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We're in Chicago. 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: It is the Herd wherever you may be, however you 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: may be listening or watching, whatever the platform, Thanks for 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: making us part of your day. Sean McDermott, a very 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: good football coach, has been dismissed the Buffalo Bill's tenth team, 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: a third of the league, tenth team looking for a 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: head coach, and I think when you have Josh Allen, 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: it's okay to demand greatness. Bill Walsh, Andy Reid, Jimmy Johnson, 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. Josh Allen's a quarterback. They can win not one, 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: not two, but three Super Bowls. McDermott's a good man 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,919 Speaker 1: and a good coach. But the Bills kept finding ways 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: to lose. The thirteen second loss to Kansas City Saturday, 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: there's five turnovers in bo Nicks up and down the 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: field three hundred plus yards. I mean there was the 23 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: tush push last year. They couldn't get that right. The 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: last three years Buffalo has lost fourth quarter leads in 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: all games. All of their losses they lost fourth quarter leads. 26 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: It was time not quite buttoned up. The general manager, 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: in my opinion, Brandon Bean more of a cap guy 28 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: than a personnel guy, hasn't done McDermott any favors. The 29 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: wide receiver corp is mostly anemic. There are no Pro 30 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: bowlers on the defensive side. Even James Cook, Josh Allen's 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: best teammate, leads all running backs in fumbles. But Saturday 32 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: wasn't a loss, it was a reckoning. It felt different. 33 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: The locker room was fifty five broken men. McDermott man 34 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: at the officiating, I get it. But when John Elway 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: was in Denver, they moved off Dan Reeves. Tan Reeves 36 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: had been to three Super Bowls. Dan Reeves was a 37 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: great coach, but not great enough for John Alway's talent. 38 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: And Sean McDermott again. Eight playoff wins. That is the 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: most ever in league history by any coach that hasn't 40 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: appeared in a Super Bowl. He's a coach, He's a 41 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: good coach. I'll be honest. I think he would go 42 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: to the Raiders and get that act figured out really quickly. 43 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: I'd Hireman one second in Las Vegas. But each loss 44 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: hurt more, each loss mounted, thirteen second loss, can't get 45 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: the toush push right, blowing fourth quarter leads Saturday bo 46 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: Nicks kind of did what he wanted. Five turnovers on offense, 47 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 1: and it feels like Josh Allen so often is pressing 48 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: to put on a cap, getting a phone booth, come 49 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: out and make a play to overcome his lack of 50 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: receiving help or a defense that can be good at 51 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: times but isn't special, not as good as the Rams, 52 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: not even as good as the injury plague Niners, certainly 53 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: not Seattle or Houston. So this is a great job. 54 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here this morning thinking John Harbaugh, Kevin Stefanskire 55 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: probably checking their contracts to make sure. 56 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: The ink is dry. 57 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: But over the last starting in twenty twenty until today, 58 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: they're second in the NFL and wins first in points 59 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 1: per game, first in point differential, A lot of it's 60 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, maybe most of it's Josh Allen. 61 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: You can't go Mike McCarthy. 62 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: His teams, like McDermott, feel like they're not quite buttoned up. 63 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: They shrink in the playoffs. Can't go McCarthy. More of 64 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: the same, Jeff Hafley, Jesse mentor great defensive coordinators, But 65 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: we want to go with a defensive coach. How about 66 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: somebody that's proven, in my opinion, Brian Dable one a 67 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: playoff game with Daniel Jones, former offensive coordinator that really 68 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: took Josh Allen to the next level. So Sean McDermott's 69 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: got eight playoff wins. You can do a lot worse 70 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: than Sean McDermott. But for Buffalo it's different. Josh Allen 71 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: changes the calculus. Here was Josh broken down after the 72 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: loss Saturday. 73 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: That's extremely difficult. 74 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like I let my let 75 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: my teammates down tonight. It's been a long season. I 76 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 3: hate how it ended, and that's it's gonna stick with 77 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 3: me for a long time. You can't win with five turnovers. 78 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: I fumble twize through two picks. Can you shoot yourself 79 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: in the foot like that? You don't deserve one football games. 80 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: The standard changes when you get an l Way, when 81 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: you get a Peyton Manning, you gotta have a Belichick, 82 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: a wall Shenandy Reid, Jimmy Johnson. I don't know if 83 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: Brian Dable's that, but John Harbaugh's off the market. Jim 84 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: Harbaugh's off the market. Sean Payton's taken, so is Mike Vrabel. 85 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: To me, Brian Dabell, who's been in that room, who's 86 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: worked with Josh, is an offensive guy, will squeeze every 87 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: ounce out of this star quarterback. And at this point, 88 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: to me, that's the answer. Okay under Sean McVeigh, the 89 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: Rams prove once again, regardless of weather, this warm weather 90 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: indoor football team goes to Chicago, they don't have a 91 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: single penalty. They don't have a single turnover. Folks, they 92 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: didn't have We looked it up a dropped pass and 93 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,239 Speaker 1: that's why they beat the Bears in a windy, snow 94 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: game earlier in the day. There were eight turnovers. They 95 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: didn't even drop pass. Chicago was more spectacular. Chicago had 96 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: more yards, Chicago won time of possession. Caleb Williams, in 97 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: my opinion, had the throw of the decade playoffs a 98 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: regular season. But this LA team played more efficiently and 99 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: played cleaner. I mean again, I'm not saying Chicago's not 100 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: more fun to watch. The Rams only had three drives 101 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: all day, an opening drive, a fourth quarter drive, at 102 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: an overtime drive. So much in football is about not 103 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: losing games. And the team that lost the turnover battles 104 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: yesterday and this weekend they went over four. The Rams 105 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: did not drop a pass in this weather. So I thought, 106 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: when all you needed to do was win the game 107 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: in overtime, it was second and Nate. I thought the 108 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: Bears should have been trying to get a first down. 109 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: And not a touchdown. 