1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Legendary author Jane Levy is here. She has written biographies 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: on Babe Ruth, Sandy Kofax, Mickey Mantle, and this next 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: one that just came out is called Make Me Commissioner. 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: I know what's wrong with baseball and how to fix it. 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 2: Jane. Great to have you on. I love the book 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: cover there. What do you got? 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 3: How are you? 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you? You got a prop for us? 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: A little show and tell I do. 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 3: I do have a little prop for you. Let's see 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 3: you see it? 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 4: Ooh? 13 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: I like that. 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 3: They put it on the wrong part of the ball. 15 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: It's like you want to change the game, Jane. 16 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's true, change the game. So you're absolutely right, 17 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: we'll start commissioner. 18 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: Yep, you got the baseball like that right, it's in 19 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: a new spot. 20 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: And then what's your first move as commissioner? 21 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: All kids tend and under get in free. 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: Whoo. 23 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 4: I got no problem with that, thank you. It's a 24 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 4: good one. Why not? 25 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: Why not? 26 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 4: Why not? I mean because they're going to stick around 27 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 4: for life. 28 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: Exactly. And if grandpa or your grandma or mom or 29 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: dad or whoever brings you, you're gonna they're gonna buy 30 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 3: you a coke and they're gonna buy you a hot 31 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: dog and a cotton candy and a cap at a minimum. 32 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: So I had an economist run these numbers using the 33 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: Cubs numbers from twenty twenty three. If they did that 34 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: for kids five through twelve, even more kids than I 35 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: was figuring, it would have cost the Cubs all of 36 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 3: four million dollars that year. And as you well know, 37 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 3: they also paid Jason Hayward twenty one million dollars that 38 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: year to play for the Dodgers. So I think they 39 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: can manage us. 40 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 4: Why don't they do it? Why don't they do it? 41 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: Everything has been monetized in baseball, absolutely everything, and I 42 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: think that alienates a lot of fans. I mean, besides which, 43 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: a lot of people cannot pay eighteen dollars for a beer, 44 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 3: right I You know, it gets the how do you think? 45 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: How do you start to think out of the box 46 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: when you've thought in the box for so long? This guy, 47 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 3: the same economist, told me that there's something called path dependence, 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: which is an idea in economics which means once you 49 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: start down a path, you know, you just keep doing 50 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: it even when you know what's wrong, because you're scared 51 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: to change. Like in the when GM and all the 52 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: car manufacturers in the seventies, when the Japanese started making 53 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 3: small cars with great mileage, what did the US manufacturers do? 54 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 3: They kept doing what they were doing. And baseball has 55 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 3: just kept doing what it was doing until it instituted 56 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: the new rules in twenty twenty three, which took forever 57 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 3: for them to do because people were so traumatized by 58 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: the DH. 59 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: I have a follow to this, So on the money side, 60 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm with you, but I could see baseball's answer as well. 61 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: NFL doesn't like kids in free, NBA doesn't like kids 62 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: in free, NHL doesn't like kids in free for the year, 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: So why would we do that? Why do we have 64 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: to do that? So what do you think the answer 65 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: back to that would be? And do you think that 66 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: baseball still believes that it is the top dog in 67 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: terms of sports out there and that they should be 68 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: either leading the pack or at least doing what other 69 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: leagues are doing, like the NFL. 70 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: Have you looked at the upper decks in most regular 71 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: season games lately? They're empty, vast swaths of empty seats. 