Speaker 1: Hello everyone. Before we jump into our Pod Meets World
Speaker 1: recap of season two, episode three, Notorious, Um, we wanted
Speaker 1: to briefly mentioned that, Um, boy Meets World and Girl
Speaker 1: Meets World has lost a very special person in our world,
Speaker 1: Matthew Nelson. Um. He was a writer on What's what season?
Speaker 1: Did Matt start season two? Season three, It's a little later,
Speaker 1: three three, Boy Meets World, I think, and then was
Speaker 1: there through the end, and then was there for all
Speaker 1: three seasons of Girl Meets World and became one of
Speaker 1: the central voices of Boymouth World and Girlmate's World. He
Speaker 1: is one of the you know, pillars of the writing
Speaker 1: staff always um and just a break guy and then
Speaker 1: just yeah, I mean beyond the creative input that he had,
Speaker 1: was just like the the nicest, most loving, most most supportive,
Speaker 1: the kindest man. I'm going to miss him like crazy.
Speaker 1: I had no idea he was ill. Um, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was he was that ill. He
Speaker 1: He and I wrote a aspect pilot together right before
Speaker 1: the pandemic a little you know, it was like nineteen
Speaker 1: something like that. And Um, he had mentioned that he
Speaker 1: was ill, but didn't know how badly. Um. And then
Speaker 1: it was it and then you lose touch over the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Everybody kind of goes their own way. We'd finished the
Speaker 1: pilot and then it was you just heard he was gone,
Speaker 1: and it was yes, awful. Yeah. I found out about it.
Speaker 1: I saw someone else that we're close to had posted
Speaker 1: about it on social media, and I reached out to
Speaker 1: Jeff Minnell, who UM listeners of the podcast would obviously
Speaker 1: know too, because he's Jeff Minell, one of the other
Speaker 1: writers who came on, and they were very, very very close.
Speaker 1: Matt Nelson and Jeff Minell were best friends, and UM
Speaker 1: Minnell was very close to him in this this last
Speaker 1: period of his life when he was sick, and I
Speaker 1: reached out to him, and you know, it was a
Speaker 1: little like sent a desperate email, like, please tell me
Speaker 1: it isn't true, and he got back to me saying
Speaker 1: that it is. And UM writer, like you said, as
Speaker 1: far as just being one of the just kindest, most
Speaker 1: generous people, like he was so willing to help any
Speaker 1: one of us with absolutely anything outside of work. And
Speaker 1: Um loved writing, loved comedy, loved people who wanted to write,
Speaker 1: and and was happy to proof read stuff, and and
Speaker 1: and loved our show, loved and loved our characters. There's
Speaker 1: so much commitment to the world of What Meets World
Speaker 1: and eventually gos World. Um yea yeah, you always got
Speaker 1: the sense of Matt just cared above and beyond the job.
Speaker 1: Um cared about us as people, as individuals. Like my
Speaker 1: first episode directing was on Girl Mean World, his episode
Speaker 1: nine three, and he was so happy. First of all
Speaker 1: he did, he was always so gracious and always so supportive,
Speaker 1: and he was so happy. He was like all he
Speaker 1: expressed to me. He was like, I'm so happy you're
Speaker 1: directing my episode. And he just made me feel so good.
Speaker 1: And you know, of course I was nervous as hell,
Speaker 1: and he made me feel so supported and that you know,
Speaker 1: I could do no wrong, and that if anything, he
Speaker 1: was honored that I was directing his episode. Just like,
Speaker 1: oh man, such a bummer. Um wait, and when we
Speaker 1: start getting into boy, when we start getting into his episodes,
Speaker 1: there's you're gonna know what they are. There's a real
Speaker 1: voice to a Nelson episode. We always knew when it
Speaker 1: was in Matt Nelson episode. Well, let let me put
Speaker 1: it this way to our listeners. Um Nelson is the
Speaker 1: person who wrote perhaps the most famous epic lines from
Speaker 1: Boy Me World, which were fine The's last words of advice.
Speaker 1: Those were his um dream try do good. Um. That
Speaker 1: was in his episode, and that was originally in his
Speaker 1: draft of the script. I know because we had a
Speaker 1: whole conversation about it because I told him that there
Speaker 1: were fans out there who had gotten tattoos of that,
Speaker 1: and he was so um so excited. But yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean that is like distilled Matt Nelson. Um, just
Speaker 1: such a wonderful soul. Yeah, I mean he will. He
Speaker 1: will be greatly missed and a lot of love to
Speaker 1: his family and everyone who is close to him. All right,
Speaker 1: he's ready to jump into a recap. He would have
Speaker 1: been the first one that would have gone and transition
Speaker 1: to comedy. Optical flip Optical would have been the first
Speaker 1: one to write the perfect line for there. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. Well, welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel,
Speaker 1: I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfred ll. Here we
Speaker 1: are talking about season two, episode three, Notorious. It originally
Speaker 1: aired October seve The synopsis is that Sean tries to
Speaker 1: make a name for himself by pulling a prank in
Speaker 1: the school newspaper, and then Corey is forced to cover
Speaker 1: for him. Eric also dates a news senior. Eric is
Speaker 1: dating a girl. No, they're a different way. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a whole new thing for him. It's a whole new Week's,
Speaker 1: a whole new season, a whole new Eric. We're going
Speaker 1: to try girl crazy. It's funny because a lot of
Speaker 1: the show has chance. It evolved, but not that much.
Speaker 1: Not so much this one. We'll get into it. But
Speaker 1: this one is not only is he going crazy but
Speaker 1: also stupid. It's a combination of the two. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is true because this is this is one of the first,
Speaker 1: like I noticed, like the real stupid jokes we remember
Speaker 1: it ever starting this early. Neither neither Well, it's the
Speaker 1: stupid in my head that I didn't get. So no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: what Eric do now? So is the inaugural line like
Speaker 1: our neighbors to the north, because that was the one
Speaker 1: that struck me when you said that line, I was like, oh, Eric, dumb.
Speaker 1: I think it started with the trying to open the door.
Speaker 1: That's what I noticed was but to try and open
Speaker 1: the door happened after writers writers, when you leaving leaving
Speaker 1: the room, and yeah, the neighbors to the north and
Speaker 1: north as while you're starting, So yeah, it really did
Speaker 1: start with like, oh, and yet the way he kind
Speaker 1: of delivered it though, I almost thought, well, at least
Speaker 1: they're our neighbors to the north, seemed like maybe he
Speaker 1: was kind of making a joke. He wasn't, but there
Speaker 1: was at least the hint of like, maybe it's ironic.
Speaker 1: But yeah, um So this episode was directed by David Trayner.
Speaker 1: It was written by Jeff Sherman, and we have a
Speaker 1: lot of guest stars, not me, but we have Jason
Speaker 1: Marsden as No, I'm not I'm not you noticed, writer,
Speaker 1: Thank you. Danny McNulty is back as Harley Kiner, Blake
Speaker 1: Soaper as Joey the ratt, Ethan Supplia is Frankie, and
Speaker 1: Sydney Bennett as Desiree, Jill Novik as Molly, and Bob
Speaker 1: Larkin as Janitor Bud the Larks. I don't know did
Speaker 1: he come back? He came back? Right? Was the only Janitor?
Speaker 1: But I don't remember. I think so well. Janitor Bud
Speaker 1: is also in the Halloween episode, but it's a different
Speaker 1: Janitor Bud. It is is the name Janitor budds say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's Janitor Bud. Yes see, I have this
Speaker 1: whole like character of Janitor Bud looming large in my brain,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't remember if it's the same actor or
Speaker 1: the joke is that we just kept switching it up.
