1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb. My name is Christian Seger. Robert, what, 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: what do you think your chances are of surviving if 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: like a real zombie apocalypse hit us, a real full 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: blown zombie apocalypse? Like, how well would you fair? Do 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: you have a you have a plan? Well? Here here's 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: here's my thoughts on this. So when we start thinking 9 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: about zombie apocalypse, it's easy for us to start putting 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: ourselves in survival mode because we're thinking that black and 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: white um view of Okay, I shoot the zombie, uh, 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: you know, look out for bad people, and then look 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: after my own I can do it. I can do this. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: I can pull this off. However, any kind of zombie 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: apocalypse is still essentially like the collapse of civilization, collapse 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: of order, and I tend to have low expectations about 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: my ability to survive that in any in any way, 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: shape or form that would it would feel like a victory, 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: right yeah. I On the other hand, so I used 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: to work right where they shot the first couple episodes 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: of The Walking Dead in downtownta tank ye right where 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: the tank was exactly. Tank still there. They just keep 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: it up. Yet it is, funnily enough, it's active to 24 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: you can shoot buildings down with it. No, uh but 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: yeah at the and so at the time, like I 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: was working on horror projects, and my collaborator E. C. Steiner, 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: who we know from the show because he's helped out 28 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: with monster science stuff before. Um, he and I put 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: a plan together and he where we've got like some 30 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: people in our lives that our go to, like if 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: something like this hits, we get them. We put together 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: a band, and we have a location, like a secure 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: place where we're gonna go. It's the might be the 34 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: library downtown because it doesn't have any windows up until 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: like maybe the fourth floor. Problem is, I just found 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: out yesterday they instituted thumb print biometric authentication scanners at 37 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: this library, So you can't get in unless your thumbprint 38 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: is like in their database. So but that means that 39 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: zombies with thumb prints they could theoretically, yeah, like if 40 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: students had been turned into zombies, just marginally smart zombies, 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: which whole plans Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. See. My my 42 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: view tends to run more along the lines of Karma 43 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: McCarthy's The Road, Uh, And so I envisioned my place 44 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: in a zombie apocalypse being a daily struggle to see 45 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: if I mercy killed those I love and then myself. 46 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: I've told this on other podcasts I know, but have 47 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: ever told you how I read The Road. I listened 48 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: to it on audio tape while I was running and it, Man, 49 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: that was a depressing workout. Like it was like, I 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: don't know, two weeks or whatever it took me to 51 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: get through it during my daily runs. But it was 52 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: like you just like running along and it's just everything 53 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: was gray, everyone was dead. There was depression. You know, 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: you've read the book, so I've I've read a couple 55 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: of times. I have not read it since I became 56 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: a father of this. So yeah, I don't know. I 57 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: don't know if I'll ever be ready for that. It's 58 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: good stuff, which leads us to why are we Why 59 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: are we talking about zombies? Well, today we're doing a 60 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: sort of quick version of monster Science here where we're 61 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: going to tackle to very They're called micro studies that 62 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: came out of the University of Leicester. UH. A couple 63 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: of weeks ago we actually posted these to our Facebook page. 64 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: So if you follow us on social media, you might 65 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: have seen these. You may have even commented on them. 66 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: Some of the comments from those Facebook posts are gonna 67 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: show up in today's episode. But we we saw these, 68 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: we thought they were interesting because they were along lines 69 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: of what we do with Monster Science, especially what Robert 70 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: has done in the past with the video series Monster Science. 71 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, I recommend go watch it 72 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: on our site or on YouTube. But zombies come up 73 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: quite a bit when we talk about very various parasitic organisms. 74 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: The Court accepts organism different different parasitic zombifying agents in 75 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: our world, so zombies are very much on the plate 76 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: here and stuff to blow your mind. So when a 77 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: new study came out and grabbed the headlines, we figured 78 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: out we should cover. People really gloamed onto this one 79 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: way or the other. They either loved it or they 80 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: hated it. There's a lot of you out there who 81 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: follow us on social media said please do an episode 82 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: on this, So that's why we're here. But a lot 83 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: of people too were like, this study is bogus and 84 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: here's why, and we're gonna talk about that as well. Um, 85 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: but I'd like to start off, what what what are 86 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: your favorite zombie films? Like, let's let's establish some ground rules. 87 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: There's a lot of zombie entertainment out there right now, 88 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: and it's funny, like I was looking at sort of 89 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: the gamut of all of it, and I forgot about 90 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: some really great movies. Will you go first, Well, what 91 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: are your what are your favorites? Well, my favorite is 92 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: twenty eight Days Later, So so that's the wonderful one. 93 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: That's the one that scared me the most, and I 94 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: and I really like it, like both in terms of 95 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: story and how it shot the most. Um. In fact, 96 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: I got this really great poster at New York Comic 97 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: Con last year by the artist Jacque and it's just 98 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: a big landscape picture of the main character walking down 99 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: a road that's totally abandoned in London, and it's really 100 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: evocative and you can get two of them. The second 101 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: one it's the same thing, except for there's a horde 102 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: of zombies chasing after him. But I prefer I prefer 103 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: the lonely walk. Yeah, that was a great film, especially 104 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: the I would say the first two thirds of that 105 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: film are just just very difficult to beat in terms 106 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: of zombie cinema and there, of course, people are split 107 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: on this. There's some there're some zombie fans out there 108 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: and say, oh, fast zombies not a zombie film. They're 109 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: they're probably cursing us right now for even bringing it up. Maybe, 110 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: but it's actually the zombie slow zombie argument is going 111 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: to be important to the science today. I will come 112 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: in and say that one of my favorites is actually 113 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: a fast zombie film and that is a dead set. 114 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. What's that? Yeah? Dead Set? This 115 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: was a two thousand and eight British kind of a 116 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: mini series and it was created by Charlie Brooker, who 117 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: of course everyone is now familiar with because of Black Mirror. 118 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: But this one had fast zombies in it and had 119 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: to do with the cast of a big Brother uk 120 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: Um not being aware that the whole world is is 121 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: falling into zombie chaos. And that's a brilliant premise. Yeah, 122 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: and it sounds like it's going to be a comedy. 