72 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: You tell me that it's better to leave them empty 73 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: and pan them and say, oh, nobody's going to the game, 74 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 3: then to fill them up with kids, right. I fundamentally 75 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: believe that baseball has a problem of too much inventory 76 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: and too many games. Now, they're not going to change 77 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: the number of games unless they do the Rob Manfred's reconfiguration, 78 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 3: which might force them to come back down, and if 79 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: they had more franchises still, but in the meantime, they 80 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 3: have the seats empty. I asked Mike Rizzo about this 81 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: before the Nationals decided to let go of him, and 82 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: he said, fill it up, fill it up. And then 83 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: he paused and he said, of course it doesn't include 84 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 3: parking in alcohol, right, So I said, no, no parking 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: in alcohol. 86 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: But what's going to change it? How is it going 87 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 4: to change? Is it your book? Is it the fact 88 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: that every owner you put them in a lineup and 89 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 4: they all look the same, so they all think the 90 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 4: same and they're all the same, just like bl blah 91 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah. Uh, they're taking away minor 92 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 4: league baseball. So small town America doesn't even know what 93 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 4: baseball looks like now unless you buy a cable for 94 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 4: your regional sports network that's blacked out. What is going 95 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 4: to be the main what's going to be the biggest 96 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 4: change that will make an overarching change to make baseball 97 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 4: America's pastime again. Me, okay, besides your book. 98 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 3: Ground well grounds, Well, uh, honestly, I think you know 99 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: they they've bragged in the last two years about increase 100 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: in UH seats sold and in a decrease in the 101 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 3: age of them. They've made some inroads. I don't think 102 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: it's realistic to think baseball is going to be the 103 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 3: American the national pastime again the way it was. Nobody 104 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: can have exclusive domain in a media world where seasons 105 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: of overlap and broadcasts overlap. I mean, the NBA goes 106 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: till June, right, so h and NFL sorry, exhibition games 107 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 3: starting in August. Baseball used to have the season to themselves, 108 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 3: and it's not going to happen again. So get used 109 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 3: to that, don't expect it again, and start trying to 110 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 3: do other things. Jim Cott, who I'm sure you guys know, 111 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 3: he actually advocates shortening the season to Memorial Day to 112 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: Labor Day, really reducing the number of games, giving baseball 113 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: purchase on a segment of time when they really could dominate. 114 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: I'm not ready to go there with that yet. He's also, 115 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 3: you know, up for seven inning games, which I'm not 116 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: up for either. But the numbers of fans have increased 117 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: in twenty you know, when the rules came into twenty 118 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: twenty three, they got a bump of ten ten percent higher. 119 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: Last year it was one percent higher. That's a nice number, 120 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: but you know what it costs to have a kid 121 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: play baseball these days. It's more expensive to play baseball 122 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 3: than it is to participate in any other sport now, 123 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 3: so they need to start making baseball accessible. I think 124 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: cutting the minor leagues, I agree with you completely was 125 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: a disaster. How are small market teams supposed to compete 126 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: When you cut yourself off from grassroots talent and grassroots fans, 127 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 3: you're basically saying you're not important to me. And they 128 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: need to make fans feel important again. 129 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 4: Jane, you mentioned the access and all that, but hasn't 130 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 4: this been a Major League Baseball problem forever? Like they 131 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 4: don't give access to their players. I know when I 132 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 4: go do a game, I'm going to do a game tomorrow. 133 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 4: I walk in the locker and there's not one player 134 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 4: in there. They know the exact time the media is 135 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 4: in there and they all run and high, so you 136 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 4: can't talk to ever talk to the players. It's hard 137 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 4: to find coaches. I'm lucky because I work at Fox. 138 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 4: We get fifteen minutes at the manager. But if even 139 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 4: when I walk on the field to try to grab 140 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 4: some guys, not everybody takes VP or not, so you 141 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 4: don't get to talk to people. And then the fans 142 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 4: don't get to hear from the stars, and they don't 143 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 4: get to hear not forget the stars, from the twenty 144 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 4: six guy that's on the roster, who you know might 145 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 4: be the favorite of some kid who saw him come 146 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 4: to the one game and get a hit. How does 147 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 4: major League Baseball changes. I'm a big proponent and listen 148 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 4: as