Speaker 1: But I guess it was probably because of this episode, right,
Speaker 1: like this is where we invented remember him killing at
Speaker 1: the table? Read? I remember that people loving his lines
Speaker 1: at the table and I guess that, yeah, I do too,
Speaker 1: And I think that's what it just worked because it
Speaker 1: was so funny that um, because I guess really his
Speaker 1: story function is that he's the witness too, you know
Speaker 1: who was in the newspaper off because when I first started,
Speaker 1: I was like, why is the janitor there? And then
Speaker 1: it came back. Um, But I think I think we
Speaker 1: see him quite a bit through season two and then
Speaker 1: into season three. Yeah, I can't wait. Okay cool? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we get our quick little cartoon open, and then
Speaker 1: we are in the school newspaper room, the journalism rooms
Speaker 1: of that opening man right right looks like eight BI
Speaker 1: Commodore A Commodore sixty four. Amazing. Uh So Corey and
Speaker 1: Sean come walking out of a room or into a
Speaker 1: room that says journalism, And we hear Eric and a
Speaker 1: girl in the newspaper office making conspicuous sounds. That's a
Speaker 1: good way to put it. Yeah, can starting off off
Speaker 1: the bat off the bats of moans and groans and
Speaker 1: what are they doing there? Season two, the Horny Boy era,
Speaker 1: Uh so truth is Molly new character Alert, who's played
Speaker 1: by Jill Novic is typing on the computer while Eric
Speaker 1: gives her a neck massage. And we started dating after
Speaker 1: this episode? Did you really Jill and I were together
Speaker 1: for a little six seven months if they had a
Speaker 1: crush on you exactly? And we find out about it
Speaker 1: thirty years later about my dating history of Team bat people, Well,
Speaker 1: it was dating everyone who came through the show a while. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. We were together, like legitimately together for a while.
Speaker 1: She played Young Seal Award on Sisters. I loved that show,
Speaker 1: so she was Young Seal Award on that and we
Speaker 1: just we got along. So we we we. I think
Speaker 1: this this point is the fact that you and I
Speaker 1: weren't actually that close big age difference at this time.
Speaker 1: This is and I were really hanging out and we'll
Speaker 1: get we'll get to a funny story a little later.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Jue and I started dating kind of during
Speaker 1: this episode. So Corey and Sean walk in because Eric
Speaker 1: said he would give them a ride home, and Corey
Speaker 1: places a cage with two rats on the desk, which
Speaker 1: scares Molly. They named the rats after themselves, Corey and Sean,
Speaker 1: and they're studying natural selection. Corey holds the rat up
Speaker 1: to kiss Molly and she runs out, leaving Eric to
Speaker 1: run after the brainy girl that's into him. And then
Speaker 1: the janitor warns Eric of a wet floor, but then
Speaker 1: Eric slips and falls off camera. We just get the
Speaker 1: audio of that and then his response the janitor's response
Speaker 1: are just good, good, great, so funny. Um. So, Corey
Speaker 1: and Sean, who are now alone, see the article left
Speaker 1: on the computer and decide to change Mr Feenie's name.
Speaker 1: It's introducing Mr Feenie as the school's new principle, and
Speaker 1: they decide to change the name. Sean changes it to well.
Speaker 1: Corey changes it first to teeny teeny, and then Sean's like,
Speaker 1: let me at it, and he sits down and he
Speaker 1: goes to Beanie Deanie Guinie Genie Leaney and then he
Speaker 1: lands on Weenie. Okay, were you guys bothered by the
Speaker 1: letting in this, like the way that the letters clearly
Speaker 1: didn't work unless it was a W like you did
Speaker 1: like every time it was in F. I was like,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't. The letting is not right, the spacing
Speaker 1: is not right. And then it goes to the W
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, it's like such old school computer
Speaker 1: graphic design. Yep, I bet you. This was like cutting
Speaker 1: edge to be able to do it was such a
Speaker 1: big deal. And you got a hot in there too.
Speaker 1: There was a hot back the first time in a while,
Speaker 1: which we hadn't seen it. That's that's making its old come.
Speaker 1: They like, we're gonna make this work. We're forcing it
Speaker 1: into season two. And then I mean, before going back
Speaker 1: a second to, I make a joke about cracking my
Speaker 1: mom's back before, Yes, something cracker back before a strange
Speaker 1: series of words in a row. I guess it's kind
Speaker 1: of funny, but it's nice to know that Verna is
Speaker 1: still around? Isn't her name? Verna still around? The joke
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the idea of like, whoa, what
Speaker 1: must his mother be like? If she needs her back
Speaker 1: cracked before American Gladiator, Like it's like it's like this classlessness,
Speaker 1: or if it's that she's so tough, like the the
Speaker 1: image of like cracking a woman's back. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of it, like I'm just
Speaker 1: so curious because we're developing Shawn's home life, but I
Speaker 1: don't know what it's. What is the picture that's developed
Speaker 1: we we've we have established a trailer park, and we've
Speaker 1: established in the first season, I think we established my
Speaker 1: uncle that's a bee's eating Gilbert grape mother. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's like this sad like maybe she doesn't get
Speaker 1: off the couch or she's sitting sitting around often. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also think they're going for which was very big
Speaker 1: in the eighties and early nineties. I think they're going
Speaker 1: for a Vera Peterson thing with this so on cheers
Speaker 1: Norm Peterson. You know Norm, Norm, you never saw you
Speaker 1: just writing stories about her and her name's Verna, Vera Verna.
Speaker 1: So I think they were kind of trying to establish
Speaker 1: like we're just gonna have crazy stories because I distinctly
Speaker 1: remember episodes down the line being at the monitors and
Speaker 1: there was another Verna story, and Michael turned to the
Speaker 1: writers and said, we can't do this. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: to meet this woman, right right, right. So my guess
Speaker 1: is they were trying to do like a Vera Peterson
Speaker 1: kind of thing, where there you're going to keep saying that,
Speaker 1: so Sean's home life is just unimaginably crazy and what
Speaker 1: that is, whatever's gonna be weird and funny and like
Speaker 1: sort of thrown away where you're like, what's going on
Speaker 1: with that kid's home life? That's especially what's going on
Speaker 1: with that kid's mom. Right, they were just going to
Speaker 1: Vera Peterson was just going to get crazier and crazier.
Speaker 1: But you were never a great way to put it.
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what was happening. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you're right. That totally makes sense. I wouldn't have thought
Speaker 1: of it until you said it. Well, but you're right
Speaker 1: that that really makes sense. Um, okay, so they've landed
Speaker 1: on Weeny. Corey feels the sting of consciousness, sorry, not consciousness,
Speaker 1: start again, He's conscious that was Eric. Corey feels the
Speaker 1: sting of conscience and changes it back to feeni before
Speaker 1: walking out. But Sean is still at the computer with
Speaker 1: a smirk on how about that look back that I
Speaker 1: guess that is who that is that is making a beat.
Speaker 1: I know, it's like just sort of twirling my lash.
Speaker 1: It is so over the top. Was like Jesus writer,
Speaker 1: to it down, God, to be fair. It is the
Speaker 1: button to a scene. It's the button to the open
Speaker 1: of the show. And you may have been told specifically
Speaker 1: we need something, we need a real we need a
Speaker 1: real button. That was my version of playing look about it,
Speaker 1: thinking about the button of a scene, and it's just subtle.
Speaker 1: What if it had just been you going, yeah, I'm interested.
Speaker 1: See that's that's more because then I'm like, what's going
Speaker 1: to happen? As opposed to me three, You're like, he's
Speaker 1: obviously going to be an evil little kid, the awful thing.
Speaker 1: I see your point, But I will say, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about it when we get there later. But I
Speaker 1: actually was super invested in what's going to happen in
Speaker 1: this episode, even though I did too. I find we
Speaker 1: will also talk about some over the top. Of course,
Speaker 1: from a little cartoon. We have real cartoony moments because
Speaker 1: we're sitcom. Maybe it's just cartoon. I think it is
Speaker 1: I I finally feel I finally felt settled, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's because I wasn't in it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I finally felt like, Okay, I'm I'm a little settled.