110 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: I thought, Caleb Williams, who has grown so much as 111 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: a player, he is so much better than he was 112 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: eight nine weeks ago, I thought he'd bit off a 113 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: little too much in overtime. They just needed a field goal, 114 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: they just needed points, and he went uptown. And that's 115 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: the very nature of Caleb Williams, the upside, the jet fuel, 116 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: the horsepower. I mean, he is V eight plus, but 117 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: he's not quite ready. He has improved so much from 118 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: week three to now. I mean again, this is I 119 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: think there's four quarterbacks in league history that can make 120 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: this play four. The Rams weren't perfect beat on the back, 121 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: but you get all the upside. But I thought he 122 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: took a little too big of a bit in overtime. 123 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: And Chicago's not going anywhere. They're young, they're athletic, they're 124 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: inexpensive at quarterback, as star, tight end, running back, receiver, 125 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: slot perimeter. This is a really good Chicago team. Dennis 126 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: Allen had a great Sunday night. They don't have nearly 127 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: as much defensive talent, especially in the box, as the 128 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: Rams do, and yet they were aggressive. They got the 129 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford multiple times, while their offensive line did not 130 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: surrender us act. There were so many things to like 131 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: about the Bears time of possession, big plays, more yards, 132 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: more spectacular, whereas the Rams defensive talent is young, explosive, 133 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: and inexpensive. That's the Bears primarily on offense. So the 134 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: Rams came down on the opening drive, take a seven 135 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: to nothing lead, don't buckle. 136 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: You got the Rams. 137 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: Taking that lead late in the game and the Bears 138 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: don't buckle. 139 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: So they're good. They're not going anywhere. 140 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: But the Bears, to me, feel like they're almost there 141 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: and the Rams feel like they are there again. And 142 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: here's Sean McVay after the overtime win in Chicago. 143 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 2: There were so many things that went on in that 144 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: game that you could have said, oh man, maybe tonight 145 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: it's not all night move. I'm gonna tell you this though, 146 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: for you. 147 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 4: Guys to do what you did, Man, I can't say 148 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 4: enough about what you guys did. 149 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: Step and snep out defensively. How about my mother? 150 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 5: Man? 151 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: Kim Carl. 152 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: Cam curl at safety. Listen, you look over the course 153 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: of the weekend, there's two or three things that are 154 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: absolute and the team that had the most turnovers, you know, 155 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: whether it's a Buffalo or it's a Houston or it's 156 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: a Chicago. The reality is when you get to the 157 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: best coaches and the best rosters and the best game plans, 158 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: weather becomes less of a factor and not letting a 159 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: ball hit the ground for the weather to be that bad, 160 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: McVeigh looked freezing. They didn't have a drop pass. That's insane. 161 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean, Kyron Williams, what do you have twenty some carries. 162 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: Bears were pulling on his arm and pulling on the 163 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: ball for three and. 164 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: A half hours, and the ball never hit the ground. 165 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: Fuka Nakua hammered pulling the ball up, ball, never hit 166 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: the ground, No penalties, no turnovers. 167 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 2: More impressive is no drop passes. 168 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: That is the Rams, who now go on the road 169 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: with an extra quarter played and one day less rest 170 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: than the Seahawks. They are and should be underdogs in 171 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: the NFC Championship. Jmack, Wow, it will. I'll tell you what. 172 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: We'll talk about the Seahawks next. 173 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: I mean, it is good. My takeaway all night. It 174 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 2: was funny. 175 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: We were in the fourth quarter and I'm watching the 176 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: game with friends and I'm like, I'm looking up drop passes, 177 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: and I'm looking up penalties, and I'm like, for a 178 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: warm weather team that plays indoors to go into that weather. 179 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: You and I talked all week. 180 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: You get to a point in games like that you 181 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: can't feel your hands. So I went out side last 182 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: night at halftime. I want I want to do I thought, 183 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: I want to go out I want to feel what 184 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: it feels like in just normal clothes. No Jackeah, I'm like, 185 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how people are doing that. Hello day, 186 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: last oh ninety seconds. The Rams, though, you notice this, 187 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: how many of their skill players did not wear sleeves, 188 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: so a lot of it's psychological ram players went out there, 189 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: We're not gonna wear sleeves. We're just gonna go out 190 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: and play. We're not gonna worry about it. In Stafford's 191 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: face is like, you know, it's bright red. I thought 192 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: that was a really impressive outing. The Bears were more spectacular, 193 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: but efficiency and clean no drop passes is a real 194 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: thing in those kind of games. 