a player, the media was the media. I knew 149 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 4: they had a job to do. I would take my 150 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 4: questions and move on. But there has to be Is 151 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 4: there a way. I know it has to be collectively bargained, 152 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 4: But for five minutes three to three oh five, everybody 153 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 4: has to be in their locker for five minutes, guys, 154 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 4: because they always schedule their meetings. If you look now, 155 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 4: the meetings are always scheduled right when the media is 156 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 4: in the room. How do we change this? 157 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think it has to be 158 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: in the next CBA, which, as we all know, because 159 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 3: Rob Manford went to spring training and announced there's going 160 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: to be a lockout on December second, twenty twenty six. 161 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: It has to be negotiated. Players need to understand that 162 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 3: the estrangement between the players and their fans is a 163 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: profound issue. You want to know what this is. Stands 164 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 3: are empty. That's why the stands are empty, because nobody 165 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: feels a connection. And partly that's also because analytics have 166 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: conspired against the great individual feats that used to be 167 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: a reason to come to the ballpark. I talked to 168 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 3: David Roberts just this weekend about again about the Clayton 169 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: Kershaw perfect game. When they take Clayton Kershaw out after 170 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 3: seven perfect innings. The guy is the best left handed 171 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: pitcher of his generation, who's done everything else. But you 172 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 3: know the rule is he's got to come out right, 173 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 3: so he comes out. I understand why Davey did what 174 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: he did, but what if the headline the next day 175 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: was not Clayton Kershaw removed from a perfect game, but 176 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: instead this guy who hadn't pitched since maybe October first, 177 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 3: he couldn't pitch in the playoffs in twenty twenty one, 178 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: you know, comes out and throws a perfect game. That's 179 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 3: a reason to go to the ballpark. And if analytics 180 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 3: keeps subverting the accomplishments that you know individuals can make, 181 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: you know, it gives you no reason to come. Do 182 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 3: I want to go see? You know, a parade of 183 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 3: relief pictures I've never heard of who will be gone 184 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: in a week anyway, because they'll tell her their ucl 185 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: and somebody else will come and take their place. No, 186 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: I really don't want to see that. Five point two 187 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 3: innings per start is just not a lot of fun 188 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: to watch anyway. 189 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: Hey, if you're a card collector or you're looking to collect, buy, sell, trade, 190 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: Arena clubs the spot I'm going to tell you why 191 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: because the old process AJA was very clunky. 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It is truly the best spot to 209 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 4: get cards. 210 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: Twenty percent off your first slab pack or card purchase 211 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: can be had right now at arenaclub dot com. Slash 212 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 1: foul and use code foul. 213 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 4: What's the coolest idea anybody gave you in writing this book, which, 214 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 4: by the way, we have the same literary agents. 215 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: I know we do. Mister Black, mister David Black. He's 216 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: a terror, isn't he? 217 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 4: He's delicious. 218 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 3: The craziest idea Johnny Gome said, buy Little Leak. Major 219 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 3: League Baseball should buy Little League, which maybe isn't as 220 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: crazy as it sounds. You know, the fundamentals I say 221 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: it are lacking today. What if you could get former 222 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 3: players to come out and teach clinics at Little League, 223 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 3: or manage clinics, or or run the league for God's sake, 224 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 3: and actually show kids why and how it could be fun. 225 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: Major League Baseball, compared to football, has done a lousy 226 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: job of scaling the game down to a little kid's size. 227 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: You know, the football they have little, tiny little fields 228 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: and tiny little footballs to play with. You know, they 229 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: haven't made it user friendly for six year olds. Yeah, 230 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: there's t ball, but you know, even they know that's 231 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: not real. So they have to find a way to 232 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: show the joy. And if players don't want to share that, 233 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 3: then it's not going to get better. I totally agree. 