Speaker 1: I feel like I know these hallways now, I I
Speaker 1: know I know most of these characters. And then the
Speaker 1: new characters aren't out of left field for me. They
Speaker 1: make sense. I felt really comfortable already with Turner. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm into this Turner perspective. I felt
Speaker 1: I really liked it a new show, and now that
Speaker 1: we've taken in the fact that it's a new show,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm comfortable with watching it as I'm enjoying the
Speaker 1: new show. I'm letting I'm letting season one go away
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, it's an interesting what it was.
Speaker 1: And then moving forward, So one of the things I
Speaker 1: was wondering, um and we should probably have back on
Speaker 1: the show to ask him, it was like, what's up
Speaker 1: with Jeff Sherman and writing Sean is like getting in trouble,
Speaker 1: Like just like this is a but it also serves
Speaker 1: as an interesting counterpoint to the fugitive and that uh there,
Speaker 1: you know this episode doesn't it does have a hard
Speaker 1: felt moment for Corey, but like Sean, doesn't really you know,
Speaker 1: like I do the thing, but then it becomes not
Speaker 1: it doesn't really have anything to do with me, Like
Speaker 1: I just I was wondering and I don't even know
Speaker 1: how we would figure this out. If this is the
Speaker 1: only episode where a writer actually references one of their
Speaker 1: I know, because he does. You know, ever since last
Speaker 1: year when I blew up the mailbox? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: We do that a whole bunch. They referenced their own
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Speaker 1: We are in the school hallway. A bunch of kids
Speaker 1: are laughing seeing the school newspaper. Harley grabs the paper
Speaker 1: from from some of our background actors that I remembered
Speaker 1: very well and right, Okay, I was like, I know
Speaker 1: all these guys me too. It's like a whole I
Speaker 1: I know them all, I know all their faces. Now
Speaker 1: it's so strange, but I did so. Harley sees that
Speaker 1: they wrote weenie instead of Phoene on the front page,
Speaker 1: and he calmly says, I'm laughing, which I loved. I
Speaker 1: loved this for his character. Harley says he would like
Speaker 1: to meet whoever changed that name because he'd be a
Speaker 1: great addition to the gang. And Sean walks up to
Speaker 1: Harley and tries to tell him that he made the
Speaker 1: headline change, but Harley acts real tough before he can
Speaker 1: get that's great. This speaks exactly too. I feel like,
Speaker 1: Will didn't you bring this up right as we started
Speaker 1: season two where you were like, is there ever when
Speaker 1: Sean like wants to be part of the tough Guys gang? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it happens. You were almost immediately like all
Speaker 1: I want to do is be a part of their gang. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was it was perfect. It was your your
Speaker 1: intro for walking over. And then I cannot tell you
Speaker 1: how much I laughed at Blake's as Joey his reaction
Speaker 1: and saying because Harley's got a whole locker full of
Speaker 1: ears from guys who done the same thing, they glasses
Speaker 1: hang crooked now because they ain't got no ease. He's
Speaker 1: almost singing it exactly exactly. There's like a song to it,
Speaker 1: which of course we know him as a musician, and
Speaker 1: so it makes sense. But all I could think of
Speaker 1: when I watched it was, we've had this conversation before
Speaker 1: about people who see what's written on the page and
Speaker 1: just turn it into something totally just something magical. I
Speaker 1: guarantee you that was something fairly straightforward on the page
Speaker 1: that I would have never heard the way he did it,
Speaker 1: and yet it was so unbelievably funny to me. So
Speaker 1: I just it stood out to me. There are a
Speaker 1: couple of really funny lines in this episode that really
Speaker 1: stood out to me. You texted me about we will
Speaker 1: get to too, because I love that moment too. To um,
Speaker 1: so we'll get to that. Corey walks over to Sean
Speaker 1: with the paper, and Corey knows he made the change
Speaker 1: after all. Sean says he rules the school because he
Speaker 1: did it, even though no one knows. But that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's totally good enough for him. And then two girls
Speaker 1: walk by and say they would do anything for the
Speaker 1: guy who changed the headline, and Sean now says it's
Speaker 1: killing him that nobody knows. That was a little It's
Speaker 1: very sexual. It's just very sexual. I would do anything
Speaker 1: for the guy. Who was like yikes, well and the
Speaker 1: audience going, it's like, even even if it wasn't supposed
Speaker 1: to be, which it probably was, even if it wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to be, anytime you throw in ah, it makes
Speaker 1: it that way over the top. Yeah. Yeah. I also
Speaker 1: thought it was a really interesting shot that the way
Speaker 1: you couldn't even see the girl who was talking. You
Speaker 1: couldn't even see her face. She was completely hidden behind
Speaker 1: Ben and so you couldn't even see her until she
Speaker 1: was like rounding the corner. And I was like, that
Speaker 1: must have been the best take we had, but gone
Speaker 1: just use that one. We don't have anything else. Um.
Speaker 1: So then we are in Mr Turner's classroom and Mr
Speaker 1: Turner is teaching the class about the scarlet letter. He
Speaker 1: says it's all scandal and gossip that could have been
Speaker 1: out of today's headlines. And then he holds up the
Speaker 1: school newspaper with Mr Weenye on it, and then Mr
Speaker 1: Feeney walks in and says he's going room to room
Speaker 1: to ask whoever pulled the newspaper prank to confess. And
Speaker 1: I have a really funny admission here, he says. And
Speaker 1: if he or she or they confess and my first
Speaker 1: thought was how progressive I really And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you mean today as in more than one person that
Speaker 1: Sean and Corey at this point. But my first, my
Speaker 1: very first thought was wow, we were so progressive in
Speaker 1: ninety four, But it was actually just can I ask
Speaker 1: a question? And I'm just curious about this. I frankly
Speaker 1: thought the using the scarlet letter for the first time,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a bit of a stretch with
Speaker 1: this storyline. I get the whole gossip thing, but the
Speaker 1: scarlet Letter is very specifically based around a woman. It's
Speaker 1: very specific, like the scarlet letter means something, and it
Speaker 1: seems like just because there's gossip about changing the headline,
Speaker 1: it seemed like a bit of a stretch to correlate
Speaker 1: that to the Scarlet Letter. I don't know, it just
Speaker 1: seemed like they were trying, like there could have been
Speaker 1: better storylines using the scarlet Letter, in my opinion, then
Speaker 1: they change the headline and so people are talking because
Speaker 1: it's as Weeny. It just seemed a bit of a
Speaker 1: stretch for me. So literary, I've never read Scarlet Letter.
Speaker 1: It's locked, but it's good, but so basically ideas that
Speaker 1: she gets branded because she sleeps, she has to walk
Speaker 1: around with the scarlet a on her as for adulteress,
Speaker 1: and there's so it's it's essentially her holding her head
Speaker 1: up high and learning to, you know, to wear it
Speaker 1: proudly if she has to. But it's all gossip and conjecture.
