WEBVTT - I Choose...To Be Formless with Jenny McCarthy Wahlberg 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:09.520 You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi. Everyone, 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.840 welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.639 the choices we make and where they lead us. My 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:22.840 guest today has had a long standing career since the nineties. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.160 She's my og girl. You know her as a judge 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:32.160 on the massive hit The Masked Singer, which airs right 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:36.880 now Wednesdays on Fox. It's such a fun show to watch. 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:41.559 She's also an author, an actress, a TV producer, and 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:46.880 she's the founder of the clean beauty brand Formless Beauty. 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.480 She's hilarious, beautiful, and I absolutely can't wait to chat 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.960 with her. Please welcome Jenny McCarthy Wahlberg to the podcast. Hi, 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.000 you are such a feast for my eyeballs right now. 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:04.240 Ditto, Ditto. It's so good to see you. 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:06.640 I haven't seen you. When's the last time we saw 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:08.920 each other? Jenny McCarthy, God. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:10.080 Was it on a talk show? 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.400 I feel like possibly I could have or my podcast 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.600 or somewhere like we crossed paths. I'm not even sure, 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.200 but do you recall that we did act together? 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:20.919 Girl? 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:21.960 How could we forget that? 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:22.679 Okay? 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:22.959 Good? 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:24.120 I was like, I wonder if she. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.000 Remembers I played a lesbian plumber on her show. 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:32.039 Oh you were a plumber. I knew the lesbian part, 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.399 but I didn't know the plumber part. Yes, I didn't 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.440 recall plumbing. Okay, I just remember you were a lonely 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.200 lesbian who had the hots for Val Tyler. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:43.800 Right. 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.760 It could be based on a true story, so funny. 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:50.800 When they called me to do that role, I was. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:55.160 Like, hell yeah, and then I got the worst like flu. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.080 It was like Nora virus of my life or something terrible, 0:01:58.560 --> 0:01:59.480 so I couldn't do it. 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.800 They had a placement come in and then. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.559 Literally the day before you guys were about to shoot, 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:05.440 they called me like, do you feel any better? Because 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.400 we don't like the person that replaced you, so you 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.200 have to come in and take your rollover. 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.480 And I'm like all right. And it was so great. 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.359 You guys were so welcoming. I did so many sitcoms 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.040 back then. I was like, I was that. 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.280 Guest that used to be constantly on the Love Boat 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.440 or Fantasy Island back in the day. I just went 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.799 from sitcom to sitcom to sitcom, and you guys were 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:28.880 so lovely to me and I. You were just kind, 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.720 You were just a good soul, and I felt lucky. 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.040 I was so happy to have you on the show 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.200 to begin with. I just felt so just I'm so 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.760 comfortable with you. I think I don't know why is it? 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.000 Because do you remember what we used to get each 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.399 other's mail? Yes? I do. 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.919 And by the way, you guys, Jenny, people is like, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:52.680 who do people could use you with? I'm like always 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.080 it's Jenny Garth, Like I have signed so many autographs 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.000 with your name because I'm like, I don't want to 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.520 disappoint the people. Very nice and they're like, oh my god, 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.200 I love you on Nanoto and I'm like, thank you, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.280 and I'll just sigh. They're probably going home going the 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.399 signature doesn't match. But I don't want to be a disappointment. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.560 And I'm like, I'm I'm very nice to them, so 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.040 I figured you wouldn't mine. But it happens a lot, 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:14.519 which which is a compliment. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:16.120 I know. 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.720 I think it happened so much that we actually I 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.960 don't I don't know how this could have happened, but 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.880 I feel like we got each other's mail one we. 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.600 Did, we did, we did, We definitely got each other's mail. 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:27.640 How does that? 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.600 How did the post office, confuse us. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.560 I don't know. I don't That's that's a really good question. 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.680 I can understand some like fan mail or something like that, 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.040 but it was very bizarre, very well. 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.640 There's nobody I would rather be confused with than you, 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:45.880 So I'm very comfortable with it. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.160 Did Oh I agree? Thank you? 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.560 Oh my gosh. We have so much to talk about, 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.920 the Masked Singer, your journey to love, your beauty brand, 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.080 formless beauty. I want to get into all of it. 