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Yes, not 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.800 only have you heard about it, you've seen it everywhere. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:14.600 You've seen Kevin Hart promoting DraftKings with Lebron James. 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:16.280 Are you a little too old to be playing football? 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:17.680 Wait? What they want? 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:18.560 Somebody that can run it? 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:18.840 Forty? 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:20.080 Now, somebody that is forty. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:25.360 You've seen fucking John Hamm promoting bet MGM. So they 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.200 pulled out the BETMGM app and put together a live parlay. 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:29.880 But what would the fourth leg be? 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.880 The big you are and those are just during commercials. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.880 You've also seen this stuff, like literally during the games. 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.959 I feel like I'm watching sports most days, probably more 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.280 than the average person. But I'm curious how often have 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:50.720 you two seen sports gambling promotional material in your lives? 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.120 I don't really watch sports besides baseball, but it's become 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:58.519 really annoying the amount of just sort of sports gambling, 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:03.440 odd stuff that like Apple has now started broadcasting baseball 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.080 games and they all have like the likelihood that this 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.320 next ball is going to be a strike. Just stuff 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:12.239 that's just like so inconsequential. Yeah, like graphics on screen 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.200 the entire game. 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.080 And like I feel like on baseball they have it 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.280 on the actual like not on the bottom. 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:19.520 I feel like I've seen it. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.760 Like it's Apple doesn't like Apple does it on screen. Yeah, like, 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.200 which is really crazy. Yeah, it's ins insane. The local stuff, 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.440 the local like my local s and ys, the Mets 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.400 local they don't do. It's not as in your face, 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.520 but it's like you're saying, it's every single commercial they 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.360 come back from break, they're talking about the odds. Yeah, 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.840 it's it's it just feels like in the beginning it 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.520 was really like, oh my god, it's just crazy. Now 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.440 it's just like so normalized. I don't even think about 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:46.000 it anymore. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.680 Yeah, and during basketball games you'll get like the live 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:53.120 odds thing, which just feels wrong, like they're literally trying 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.240 to win the game and it's like all these stats 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.160 and graphs and shit for me anyway ruins the like 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.520 experience of watching the Ax game. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:01.840 Yeah, yeah, I agreed. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.520 In case people don't know, sports betting is a type 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.800 of gambling, except instead of risking your money on poker 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.040 or roulette, you're risking your money on, for example, whether 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:16.760 the Lakers are going to win a game against the Celtics. Now, 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:18.359 it used to be the case that if you wanted 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.880 to bet on sports, you'd get your ass in the 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.719 car and drive all the way to like Atlantic City 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.240 or some casino in your area, and you'd place a 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:32.120 bet there. But in twenty eighteen, the Supreme Court struck 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.600 down a law that banned sports betting in most states. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.039 So because of that, you're now seeing this proliferation of 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.680 sports betting all over the place, and you can now 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:46.400 legally place a sports bet on your phone, which was, 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.960 you know, not the case before. I you know, I'll 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:54.880 be honest, I've I've dabbled. I've probably probably more than dabbled. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.760 On the record. Yeah, you're very much on the record 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:57.760 talking about it's got. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.520 To be transparent about this, and I think like, if 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.320 you're responsible, obviously it can be like a fun way 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.400 to kind of heighten the urgency of the watching experience. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.520 Have you guys ever placed a bed or I've dabbled. 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.640 Yeah, I'm clean now, but yeah, I mean there have 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.120 been times when, you know, I used to go to 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.080 a lot of NETS games and it would add a 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.800 layer of excitement to what would otherwise be a pretty boring, yeah, 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:26.560 unclimbactic game regular season when you you know, maybe you 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.159 want the Nets to win, but you need Julius Randall 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.640 from the Knicks at the time to score over a 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.279 certain amount and it's down to the last minute. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:35.360 It's exciting stuff. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:36.000 Yeah. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.120 Now, I never bet anything, you know, more than I 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:42.840 think fifty dollars in yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, making 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.360 some crazy parlay, which is, you know, laying a bunch 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.560 of random things to happen essentially and hopefully they all 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.200 happen to make you know, say one thousand dollars on 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:52.919 that fifty dollars. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.120 Yeah, it was an exciting high, you know. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.599 But yeah, I think I remember we went to a 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.240 Nets game together once and we would both have kind 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.200 of a bet riding, and I remember you won a 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:04.039 decent amount once. 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:09.599 Yeah, how to quit? Yeah, pretty much. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.000 Devin have you partaken at all? 