123 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: I went into it. This was this It wasn't available 124 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: in the States at the time. I think now it's 125 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: on Netflix, but at the time you had to get 126 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: a like a pirated copy, and so I obtained it, 127 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: and I was telling my wife it's like, oh, I 128 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: got this new comedy but about these reality people, reality 129 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: star people and their zombies. And we're like, oh, that 130 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: sounds great, and we sent out to watch it and 131 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: it is terrifying. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a great it's 132 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: a great, great zombie film. But the fast zombie thing 133 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: is interesting because when it came out a lot of 134 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: people were criticizing Brooker's use of the fast zombies, including 135 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: Simon Peck. He came out in one of the of 136 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: Shaun of the Dead came out and was criticizing it, 137 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: and Brooker basically said, look, we didn't have the budget 138 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: for a horde of zombies, and if you don't have 139 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: the budget for a a full mas of zombie flesh, 140 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: you've got to make the most out of individual zombies 141 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: and the best way to do that is to have 142 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: them run really fast, and you play some Aphex twin 143 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: over it, and while you've got some dead set so 144 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: wait twenty eight days later and probably what the remake 145 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: of Donna the Dead were like, the two big fast 146 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: zombie movies like the start of that, I guess. So 147 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: though you do see some fast and semi fast zombie 148 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: movements in other films as well. Yeah, one of which 149 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,679 Speaker 1: I'll get to in a minute. Well, the original Donna 150 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: the Dead is one of my favorites as well. The 151 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: zax And one is fine, but I really have a 152 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: soft spot for the original one where they're i mean 153 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: both of them, they're in a mall. But it's just, um, 154 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: everything that's great about zombie cinema. Right, it's not about 155 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: the zombies. It's about like the themes of humanity and 156 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 1: what happens to humanity as a microcosm in the middle 157 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: of this crisis, right. Yeah, Like basically the idea of 158 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: this one is that you have a some survivors and 159 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: they find this shopping mall that has been untouched. I mean, 160 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: there's zombies in it, but nobody's looted it. It's it's 161 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: like a little paradise. Yeah, and reminds me a lot 162 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: of a Michael Caine film that came out I think 163 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: before this, called The Last Valley. I believe it's Uh. 164 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: He's a general and it's uh and they end up 165 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: him him and his troops end up finding a valley 166 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: that's untouched by I want to say it was the 167 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: hundred years War, but it's been a while since I've 168 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: seen it. Okay, huh, that's interesting. Yeah. I think stories 169 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: like that now get like, why don't we throw some 170 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: zombies in there? That'll that'll sell it a little bit better. Yeah. Well, 171 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's not a bad strategy. Like instead 172 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: of saying zombies first, now, let's find a now I 173 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: need a craft a story around it. Go ahead and 174 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: steal a good story from somewhere else and sorrow a 175 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: good story. Add zombies and you've got something new. And 176 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: that's kind of the theme of the studies that we're 177 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: going to talk about today. Some other of my favorites 178 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: are I don't know, Shaun of the Dead. You mentioned 179 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: that's a great one just to pull out every once 180 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: in a while and have a good laugh. I really 181 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: also like uh for funds, Knight of the Creeps and 182 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: the Omega Man, the Charlie Omega Man. Uh, And Pontypool 183 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: was one that popped up I had forgotten about as 184 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: a great zombie film. That's just really small, low budget 185 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: smart movie. Yeah. Um one that one more that I 186 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: want to mention. Well, I'll mentioned just a couple in passing. 187 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of some of the Lucio Fulsey 188 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: Italian zombie films, like The Beyond to a limited extent 189 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: The House by the Cemetery that there's only one undead 190 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: creature in that and he's more of a mad scientist. 191 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: But one of the best that I would I would 192 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: just be remisfected to mention is Return the The Return 193 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: of the Living Dead. This one was directed by Dan O'Bannon. Wow. Really, Okay, 194 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: you were talking to me about this beforehand and I 195 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: didn't know much about it. But now that you've said 196 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: Dan O'Bannon, I have a much clear head idea in 197 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: my head of what what this is going to be, Like, Oh, yeah, 198 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: it's it's Dan O'Bannon. Maybe the crankiest person in any 199 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: of the Alien behind the scenes interviews, Like if you 200 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: ever watch any of the like DVD extras where they 201 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: talked to Dan O'Bannon, he's just not a happy camper. 202 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: Well he luckily for us he did. Uh. He did 203 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: have a role in some some pretty cool films here 204 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: and there, and this is one of them. This this 205 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: is a zombie film that it's fun, it has it 206 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: has some some gore moments, some wonderful zombie effects, but 207 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: the zombies talk, the zombies eat brains. It's it's faculous. 208 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: I think he had something to do with Life Force too, 209 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: didn't he the Toby Hooper one, Yes, you wrote the screenplay. Okay, yeah, 210 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean he was involved. That was right after this, 211 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, Alien, Blue, thunder Dead and Buried. He's had 212 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: he's had his hands Carpenter on what was Carpenter's first thing. 213 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: They worked on something together. Anyways, So you know you're 214 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: probably wondering, well, why are you guys nerd ing out 215 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: about this? Stop nerding out. Well, one thing that we're 216 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: actually starting to do along with some of our episodes, 217 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: and you may be familiar with this if you follow 218 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: us on social media, is, uh, we're trying to do 219 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: every couple of Fridays a Facebook live event where we 220 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: do trailer talk about the science that we cover in 221 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: the podcast that week over movie trailers that are related 222 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: to what we're doing. So probably uh, this week that 223 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: we're recording this, so those of you who are listening 224 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: that this will have happened in the past, but we'll 225 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: do a zombie trailer thing along the lines of this episode. 226 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: It will be on our Facebook and you can watch. 