Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi. Everyone,
Speaker 1: welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about
Speaker 1: the choices we make and where they lead us. My
Speaker 1: guest today has had a long standing career since the nineties.
Speaker 1: She's my og girl. You know her as a judge
Speaker 1: on the massive hit The Masked Singer, which airs right
Speaker 1: now Wednesdays on Fox. It's such a fun show to watch.
Speaker 1: She's also an author, an actress, a TV producer, and
Speaker 1: she's the founder of the clean beauty brand Formless Beauty.
Speaker 1: She's hilarious, beautiful, and I absolutely can't wait to chat
Speaker 1: with her. Please welcome Jenny McCarthy Wahlberg to the podcast. Hi,
Speaker 1: you are such a feast for my eyeballs right now.
Speaker 2: Ditto, Ditto. It's so good to see you.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you. When's the last time we saw
Speaker 1: each other? Jenny McCarthy, God.
Speaker 2: Was it on a talk show?
Speaker 3: I feel like possibly I could have or my podcast
Speaker 3: or somewhere like we crossed paths. I'm not even sure,
Speaker 3: but do you recall that we did act together?
Speaker 2: Girl?
Speaker 1: How could we forget that?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder if she.
Speaker 3: Remembers I played a lesbian plumber on her show.
Speaker 1: Oh you were a plumber. I knew the lesbian part,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know the plumber part. Yes, I didn't
Speaker 1: recall plumbing. Okay, I just remember you were a lonely
Speaker 1: lesbian who had the hots for Val Tyler.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: It could be based on a true story, so funny.
Speaker 2: When they called me to do that role, I was.
Speaker 3: Like, hell yeah, and then I got the worst like flu.
Speaker 3: It was like Nora virus of my life or something terrible,
Speaker 3: so I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: They had a placement come in and then.
Speaker 3: Literally the day before you guys were about to shoot,
Speaker 3: they called me like, do you feel any better? Because
Speaker 3: we don't like the person that replaced you, so you
Speaker 3: have to come in and take your rollover.
Speaker 2: And I'm like all right. And it was so great.
Speaker 2: You guys were so welcoming. I did so many sitcoms
Speaker 2: back then. I was like, I was that.
Speaker 3: Guest that used to be constantly on the Love Boat
Speaker 3: or Fantasy Island back in the day. I just went
Speaker 3: from sitcom to sitcom to sitcom, and you guys were
Speaker 3: so lovely to me and I. You were just kind,
Speaker 3: You were just a good soul, and I felt lucky.
Speaker 1: I was so happy to have you on the show
Speaker 1: to begin with. I just felt so just I'm so
Speaker 1: comfortable with you. I think I don't know why is it?
Speaker 1: Because do you remember what we used to get each
Speaker 1: other's mail? Yes? I do.
Speaker 3: And by the way, you guys, Jenny, people is like,
Speaker 3: who do people could use you with? I'm like always
Speaker 3: it's Jenny Garth, Like I have signed so many autographs
Speaker 3: with your name because I'm like, I don't want to
Speaker 3: disappoint the people. Very nice and they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I love you on Nanoto and I'm like, thank you,
Speaker 3: and I'll just sigh. They're probably going home going the
Speaker 3: signature doesn't match. But I don't want to be a disappointment.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm I'm very nice to them, so
Speaker 3: I figured you wouldn't mine. But it happens a lot,
Speaker 3: which which is a compliment.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I think it happened so much that we actually I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know how this could have happened, but
Speaker 1: I feel like we got each other's mail one we.
Speaker 2: Did, we did, we did, We definitely got each other's mail.
Speaker 2: How does that?
Speaker 1: How did the post office, confuse us.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't That's that's a really good question.
Speaker 3: I can understand some like fan mail or something like that,
Speaker 3: but it was very bizarre, very well.
Speaker 1: There's nobody I would rather be confused with than you,
Speaker 1: So I'm very comfortable with it.
Speaker 2: Did Oh I agree? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. We have so much to talk about,
Speaker 1: the Masked Singer, your journey to love, your beauty brand,
Speaker 1: formless beauty. I want to get into all of it.