195 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 6: Did you feel like McVeigh called the game like he 196 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 6: was freezing because Colin at one point in the third 197 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 6: quarter they had thirty four passes and eleven runs. I 198 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 6: did not understand. I love McVeigh, he's one of the 199 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 6: best coaches in the league. I thought that was his 200 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 6: worst effort of the season. He will clearly changed it 201 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter. 202 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, absolutely. Listen, it's a weird flow into the game. 203 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: You know, you have things that are working. They nobody 204 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: can cover Puka. You know, the tight ends we're having success. 205 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: So I think I think it's hard to do that. 206 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: I think you get into the elements. There's certain things 207 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: you've game planned for you'll think will work. I think 208 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: they should have run more, but listen, this would have 209 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: been an easy game. After the Rams drove down the 210 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: field and took a lead, you could say to yourself, well, 211 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: I just you know, we saw what happened to the Niners, 212 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: just like sometimes there's just you know, when you get 213 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: one of these explosive teams like the Rams or Seattle 214 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: and they take a seven to nothing lead, you're like. 215 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: Uh oh uh oh uh oh. 216 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: The Rams did not, or Bears came right back down 217 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: the field. 218 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: They never buckled, you know. 219 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: It just came down to in overtime, Caleb gets picked 220 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: and it looked like DJ Moore, there was miscommunication. I 221 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: don't want to say somebody quit, but it had an 222 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: odd look to it. They'll probably look at the tape 223 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: and figure that out. I didn't think the Rams guy 224 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: was going to make the field goal because his first 225 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: kick the line drive that it felt like the wind, yeah, 226 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: push it in. So I was like, no, I don't 227 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: know this thing's going to continue. 228 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 7: But was your big takeaway that Caleb wore. Sorry, Caleb Williams. 229 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 6: Looks, without a doubt, like a top ten quarterback in 230 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 6: the league. 231 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 7: He was just, no question believable. I know the accuracy, you. 232 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 6: Know, fifty percent or whatever, wasn't there, but he can 233 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 6: make so many plays. Colin, He's ascending it a pace. 234 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 6: I don't think anybody anticipated this fast with Ben Johnson. 235 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 7: He's a superstar. 236 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's there's no question. He's a top ten quarterback. 237 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: And for the record, everybody can beat up on him 238 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: with the interceptions. One was on fourth down. Okay, you 239 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: can beat up on the interceptions, but the truth is 240 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: he doesn't really throw many interceptions. He's durably's mobile, he's 241 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: got great strength. He doesn't have a lot of multiple 242 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: interception games. But again, you're this Ram defense is good. 243 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: They're not great at corner, but they're really good everywhere else. 244 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: And they're fast and they close. And we got a 245 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: lot of good defenses left. New England's real defense, Seattle's 246 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: incredible Rams are very good, and Denver you can get 247 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: after it. So football just keeps getting better. 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They 265 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: had a stretch this year where they led a team 266 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: twenty to nothing in the first quarter, another team twenty 267 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: eight nothing at half, and another team thirty five nothing 268 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: at half. 269 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: That's what Ohio State does to an FCS team. 270 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: Sam Darnold got picked four times against the Rams and they. 271 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: Still almost won. 272 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan one hundred and sixty three games as the 273 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: San Francisco coach four times. He's been held under a 274 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: touchdown twice in the last few weeks by Seattle. The 275 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: roster has no holes. Even the special teams are really good. 276 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: They get a pass rush without blitzing. Huge up front, 277 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: active linebackers, outstanding elite corners, playmaking safeties. On offense, you 278 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: get power and speed and efficiency. They are young, they're dynamic, 279 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: and there is one team left that is built to 280 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: beat them in Seattle. 281 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: One team only the Rams. They might be able to do. 282 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: It because they play such a clean, smart, efficient style 283 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: of football. They don't make as many mistakes as the 284 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: Seahawks do. They're not as penalized as Seattle. They're not 285 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: gonna make the turnovers that Seattle does. They're a cleaner version. 286 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: Are they as good a version? 287 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: Well? 288 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: Look at these numbers. This is how crazy it is. 289 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: The Rams and Seahawks have played twice, each with a win. 290 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: The Rams have scored fifty eight points, the Seahawks fifty seven. 291 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: The Rams have eight hundred and thirty total yards, the 292 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: Seahawks have eight hundred and twenty nine. I mean, folks, 293 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: we all knew this. I mean about week seven or eight, 294 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: didn't you look at yourself and think, Okay, Green Bay 295 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: is falling apart physically, and so were the Niners. And 296 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: Philadelphia couldn't get their offensive act together, and Chicago was 297 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: really good, but it felt like maybe the defense was 298 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: a year And then there's the Panthers. 299 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: Child. 300 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: Please, this Seattle team in Seattle, cold and wet. 301 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: I mean they have. 302 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: Made Christian McCaffrey disappear twice in the last few weeks. 303 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: Disappear the Rams of the number one scoring offense, the 304 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: Seahawks of the number one scoring defense. It will be 305 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: best against best, and in my opinion, the two best 306 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: young coaches in football at the Helm. Mcveigh's the best 307 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: coach arguably in the league, certainly the best young coach. 308 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: Seattle said, you know what McVeigh and shanahaner in this division. 