1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece locked in a cage. I'm 2 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: not talking about a wild animal that's getting shipped over 3 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: from Africa. I'm not talking about a dangerous species like 4 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: an alligator that just got pulled out of ok Finocchio 5 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: with those long tongs. A baby boy, just nine years old, 6 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: locked in a cage, living outside in these temperatures. How 7 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: was that happening in America? How and why is that 8 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: happening in our great country? What nobody knew there was 9 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: a child seen from school. None of the neighbors knew 10 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: there was a boy nine years old living behind the 11 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: house in a cage. The cage aspect is just the 12 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: tip on the iceberg. I mean, I see grace this 13 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: described stories. Thank you for being with us here at 14 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: Fox Nation in series eleven. Let's kick it Off. W 15 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: f M. Y Davidson County Sheriff Richie Simmons says this 16 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: is one of the worst child abuse cases that he 17 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: has seen in his thirty seventy year career. Deputy's arrived 18 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: to the hall on Crest Road just before seven thirty 19 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 1: yesterday morning. There, they found a nine year old child 20 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: who had been left outside overnight with just the clothes 21 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: on his back. He was inside a locked dog kennel 22 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: all the property as the outside temperature felt at twenty 23 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:53,919 Speaker 1: eight degrees. There were some clothes that was that was there, 24 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: just bits and pieces. A little bit of food was inside, 25 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: but not enough to sustain warmth for this child. Investigators 26 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: did not say why the child was locked in the 27 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: outside kennel in the first place. Two other children were 28 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: located on the property, along with two more who were 29 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: at school when deputies arrived. I'm not even sure I 30 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: understand what I just heard. I'm pretty sure I heard. 31 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: They haven't figured out why the little boy was in 32 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: a cage outdoors in twenty eight degree Whether does it 33 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: really matter? Why does it matter? That's why the state 34 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: never has to praise motive right there. It doesn't matter why, 35 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter why adults have locked a child 36 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: in an outdoor cage at twenty eight degrees outside. I 37 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: want to make sure I understand what I just heard? 38 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: Could you please, Jackie played Daniel Cruz one more time? 39 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: Davidson County cheff Richie Simmons says this is one of 40 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: the worst child abuse cases that he has seen in 41 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: his thirty seventy year career deputy has arrived at the 42 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: hall on Crest Road just before seven thirty yesterday morning. 43 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: There they found a nine year old child who had 44 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: been left outside overnight with just the clothes on his back. 45 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: He was inside a locked dog kennel all the property 46 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: as the outside temperature felt at twenty eight degrees. Okay, 47 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: Nicole Parton joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter 48 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: Nicole Parton. You know that my husband and I have 49 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: been married almost sixteen years. It actually seems like maybe 50 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: two or three years. Believe it or not. Do you know? 51 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: Only the second third time, and all the time I've 52 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: known him, even prior to our marriage, Last night was 53 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: only the third time I threatened to divorce him. Note 54 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: make that for one was for losing my cat after 55 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: I moved to New York. Coco. Okay, number two, Let's 56 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: see what would that have been? Probably when he's set 57 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: a curseword in front of the children. No, that's not 58 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: that's not divorce worthy. I just hit his iPad for 59 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: a week. But last night, this is the fourth one. 60 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: The cat, the new cat, Cinnamon, took a major poop 61 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: in the den. He put the cat outside and left 62 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: the cat outside in thirty degree weather for like five hours. 63 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: I came in from where I had been and said, 64 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: we're a cinnamon. I put her outside. I'm like, when 65 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: did she put her outside? And why the cat had 66 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: been outside? I guess what was it, jackie thirty six 67 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: thirty seven degrees outside? And yeah, I know she's wearing 68 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: a fur coat, but still and he said, well, she 69 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: could stay in the garage where it's warm with the cars. 70 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, still outside anyway. Let me just say that 71 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: unless he wants a divorce, which I doubt because he 72 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: wants to be with the twins, I don't get myself 73 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: any credit there, he will not put the cat outside again. 74 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: That's the cat, much less a nine year old little boy. Nicole. 75 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: Pardon what in the h E double l is going on? 76 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: And lexing to North Carolina? Absolutely, Nancy, and all of 77 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: this when a concerned neighbor catches a glimpse of a 78 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: little boy locked in this outside kennel with straw, just 79 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: some straw, and the kennel like we put for an animal. Okay, 80 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute, okay, let me refer 81 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: to the two guinea pigs that live in the house 82 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: Chloe and spotted. Every morning they get the cage clean 83 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: and they get fresh hay and food and water. Sometimes 84 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: they have the window open, but I close it if 85 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: it gets chillian. There. At night they have a full 86 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: of salad, more hay, and more water. And this little 87 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: boy had nothing. But what did you say? Straw? That's right, 88 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: just some straw like some hey, that's it. You know, 89 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: I hardly even know what to say right now, Nicole, pardon? 