227 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: It will be Robert and I talking over trailers, basically 228 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: applying what we what we learned here today and what 229 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: is that. Well, so this is the general idea here 230 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: seems to be and this isn't just the University of Lester, 231 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: but it seems to be using theoretical zombie science to 232 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: teach the public about the importance of public health and 233 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: disaster preparedness. Um. Now that the university's press release for 234 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: the specific thing that we're going to talk about today, 235 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: they say that their science Topics module is trying to 236 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: add a sense of humor to teaching sound scientific principles 237 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: to help communicate science to the public. Now, I have 238 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: to note here, though, there was a huge disclaimer from 239 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: the university at the top of the press release to 240 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: make sure that everybody knew that the release didn't actually, 241 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: uh like represent the institution's views. Uh. And I find 242 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: that funny having formally worked in academia. I'll talk a 243 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: little bit about that later in the episode. But basically, 244 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: they've got this undergraduate program, and these undergraduates are assigned 245 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: to write and critique and publish their own research papers 246 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: in a group. Uh. And they apply the scientific principles 247 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: to phenomena from things like pop culture or everyday life. 248 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: So you get these zombie studies, you get, um, something 249 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: similar to the episode that you and I did on 250 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: vampire physics and stuff like that. The purpose isn't to 251 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: actually learn zombie science. The purpose is to teach these 252 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: students in the public that's reading their work about how 253 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: scientific principles can be applied in the real world. So 254 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: it's it's really a communications method. Yeah, and for the 255 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: most party tends to work these studies, and this was 256 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: not you know, like you said, this is not the 257 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: first study to do this. They've been a few different 258 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: that have tackled zombies, vampire one. I don't know if 259 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: there's been a werewolf one or one that tackles Frankenstein's right, 260 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: but somebody get on a franken staff, how how how 261 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: do frank Stein's spread? Let us know, um, But but 262 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: you know that these are the studies that do capture 263 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: public attention. They show up on stuff like the Colbert Report, 264 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's worth it's worth keeping. They're worth 265 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: doing in my opinion. So the papers, the way that 266 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: it works is they're openly published in the university's own 267 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: online journal, and this is an open access journal that 268 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: anybody can read, and they're scrutinized at the same level 269 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: that you know, regular academic papers would be that are published. 270 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: They encourage these undergraduates to have a realistic introduction to 271 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: how difficult academic publishing and peer review is, and it 272 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: prepares them for a career in scientific research. Uh So 273 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: they introduced this their department. It's actually not that new 274 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: of a thing. They started doing this in UM. Of course, 275 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: some people have criticized them for taking trivial there. They 276 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: say they're trivializing science, and they also say that they're 277 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: wasting public funds unquote zany non topics. The scholars who 278 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: are running the program actually argue, well, it's more about 279 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: the communication and teaching than it is about the actual research. 280 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: Now this is where I'm going to talk about my 281 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: own experience here UM with this type of thinking in academia. 282 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: So I've mentioned this before, but I used to work 283 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: at a state university here in Atlanta. I was in 284 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: public relations there, so part of my job was to 285 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: get people interested in the library in particular, and while 286 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: I was there, they there were a couple of instances 287 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: that popped up that were like this, and I saw 288 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: firsthand the gnashing of teeth of these academics who saw, 289 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: this is trivializing what we do, This is such a waste. 290 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: One of them was that the library wanted to do 291 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: like a zombie gag kind of video trailer, uh, that 292 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: taught people how to use the library. So like the 293 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: gag was like students were trapped in a study room 294 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: and there were zombies all around them and they needed 295 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: to use like library resources to to get help, right. Um, 296 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Also around the same time, and you 297 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: and I talked about this the c d C. This 298 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: was in two thousand nine, the CDC started this public 299 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: advocacy program where they did a whole thing about zombies. Uh. 300 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: The CDC is based here in Atlanta, and I mean, 301 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: I guess I think it's it's safe to say a 302 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: lot of the universities here feel like a sort of 303 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: affinity and connection with the CDC and that it represents 304 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: them somehow. And man, did I hear people complaining about that, like, oh, 305 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: what is the CDC doing? This is such a waste 306 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: of time. And it was the same effort. Basically, the 307 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: idea was like I think they had like a zombie 308 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: kind of like preparedness guide or blog or something like that. 309 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: It was silly, but it was the idea wasn't like, hey, 310 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: zombies are real. It was Hey, we're the CDC, We're real. 311 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: You should know about us, and like maybe if you 312 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: come and you take a look at this stuff, you'll 313 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: learn about what we actually do. Yeah, I mean the 314 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: criticism here also reminds me of the critics of the 315 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: Ignoble Prize. You have in the past said, oh, well, 316 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: this trivializes science. You're high you're you're making fun of science. 317 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: You're you're highlighting studies that aren't important, that sort of thing, 318 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, I think, uh, those tend to be just 319 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: a few outliers for the most part, I feel, but 320 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: I think it's obviously more about just having fun with 321 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: the topic and generating some attention to to the to 322 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: these particular studies that are in the case of the 323 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: Ignoble Prizes, and none of them are ridiculous. We've we've 324 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: covered them before on the show two years running, where 325 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: we really highlight that, yeah, each of these studies actually 326 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: is doing something of scientific importance. It may not be, uh, 327 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: it may not be curing cancer, and it may seem 328 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: a little bit shrimp on a treadmill to you, but 329 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: it's all part of the scientific effort. Yeah. And in 330 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: my experience, like most of the people who get upset 331 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: about this are are old guard academics who you know, 332 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: it's threatening to them. They feel like it's threatening their routine. 333 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: It's just, you know, I think, a regular kind of 334 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: cyclical thing that happens in academia. And you do see 335 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: other outlets engaged in this sort of thing on a 336 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: regular basis. For instance, the British Medical Journal, they put 337 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: out a Christmas edition every year where they play around 338 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: with the format a bit more. And in two thousand 339 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: fifteen they actually put out a paper Zombie Infections Epidemiology, 340 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: Treatment and Prevention by Tara Smith, Associate professor at Kent 341 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: State University in Ohio. And this was a tongue in 342 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: cheek article that that explored the idea of a zombie outbreak. Yeah. Yeah, 343 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: And so we've got a lot of stuff like that 344 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: out there. I think if you've heard about it, like 345 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: we've heard about it, and you've seen them running on 346 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: sites like I think I first saw it on Live 347 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: Science and then actually here at how stuff works. We 348 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: ended up running an article about it. Um. Uh. You know, 349 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: I see it as like this is a great way 350 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: to get people interested in communicating about actual, real life 351 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: public health issues. Um. And it's interesting we saw that 352 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: in our Facebook thread and so some of those comments 353 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 1: I want to bring into it today after we go 354 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: through these studies, because there was a lot of a 355 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: lot of react is a lot of arguing that was 356 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: very logical. But if they had read the studies