WEBVTT - The Post with Lizz Winstead 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.760 On the Beck Dol Cast. The questions asked if movies 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:07.400 have women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.640 and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.920 in best start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hi, 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:17.680 welcome to the back Dol Cast. My name is Jamie 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.360 loft Is. My name is Caitlin Dronte. I'm still getting 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:22.720 used to the last name thing. We started out early 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:24.840 episodes we were saying our last names, and then we 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:27.040 dropped and we got really casual, and then I was 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:29.080 I was about to say, I've got I haven't done 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.000 this in like, I think four or five episodes. Now 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.040 I do have Mix Hard Lemonade with me today. Yes, congratulations, 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.680 thank you so much. I do think this was a 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.240 cute bit when we were recording most of the episode 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.560 that night. However, it's three pm and buying a Mike's 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.840 Hard Lemonade three pm is a bad look. People get worried. Yeah, 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.920 I panics, and I also grabbed oatmeal raising cookies to 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.360 be like no, but I also care about my health. Sure, yeah, 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:57.000 I balanced lunch, Jamie, great job. Yeah. To address the 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.360 Mike's Hard Lemonade ongoing storyline, on the back to cast. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.080 They have followed us on Twitter. Have we dem them yet? 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.240 We have not? God, I know, I guess we should 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.319 do that. Mike's Hard lemon that's a full name, right, 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:16.880 mike Age Lemonade. Yeah. Okay, so that's the state of affairs. 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:22.800 Our guest is horrified with your choices. I'm just waiting 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:26.280 to say something about your choices. You want me to. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:31.240 So I'm literally sitting only other time I've ever seen 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:36.880 anyone drink Mike's Hard Lemonade is on Dateline Predator. It's 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:41.479 literally the drink of Predator's choice every time. Every time 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.080 I used to be assessed with that show, and it 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.280 would be like the fake adult would be like, I'll 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.480 but don in a minute, and then the creepy predator 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.200 would be like, you got some Mark's Hard Lemonade. And 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.600 so I kind of feel like the crew of Dateline 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.600 Predator love Mike's Hard Lemonade. So the way that they 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.640 got it for free was to tell the person posing 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.440 as the person and it was going to be predated, 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.840 they don't have it was gonna be datelined. Um to 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.679 tell that guy that she liked Mike's Hard lemonade. He 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:10.760 gets hauled off to jail. They're like, here's our Mike's 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:15.040 Hard Lemonade. Who we are nailing it? That's super sneaky, 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.440 I love. I mean maybe that, maybe it's there's some 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.040 sort of people who love Daateline, people who love Mike's Hard. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.560 Because I love day Line and BC. I've been known 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.720 to crack a Mike's Hard and enjoy an episode. The 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:35.000 correlation is obvious. Molesters Mikes It's hard, I know. So 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.320 it's got all of the ingredients of a Dateline predator episode, 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:42.400 a dude something that's hard, and a non alcoholic beverage 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:46.400 for your underaged team. But then the hard I don't know, 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:51.480 you know what, I just ruined your sponsorship to listen 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.440 to the head that would be I would I think 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.680 it would be a wild I mean, if Mike's Hard 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.679 Lemonade WANs to clean up their image a little bit, 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:03.240 sponsor a feminist podcast, you know, that's how we do 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.519 not have an actual sponsorship. No, we've just been harassing 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:10.280 them from years. Also predators probably like you know, chocolate 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.919 and and soft pillows too. So it's not like I'm 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.120 not trying to like deem this the beverage of of 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:26.240 Roy Moore, Mike's Hard, Lemonade, and a goblet. Alright, anyway, 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.960 what's the podcast about? So we are the Bechtel Cast. 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.080 We talked about the portrayal of women in movies. We 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.520 use the Bechtel test, created by cartoonist Alison Bechtel, as 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.160 sort of a yard stick, a jumping off point. The 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:42.160 Bechtel test requires that two women in a movie have names, 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.840 they talk to each other, and their conversation has to 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.720 be about anything besides a man. Do I do a demo? 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.400 I'd love to. Oh, it's going to bring up Mike's Hard. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.200 I can't about that oatmeal cookie. The oatmeal cookie is bad. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.680 We just passed that. Yeah, perfect, Well you've already heard 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.040 her voice. But let us actually give up normal introduction 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.480 to our wonderful guest today. She is the co creator 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:08.280 of The Daily Show, Ever Heard of It? And she 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:12.800 is the founder of Lady Parts Justice Liz Winston, I 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.640 don't think. I was also the producer of Dateline Predator. 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:24.920 It was amazing. Thank you so much for being here. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.279 Thanks for having me. I'm really excited. Yeah, so you 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.040 brought us the movie The Post I did. Tell us 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.560 why you chose this movie. Well, I um, as you 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:37.799 would maybe uh guess for my CV that you just said. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.360 I'm a big political junkie and a media junkie. And 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:43.720 when I heard there was going to be a movie 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.400 about Katherine Graham's sort of taking over the post from 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.920 her husband in an era where you know, women weren't 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.440 running media anything's and women weren't really even working in 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.880 the media that much, and it was just twenty or 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.560 twenty five years that women even covered Why Shington, you know, 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.320 it was Eleanor Roosevelt who said, when I do press conferences, 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.719 I will only talk to women, which forced every single 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.159 newspaper to have to hire women reporters because they didn't 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.840 have any. And it was genius. And so I figured, yeah, 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.880 that was in like, you know, the late thirties, So 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.320 that means that this was in two I think. And 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.640 so you know, forty years of just having this woman 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.280 take over the paper. It was owned by her family, 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.600 they gave it to her husband, not her, and then 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.719 her husband does it. So and I just love news 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.600 and media and all that stuff, and I really love 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.440 Watergate and the Knicks administration and all that. So it 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.000 was exciting for me to have a story that told 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.120 of how the Pentagon Papers came to be and the 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.120 injunction with the Times, and how the Washington Post kind 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.440 of had to come back. So that's why I picked it, 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.720 because I thought it was going to be really great, 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:52.840 and I didn't find it really great. I was so 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.279 ready to enjoy this movie. It was because it has 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.480 and this will be I think this is like my 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.240 main thing with it. It's like it had as all 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:04.200 the ingredients for a great movie, but it's not. It's 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.920 extremely mediocre. It's it was really frustrating because it's like 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.720 they have this it's an amazing story. They've got the 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.520 actor that you would think, but the all star casts, 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:17.440 you've got Steven Spield this one. Yeah. I just saw 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.159 it about two hours ago, so Jamie, you had already 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.560 seen it, and I only thought today, So it's like 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.000 already switching roles. I was ready. I mean, I I love, 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.680 or I have loved like journalism movies. I think that 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.120 they can be great, very exciting, but this one wasn't. No, 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.040 and it's I was reading that they wanted to get 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.839 it out this year because of the parallels of journalism 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:43.520 and controversy and government overreach. And all of that, and 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:48.000 it was so thrown out. And I'm a historian and 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.360 so I knew who all the players were, but I 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.160 can't imagine. And I don't know if you guys are 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.400 like news nerds or anything, but like they didn't really 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:01.279 tell me enough about who Daniel Ellsberg was is a 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:05.480 backstory what the Rand Corporation is as a backstory. Um, 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.800 the first time you meet Ben Bradley, you don't even know, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.680 you know, the guy named Ben, you don't know like 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.400 that he is, you know, running the Washington Post. So 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.840 it was all and even Robert McNamara they kept calling 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:20.280 him Mr. Secretary in this opening scene that introduces his 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:24.680 role as the Department of Defense secretary who crafted this 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.880 incredible dossier that we now know as the Pentagon Papers 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.000 that showed that we knew we were losing the war 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.080 and we sent men anyway, and and then our government 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.400 covered it up. But like, you don't learn that he's mcnamarital. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.440 And so it's to me, I felt like you need 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.680 to give people a context. You know, when All the 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.680 President's Men was made, it was made just under two 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.400 years after Watergate happened, So everybody had the information and 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.720 they knew this is forty five years later cut us 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.400 a break on the story. And then when I saw 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.920 David Cross is in it and Bob Owner Kerk. The 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:57.840 first time I watched it, I thought that they were 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:03.240 um Woodward and Bernstein. They're not. They're absolutely that, you know. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:04.400 I was like, I thought they were going to be 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:10.120 Woodward and Burnt. Yeah, why would David Cross and Kirk 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.080 not play wood And I was like that's a failing. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:17.040 I'm yeah, yeah, this was tricky. It was like because 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.200 I I am like aware of everything that happened and 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.440 and know all the the main you know players, but 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.160 it was confusing with the way the movie treats a 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.520 lot of the characters like it does. Assume that you're 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.440 going to make a lot of connections that there's no 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:35.280 reason that you would unlece you knew everything where yeah, 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.199 like that that's the secretary connection took me, I think 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.600 until almost halfway in the movie like, oh that's where 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.959 they're talking. That makes way more sense. Where like that 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.600 sometimes they're using like Mr. So and so, sometimes they're 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.760 using their titles, sometimes they're just using their first name, 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.199 and there's never any connection. And I'm not surprised to 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.560 hear that. There was like a timeliness thing to it 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.200 because that that felt like a little like we're being 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.400 kind of hit over the head with it too. Where 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.160 there were like two scenes I wrote done like Tom 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.640 Hanks may as well break the fourth wall and look 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.840 to camera and like wink of like hear that. Mr 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.160 PRESI like, it's just like it was at getting his 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.280 accent a lot, yes, being like I'm sorry, who are 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.120 you right now? What accent was he meant to be doing? Hey, 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.040 I don't know it sounded but sometimes and other times 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.600 I'm just like what is happening? Also, the protest scenes 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.160 were so cheeseblly, so it looked like they gave every 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.600 extra sharpie and said write something that sounds like it 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.520 was back then. I mean there was so many fringe 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.280 vests and so many dudes of like long hair singing 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.960 like everybody played the guitar. It was like there was 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.000 four people in a pod playing guitar and singing a 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.720 pizze song and other people have like moltough cocktails. It 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.720 was like, is all of the everything that happened happening 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.920 at once? It was so there's a lot of like 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.600 Uncanny Valley qualities to this movie. I'm just like, what 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.200 is it like this? This era had been described to 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.959 the set dresser but not actually heard that Meryl Street 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:07.120 just kept sleeping in her own in her own paper, 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.880 like she had a notebook, and she every scene of 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:13.240 her was like waking her up from the narcolepsy moments 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.280 that she was having. And I keep calling her Mery 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:21.760 from Catherine Graham, the ke I know her as Meryl Street. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.840 Listener's of the pulp fiction episode might recall that, according 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.440 to me, her name is Meryl Street anyway. And the 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.240 other the other part that I thought was so lame 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.720 is whenever they would cut to the Nixon lookalike on 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.560 my phone, Like you see him through like a window 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:40.560 of the White House and he's like talking on the phone. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.920 He's like making these insane hand gestures, not a particularly 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.800 good impression. No, and just like not shot. Well, Like 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:48.760 I was just like, what is this? I don't know. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.679 So I I've taken history classes, I've learned about the 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.440 Vietnam War. I read a whole book about it, and 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.880 somehow I don't remember a single thing about it. I 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:04.520 know almost anything about the historical events that were depicted 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.160 in this movie. For some reason, American history goes in 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.679 one year not the other. I just cannot absorb it 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:15.400 or remember. That's helpful because it's because this movie must 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.320 have been truly insane to watch. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.080 not not really not knowing any of the major players 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.199 of this story, not remembering or knowing much about it 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.560 to begin with. I would say I was watching the 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.560 movie for about forty five minutes until I even understood 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.680 what was happening. Well, it's true, and that's the part 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.600 that and for somebody who does understand it, all I 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.840 kept doing was getting more frustrated that they weren't filling 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.440 other people in what was happening. And for me, like 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.839 I got so I'm old as fun. So I when 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.280 Watergate was happening, I was around eleven or twelve or 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.800 I don't know. I was like, yeah, but I got 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.760 like preteen chicken pox one summer, so I couldn't go out, 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.520 and I watched the Watergate hearings every day, Like I 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.800 was like a crazy looning kid who watched the Watergate 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.240 hearings every day, and I was sort of fascinated by it. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.400 So I loved it, and I was kind of like 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.800 I don't know what a nerd, So this life changing 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.440 chicken pox it was, you know. And so I was 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.600 like this eleven year o kid talking about Sam Irvin 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.880 and John Dene and like I kind of knew what 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.280 was happening, and then I would ask my dad to 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:19.559 kind of fill me in. And then I realized my 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.600 dad was like a total right wing kook, and so 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.640 um that was problematic. And so I had a whole 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.280 bunch of older siblings who were like protesting the war, 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.760 and our dinner was always like a ship show of 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.240 screaming at each other. So I wanted to see this 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.040 part of because we always heard about the New York 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.520 Times and then we saw the Presents Man, and I 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.640 just wanted to hear this like take on what happens 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.960 when a woman takes over a paper. And all I 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.520 did was see somebody going, have me check to Bob? 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:48.920 What is Bob? Bob, Bob, are you on the phone? 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.560 Where big glasses? That this guy I don't know? And 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:57.480 it was like, what the well, Meryl is meryling out. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:04.840 It's just like Beryl Street, what was happening? She's like 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.880 she's doing like I was. Because I went back and 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.360 watched interviews with Katherine Grandma, was like, why did she 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.600 make these choices that she made? It didn't make like 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.440 she was doing sort of her Julia Child voice, but 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.559 like if Julia Child was very tired, Katherine Grandma was 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:29.000 asking God blesses. There's a few different times where she 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:41.280 went ben characters. The was also that was also problems 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:46.560 too many bends. I would argue that in a cast 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.080 a pretty amazing cast, almost Noah does a good job, 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:53.520 Like it's it's it's kind of amazing, how how bad 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.600 everybody does. Steven Spielberg, I would say, did a pretty 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:01.200 horrendous bang up job totally. It just really bothered me 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.760 of like even in the first scene where it's like, okay, 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:05.840 we start with the flashback and then we go to 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.840 um the story being put together, and it's all this 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:14.080 it's all like swelling music, cross fading in of headlines, 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:18.000 spoken exposition. It's like, there has to be a more 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.840 could this scene be faster? Why is this scene slow? 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.800 It's the most important part. It just was driving reenactment. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.920 I'm gonna say a line and you guys are gonna 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.440 repeat what the next line is? Okay, I have a 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:35.880 little kid you want some lemonade? What do they like? No? 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:43.720 How much is it? No? No? Is there von? Okay? 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.920 I'm disappointed in the both of you. We're not like 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:52.400 taken by the I have a question, was one of 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:56.440 the female lines, does that counts? The child selling lemonade 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:00.240 says yeah, is there vodka? Well it is too woman 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:04.040 talking about so we find out what the kid's name is. 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.200 I think we do, right, No, that was like I 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:08.840 feel like there's a lot of female characters in this 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.640 movie whose names we do not know. Also, speaking of 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.840 it was confusing. You are drinking lemonade with basically vodka 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.640 in it. You know, who knows what's indence camp could 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.880 be anything, could be anything taking years off my life, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.400 But I'm not sure what was in it exactly. Couldn't 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.600 tell you no, no, no. In the theater, I saw 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.160 this movie for the first time last week, and so 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.400 we've all seen it in theaters, right, yes, okay and 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.400 my theater. Every time the Nixon impersonator was on screen 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.640 and the movie closes with him too, there was audible laughing. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.480 There was like what the funk is this like when 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.240 it closed on him, being like, I forget where Like 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.560 the closing line, but he's just like, hopefully nothing else 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.120 bad will happen, and then his little cheek noise like whatever, 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:55.960 his jowls are clattering together like symbols, and everyone was 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.160 like cackling. And then it was like, oh, the movie 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:02.520 is over. What great They could have literally cast a 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:07.640 great Dane to play Nixon and that's how bad so 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:12.320 and it was shot so lame. It was just like 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.120 and like another part where there was audible laughter in 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.640 the theater was when they cut to the picture of 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.880 Tom Hanks and his wife and the Kennedy's and it 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.760 was a really bad photoshop that frame photo. Everyone was like, 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:30.840 what the fuck is this? This is so stupid. Also, 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.240 it was for me, I guess you know, this is 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.360 like a marginal detailed drue me in saying. But Ben 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:40.320 Bradley was married three times and this was his second wife. 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:45.240 Amazing waste of Sarah Paulson in a roll, and so 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:49.960 it was like his last wife. Sally Quinn also wrote 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.000 for The Washington Post, and so if you didn't know 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.240 the history, but you maybe knew about her because the 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.000 cool thing about Sally Quinn and Ben Bradley is that 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:02.520 they bought the Gray Gardens House from Crazy Little from 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.200 the Beals and they redid the whole thing. Oh, I'm 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:14.160 a treasure trove useless bullshit. That's good, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.199 So I was like, that's not Sally Quinn. That's got 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:21.640 to be her name was like and Twinette. I think, 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.760 I literally think her name is an. She was like 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.879 teen you know, that's like going like some doing some 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.320 deep cuts. Oh, so I guess we're gonna do the 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:36.040 research and find out her nickname was teen I. And 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.679 then she's really only and I mean she appears in 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:42.359 it several times, but usually she's serving food. She's uh, 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.080 you know, facilitating whatever. And then she's in that one 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:50.359 near the climax of the movie we want some Sandwiches? Yeah, yeah, 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.480 do you want some sandwiches scene, which is all of 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.680 her scenes. Uh, and then the scene where she explains 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.600 to Tom Hanks actually being a woman hard sometimes and 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:04.639 