Speaker 1: But before we want to get into that stuff, you
Speaker 1: are such a multi hyphenate. You're a host, you're an author,
Speaker 1: you're an entrepreneur. When you are growing up in the
Speaker 1: best place ever, I will add the Midwest, specifically Illinois.
Speaker 1: We are fellow Illinoians. I want to know what did
Speaker 1: you want to be when you were little?
Speaker 3: So when I was very little, I grew up wanting
Speaker 3: and pretending to be this famous Hollywood starlett So I
Speaker 3: changed my name when I was probably around seven years
Speaker 3: old with my in my inside of my family, I said,
Speaker 3: you have to call me Ronda from now on because
Speaker 3: watching Vernon Shirley back in the day when Laverna Shirley
Speaker 3: moved to Hollywood. They had a neighbor named Ronda, and
Speaker 3: she had big blonde hair and big.
Speaker 2: Boobs, and I was like, that's what I want to be.
Speaker 3: Go figure, I'm like seven years old, and so I
Speaker 3: walked around as Ronda.
Speaker 2: I would have you know. The only script I knew
Speaker 2: growing up was from church because we went twice a week.
Speaker 3: So I would perform masks because that was the script
Speaker 3: I knew. I'd make people sit down and listen to me,
Speaker 3: do homilies, and then I used to do talk shows
Speaker 3: in my basement.
Speaker 2: I try to imitate Oprah.
Speaker 3: So there was always a connection of me wanting to
Speaker 3: get into the business. I just didn't know how because,
Speaker 3: as you know, when you grew up in Illinois, we
Speaker 3: didn't have much money. So it was kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's like at telling your you know your mom and
Speaker 3: did you want to be an astronaut?
Speaker 2: It's that far away, you know.
Speaker 1: And nobody in your family had any history in entertainment,
Speaker 1: right like me, same.
Speaker 2: No no one, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: So when I went to college, I went to be
Speaker 3: a special ed teacher and then I kind of switched
Speaker 3: over to be a nurse. But then I had to
Speaker 3: drop out because I went broke. I literally had no money,
Speaker 3: like to pay for myself. So that's when I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I I have nothing to lose. I'm nineteen, Why don't
Speaker 3: I go to LA and try to just see what happens.
Speaker 3: And so when I went out there, I went on
Speaker 3: the heels of Playboy because I was twenty thousand dollars
Speaker 3: in debt from college and I didn't know anybody, and
Speaker 3: I felt like it could be a little bit of
Speaker 3: a sorority or at least an organization to kind of
Speaker 3: be there for when I got there.
Speaker 2: Little did I know at that time it was you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's hard to go from Playboy to comedy or
Speaker 3: even anything of who knew and you know, and I
Speaker 3: kind of I kind of did know that, but I
Speaker 3: didn't have any other options. So when I start, when
Speaker 3: I went and did it, then I said, what would
Speaker 3: be great for me to break out of this mold
Speaker 3: to show my personality. I'm like, you know, MTV would
Speaker 3: be a good opportunity to kind of show another side
Speaker 3: of myself. And that's when I saw this open casting
Speaker 3: call for singles Out. It was an MTV game show
Speaker 3: at the time for all you young, young ones out there,
Speaker 3: and so they wouldn't even let me audition Jen They said, no,
Speaker 3: we don't want to playmates.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you think I'm gonna do?
Speaker 3: I'm going to take my clothes off in the middle
Speaker 3: of a gage show Like now, Playboy seems so tame
Speaker 3: compared to what you know, only fans and all.
Speaker 2: These things going on.
Speaker 3: It was like rated PG practically, So I crashed the audition.
Speaker 3: I actually went to the cattle call, which there was
Speaker 3: like four hundred people waiting in line, and I didn't
Speaker 3: even have a headshot that time. So I drew a
Speaker 3: picture of Lucy from Charlie Brown and then signed my
Speaker 3: name and did my audition, and I kept getting callbacks
Speaker 3: until the final like three, and wound up getting the job.
Speaker 3: And it was a great transition because then people go, wow,
Speaker 3: she's anything but kind of a pin up.
Speaker 2: So I got to show that other side.
Speaker 3: And then I had to pound my way into trying
Speaker 3: to get in some acting roles, and then I started
Speaker 3: writing books and then I just I just I love
Speaker 3: the business so much, but I also get bored very easily,
Speaker 3: so I need to be stimulated constantly.
