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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Johns Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmulk. Thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: with us, coming to you from the Hackensack Reready in

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Speaker 1: Health podcast Studio, keep getting better, and now we welcome in.

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Speaker 1: Doug Kydie covers the New England Patriots for the Boston Herald,

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Speaker 1: also the host of the pats Chat podcast, Doug. What's

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Speaker 1: going on?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 3: Doing well? How are you doing, John?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. First of all, house San Francisco in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, Man.

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 2: San Francisco's nice where We're both on the East coast northeast,

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Speaker 2: so the weather is fantastic. I would say, first of all,

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Speaker 2: very a lot warmer, about sixty seventy degrees warmer than

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Speaker 2: is at home. The shuttle situation down to availability could

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Speaker 2: use some tweaking. I would say I've spent probably about

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Speaker 2: half the time here on a shuttle, But otherwise it's great.

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Speaker 3: No one likes to hear the media complain.

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Speaker 1: Traffic in the Bay Area bad. No way. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe that for a second.

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Speaker 2: I know, yeah, yeah, And things are just far away

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Speaker 2: from each other down here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine trying to kind of get that

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Speaker 1: whole barrier kind of evolved, which is what they try

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Speaker 1: to do for these events. All right. So the reason

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Speaker 1: we're having dug On today, folks, is that he covers

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Speaker 1: the Patriots and Giant fans have brought this up that

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Speaker 1: the Patriots what a very similar situation to the Giants

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Speaker 1: are right now before this season, hiring a new head

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Speaker 1: coach of the history of winning second year quarterback that

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Speaker 1: was a first round pick, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to lead you anywhere in this podcast,

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Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna lay it out for you. What

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Speaker 1: do you think was We'll start the most important, key,

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Speaker 1: most important, key factor to the Patriots turnaround from going

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Speaker 1: top five pick last year, two consecutive four win seasons

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Speaker 1: to being in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: The number one thing to me was Drake May's ascension.

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Speaker 2: Just I think that bringing in Josh McDaniels, who was

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Speaker 2: huge for that, but also just the natural progression of

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Speaker 2: a quarterback from year one to year two. Obviously much

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Speaker 2: better head coach, much better structure in place. All of

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Speaker 2: those things play a major factor. But for me, the

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Speaker 2: number one thing that goes from four wins to fourteen

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Speaker 2: wins was Drake May, but there was a lot of

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Speaker 2: other factors involved. Mike Rabel the clear number two basically

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Speaker 2: a one A just bringing in the culture that he did,

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Speaker 2: the buy in that he did, and the other things

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Speaker 2: are maybe a little bit more fluky, like who hits

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Speaker 2: one hundred on a free agent class other than the

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Speaker 2: Patriots and then like to also hit the way that

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Speaker 2: they did on the draft class as well, Like those

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Speaker 2: aren't things that you can you can typically predict, but

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Speaker 2: an early round number three overall quarterback and a head

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Speaker 2: where with all those were really big?

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Speaker 1: Where did you well, let's talk with Jake Man. You

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Speaker 1: said that was number one. Where did you see the

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Speaker 1: biggest jump from him? And where do you think Josh

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Speaker 1: McDaniels impacted him the most?

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Speaker 2: I think accuracy was probably number one, and in just

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Speaker 2: not turning the ball over as much. And I think

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Speaker 2: that Josh McDaniels can control the second aspect a lot

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Speaker 2: more than the first aspect. The first aspect is just

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Speaker 2: being more comfortable in the NFL, growing as a quarterback,

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Speaker 2: but the lack of turnovers that he had in year one,

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Speaker 2: that's where Josh McDaniels plays along, and for years and

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Speaker 2: years and years, that was such a major factor in

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Speaker 3: And that's easy to.

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Speaker 2: Do when you've got Tom Brady at quarterback and he

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Speaker 2: just naturally doesn't turn the ball over. But last year

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Speaker 2: Drake May did turn the ball over quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: We've seen it take back up here in the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: but during the regular season he was protecting the ball

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Speaker 2: Beyond that, he picks and chooses his spots to run

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Speaker 2: He's scrambling to throw rather than just scrambling to pick

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Speaker 2: has to protect himself. I think that just the overall

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Speaker 2: When you know what you're seeing, when you know that

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Speaker 2: So he was just phenomenal early in the season and

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Speaker 2: of growth. But those are the biggest things I saw.

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Speaker 1: And mind they're standing is that McDaniel's really challenged him, right,

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of times with these young quarterbacks, coaches

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Speaker 1: But this has really been all right, well, this is

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Speaker 1: figuring out where to go based on what the defense

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that that's kind of a you know,

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Speaker 2: the Drake May can handle it. Obviously, and during the spring,

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Speaker 2: I think that they were still kind of feeling each

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Speaker 2: the Josh could give Drake, you know, with Drake, seeing

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Speaker 2: And I think that was a big aspect of giving

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Speaker 2: handle the mental aspect of the game, and obviously he's

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Speaker 2: got all the physical tools, then that's just gonna make

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Speaker 2: the offense so much easier to operate in when you've

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Speaker 2: got all of that at your Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, it's a long week.