all 357 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: the way through, I think most of their questions would 358 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: have been answered. And not to mention, this kind of 359 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: project really speaks to our own mission here. It's suptable 360 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: in your mind what we try to do with the 361 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: show as well make science accessible and fun Alright, Well, 362 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: on that note, I think maybe we should take a 363 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: quick break and when we come back, let's jump into 364 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: the study and talk about exactly what it consists. Off. Okay, 365 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: we're back. So there's actually two studies that were done 366 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: here at this at the University of Leicester, uh. And 367 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: the students that were involved. Their names were ct Davies, 368 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: kJ Cheshire are Garrett Lee and Jay Moore, and they 369 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: used a real epidemiological model to figure out how long 370 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: it would take zombies to wipe out humanity. They did 371 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: two studies, the second of which concluded that there would 372 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: be less than three hundred survivors remaining after one hundred 373 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: days of a zombie outbreak, So there's some hope. Uh, 374 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm tentatively calling this a hundred days later 375 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: because they're using them basically like what would what what 376 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: would it look like? Specifically a hundred days after the outbreak? 377 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: They assumed the following in their study. The first was 378 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: that a zombie can find one person each day, and 379 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: the second was that a zombie has a nine chance 380 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: of infecting their victims, which seems pretty high. By day 381 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: one hundred, they calculated there would only be two hundred 382 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: and seventy three remaining humans, with a million to one 383 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: zombies to that, so there would be two hundred and 384 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: seventy three million zombies. They considered that the probability of 385 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: infection would actually become less realistic as the zombie to 386 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: human ratio increases, so that that will be important later 387 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: because that was a common complaint of some of the people. 388 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: Would just be harder for the remaining humans to be 389 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: infected because there would just be too many zombies too 390 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: few humans, and the humans that are left are probably 391 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: hardened to the realities exactly like we see on Walking Death, Like, 392 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: if you're by the later seasons, you should know when 393 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: to reach into the zombie horde with a hammer exactly. Yeah, yeah, 394 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: you've developed the necessary skills. So the model they used 395 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: is a real model. That's called the S I R model, 396 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: and it describes the spread of a disease throughout a population. 397 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: It considers the rates at which infections spread and die 398 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: off as individuals and the population come into contact with 399 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: each other. So this seems like an important thing that 400 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: we should, you know, have a basic understanding of. It 401 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: splits the population into three categories. The first is those 402 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: who are susceptible to the infection, that's the S, those 403 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: who are infected that's the eye, and those that have 404 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: either died or recovered, and that's the R. It's considered 405 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: the rates at which infections spread and die off as 406 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: individuals in the population come into contact with each other, 407 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: and it's defined by three equations. There's a bunch of 408 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: math in this. I'm not going to read out like 409 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: sigma whatever to you. You know, you can go look 410 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: at these if you want to. They're readily available online. Um, 411 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: but we want to make this accessible to you as well. 412 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: The team here they re christened the s R s 413 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: I R model as the s z D model because 414 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: because the z I infected are their zombies and are 415 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: is actually they're dead, which includes both dead zombies actual 416 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: dead not undead, and and dead people. Uh and this 417 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: reflected susceptible zombie and dead categories. Now, a constraint of 418 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: the model that we should note is that each person 419 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: in it moves from being susceptible to being a zombie 420 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: to being dead. This model does not account for simply 421 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: going from being susceptible to being dead. Okay, so doesn't 422 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: account for ways that human beings could die other than 423 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: by being killed by a zombie in a zombie apocalypse, which, 424 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: as we've seen in all kinds of zombie entertainment, more 425 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: often than not, your fellow humans are even more dangerous 426 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: than the zombies are during crises like that. All right, 427 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: So here's the first study. It was called a zombie epidemic, 428 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: and it did not factor in the following natural birth 429 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: or death rates during this hypothetical epidemic. They assumed that 430 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: over the course of a hundred days that these would 431 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: be negligible compared to the impact of the zombie virus 432 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: within that time frame, and their calculations suggested that with 433 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: an equal distribution of global populations, the human race would 434 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: get totally wiped out. Now another thing to consider here 435 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: is their calculation had estimated a zombie outbreak as being 436 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,239 Speaker 1: roughly twice as contagious as the Black Death was. So 437 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: they had they had to have some basis point basically 438 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: to to set up what their numbers would be, right, 439 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: So they looked to it's the closest thing we've had, 440 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: and they saw Black Death and said, let's use that. 441 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: In addition, they estimated that a zombies lifetime would only 442 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: be twenty days before they starved to death, basically and 443 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: rendering them effectively dead. Now this brings to mind, like 444 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: some of you out there going well, zombies are already dead. 445 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 1: Why would why would they need to why would they 446 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: need to drink? Right? It reminds me of the end 447 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: of twenty eight days later. Uh, where the zombies you 448 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: know they crave like coming into contact with people. In 449 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: that case, they're like rage zombies but but they do 450 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: they need to like consume energy the same way any 451 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: other being does, and so like they run out of steam. Basically, 452 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: that's the question that always comes. But from me when 453 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: I watched The Walking Dead? At what point do you 454 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: outlast these things that right that they're they're standing there, 455 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: they're rotting, They're reduced to skeletons. You've got to think 456 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: if they're craving flesh or brains or whatever, they must 457 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: need it for something. It's probably fuel the same way 458 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: that like we crave food and water. Yeah, do they 459 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: do they put out heat? If not, then they must 460 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: be freezing during the winters. Uh. And if so, that's 461 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: going to damage the tissue even more. I mean, you 462 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: can go on and on picking scientific calls in the 463 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: zombie myth. Another aspect of the study was factoring in 464 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: the rate of the infection and how it would spread 465 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: across geographical boundaries. So to do this, they added to 466 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: the formula as a system that prevented a very low 467 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: amount of zombies being able to start an infection when 468 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: a regional population was much higher in proportion. I think, 469 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: like for example, they said like point ten zombies versus 470 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: like a hundred humans, it would be totally unrealistic for 471 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: the zombies to really do anything, right, the numbers have 472 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: to sort of come closer to one another in terms 473 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: of population. However, this assumes that the global population is 474 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: evenly distributed across the regions that are all adjacent to 475 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: one another. Right, So they're basically like, let's say it's 476 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: county to county that like, there's fifty people in each county, right, 477 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: even though like in real life, our populations are much 478 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: more diversely and spread out. So that basic model in 479 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: the first study found that it would take twenty days 480 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: for the infection to spread to a noticeable fraction of 481 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: the population. Once that happened, the remaining population would be 482 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: quickly overtaken, with only a hundred and eighty one survivors 483 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: versus one point nine times one hundred and eight zombies 484 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: after a hundred days. But if you stagger the infection 485 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: due to geographical segregation, and I think what they're talking 486 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: about there is what I mentioned earlier, like that there 487 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: would be a variety in how many people would be 488 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: in each adjacent area to the I guess h ground 489 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: zero for this, then they would have two hundred and 490 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: seventy three survivors on day one hundred versus one point 491 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: nine times one hundred and six zombies. But still a 492 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: shred of hope. Yeah, little, I mean, you've got yeah, 493 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: you've got a couple of people. What they didn't do 494 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: is extrapolate how much longer out it would take for those, 495 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: you know, two hundred seventy three people to be overwhelmed 496 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: by the one point nine times on SI zombies. But 497 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of hope there. Yeah, maybe if 498 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: you hold up, if you follow my plan available online. Now. 499 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: Uh So, they recognized that there there were some flaws 500 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: in this study, right, as you know, as we'll find 501 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people pointed out to them online. Uh 502 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: So they did a second study, and they called this 503 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: another zombie epidemic, and they introduced parameters that allowed for 504 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: the zombies to be killed and for people to have 505 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: children during a zombie apocalypse. Now, this made human survival 506 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: more feasible, and it suggested that eventually the zombies would 507 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: be totally wiped out and humanity would recover for reproduction. 508 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: They assumed, and this was kind of wild to me. 509 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: They assumed that any given half of the population would 510 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: be able to pair up and reproduce, and they gave 511 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: birth to one baby every three years. They acknowledged that 512 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: this was unstable if we had a population level like 513 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: our current one, right, but they said it was suitable 514 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: for their purposes since the population was so small from 515 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: the zombie devastation. They also factored in that half of 516 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: the population of the susceptible people would be female, and 517 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: half of those females would be able to bear children. 518 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: So I mean, okay, they're they're just kind of going 519 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: with some averages here. It sounds like to me. Yeah, Now, 520 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: of course, I know a number of people were thinking 521 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: out there, these children are going to be nothing but 522 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: a liability until at least Oh, I don't know what's 523 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: a good zombie fighting age. Yeah, I mean from the 524 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: I guess the Walking deads are best. Example. Carl like 525 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: starts off at like, I don't know, eleven or twelve, 526 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: and he's probably like fourteen by the time the show 527 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: is currently up to play. Yeah, Like, I'm trying to 528 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: think of, like TVs Trust to Kill Zombie. Could could 529 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: Opie have killed children? Have not killed children? Could Opie 530 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: have killed b could definitely have killed children? You know, Um, Yeah, 531 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: but you know, you know what I mean, It's like, 532 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: at what point are they actually gonna be able to 533 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: contribute to the survival effort? Hear? I wonder if it's 534 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: a sort of along the Lenes what we were talking 535 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: about in our expense episode in terms of like the 536 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: ages for draft ability for warfare. But I don't know. 537 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: I theoretically, I guess high schoolers would be great. I 538 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: mean red don Yeah. But hey, that also reminds me 539 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: of my favorite zombie movie, Night of the Comment. The 540 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: two girls in that are high school aged girls and 541 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: they do a pretty good job, but their dad like 542 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: taught them how to shoot doozies I think, or something 543 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: like that. Okay, back to this study, and they had 544 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: some other parameters to to try to make it more 545 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: quote realistic. They altered the infection probability to vary as 546 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: the system evolved, accounting for survivors being able to kill 547 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: the zombies and considering the population the reproduction rate. So 548 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 1: they also extended the lifetime of the zombie from twenty 549 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: days to one year to make them more formidable. I 550 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: don't know what the rationale behind that was. What do 551 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: you think I mean, twenty days seems like a legitimate 552 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: time for okay, assuming a zombie needs to eat to 553 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: keep cruising along and not just fall apart. Twenty days 554 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: sounds reasonable to me. That's longer than you and I 555 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: could go. Yeah, I guess you can make a case 556 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: for either one. And it's one of those situations where 557 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: if you start trying to pick it apart, it's kind 558 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: of fall apart pretty easily. A year seems long to me. 559 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: But then, like you know, most of our zombie entertainment, 560 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: you see zombies that look like they've been totally rotting 561 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: away for longer. Yeah, I mean it. It raises the question, 562 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: is this the creature continue to rot because it's are 563 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: it's muscles contributing to its movement or if there's some 564 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: just how supernatural is the effect? Exactly? Good call? Okay, Well, 565 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: when they introduce this, it'll loud for the rate of 566 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: change in the zombie population to change by the rate 567 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: at which the susceptible population could kill them, So there's 568 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: some more fluctuation and variety here. It also increased the 569 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: rate of change of the dead population by the same amount, 570 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: so that kind of makes sense to write. Is that 571 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: like that as they're killing off zombies or as the 572 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: zombies are dying from hunger, or as the people are dying. 