Speaker 1: There are so much alike it's freaking me out, like
Speaker 1: the whole story minus the Playboy party didn't do that.
Speaker 1: But we are so much alike, like you worked hard
Speaker 1: to get where you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hustler.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like I think it is when you're
Speaker 3: determined and you know that there's really nothing else you
Speaker 3: want to do.
Speaker 2: There only leaves one road. But you know, this business,
Speaker 2: as you know, is tough. It's tough. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of rejection.
Speaker 3: I remember all the articles going, oh my god, you
Speaker 3: have fourteen minutes left.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like.
Speaker 3: You can believe it, or you can believe in yourself.
Speaker 3: And I just believe in myself and keep going. And
Speaker 3: now you know, I've written ten books, nine books or
Speaker 3: something like that, and I've done a little bit of everything.
Speaker 3: And that's the way I kind of like it. I
Speaker 3: want to keep going. I even ask myself now, I'm
Speaker 3: like I just started just started to miss acting only recently,
Speaker 3: like literally, like I did it for so long, and
Speaker 3: then I got into hosting, like assign me to do a.
Speaker 2: Show with her for a little while. Then I went
Speaker 2: over and hosted the view.
Speaker 3: And then I took my own podcast, It's Serious for
Speaker 3: seven years, and then I transitioned to the mass singer.
Speaker 2: And now I'm like, you know what, I kind of
Speaker 2: miss doing like some comedy. The problem is.
Speaker 3: There's nothing going on like actors right now in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: It's very difficult to get work. Especially the sitcoms are dead.
Speaker 1: There's no Sitcomoy's sad, right, so sad, there's nothing, no, no.
Speaker 1: You know what they say. I read this somewhere that
Speaker 1: persistence is the key to success. And you are a
Speaker 1: vision of persistence. You're a vision of talent, like just
Speaker 1: born into you, and you tapped into that, all of
Speaker 1: that and made your way to have this incredible career,
Speaker 1: a long lasting career, albeit it's had its challenges. You've
Speaker 1: had to work really hard, You've had to reinvent yourself
Speaker 1: a million times, but you've always stayed true to exactly
Speaker 1: who you are. And that's what I admire the most
Speaker 1: about you.
Speaker 2: I think, oh, thank you.
Speaker 3: I mean that that's what really keeps me, I think, alive,
Speaker 3: insane in this business when you know you can easily
Speaker 3: fall into being the scandal girl and doing a bunch
Speaker 3: of late night mishaps, and I just stayed focused on.
Speaker 2: Staying true to myself.
Speaker 3: Like you said, like really really, you know what, it
Speaker 3: also really helps being a mom and then being a
Speaker 3: single mom, because you also have that motivation to pay
Speaker 3: the bills. Like you know, when my son was younger
Speaker 3: and diagnosed with autism and I literally got the autism
Speaker 3: diagnosis and we smiled for divorce.
Speaker 2: Within the same week. That was a tough time in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I just remember crying so hard. My
Speaker 3: butthole was hurting.
Speaker 2: Wow, I was in a hower.
Speaker 1: But you have really good like mind body relationship that
Speaker 1: you know, you know that your emotions caused that.
Speaker 3: I was like literally going, oh my god, I'm just
Speaker 3: crying so hard. But it just it also just motivates you,
Speaker 3: you know, because you're like, I have to pay for
Speaker 3: speech therapy I want, and by you, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of jobs I probably never would have said yes to
Speaker 3: if I didn't.
Speaker 2: Have to pay for the speech therapy and things like that.
Speaker 3: But I'm grateful for that because it did motivate me
Speaker 3: to keep going. And then as things got a little easier,
Speaker 3: I got to choose things that I wanted to do.
Speaker 3: And as you know, it's just like with your podcast,
Speaker 3: I choose me. It's like to be able to choose
Speaker 3: what you want instead of what maybe people around you
Speaker 3: or by necessity.
Speaker 2: It's just it's a whole game changer, especially at this
Speaker 2: stage in our life.
Speaker 3: It's like I understand now when I was younger looking
Speaker 3: at people at our age now talking about this being
Speaker 3: the best time of their lives and just so much better,
Speaker 3: and truly it really is.