Speaker 1: And but it's a very specific story, and it's not
Speaker 1: just because somebody gossips about somebody. I mean, there's sexual undertones,
Speaker 1: there's there's the rights of a woman. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: where where Corey and Tapanga fall asleep in the radio room,
Speaker 1: perfect is a perfect example, where then Corey lets people
Speaker 1: think that something happened between them Perfect Letter, where this
Speaker 1: one it was just like, yeah, just because somebody did
Speaker 1: something and there's some gossip about it doesn't necessarily make
Speaker 1: it the Scarlet Letter. It just we're so usually so
Speaker 1: good with putting in the literary kind of references, whether
Speaker 1: it was what we talked about that, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: it worked and Hamlet and all that, and then it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this little bit of a stretch, Yeah, but it didn't
Speaker 1: bump me. It didn't bump me so much that I
Speaker 1: was like it was just like, you're forcing the letter,
Speaker 1: but you know there's something too. I I totally get
Speaker 1: what you're saying well, and I, like I said, I
Speaker 1: didn't read it, but I would. I kind of agree
Speaker 1: because I didn't get the connection necessarily, But there is
Speaker 1: something to be said for a kids show to just
Speaker 1: name check these things is actually valuable in itself, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like so that a person
Speaker 1: watching TV on Friday night with their family is going
Speaker 1: to maybe remember the Scarlet Letter when they hear about
Speaker 1: that in high school years later or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of cool to just just accumulate. Uh,
Speaker 1: Like you know, one of the one of the people
Speaker 1: I love and I've always loved is Van Morrison. He's
Speaker 1: an amazing singer songwriter, and I became obsessed with him
Speaker 1: way back when I was probably like twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 1: And he's infamous for just sort of referencing literary stuff,
Speaker 1: like referencing poems and plays and books all the time
Speaker 1: in all of his songs and so often in my
Speaker 1: life though even and and and it's and in some
Speaker 1: ways he's just like kind of reading the reading list
Speaker 1: of like what he's reading at the time. But it
Speaker 1: served a really cool purpose for me, whereas where later
Speaker 1: on in life when I would encounter those books, I
Speaker 1: would have a familiarity with it just because of the
Speaker 1: Van Morrison song. Like they're just trying to make this
Speaker 1: as if it was the same type of thing. But
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying was wearing the scarlet w
Speaker 1: But I guess what I well it is that kind
Speaker 1: of does make sense write a letter. I guess I
Speaker 1: get what they're doing it, but I guess I'm just
Speaker 1: arguing in favor of making a literary historical cultural if
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily have to make sense, just for the
Speaker 1: value of, like our our audience just absorbing cool things
Speaker 1: that will pay. And I think what Will is saying
Speaker 1: is he agrees with you, but maybe there could have
Speaker 1: been something that tied in more closely and we could
Speaker 1: have had the best of both worlds. And now you
Speaker 1: know exactly what it's like when we go to dinner.
Speaker 1: It's I think writers saying, I think that Will is
Speaker 1: actually agreeing with you, it's just that Will's perspective. I'd
Speaker 1: like another double vacive rocks. Please think I'll see you
Speaker 1: guys at six six in the morning. Okay, um so yes? Uh.
Speaker 1: Corean Seawn look around in a very guilty manner, while
Speaker 1: Mr Fini is sayingever he she or they if they
Speaker 1: will just confess? And then we are in the Matthews
Speaker 1: kitchen and Eric shows Alan the school newspaper, which Alan
Speaker 1: actually thinks is very funny. Eric reads a letter from
Speaker 1: his girlfriend Molly that says her efforts at journalistic excellence
Speaker 1: have been forever compromised by Eric's limited intellect and profound immaturity.
Speaker 1: She thinks Eric did it. Amy walks in from behind
Speaker 1: Alan and slaps him on the head after he comments
Speaker 1: that marriage is so wonderful and the love bug will
Speaker 1: get you, and she says he forgot to clean the garage.
Speaker 1: Amy sees the paper and wonders, well, how did that happen?
Speaker 1: Morgan keeps yelling it says Wayney, and then Corey walks in.
Speaker 1: Now he is very well dressed, like she's coming from work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's the bricks, bright level work. What does Amy do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think she looks very professional, and she's she's she
Speaker 1: looks like she's coming from work. He's like home, you know,
Speaker 1: not working. Just I'm so curious, what's happening here. Also
Speaker 1: on the on the board behind Corey when he comes
Speaker 1: in on the board for the for the tou of,
Speaker 1: he's got to call like nine girls. It says, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like Corey called, Megan called called it. It's like
Speaker 1: what how are all these what? And then yes, I
Speaker 1: was watching it was Sue and I was like, can
Speaker 1: you see what it says in the corner there? She says, yeah,
Speaker 1: it says call the King of Siam. Was like, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's what it says, so like Jesus, yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't probably see it the same way I did.
Speaker 1: But there's some very strange things. If anybody can tell us.
Speaker 1: What is actually written on the board is a list
Speaker 1: of girls he has to call. I thought it was interesting,
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, Corey is a ladies man now. Uh So,
Speaker 1: then Eric realizes Corey was the last one in the
Speaker 1: newspaper office before everything went to the printers, and Amy
Speaker 1: asks Corey if he had something to do with it,
Speaker 1: and he says no, and then Morgan yells, Wayney, I
Speaker 1: can read, can read. I had a problem just very quickly,
Speaker 1: and it's just a personal thing. Brother Wise, I didn't
Speaker 1: like and I get why they did it for the story,
Speaker 1: it's not the writing. I didn't like Eric calling Corey
Speaker 1: out in front of his parents, like you don't want
Speaker 1: your brother, You don't want get your brother in trouble.
Speaker 1: You want to pull him aside and be like, dude,
Speaker 1: I know you're in the room. But I get why
Speaker 1: they did it, and I because I also don't. I
Speaker 1: think you just realized it at the in the in
Speaker 1: the moment, and it wasn't even that you were aware. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was more because I think it was more just
Speaker 1: that was the first time you had the thought. Because
Speaker 1: it was actually very good acting on your part. It
Speaker 1: seemed very much like the idea just came to you.
Speaker 1: You were like, I don't know how this could have happened.
Speaker 1: Molly thinks it's me, and yet there's no way, how
Speaker 1: could it A minute, I didn't like that that. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we called him out in front of
Speaker 1: his parents, But I get why they did it. Were
Speaker 1: you were just light bulbs were going off in your head.
Speaker 1: So then we're in the school hallway and Eric and
Speaker 1: Jason Marsden are studying as Molly walks by and tells
Speaker 1: Eric to get out of her sight and calls him vermicular,
Speaker 1: miscreant great words. And this is Jason's first appearance in
Speaker 1: the second season. It is and I forgot that this
Speaker 1: was the desire episode because like you with Trino, where
Speaker 1: you've talked about later, this was the first time they
Speaker 1: actually pulled me into an audition. I read with her
Speaker 1: because she does I think, I don't know, she just
Speaker 1: did this episode or she no, she does more than
Speaker 1: one episode. Um. So they called me in and this
Speaker 1: is the first time I was on the other side
Speaker 1: of of the audition room where I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I actually have to read with people. And I read
Speaker 1: with a number of girls, and they talked to me
Speaker 1: about what what did you think of this one and
Speaker 1: what do you think it was. It was the first
Speaker 1: time I got kind of the behind the scenes look
Speaker 1: at what the audition was process was like when you
Speaker 1: leave the room, because then I was there as they
Speaker 1: were discussing everything. Um. But yeah, we ended up Jason
Speaker 1: and I we asked that, you know, the we tried.
Speaker 1: We had a double date, so Jason went out with
Speaker 1: this girl and I went out with Jill, and we
Speaker 1: all went out to dinner one night, the four of us.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. She was very sweet and that was
Speaker 1: my first first time ever seeing that kind of audition process,
Speaker 1: which was interesting, so cool. So uh. Jason asks how
Speaker 1: it's going with Molly, and Eric calls her a man killer,
Speaker 1: and then Jason asks if he can call her, and
Speaker 1: then Eric, while holding your favorite folders Will Folders with
Speaker 1: the random sports on it, says he is done with
Speaker 1: women for his junior year and the next time he
Speaker 1: falls in love, Jason needs to talk him down. Eric
Speaker 1: turns around and it runs into a girl and spills
Speaker 1: red drink. Yeah, I know the red drink. I was
Speaker 1: wondering why I was drinking in the hallway. I was like,
Speaker 1: why did he? Why do I have this in the hallway?
Speaker 1: And then and she also has red drink in her hand.
Speaker 1: You know what's meant to be? This? This felt that,
Speaker 1: this this part felt forced. This this part here with
Speaker 1: the bump and the yeah and shoes and bought in
Speaker 1: New York. My pants, my shoes really are into accents
Speaker 1: this season, like everybody everybody got that New York note
Speaker 1: to be more New York. You got you know, Blake
Speaker 1: doing the ears and everybody's New York Atlanta and from Atlanta,
Speaker 1: and you are wearing will you were wearing the most
Speaker 1: giant pants I've ever said the same thing. She said
Speaker 1: they were made by a tent maker. Yes, yes, they
Speaker 1: are giant pants. And she says, when you say my shoes,
Speaker 1: and she says my shoes, she says, I just bought
Speaker 1: mine New York. I just bought mine New York. She
Speaker 1: was in New York. She may have been saying mine,
Speaker 1: but there is no separate word. I just bought my
Speaker 1: New York. Um. She sounds like a nineteen forties newspaper dame, right,
Speaker 1: she's more like a more like an eighteen fifties plantation owner.