309 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: We're not going to hire the third best offensive guy. 310 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: We're gonna go get a defensive guy, Mike McDonald and 311 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: he is the defensive version of McVeigh. Handsome, tough, culture builder, 312 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: respected player friendly, holds a players accountable while being that. 313 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: So I've said this all year with Seattle. Turn the 314 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: sound down and watch them play. Don't listen to the 315 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: announcers or the crowd. Turn the sound down. They don't 316 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: look like any other team. It's like you get the 317 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: Texans defense with a more dynamic offense. Sam Darnold after 318 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: another win over the forty nine ers. 319 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: Our defense has been amazing. You know, throughout the entire year. 320 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: You know, they've had our back. 321 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 8: You know, we've had their back in certain situations. 322 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 7: Our step and teams. 323 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 2: You know, I can't say upgrade things. 324 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 8: About them, but yeah, it's really fun to play the defense. 325 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 2: Like that behind, you know, the as. 326 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: You're back for us as an offense, like we understand 327 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: what we're capable of. 328 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: You know, we've showed glimpses of. 329 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 8: It throughout the season, and I think these last few 330 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 8: games we've kind of proven our offensive line, our tight 331 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 8: end stuff, proven. 332 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 6: Kind of what we can do running the football. 333 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 9: So we're just going to continue to you know, watch 334 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 9: the take get better and see where we can go 335 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 9: from here. 336 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: You know, there was a moment early in the game 337 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: when Kyle Shanahan kind of admitted we can't play Seattle 338 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: straight up. They had some trick plays. It was like 339 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: a fourth and one, they gave it to Kyle uscheck 340 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: and they try to kind of do a little clever 341 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: trick play to the outside. They knew, yeah, on a 342 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: fourth and one, we like our offensive line, you can't 343 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: play Seattle straight up. They're just different. They remind me 344 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: a lot. It's so interesting in these playoffs. These Patriots 345 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: remind me a lot of the Belichick Brady Patriots. 346 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: Not sure if they're. 347 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: Great anywhere except quarterback, but they're good everywhere. And this 348 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: Seattle team reminds me a lot of the Legion of Boom, 349 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: where you have a very athletic quarterback, above average run game, 350 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: and they look different. They are faster and younger. I mean, 351 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: it's the opposite of the Steelers. You get a great defense, 352 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: you don't have to pay for it. It's like twenty 353 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: third most expensive defense. So I mean when they take 354 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 1: the open and they've added at the trade deadline, they 355 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: got this GM John Snyder, maybe the best personnel guy 356 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: in the league. They add a speed demon at the 357 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: trade deadline, you're walk them there. So now their special 358 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: teams are a nightmare. There's one team left built to 359 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: potentially beat them in Seattle, very big on potentially, and 360 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: that's the Rams. 361 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: J Mack with the news. 362 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 5: This is the herd Line News. 363 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 6: All right, Let's go back to Saturday and the rough 364 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 6: ending for Bonicks Colin, superhero quarterback man. He was very 365 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 6: good against Buffalo, but then suffered a terrifying injury to 366 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 6: his ankle. 367 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 7: Broken ankle Colin. 368 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 6: It appeared to happen on the third to last play 369 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 6: the game, he had like a design keeper landed awkwardly, 370 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 6: still was able to chuck it down the field amends 371 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 6: and get that weak flag and then took a knee, 372 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 6: popped up and you see it on the screen. It 373 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 6: was like, oh, what's going on here? Yeah, seemed to 374 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 6: walk off the field okay. But afterwards Sean Payton met. 375 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 7: With the media. 376 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 6: They called the media back and this is what Peyton 377 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 6: told the media. 378 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 7: Oh, we don't have the sound. 379 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 6: Here's Peyton not good news. On the second to last 380 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 6: play of overtime go fracture to a bone in his 381 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 6: right ankle. He's scheduled to have surgery Tuesday. That would 382 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 6: be tomorrow, Colin. They will be the Jarrett Stidham Show 383 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 6: this weekend in the AFC Championship. 384 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's not taking first team snaps. So this 385 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: is going to be a rough one now. Now, Sean 386 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: Payton very good coach. Stedham's been around. Remember when Sean 387 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: took the job in Denver. Yeh, he went out and 388 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: paid twelve million for Stidham as a backup and we 389 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: went that is a lot for a backup. So Stidham's 390 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: been around, stead of knows the system. Steadham is a 391 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: good teammate. So this is about as good as you're 392 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: going to do in a backup quarterback situation. 393 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: You're going to be at home. That helps. 394 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: It's Sean Payton, I mean again, certainly capable. I would 395 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: lean with Rabel, Josh McDaniel, Drake May and I don't 396 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: know what the line is this morning. I would think 397 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: New England's favored by a couple That would be my guest. 398 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: I know with the atle is favored by about a 399 00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: field goal. 400 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 7: Well it's five and a half. 401 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 6: I'm seeing four and a half now for the Patriots 402 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 6: favorite on the road. 403 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 7: It's interesting because this Bronco defense you mentioned early. 