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Speaker 2: I'm losing track of words, but uh yeah, when when

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Speaker 1: How much did May adjust to what McDaniel was having

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Speaker 1: how much did McDaniels say, all right, as I'm learning

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Speaker 1: Justice sipped his system to what May had a better

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that Josh tweaked his system a little

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Speaker 2: off for Josh McDaniels also helped in that respect, where

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Speaker 2: he was able to tour some other programs. He was

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Speaker 2: So I think that was a a big factor, is

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Speaker 2: that he was able to tailor the offense a little

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Speaker 2: bit more to Drake May. Josh McDaniels also isn't working

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Speaker 2: elements of the offense. But it was also obviously the

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Speaker 2: biggest thing is that Drake has to adjust to Josh

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Speaker 2: is still the system that Josh McDaniels was running with

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Speaker 2: the Patriots from you know, two thousand and seven until

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Speaker 2: he left in twenty twenty one. So that's The biggest

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Speaker 2: fact or is that Drake may definitely have to adjust

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Speaker 2: to a different system. It certainly fact certain factors helped

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Speaker 2: the offensive assistance, none of them have ever worked with

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Speaker 2: Josh before, but they had coached in the system that

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Speaker 2: good learning tool for Like quarterbacks coach Ashton Grant, he

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Speaker 2: a little bit for Drake May early on in the process.

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Speaker 1: Hoddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,

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Speaker 1: you gotta go over the middle with at the score great.

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Speaker 2: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but citizen does.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense of your money with citizens official Bank

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Speaker 2: of Eli Manning.

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Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. All right, Let's jump over

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Speaker 1: to Rabel Where did you see his stamp on the

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Speaker 1: organization and the team show up the most?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's really all over the place. And I

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Speaker 2: think the biggest thing overall I mentioned earlier is is

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Speaker 2: then you've only got by week one, like twenty seven

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Speaker 2: get the veterans to buy in. The rookies don't know

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Speaker 2: but the veteran like Morgan Moses, who's thirty four years

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Speaker 2: or a guy like Austin Hooper even who's thirty one

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Speaker 2: last couple of years. Like these guys can just get

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Speaker 2: a little bit jaded, but they're just as bought in

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Speaker 2: you're learning new people and you're like playing games with them,

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Speaker 2: like those are the type of things he was doing

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Speaker 2: with the Patriots it's back in the spring, Like all right,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna blind blindfold someone and then like have someone

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Speaker 2: else lead them around and like it sounds so cheesy

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Speaker 2: and corny, but the players actually really enjoyed it and

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Speaker 2: it allowed them to learn more about their teammates. And

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Speaker 2: anytime you ask any Patriots player, like what's the difference

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Speaker 2: this year? Why were you guys able to overcome so much?

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Speaker 2: Why were you able to go from four four and

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Speaker 2: thirteen to fourteen to three? Y'all just talk about, like

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Speaker 2: we care about each other as human beings. We learn

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Speaker 2: more about each other, like we're all friends, we're and like,

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Speaker 2: once again, that sounds so cliche and it sounds so cheesy,

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Speaker 2: but they clearly believe it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how much did Rabel try to put his imprint

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Speaker 1: simply McDaniels, this is your show, I'm getting out of

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think it was like that, because Rabel,

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Speaker 2: it really is that kind of like CEO type head

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Speaker 1: There are no metricstore statistics you could use to answer

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Speaker 2: I think one big thing is that the defense in

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Speaker 2: So that tells you that as the game was along,

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's get to the third thing you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: and I think it has to do a Rabel too, right,

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Speaker 1: figure out what they were good at, and then just

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Speaker 1: allow the player to do what they were good at.

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Speaker 1: So I wonder how much Rabel influenced some of these decisions.

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Speaker 1: And then just once he knew the players he had,

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Speaker 1: he figured out how to use them to get the

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Speaker 1: most out of their strength.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like a four pronged front office

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Speaker 2: right now with the Patriots, where Mike Rabel has a

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Speaker 2: big say as the head coach because outside of the crafts,

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Speaker 2: he's the most powerful person within the organization. And then

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Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf is the GM. It's not his title because

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Speaker 2: Patriots don't like giving out the title. He's the executive

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Speaker 2: vice President player Personnel. Then you've got Ryan Cowden below him,

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Speaker 2: who is the vice president of player Personnel. And then

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Speaker 2: you have John Striker Stretch, who I forgot exactly what

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Speaker 2: his title is, but he really has his hands in

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Speaker 2: almost everything, and he's got to say in personnel as well.

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Speaker 2: So it's really about the four of them all coming together.

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Speaker 2: But no, absolutely Rabel's got to say. They could say

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Speaker 2: that Elliot Wolf has the final say in personnel decisions,

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Speaker 2: but they really do have to all work together. And

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Speaker 2: obviously Rabel's not scouting the seventh round pack like Elliott

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Speaker 2: Wolf and Ryan Cowden are, but he knows what he

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Speaker 2: wants for this dumb and I was talking to Elliott

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Speaker 2: Wolf a couple of weeks ago and he said that

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Speaker 2: when Mike Rabel was first hired, he asked, Rabel, Okay,

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Speaker 2: give me a few games from the Titans. From your

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Speaker 2: time with the Titans, they really exemplify what you're looking

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Speaker 2: for in players, what you're looking for on offense, what

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Speaker 2: you're looking for on defense. US is the scouting staff.