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.520 No, nothing in my body wants to bet on sports, 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.120 especially because you know, I'm a fan of the Mets 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.839 and there's just so such an unpredictable team that I'm like, 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:24.839 I have I watched them every single day and I 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.080 have absolutely no idea what is going to happen day 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.560 to day. Yeah, so I am not putting money on 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.520 the line for this. Although you guys have You haven't 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:36.000 convinced me yet, but I guess my initial thought with 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.600 sports betting was like, you just got to pick who 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.160 wins and who loses, And I was like, I would 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:41.880 never do that because I don't know day to day 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.080 whether or not I'm actually gonna win. Yeah, But then 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.599 y'all talked about, oh, you can bet on smaller things, right, 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.480 you can bet on whether or not somebody gets a 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.760 certain amount of hits her. So that's a little bit 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.160 more fun because it's less you know, you're kind of 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.200 leaning into the uncertainty. Yeah, yeah, versus like trying to 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.560 make calculated decisions. It's a little bit more like feels 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.200 a little bit more like the lottery to some degree 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.279 of like, oh, right, you know I'm gonna put some 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.680 amount of money down and like if I lose it, whatever, 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.720 but you're not like thinking so much about it. You 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:12.920 have you know, obviously you have a little bit of insight, 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.160 but it's a lot of it is up to chance. 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:17.920 Yeah, I mean there's this kind of idea. I think 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:23.160 that it's different than regular gambling because you know, people 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.440 feel like they know sports, they know a team in 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.960 and out, and they feel like they can affect some 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.680 money coming their way because you know, they know that 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.240 show hao Tony's gonna get one hit per game. I 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.480 don't know if that's a real stat. I don't watch baseball, 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.920 but if you bet on that every game and he 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.120 does it most games, you know you're not gonna win 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.520 that much money. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.400 If it's an easy bet, then you're not gonna win them. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:56.240 Yeah, exactly. Just really quickly, I'll just go through like 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.760 the popular kinds of vets. One of them is called 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.200 the money line, which is literally just choosing which team 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.720 is gonna win. One of them is called the over under. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.040 You're just choosing whether the amount of points in a 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.080 game will be over x amount or under that amount, 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:13.840 and then the other one is the spread. So like 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.000 if the Vegas will determine that the Lakers are gonna 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.480 win by seven points, and then you can bet on 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.320 the Lakers covering that spread if you think they're gonna 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.600 win by more than seven points. Now, sports betting has 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.880 gotten a lot more complicated. There's like a million more 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.240 things you can do now, one of those things being 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:35.839 in recent history, the parlay, which is, for example, saying 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:37.920 that the Lakers are gonna win, they're gonna win by 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.640 over seven points and Lebron James is gonna score twenty points. 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.600 And the more things you add to the parlay, you know, 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:47.320 your bet becomes lottery esque. It just multiplies the amount 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.200 of the payout that you're gonna get, but also makes 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.200 it that much more unlikely. And I think it's that 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.559 kind of bet that I feel like, as you know, 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.319 the all these sports betting apps are promoting the most 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.880 because they know it's they're so unlikely, and that feels 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.280 kind of like dark and insidious to me. They're like 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.520 giving you free money to do these things so that 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.280 you can get hooked on it. And I have seen 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.280 people get hooked on it, like I know people. 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.040 Who are parlay specific parlays. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.880 But also like once you're in the app. I think 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.520 the app is like designed in a way almost like 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.959 social media, where like you're there's these like little dopamine. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.240 And there's promos and stuff like that too, so it's like, oh, 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.880 you'll get an extra point, like you'll get some credit 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:30.920 if you do a five leg parlay instead of a 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:31.600 three leg one. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.200 The worst kind of promotion I've seen is like, all right, 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.520 we're gonna give you free money to work with if 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.520 you make a parlay bet that's plus five hundred or longer, 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.280 which means like you're only you're only gonna get free 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.880 money if you make a bet. That's impossible. So it's 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.160 just like this kind of loop the cycle that keeps 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:52.640 you in there. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.079 My introduction to the parlay was uncut Gems. 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:00.000 That's right, se Yeah, famous example. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.480 This is me, all right, I'm not a fucking think. 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.080 This is my fucking way. This is how I went. 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.800 Look how that turned out did not did not work 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.120 out so good for Sandler. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.800 Yeah, that I think maybe Uncut Gems was that was 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.520 a little bit before uh it was not like betting 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:21.360 popped off online. Yeah, and I think it kind of 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:22.280 popularized it too. 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.200 I think they did a great job explaining what it 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.880 was too. Yeah in the movie, because I had no idea. 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:28.880 By the end, I understood. 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.559 Everyone pause this and come back in two hours. Yeah, 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.640 pull up you know, HBO Max. Yeah, if our explanation 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:41.280 didn't make sense, Yeah, So we'll talk to our guests 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.000 Danny in a little bit about kind of the detrimental 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.760 aspects of sports betting, what it's done to us as 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:48.400 a society. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:54.520 But briefly, there's also been controversy with sports betting fiascos 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.839 in the NBA, particularly where players are getting caught up 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:02.800 in allegedly rigging games. And so we know this has 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.840 happened with Johntay Porter. Michael Porter Junior's brother. 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.680 Toronto Raptors forward Johntay Porter has been banned from the 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.680 NBA for life, the league announced. The NBA said that 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:18.280 Porter provided confidential information to betters, limited his own participation 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.959 in games for gambling purposes and bet on. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.800 NBA games, and he's alleged to have like basically played 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.880 worse because someone else that he knew bet on the game, 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.120 bet on his unders. So maybe instead of jumping up 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.040 to get that rebound, he would let someone else do 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.760 it so that his friend's bet could hit. And then 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.120 more recently we've seen Terry Rozier. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:40.720 All right, tim breaking news. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.920 Is catching everybody by surprise, the FBI arresting NBA. 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.480 Player Terry Rozier early this morning. 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.880 In connection with a widespread sports betting investigation. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:50.640 And he's not the only. 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.000 One we know that that's bad, right, So, like sports 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:57.520 gambling is starting to permeate in actual sports. It's like 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.440 jeopardizing the kind of purity of the game when the 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.240 sports is supposed to be very merit based. Now you've 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.120 got the case where like this new phenomenon is causing 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:08.600 these players to play differently. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.080 It's come up of baseball too. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.199 Yeah, we just walk us through some of the baby 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:13.440 to Cleveland Guardians. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:18.199 I heard really, yeah, Guardians pitchers Emmanuel class and Luis 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:22.559 Ortiz had been charged with fraud, conspiracy, and rigging pitches. 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.959 Prosecutors said in the indictment that class A and Ortiz 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:30.000 through specific pitches for balls so betters could place prop 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:30.880 bets in profit. 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:32.600 So this is like you're like, you're talking about like 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.240 sick people like to be voting on a specifically pitch type. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:40.480 It's crazy. But these two pitchers have been indicted for 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.760 throwing specific pitches, and one of these was in the playoffs, 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.080 like purposely throwing a type of pitch you know, not 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.640 for a ball, they purposely like out of the strike 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.920 zone and having someone you know in connection to them 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.040 betting on that specific pitch type a lot of money 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.160 down and you know, getting a lot of money he 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.120 paid out for being correct on those pitches. And you 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.040 can say, oh, this is like, you know, what's the 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.160 big deal? You know, like these pitches didn't change the 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.720 outcome of a game. Sure, maybe not, but it is 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.679 like the sort of thing that like, Okay, this is 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.360 how you start right like you do to really Okay, 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.000 I'm just gonna throw this one pitch out of the 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.120 strike zone and then start out this batter not the 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.560 way I naturally would. But then you start to wonder, Okay, 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.680 if this is the only thing we caught, what else 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.160 are you actually doing behind the scenes. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.600 Yeah, it's really disturbing because there's clips now circulating of 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.079 like Terry Rozier like, yeah, putting up some horrific shots 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.200 or like losing the ball all the time, and in 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.359 ways that just look a little bit weird. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.720 And look he made that. May it may be legitimate, right, 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.959 maybe like you were just trash today, Yeah, Like these 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:46.720 pictures may be like, hey, you just didn't have your 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.920 stuff today. But now when you find out that, like, oh, 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.480 there may be something happening here, you start to question 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:52.719 on this. 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.000 Yeah, And that's what makes it so dangerous because I 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.600 know people are getting caught now, but I think it 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:02.000 is relatively easy to hide your assistance on someone else's bet. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.520 There was a clip of Lebron last year where he 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.640 was like in a postgame interview and he said that 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.640 some fan was screaming at him that he just needed 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.040 one more rebound from Lebron, yeah, so his bet could hit. 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:15.920 And then Lebron was like, so I just helped him out, 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:17.040 jumped up to get a rebound. 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.680 He definitely yo at me, got my intentions rebound. I'm 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:24.880 like what he was like, more so I got one 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:26.760 more and I pointed at him to acknowledge that I 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:27.320 was listening. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.400 And that's kind of like a funny moment, I guess, 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:33.000 but like underneath the surface, it's like, oh, that's kind 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.680 of dark. Yeah, all right, So we know that sports 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:41.320 betting has invaded the sports infrastructure in such a way 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.520 that is detrimental to the purity of the game. But 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.400 I am curious. It made me think about, like, what 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:52.000 if a player is betting on him or herself to 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:56.880 do well? M what if Lebron can bet on himself 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:01.600 to score, you know, thirty points? Should should that be allowed? 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.000 Because it it incentivizes him. 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.520 Exactly to do well. 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.200 I'm kind of curious, like what the pros and cons I'm. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.600 Trying to think of, you know, I'm trying to make 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:15.080 the argument. Of course, that sounds great. Maroone says, Hey, 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.600 I'm gonna try to score at least twenty points today 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:18.960 and if I get. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.880 That, I win whatever, two thousand dollars. 