404 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 6: In the show. Bronco defense is good. I didn't see 405 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 6: good against Buffalo. Buffalo moved the ball up and down 406 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 6: the field, nearly had five hundred yards of offense. 407 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 7: Kind of did what they want. 408 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: Josh Allen had a couple of Also, this Denver offense 409 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: bow knicks. A lot of it is bow knicks, rolling running. Okay, 410 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: that that component's gone with stood as a pocket guy now, 411 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: so a lot of that offense this year has been 412 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: about bow knicks, moving the pocket. This off now, now, 413 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: Breeze went five and zero with Teddy Bridgewater as a 414 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: backup in New Orleans. So if you got to have 415 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: a backup Jared Stoodam who's been in the system for years, 416 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: and Sean Payton, I mean, they've got nice weapons, but 417 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: you know, you just have to go with a better quarterback, 418 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: a very good coach, regardless of where the game is played. 419 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: There's a reason New England's favorite and should be. 420 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 6: Well, it's not totally the same as Nick Foles, but 421 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 6: Carson Wentz was a mobile quarterback in Philly, right, Nick 422 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 6: Foles more of a statue, Joki's cement, shoes, Foles in 423 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 6: the pocket. You know, there's a world where this game 424 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 6: is a lot closer than everybody's saying right now. 425 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 7: I have not seen one person give Den for a 426 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 7: chance of you. 427 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 6: It's universally ouhr May's about a quarterback. 428 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: I honestly, I think it's gonna be a close game. 429 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 6: I this playoffs, like every game is freaking close. 430 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 7: It's a coin flip every game. So bummer for bow Knicks. 431 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 6: I'll say this though, Colin, I don't know if you 432 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 6: saw this throws on twenty or more yards down the 433 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 6: field against the Bills. Bow Knicks four to six fo 434 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 6: one hundred six yards and two touchdowns. Jason, he hit 435 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 6: two deep ball home runs. 436 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: I mean, stay what you want because Jo bow Knicks, 437 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: the knock is throwing the ball down the field has 438 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: been the question with bow Knicks. We know twelve yards 439 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: in he moves. Well, he hit two bombs and I 440 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 1: mean that to me was again Sean mcdermot's defense has 441 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: struggled against the run. They actually were okay against the run, 442 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: but they got burned over the top twice. 443 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: In a game like that when you're on the road. 444 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: You can't get burned deep for touchdown twice in the game. 445 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 7: Well, you know what happened. 446 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 6: Colin White went out with an injury for he had 447 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 6: to miss a couple of plays. Bonnicks either identified it 448 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 6: or Peyton did, and they picked on the backup both times. 449 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 7: And it was just gaully. 450 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 6: I mean, I had, you know, the under in this 451 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 6: game and all the big plays. I was like, what 452 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 6: the heck? That was a thriller. Man Saturday was crazy. 453 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 6: All right, let's move on to a coaching opening. 454 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 7: Colin. 455 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 6: That's the Pittsburgh Steelers. Listen, I'm surprised by this, but 456 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy is a name who's supposedly gonna interview with 457 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 6: the Pittsburgh Steelers. 458 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: Now, I mean, at this point, I don't. 459 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 6: See how this job's attractive at all when you don't 460 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 6: know the quarterback Aaron Rodgers. 461 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: Apparently he's a Pittsburgh guy. 462 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 6: So you know, right now you're gonna have to pivot 463 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 6: Mike Carthy right and say, I don't. 464 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 7: Know the Buffalo Bills. 465 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 6: Can I get in there and talk to Josh Allen 466 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 6: like this? This is a busy Colin. We talked about this. 467 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 6: This This Pittsburgh team is old. 468 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: First of all, the Steelers don't ever look for a 469 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: new coach. 470 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 7: Yeah. 471 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: So the Giants do, they move on it, and Atlanta 472 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: does and they move on it. 473 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 474 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: And so the two organizations identify Harbaugh and Kevin Stefanski 475 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: very quickly. I would say the Raiders hiring McDermott within 476 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. You get Mendoza. I think to me, 477 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: sometimes you get lucky in life. I think the Raiders 478 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: just got incredibly lucky. I would hire Sean McDermott in 479 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: a second. 480 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 6: Well, mcdermot's gonna have options Arizona, maybe Pittsburgh. 481 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 7: Like a lot of teams don't. 482 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: Come with Fernando Mendoza. That's for four to five years. 483 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: You're not paying Fernando Mendoza. 484 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 6: Well, mcdermot's been locked in on the playoffs. Let's sybe 485 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 6: you'll watch the Natty tonight. You know he's got some 486 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 6: time on his hands, not game planning this week, and 487 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 6: maybe he'll make a decision. 488 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 7: But this go back to Steelers for a second. 489 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 6: Remember how it ended for McCarthy and Rodgers in Green Bay, 490 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 6: very ugly. 491 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 7: So this is all This is very. 492 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 6: Surprising to me that McCarthy would be interested in this, 493 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 6: But we'll see final story. 494 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: Colin. 495 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 6: We want to go back to Ben Johnson and the 496 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 6: They were really fun in that one against the Rams. 497 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 6: But I want to go back to this two point conversion. 498 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 6: You could talk about this play for an hour. The 499 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 6: Caleb Williams dropped back fourth and four and he chucks 500 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 6: it forty yards to Cole Commit. So when this hit, 501 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 6: I was like, oh my gosh, are they going to 502 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 6: go for two and beat the Rams? 503 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 7: And then Ben Johnson. 