234 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: But my crazy idea what you got. 235 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: Prease the pitching staff to fifteen. Have a healthy scratch 236 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 3: list like in the NHL. You put your starter from 237 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: yesterday who's not going to pitch the next day on 238 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 3: this healthy scratch list, and your two most beat up, 239 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 3: overused relievers give them a blow, as they like to 240 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 3: say in the sports section, and bring two other guys. 241 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 3: Make it a fluid so that you have a sort 242 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: of a rolling pitching staff. But you have fifteen altogether, 243 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: the money you're gonna save on Tommy John surgeries will 244 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: pay their salaries. But you only have eleven to use 245 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: in each game, and that will force managers to start 246 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 3: to use pitchers and develop pitchers who go if not 247 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: the distance at least more than a token distance. 248 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: Well, wouldn't they have more optionality if they add that 249 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: it's the bullpen game or no. 250 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: No, they will no, because it's you start the game. 251 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 3: Each game you designate which eleven pitchers are available that day. 252 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 3: Manager gets to decide that or the general manager whoever's 253 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 3: pulling the strings. But you get to rest some guys, 254 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: You get to give them a blow as you guys know, 255 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: you know, going max heave to get ready to pitch 256 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: and then not get called in is also you know 257 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: that those pitches count? Don't you call them dry humps? 258 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 3: I think yes, yes, you know. Steve Howe gave way 259 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: back in the day, gave Buck Showalter hell for that. 260 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: So in James MLB, you don't pitch two days in 261 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: a row, and you don't warm up in the bullpen 262 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: like that two days in a row. You can't root 263 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 3: for guys who aren't there, and when every time you 264 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: lose another important starting pitcher around whom a team is 265 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: supposedly built, there's less reason to root. Why do you 266 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: want to go see? Oh, I don't know who's the 267 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: worst spot starter I've seen last year. I can't think 268 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: of who that might be because there have been so many 269 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: of them. But give guys a chance to heal, give 270 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: them a chance to be actual pitchers whose ligaments don't 271 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: tear like cheap Christmas wrapping paper, which is what's happening. 272 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 3: There's been sixty more guys added to the list of 273 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 3: Tommy john or recoverers this season, and ten more who've 274 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 3: had internal braces, and I think there were two more 275 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: just last night. I mean, you've got a plague here, 276 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: and it's attacking the essence. It's not just attacking the 277 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: health of a particular guy in a particular arm. It's 278 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: attacking the health of the game because it's removing a 279 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: reason to root, a reason to go out to the ballpark. 280 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: When's the last time he went out to see a match? 281 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 3: Maybe and bump butter. I mean, you know, eleven times 282 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: between two thousand and twenty thirteen. I think you know 283 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 3: that was a reason to go to the ballpark. 284 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: There's been a few good matchups, but in general, there's 285 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 4: not a lot of it. And this would definitely help 286 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 4: with health because guys wouldn't be as text. But I'm 287 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 4: gonna disagree with you because if you want to see 288 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 4: this kind of baseball, go down to the DR because 289 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 4: that's exactly how It's exactly how they do their innings 290 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: and how they build their rosters. And I've seen triple 291 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 4: barrels down in the DR where they have two lefties 292 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 4: warming up and a righty and alrighty getting hot too, 293 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 4: so because they're gonna throw, and then the next day 294 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 4: they're not on the active roster. They don't have to 295 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 4: travel to Lese, they don't have to travel to Escohido. 296 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 4: So it's it's one of those things that anytime you 297 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 4: give teams more pitcher, they're gonna burn him out even 298 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 4: more so I think the health would help, but we 299 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: can't give him more pictures. Sorry, Jane, I don't agree 300 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 4: with you on that one. 301 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 3: Then how do you protect the arms? What would you 302 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 3: do if you can't use more than eleven in a game, 303 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 3: you're going to have to use them in a very 304 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: different way. That resembles how you staffed a game years ago. 305 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 3: You're going to make a starting pitcher who can go 306 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: a distance. I was fascinated because I'm talking to Davy 307 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: about Davy Roberts, about Kershaw and rich Hill and the 308 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 3: games he pulled him out of, the perfect games he 309 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: pulled him out of. And then it was the next 310 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 3: night that he let Yamamoto go all the way to 311 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 3: the night And of course it ended badly for the 312 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: Dodgers and Yamamoto, but that game was great for baseball. 