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Speaker 1: On the Beck Dol Cast. The questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: have women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends

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Speaker 1: and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef

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Speaker 1: in best start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hi,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the back Dol Cast. My name is Jamie

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Speaker 1: loft Is. My name is Caitlin Dronte. I'm still getting

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Speaker 1: used to the last name thing. We started out early

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Speaker 1: episodes we were saying our last names, and then we

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, I've got I haven't done

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Speaker 1: this in like, I think four or five episodes. Now

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Speaker 1: I do have Mix Hard Lemonade with me today. Yes, congratulations,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. I do think this was a

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Speaker 1: cute bit when we were recording most of the episode

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Speaker 1: that night. However, it's three pm and buying a Mike's

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Speaker 1: Hard Lemonade three pm is a bad look. People get worried. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I panics, and I also grabbed oatmeal raising cookies to

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Speaker 1: be like no, but I also care about my health. Sure, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I balanced lunch, Jamie, great job. Yeah. To address the

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Speaker 1: Mike's Hard Lemonade ongoing storyline, on the back to cast.

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Speaker 1: They have followed us on Twitter. Have we dem them yet?

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Speaker 1: We have not? God, I know, I guess we should

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Speaker 1: do that. Mike's Hard lemon that's a full name, right,

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Speaker 1: mike Age Lemonade. Yeah. Okay, so that's the state of affairs.

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Speaker 1: Our guest is horrified with your choices. I'm just waiting

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Speaker 1: to say something about your choices. You want me to.

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Speaker 1: So I'm literally sitting only other time I've ever seen

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Speaker 1: anyone drink Mike's Hard Lemonade is on Dateline Predator. It's

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Speaker 1: literally the drink of Predator's choice every time. Every time

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Speaker 1: I used to be assessed with that show, and it

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Speaker 1: would be like the fake adult would be like, I'll

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Speaker 1: but don in a minute, and then the creepy predator

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Speaker 1: would be like, you got some Mark's Hard Lemonade. And

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Speaker 1: so I kind of feel like the crew of Dateline

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Speaker 1: Predator love Mike's Hard Lemonade. So the way that they

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Speaker 1: got it for free was to tell the person posing

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Speaker 1: as the person and it was going to be predated,

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Speaker 1: they don't have it was gonna be datelined. Um to

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Speaker 1: tell that guy that she liked Mike's Hard lemonade. He

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Speaker 1: gets hauled off to jail. They're like, here's our Mike's

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Speaker 1: Hard Lemonade. Who we are nailing it? That's super sneaky,

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Speaker 1: I love. I mean maybe that, maybe it's there's some

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Speaker 1: sort of people who love Daateline, people who love Mike's Hard.

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Speaker 1: Because I love day Line and BC. I've been known

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Speaker 1: to crack a Mike's Hard and enjoy an episode. The

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Speaker 1: correlation is obvious. Molesters Mikes It's hard, I know. So

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Speaker 1: it's got all of the ingredients of a Dateline predator episode,

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Speaker 1: a dude something that's hard, and a non alcoholic beverage

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Speaker 1: for your underaged team. But then the hard I don't know,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I just ruined your sponsorship to listen

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Speaker 1: to the head that would be I would I think

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Speaker 1: it would be a wild I mean, if Mike's Hard

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Speaker 1: Lemonade WANs to clean up their image a little bit,

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Speaker 1: sponsor a feminist podcast, you know, that's how we do

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Speaker 1: not have an actual sponsorship. No, we've just been harassing

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Speaker 1: them from years. Also predators probably like you know, chocolate

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Speaker 1: and and soft pillows too. So it's not like I'm

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Speaker 1: not trying to like deem this the beverage of of

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Speaker 1: Roy Moore, Mike's Hard, Lemonade, and a goblet. Alright, anyway,

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Speaker 1: what's the podcast about? So we are the Bechtel Cast.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the portrayal of women in movies. We

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Speaker 1: use the Bechtel test, created by cartoonist Alison Bechtel, as

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Speaker 1: Bechtel test requires that two women in a movie have names,

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Speaker 1: they talk to each other, and their conversation has to

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Speaker 1: be about anything besides a man. Do I do a demo?

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Speaker 1: I'd love to. Oh, it's going to bring up Mike's Hard.

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Speaker 1: I can't about that oatmeal cookie. The oatmeal cookie is bad.

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Speaker 1: We just passed that. Yeah, perfect, Well you've already heard

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Speaker 1: to our wonderful guest today. She is the co creator

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Speaker 1: of The Daily Show, Ever Heard of It? And she

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Speaker 1: is the founder of Lady Parts Justice Liz Winston, I

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Speaker 1: don't think. I was also the producer of Dateline Predator.

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Speaker 1: It was amazing. Thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I'm really excited. Yeah, so you

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Speaker 1: why you chose this movie. Well, I um, as you

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Speaker 1: we publish these like it's our journalistic responsibility to let

425
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Speaker 1: the American public know that the Vietnam War is actually

426
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Speaker 1: not good, and that the government knew that we couldn't

427
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: win it from the very beginning, but we still keep

428
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Speaker 1: sending soldiers over there to die in this war. And

429
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: then but then they're like, oh, but what will it

430
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: do to our newspaper? It might you know, will collapse

431
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: and all this because of the injunction. So they were

432
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: trying to decide whether or not they would be shut

433
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Speaker 1: down because of whether or not the Supreme Court would

434
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: rule that it was illegal. Do you know, I did

435
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: not check this, but was like the timeline of like

436
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: because the timing of this. Part of the reason that

437
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: she that k is like, I don't know if we

438
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: should lead the papers is because there's some sort of

439
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: like week long thing when they were going public. So

440
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: what happens is the newspaper was was a family owned paper,

441
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: and they were hemorrhaging money and they were in debt.