90 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: What condition do we know the boy was in? Was 91 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: it true? There was twenty eight degrees outside, twenty eight 92 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: degrees outside, frost on the ground. A nine year old 93 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: boy found locked in a freezing dog kennel outside the 94 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: home lex Into, North Carolina, cast out since April, shoeless, 95 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: what sleeping on straw because there was quote no room 96 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: for him in the home where father, stepmother, ought and 97 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: four siblings slept. There was no room for him. He 98 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: was the only one that had to sleep out in 99 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: a locked dog cage with straw, without shoes. Am I 100 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: reading the right thing? That's correct? Absolutely? And the few 101 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: clothes that he had on authorities they were they were damp. 102 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: So he's out there in wet clothes of course, there's 103 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: no bathroom, there's nowhere to go wet clothes. It's twenty 104 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: eight degrees that we know is below freezing, and this 105 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: young boy is left alone there for seven months. He's 106 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: locked in the dog kennel seven months. Sarah Ford joining me. 107 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: Legal director of South Carolina Victim Assistance Network. Her specialty 108 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: is crimes on children. She's professor at Claflin University in 109 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: South Carolina State University. Sarah, I'm sure you've tried a 110 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: lot of cases, as have I. Have you ever cried 111 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: in front of a jury. I've never cried in front 112 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: of a jury, but it taken a whole lot for 113 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: me not to. I've certainly cried when I've gotten to 114 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: my office because we see so many horrible, horrible things. 115 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: That's certainly gotten emotional in front of a jury, as 116 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure you have as well. Well. I've never cried 117 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: in front of a jury. I did cry, began to 118 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: cry once. It was a bench trial, which means a 119 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: judge hearing it. I'll tell you what happened. There was 120 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: a two little two year old girl who would be 121 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: a vegetable in a vegetative state the rest of her life. 122 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: All she would ever do at that point is lie 123 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: on her back in a crib and that bib will 124 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: get bigger as she gets older again, vegetative state from 125 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:27,119 Speaker 1: a horrific beating that her father gave her during the trial. 126 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: As you know, Sarah, it's very hard to get medical 127 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: records because of HIPPA and so many other things, and 128 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: this was a juvenile victim, which made it even more 129 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: more layers of protection during the trial. While thanks, I 130 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: finally got the medical documents during the trial. Of course, 131 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: they could not be admitted because you have to hand 132 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: over scientific reports such as hospital records far in advance 133 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: of the trial to the defense council. But I had them. 134 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: They came during the trial, which was no help to me. 135 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: And I was listening and I was just thumming, do 136 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: you know what was happening? And I thumbed through and 137 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: I saw where this little child had no hymen, this 138 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: two year old little girl, which means she was raped. 139 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: Not only was she beaten into a vegetative state for 140 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: the rest of her life, she had also two years 141 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: old been raped how many times, don't know. And my 142 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: eyes welled up and immediately called for a recess and 143 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: left and went outside and got it together and went 144 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: back in there, and I gave them so much hell 145 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: not enough though, because they're probably out of jail by now. 146 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: Long story short, this case, it's very hard for me 147 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: to keep a straight face when I hear what happened 148 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: to this little boy? Okay, Nicole Parton, you just said, Actually, 149 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: would you say it again? He was found locked outdoors 150 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: in the dog kennel. Nothing there but some straw to 151 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: lay on, so no pillow, nothing warm and cozy. It's 152 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: twenty eight degrees that's below freezing. The few clothes that 153 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: he has owned are wet, no shoes, and he's been 154 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: there for seven months. Authorities said he was so cold 155 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: when they got to him, he was shivering, uncontrollable, and 156 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: he was unable to speak to them. He was so cold. 157 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: Literally the clothes on him were freezing because it was 158 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,599 Speaker 1: twenty eight degrees. Take a listen to Sheriff Richie Simmons, 159 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: Adam Davison County. Approximately six to fifty six am, we 160 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: received a call for a welfare check of kids. When 161 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: we arrived on seeing we made entry into a location 162 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: that our deputies we felt like exisent circumstances to go 163 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: over a fence to go after and look, and we 164 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: actually found a nine year old child within a dog 165 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: lot that was on the premises outside and away from 166 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: the home. We were able to breach the combination lock 167 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: and the fence retrieved this child. Of the temperature at 168 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: the tom was about twenty eight degrees. We found out 169 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: that this child had been out there all night, all night, 170 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: but about all night every night for seven months. Time 171 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace's joining me special guest pediatrician at 172 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: the Pediatric