313 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: I mean, that was fabulous for baseball. And Davy said 314 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 3: the next day I wanted to it for him. I 315 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: wanted it bad And we need more of that. 316 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to follow storylines. I'm with you, all right, 317 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: So one more from the book and then for the rest, 318 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: we're not giving it away. 319 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 2: You gotta go grab a copy. I'm all in on this. 320 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: We talk about league issues all the time, and don't 321 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: hold back one of the few independent platforms out there 322 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: show Wise that can do this. But my question for 323 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: you is you got to spend some time with Morgan 324 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: Sword right, who works at the League office. You had 325 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: some combos with him, So what was that like? And 326 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: the reason I asked about him specifically, is that here 327 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: through the grapevine that he might be the next commissioner 328 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 1: of baseball. So what are we getting ourselves into. I've 329 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: spent a little bit of time with him as well. 330 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: I know he's super into numbers and analytics, But what 331 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: was your experience like? 332 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 3: I think I saw some of his heart and some 333 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: of his the humanist in him, and that really was 334 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 3: maybe the most hopeful thing I saw, because if I'm 335 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 3: not commissioner, I think maybe he should be. He talked 336 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 3: about living in an age where the idea that you 337 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: can know everything has become a kind of mania. Why 338 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 3: do we need to know everything? Why do we have 339 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 3: to presume that we can figure down to figure out 340 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 3: to ninety nine point nine percent who's the best person 341 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: to send up to bat. I think that's a fallacy. 342 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 3: I think that kind of control, particularly in baseball, where 343 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 3: so many things are at play in any given moment, 344 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: is a bad way to go. Analytics can tell you 345 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 3: what's going to happen nine times out of ten, or 346 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: what has happened nine times out of ten. It cannot 347 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 3: tell you what will happen in that tenth moment, whether 348 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 3: there'll be midges, on the mound in Cleveland, or sunlight 349 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 3: in Willie Davis's eyes at Chavez Ravine, or RAJ Davis, 350 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: who hit all of twelve home runs in twenty sixteen, 351 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: is going to come hit a home run in Cleveland 352 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 3: and tie Game seven of the World Series. That's what 353 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 3: makes baseball great, and that's what makes it. You can't 354 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 3: completely game it. Joe Torre said, they're trying to make 355 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 3: an imperfect game perfect, and I resent it. Well, I agree, 356 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: I resent it too, And I also think it's a 357 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 3: false god. I don't think it makes for interest, and 358 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: I don't think it's doable. 359 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm with you. Well, I'm excited to 360 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: get more in. Uh make me commissioner. I know what's 361 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: wrong with baseball and how to fix it out now 362 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: the great Jane Levy joining us. 363 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: Thank you for the time. This was great. 364 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: Bad hair day. I'm really sorry. I well, thank you, great, well, 365 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 3: thank you very well. 366 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: We'll get our we'll get our expert aerk Kratz. 367 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 3: Oh crats. Yeah, you look good. 368 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 4: Thank you. 369 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: There's somebody who really can do the ball thing with 370 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: the beard. Other guys they just look old. 371 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: So well, Jane, you nailed it. 372 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us. It was great 373 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: to talk to you. 374 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me talk to you again. 375 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: Hey, here we go. 376 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: Brooke Lozinski joining us right now on FT making her 377 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: debut here. You can follow her at Brook Noseball and 378 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: Nice and Simple here. How do we know Brooke, Well, 379 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: we see her video explainers on Instagram about some stats 380 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: that we're going to get into. So first off, Brook, 381 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: great to have you on and thanks for putting together 382 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: some cool content. 