Speaker 2: It really is the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we never believed them then, but now being in it,
Speaker 1: it is the best. And you can really have such
Speaker 1: an appreciation for all that you've been through. And like
Speaker 1: you said, you probably took jobs that you didn't want
Speaker 1: to do, and I can so relate to that because
Speaker 1: you had to pay the bills and you have people
Speaker 1: depending on you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trusk, you exactly, and there's no one to lean
Speaker 3: on it. I didn't come from a rich family, you know, right,
Speaker 3: So it's like and I was not about to, you know,
Speaker 3: sleep with any guy for money, maybe for a great
Speaker 3: pair of shoes, but never to lean on.
Speaker 2: I'm very dependent. I'm independent, like.
Speaker 1: You are independent.
Speaker 3: When I when I first went out to la and
Speaker 3: people are like, you're gonna have to sleep your way
Speaker 3: to the top, I was like, oh, really, watch me
Speaker 3: not do that.
Speaker 2: Watched me earn every.
Speaker 3: Dollar for myself, watch me become an entrepreneur, watch me
Speaker 3: write books, watch me do everything I possibly can. You know,
Speaker 3: coming out of a divorce, I didn't getting money to
Speaker 3: pay it, you know what I mean. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it was very challenging, but looking back, it made
Speaker 3: me who I am today, stronger, much stronger.
Speaker 1: I didn't think I could love you more. I love
Speaker 1: you more. And this is just the beginning of this podcast.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the mask singer because that
Speaker 1: started in twenty nineteen, and I gotta be honest. When
Speaker 1: I heard the concept of the masked singer, people singing
Speaker 1: in ginormous, crazy costumes, I was like, is this going
Speaker 1: to work? What was it that told you that this
Speaker 1: was the right choice for you.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked that, because I was doing
Speaker 3: my serious radio show at the time, was really doing
Speaker 3: well at Sirius.
Speaker 2: I was there for almost seven years, and I would.
Speaker 3: Get offers to do little stuff here and there, and
Speaker 3: I was always like, and then a mask singer rolled around,
Speaker 3: and my agent actually turned it.
Speaker 2: Down a couple of times.
Speaker 3: He's like, this is too weird, so he came back
Speaker 3: to me. He's like, oh, I got to ask you
Speaker 3: because they keep bogging me. This is the show. And
Speaker 3: I looked at the Korean format that's where it came from,
Speaker 3: and I saw something special in it, much like I
Speaker 3: saw Singled Out, which was it was different. It was
Speaker 3: different enough, and it checked a lot of boxes, which
Speaker 3: was you got the singing show, very entertained. It's got
Speaker 3: a who is it component, It's got these clues that
Speaker 3: you have to kind of put together, and it wasn't
Speaker 3: going to be an evil judgmental show.
Speaker 2: We as judges got to give flowers.
Speaker 3: I am not a confrontatial person. That's why I did
Speaker 3: not do well on the view fighting. I did not
Speaker 3: want to fight. It's like I'm the middle child. I
Speaker 3: want to go to keep the peace. So I love
Speaker 3: the fact that there was goodness in this show. I
Speaker 3: love the fact that you can watch it with your kids.
Speaker 3: And that's something I hadn't done in a while, Like
Speaker 3: I haven't done programming that you know, is family orientated.
Speaker 2: So it checked all of those boxes.
Speaker 3: And I told my agent, I'm saying, yes, I do
Speaker 3: believe this show has potential because it's that weird and
Speaker 3: different and listen. I am a little weird, like it's
Speaker 3: on brand for me to be a little bit going
Speaker 3: to taking those weird choices. And when it hit, I
Speaker 3: was so grateful because it is fun and I love
Speaker 3: the parents that come up to me to this day
Speaker 3: and go, this is the only show where I get
Speaker 3: my kid leaves their phone or they get off the
Speaker 3: computer and they sit down on the couch with me
Speaker 3: and we watch it together.
Speaker 2: And it's been great. It's been really really great. So lucky.
Speaker 2: I hope it goes on for like as long as
Speaker 2: American Idol.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. I mean, it's already been
Speaker 1: on for thirteen seasons. Hello, who knew would be such
Speaker 1: a juggernaut.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping for eighty.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It just looks like a lot of
Speaker 1: fun to be on. I've passed a number of times.