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:25.920 Like he needs it, whatever, whatever he wants to twenty 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:27.400 thousand dollars in the wine cellar. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:27.760 Whatever. 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:28.440 Yeah. 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:30.760 But the issue, though, I think it's like, if you 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.280 can do that openly, then it's like, who's to say 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.840 he's not making a little carve out for his friends 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.680 on the Celtics who he's playing against. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.480 Yeah, to make sure, you know, to make sure he 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:40.440 does now points. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:41.840 Okay, I'm not gonna block him so hard so I 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.320 can get a piece of this. 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:44.960 Yeah, I think. 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.720 It's it seems simple, But then it's like so easily 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.000 opens it up to anything else. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:50.640 Yeah, so unless you you all. 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.160 Have secret bets and some it's some system that then 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:54.520 like why are we making it? 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.680 Like why no, can't be secret, gotta be all out 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.680 and open. Yeah. So you know, like you want to 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:00.560 put all these other odds and stuff on the screen. 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:04.640 I want to see what Lebron is betting on himself. Yeah, 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.480 and it's like, you know, there's no more underground. There's 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.040 no no more underground, you know, get rid of the 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.320 on it. We're legalizing, you know, like you say legalized drugs, 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:14.680 We're gonna legalize sports betting. 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:19.160 So like it's just gonna. 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.240 Just all out in the open. I think, you know, 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:21.360 I think about it. 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.400 Or what if it was as simple as you know, 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.560 he's only allowed to bet on the Lakers to win, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:28.880 not like necessary. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.400 Yeah, you could pick out what like you know, I 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.400 think there's ways you could work it out. So you're 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.880 not getting so specific that like it's altering, like you're 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:37.520 saying whether or not somebody's gonna put up a shot 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.680 or something. But I think about this, like I don't 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.400 know how it works with contracts and you know, the 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.560 sports that y'all watch all the other sports besides baseball. 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:53.080 Yeah, sounds a degree, watch sports if you call those sports. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.240 But like in baseball, right, especially with say someone has 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.920 kind of like an off year, or they're injured to what, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.040 or there'll be incentives that like, hey, in this contract, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.560 if you start a certain amount of games, if you 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.440 win whatever award, if you you know, get a certain 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:13.000 amount of strikeouts or home runs, whatever, you'll get a 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:18.040 bonus added to your contract. Exactly. How is that so 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.919 different than betting? Right, Like, if someone because this has 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.720 come up where it's like someone may have let's say, 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.280 you know, a pitcher needs you know, one hundred and 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:32.520 fifty innings to get that contract clause, and they have 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.680 one hundred and forty nine and it's the last game 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.760 of the season, and the manager is like, do I 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.359 got Do I take this guy out or give him? 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:40.399 Do I give him another pitch? 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:40.960 You know? 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:42.639 And people start the second guess like, oh, they took 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.199 himut because they didn't want to pay that out. You know. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.320 So like that sort of stuff does happen. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.520 That's a good point. I mean that happens in football 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.480 all the time, where let's say there's a wide receiver 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.520 who needs one more touchdown to like trigger some clause 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:56.119 in his contract. 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.680 Do you drop up a play knowing that and then you. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:03.120 Know, if it's a substantial amount of money, could you 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.359 then talk to the guy on the other team, like 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.080 who's covering you? Be like, hey, I thirty some of this. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.640 If you let me get you, let me get this touch. 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.200 Games out of hand, let me catch Yeah, I'm gonna. 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.200 I hadn't thought about performance bonuses, that them being similar 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.000 to you know, betting on yourself. 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.640 Yeah, I guess those are long term goals. 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.760 Though, Yeah, like you can't do it every game. 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.480 I think the per game ones is I think scary 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.600 or like, I think that's a bad, bad hole to 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:29.160 go down. 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.480 Because then even if we decide it's ethically okay, it's 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.400 still I think affects the like sanctity of the game. 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.960 Where like, let's say Lebron James is allowed to bet 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.840 on the Lakers to win, he might be making different 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.320 decisions at the end of that game than he would have. 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:46.880 He might feel like, oh my god, the only way 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.720 we're gonna win is if I take this last shot instead. 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:50.240 Who cares? 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:52.440 Who cares that the team? 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.280 I guess Yeah, I just mean it's it changes the 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:57.520 dynamic a little bit. 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.000 Yeah, I guess I think I think it should be 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:04.440 more for either full games or more team based than 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:05.920 individual based. 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:06.800 I think once we're. 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.040 Doing this individual stuff, that's when you're gonna get kind 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.320 of the more selfish play from maybe players who aren't 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.399 Lebron who can Maybe. 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.440 People are egos that are bigger than so. 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:20.040