Emergency Medical Medicine Section. Child is safety expert 173 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: and consultant founder of pedmom dot com. That's peed imom 174 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor free inn has doctor has thank you 175 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: for being with us. Explained to me what these conditions 176 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: would due to a child twenty eight degrees in wet 177 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: clothing outside, no food and this has been going on 178 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: for seven months. Yeah, so it's extremely dangerous and can 179 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: actually even lead to death. So, just from some of 180 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: the symptoms that I've read about that this particular child 181 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: had confusion, difficulty speaking, the shivering, that tells me that 182 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: at least he's in moderate hypothermia. We kind of look 183 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: at mild, moderate to severe, which then can lead to death, 184 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: and he's at least there, maybe even more severe without 185 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: knowing more. But and that can happen in those temperatures, 186 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: even fully clothed without having a source of heat, so 187 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: he was not fully closed. Plus he was higher risk 188 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: because he was a child probably and I would assume 189 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: likely malnourished, being that he hadn't had food out there. 190 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: All of those things put him even increased risk. And 191 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: then being wet. You combine all of this and had 192 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: he not been found, this could have ended very, very badly. 193 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out what long term physical 194 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: and psychological effects this boy will suffer. Guys, take a 195 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: listen now to our cut LWFM Y. When deputies arrived, 196 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: they say they found the boy wearing jeans, a T shirt, 197 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: and no shoes. This was on October nineteenth, when there 198 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: was frost on the ground around the kennel. His stepmother 199 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: claimed only the aunt knew the combination to the lock 200 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: on the kennel and that she and her husband were 201 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: upset about the boy being kept there. Another disturbing detail 202 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: that nine one one caller also told dispatchers they took 203 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: the child some food in the past and a neighbor 204 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: who spoke to detectives on scene told them the boy 205 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: had been in the kennel since ten thirty pm the 206 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: night before, and he said he brought him a coat 207 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: and snacks. Okay, let's analyze what we're just hearing that 208 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: only one person in the home, out of all the 209 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: people in the home, had the quote combination to the lock. Man, 210 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: I would tear that kennel down if I had to 211 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: drive my car over it to get the boy out. 212 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: It's just excuses, excuses, excuses, No shoes frost on the ground, 213 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: and we're seeing the emergence of an evil step mother 214 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: claiming that only the aunt knows the combination to the 215 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: lock on the kennel and that she and her husband 216 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: were really upset about it, but did nothing explain to me, 217 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: Nicole Parton. The neighbors knew this. They said that they 218 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: had been giving him a coat and trying to give 219 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: him snacks since ten thirty the night before. Right, absolutely, so, 220 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: we have actually two different neighbors. We have a neighbor 221 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: who called ninety one one anonymously who caught a glimpse 222 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: of the boy in the kennel, and that neighbor's wife 223 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: says even that neighbor had kind of snuck over there 224 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: in the path and dropped the boy some food over 225 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: in the dog kennel. And then we have another neighbor 226 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: who shows up on his four wheeler when detectives arrived, 227 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: who also tells his story that in fact he knows 228 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: the boy has been locked up for months, no offense. 229 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: But what the hell is wrong with these people? A 230 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: good question, I mean, help me out, Dodger, Angie Arnold. 231 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: They know the boy is there outside, locked in a kennel, 232 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: outdoors and cold, wet clothing, ten thirty at night, and 233 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: then we find out the neighbors have known that he's there. 234 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: They've been giving him snacks for how long weeks I 235 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: don't know, and they somebody finally calls it seven thirty 236 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: in the morning. Could you actually sleep, doctor, Angie, knowing 237 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: a child was outside, Nitcy, None of us could sleep 238 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: knowing something like that, Nancy. I couldn't sleep if somebody 239 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: left their dog outside in the cold, and I can't 240 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: even imagine locking. And also, you know how everybody's been 241 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: talking about there was just straw back there, and he 242 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: wasn't dressed very well, Nancy. They didn't put him back 243 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: there so that he could be in good shape. They 244 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: were probably hoping he would die from us and then 245 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: they could cover that up because he hadn't been to school. 246 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: He was just going to disappear from the world, this 247 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: poor little boy. So no, I can't imagine that a 248 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: neighbor wouldn't say anything. And maybe that's why these people 249 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: think that they could get away with all of us 250 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: with locking their child in a dog house, because they 251 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: knew that no one was going to say anything, or 252 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: were the neighbor scared of them. Also, you know, I'm 253 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: looking at pictures I'm the little boy all the way back, 254 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: this little boy we're not giving his name, Pictures of 255 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: him as a baby in die pees, in a dog kennel. 