573 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: Theoretically that the dead, the number of dead would pile up. Now, 574 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: with these alterations, the students found that it was more 575 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: likely that humanity would survive a zombie apocalypse under these 576 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: constraints and could wipe out the zombies after one and 577 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: three days. So that seems significantly better than what we 578 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: got last time. Last time it was there was a 579 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: glimmer of hope, but it seemed pretty daunting. Now here's 580 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: my question. We talked about this earlier. Fast zombies versus 581 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: slow zombies. There's no in these papers, there's no definition 582 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: of what kind of mombies we're talking about here. Okay, 583 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna assume they're fast zombies. An probability of infection 584 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: rate seems really high to me. I mean, if those 585 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: were slow zombies, then what would the infection rate of 586 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: a fast zombie like or something? Yeah, I mean, based 587 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: on just our viewing of various zombie films, that for 588 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: the slow zombies, you're you're really only in danger A 589 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: in the in the early goings and you don't know 590 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: what's up B when there is a very high population 591 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: density of zombies. You're dealing with zombie horde, and maybe 592 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: you're factor into a constrained space, urban environment, etcetera. Uh, 593 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: and beyond that, just like sheer human stupidity, right yeah, 594 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: which granted, never, never should we we underestimate pure human stupidity, 595 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: students stupidity to get in our way of survival. This 596 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: is true. Watch any episode of The Walking Dead for 597 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: further reference. Uh. So yeah, I mean I'm going to 598 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: assume that they're fast already, but I'm curious what you 599 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: guys out there think. Okay, let's take another break, and 600 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: then when we get back, we're going to talk about 601 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: the commentary that surrounded this, at least for us, and 602 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: then we'll look at one more zombie study. All right, 603 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: we're back. So, yeah, you belief you were the one 604 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: who shared the original study on Facebook. How did folks react? Well, 605 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: it was very popular. I mean, we pay attention to 606 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 1: our our Facebook metrics and we see what succeeds and 607 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: what doesn't. It help us. It helps us to choose 608 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: what to talk about in the future, right Uh. And 609 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: it was extremely popular, but several people took issue with 610 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: the student's methodology, though not all of them seem to 611 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: have read past the headline or the first paragraph. So 612 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: for me, I was considering, like, what their mission here 613 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: wasn't the zombie research, it was the communication. Like if 614 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: we go back to what what their actual goal was here, 615 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: Let's remember these are undergraduate students there. I'm presumably the 616 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: same age as we would be here in the United States, 617 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: like eighteen to twenty two years old, um, and that 618 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: the goal was for them to learn what it's like 619 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: to put their research out there in the world and 620 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: then to have it hacked a bits, right, And I 621 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: thought it was an interesting lesson in terms of that, 622 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,439 Speaker 1: especially in terms of consumption of digital media. I'd also 623 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: argue all these comments showed that the university's campaign to 624 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: get people to think about public health we're pretty effective 625 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: because as as uh, you know, interesting and kind of 626 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: argumentative and pedantic at some as some of this stuff is, 627 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: it got people thinking about public health in a logical way. Yeah, 628 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, the arguments that they make are things that 629 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: we're actually addressed in the study. So here's one of 630 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: the first ones that I pulled. Somebody on our Facebook 631 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: said this about the study, except there are some very 632 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: bad assumptions In their model, they basically assumed that people 633 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: the most powerful predators on Earth won't or can't fight back. 634 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: Now that's something that they address in the second study. 635 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: They ignore travel time e g. It's going to take 636 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: a long time for zombies to swim to continents and 637 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: islands not connected to the one where the outbreak starts 638 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: if people are smart enough not to fly them there 639 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: on airplanes, etcetera. That's true, But they do also address 640 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: the geographical adjacent population density, which I think was their 641 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: attempt to tackle that. And of course, the zombies are 642 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: going to run out of energy stored fat, etcetera. Before 643 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: they cross an ocean unless they're really good at grabbing 644 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: fish along the way. They also tackled that right and 645 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: that they gave the first study they had the twenty 646 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: days limit and then they had the one year limit 647 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: in the second study. Yeah, the the energy argument, I feel, 648 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: is one of those that it's it definitely blows a 649 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: hole and pretty much any zombie idea, So it's kind 650 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 1: of it's kind of out of out of the box 651 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: for the thought experiment, like where where is the first 652 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: couple of points that this person raised our are very 653 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: much in keeping with the thought experiment. Yeah, it's exactly. 654 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: It's like breaking the premise. Yeah, because I can't I 655 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: can see the validity here and saying you know, woulden 656 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: people fight back. Now you can make some arguments to 657 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: say that, hey, we we can look at real life 658 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: threats and help. People often fall back on normalcy bias. 659 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: They just they just assume this can't be happening, and 660 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: they have trouble actually reacting and readjusting to to the 661 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: new set of circumstances and the danger they're faced with. So, 662 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think we can go either way on that. 663 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: And as far as zombies traveling to other places, certainly, 664 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: the the idea of a full blown zombie being permitted 665 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: to board an airplane by T. S A is uh 666 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: what is hilarious and and maybe not practical. But but 667 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: the idea of an infected individual, certainly in a time 668 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: of chaos, is trying to flee to different places. Did 669 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: you see World War Z? Wasn't that like a big 670 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: plot point in World Wars? I think I did not 671 00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: see the movie. I read the book and really enjoy it. 672 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: So I remember a scene where there's a zombie that 673 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: was like trapped in the landing gear or something like that, 674 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: and like a stewardess goes and like opens up the 675 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: thing to figure out why the warning alarm is going off. 676 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: And those are fast zombies and like basically like the infected. 677 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: You have this instance in that movie where that one 678 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: zombie infects her and then just like this wave of 679 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: people getting infected moves from the back of the plane 680 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: toward the front of the plane. And it's like worst 681 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: case scenario right where you're on a plane and just 682 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: like there's no way out. What do I do? And 683 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: spoilers for World War Z, I guess, but like I 684 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: think what happens is like they crash the plane and 685 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: somehow Brad Pitt just like lives through a plane crash. Um, 686 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: I you know, I take you back. I think I 687 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: did see the movie, and the only thing I really 688 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,959 Speaker 1: remember is that they did have a very not only 689 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: fast zombies in terms of their speed, but just fast 690 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: in terms of the infection. Like you could see the 691 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: infection spread from street to street. And remember they could 692 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: like they moved like waves. Right, there was some kind 693 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: of it wasn't there even like a scene where that 694 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: like the zombies were sort of like ants, like a 695 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: hive and they would like pull helicopters down and stuff. 