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.080 But before we want to get into that stuff, you 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.480 are such a multi hyphenate. You're a host, you're an author, 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:10.400 you're an entrepreneur. When you are growing up in the 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:15.440 best place ever, I will add the Midwest, specifically Illinois. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.640 We are fellow Illinoians. I want to know what did 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.480 you want to be when you were little? 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:25.440 So when I was very little, I grew up wanting 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:30.039 and pretending to be this famous Hollywood starlett So I 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:35.200 changed my name when I was probably around seven years 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.960 old with my in my inside of my family, I said, 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.440 you have to call me Ronda from now on because 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.400 watching Vernon Shirley back in the day when Laverna Shirley 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.200 moved to Hollywood. They had a neighbor named Ronda, and 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:48.760 she had big blonde hair and big. 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:50.800 Boobs, and I was like, that's what I want to be. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.960 Go figure, I'm like seven years old, and so I 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.000 walked around as Ronda. 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.520 I would have you know. The only script I knew 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.960 growing up was from church because we went twice a week. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.800 So I would perform masks because that was the script 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.159 I knew. I'd make people sit down and listen to me, 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.800 do homilies, and then I used to do talk shows 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:10.480 in my basement. 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:11.880 I try to imitate Oprah. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.080 So there was always a connection of me wanting to 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.919 get into the business. I just didn't know how because, 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.760 as you know, when you grew up in Illinois, we 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.960 didn't have much money. So it was kind of like, yeah, 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.600 that's like at telling your you know your mom and 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:26.800 did you want to be an astronaut? 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.600 It's that far away, you know. 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.600 And nobody in your family had any history in entertainment, 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:32.880 right like me, same. 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:34.400 No no one, no, no, no no. 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.159 So when I went to college, I went to be 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.760 a special ed teacher and then I kind of switched 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.120 over to be a nurse. But then I had to 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.839 drop out because I went broke. I literally had no money, 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.960 like to pay for myself. So that's when I was like, Okay, 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:54.479 I I have nothing to lose. I'm nineteen, Why don't 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.440 I go to LA and try to just see what happens. 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.480 And so when I went out there, I went on 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.520 the heels of Playboy because I was twenty thousand dollars 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.880 in debt from college and I didn't know anybody, and 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:09.560 I felt like it could be a little bit of 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.480 a sorority or at least an organization to kind of 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.680 be there for when I got there. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.880 Little did I know at that time it was you. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:25.800 Know, it's hard to go from Playboy to comedy or 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:30.360 even anything of who knew and you know, and I 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.560 kind of I kind of did know that, but I 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.360 didn't have any other options. So when I start, when 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.880 I went and did it, then I said, what would 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.159 be great for me to break out of this mold 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.960 to show my personality. I'm like, you know, MTV would 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.560 be a good opportunity to kind of show another side 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.040 of myself. And that's when I saw this open casting 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.400 call for singles Out. It was an MTV game show 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.839 at the time for all you young, young ones out there, 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.840 and so they wouldn't even let me audition Jen They said, no, 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:57.960 we don't want to playmates. 0:06:58.279 --> 0:06:59.600 I'm like, what do you think I'm gonna do? 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.760 I'm going to take my clothes off in the middle 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.239 of a gage show Like now, Playboy seems so tame 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.599 compared to what you know, only fans and all. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:09.320 These things going on. 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:14.440 It was like rated PG practically, So I crashed the audition. 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.920 I actually went to the cattle call, which there was 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.920 like four hundred people waiting in line, and I didn't 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.720 even have a headshot that time. So I drew a 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:27.200 picture of Lucy from Charlie Brown and then signed my 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.040 name and did my audition, and I kept getting callbacks 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:34.040 until the final like three, and wound up getting the job. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.080 And it was a great transition because then people go, wow, 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.280 she's anything but kind of a pin up. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:41.760 So I got to show that other side. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.720 And then I had to pound my way into trying 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.559 to get in some acting roles, and then I started 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.800 writing books and then I just I just I love 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.960 the business so much, but I also get bored very easily, 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.560 so I need to be stimulated constantly. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.600 There are so much alike it's freaking me out, like 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.880 the whole story minus the Playboy party didn't do that. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:05.120 But we are so much alike, like you worked hard 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:06.520 to get where you are. 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:07.840 Yeah, hustler. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:09.840 You know, it's like I think it is when you're 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.600 determined and you know that there's really nothing else you 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:14.280 want to do. 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.280 There only leaves one road. But you know, this business, 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.960 as you know, is tough. It's tough. There's a lot 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:23.640 of rejection. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.600 I remember all the articles going, oh my god, you 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.360 have fourteen minutes left. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:29.400 You know, it's like. 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.559 You can believe it, or you can believe in yourself. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.800 And I just believe in myself and keep going. And 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:40.160 now you know, I've written ten books, nine books or 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.760 something like that, and I've done a little bit of everything. 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.560 And that's the way I kind of like it. I 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.760 want to keep going. I even ask myself now, I'm 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:53.360 like I just started just started to miss acting only recently, 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.200 like literally, like I did it for so long, and 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:01.920 then I got into hosting, like assign me to do a. 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.520 Show with her for a little while. Then I went 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:04.839 over and hosted the view. 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.080 And then I took my own podcast, It's Serious for 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.720 seven years, and then I transitioned to the mass singer. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.199 And now I'm like, you know what, I kind of 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.560 miss doing like some comedy. The problem is. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.400 There's nothing going on like actors right now in Hollywood. 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:25.080 It's very difficult to get work. Especially the sitcoms are dead. 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:32.200 There's no Sitcomoy's sad, right, so sad, there's nothing, no, no. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.120 You know what they say. I read this somewhere that 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.960 persistence is the key to success. And you are a 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:44.040 vision of persistence. You're a vision of talent, like just 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.960 born into you, and you tapped into that, all of 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.480 that and made your way to have this incredible career, 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.920 a long lasting career, albeit it's had its challenges. You've 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.880 had to work really hard, You've had to reinvent yourself 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:04.960 a million times, but you've always stayed true to exactly 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.000 who you are. And that's what I admire the most 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:07.360 about you. 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:08.640 I think, oh, thank you. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.319 I mean that that's what really keeps me, I think, alive, 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.520 insane in this business when you know you can easily 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.839 fall into being the scandal girl and doing a bunch 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:25.240 of late night mishaps, and I just stayed focused on. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:27.800 Staying true to myself. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.040 Like you said, like really really, you know what, it 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.120 also really helps being a mom and then being a 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:37.720 single mom, because you also have that motivation to pay 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.680 the bills. Like you know, when my son was younger 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.000 and diagnosed with autism and I literally got the autism 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.360 diagnosis and we smiled for divorce. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.960 Within the same week. That was a tough time in 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:51.440 my life. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:52.520 Yeah, it was. 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.720 Oh, I mean I just remember crying so hard. My 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:56.680 butthole was hurting. 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.880 Wow, I was in a hower. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:04.400 But you have really good like mind body relationship that 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.040 you know, you know that your emotions caused that. 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.240 I was like literally going, oh my god, I'm just 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:15.600 crying so hard. But it just it also just motivates you, 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.400 you know, because you're like, I have to pay for 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.520 speech therapy I want, and by you, there's a lot 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.840 of jobs I probably never would have said yes to 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:22.920 if I didn't. 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.559 Have to pay for the speech therapy and things like that. 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.240 But I'm grateful for that because it did motivate me 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.200 to keep going. And then as things got a little easier, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.080 I got to choose things that I wanted to do. 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.360 And as you know, it's just like with your podcast, 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.040 I choose me. It's like to be able to choose 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:44.160 what you want instead of what maybe people around you 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:45.400 or by necessity. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.160 It's just it's a whole game changer, especially at this 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:50.079 stage in our life. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:54.240 It's like I understand now when I was younger looking 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.000 at people at our age now talking about this being 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.760 the best time of their lives and just so much better, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.480 and truly it really is. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:03.920 It really is the best. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:08.320 Yeah, we never believed them then, but now being in it, 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.600 it is the best. And you can really have such 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.960 an appreciation for all that you've been through. And like 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.640 you said, you probably took jobs that you didn't want 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.079 to do, and I can so relate to that because 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.680 you had to pay the bills and you have people 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.120 depending on you. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.160 Yeah, Trusk, you exactly, and there's no one to lean 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.360 on it. I didn't come from a rich family, you know, right, 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.760 So it's like and I was not about to, you know, 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.880 sleep with any guy for money, maybe for a great 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.960 pair of shoes, but never to lean on. 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.160 I'm very dependent. I'm independent, like. 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:41.080 You are independent. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.199 When I when I first went out to la and 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:44.880 people are like, you're gonna have to sleep your way 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.920 to the top, I was like, oh, really, watch me 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:47.800 not do that. 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.199 Watched me earn every. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:54.160 Dollar for myself, watch me become an entrepreneur, watch me 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.200 write books, watch me do everything I possibly can. You know, 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.480 coming out of a divorce, I didn't getting money to 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.080 pay it, you know what I mean. So it's like, yeah, 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:06.560 it's it was very challenging, but looking back, it made 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.920 me who I am today, stronger, much stronger. 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:12.600 I didn't think I could love you more. I love 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.880 you more. And this is just the beginning of this podcast. 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.160 I want to talk about the mask singer because that 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:24.160 started in twenty nineteen, and I gotta be honest. When 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:28.480 I heard the concept of the masked singer, people singing 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:34.840 in ginormous, crazy costumes, I was like, is this going 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:39.240 to work? What was it that told you that this 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:40.640 was the right choice for you. 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.520 I'm so glad you asked that, because I was doing 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.600 my serious radio show at the time, was really doing 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:48.400 well at Sirius. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:52.359 I was there for almost seven years, and I would. 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.920 Get offers to do little stuff here and there, and 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:59.240 I was always like, and then a mask singer rolled around, 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:00.719 and my agent actually turned it. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:01.640 Down a couple of times. 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.920 He's like, this is too weird, so he came back 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.319 to me. He's like, oh, I got to ask you 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.280 because they keep bogging me. This is the show. And 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.520 I looked at the Korean format that's where it came from, 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.920 and I saw something special in it, much like I 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.400 saw Singled Out, which was it was different. It was 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.560 different enough, and it checked a lot of boxes, which 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:26.240 was you got the singing show, very entertained. It's got 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.360 a who is it component, It's got these clues that 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.080 you have to kind of put together, and it wasn't 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.240 going to be an evil judgmental show. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.280 We as judges got to give flowers. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.160 I am not a confrontatial person. That's why I did 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:40.920 not do well on the view fighting. I did not 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:42.960 want to fight. It's like I'm the middle child. I 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.240 want to go to keep the peace. So I love 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.520 the fact that there was goodness in this show. I 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.480 love the fact that you can watch it with your kids. 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.160 And that's something I hadn't done in a while, Like 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:59.280 I haven't done programming that you know, is family orientated. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.640 So it checked all of those boxes. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.800 And I told my agent, I'm saying, yes, I do 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.640 believe this show has potential because it's that weird and 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.280 different and listen. I am a little weird, like it's 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.240 on brand for me to be a little bit going 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:15.160 to taking those weird choices. And when it hit, I 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:19.040 was so grateful because it is fun and I love 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:20.840 the parents that come up to me to this day 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.000 and go, this is the only show where I get 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.200 my kid leaves their phone or they get off the 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:27.800 computer and they sit down on the couch with me 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:28.760 and we watch it together. 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:33.720 And it's been great. It's been really really great. So lucky. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:35.640 I hope it goes on for like as long as 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:36.440 American Idol. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.560 I'm so happy for you. I mean, it's already been 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.880 on for thirteen seasons. Hello, who knew would be such 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:42.600 a juggernaut. 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:43.960 I'm hoping for eighty. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.120 Oh my god. It just looks like a lot of 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.840 fun to be on. I've passed a number of times. 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.360 Not singing not my thing, but it's fun to watch 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.720 so and you're so good on it, Oh my god. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.000 You know they ask I'm with a panel of saying 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:01.920 because Ken, even though he pretends, I just think he 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.400 can sing. So they make us open a show with 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.040 a singing number sometimes and literally I don't get nervous 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.000 about things I am a wreck because they have me 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.440 sing a line and I can't sing. I sound like 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:14.560 Peter Brady. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.240 On My rat much. I'm like, it's time to change. 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.120 So the Sharp episode that we just did this season, 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:25.920 which we're doing all of these awesome now themed episodes, 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.400 they had me come out and sing a line and 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.680 they called me when they were in post production and 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.560 they're like, Jenny, we have been laughing in the editing 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.520 bay because you sound so bad that we have to 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.320 have you re record your singing. And I was like, 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.320 I told you I can't sing, and literally I get 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.200 like nauseous. We did a Muppet episode where everyone had 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.280 to sing a line and when the camera posed to me, 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:55.080 I literally am like this rainbows, I'm just ter. 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.280 I'm like, I'm not a singer. But it also makes 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:58.240 it fun, you know. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:09.879 Oh god, what a ride, right, totally? You and your 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:14.080 husband Donnie, you guys have been married for almost eleven years? 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:14.520 Is that it? 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:15.960 Yeah? 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.960 Similar, I'm just under you at nine maybe ten, I 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:23.520 can't remember, but like me, we've finally found what it 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:28.480 appears to be a lasting love. Oh. It seems like 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.720 you have had a fairy tale kind of romance with 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.040 Donnie prosecutest boy. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.959 We really are a lot similar, aren't we. John, We're 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.240 both crazy. 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:43.760 So with Donnie, it truly is I feel so lucky 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.359 because when you're in the dating pool, especially as a 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:52.879 single mom, especially in Los Angeles, you have very limited choices. 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.840 And you're famous, which is another element. 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:57.360 It's really really hard. 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.280 It's like almost with you're forty, you have to date 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.400 sixty because the forty year olds date the twenty year olds. 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.359 You know, It's like that's how it felt like in 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:05.600 the day in LA. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.560 The sixty year olds are still dating like the twenty 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:09.080 year olds. 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.280 Yeah that's what I mean. Yeah exactly, Yeah, right, so terrible. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.479 So if you're a forty year old woman, like, no 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.960 one wants to another guy that's forty doesn't want another 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:18.479 forty year old. 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.040 They want their twenty year old. So it's like it 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:24.200 was really difficult, So do you find him? I wound 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:24.880 up moving. 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.439 I woke up one day after being in LA for 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.120 I lived in Chicago twenty years. I went to LA 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.000 for twenty years, and then I woke up one day 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.120 and I said, I don't want to raise my son here. 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.600 I want to move back, buy a house down the 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.040 street from my best friend and raise our kids together. 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:41.680 And that's what we did. 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:45.520 And so when I was out here, I did I 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.600 would fight in New York and do you know, talk shows, 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:48.840 And then I did my own talk show for a 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.000 second and he came on there in New York as 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:56.560 a guest, so we actually met and watch What Happens 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.359 Live Andy Cohen's show. He was the second guest in 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.040 the second show, and I'd never met him before and 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:02.760 I thought. 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.480 He was married, so I didn't really flirt with him. 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.280 I was just like, oh, you're a really nice guy. 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.919 Like I had no idea. Andy Cohne was like, you 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:10.959 got to ask her out, You got to ask her out. 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.200 And so then I wound up doing my show and 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:17.720 like six months later and he came on as a guest. 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:19.760 So I'm doing my homework and like, okay, who's he 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.360