256 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: And it's the same kind we have when we have 257 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: to move Fat Boy or Cinnamon. It's for a bigger dog, 258 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: but it's got a top. It's a full on cage 259 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: with a lock on the door. He's in die piece, 260 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: in a dog cage. When he looks like he might 261 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: be I don't know, eighteen months maybe well, I mean 262 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: it's you almost have to wonder if they were if 263 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: they were training him to live in a dog cage, 264 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: because that's how you train a dog, You put them 265 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: in a cage. Guys, you're hearing doctor Angie Arnold, psychiatrist 266 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta Jurisdiction at Angela Arnold, MD dot com. 267 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: Robert Farley joining me former Detective Cook County Sheriff's Police Department, 268 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: also with the US Marshall the commanding officer with a 269 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: child Exploitation Unit, Rob Farley, the only silver lining I 270 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: have to say about this case is that the boy 271 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: is alive, because typically when I get a hold of 272 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: a case like this to investigate, to try or to cover, 273 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: the child is dead. That's the only good Colonel of this. 274 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: What do you think, Farley? I mean, these people name 275 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: life on life on life. My experience is that I'm 276 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: amazed they lasted nine years. I mean, if you have 277 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: pictures of them in the cage, which which I saw, 278 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: I mean at eighteen months, it's a wonder. I mean, 279 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: I did child these homicides, and it's a wonder he'd 280 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: lasted really that long. The one thing that along with 281 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: the silver lining with the little guy being so alive 282 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: is the fact that boy, I really you know, got 283 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: to commend the Davidson County Sheriff's Department. That you know 284 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: they went and did the right thing. It wasn't one 285 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: of these things they knocked on the door and you 286 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: get some excuse and then they leave. I mean they 287 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: really really went there. And you heard the sheriff use 288 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: the term exigen circumstances, which, as you know, is in 289 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: an emergency. You know there's no search horn or anything. 290 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: We're going in. We're grabbing the kid and taking the 291 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: kid out of Speaking of exigent circumstances, that term arose 292 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: from Carol Versus the United States. That's the name of 293 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: the case, and that case dates all the way back 294 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: to moonshining era during Prohibition, when people would lug moonshine 295 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: and the back of their cars and the trunks. The 296 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: problem is, by the time you got a warrant, you 297 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: see a caddy going by with a tail scraping the crown. 298 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: You know there's a moonshine in there, but you didn't 299 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: have a warrant. So a cop finally chased down on 300 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: one of these cars full of moonshine in the trunk, 301 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: opened the trunk, got in the moonshine. But then it 302 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: was contested and it was actually suppressed anyway the evidence. 303 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: It was appealed all the way up to the US 304 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. The defendant's name was Carol, last name Carol, 305 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: hence the US versus Carrol, and the Supreme Court decided 306 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: that under exigent circumstances, in other words, you're gonna lose 307 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: the evidence. In this case, the boy could die. You're 308 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: gonna lose the evidence unless you act immediately without a warrant. 309 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: That's what exigent circumstances means under the law. And Robert 310 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: Farley is exactly correct. Guys. He's so right about detectives 311 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: acting because who knows if the boy could have even 312 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 1: lived one more hour in subfreezing conditions. Now this is 313 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: what they find. Take a list of our cut three 314 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: from Fox A WHP. The first person deputy saw after 315 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: finding the child was Sarah's Starr, who's the child's stepmother. 316 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: To the Shay, she was inside with an infant and 317 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: a four year old inside that home, she told the 318 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: investigators she didn't have the combination to the lock on 319 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: the dogcage, saying only her aunts, identified as Shelley Barnes 320 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: had that. Let me understand what I'm hearing, Nicole Parton 321 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: joined me Cryline dot Com investigative reporter. So there's other 322 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: children in the home that apparently are okay, but she says, oh, yeah, 323 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: he's out there, but I couldn't do anything because I 324 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: don't have the combination. What right I mean, call authorities, 325 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: do anything, get the child out of the cage. To 326 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: explain to me what I'm hearing. Yeah, so that was 327 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: her excuse to the detectives when they went inside again, 328 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: as was pointed out, they didn't knock on the door. 329 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: They went inside the home and found her with a child, 330 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: an eight month old child, and also interesting, they found 331 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: a four year old child hiding under the bed. The 332 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: four year old was hiding under the bed. Step mom, 333 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: forty year old Sarah says, we don't have the combination. 