Speaker 1: What maybe maybe it's like Southern Belle. I got the vape.
Speaker 1: So he looks up and she looks up, and they
Speaker 1: appear to like fall in love, and Jason is muttering
Speaker 1: bag of misery, bag of misery to remind Eric not
Speaker 1: to fall for her. Eric says sorry, and he tries
Speaker 1: to walk away, but the girl says her family just
Speaker 1: moved from Atlanta and it's her senior year and a
Speaker 1: brand new school, and she is lost. Eric keeps saying
Speaker 1: senior while Jason keeps saying misery. Bag. Eric throws Jason's
Speaker 1: books down the hall so he can go away, and
Speaker 1: then he walks away with Desiree Emmeline Hollinger Beaumont like
Speaker 1: you do. Yeah, yes, I got nothing, Okay. Sean walks
Speaker 1: by telling Corey that there is a rumor that the
Speaker 1: Whenie headline was just a typo and not his work.
Speaker 1: So he then shows Corey that he changed the name
Speaker 1: on the principal's office to Mr George Weeney. It is
Speaker 1: worth noting here that this is the ever changing door
Speaker 1: bathroom in the first episode, exactly the first two episodes.
Speaker 1: I think it was where Harley was going to beat
Speaker 1: Corey up. And we also in the first episode had
Speaker 1: clearly established Phoene's office when Ben went to it, where
Speaker 1: there was a completely different hallway. Yeah, there was another
Speaker 1: hallway with a whole like a set of offices which
Speaker 1: Phoene's office was off of. So now we just make
Speaker 1: it this door store and it's going to be a
Speaker 1: bunch of other things. It'll be closet. Yeah, it's that
Speaker 1: spot on set was whatever we needed that week. We
Speaker 1: ever make fun of it in a medicine, we must.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope we do. I hope I
Speaker 1: hope we do too, because it's ridiculous. It's really ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So you have written Sean has written Weenie in in
Speaker 1: like ink or paint or something on the door and
Speaker 1: Corey ends up reaching up his hand because he says
Speaker 1: there's a drip and he touches it. Uh, yes, gasps,
Speaker 1: I remember him. Yes. I feel like we might have
Speaker 1: done this multiple times or he does that, or we
Speaker 1: all although we have a gasp that we did together.
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember that we brought that back for
Speaker 1: a whole bunch? Yeah, I wonder if that came out
Speaker 1: of this, because this is really funny. Does it like
Speaker 1: three or four times? Is great? Yeah, it is very funny.
Speaker 1: Corey tells Sean that he is out of control, and
Speaker 1: Janitor Bud from earlier walks over with Mr Foenie. As
Speaker 1: Corey is standing in front of the door, thinking Corey
Speaker 1: did the name changing. Phoene says Janitor Bud saw him
Speaker 1: at the scene of the crime with his good eye,
Speaker 1: and Corey denies it. Corey then realizes he has black
Speaker 1: paint on his hand. Phoene. He says, my hands are clean,
Speaker 1: and he holds up his hand. Did anyone else notice
Speaker 1: that it was the wrong finger on the wrong hand. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he wipes. He wipes the letter with his left hand
Speaker 1: and then turns around left handed, and then when holds
Speaker 1: up the finger, the paint is on his right hand
Speaker 1: and bummed me out. But bummed me out. I was like,
Speaker 1: as a director, You're like, I would never let that fly.
Speaker 1: That would never happen. Um So, Phoene says Corey has
Speaker 1: until the end of the day tomorrow to give him
Speaker 1: the name of the person who did it, or else
Speaker 1: he will be suspended. Don So. Then we're back in
Speaker 1: the Matthews living room. Alan and Amy tell the entering
Speaker 1: Corey that Phoene called to tell them he's meeting with
Speaker 1: Corey in his office tomorrow and that he's they're supposed
Speaker 1: to ask Corey what it's about. Corey tells his parents
Speaker 1: that he has a friend who pulled a major brank
Speaker 1: at school, and Amy keeps saying it's Sean and he
Speaker 1: kep saying no, it was so funny seen. Rusty is
Speaker 1: so good in the show. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: to do with myself. I wish I had known this
Speaker 1: while we were working together. How good. Now he's hysterical yeah,
Speaker 1: so funny. The whole thing with her going Sean, Sean,
Speaker 1: it's Sean, and him going it's not Sean, and then
Speaker 1: Alan saying, no, he's saying it's not Sean. I believe
Speaker 1: him is of course it's Sean. Obviously it's Sean. Yes,
Speaker 1: so good, so good funny, and Alan says, well, Corey
Speaker 1: cannot route out his friend. Amy says, what are you
Speaker 1: in a prison movie? Which is so funny, and she
Speaker 1: says there are consequences in real life, and Amy says
Speaker 1: colleges will see suspended on Corey's record and if he
Speaker 1: doesn't rat, if he doesn't write out Sean. But Alan says,
Speaker 1: colleges will let you in as long as you have
Speaker 1: enough money. Amy asks do we have enough money? And
Speaker 1: then Alan turns to Corey and says, you have to
Speaker 1: write out end because we're poor. This might be my
Speaker 1: favorite boy meant world line of her. I love it.
Speaker 1: I think it's Rusties delivery. It's just just beat turned deliver,
Speaker 1: no inflection perfect, it's a that. Yeah, this whole scene
Speaker 1: is great. I just love like them all sort of
Speaker 1: figuring it out together, you know, like everyone's being smart,
Speaker 1: everyone's being sort of above the dialogue. It's just really
Speaker 1: well written and really well acted. This is like just quality.
Speaker 1: This is kind of what I've been wanting from season two.
Speaker 1: And I hope there's more of this, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not any less obvious. It's still very
Speaker 1: much a sitcom. It's still very much set up, set up, joke, joke,
Speaker 1: but it's just has this like effortless sort of intelligence
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, it's witty, you know, it's very witty,
Speaker 1: and um, I love it. And it has good pace,
Speaker 1: you know how somehow, like Michael was always big on pace,
Speaker 1: paste paste, and sometimes, like especially on Girl Meets World,
Speaker 1: that would feel like we were racing through things. This
Speaker 1: has that good pace where exactly like you said, right,
Speaker 1: or like everyone's just above it. It's well written, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's just great. It's so snappy. Yes, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really great to write out your friend because we're poor,
Speaker 1: I know, so so good. So Eric walks in and
Speaker 1: says I'm dating a senior. I'm special and says he
Speaker 1: has a newfound sense of self worth and then says
Speaker 1: nothing bad can happen, right, and walks out. It looks
Speaker 1: like Ben's about to break. If you go back and
Speaker 1: you watch as I leave, he's in all the way
Speaker 1: on the side of the couch and you can just
Speaker 1: he's making the bend about to break face you walking in,
Speaker 1: like we're talking about how great this scene until that moment,
Speaker 1: like you walk in and you just literally like declare,
Speaker 1: it's the set of lines, like here's my situation, so
Speaker 1: I could just get it all out really quickly so
Speaker 1: we can move on to the next scene perfectly. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's like they just ran out of pages
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, how can we get all of
Speaker 1: Wheel's information or Eric's information just have Will come in
Speaker 1: and tell them for no reason, we declare, it's that's
Speaker 1: like lazy right now. So you go from like this
Speaker 1: elevator witty writing to just like the laziest optical flip
Speaker 1: my life. My life is the best, nothing bad can happen,
Speaker 1: so funny. So we're back at the school hallway. Mr
Speaker 1: Peenie reminds Corey of their meeting, and Corey asks Phoenie
Speaker 1: Um that maybe he's just taking all of this a
Speaker 1: little too seriously. Phoene says, Corey knows who did it,
Speaker 1: and until then he can only talk to Corey about this.