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Speaker 2: We'll watch that and we'll have a better sense of

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Speaker 2: what you're looking for. And I think that even beyond that,

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Speaker 2: that allows them to have better conversations with Mike Rabel

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Speaker 2: and personnel too, to say like, hey, we think this

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Speaker 2: guy might be able to do that. We think that

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Speaker 2: this guy might be able to do that. And then

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Speaker 2: also it's just the coaching staff in general. I remember

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Speaker 2: midway through the season calevon Chason that you mentioned he

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Speaker 2: started last year as a practice squad player, with the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Now he's got a career high in sacks. He's a

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Speaker 2: starter on the edge. Mike Smith, the Patriots outside linebackers coach,

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Speaker 2: and Mike Rabel kind of identified him as being like, Hey,

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Speaker 2: this guy does a lot of the things that we

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Speaker 2: like as a player, Like why don't we scoop him up?

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Speaker 2: And he was a little bit later in the process.

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Speaker 2: And I mean that signing's worked out as well as

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Speaker 2: any of the other editions this offseason.

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Speaker 1: I Doug, do we miss anything and if not, just

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Speaker 1: give me your keys. How did the Patriots walk out

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Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl sixty with a win?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't think we missed anything too much on

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Speaker 2: the building process. It really has been kind of amazing

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Speaker 2: how it's all come together. But for them to win

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Speaker 2: this game, first of all, Drake May has to play

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Speaker 2: better than he's played in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not gonna I don't want to criticize anyone.

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Speaker 2: There was no reason to watch the Patriots during the

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Speaker 2: regular season, at least for the first half of it.

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Speaker 2: Like this team was supposed to win seven games whatever,

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Speaker 2: and they were on one o'clock with the fourth CBS

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Speaker 2: team like anyone outside of New England basically couldn't watch

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Speaker 2: the Patriots this year. But you can really tell the

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Speaker 2: people who've only watched the play Patriots in the playoffs

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Speaker 2: because they're like, oh, Drake May looks like he's like

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Speaker 2: you know, Brad Johnson out there, or like Trent Dilfer.

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Speaker 2: It's like no, no, no, no. He was a legitimate

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Speaker 2: MVP candidate for the season. He was fantastic. He has

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Speaker 2: to get back to that level in this game against

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Speaker 2: the Seahawks, and they have to keep continuing to play

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Speaker 2: their strengths. Patriots run defense has been incredible all season

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Speaker 2: as long as Williams and Roberts playing have been on

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Speaker 2: the field. They have to be able to neutralize Kenneth

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Speaker 2: Walker on offense. Christian Gonzalez, he's not gonna travel with Jackson,

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Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba, but when he's covering him, he's got

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Speaker 2: to be able to neutralize him and lock him down

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Speaker 2: as much as possible. And when he's not on him,

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Speaker 2: they're probably gonna be doubling Smith and Jigba, and they've

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Speaker 2: got to do their job because if they don't do

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Speaker 2: their job in a double team, that's gonna leave a

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Speaker 2: lot of other guys wide open. So those are really

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Speaker 2: my big keys in this game. If they can do

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Speaker 2: those things, I think they've got a really good chance

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Speaker 2: of winning this game. I still it's so tough to

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Speaker 2: know or to predict what's gonna happen in this one,

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Speaker 2: but I will say one thing, definitely, don't think it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be the blowout that a lot of people think

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 3: On the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Fed tell the folks, I think you'll find a way

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Speaker 1: a great work this week that I want to get

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Speaker 1: ready for the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Doug.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, go to Bostonhell dot com. Me and my

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Speaker 2: colleagues Andrew Callahan and Zach Cox have been doing so

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Speaker 2: it's some really interesting work this week on social media.

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Speaker 2: Doug Kyde, I think I'm the only Doug Kite in

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Speaker 2: the world. So Doug Kye d if you Google me,

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Speaker 2: you can find me there. And yeah, the pat Chat

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Speaker 2: podcast that's on the CLNS Media network, So check out

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Speaker 2: our podcast all the other great podcasts that are on there.

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Speaker 1: Doug Kuyde from The Boston Herald, Hey, we appreciate you

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Speaker 1: taking time out there at the Super Bowl. We know

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Speaker 1: with the schedule out there is crazy with all the

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Speaker 1: mediavls and everything. Enjoy the next couple of days as

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Speaker 1: well as you can, and have fun on Sunday, my friend,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely anytime, John, We thank Doug for joining us on

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Speaker 1: The Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, the

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Speaker 1: official bank of the Giants. Coming to you from the

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Speaker 1: Giants Podcast Studio, presented by Hackingsack and Marty House. Keep

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Speaker 1: getting better. I am John Schmilke. I have a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the super Bowl. Everybody