334 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: We've really been concerned that the nine year old is 335 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: locked outside, but only my aunt has the combination. There's 336 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: nothing that we could do. We didn't know how to 337 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: get him out. Father is also in the home, thirty 338 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: two year old Jonathan Star is there. Same excuse. We 339 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: couldn't get him out. We didn't have the combination, and 340 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: so they forced the blame back on the fifty six 341 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: year old aunt. Shelley Barnes, who we might add as 342 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: a convicted felon with a laundry list of offenses against her. 343 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait wait, the aunt with a combination 344 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: is a convicted felon for what what did she do? 345 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: She has thirty four arrest I believe it was including 346 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: identity fraud, health and safety violations, maintaining a dwelling place 347 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: for controlled substances. She's a jewel, She's a one with 348 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: a combination. Time stories with Nancy Grace Sarah Ford. Can 349 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: I just say, number one, they can all rot in hell? Absolutely, 350 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: number one. That's the first legal premise. Second is all 351 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: of them were colluding. They're all responsible. Every adult in 352 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: that home is responsible and for child torture of this 353 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: manner in North Carolina. I do believe there is at 354 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 1: least a twenty year sentence and that can be compounded 355 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: if they wanted to the state could give them a 356 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: twenty years sentence if found guilty for every single day 357 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: this child is in that dog age, for starving the child, 358 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: for probably beating the child. Because you know it all 359 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: goes hand in hand. Can I ask a legal question 360 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: from the medical sign of jump and dodgra Has. I 361 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: am wondering what the thought process is about the fact 362 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: that this particular child, on that particular night, with that 363 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: temperature and in those conditions, could very well have died. 364 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: I tempted murder. You know what, doctor has a Slaggers 365 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: don't like it when we get shown up by doctors. Okay, 366 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: so sadly shut your piehole. Actually you're completely right, and 367 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: I have to eat a dirt sandwich. You're right, doctor Has, 368 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: this could be attempted murder, Sarah Ford. I guess I 369 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: needed an m day to straighten me out. She's right, Sarah, 370 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: this could be attempted murder. She's absolutely correct. I want 371 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: them to go down on attempted murder. They absolutely should 372 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: be charged. I mean the charges that they have of 373 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: abuse and neglect, I mean that's just the bottom of 374 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: the barrel saying it's poor child. I mean, this is 375 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: absolutely the fact that this child has lived this long 376 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: in a cage is an absolute miracle. And these you know, 377 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: the step mom, the biological father, and the aunt. You know, 378 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: they're just going back and forth trying to blame each other, 379 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: but they are all culpable to the max in this 380 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: and need to be prosecuted. You know, doctor has I'm 381 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: investigating you. I think you secretly have a JD as well. Guys, 382 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: this is not the first time that locking a child 383 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: in an enclosure such as a cage, a closet, a 384 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: shower stall, a box, a dog cage, as in this 385 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: case has happened. It's a very unique phenomena and it 386 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: is a little known aspect of child abuse. The deprivation 387 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: of movement, the enclosure aspect of this type of child 388 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: abuse is possibly next to starving. I think one of 389 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: the most awful forms of child abuse, and it's certainly 390 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: not in the first time it's happened. Take a listen 391 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: hour cut twelve a Our Friends at Needs twelve. We 392 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: begin with that developing story out of Cinema Rich's disturbing 393 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: information about the death of an eight year old boy 394 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: released by police just a short time ago. Police now 395 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: say Michael Valva and his fiance Angela Paulina left Thomas 396 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: Valva in an unheated garage, unheated and unfinished overnight in 397 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: freezing timber Us. They say when he was taken to 398 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: the hospital where he was pronounced dead, his body temperature 399 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: was seventy six degrees, as we first told you. Police 400 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: responded to reports that the child fell in the driveway 401 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: of the home. This was on Bittersweet Lane last week, 402 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: but investigators said the eight year old suffered head and 403 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: facial injuries, inconsistent with those reports. The couple also have 404 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: five other children, including two other sons and Paulina's three daughters. 405 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: You remember when in old house right there you were, 406 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: you had two floors right downstairs and upstairs you free 407 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: basically or the basement was dead and the one part 408 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: of the house there was also garage, right yeah, there's 409 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: a garage. Did you ever see any heat in the garage? Anyone? 410 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: Like head? Was the garage heated or unheated? Nope? Plattle cold? 411 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: It was cold? Yeah, like so let's say like it 412 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: it was like snow where there, but sailors it was 413 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: really cool. It's like if you it's like you point 414 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: your whole boyance now really yeah? And was anybody sleeping 415 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: in the garage? I was great, you were Thomson Anthonie 416 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: think was it was was the garage door you were 417 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: able to go inside the garage and out? Or was 418 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: the door locked? Oh? Sometimes the door was locked? Sometimes 419 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: I was locked yeah, when mom Da left the garage. 420 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: Oh so when Anthony and Tommy you were left in 421 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: the garage the door was locked and was there anything 422 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: else to sleep on in the garage? Just the floor, 423 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: just the floor and no pillow and no pillow, was 424 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: no planet either. They were hearing a little Thomas now, 425 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: but who I might add as autistic hearing his little 426 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: brother Andrew describe how Thomas would have to stay in 427 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: the garage night after night after night, and there would 428 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: actually be snow in the garage, sleeping on the cold 429 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: floor without a pillow or a blanket. In Thomas Valve's case, 430 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: there was also considerable beatings, starvings, deprivations. Listen to Pixie eleven. 