442
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: So what they were going to do is go public,

443
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: so people go by shares in the newspaper could stay afloat.

444
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: There's a window of time when you go public and

445
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: you have shareholders, there's a window of time where if

446
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: you do something that is highly illegal or unethical, the

447
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: deal can fall through and the shareholders can back out

448
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: of the deal. So that window of time when they

449
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: were deciding whether or not they were going to defy

450
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: what could possibly be a Supreme Court ruling that said

451
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: freedom of the press does not mean that you can

452
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: take government acquired whistleblowing papers and expose them to the public.

453
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: And the Supreme Court ruled that it is in the

454
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: public's good to know that this is happening in the

455
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: in their name. But this was the timeline where this

456
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: was happening during that window where they so after a

457
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: lot of like kathin Kay being like should I publish

458
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: or should we not publish the story? What do we do?

459
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: She finally decides to go ahead and run the story,

460
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: publish and then I'm going to bed. She's sleeping for

461
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: a lot of yess right, She's slow, tired, she's exhausted.

462
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: And so they're like, oh no, what's this going to

463
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: do Because there's another like extra obstacle at the last

464
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: minute where the lawyers were like, oh wait, your source

465
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: was the same source as the New York Times, and

466
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: that could really like you could go to prison for that.

467
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: Like the steaks were very high. Catherine's like fuck it

468
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: published the damn paper and they do and everyone's like,

469
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: oh my god. And then all the other papers follow

470
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: suit and they're like, wait, we saved the world. And

471
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: then there's a forty five minutes sequence of Steven Spielberg

472
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: filming newspaper presses, which I actually kind of liked. That

473
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: was the most visually interesting part of the movie, because

474
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: the rest of it's just toss yeah like that. It

475
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: takes like there's a million I can give you a

476
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: million papers where they spin around. It's the headline, like

477
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: that visual effect that it is not insufferable time you'll

478
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: never get back. It's just like, can we reallocate the

479
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: time spent looking at newspaper presses explaining what's happening in

480
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: the fucking movie? Because actually newspapers that aren't yours and

481
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: we just keep reading the New York too. It was

482
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: smiled the majority of revelations come from the New York Times,

483
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: which is because it's eventually the Washington Post does get

484
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: a story, but that is not really focused on what

485
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: that actually happened. I don't I don't know, I don't know.

486
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what is happening in this movie? Uh?

487
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: Is that everything? Though? I mean the Supreme Court rules

488
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: that created the press. Yeah, and then could we have

489
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: seen that instead of hearing someone screaming on to the

490
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: office on a phone. Yeah, that would have probably been

491
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: more appropriate. And then the movie ends with the like

492
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: Watergate scandal robbery thing happening, like, oh wow, is gonna

493
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: not be the president anymore? Yeah, that's why. That's what

494
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: I realized. It wasn't would Ward and Bernstein because they

495
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: have heard yet. It's like, oh, right, they're breaking into

496
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrists office, is what they did. Yeah, that

497
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: craziness so right, it was. I mean, it was such

498
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: a cheeseball ending to the movie, like yeah, audible laughter,

499
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: you literally don't mean you don't. Yeah, listen, I know

500
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: we've been talking about it for a while now, but

501
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: skip the post. I've got to see its sanator early

502
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: in the podcast there. Well, well, let day with us, though,

503
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: keep listening because we haven't even told you if it

504
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: makes the grade, yeah, it's true. I mean, let's get

505
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 1: into the female characters discussion, because oh boy, I mean

506
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: boy so much. It's all just missed opportunity after a

507
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: missed opportunity, right, I feel like until the third act

508
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: Katherine Graham is not very much an active character in

509
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: this story. She's not really doing any I mean, she's

510
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: making decisions, but we don't actually see her doing much

511
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: like she's not I mean, I guess, and that's like

512
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily her role as the publisher to be like

513
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: like in the middle of the excitement and like reporting

514
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: on stuff. But well, partly part of what bothered me

515
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: from like very early in the movie is that I

516
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: don't even know if, like the way the movie portrays

517
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: her and kind of a little bit the way Meryl

518
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: Street plays her, it's not super clear to me that

519
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: she's extremely competent at her job, which in real life

520
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 1: she was, And so it was like weird where they

521
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: were just like, well, we don't know if she's able

522
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: to do the job, and I'm like, I don't know

523
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: if I'm I'm sure she's able to do the job

524
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: because she's always just waking up and being liked. But

525
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: but I feel too, it's like this was her family's business, right,

526
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: So you were the newspaper of record through monumental things.