Speaker 1: Sean runs up and asks Corey if he told on him,
Speaker 1: and Corey says no. Sean shows Corey the latest newspaper
Speaker 1: that has a correction notice that his real name. Phoenie's
Speaker 1: real name is Weenie Weenie A Bunch of Weeniees, Pg. Three. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: did anybody have any problem with Sean as a character?
Speaker 1: I see what they tried to do. I thought they
Speaker 1: could have gone a little farther with him putting Corey
Speaker 1: in a terrible situation, like he says, hey, ever since I,
Speaker 1: you know, blew up that mailbox, but he doesn't. He
Speaker 1: never dresses at all. Really that he's making his friend
Speaker 1: get suspended, and he seems to kind of not care
Speaker 1: where he's like, hey, thanks man. It's just like, wow,
Speaker 1: I felt like they could have addressed it a little more, like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, my dad's gonna kill you if I can.
Speaker 1: I'm so thank you for doing He doesn't exactly that one.
Speaker 1: He does one time, but a little more with it. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: this is kind of what I was saying. It's like
Speaker 1: as opposed to the Fugitive, which really went into the
Speaker 1: depth of the depths of Shawn's mystery. At Home. Like
Speaker 1: and and the struggle that seance, this one is much
Speaker 1: more so. I'm I'm there as a source of pressure
Speaker 1: for Corey, but it's definitely not played for realism or
Speaker 1: played for emotional value at all. That was fugitive Light. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: It's like taking the ideas of the fugitive Yeah. So
Speaker 1: the Weenie Weenie Weenie Weenie Weenie is a new prank,
Speaker 1: but Sean says he didn't do this one and someone
Speaker 1: ripped his idea. Harley, nearby with the gang, says the
Speaker 1: new article has flair and he is rolling on the floor.
Speaker 1: Frankie and Joey admit that they did it for Harley.
Speaker 1: And then Desiree is walking down the hall with Eric
Speaker 1: following behind her holding her books, and she asks Eric's
Speaker 1: to get Eric to get her cat neutered while she
Speaker 1: is at the mall. She seems to be playing him,
Speaker 1: and then she gives him a little kiss on the cheek.
Speaker 1: Jason comes up and by the way he is, did
Speaker 1: anyone else think he looked like he was wearing like
Speaker 1: a striped pajama nightgown, like a tiny Tim's that striped
Speaker 1: shirt reminding me like a tiny Tim nightgown. I wanted
Speaker 1: him to have a little nightgown and holding a little lantern.
Speaker 1: That's literally what I wanted to have a little lantern.
Speaker 1: And like, god, he's he's so comfortable, you know, just yeah,
Speaker 1: he's Jason. Yeah, he really seems like he's like in
Speaker 1: on the joke, in on the writing, like the writing
Speaker 1: is really him. Um. He asks if Eric is getting
Speaker 1: neutered along with the cat a two for one deal,
Speaker 1: and Desire comes back and asks Eric to drive around
Speaker 1: for forty minutes before picking her up to warm up
Speaker 1: the car. Skirts it into doing it by his na sentosty.
Speaker 1: Uh so now his new older pretty girlfriend Um bribes
Speaker 1: him to do that, and Jason teases him even more. Nearby,
Speaker 1: Sean asks Corey if he's playing basketball after school, but
Speaker 1: Corey says he has his meeting with Phoene about a
Speaker 1: prank he didn't do, and Sean thanks Corey for covering
Speaker 1: for him because his dad will ship him off to
Speaker 1: military school if there is one more screw up after
Speaker 1: the mailbox problem from last year. So this is the
Speaker 1: spot where he really does just call it? Were you
Speaker 1: dizzy with how many scenes are going on in one
Speaker 1: like this is This is a classic use of this
Speaker 1: hallway just divide and then suddenly there was this bench
Speaker 1: in the foreground that wasn't there before. It's like so
Speaker 1: many interesting like, you know, this just goes back to
Speaker 1: the theater basis of sitcom. You know, you can have
Speaker 1: like basically five scenes and one all these little groups
Speaker 1: of characters getting their own little corner and their own
Speaker 1: little It's just I was a little overwhelmed with this
Speaker 1: scene in particular, but it is it felt a little
Speaker 1: it didn't feel effortless this time, like I think it
Speaker 1: could have used especially when like Jason and you and
Speaker 1: you're seeing you guys just kind of like split up
Speaker 1: and walk away, just like there was no way to
Speaker 1: like it should have been carried maybe for one scene
Speaker 1: to the other. But super interesting, like how much it
Speaker 1: gets crammed into one scene. I mean, this must have
Speaker 1: been a monster during rehearsal, right, because it essentially becomes vignettes.
Speaker 1: It's just in one giant set. You know, it's very
Speaker 1: strange other and I remember rehearsing these would be some
Speaker 1: of the hardest because you would all be having to
Speaker 1: wait around for your sort of vignette. Do you remember,
Speaker 1: like Ben and I would be like whispering in the corner,
Speaker 1: like laughing, telling in jokes while other actors were trying
Speaker 1: to rehearse their scene. On the other it was always
Speaker 1: like you always be like quiet, were rehearsing over here, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to sit around and be patient for you're
Speaker 1: a bit big deep set, big wide set. Yeah. This
Speaker 1: was a cavernous kind of place. Yeah, And I didn't
Speaker 1: remember thinking when it came back to you guys sitting
Speaker 1: on the bench, My first thought was like, what have
Speaker 1: they been doing? Like, what were they doing that whole
Speaker 1: time while while that was going having some having some
Speaker 1: red drink, hanging out exactly drink. I can I can
Speaker 1: feel the painful sugar stinger. I can feel. Corey says
Speaker 1: he can only cover for Shawn for so long, and
Speaker 1: Sean asks how long. Phoenie walks by, reading Weenie in
Speaker 1: the paper and reminds Corey they have a meeting at
Speaker 1: three thirty. Mr Turner tells Poenie to go easy on Corey.
Speaker 1: He's at a This is like scene five. Now we're
Speaker 1: in a Turner and Phoenie. Okay, let's talk about Tony's tie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the time combo that was very strange. So I remember, uh,
Speaker 1: years ago, maybe eight years ago, somebody started a Twitter
Speaker 1: and maybe there was an Instagram too, but it's definitely
Speaker 1: Twitter case. I was only on Twitter at the time
Speaker 1: called Mr Turner's ties was a collection because apparently and
Speaker 1: I didn't know this Tony war crazy ties on our show,
Speaker 1: and I forgot about that whole Twitter feed everything until
Speaker 1: I saw this scene. I was like, look at that tie,
Speaker 1: and then I remembered that. So we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: start keeping track of his ties. This is certainly it's
Speaker 1: a bold tie. So I'm so curious. I know we
Speaker 1: should have we should have. We'll have to ask Tony
Speaker 1: when we bring him back on our show, because I
Speaker 1: wonder how much of this was Tony and then how
Speaker 1: much of this because this also reminded me we should
Speaker 1: talk about Sarah Markowitz, amazing, amazing wardrobe person who had
Speaker 1: costume designer her actual title head of wardrobe essentially, who
Speaker 1: came onto our second season and really defined the look
Speaker 1: of boy Man's. She brought some style, she brought I
Speaker 1: and it's still pretty stylers like she. I remember her
Speaker 1: coming in and she was very stylish herself, like the
Speaker 1: best tradition of great wardrobe people she would wear. Do
Speaker 1: you remember her giant pink coat that she would wear,
Speaker 1: like a giant pink fluffy, fluffy. I don't think it
Speaker 1: was actual, for it was like fake for the giant.
Speaker 1: She was just a character and she had such great style.
Speaker 1: And she was the first person to be like, you
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be wearing bowling shirts and I remember
Speaker 1: being like, what, what's a bowling shirt? She made us
Speaker 1: look so cool? Um, And she really is responsible for
Speaker 1: elevating the game because from season one, you know, we've
Speaker 1: made fun of the too much shirts and the hoods
Speaker 1: and the layers. She was the person who brought this
Speaker 1: new style, this sort of like hipster. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess it was kind of l a hipster because if
Speaker 1: you watched the movie Swingers which came out, it was
Speaker 1: that style. So she was ahead of the curve on that.