431 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: My children were basically starved to death. Justina Valvet can't 432 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: bring back her eight year old son, Thomas, a special 433 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: need student with mild autism, but she can demand accountability 434 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: from the child welfare workers and judges who gave custody 435 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: of her three sons to ex husband Michael Valvat and 436 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: his girlfriend Angela Polina. What do you have to say 437 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: for yourself? Valvet said, Her ten year old son was 438 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: also forced into Michael Valvet's freezing garage. He had frost 439 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: bites on his hands, on his legs. The East Moriches 440 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: School District had expressed concern about the two oldest boys 441 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: in this letter sent an eight twenty eighteen. They were 442 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: looking for foot on the classroom floor in Nagata. Bitch, 443 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: they were coming to school boarding diapost. Did you hear that? 444 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: Sarah Ford? The school district head quote expressed concern because 445 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: the boys were coming in looking for food on the 446 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: floor and in the garbage, wearing diapers. But they did nothing, 447 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: And the mom is threatening to sue defects apartment family 448 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: Children's services. But wait a minute, she's the mom. What 449 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: did she do? What did she do to save her boys? 450 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: And now Thomas Velvet isn't dead, This little autistic boy 451 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: having slept in the garage where there's snow every night, 452 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: forced out there by the bio dad and his girlfriend. 453 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the school expressed concern. That's all. That's all 454 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: they could do. He wasn't coming to school. When he 455 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: did come to school, he was looking for food in 456 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: the garbage. Expressing concern doesn't cut it, Sarah Ford. It 457 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: doesn't cut it. It doesn't cut it. You know, teachers 458 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: are mandated reporters, you know, and for mandated reporters, that 459 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: means that there is a law that teachers, doctors, other 460 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: professionals have an obligation, a legal obligation to report suspected 461 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: abuse of children. Express concern, my rear end. That's all 462 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: they did. They express concern. How do people sleep at 463 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: night knowing what these children are living through? Just like 464 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: the neighbors in the North Carolina case, they knew the 465 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: little boy was outside in a dog cage, and what 466 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: would they do? Go give them a couple of chips? 467 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: That's it? Are you serious? That's not the end of 468 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: the Thomas novel story. Take a listen to our cut 469 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: nineteen our friends into the ABC. You're never gonna believe 470 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: this because the father who did this to the boy 471 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: actually sets up a go fund me police seems also 472 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: had facial and head injuries. Michael Valva had told police 473 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: Thomas had fallen in the driveway and was knocked unconscious. 474 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: He created a go fund Me page, which raised fourteen 475 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: thousand dollars for Thomas's funeral. In it, Michael Valvet describes 476 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: the death of his son as a quote tragic accident, 477 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: but police believe Valva and Paulina routinely left Thomas and 478 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: his ten year old brother in the garage as a 479 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: form of punishment. So many people involved here that took 480 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: a part of protecting the abuse that instead of protecting 481 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: my children. Zuko Valvat says, school staff in the East 482 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: Morichas School District had contacted CPS about Thomas and signs 483 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: of physical abuse. They also noted he and his brother 484 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: were suffering from food deprivation and were visibly dirty. Z deprivation, 485 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: visibly dirty and it happened day after day after day. Yea, 486 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,239 Speaker 1: the abusers were protected while the children suffered. There is 487 00:31:54,280 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: no case worse than child abuse, child death, child murders. 488 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: You were hearing about little Thomas Valva being forced to 489 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: stay in a snowy garage. The enclosure aspect of child 490 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: abuse is not a new thing. Take a listen to 491 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: our cut twenty nine from k E. Why Cynthia Vasquez 492 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: doesn't just work at Cossa pacificas Center for Abused and 493 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,479 Speaker 1: neglected kids. She came in one of the worst cases 494 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: that we've ever seen. She was horrendous when she and 495 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: her sister went through. Cynthia's a little girl that came 496 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: to us from a cage. She had lived in an 497 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: animal cage in a basement for years, almost five years 498 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: in fact, from when she was just five when she 499 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: first joined her foster family. All was good. For the 500 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: first year, it was great. I mean it was like 501 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: the dream house. The Christmas was awesome. I mean we 502 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: went to Disneyland like every month. But then everything changed. 503 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: Everything changed, all right, take a listen to more. Cynthia's 504 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: foster mother received thousands of dollars to pay for her care. 505 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: But eventually I just went out of control. I was 506 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: put inside a cage, a homemade cage, native plywood, just 507 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: five feet by four feet, built in a basement with 508 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: a wire mesh window. On the inside. There was a 509 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: bed and there was like a latch, so you couldn't 510 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: like get out. She remembers being kept on the edge 511 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: of starvation. I was only allowed to eat raw eggs 512 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: with vegetable oil, and it was disgusting. She remembers hot 513 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: sauce put in her eyes and other forms of torture. 