504 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 6: Kicked and that kind of short of shocked me given 505 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 6: his DNA. Colin, here's Johnson talking about that decision afterward. 506 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 9: Thought about it Yeah, thought about it. Probably what played 507 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 9: a little bit of a factor was, you know, our 508 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 9: goal to go situations hadn't gone very clean are inside 509 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 9: the five plan hadn't worked out quite like we had hoped, 510 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 9: and so I just felt better about taking our chances there. 511 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: And overtime, Yeah, I did. That's where I agreed. 512 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: My takeaway watching it was this is where analytics doesn't 513 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: tell you the truth. Analytics hadn't watched the earlier fourth downs. 514 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: They had struggled in their fourth in short packages all 515 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: night long the way, not only struggled but gotten stuffed 516 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: multiple times. So you just had the play of the decade. 517 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: You're on one hundred percent of motion, the chances of 518 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: coming out after that and getting a two point conversion 519 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: against a very very good defensive front. I think it's 520 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: the right call. Again, you have to contextualize the game. 521 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: They had struggled on fourth and short, so let's not 522 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: do a fourth and short to decide again, I'm at home. 523 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: Caleb has been spectacular. Rams have only had a couple 524 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: of drives. Remember, going into overtime, Rams had an opening 525 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: drive and a. 526 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: Fourth quarter drive didn't do anything. 527 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: Didn't do anything for like two and a half hours, 528 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: so I was okay with a decision. 529 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 6: This is what separates Ben Johnson from a Dan Campbell 530 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 6: for me, Colin, because Zan kemball. It was a famous 531 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 6: game where they faced Dallas and he just kept going 532 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 6: and it was like, dude, what are you doing. It 533 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 6: was like a guy doubling down in blackjack and keep 534 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 6: just hemorrhaging money. And Ben Johnson realized, hey man, it's 535 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 6: not working for us inside the five. 536 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 7: Try let's just kick. 537 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 6: And I think, listen, I was lower than I should 538 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 6: have been on Ben Johnson and Kayleb Williams Colin. They 539 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 6: go into next season with the right off season, right, 540 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 6: maybe you move off DJ Moore, you know, because he's 541 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 6: expensive and you got other receivers. 542 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: They're one of the only teams in the league. It's 543 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: a very good edge rusher draft. They need an edge rusher, 544 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: so they could take their first five picks go all defense. 545 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: They don't need to tackle a running back, a tight end, 546 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: a receiver, a quarterback, an interior alignment. They're literally one 547 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: of the most This draft works out so favorably for Chicago. 548 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: They need a corner, an edge rusher, get more athleticism 549 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: in the linebacking corps, all of them available in the 550 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: first three round. Chicago goes into the draft, they could 551 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: draft today, I mean, five defensive players. 552 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 6: There's a world where next year, going in this offseason, 553 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 6: the Bears are a top five team heading in the 554 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 6: next year. For me, I mean, I know, people got 555 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 6: a sound think I'm crazy. You look at the Bears 556 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 6: roster and say the Ravens or the Chiefs. Find me 557 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 6: the way care is improving. 558 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: Find me another team in the NFL that literally doesn't 559 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: have a single need on offense. There isn't one. They're 560 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: the only team in the league. They've got two backs. 561 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 6: They by the way, they lose their left tackle for 562 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 6: this game, they moved Joe Tooney over He was phenomenal. 563 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 6: I mean, obviously you want offensive line depth. But like 564 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 6: every the Bears are in amazing shape. They might be 565 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 6: the favorites next year in the NSC regardless of what 566 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 6: happens with Seattle. 567 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 2: And so once you get the quarterback and the coach, right. 568 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: It just it's so clear, Like a lot of times 569 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: you can get Drake May, but last year you had 570 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: drawed Mao. So it's like, okay, we got to get 571 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: the coach or you'll get the coach and you want 572 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: to have the quarterback. Bend's the right guy. Caleb's the 573 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: right guy. Offensive line is excellent skill everywhere. You could 574 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: argue you could move an offensive piece at receiver to 575 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: get another draft pick, but their drafts should be all 576 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: defensive players first five picks. 577 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 9: Totally. 578 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: J Mack with the news. 579 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 5: Well that's the news. Let's just stepping by the herd 580 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 5: line news. 581 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: So listen, you know I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Nothing 582 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: drives me crazy er that out of the NFL is rigged. 583 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: So let me start with this. If the NFL was 584 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: going to rig a Buffalo Bill Denver game, they would 585 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: not rig it. So Bo Nixon Denver win, you would 586 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: not say, I'll tell you what, League office, just send 587 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: a memo. Let's get the beloved Buffalo Bills and superstar 588 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: Josh Allen out of the playoffs. The country wants bow Nicks. 589 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: That's not what leagues do. So this play the rule 590 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: is actually really clear on this. You gotta possess the 591 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: ball through the process of a catch, and that includes 592 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: hitting the ground. You can't bobble it. If it bounces out, it's. 593 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: Not a catch. 