Speaker 1: But we had no I mean personally, I had no style.
Speaker 1: So you could see that she really brought that that
Speaker 1: look to the show. And I'm assuming she brought in
Speaker 1: Tony's ties too. Yeah, I have to Yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to also wonder how long Tony had to sit in
Speaker 1: wardrobe because It must have taken a good hour to
Speaker 1: paint on those jeans. Talk about nothing to the imagine Asian.
Speaker 1: It was like any He must have had to butter
Speaker 1: up his legs to get into those and he's got
Speaker 1: he's got like a cowboy belt, like a nice pell man.
Speaker 1: Just nuts. Yeah, but no, Sarah was great. I remember
Speaker 1: her one time. Just crazy is what I meant. Tony's
Speaker 1: the whole package. Um No, I remember. I remember Sarah
Speaker 1: coming in and telling us she moved into a kind
Speaker 1: of a conservative neighborhood and the first thing she did
Speaker 1: was paint her house bright pink man. She wanted to have.
Speaker 1: That was just her. She just had. How she's doing.
Speaker 1: I wonder what she's working on these days? I such
Speaker 1: a she was really great. All right, we'll find her,
Speaker 1: Sarah marco Witz. We'll go We'll go out there, we'll
Speaker 1: get our sleuthing hats on. Uh So Mr Turner tells
Speaker 1: we need to go easy on Corey because he's at
Speaker 1: a new school, and Phoeny says pointedly, as am I.
Speaker 1: And then we are in Mr Turner's classroom. Sean is
Speaker 1: falling asleep during Turner's lesson, which in per Fickedboy meets
Speaker 1: World Fashion is about the Scarlet Letter again and possibly
Speaker 1: writting on friends. Mr Turner asks Corey, So, I guess
Speaker 1: that's the more that's the more solid threat it's about.
Speaker 1: It's about writing whether or not you rat on your friend,
Speaker 1: but do you a more friend? In the Scarlet Letter
Speaker 1: is about turning people in that Yeah, there's yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a thing about because it's adultery is a thing. So
Speaker 1: you know whether or not you report on the people
Speaker 1: you know who are breaking the law kind of a thing.
Speaker 1: If you say that's something, say something writer when it
Speaker 1: comes to adultery. Okay, everybody knows that. So Mr Turner
Speaker 1: asked Corey to stay back after the bell rings, but
Speaker 1: Corey says he has his Pienie meeting, and Mr Turner says,
Speaker 1: first impressions really stick and can decide your reputation, Like
Speaker 1: if he calls Corey booger to more tomorrow morning, it
Speaker 1: would stay with him all through the rest of high school.
Speaker 1: As a teacher, he can influence others, like if someone
Speaker 1: wrote weenie in a school newspaper, I thought every time
Speaker 1: they were saying booger, I thought he was saying booker.
Speaker 1: And I at the end of the scene. I said
Speaker 1: to Jensen, I'm sorry, I don't understand. Booker is way
Speaker 1: cooler than Corey without your captions. You always as because
Speaker 1: we got a new TV and we got a new
Speaker 1: TV and the and it's not set up right basically,
Speaker 1: and so I'm watching without captions and I was I
Speaker 1: was like Booker Booker both times. And then I said
Speaker 1: that to Jensen goes Booger and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's why that's actually makes sense. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: love that Tony Turner won't give him like the absolute No,
Speaker 1: he's like, well, we'll see how I feel, like whether
Speaker 1: he's gonna actually know that band was worried. Oh it's that.
Speaker 1: That's great dialogue. Yeah, I love that. Like this first
Speaker 1: I think kind of phoene moment for Turner to show
Speaker 1: that he was going to give those kind of in part,
Speaker 1: those words of wisdom, but it was going to be
Speaker 1: different than the way Tony is finally comfortable, like there's
Speaker 1: no more of the yeah you know, yeah, posturing New York.
Speaker 1: Actually it's Mr Turner very comfortable. Yeah. Yeah, he's fantastic
Speaker 1: in this episode. Um, and so Mr Turner says he's
Speaker 1: not telling Shonda rad or not. He hopes that Corey
Speaker 1: would make that decision on his own. So then the
Speaker 1: moment of truth, we're in Mr Feenie's office. Corey walks
Speaker 1: in and apologizes for the headline. Mr Feenie says, it's
Speaker 1: nothing new. We need was his nickname growing up, and
Speaker 1: Pheny says, as the principal, it's his responsibility to keep
Speaker 1: order at the school and he has to control those
Speaker 1: kinds of pranks because they could lead to a level
Speaker 1: of disrespect. Corey says he cannot give the name of
Speaker 1: who pulled the prank, that's his final decision. Corey explains
Speaker 1: that this person did not mean to hurt anyone. He
Speaker 1: just wanted to do something to make him special, to
Speaker 1: make himself feel special. And I wonder if you guys
Speaker 1: are gonna I want to point out something that maybe
Speaker 1: you guys will also remember, or maybe you won't it
Speaker 1: all or if it bumped you, did it bump either
Speaker 1: one of you that Ben or Corey sat back in
Speaker 1: the chair in that moment, I honestly didn't even notice it. Okay,
Speaker 1: what is back? One of the one of the many
Speaker 1: very good lessons or things that I learned from Michael
Speaker 1: Jacobs over the course of doing Boy Meets World, and
Speaker 1: and maybe I learned it very specifically because there were
Speaker 1: a lot of moments that we're supposed to have a
Speaker 1: lot of tension between Corey and Tapanga, specifically that episode
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, the radio where we like fall asleep
Speaker 1: in the radio um room. Uh. Michael was very big
Speaker 1: on things that release tension from scene too early and
Speaker 1: not releasing the tension, not you don't release the tension.
Speaker 1: And one of them that he was very big on
Speaker 1: was not exhaling at the start of a line, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the audience will then exhale with you, and we
Speaker 1: need the audience to be holding their breath the same
Speaker 1: way you should be holding yours. And so in this
Speaker 1: scene when Corey is sitting there talking with Phoenie and
Speaker 1: he's like, I've made my you know, Phenie asks him,
Speaker 1: so that's it, that's your final decision, You've made it,
Speaker 1: and then Ben goes he didn't mean any harm by it,
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of like leans back in the chair,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I was like, Corey's not
Speaker 1: worried anymore. Corey's not I didn't even notice it. I
Speaker 1: felt I felt the tension release, and instead of watching
Speaker 1: it as like an audience member, I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe Michael let him do that. I can't believe Michael.
Speaker 1: Was it all over it? Don't sit back in the chair.
Speaker 1: But that was my first thought was that I felt like, Um,
Speaker 1: I did notice, maybe he's sitting back because he's already
Speaker 1: made his decision, you know, like he's going to take
Speaker 1: whatever he gets. So I can see what you're saying though,
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I mean, in a way, it's like
Speaker 1: the tension has been is Corey going to rat him
Speaker 1: his friend or not? So when we know that he's
Speaker 1: not that that part of the scene is over, He's
Speaker 1: now going to sit back and take what what's going
Speaker 1: to come to him. Um, but is that the tension
Speaker 1: in the scene because multiple times Sean has asked throughout
Speaker 1: the episode, did you rat on me? And Corey's answer
Speaker 1: is always what do you think? And we the audience
Speaker 1: are supposed to be with Sean and Corey of going, well,
Speaker 1: Corey's never going to rat on shan On, So I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't wondering as much whether or not Corey was
Speaker 1: going to turn him in as much as I was wondering,
Speaker 1: is Corey going to have to take suspension, what's the
Speaker 1: what's his what's his punishment going to be for being
Speaker 1: a good friend? So I see your point that, like,
Speaker 1: in some ways, if that's what you're thinking, the tension
Speaker 1: is he's made his decision and he's there to live
Speaker 1: with it. But in my mind, the tension was always
Speaker 1: how will he pay for this? So anyway, that was
Speaker 1: just something I remember those lessons as well. Don't don't
Speaker 1: exhale at the end of the scene, Yeah, because you
Speaker 1: you would do occasionally, you would do something very dramatic
Speaker 1: and you'd want to go like thank you line something
Speaker 1: you feel like you're about to make admission before a monologue,
Speaker 1: before a line. You don't exhale, don't walk and a laugh.