527
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: You grew up in a newspaper family. Do you have

528
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: passion about information? Do you do you have passion about

529
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: freedom of the press, caring about what the public thinks,

530
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: or was your family just like these rich publishing people

531
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: who were hob nobbing around with lb J and all

532
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: the way that they sort of dropped that stuff about

533
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: she and her husband, but forget about the husband. Her

534
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: dad owned the paper, So I was like, do you

535
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: care about this ship? It's not clear. I mean, I

536
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: feel like she is far more like her motivation in

537
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: regards to working for the paper, like her character always

538
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: connects it back to like I want to make my

539
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: dead husband and father proud, Like it never really has

540
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: to do with like journalistic integrity or or breaking stories,

541
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: and and and I haven't done a deep dive on

542
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: kay Graham, and I don't know what her actual you know,

543
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: like interviews. She loved it, I mean, yeah, it was.

544
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: This movie is weird because it made me like her,

545
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: Like I had more like excitement and respect for her

546
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: as like a historical character before I went into the

547
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: movie than when I left. Because the way the movie

548
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: portrays it, it's weird. And there's that scene with her

549
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: and her daughter towards the end of the movie where

550
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like ka, like the movie sells

551
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: out the character entire really in like one of the

552
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: last scenes where she's just like, you know, she's saying

553
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: like it was very stressful, and but she's only talking

554
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 1: about I want to make my dad proud. I want

555
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: to make my husband proud. I wanted, and just going

556
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: on and on and to the point where she's saying, oh,

557
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: and when my father wanted to give the paper to

558
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: my husband and not me, I thought that made total sense.

559
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: I was like, what is She also says something weird,

560
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: like people always say that whenever they see a woman

561
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: doing something. I forget what verb she was, but it

562
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: was like, when a woman does this thing, it's like

563
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: seeing a dog walk on its hind legs. It's bad

564
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: and it's weird, and like dog shaming. Don't shame a dog. Well,

565
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 1: And also it was like when they were going public,

566
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: they were saying, oh, you know, maybe you could try

567
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: to think about expanding and becoming more than just like

568
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: a local paper and the Washington And she was like,

569
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, I kind of just want to reach

570
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: for the top shelf. I'm not really reaching for the

571
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: moon of the stars. I know, I just want to

572
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: keep it going and pay people and and even the

573
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: opening scene was just like she was all consumed with

574
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: making sure that the paper was covering Richard Nixon's daughter's wedding.

575
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: That was the hill she was ready to die on

576
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: for some reasons. Die on that hill, girl. Well. Another

577
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: early scene is when I don't know the guy's name,

578
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: but she was kind of being coached by this guy

579
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: of what to say whenever they go into this big

580
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: board meeting about when they're discussing like what the stock

581
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: prices are going to be, breading it down as like

582
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep's friend. Yeah, I mean he worked for the paper,

583
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: but I don't know what his name is or what

584
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: his role is. Maybe now Bradley Witt for the actor,

585
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: isn't the older guy? Yeah? Maybe? And every role he's

586
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: in recently, I'm just like, wow, that wasn't because he's

587
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: in't get Out too, And I'm like, he was in

588
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: West Wing, Yes, he was in west Wing. West Wing. Yeah,

589
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: that was a west Wing guy, wasn't. Oh my god,

590
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't the west Wing guy. So so him, he's

591
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: like coaching Katherine Graham on like what to say, and

592
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: she seems flustered and she's like, I feel like I

593
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: don't know this stuff, and then you see a scene where,

594
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: like immediately following that, she's in the board meeting. She's

595
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: the one woman out of like twenty other men and

596
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: they're all talking about, oh, I thought the shares were

597
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: going to be sear And there's like an opportunity for

598
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: her to reveal the knowledge that she was practicing with

599
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: this guy, and she's going to say, well, you know,

600
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: quality drives profitability, and then she totally chokes and then

601
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: her friend See, I actually kind of liked that scene

602
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: if it were paid off on in any way later on,

603
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: But it's not like if she would like gets a

604
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: chance to redeem herself. Maybe is that what you mean?

605
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: Because I feel like the way that that scene plays out,

606
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: like we as an audience know, it's like what I

607
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: missed chance? And you know, she has in this huge

608
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 1: room full of men who don't want to listen to her.

609
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: But then the movie kind of, I mean, like sputters

610
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: out in terms of keeping that going, in terms of

611
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: like developing her as someone who you want to see succeeds. Like,

612
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was hoping that that would come.

613
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: I was hoping we would see her in a meeting

614
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: later where she would, you know, have one of those

615
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: movie moments of like, actually I have something to say,

616
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: and but you know that never happened. We do, well,

617
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: we do. I mean she does and kind of redeem

618
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: herself by the end when she's like, I know the steaks.

619
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: I know I might go to jail over this. I

620
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: know that the paper might totally fail, but I say

621
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: publish anyway, and we're like going to bed. But that

622
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: character arc, we don't see the actual arc happen. Like

623
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: it's just she like flubs up at the beginning and

624
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: then we don't, like you said, yeah, we don't really

625
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: see her character grow and develop and build over the

626
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: course of the story that leads to that point where

627
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: she like suddenly has strong decision making skills. She has

628
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: a few moments that I'm like, you know, there was

629
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: like there's one scene she had with Tom Hanks been

630
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: uh where they're sort of challenging each other on uh

631
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and and like the way that Tom Hanks

632
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: character treats Meryl Street is you know, a ma of

633
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: respect and condescension. But I mean there are scenes where

634
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: they're challenging each other and it is like a lively discussion.