Speaker 1: Not singing not my thing, but it's fun to watch
Speaker 1: so and you're so good on it, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: You know they ask I'm with a panel of saying
Speaker 3: because Ken, even though he pretends, I just think he
Speaker 3: can sing. So they make us open a show with
Speaker 3: a singing number sometimes and literally I don't get nervous
Speaker 3: about things I am a wreck because they have me
Speaker 3: sing a line and I can't sing. I sound like
Speaker 3: Peter Brady.
Speaker 2: On My rat much. I'm like, it's time to change.
Speaker 3: So the Sharp episode that we just did this season,
Speaker 3: which we're doing all of these awesome now themed episodes,
Speaker 3: they had me come out and sing a line and
Speaker 3: they called me when they were in post production and
Speaker 3: they're like, Jenny, we have been laughing in the editing
Speaker 3: bay because you sound so bad that we have to
Speaker 3: have you re record your singing. And I was like,
Speaker 3: I told you I can't sing, and literally I get
Speaker 3: like nauseous. We did a Muppet episode where everyone had
Speaker 3: to sing a line and when the camera posed to me,
Speaker 3: I literally am like this rainbows, I'm just ter.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not a singer. But it also makes
Speaker 2: it fun, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh god, what a ride, right, totally? You and your
Speaker 1: husband Donnie, you guys have been married for almost eleven years?
Speaker 1: Is that it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Similar, I'm just under you at nine maybe ten, I
Speaker 1: can't remember, but like me, we've finally found what it
Speaker 1: appears to be a lasting love. Oh. It seems like
Speaker 1: you have had a fairy tale kind of romance with
Speaker 1: Donnie prosecutest boy.
Speaker 2: We really are a lot similar, aren't we. John, We're
Speaker 2: both crazy.
Speaker 3: So with Donnie, it truly is I feel so lucky
Speaker 3: because when you're in the dating pool, especially as a
Speaker 3: single mom, especially in Los Angeles, you have very limited choices.
Speaker 1: And you're famous, which is another element.
Speaker 2: It's really really hard.
Speaker 3: It's like almost with you're forty, you have to date
Speaker 3: sixty because the forty year olds date the twenty year olds.
Speaker 2: You know, It's like that's how it felt like in
Speaker 2: the day in LA.
Speaker 1: The sixty year olds are still dating like the twenty
Speaker 1: year olds.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I mean. Yeah exactly, Yeah, right, so terrible.
Speaker 3: So if you're a forty year old woman, like, no
Speaker 3: one wants to another guy that's forty doesn't want another
Speaker 3: forty year old.
Speaker 2: They want their twenty year old. So it's like it
Speaker 2: was really difficult, So do you find him? I wound
Speaker 2: up moving.
Speaker 3: I woke up one day after being in LA for
Speaker 3: I lived in Chicago twenty years. I went to LA
Speaker 3: for twenty years, and then I woke up one day
Speaker 3: and I said, I don't want to raise my son here.
Speaker 3: I want to move back, buy a house down the
Speaker 3: street from my best friend and raise our kids together.
Speaker 2: And that's what we did.
Speaker 3: And so when I was out here, I did I
Speaker 3: would fight in New York and do you know, talk shows,
Speaker 3: And then I did my own talk show for a
Speaker 3: second and he came on there in New York as
Speaker 3: a guest, so we actually met and watch What Happens
Speaker 3: Live Andy Cohen's show. He was the second guest in
Speaker 3: the second show, and I'd never met him before and
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 2: He was married, so I didn't really flirt with him.
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, you're a really nice guy.
Speaker 2: Like I had no idea. Andy Cohne was like, you
Speaker 2: got to ask her out, You got to ask her out.
Speaker 3: And so then I wound up doing my show and
Speaker 3: like six months later and he came on as a guest.
Speaker 2: So I'm doing my homework and like, okay, who's he
Speaker 2: Dating's not dating anybody? Still wasn't thinking anything.
Speaker 3: Then he sat down and I started interviewing him, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, he's very smart, Oh he's very funny.
Speaker 2: Wow, he's really cute.