Speaker 1: P words are funny, Yeah, they're always waiting funny. Rule
Speaker 1: of threes ru threes. I thought this was probably my
Speaker 1: favorite episode of the season so far, which is a
Speaker 1: much on the third one. This is quintessential Boy meets
Speaker 1: World in that it creates a dilemma a situation and
Speaker 1: then leaves it like the dilemma remains right, like it's
Speaker 1: not resolved. When the credit came up. I was like that,
Speaker 1: but the well, it's resolved in that Phoenie learned, Like
Speaker 1: Phoenie comes to understand Corey's perspective, right, and and it's
Speaker 1: about Phoenie changing, Phoenie growing, and Phoenie saying, well, I
Speaker 1: know you as as a teacher. I still have to
Speaker 1: punish you, but I know you as a neighbor, and
Speaker 1: I respect your decision. Like that complexity and that willingness
Speaker 1: to just uh sort of let the conflict ring on
Speaker 1: is what makes Boy Meets World special because I feel
Speaker 1: like a lesser show, a more immature know I will say,
Speaker 1: or more sort of kid base show, would resolve the
Speaker 1: conflict with some sort of uh situation, you know, something
Speaker 1: would happen, someone else would like maybe Joey would get
Speaker 1: in trouble for having adjusted the and and take the
Speaker 1: fall for everything, or like there would be some sort
Speaker 1: of D s X mocking a factor that would like
Speaker 1: release the situation and we wouldn't have this problem. And
Speaker 1: instead it leaves. It puts the onus on Phoene to
Speaker 1: have to decide what to do, and he decides to
Speaker 1: still punish Corey, which is great, but also respect Corey's
Speaker 1: decision to not write out his friend. I just love
Speaker 1: that that nothing has actually changed, right like Sean did
Speaker 1: the thing. And then we just spent an entire episode
Speaker 1: discussing it and coming at it from all these different angles,
Speaker 1: and we we've had all these fun conversations and debates
Speaker 1: and the tension is there, but we didn't have to
Speaker 1: resolve it. We could still sort of come at it
Speaker 1: with with complexity. And that that's like the you know,
Speaker 1: I guess that's the best thing about point It's world.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that I'm most proud of you've been
Speaker 1: involved with. It's like that these these these lessons are
Speaker 1: not tidy, they still have value because we still have
Speaker 1: to We can still watch this episode and not feel
Speaker 1: completely comfortable one way or the other. Interesting. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it, the nuance, the Yeah, I completely agree with
Speaker 1: you there. It's uh, it's it's Phoenie and Corey the
Speaker 1: relationship at its absolute best. Um. So, Phoenie to your point.
Speaker 1: Phoenie says that being special is equality from within. As
Speaker 1: an example, it's like how Corey is standing up for
Speaker 1: his friend, and Phoenie says Corey um as Corey's teacher
Speaker 1: and someone who has watched him grow up next door.
Speaker 1: He never expected him to rat out his friend, which
Speaker 1: is really great. And then we're in the school hallway.
Speaker 1: I really did think it was gonna end, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, we're not even gonna find
Speaker 1: out what the punishment. But then we do find out
Speaker 1: in the school hallway. Mr Phoenie's Corey is not suspended,
Speaker 1: but he does have detention for five days and one
Speaker 1: for each letter in Weenie and Phoenie closes the door
Speaker 1: to see Sean standing behind it and behind it and
Speaker 1: says Weenie should have been spelled W E and I E.
Speaker 1: Sean assumes Corey ratted him out, but Mr. Phoenie says
Speaker 1: Corey refused to tell on him. Phoeny says the punishment
Speaker 1: for not being caught is way worse than what Corey has,
Speaker 1: So Phoeny says he will be watching. Why are you eating?
Speaker 1: I'm like eating a chocolate par or something. I thought
Speaker 1: you had. Okay, I thought you were changing the door again.
Speaker 1: I thought you had something like a cap or something
Speaker 1: in your mouth. The door was open or I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought maybe you were were interesting. I thought it
Speaker 1: was like a paint thing. Yeah, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: watch that again. I thought I thought it was like
Speaker 1: eating something or like. I don't know, though, I was
Speaker 1: just like, why am I sitting there? Oh? So I
Speaker 1: was adjusting the door? That makes more sense. God, I
Speaker 1: think the door was open. You were hiding behind it,
Speaker 1: and you had like a like the this isn't what
Speaker 1: you have in your mouth because it's bigger than that,
Speaker 1: but like the pen cap in your mouth where you're
Speaker 1: fixing the door. Um. But so, I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was the scrape like a scraper and a racer.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I will go back and we will
Speaker 1: all go back and figure it out. Um, because that
Speaker 1: will that will send your emails, the emails that are
Speaker 1: about more important things than what was in your email.
Speaker 1: We'll just watch it again. We'll edit it. I promise,
Speaker 1: we'll put it in the caption that we know what
Speaker 1: it is now. Um. So, Phoenie says he's going to
Speaker 1: be watching Shawn's every move for the rest of high school,
Speaker 1: which Phoenie could says could be decades. Um yep, And
Speaker 1: then Sean asks Corey frantically, why didn't you turn me in?
Speaker 1: And that's the end of our episode. I'm glad we
Speaker 1: all felt the same way that this is like Okay,
Speaker 1: I like this, We're here. I feel like, okay, episode three,
Speaker 1: Let's see how this, how this plays out, Let's see
Speaker 1: this how this goes. It's definitely a new show. But
Speaker 1: now I've I have two other episodes before that I've
Speaker 1: like have definitely just plunged us into the cold end
Speaker 1: um and so our next episode that we will be
Speaker 1: recapping a season two episode four. Me and Mr. We
Speaker 1: just got something from super fan Eastern Ally it's a
Speaker 1: candy bar, says it's a candy bar. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I thought. I'm eating a candy bar for no other reason.
Speaker 1: And I think it was maybe funny that I'm like
Speaker 1: caught eating, right, It was so weird. I was just like,
Speaker 1: was that something that would have been in the st
Speaker 1: or like, did they I don't know such a I
Speaker 1: don't think I would have been nervous eating because you
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. But you're nervous eating
Speaker 1: because you don't know if Corey's gonna wrat you out
Speaker 1: or not? Maybe or did did anyone notice when they
Speaker 1: walk out Corey and Feeny when they walk out of
Speaker 1: the office. Does he fly open the door as they
Speaker 1: walk out? Were you supposed to be on the other
Speaker 1: side of the door anxiously waiting for Corey? And then
Speaker 1: he flies open the door and you kind of get
Speaker 1: shoved back there with the candy bar in the bar?
Speaker 1: Is that what we're supposed to have imagined happened? I
Speaker 1: think it's just sugar. I think it's just the like
Speaker 1: emphasize that I've been caught listening or that I've been
Speaker 1: caught doing something, but I'm like halfway eating and I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, stuck with a candy bar in my mouth. Um,
Speaker 1: it's a bizarre I guess it's your version of eating
Speaker 1: popcorn while the dramas going on exactly exactly. M M
Speaker 1: all right, it's probably too late for a note for them.
Speaker 1: But the the funnier joke would have been an empty
Speaker 1: glass against the door, and then when the door opens,
Speaker 1: you pretend to be drinking from the empty glass. That's
Speaker 1: the funnier Like I was listening, but probably too late
Speaker 1: to change that. Now let's just go back we could
Speaker 1: there we go. I'm almost done with that. Thank you
Speaker 1: everyone for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World.
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