514 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: She put my hand on the stove and left it 515 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: like you know, it was like pushing it down. And 516 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: that mother was getting thousands of dollars every month to 517 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: take care of these children. And this child was locked 518 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: in the cage in a basement for five years, her 519 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: hand being forced onto a hot What mind of a 520 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: freak can even do that? To doctor Angela Arnold or 521 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: now psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. What 522 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: kind of mind would put a child's hand on a 523 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: hot stove or put them in a change in abasement. Well, Nancy, 524 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: the worst thing is and we don't and we're not 525 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: going to blame this on mental illness because there's evil. 526 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: I didn't even ask that there's evil without mental illness, okay. 527 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: And oftentimes, oftentimes the perpetrators of this type of abuse 528 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: are playing They could be playing out a type of 529 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: abuse that they've suffered in the past. The child could 530 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: remind them of someone and they're not getting caught, and 531 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: so they're just escalating their abuse that they're playing out 532 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: through this child. But they could very well be playing 533 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: out things that are going through their own mind that 534 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: they may have suffered through this child, or they are 535 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: just completely evil and they get some sort of pleasure 536 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: out of watching this abuse. Let me understand something. Robert 537 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: Farley joined me former detective Cook County Shares Department expertise 538 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: child exploitation doctor Angela Arnold. When I asked what kind 539 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: of it's my fault? I asked the question, okay, rule 540 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: number one, don't ask a question you don't know the 541 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: answer to. But see that's for in court. And the 542 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: answer I got Robert Farley is somehow the parents the 543 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: guardian may be living out something that happened to them 544 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: through the child. Do I care, Robert Farley? Do I 545 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: care why they're doing it? The answer is no. That's 546 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: a tip to you. The answer is no, don't care 547 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: why an adult is mistreating a child this way till 548 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 1: they die? You know the ans some of the cases 549 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: that I had with arresting people who've killed children in 550 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: that I just claim they're just bully. They're just bad, bad, 551 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: bad people. As you're talking though, about these kids being 552 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: caged from an invest the data point of view, what 553 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: I would be looking for also is evidence of restraints 554 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: and binding because oftentimes these kids are, you mentioned, like 555 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: in the cage, bound to a bed. So I would 556 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: look for restraint marks on their risks. I look for 557 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 1: restraint learns on their ankles. I would look for bruising 558 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: as a result of the kids being kagged is during 559 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: they're pretty much tortured. I mean, I can think of 560 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: a fellow that you know, six foot three, two hundred 561 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: and thirty pounds, you know, murder and nineteen month old 562 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: baby was doing body slams with the baby, and the 563 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: stuff you see on the wrestling things on that, I mean, 564 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: this is a monster. You know what's interesting about what 565 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: you just said, Robert Farley, You're absolutely correct in my 566 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: mind and my lay person mind. Again, I'm not a shrink, 567 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: but there's a difference in losing all impulse control and 568 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: hitting your kid, which of course is murder one. And 569 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: they can rotten hill as opposed to a systematic not 570 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: after night after night, day after day after day, leaving 571 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: your child, your baby in a cage outdoors in twenty 572 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: eight degree temperature. And I don't even know what to 573 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 1: call those neighbors who knew it was happening and did nothing. 574 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 1: And here's another example. Take a listen our cut thirty 575 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 1: two not just one, but two children in a cage. 576 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: Favors saw the couple living there outside fighting and a 577 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: short time later, deputies responding to a nine on one 578 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: call that the woman made showed up at the house 579 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: after a report of domestic violence and a window being 580 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: broken out. While the deputies were talking to the male 581 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: and the female, they hurt children inside the house. Once 582 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: deputes were inside, the discovery was heartbreaking. The youngest ones 583 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: appeared to be malnourished and were unclothed. Their two older 584 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: children were locked inside a dog kunnel and in Racine, 585 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: Ore Cut thirty four. It happens all over the country. 586 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: Here's wis in about the same nitions and race s Wisconsin. Listen. 587 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: The Racine County sheriff says it is one of the 588 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: most disturbing cases of child abuse he has ever seen. 589 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: A nine year old girl locked in a dog cage. 590 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: The girl recently told her teacher at school, who told authorities. 591 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: The sheriff tells twelve News they arrested two caregivers pictured there. 