696 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,280 Speaker 1: It does make me realize that one of the advantageous 697 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: things about using zombies to study the spread of infectious 698 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: disease is that despite the fact that we all know 699 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 1: what diseases are essentially, you know, we experience illness, we 700 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: know how these things work, we know to wash our hands, 701 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: these are still kind of invisible forces to us. And 702 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: the zombie makes the invisible visible, and therefore we're maybe 703 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: a little more inclined to engage in in these thought experiments, 704 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: and then perhaps the residual knowledge will be useful in 705 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: thinking about actual legitimate diseases. We'll give you an example 706 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: that's pretty grounded and close to home for us. A Bola. Yeah, 707 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: so the c DCS here you may remember, like, what 708 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: was it like a year a little over a year 709 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,240 Speaker 1: ago when there was an abola scare. We had some 710 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: doctors who were infected with a bola brought back here 711 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: to Atlanta, and they were in a public hospital, not 712 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: in a CDC hospital, quarantined to be taken care of 713 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: for this, and there was huge concern throughout the city 714 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,919 Speaker 1: of oh They're bringing this infection to the city, We're 715 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: all gonna die. There's gonna be a huge bowla breakout. 716 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: And I remember just thinking like, well, clearly a lot 717 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: of these folks aren't educated on public health and transmission 718 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: of disease and how a bowler works. But like, well, 719 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: and people get emotional, paranoid and paranoid yeah about things 720 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: that threatened them. Yeah, absolutely, Uh but you know it 721 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: kind of makes you think, like, well, maybe if we 722 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: all just sat down and walked through the S I 723 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: R model, maybe maybe we've did that on CNN instead 724 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: of some of the stuff that's on there, we would 725 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: have a better understanding of what the likelihood of it 726 00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: of a traveling was. Right. Anyway, back to these zombie questions. So, okay, 727 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: the second one was another comment on Facebook, and this 728 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: person says, yes, but this study is super flawed. Is 729 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: zombie wouldn't have a nine chance of infecting someone every 730 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: day forever? Maybe the first weeks, but after that, I 731 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: know the percentage would stop would start dropping. Now, again, 732 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: that was something they addressed in the study that they 733 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: They definitely said that they accounted for the fluctuation at 734 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: least in the second study of whether would hold because 735 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: as we as we mentioned, right, like, if once you 736 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: reach kind of a saturation point of zombies, they're not 737 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: really that many other humans for you to be able 738 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 1: to infect, so that rate's going to go down. So 739 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: they did address that, um, and that's that. It's a 740 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: good point, but that's part of the study. Alright. Third 741 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: one here, the numbers here just don't make sense. As 742 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: the human population dwindles, so would the chance of a 743 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: zombie encountering a human. And you really can't predict stuff 744 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: like strategy, preparation, et cetera. Chances are there's going to 745 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: be a few communities scattered across the world that adapt. 746 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: So same thing they're basically arguing about, right, Yeah, you 747 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: can't account for things like strategy and preparation, of course not. 748 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: But this is a model, you know, it's it's not 749 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: predicting the future. But at the same time, yeah, nine 750 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: seemed high to me, you know, but basically the math 751 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: works out either way. Right, If you just change nine 752 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: to another number, you would it would just spit out 753 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: different results, right. Yeah. And then the last one was 754 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,439 Speaker 1: what we've talked about already. Somebody said zombies would last 755 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: less than forty eight hours because of phenomenon called bacteria 756 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: that would eat them up. Well, again, I think that's 757 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,399 Speaker 1: totally fair, but it breaks the thought experiment. So it's 758 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: it's we kind of have to dismiss it, even though 759 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: that is again one of one of the most valid 760 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: criticism the idea of zombies. Think we even have an 761 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: article on how stuff works that Joe adapted into a 762 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: video that it's something along the lines of like five 763 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: or ten ways why zombies would never work, and that 764 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: of course is one of the very first ones. But 765 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: you're breaking the premise of the thought. Yeah, so I 766 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: I would just say, like, if the project was designed 767 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: to teach these students anything, I think it taught them 768 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: how to have thick skins while people pop out of 769 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: the woodwork and I tell you what's wrong about something, 770 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: and I guess what. Welcome to academia. That's totally what 771 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: it's like. Well, welcome to U speak and social media too. 772 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: You don't have to be an academic to encounter people 773 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: who don't read the entire article. But if or have 774 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: legitimate issues with the study, I mean, that's that's part 775 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: of it. We we stuff to about your mind. We 776 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: we invite everyone to to give their their take on 777 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: a particular topic or you know, criticize it, what have you. Yeah, 778 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: and you know, the way I was taught at least 779 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,280 Speaker 1: was that like, when you are going through the rigors 780 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: of preparing a study like this, you should be prepared 781 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: to defend it in a public forum. And honestly, based 782 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: on all of these criticisms, I feel like these students 783 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 1: did a pretty good job. I'd give him an a. 784 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: You know, there are a couple of weird things here 785 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: and there in the paper, but like, for the most part, 786 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: they did what they're supposed to. Now, I do have 787 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: to to point out that there was a study that 788 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: came out in two thousand nine that covered basically the 789 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: same territory. This was a titled When Zombies Attack Mathematical 790 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: Modeling of an Outbreak of Zombie Infection and this was 791 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: by months Hudiya Ammad and Smith from the School of 792 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: Mathematics and Statistics at Carlton University. And this was published 793 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: in Infectious Disease Modeling Research Progress in two thousand nine, 794 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: right around the same time that the CDC was doing it. 795 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: That maybe that was our peak zombie zombie science. Yeah, 796 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: so this is a really cool study. It's actually available 797 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: online I'll try try to remember to include a link 798 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: to it on the landing page for this episode, because 799 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,280 Speaker 1: a lot of it, I'll of it breaks down into 800 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: equations and these different models, but I'm going to just 801 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: give you the high level of how it, how it 802 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: flows together, and you will definitely notice some similarities between 803 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: their approach UH and UH and the approach in the 804 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: previous study. So they first defined as much of a 805 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: generic pop culture zombie as possible, you know, falling back 806 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: on the slow zombie factoring in just the basic mundane stuff, 807 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,839 Speaker 1: not going with the more fun stuff like the idea 808 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: that they can talk and they only eat brains. I'm 809 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: awaiting that step like a reanimator kind of zombie. Oh yeah, 810 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: and how can we forget reanimated? It's a tremendously fun zombie. Um. 811 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,959 Speaker 1: So they busted out the model along three basic cases. Susceptibility, 812 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: s zombies, z and removed are very very similar, yeah, 813 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 1: like one letter difference. So these three classes are then 814 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: used in equations to spell out how zombie human interactions 815 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: lead to zombie removals, death and resurrection as zombies, etcetera. 