383 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 5: How you doing, I'm doing great. 384 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 6: You guys just saw me jamming out to that little 385 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 6: segue music in between. 386 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on. I'm super excited. 387 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: Of course, that's what we do at the beginning of 388 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: every show. 389 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into some stats because I 390 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: want to enlighten krats and ajs. So can we start 391 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: with your video on v slug what that is and 392 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: to help explain to them why it is a better 393 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: determining fact actor of who's actually making an impact in games. 394 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely so. 395 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 6: V slug was created essentially as a way to segue 396 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 6: ourself into VopS right now. Ops it mixes on base 397 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 6: ability and slugging, but VopS, it says, sure, that's fine, 398 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 6: but who's actually hitting the ball and producing runs? So 399 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 6: it uses v slug volume slugging to reward players who 400 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 6: consistently hit rather than just walk. So the actual stat 401 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 6: itself is for volume slugging is slugging times hits divided 402 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 6: by games. And the point was just basically to suggest 403 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 6: that one Sodo, for instance, should be more aggressive at 404 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 6: the plate. And honestly, wild enough, since v slug video 405 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 6: came out, I think we've seen the best version of him. 406 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 6: But you know, causation doesn't necesarissarily mean correlation right there. 407 00:22:53,119 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 4: So watching your video, how you doing? Okay? So, but 408 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 4: who who in that list when when they came when 409 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 4: they come up with that stat what would surprise you, 410 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 4: because that's something that we have talked about all the time. 411 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 4: I'm sure Joey Vado would be on the same on 412 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 4: the same list, like sometimes you have to go outside 413 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 4: of your zone, which is the best zone discipline of 414 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 4: anybody in the big leagues and get that RBI. But 415 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 4: who is who is somebody that surprises you that? WHOA, Yeah, 416 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 4: there's there's some value in that. 417 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 5: Yeah. I really have an affinity towards Boboshit. 418 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 6: I think that he's really aggressive with his approach, and 419 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 6: that's kind of why this stat I'm not gonna say 420 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 6: it was made for him specifically, but it's made to 421 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 6: promote players like him that are more aggressive at the plate, 422 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 6: and we take their volume into account in addition to 423 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 6: their slugging percentage. 424 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: Hey, Brook, I remember in the video you talked about 425 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: someone in the nineties who would have really enjoyed a stat. 426 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: I think I've got it. Do you want to say 427 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: the name? I think AJ might like the name. 428 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, that would be Jeff Bagwell ring any bells, 429 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 6: Carlo Stilgato perhaps. 430 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 4: Who should be in the Hall of Fame. Also, yeah, exactly. 431 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 432 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 6: So essentially, with like the SAT, like vslug to give 433 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 6: you a little bit more context into it. So with OPS, 434 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 6: we're seeing it treating walks and hits almost equally nowadays, 435 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 6: and it's great for showing overall offensive efficiency. I'm not 436 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 6: going to discount that whatsoever, but I think what can 437 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 6: happen is it can overrate passive hitters who draw a 438 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 6: lot of walks. So with v OPS, it's, as I mentioned, 439 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 6: that's built on v slug. This SAT in that video, 440 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 6: and it's measuring how slugging volume a player can actually 441 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 6: produce per game. So we're putting more weights on hits, 442 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 6: which I think is the hardest thing to do in baseball, 443 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 6: operating players who look similar in ops by who's showing 444 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 6: or by showing who's a real run producer? 445 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: Brook I think I also remember Albert Bell Got Some Love? 446 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 4: Yeah? 447 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 2: Was it in that video? Yeah? 448 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: In the nineties, Albert Bell was mentioned too, right as 449 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: somebody that would do damage but then also would make 450 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: sure that he's not wasting away pitches that are close 451 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: enough in a situation where he was relied on to 452 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: drive in a run. 453 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 2: So does Albert Bell play into this as well? 454 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean definitely. 