Speaker 3: And then I the interview was supposed to be nine minutes,
Speaker 3: it was ninety.
Speaker 1: Who Okay, that was like your first.
Speaker 3: Date totally, totally and literally there was so much sparks
Speaker 3: in chemistry that everyone in the audience was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 2: And then backstage, I'm like.
Speaker 3: I haven't given my number to a guy ever, and
Speaker 3: I had my assistant run over there and be like,
Speaker 3: here's Shanny's number because I'm like, I don't know how
Speaker 3: to do this. So he wound up waiting for me
Speaker 3: in his dressing room to see to say like goodbye.
Speaker 3: But I was so flushed like a little high school girl.
Speaker 3: My face was red, and I.
Speaker 2: Was like I can't want past him. I can't want
Speaker 2: past him.
Speaker 3: I'm like too scared, I'm too nervous, And so I
Speaker 3: wound up waiting an hour.
Speaker 2: And he was still in the room, but I was
Speaker 2: still scared.
Speaker 3: So I ran past his room, got in the elevator,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I just hope he calls me.
Speaker 2: Two weeks ago by and he doesn't call me.
Speaker 3: He thought I just gave my phone number to everybody.
Speaker 3: That's why I didn't want to see him when I left,
Speaker 3: when really I was like a twelve.
Speaker 2: Year old little girl, like all freaked out.
Speaker 3: So he saw a commercial of me asking a psychic
Speaker 3: on my shop talk show if I'm going to marry
Speaker 3: Donnie Wahlberg, and the psychic was like, yeah, and this
Speaker 3: is before we even went on a date. Okay, but
Speaker 3: it was right after that episode, so he wound up
Speaker 3: calling me. We went on our first date and then
Speaker 3: it was game over. He was just I was so
Speaker 3: worried I was going to fall on the trap of
Speaker 3: men that were uncooked.
Speaker 2: I call him uncooked, like I didn't want to bake,
Speaker 2: because they come uncooked. You to stick them on the oven,
Speaker 2: teach him stuff, and then they're.
Speaker 3: Fully baked and then they're like ugh, And I just
Speaker 3: want a one that was because this is what happened.
Speaker 2: I don't know if what happened for you.
Speaker 3: In the dating world, we tend sometimes us ladies who
Speaker 3: are I feel like women are more of all the
Speaker 3: men sometimes sorry, but okay. And we tend to downshift,
Speaker 3: like I'll do the spiritual growth, I have to end
Speaker 3: a relationship.
Speaker 2: I'll work on myself. I'll get to this next level.
Speaker 3: Then I'll meet a guy and I'll have to downshift
Speaker 3: my energy. It's almost like playing down in a room.
Speaker 3: It's like you'll take you'll sacrifice parts of yourself that
Speaker 3: you already kind of built up yourself. You'll put them
Speaker 3: as the priority instead of yourself. You'll give them the
Speaker 3: first choices instead of So I wound up kind of
Speaker 3: kept downgrading each down, shifting like a car gear in
Speaker 3: each one of these relationships. And I was like, f that,
Speaker 3: I'm not doing that anymore. So I took one year break.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not gonna date anybody. I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna sleep with anybody. I'm not gonna flirt with anybody.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna work on me and stick there. And
Speaker 3: then that's when a year later I met Donnie. So
Speaker 3: he came into my life and we walked together by side,
Speaker 3: holding hands, looking forward and not trying to clip. I
Speaker 3: call it clipping each other's wings because a lot of
Speaker 3: times you get into relationships and you want the other
Speaker 3: person is a little jealous, ego gets involved. They don't
Speaker 3: want you to be successful, feel afraid if you get
Speaker 3: more successful that you might leave them, so they'll clip
Speaker 3: your wings. They'll give you little insults here and there
Speaker 3: to keep you, you know.
Speaker 2: Grounded and so familiar.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, And then you recognize those patterns, and it's
Speaker 3: sadly sometimes you believed it in the past, you know,
Speaker 3: and I just wanted to make sure that I was
Speaker 3: with a wing fluffer, not a wing clipper.
Speaker 2: And Donnie was one of those guys that would just.
Speaker 3: Support me and be there with me and want to
Speaker 3: and celebrate the successes, you know, and he still does
Speaker 3: it to this day.