816 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: Then they revised the model to include latent or infections, 817 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,760 Speaker 1: the idea that you'd be bitten and then you're infected 818 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: for a while and then you turn into a zombie. 819 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: Then they factored in a model for treatment and essentially, 820 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, curing it. They model though the effects of 821 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: partial quarantine of zombies. Uh. Then finally they factored in 822 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: impulsive eradication as they put it into the mix. What 823 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: is impulsive eradication? It sounds fun. Just kill the heck 824 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 1: out of So it's like, yeah, it's like one of 825 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 1: those scenes like where somebody just goes in with a 826 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 1: sledgehammer and machetty and yeah, yeah, okay, just destroy our 827 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: zombies especially uh. And it's all very equation based. Um, 828 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: you can look at the study, but unless this is 829 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: your thing, you're going to get as much out of 830 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: it as I'm describing here. But but here's what they 831 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: decided in the end quote. An outbreak of zombies infecting 832 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: humans is likely to be disastrous unless extremely aggressive tactics 833 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 1: are employed against the undead. While aggressive quarantine may eradicate 834 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 1: the infection, this is unlikely to happen in practice. A 835 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 1: cure what only result in some humans surviving the outbreak, 836 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,240 Speaker 1: although they will still coexist with zombies only sufficiently frequent 837 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,840 Speaker 1: attacks with increasing force will result in eradication, assuming the 838 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,399 Speaker 1: available resources can be mustered in time. So also this 839 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 1: is kind of interesting in comparison to the previous study. 840 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,319 Speaker 1: They say the longer the time scale of the of 841 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: the outbreak, the higher the likelihood of complete human extinction. 842 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: I think. I think if you took the math and 843 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,359 Speaker 1: you pushed it past a hundred days, I bet that 844 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,439 Speaker 1: study would have found the same thing. Okay, they said 845 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: that the key difference though, between this model and other 846 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: real world infectious disease models, like, really the only key 847 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: difference is the resurrection of the dead. Otherwise you're talking 848 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: about the same variables that play into considering the spread 849 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: of uh, you know, of plague orrible or what happened. 850 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 1: But they said, as far as the zombie scenario, if 851 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: if these fictional creatures were to suddenly rise up against us, 852 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: they say, hit hard, hit often, that's the only hope. Well, 853 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 1: I'm really impressed that they added the idea of a 854 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: cure in there. I don't think I've ever seen that 855 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: in any zombie fiction. I want to say that it 856 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: was I remember watching all the special features on a 857 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: Man Well, Mega man. And of course some fans are 858 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: probably gonna criticize and say, technically, that's a vampire film, 859 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: but it's kind of a hybrid, to be honest. I 860 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: want to say that when I watched the special features 861 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,799 Speaker 1: for Twenty Days Later, there was originally a different cut 862 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: for the third act, like, oh, the only story boarded it. 863 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,360 Speaker 1: They never filmed it, but it involved something about a 864 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 1: cure or a possible cure, but they ended up deciding 865 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,759 Speaker 1: it didn't work. I remember hearing about this that, like 866 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,719 Speaker 1: the idea was that the gym character would be infected 867 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 1: at the very end and they would be trying to 868 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 1: cure him. Yeah, and they're like having a conversation with 869 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: somebody on the other side of the door. I found 870 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,280 Speaker 1: it really interesting, especially since, like I said earlier, I'm 871 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 1: less in love with the third act of the film. 872 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: But I mean third acts are often difficult in films. 873 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: That's a that's a third act. That's like a happy 874 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 1: ending third act. And I think the other ones that 875 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: they had planned would have been like like real dour. Yeah, 876 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 1: I think this one was more dour, but yeah, we 877 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 1: don't see the cure for the zombie plague invoked a 878 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,279 Speaker 1: lot no, not really. Well, maybe give us examples if 879 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,920 Speaker 1: you if you use some of you out there are 880 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: going no, it's in this or whatever. Well, I mean 881 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,680 Speaker 1: it was kind of a there was a false idea 882 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,080 Speaker 1: of a cure in The Walking Dead, right, yeah, yeah, 883 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,320 Speaker 1: there's something like along those lines. And I think they 884 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: frequently run into characters who refused to accept that they're undead, 885 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,839 Speaker 1: and so they like are hoping that they can cure 886 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,359 Speaker 1: them and they'll come back. Well, here's here's the thought 887 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: to sort of close out on here. I guess it 888 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,359 Speaker 1: has been people have commented before that you see this, 889 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: You see zombie zombies have never gone away. We've just 890 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 1: continually are into zombies. But they say that there's this 891 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 1: relationship between political power in the United States and the 892 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: popularity of zombies, uh and or vampires. I heard about this. 893 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 1: They say that if you have a Democratic president, then 894 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 1: vampires are in, and if you have a Republican president, 895 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: zombies are in. So if this holds true at all, 896 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: I guess we can expect to encounter even more zombie 897 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:24,280 Speaker 1: fiction over the next four years unless you classify President 898 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 1: elect and I guess at the time this publisher's President 899 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump as something else, and both supporters and opponents 900 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: have certainly framed him as such. So maybe we're going 901 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: to see a new craze. Maybe it'll be mummies, maybe 902 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 1: it'll be uh fish people. That Mummy movie is coming 903 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: out next summer, And man, didn't we talk about this. 904 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,440 Speaker 1: They're they're remaking Creature from the Black Lagoon in theory. 905 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,240 Speaker 1: I don't. I have not checked in on the project 906 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: to see where it stands, but that's one that's been 907 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're relaunching the whole Universal Monsters shared universe. 908 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,720 Speaker 1: I think the Mummies the spearhead for that. So maybe 909 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 1: that'll be and I would I would love to see that. 910 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: Would be something positive to come out of the next 911 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 1: four years. For sure. If we see just Gil people 912 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,720 Speaker 1: take over of Gil People, moving shadow over in Smith 913 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 1: comes in the full full swing as a as a 914 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: motion picture, I'd go for that. I'm down Dagon. Yeah, 915 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 1: great movie remake of Z a K. Blood Water is 916 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: the Doctor Z. So to close out, I have a 917 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: question for you. If I was bitten and you knew 918 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,320 Speaker 1: I was gonna turn, would you kill me? Would you 919 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: be able to do it? Or would you just like 920 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 1: lock me in the podcast studio. Mm hmm, that's a 921 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,640 Speaker 1: tough question. Um, I guess I would. I would lock 922 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: you in the podcast studio, but I would I would 923 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: make sure, I like put a lethal amount of snacks 924 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,799 Speaker 1: in here or something, just so you could you could 925 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,320 Speaker 1: make the decision for yourself. That's nice. And yeah, like 926 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: I would just eat myself to death before that's very likely. Well, 927 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,120 Speaker 1: those of you out there, let us know, would you 928 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 1: kill me if I was bitten by a zombie? 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