635
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: We have no idea. If you don't know the exact

636
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: particulars of the history, you have no idea what the

637
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: funk they're talking about. But they're challenging each other, and

638
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: so she has these few moments of like, oh, she

639
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: does know things, we just don't see her demonstrate knowing

640
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: things in the way she does her job. So also,

641
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: there was a scene, and I'm sure that it was

642
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: put out there for discussion, but it was just angering

643
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: where there's a dinner party and then somebody starts to

644
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: talk about some kind of smart thing, and then a

645
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: woman says, well, that's time for us to move, and

646
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: all the women and Katherine Graham go into one room

647
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: and talk about outfits or some ship, but the men

648
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: talking about politics. Yeah. Yeah, that scene was fucking infuriating,

649
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: And to keep our discussion about Titanic always going from

650
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: I was thinking this far more effectively done in Titanic.

651
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: But there, I mean, but this is sort of you know,

652
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: the women go to one room, the men staying in

653
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: the room and smoke cigars, and you know, what's the

654
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: line politics? Wouldn't it just do anyway? Exactly? The famous

655
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: Billy Zane performance Shout out Billy Zane every day always.

656
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: But the way this knows that to Jack, he's like,

657
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: you're too poor to know about feminist ion. Jack Dawson's like,

658
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm going with the ladies, see you later. I just

659
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: want to watch Titanic again. Um. But in the post,

660
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: the way that rolls out, it challenges nothing. They're like, oh, yeah,

661
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: the women are not going to talk about anything but clothes.

662
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: We don't know what any of their names are. And

663
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: one literally goes like, kay, that that dreadful day job

664
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: of yours, and are you fucking Katie? They are you know,

665
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: according to the post, women are that dumb? I mean, honestly,

666
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: it was just an endless and it felt like they

667
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: were wedging things in to remind people how sexist things

668
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: were by like ship like that, where it's like I

669
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: get that. You can't show me into posortable ways, any

670
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: redemption at all, you know. Even her decision to change

671
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: the course of journalistic history was like are you there?

672
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: Are you on the line? Are you on the line?

673
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 1: It's everybody on the line of the Russians on the line.

674
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: So many climactic scenes in this movie take place over

675
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: the phone. It's very frustrating. I'm like what's actually happening,

676
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: also to the point of like all the women talking

677
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: about like oh, gowns and whatnot. There's a scene at

678
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: the end after like after the climax, and they're like, wow,

679
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: we won. Journalism saves the day. And there's a group

680
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: of people gathered around a woman's desk in the newsroom

681
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: and she says something like no more articles about dresses

682
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: or shoes, and but it's just like a throw white

683
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: line that like you probably it's just like, oh, subtle,

684
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: great job. But there's also that scene where she goes

685
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: and challenges Robert McNamara and she's just like, how could

686
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: you do this? Like you knew all this stuff, you

687
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: kept it secret, and Bob, could you do my dirty

688
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: Bob so my son, my nephew, Bob. I think I

689
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: might take back what I said about like not really

690
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: seeing her arc because you do see those times where

691
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: she does go and like challenge people, and she seems

692
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: like she's getting more confident in her abilities and decision

693
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: making and whatnot. And I also think it's cool that

694
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: you do see kind of the stakes of the country

695
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: and different parts of the globe kind of resting on

696
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: her shoulders in terms of like do we leak this information?

697
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: Do we let the public know about this like very

698
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: important thing that was happening at the time. I like

699
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: that you get to see a woman in that position

700
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: where she's making such a crucial decision. Was it told

701
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: interestingly in this movie? I felt like this movie was

702
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: not interesting, which is crazy given the story it's telling.

703
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: But I also feel like it just like does a

704
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: huge injustice to the story and its characters. Like it

705
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: just if I knew nothing about depending on Papers or

706
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: any of that going into this movie, I'd be like, oh,

707
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: so this was kind of a drag kind of thing that,

708
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: which is crazy because there's there's so much and they

709
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: just do nothing like they're One of my main things

710
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: with this movie was like I feel like this exact

711
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: movie in every single way could have been made fifteen

712
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: years ago. Like it just feels like it could have

713
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: come out at any time, Like there's no especially because

714
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, it's a timely movie. It's a timely story.

715
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: If you told me this movie came out in two

716
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: thousand and two, I would believe you because of how

717
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: he treats his characters and how it treats the source

718
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: material it could have come out fucking whenever well, and

719
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: also likes somebody who created a TV show that wanted

720
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: to ship all over the nepotism in the media, which

721
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: is how the Daily Show came to be. It's driving

722
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: force was observing the media and watching, you know, all

723
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: these shows the storylines for me. I literally when Catherine

724
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: Graham is challenged by Ben Bradley, the editor of the paper,

725
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: and he says, wait, Robert McNamara has literally written this

726
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: massive dossier that shows there's election near fraud. We've covered

727
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: up the war where we send people to die knowing

728
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: we were losing. And she goes, oh, do we have

729
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: He said, haven't kind of a bad time lately, you know,

730
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: And it's like so it's like that is the point.

731
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: You know, even the journalism that's supposed to be the

732
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: best journalism we have in this country is so full

733
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: of bullshit. And Tom Hanks started touches on it by

734
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: like everybody wants to go to the same parties with

735
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: this one and that one, and and those stories of

736
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: like of how those things intersect and how people finally

737
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: do the right thing, Like I think that's really important.