Speaker 1: That's the best. Again, similarity, That's how I feel with
Speaker 1: my third and hopefully final marriage. I'm glad that kind
Speaker 1: of support. I'm so happy for you to.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's been it's been almost ten years
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 2: You kind of know.
Speaker 3: At this point if they're a wing clipper ling wing clupper.
Speaker 2: So obviously, how did you recognize that he was the
Speaker 2: best to find me asking?
Speaker 1: Honestly, it was that kind of support that I had
Speaker 1: never experienced before, that acceptance of who I was and
Speaker 1: his need almost to let me shine. Like and I
Speaker 1: remember after my divorce, I was like, what are my
Speaker 1: non negotiables? Wrote down the things that I had learned
Speaker 1: about myself that I wanted to do differently, and on
Speaker 1: the on the top of that list was I want
Speaker 1: somebody who is not afraid to let me shine as
Speaker 1: bright as I can and then just be there to
Speaker 1: support me. Yeah, and that's what it was for me.
Speaker 1: And he makes me laugh a lot. Oh, so there's
Speaker 1: that a great me too.
Speaker 3: Humor, I'm telling you, guys, humor is even better than
Speaker 3: a six pack. Guys, it's even better, better than the
Speaker 3: six pacts, so so much better.
Speaker 1: It's so much better because also guys that are interested
Speaker 1: in being funny are not that like self obsessed that
Speaker 1: they have to have a six pack like. They're more
Speaker 1: about like experiencing you and letting you do your thing
Speaker 1: and having a good time. It's just such a difference,
Speaker 1: such a difference.
Speaker 2: It is such a difference.
Speaker 3: And you know, one little tool that me and Donnie
Speaker 3: do to keep things on track, we do a lot
Speaker 3: of work on a relationship is that we do this
Speaker 3: thing come called questions sometimes, so it was like we're
Speaker 3: on a plane ride or we're like taking a long drive,
Speaker 3: or like let's play questions and questions will be maybe
Speaker 3: something on our mind that we didn't like have time
Speaker 3: to really get into a topic right or what can
Speaker 3: we do to Is there anything I can do to
Speaker 3: improve this relationship? Is there anything you're noticing? This is
Speaker 3: part of questions. Is there anything you're noticing that I
Speaker 3: can do or that I'm not doing that would help
Speaker 3: you in our relationship. That is such a beautiful thing
Speaker 3: to ask because there is always something. So for instance,
Speaker 3: one of the things that came up really recently, not
Speaker 3: actually not but maybe a year ago, and we're playing
Speaker 3: questions that Donnie implemented so beautifully, I said, I would
Speaker 3: love even more curiosity, like because sometimes when you're in
Speaker 3: a relationship for so long, you tend to not get
Speaker 3: as curious because you know all the answers to about
Speaker 3: each other, you know, so it's you kind of get
Speaker 3: like we always have that spark, we always have that fire,
Speaker 3: but you tend to sometimes lose a little bit of
Speaker 3: the curiosity. So I said, I would love it if
Speaker 3: you got a little bit more curious, like a talk
Speaker 3: show host when I don't know what news event happened
Speaker 3: or something even like that, like, hey, what do you
Speaker 3: think about that thing that you know so and so
Speaker 3: just out on TV? Or what are you thinking about
Speaker 3: the you know, uh whatever, whatever it is to spark
Speaker 3: like my intellect and to like bring some conversations or
Speaker 3: go deeper or things like that. Just go to playing
Speaker 3: curiosity because we tend to forget to do that.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that has been really really fun. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm going to use that later today. Honestly, I'm going
Speaker 1: to play questions with Dave. Yeah, because I think that
Speaker 1: you're so right. We learn, you know, there's so much
Speaker 1: we can always be working harder to improve our relationship,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you just get complacent and comfortable. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: those things aren't important. So that is a great tip
Speaker 1: for me and all of our listeners. Let's play the
Speaker 1: question game. Okay, I like it.
Speaker 2: I call it check in as well.