455 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 6: And I think what I always appreciated about Albert Bell 456 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 6: is that he's a baptaball hitter. 457 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 5: He was an extra bit. 458 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 6: Monster and like the kind that you want batting third 459 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 6: to drive runners in. 460 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to take us to the next 461 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: stad here, impact slugging percentage. 462 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: What do you have for a saw on that one? 463 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 5: Yeah? 464 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 6: So impact slugging percentage, I would say, is like your 465 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 6: modern RBI stat. It's basically says not all total bases 466 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 6: are created equal and The problem with standard slugging that 467 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 6: we're seeing is that traditional slugging percentage only counts the 468 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 6: batter's own bases. So like a solo home run is 469 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 6: weighted equally as a grand slam. 470 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 5: But you and I both know, of course that that's 471 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 5: not the same. 472 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 6: A solo home run you have four total bases, whereas 473 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 6: a grand slam is only accounted for for total bases, 474 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 6: even though you're really driving in ten. So it's ignoring 475 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 6: the actual impact of the swing on the game. And 476 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 6: what impact slugging does differently is that it counts not 477 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 6: only the batter's total bases, but also the advancement of 478 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 6: runners already on base. I could go into examples and everything, 479 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 6: but just to kind of give you an overview of 480 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 6: what that is trying to convey. 481 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 4: Then you want a bunch of fast guys hitting in 482 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 4: front of you, is what it seems like, because then 483 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 4: if you hit a single and they go first to third, 484 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 4: it adds. You know, you get a bunch of slow 485 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 4: guys in front of you and they don't score on 486 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 4: that double. You're like, dude, you're you're costing me in 487 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 4: my in my new stats. 488 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 5: Exactly, and I, oh, sorry. 489 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 4: No, No, I was gonna say, this seems like a 490 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 4: way to measure clutch, and people say, you can't measure clutch, 491 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 4: but this seems like a good stat. Do not necessarily 492 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 4: measure up, but at least it goes in the right track. 493 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 6: Yes, And for instance, like we see Otany a lot 494 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 6: in the leadoff position, but I this stat basically says 495 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 6: he might be better in your three hole position because 496 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 6: you have a thirty to we'll just say a thirty 497 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 6: percent chance of him having a runner on base, and 498 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 6: so those home runs that we all know that he's 499 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 6: so great at it has more value if he's in 500 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 6: a three hole as opposed to the leadoff. 501 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 4: How much do you think numbers like this could help 502 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 4: a player in free agency because a lot of what 503 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 4: numbers are, especially in arbitration. AJ went through arbitration. They 504 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 4: sit there and they go, well, actually, you weren't very 505 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 4: good at this, and you could say, well, actually, these numbers, 506 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 4: these numbers. It may not help an arbitration because that's 507 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 4: normally just home run RBI and games played. But how 508 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 4: much more is this going to get into our vernacular 509 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 4: because now on scoreboards we only see the ops at 510 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 4: some stadiums. It used to always just be batting average. Yeah. 511 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think it could definitely help players like bo 512 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 6: as I mentioned, And it also takes us back to 513 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 6: an older approach, you know, like players from the nineties. 514 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 6: And I think this basically gives players another arsenal to 515 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 6: show their value or showcase their value, whereas right now 516 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 6: we're currently just focusing, like what you said on ops, 517 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 6: this allows us to show how that they how they 518 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 6: can better a team as a whole. How they're looking 519 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 6: at more of like that old school approach to baseball. 520 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 6: And it's a modern way to make these classics stuff, 521 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 6: to make classic stats relevant. 522 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: Again. 523 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: Well, Brook, this is really good stuff and you can 524 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: check out more of these videos to get explanations on 525 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: the stats that we're discussing here at brook nos Ball 526 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I see the page right now, Jerry Seinfeld said, 527 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld follows you a big Mets fan, so I'm 528 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: sure that's pretty cool. And he's into some of the 529 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: stats A're throwing out there. 