592 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: They say the girl was forced to stay in the 593 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: cage for up to twelve hours a day, including at 594 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: night and on weekends. Twenty three years of law enforcement, 595 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: I have yet to see something like this. I needed 596 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 1: to see it for myself and I was taken back. 597 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,760 Speaker 1: It was a shock that people actually treat a child 598 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: like this. It was one of the most disturbing things 599 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: I have witnessed in law enforcement. Living in a cage. 600 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 1: And of course will never forget the case of little Adrian, 601 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: at least I won't. I won't go through all the 602 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: torture inflicted on him. But in our cut and from 603 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: kh SMB, you see his enclosure was in a lot 604 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: shower stall. Listen. The abuse began with Adrian standing for 605 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 1: hours at a time with his hands in the air, 606 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: but quickly escalates. They'd strap them to inversion tables or 607 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,320 Speaker 1: make them stand outside all night or in the cold 608 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: holding tiki torches. Why are you doing that? Please just 609 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: stop at Jack, I can't even hear anymore. Okay, you 610 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: were hearing Adrian's voice before his death. The step mother 611 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 1: would video all of our torture, beat and starved locked 612 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: in a lock shower stall until he died. In this 613 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: case that we're covering right now out of North Carolina, 614 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: the silver lining is that the boy lived. I'm going 615 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: to count on doctor Hess and doctor Angie Arnold to 616 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 1: describe the life long repercussions this will inflict upon him. 617 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: But just so you know, here's a resolution. Take a 618 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: listen hour cut seven. Our friends at WFMY. You see 619 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: something in your neighborhood involving children, whatever, say something to us. 620 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't isolated case this come. This has probably been 621 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: going on some and the importance we want is for you, 622 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: the public, to get involved and help us. All three 623 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: people who are charging this case made their first court 624 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: appearance this morning. A judge raised all three of their bonds. 625 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: The father and stepmother their bond was increased to one 626 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, and the child's aunt, Shelley Barnes, her 627 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: bond was increased to three hundred thousand dollars and she 628 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,720 Speaker 1: is also facing drug and weapons charges. Too. Doctor free 629 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,760 Speaker 1: and has from pedemom dot com what type of long 630 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: term ailments will afflict this boy? So it depends on 631 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,800 Speaker 1: what his core temperature was once he was actually found. 632 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: You can have some organ damage, but even more peripheribly 633 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: because you end up shunting your blood, meaning try and 634 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: get your blood more to the core to take care 635 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 1: of your important organs. You can get frostbites on fingers 636 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: toes knows the essentially any of your parts of your extremity, 637 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: which if severe enough, can require an amputation. Now I 638 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: don't know if that was the case with him, but 639 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:13,280 Speaker 1: considering what we've already known, if not a possibility already, 640 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 1: it definitely could have been had he been left there. 641 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 1: And doctor Andy Arnold, there's more to this case. Because 642 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 1: this North Carolina boy found in a lot to in 643 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: a phrasing dog kennel, seen in a cage as a baby, 644 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: he was erased from family photos and sent to quote 645 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: live outside by his father, stepmother, and aunt. Can he 646 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 1: ever surmount the emotional and psychological damage? Ever? I really 647 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: don't think. You know, Nancy, it's said, but I don't 648 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: think that he can. First of all, he may have, 649 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: as doctor Hester said, he may have suffered brain damage 650 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 1: from from the torture that he was, the torture that 651 00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: was heaped upon him. But Nancy, this is such a 652 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: such a form of abandonment. So the child hasn't he 653 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: stopped his development at some point, he stopped his normal development. 654 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: He hasn't reached his normal milestones, He has no attachment 655 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: to anyone, and then that all has to you know, 656 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 1: when you've missed these things, when a child is developing 657 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,799 Speaker 1: at their core, oftentimes you can't get them back. And 658 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: this is also so severe. I also wonder, doctor Angie, 659 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: how come no one missed him at school? Oh? I 660 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: wonder that if my children are even late, I get 661 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,720 Speaker 1: an email at eight twenty am, your child is tardy. 662 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: It's not a very nice email either, as it is 663 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't be so what They didn't even know the child 664 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: and just quit coming to school. I can't wait to 665 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: see whose head is gonna roll. A silver platter is 666 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: too good for these heads once they're chopped off. So 667 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: we've got Nathan Star. Let's name them the victim's father 668 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: thirty two years old, Sarah Starr forty year old, victim's stepmother, 669 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: and Shelley Barnes, the evil at age fifty six. These 670 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 1: charges are not enough. This is attempted murder. The tip 671 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: line if you have any information or which just want 672 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: to give input like I do for the Davidson County 673 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office is three three six two four two twenty 674 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: one hundred repeat three three six two two twenty one hundred. Sadly, 675 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: I can't prosecute the neighbors who stood by and let 676 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: it happen. We wait as justice un false. Goodbye friend,