738
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: And so it was like a ship bath up until

739
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: she finally pulls the trigger. But like, how much do

740
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: you have to be convinced when there's thousands and thousands

741
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: and thousands of paper and thousands and thousands and thousands

742
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: of dead people and young people and and you're like, oh,

743
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: my friends, I don't know. It's got you know, restless

744
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: leg syndrome and it's just trying to make it work.

745
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: And life and him had a fight, Yeah, a hard time.

746
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: It's so yeah, I mean all of it was just

747
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: sad by and large Yeah, I feel like Kay's character

748
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: is under service and kind of largely just like unexamined

749
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: as a person. It just kind of all over. She

750
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: doesn't get that much screen I mean, this is an

751
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: ensemble cast. I don't really know if we're supposed to

752
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: identify any one character as the protagonist of the movie,

753
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: because it seems like it's her and Tom Hanks's character,

754
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: but she doesn't get that much screen time. Okay, if

755
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: they were doing a movie called the Begdell Cast and

756
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: you were hardly in it, right, that would be weird,

757
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: and they made one of us significantly dumber than we

758
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: were in real life, that would be Yeah. Like it's

759
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: like it's called a post, right, And I don't know.

760
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: I just kind of feel like, I mean, I know that,

761
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: like there's not like two und of people that work

762
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: out your podcast, so I know that's different. How dare

763
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: you that we feel your strength? She's so clearly amazing,

764
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Um that you don't need to hundred people. That's right,

765
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That would be funny if there

766
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: was a betel Cast movie and I was in it

767
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: for three minutes and I was only drooling. I feel

768
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: like all you did was strength. I'm just like, um,

769
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Where are we haming? And my

770
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: name was Bob but all but a stripe? Who else

771
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: do we have for female characters? We have Judith, who

772
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: is the She was the person who was maybe going

773
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: to report on the wedding because they were like, you're

774
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: not allowed, right. She said that Tricia Nixon looked like

775
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: it looks like trash. She said, she looked like a

776
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: vanilla scarpe coat. Sick for DELI get that money, vanilla,

777
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: I screen cop. Oh my god, you're fired. That's too

778
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: sick of burn she is, So she is in it.

779
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: There's another woman who appears to be a journalist or

780
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: reporter of some cod She's the one who at the

781
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: end was on the phone and kind of like dictating

782
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: what the journalist or Tom Hanks's secretary. Oh yeah, I was.

783
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm clear about her role. Yeah, there was the daughter,

784
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: the daughter who did we have a name? I don't

785
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: know if we learned her name. I was struggling with that.

786
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: I was like, did I miss it? Did I miss it?

787
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: Because those were the scenes that I thought like, well

788
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: this and it sucks because there's two extended scenes with

789
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: k Graham and her daughter, and there are some exchanges

790
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: that you're like, this could maybe pass the Backeal test.

791
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure what her name is. I don't think.

792
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean, from what I could tell, you don't learn

793
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: what we know her Her maiden name is probably miss Graham,

794
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: but we don't. I'm like, I don't think we learned

795
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: her name. And the little daughter's name, did we learned

796
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 1: her name? I don't think. I don't think so. Also,

797
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: it would be hilarious if this movie passed the back

798
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: to test strictly on that lemonade standing direction. I think

799
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: it might name vodka, Yeah, vodka. And Catherine also has

800
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: an assistant or secretary. She's walking up the steps and

801
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: that's I don't know if we know her name either. No,

802
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: she was like you have to be at this place

803
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: at five, Yeah, thank you. Yeah, there was that scene.

804
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: And then there was the scene with the daughter but

805
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: we don't know, And then was there an exchange between

806
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: to say who wants sandwiches? And there was one woman

807
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: in that room? Was that Judith or not Judith? I

808
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: think it was not? Oh yeah it was Judith? Was

809
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: it Judith? There is this movie so I couldn't tell

810
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: you the name of literally anyone if I didn't pay

811
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: and teen or Tin and Twinette twin Tin. Yeah. Actually

812
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks being lady not easy. Oh that was Oh

813
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: my day was fine, Thanks for asking um. Feminist icon

814
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: look out. There's a scene where a woman and I

815
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: don't know who it is, says to Okay, I got

816
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: a cake? Is that okay? And Kay says as long

817
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: as no one counts the candles because it's her birthday.

818
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: What's her name? I don't know his name. Am walking

819
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: towards the door to answer it when Ben Bradley is

820
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: there to say, I'm at your part day. Oh my god,

821
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: tell you something, Ben, Bradley comes to her house at

822
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: the beginning of scene to this movie, He's like me again,

823
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: and to the point where the movie even starts calling

824
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: it out of like wow, Ben, you keep showing up

825
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: at my house. It's like yeah, almost like there's a

826
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: more interesting way to do this scene, Like I know

827
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: it's And I also just feel like we have to

828
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: ask some old people if you just went over to

829
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: people's houses on announcement, before the times of phones and things.

830
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: Did people just show up that your house all the time?

831
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid, like my dad's

832
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: friends would just maybe people just came over to your boss.