594 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: So the slow Moo replay usually clarifies stuff for all 595 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: of us. In this case, SloMo hurts the play because 596 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: SloMo makes you think Brandon Cook has possession more than 597 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: he actually does. His reaction after this play he knew it, 598 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: he bobbled it. So the rule is very clear, and 599 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: usually replay is our friend. It clarifies, but slow mo 600 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: doesn't clarify. It makes you think Cooked has more control 601 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: of the ball than he does. When I watched the 602 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: real speed real time I know all you guys on 603 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: Twitter Twitter screenshot, guy, I get it, and sometimes your 604 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,239 Speaker 1: angles are hard to argue, but this is not how 605 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: football is played. It's played in real speed. It is 606 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: fast in real time. And when I watched the one 607 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: angle where there was clarity on it in real speed, 608 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: then it's like, okay, now look, if you stop the 609 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: frame on this multiple times, especially when Cooked has his 610 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: back to the Twitter shot of the TV freeze frame, 611 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: You're like, this is inexplicable. 612 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: How in the world that it happened. 613 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: But Brandon Cook's reaction to it, you know, was one 614 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: of dejection. You gotta keep the ball through the process, 615 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: and there's just one real speed. I had two people 616 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: in the league and they're not big Sean Peyton. Guys 617 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: both text me and say, guys, it's the right call. 618 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: Don't go crazy. 619 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: So I don't like it. I'd never seen it before. 620 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: It felt so much to me like a catch. But 621 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: the rules pretty clear. It's not played in screenshots. I 622 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: thought replay actually diluted this. Usually it clarifies it. The 623 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: slow most of it makes it look like more of 624 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: a true catch than it is. And so and again, 625 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: do you really think the league office and a memo, 626 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: let's get the beloved Bills and Josh. 627 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: Allen out of here. 628 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: You know, when you go on the road and you 629 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: give up two deep balls to bow Nicks for touchdowns, 630 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: when you turn it over five times, I mean at 631 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: this point, the cleaner team won every game this weekend, 632 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: four for four. Sean McDermott, though devastated, now out of 633 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: a job at the time, devastated. 634 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 10: It's hard for me to and I've had a chance 635 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 10: to look at It's hard for me to understand why 636 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 10: it was ruled the way it was ruled. And if 637 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 10: it is ruled that way, then why wasn't it slowed 638 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 10: down just to make sure that we have this right? 639 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 2: So I'll just leave it at that. 640 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 10: But I'm doing I'm saying it because I'm standing up 641 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 10: for Buffalo, Dammit, I'm standing up for us because what 642 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 10: went on is not that is not how it should 643 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 10: go down in my estimation. 644 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: Now, I will totally agree with Sean McDermott. I felt 645 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: it was unnecessarily rushed. There are those speculating that the 646 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: Seahawk Niner game had already been pushed back and they 647 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: didn't want to go into twelve minutes to replay. 648 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 2: That's not a good enough answer. I thought it was rushed. 649 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: There is no hurry. None of us are going anywhere. 650 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: Denver's not going anywhere, Buffalo's not going anywhere. 651 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 2: You and I are watching it, We're not going anywhere. 652 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: The fans aren't going anywhere. 653 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: Let's and that speed, that impatience, that's what makes this play. Yeah, 654 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: that's where you're thinking, Okay, well, what's going on here? 655 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: What's the big rush here? That again and slow mo, 656 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: just doesn't make it look good for the league. We've 657 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: been arguing forever, full time officials, it's a zillion dollar league. 658 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 2: What is the league? 659 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: A year fifteen, eighteen, twenty billion dollar league? Yet full 660 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: time officials. But I will agree with McDermott. The whole 661 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: thing felt rushed, and that just adds a dimension to 662 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: an already rare play. Again, if you take out Buffalo, 663 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: I mean the fact that it's Buffalo that loses this way, 664 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: that it's rushed, that it is rare, that I've never 665 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: seen that before. You add all these things together and 666 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 1: I get rigged, guy, But that's not the case. 667 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: It's the Herd. 668 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 5: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 669 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 5: and newon Easter, not a em Pacific. 670 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: Seahawks favored at home over the Rams, and the Patriots 671 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: go on the road to face Jarrett stood them a 672 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: backup quarterback favorite over Denver and Sean Payton. 673 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 2: You know, with New England, you know a lot. 674 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: Of people like you can tell, well, they're not they're 675 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: not quite special enough. Well. Is Mike Vrabile a top 676 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: five coach, as Josh McDaniel a top three coordinator. Is 677 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: Drake maya top ten quarterback? Their defense is top five. 678 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't see what people aren't seeing. They're 679 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: absolutely good enough to win a Super Bowl. I don't 680 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: think they should be favored. Their cornerbacks are outstanding they 681 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: get consistent pressure, they run the ball effectively, and you know, 682 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: Keishawan Butte made the catch of the year, so I 683 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: mean Diggs was valuable. Drake May made three straight big 684 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: throws on that one touchdown drive. They remind me a 685 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: lot of the Belichick Brady Patriots, where I'm not sure 686 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: outside of quarterback Drake May and Tom Brady outside of quarterback, 687 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're great anywhere, but they're really 688 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: good everywhere and they're awful nowhere. And with NFL coaching, 689 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: you just can't be bad anywhere. You can't have a 690 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: massive hole. They don't. I mean they struggle to block. 