530 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: How did you come up with this stuff? 531 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: And you know, when you look at the modern game 532 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: right now, clearly you're smart, right You're coming up with 533 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: a stat we always say, hey, we got to come 534 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: up with other stats, and you've actually got it and 535 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: done the work. So when you were looking at the 536 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: stats that were being valued, now, you know, it's interesting 537 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: to hear someone who's obviously young and a big fan 538 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: of the sports say, yeah, I like some of the 539 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,479 Speaker 1: advanced stats, but I think we should create some others 540 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: to make sure we're valuing what is actually important, which 541 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: is winning games. 542 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 6: Well, first of all, thank you, that's a huge compliment, 543 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 6: especially coming from this team right here, And when Jerry Seinfeld. 544 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 5: Followed, I almost fell out of my chair. 545 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 6: That shows me that I was going in the right direction, 546 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 6: it seems, and I think it definitely came from his 547 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 6: Mets fandom. 548 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 5: But I think modern stats got out of control. 549 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 6: Especially if you're a new fan approaching baseball, it gets 550 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 6: very confusing, It gets a little bit muddled, and you're 551 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 6: not really sure what's going on. 552 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 5: So this is essentially a way to shed light on. 553 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 6: Classic concepts where you can't make new fans understand old 554 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 6: school arguments. It's the way that I like to explain 555 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 6: it in simple terms, is because I keep saying I 556 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 6: like more of a traditional baseball approach. However, it's like 557 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 6: your parents saying, well, back in my day, you don't 558 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 6: really want to hear that. So instead myself and I 559 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 6: actually I do have a production partner that helps me, 560 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 6: and honestly, I think his brain is far more analytical 561 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 6: than mine, and I get a lot of education from him, 562 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 6: and we work on these stats together to essentially create 563 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 6: something that can talk to your modern analytical fan but 564 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 6: bring them back to more of that old school approach. 565 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 6: So it's just like a revised old school mentality to 566 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 6: the game. 567 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 4: Of all the videos that you put out, what's the 568 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 4: best reaction that you've gotten from the videos? 569 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 6: I think it kind of depends on what your fandom 570 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 6: is for baseball. So if you are more of this 571 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 6: analytical fan, then by far, of course it's been vislug impacts, 572 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 6: lugging WIP. But the thing that I think had more 573 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 6: of a broader response, and to me it was very touching, 574 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 6: was the Tyler Skaggs. 575 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 5: Video that I did. 576 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 6: I got deeply emotional responses that left people were saying 577 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 6: that they were left in tears. And for those that 578 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 6: may not have seen the video, it's essentially the story 579 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 6: of the game that followed his passing and it was 580 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 6: a game that's nearly impossible. His mother was throwing perfect 581 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 6: ceremonial for perfect ceremonial. First pitch Mike Trout. Mike Trout 582 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 6: got a first inning homer, the no hitter that Angels pitched. 583 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 6: It is kind of it's kind of funny because I 584 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 6: think sometimes real life is stranger than fiction, and this 585 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 6: was definitely one of those times. And the responses that 586 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 6: I was getting, both from you know, DM's comments, et cetera, 587 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 6: was it deeply resonated with people and was very profound 588 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 6: to witness. 589 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 2: That is a good way to put it. 590 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: If there was a movie and they were like and 591 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: in the game they honored him, there was a no hitter, 592 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: people would be like, Ah, that's that's made up, that's fake, 593 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: that doesn't actually happen. And it really did happen. That's 594 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: very cool. Well, Brooke, thanks for stopping by. We'd love 595 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: to have you back sometime. Love what you're doing, uh 596 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: and glad that we discovered your content. 597 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: Keep doing your thing. Thanks for joining us. 598 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much. It's been a pleasure and 599 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 5: honor to be here, and I have to speak with 600 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 5: you all again soon.