833
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm kind of glad that that trend

834
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: has died out when whenever someone is like, hey, I'm

835
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: just popping in, I was like that you have to

836
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: leave my home. I'm not I'm not home, no matter

837
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: of how many clear indicators that I'm home. Yeah, my

838
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: grandfather would do that or a little and it would

839
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: drive maybe than it is like an old person thing,

840
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: because we're drive My mom fucking crazy. She was just like,

841
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: why is he what? He's got a phone, Like, there's

842
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: no need to just show up places. Yeah. Yeah, feminist

843
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: like your grandfather. No, he's actually pretty bad person. So

844
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: we're all my grandparents. Okay. So as far as the

845
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: movie passing the Bechtel test, I don't couldn't identify any

846
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: scene where there were quite a few scenes where women

847
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: were interacting, but they were either talking about men or

848
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: we did not know. It's usually Katherine Graham talking to

849
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: someone else, but I don't think we know the other

850
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: character's name in almost all of those scenes. With I

851
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: don't think I was the same way because I was

852
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: like super because I did the same thing. I watched

853
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: it three weeks ago, and then I watched it again

854
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: for the podcast, and I was really look get through

855
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: the lens right, and I have notes of like this

856
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: happened at this And I took a note of every scene,

857
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: and I was like, do I know that person's name?

858
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: Like do I have to go back and rewind it

859
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: four times to see if maybe? And I was like,

860
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't know any of these people's names, right, and

861
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: this is and and something else that I noticed that

862
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: really bugged me, especially in the second viewing, was how

863
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: many times there are several women in the same room

864
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: and their characters don't interact in any way and that

865
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: to me, it says like, I don't think that was

866
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: done intentionally. But to me, that's even worse of just like, oh,

867
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: this filmmaker, it wouldn't even occur to them to have

868
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: female characters interact like it. Just there's so many scenes

869
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: where Meryl and her secretary are in the same room

870
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: the whole time. They do not speak well and they

871
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: didn't speak to them, but that's it. Well, And there's

872
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: that same when she walks in to talk to all

873
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: the stockholders and she walks up these steps and all

874
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: of these women are standing out there and they open

875
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: the door, and I was like, are they the secretaries

876
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: of all the men in there? Like? Who are all

877
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: those women on the stairs? But yeah, and they all

878
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: have these weird forty yards stairs and what are they?

879
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: Why were they all standing there? For? They were like

880
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: smiling at her to a good job. They're also ladies,

881
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: there's right, it's just like a very vague over like

882
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: women other women, But it's like, why would you know

883
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: who she is? There's that scene I forget why exactly

884
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: she's in court at this point, but there's that scene

885
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: where she's speaking to a young woman and young woman's

886
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: like I hope you in and then she sees that

887
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: woman's boss mistreat her and be like you're late even

888
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 1: though traffic or something. And that was another weird scene

889
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: that I'm like, I think that Steven Spielberg thought he

890
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: was being a feminist just then, but it was ultimately

891
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: just a weird scene that and it never comes back.

892
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she worked for She was like work for

893
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: the one of the judges. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

894
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, Like that was the one who's like,

895
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: She's like, my brother is still over there, and I

896
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: hope you win, but don't tell my boss I said that,

897
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: or even that I talked to you. I can't. Well,

898
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that I because I came in here

899
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: fucking hating this movie and I, oh my god, these

900
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: women are like, I'm so happy. You guys were just like,

901
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was worried that you picked it

902
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: because you liked it. No. I was like, man, this

903
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: is the smartest person in the world. How could she

904
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: like this movie? Oh no, I will never let you

905
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: down by telling you this. Right now, I tell you

906
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: I haven't say Titanic. No, that's that you know you're

907
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: going to have an amazing night. I'm gonna watch it

908
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: and then I'm just gonna call you about the like

909
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: I watched it. It's it's like, I'm really happy. It

910
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: does so much better than you would ever in your

911
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: life think it would do in terms of the way

912
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: it treats female characters. However, it's not necessarily a great movie.

913
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: Hover counterpoint, it is the greatest movie of all time,

914
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: I know, and I haven't seen it. I think it's

915
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: one of those movies where do you ever meet those

916
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: people who like, they didn't have sex in high school,

917
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: and then they didn't have it in college, and then

918
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: their virgins and by accident they're like, now I just

919
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: am keeping it as a point of pride, and maybe

920
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: I'm just And I feel like that way about Titanic,

921
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: where it's like I just didn't see it, and then

922
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna and then I haven't, and like do

923
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: I not see it? But I feel like I should

924
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: just funk. Titanic just hasnicually just the Titanic suck the Titanic. Yeah,

925
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm the same way with The Godfather. I've never seen it,

926
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: and then I think it's like extremely cute when I

927
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: tell people I haven't seen it and then they go

928
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: and unhinge their jobs, and like, that's right, it's not

929
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: on purpose, but yeah, it becomes on purpose after a while.

930
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: Let's see how far into my life I can make

931
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: it without seeing The Godfather. Yeah, it's good, you should

932
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: say it. That's kind of an amazing movie. I've heard

933
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: good things, largely considered to be a better movie than

934
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: the first time. Similar with Paddington Too, and how it

935
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: is the other best movie ever made, along with alright,

936
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: Paddington Too. Love it anyway, everyone's upset with me. I'm like,

937
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: I haven't seen even a Paddington one. I think I'm

938
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: a bear. It's a bear with a raincoat. He's got

939
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: a defle coat and a red hat. Yeah. I had

940
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: to kill two hours yesterday and so I saw about

941
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: seventy of Jumanji. Oh, I wouldn't talk to you about that.

942
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: I stayed until Nick Jonas showed up. I'm like, well,

943
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: guess I'm out. I guess I'm fun. I guess I'm good,

944
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna just go do what I have to do.