691 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: You know, the rush ends for Houston. Look Will Anderson, 692 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: good luck, he's our Lawrence Taylor. Nobody's blocking him. So 693 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 1: Drake May against the number two defense in bad weather, 694 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: three touchdowns and a one on one passer rating and 695 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: good movement seems pretty good to me. They're very much 696 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: like the old Patriots. They give you about one to 697 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: two big plays offensively, and when you need him to 698 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: execute at a high level, they do so. If you 699 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,479 Speaker 1: look at the Patriots this year, including the playoffs, they're 700 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: number one in yardage differential, They're number five and points 701 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 1: a game number three in points allowed. 702 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 2: New England. 703 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: I lived there for a decade. The New England region 704 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: isn't a flashy region. There's a ton of wealth Newport, 705 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: Rhode Island, Nantucket, the Cape, Boston, Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket, but 706 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: it's not ostentatious considering the wealth. 707 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 2: And that's a little bit like the Patriots. 708 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: The Patriots in Boston appreciate intelligence and toughness and resilience 709 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: and efficiency and discipline, and I kind of feel like 710 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: the Patriots have always been the region. They're not going 711 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: to be flashy despite having talent. Yes, Seattle's more dynamic, 712 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: and the Rams are more experienced, and the Denver Broncos 713 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: probably have a bit more of a star studded roster. 714 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: But I absolutely believe New England is good enough to 715 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. Vrabel's elite, Josh McDaniel's elite, Drake 716 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: May is elite. Their receiving corps in the last year 717 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: is significantly better, made huge plays. They can't put the 718 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: ball on the carpet like they did against the Texans, 719 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: but they're not lucky to be here. They outspent everybody 720 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: in free agency. They nailed the draft. So there are 721 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: four or five different rookies making big impacts. And again, 722 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: their corners are like Seattle's. They are sticky, they are 723 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: all over the receivers. 724 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 2: I like New England a lot. 725 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: I don't listen. Everybody's got a flaw. I don't trust 726 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: the Rams. Special teams Seahawks sometimes can turn it over. 727 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 1: I still think offensive line for the Patriots is probably 728 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: a draft away from being elite. 729 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 2: But this reminds me a lot of the old Patriots. 730 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: Same owner, same coordinator, a younger, more mobile quarterback who's 731 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: not quite Brady in terms of pre snap and experience 732 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: obviously and probably will never be quite that. But the 733 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: only big difference is Vrabel, and Vrabel's like a more 734 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: current Belichick. He's more player friendly, more connected to the 735 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: player as a next player. He's very, very current. Offensively, 736 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: it feels like what I watched for years. There here's 737 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 1: Drake may after. 738 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 8: It was hard in this lead to run it when 739 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 8: they know you're gonna run it, and you know those 740 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 8: guys were huge and fourth quarter, yes, that's when crunch 741 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 8: time is. You know, it's snow picked up a little bit, 742 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 8: and it's pretty sweet. Just the fans in the stadium. 743 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 8: The atmosphere was pretty cool. We like, we you deserve 744 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 8: to be here, and we got times where there we 745 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 8: know we're gonna have to be at our best when 746 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 8: in critical moments and it comes down to it's gonna 747 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 8: come down the end, and it's gonna come down to 748 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 8: making plays when you have them. And I got to 749 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 8: just you keep on giving our tides chance to make plays. 750 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 8: And I like our chances when with those guys in 751 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 8: those locker room. 752 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,479 Speaker 1: I've said this, sometimes the team becomes the city. Every 753 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: great Laker team has been kind of flashy, right, like 754 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: every great Patriot team has been resilient, smart and physically 755 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: tough and efficient, and that's what they pride theirselves in. 756 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: Like Mike Rabel feels like a Patriot coach. Belichick felt 757 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: like a Patriot coach. And maybe it just Bill started 758 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: that whole thing. But I mean, Robert Kraft's a billionaire. 759 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: He's still complaining about having to payoff Gerd Mayo. He 760 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: felt terrible about that. That This is just you know, 761 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: it's it's there's an old saying in New England fences 762 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: make good neighbors. They're not looking for validation outside of 763 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: the region. They know what they are. They're good enough 764 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: to win a super Bowl. They got a little bit 765 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,760 Speaker 1: of a break. I would probably favor Denver with bow 766 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: Nicks starting, I'd probably make them a one, one and 767 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: a half two point favorite. But I don't think Jared Stidham, 768 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: who's not been taking snaps all year, more of a 769 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: scout team backup guy. 770 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 2: I think that's a huge ask. 771 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: But I you know, one thing we know about these 772 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,959 Speaker 1: playoffs expect the unexpected, the one team that nobody wants 773 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: to talk about. I mean, everybody picked Houston, you know, 774 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: and everybody was like, well, Drake May can't win his 775 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: first playoff game, and now what, Drake May. 776 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 2: Can't beat Houston. I don't know. 777 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: I look at New England. I don't see the big flaw. 778 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: They were good all regular season. They're good now, they're 779 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: gonna be good next weekend. 780 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 2: I don't see the hole. 781 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: I think they're really really good. 782 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 2: Seattle Rams, Denver Patriots, Okay, wow, I mean every weekend 783 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:14,399 Speaker 2: gets better.