he goes, oh, never thought about it. Also, her sister 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.560 was having an affair with JFK and so Ben Bradley 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.360 used to be really good friends with James Jesus Engleton, 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:13.959 who was the head of the CIA then, and they 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.560 did a whole giant investigation because the CIA was trying 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.960 to do all of this crazy much more interesting story 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.680 is this crazy covert operation where the CIA was trying 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.160 to manipulate and control what the media was reporting. So 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.959 they were really good friends. And then when it was 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.399 revealed that his sister in law was having an affair 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.560 with JFK, they had like a big breakup around all 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.320 of it, Like there's a lot of palace intrigue around 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:44.359 the CIA and Ben Bradley and the Kennedy administration, so 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.880 many interesting things that would have made the movie more fun. Time. 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.680 Ben Bradley's Wives would have been a better movie. They 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.160 cover those three wives and they met in Paris. It's 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:57.639 like a whole thing, like there's some good ship, but 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.720 we got the garbage heap. Tom Hank, I mean, and 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:02.680 and maybe there are exceptions to this role that I'm 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.680 not thinking of, but Tom Hanks has like pretty exceptionally 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:09.480 bad taste in like period movies, because he's in one 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.040 of my least favorite movies of all time, Charlie Wilson's War, 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.000 a movie that is ten years old and yet is 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.479 like how did this movie come out? And people were 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.919 like it's so cute? How this like political effict role 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.320 is harassing women for three hours. It was God, But wait, 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:27.400 can I just talk about one more thing about the movie? That? Okay, 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:33.320 So when Bob and Kirk's character Ben goes to me 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.280 Daniel Ellsberg, and it goes to hotel room and there's 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.840 literally thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of stacks 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.760 of paper everywhere, and then he compiles it into two 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.080 file boxes and brings it on the plane. And I 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:55.760 was a trailer moment to deliver that trailer moment. Okay, 0:19:55.760 --> 0:20:02.520 trailer guy, easy job for you. We're all laughing. And 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.920 also there's so much weird bumbling for no reason, like 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.960 Ben has to make a phone call every time. He's 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.280 like he drops his notebook and reporters are falling, and 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.320 I was like, why is he bumbling? I do not 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.680 have to do it? Is that a choice? I wrote 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:20.400 that done? Because every time he's had a pay phone, 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.280 which is like three or four times, there's some sort 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.399 of fit there like let's let out and kirtius and 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.879 physical improv like not, why that's not what this movie is? 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:31.760 What do you builds the tension of the scene. One 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.680 of my got in a movie full of my least 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.600 favorite scenes. At some point Jesse, Clemens and Zach would 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.400 show up and it's like are they would word in Bernstein, 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.800 No they're not. But there's that scene at the end, 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.280 and this is like another time where I don't know why, 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.440 but in so many recent episodes, like the way music 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.080 is used in movies has really been like bugging me, 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.800 and it's so it's just lazy in this where it's 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.120 just like, yeah, let's just throw in some swelling strings 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.840 and hopefully people won't notice, you know. But there's like 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:02.480 the scene at the end where a woman in the 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.040 office is getting a call and she's like, oh my gosh, 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:08.040 it's so and so and the ruling is in and 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:11.479 they say that journalism is good and journalists are good, 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:13.800 and then like the music is like do do do 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.080 do do do? I was like, funk this, what do 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.440 you How dumb do you think we are? Exactly not 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.159 to mention like the way that all went down, I 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:25.320 can't imagine that's how it goes down. For a screamed 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:31.399 line of exposition, journalism wins. It's like and it's like 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:35.040 just make eye contact with the camera, like that's oh boy, 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.720 right now? Should I even attempt to recap. I don't 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:41.440 know if I'm gonna yeah, well, well we can help 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.240 fill in the gaps. This is a tricky this is 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:48.320 a hard movie to recap. Trure is So it's nineteen swo. 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:51.280 We're in the middle of the Vietnam War. Nixon, President, 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:57.119 k Graham, the publisher, I guess the Catherine again, I 0:21:57.119 --> 0:21:58.560 don't even know what The first forty five minutes of 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.959 the movie are like. Oh, opens with this scene in 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:05.680 the Vietnam War where this journalist he's like observing, he's 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:09.000 checking things out, and then he reports back to Bob 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.919 McNamara and he's like, actually, things in the war aren't 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:15.280 really good, and they're like, well, we can't tell anyone this. 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:19.080 We have to lie. So it becomes this like huge 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:23.480 study that becomes these talk secret documents, and then Daniel 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:27.200 Ellsberg is like, why shouldn't I should steal and link them? 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.520