945
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: But you know not, Jamie, No, it's no. It's like

946
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: a board and board game. Right. I hadn't seen the first,

947
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with Jumanji whatever. I don't know what Jumanji.

948
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 1: I know something I don't know the new Jumanji. There's

949
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: a lot of colors. It's kind of like a sensory

950
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: overload car tune. No, no, it's a It's Jack Black,

951
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Hart, The Rock, The Rock, Nick Jonas Jonas a

952
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: woman from doctor who whose name escapes me. I feel

953
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: like you deserve better. I thank you so much. Your

954
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: time deserves better. I just didn't have enough time to

955
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: go home. So I'm like, I guess I'm going to

956
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: just see part of Jumanji. Did you pay money? I had?

957
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: Used movie Pass? Is that free? So? Yeah? Yeah, So

958
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: it's like you can see one movie a day for

959
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: like ten dollars a month. So it's not free. It's

960
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: not free, but if you go to the movies, movie

961
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: pass is much like freedom. And you know what else

962
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: and that is not granted to everyone. You have to

963
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: ask for him. No one else isn't free? Is the

964
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: press for a little bit in this movie that we're

965
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: talking about, Thankfully they I love trying it back to

966
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: killing the relevant topics. The master you are, so you

967
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: are the seguess, shall we rate the movie on our

968
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: Apple scales, so as we have a scale of zero

969
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 1: to five nipples by which we rate the movie based

970
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: on its portrayal of women. I'm gonna have to say

971
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: it's not like this isn't the worst one we've ever done,

972
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: but certainly not the best. I'm gonna I'm gonna give

973
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: it like maybe a two and a half nipples. We've

974
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: talked about how disserviced Katherine Graham was in the movie.

975
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: I feel like we're not really ever on board with her,

976
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: and that might be because she doesn't get a lot

977
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: of screen time or opportunity for us to get to

978
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: know her. Um. I feel like the story could have

979
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: just come from a different angle and told her version

980
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: of it much better. Of the other female characters there are,

981
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: we never even get to learn their names. We don't

982
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: even know what their situation is. We see eighty billion

983
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: men on screen at all times, and that's frustrating. I

984
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: don't know it could have done better. I don't know

985
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. Who are you? The most

986
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: important question? But yeah, I'm going to give two of

987
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: them to the Lemonade, and the half nipple will go

988
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: to k Graham. I'm gonna give it to and and

989
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: I would like to see what this movie would look

990
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: like in the hands of a female director, because I

991
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of missteps would not have been

992
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: But I mean, and I know that we're commenting on

993
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: how women are treated by the movie and not the

994
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 1: movie itself, but this movie is just so lazily done

995
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: in every single way, and I feel like just the

996
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: way it treats its female characters is one of the

997
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: very lazy components. John Williams composed the music for his

998
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: and it's the worst. Like, it's just no one is

999
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: doing a good job. I think that they give us

1000
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: a female protagonist and they're given the source material for

1001
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: a very interesting, nuanced character, and we just don't get it.

1002
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: Women be servant sandwiches, women be providing exposition, women be

1003
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: talking about shoes. It's just like it's just also fucking

1004
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: lazy and is a bummer on many levels because there

1005
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: is a good movie to be had about the subject

1006
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: matter and this was not it. It's like there is

1007
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: a movie called The Pentagon Papers, which have you seen it?

1008
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: Is there? I haven't seen it years ago? Okay, I

1009
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: should have done more research on it. Sorry, everyone. If

1010
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: you know about the movie The Pentagon Papers, please twe

1011
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 1: someone's favorite movie. It was the movie was co written

1012
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: by a woman, Liz Hannah and Josh Singer, so you

1013
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: feel like it would have been a better movie. But

1014
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: just kidding, not this time, not this time. But yeah,

1015
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: I give it two nipples. I'm going to give one

1016
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: of the nipples to Zach Woods because yeah, I like

1017
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: him a lot, but he didn't blind this movie. And

1018
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give the other uh nipple to Sarah Paulson

1019
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: because she also deserved way better. Yeah, I mean, I

1020
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: guess I would give it to grudgingly um, because really,

1021
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: what did you want me to walk out of this

1022
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: movie knowing and feeling like I don't know the answers

1023
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: to those two questions. There's a biography about Katherine Graham

1024
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: that I would say we should all probably read because

1025
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: if Catherine am was a fraction of how she was

1026
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: portrayed in this movie and Bren Bradley saved that paper,

1027
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: then that's the movie. And why are you making that

1028
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: movie trying to act like she did something if he

1029
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: pushed her into everything, you know, I just feel like

1030
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: everything about this movie was sexist. If she was not awesome,

1031
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: then why did you make the movie? It's like, and

1032
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,959
Speaker 1: if you wanted to make a movie that was about

1033
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: Ben Bradley and how awesome he was, and that Katherine

1034
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: Graham said, I inherited this newspaper. I didn't want to

1035
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: be in the newspaper business. But you're really smart, and

1036
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm willing to put my family business on the line

1037
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: because you are willing to like fight for democracy. That's

1038
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,479
Speaker 1: a movie. But like, I don't know what this movie

1039
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: was other than I felt insulted by Katherine Graham's ineptitude.

1040
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: I felt insulted by the fact that I thought I

1041
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: was going into a movie that was going to tell

1042
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: me a little bit about her journey in this historical

1043
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: context and didn't. And I just feel like every woman

1044
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: in it, I don't know who they were. It was

1045
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: sometimes you literally cannot tell them apart and you don't

1046
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: know their names. So I'm gonna give my two nipples.

1047
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give, I guess one to Judy for wanting

1048
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: to have some Mike's hard lemonade. Hell yeah, what it matters.

1049
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: And the other nipple I'm gonna give too. I don't

1050
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: even know who deserves it. I guess I guess Sarah

1051
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: Paulson for having to suffer through that bad photoshop picture. Yeah,

1052
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: we all had to. We were right there with her.

1053
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like Steven Spielberg or you

1054
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: know who, whomever tied to him. We're like, we want

1055
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: to make a journalism movie. Give me five ideas for

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Speaker 1: a journalism movie. And he arbitrarily was like, oh, women

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Speaker 1: are hot right now, like the woman journalism movie. And

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Speaker 1: it's just like every it's just so thrown together and

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Speaker 1: wishy washing, and the movie doesn't know what it thinks

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Speaker 1: about itself. And then it ends on that horrendous like

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Speaker 1: like a bad SNL sketch of Richard Nixon imprisonator. But like,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing that, like, after knowing they made this

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Speaker 1: movie because of the parallels of the times, like they

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Speaker 1: chose the subject matter but also of the times, is

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Speaker 1: now you know, it's like, then, do a movie about

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Speaker 1: women in journalism who we don't know about because they

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Speaker 1: got sucked over by creepy bosses. Who are the women

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Speaker 1: we don't know? Like, where's the journalism version of Hidden Figures?

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Speaker 1: Make that movie? Yeah, that's what we need. We need,

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Speaker 1: we need the hidden figures version of every everything in

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Speaker 1: the world. It's hidden figures of and call me later.

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Speaker 1: It's the new hidden figures, extended universe, forgotten women through history.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just unbelievable. There's like, way too many

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Speaker 1: cool people who did really cool ship like that. I

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Speaker 1: can't even and we don't know about them because history

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Speaker 1: has buried them. The Post has gotta go. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: gotta go. Don't like it, and it's going to be.

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Speaker 1: It's nominated for everything, to the point where I don't

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Speaker 1: think that anyone who like nominated the Post for an

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Speaker 1: award has actually seen it. No, I don't know, because

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Speaker 1: it's not winning no way, didn't win anything. No good. No,

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Speaker 1: it's also you have to nominate Meryl Streep or uh,

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Speaker 1: Ninja comes after you, Caryl Streets, Ninja, Army Street. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: You're right, Meryl Street. Well, Liz, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being This is so much fun. I'm saying I

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Speaker 1: loved it. I come back. Are you Do you have

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Speaker 1: those one guest rules like the people who like, No,

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Speaker 1: you can't five years dad whenever you want? Okay? Policy?

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you online? Is there anything you'd

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Speaker 1: like to plug? Oh? My gosh. Yes, you can find

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Speaker 1: me online at Liz Winstead on all platforms. I spelled

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Speaker 1: my name with two z's because I'm an ass whole um.

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Speaker 1: And then maybe what you want to do, because this

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Speaker 1: is going to be super fun. On February first, Lady

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Speaker 1: Parts Justice, which is my reproductive rights crazy comedy organization,

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Speaker 1: is to a big livestream telephone at Lady Park Justice

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Speaker 1: dot com. It's Rachel Bloom, Sarah Summer and I are

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Speaker 1: hosting it and it's a whole fun evening two hour

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Speaker 1: broadcasts of comedy and learning about what's happening to reproductive

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Speaker 1: rights and abortion access and how you can join in

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Speaker 1: and have fun. You can pledge. Mark Hamill is going

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Speaker 1: to be sitting for two hours making crafts that are

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Speaker 1: going to be auction. It's gonna be Does Mark Hamill

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Speaker 1: make craps? Yes, he doodles and he does crafts and

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Speaker 1: he's a bunch of stuff like you have me at

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Speaker 1: Mark Hamill jass. Go to Lady Parts Justice dot com

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Speaker 1: for all the info. It's gonna be a ballas there

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Speaker 1: may or may not be a Piniona that is the

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Speaker 1: patriarchy with garbage inside. Oh my god, gat my blood

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Speaker 1: pressure is rising. Yeah, well hey on that. You can

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Speaker 1: follow with the Bechtel Cast on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, You

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Speaker 1: can go to our website backtel cast dot com, tweet

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Speaker 1: on US, rate and reviews on iTunes, Pledge to our page.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, coming up on the Patreon in February, it's Oscar.

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Speaker 1: What did what I call it? You called it biopic March? Okay,

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Speaker 1: but it was actually February, and it was actually not

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Speaker 1: even biopics. It was it was Oscar Watch February. I

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Speaker 1: accidentally called it biopic March about forty sons. But this

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Speaker 1: month in the Patreon, we're doing a Tania and the

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Speaker 1: Disaster Artists, which are biopics. So I understood your mistake,

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately it was not for March. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why I spent the whole day thinking it was. But

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Speaker 1: subscribe to the patreon five dollars a month gets you

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Speaker 1: two extra episodes a month. You bet you pretty good?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, journalism is alive and well, especially print journalism swelling.

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Speaker 1: John Williams score doing great. All right. Bye by