Speaker 3: You know, let's do a check in question, but we
Speaker 3: do call it questions because it's fun and we take turns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it's so good. You He just recently
Speaker 1: kind of completed his very long run on Blue Bloods, right, yep,
Speaker 1: you have mal to yourself. Now, how's that working out
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 3: You know, it's been he would go from Blue Bloods
Speaker 3: to his tour, from blue Bloods to his tour. So
Speaker 3: we thank god we have a solid foundation because I
Speaker 3: also shoot my show in LA so there's a lot
Speaker 3: of flying back and forth. There's a lot of not
Speaker 3: seeing es spells like you're in COVID.
Speaker 2: It was hard. So this is the first time.
Speaker 3: We've been together, like twenty four hours a day, and
Speaker 3: now I'm scared because I'm even more addicted to him.
Speaker 3: I thought I was addicted to my husband before. Now
Speaker 3: he just went out of town and I was like,
Speaker 3: we're both going, what are we gonna do? Like, even
Speaker 3: if we're not speaking to each other, our energies together
Speaker 3: is just makes everything calm and wonderful. So now he's
Speaker 3: gonna be filming again. He's doing a spinoff of Blue Bloods.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, so I'm just I'm like, well, I'll
Speaker 2: be visiting you a bundelare, And what about.
Speaker 1: The show that you guys are doing together, the true
Speaker 1: crime specials Very Scary Lovers.
Speaker 2: He does a show called Very Scary People.
Speaker 3: We just did a Valentine special of Very Scary Lovers,
Speaker 3: but we're talking about rolling that off into a series
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say amazing, it's the wrong word.
Speaker 3: Insane couples who are very scary do a lot of
Speaker 3: bad things. So diving into this, I love like psychology
Speaker 3: and thinking and figuring out because especially with couples, usually
Speaker 3: there's one sane person to talk the insane person out
Speaker 3: of doing something dangerous. But when you have insane meeting insane,
Speaker 3: it's a whole other ball of wax.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's about thanks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see if we spin that off. But
Speaker 2: it was really nice working with them, Like I.
Speaker 3: Was like, I bet maybe we could do even more
Speaker 3: together because it was really nice because it didn't feel
Speaker 3: like work then, and we're.
Speaker 2: Like, we're going together, We're going to work together.
Speaker 1: I've always dreamed of working with my husband like that.
Speaker 1: He's a restaurant tour and I don't have any interest
Speaker 1: in serving people so like food. So that's not out yet.
Speaker 1: Maybe some day, but I hope that happens for you
Speaker 1: because I can see how you light up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. I really I enjoy him, I
Speaker 2: love him. I want this to work.
Speaker 1: When you're so I'm not going to say obsessed, but
Speaker 1: you're so happy in your relationship. You love this man
Speaker 1: and you love Evan, your son, Like, how do you
Speaker 1: find time to love yourself? That is? You know, that
Speaker 1: is an age old question, but everybody needs to figure
Speaker 1: out figure out the balance totally.
Speaker 2: And you know, I really believe balance comes with time.
Speaker 2: I think we have to screw it up a lot
Speaker 2: in order.
Speaker 3: To put the oxygen mask on ourselves, and sadly that
Speaker 3: that comes with a lot of depletion and exhaustion. So
Speaker 3: what the best thing that came out of my life
Speaker 3: was a horrific relationship I was in in the past
Speaker 3: that I lost myself so completely that it's kind of like, uh,
Speaker 3: there's a there's a there's a quote from Game of
Speaker 3: Thrones which is hilarious, but I'm always like, yes, he
Speaker 3: says chaos is a ladder, and it's true. So I
Speaker 3: had so much chaos going on in a certain relationship
Speaker 3: that this ladder was the only way out, and that
Speaker 3: ladder was each step of self love and getting out
Speaker 3: of it. I had the most, the biggest epiphany, the
Speaker 3: biggest shift in everything, and I was like, wow, if
Speaker 3: I didn't go through that cdoch relationship, I never would
Speaker 3: have learned about self love and self care.
Speaker 2: I it made me realize important is that I con first.
Speaker 3: Now that doesn't mean, of course, ignoring other people, but
Speaker 3: the freedom to have the balls to be like no,
Speaker 3: this is what I want to do was.
Speaker 2: So hard for me, really hard, really really hard.
Speaker 3: You know. It's like I always people pleaser. My whole
Speaker 3: life were like a caretaker and like I just want
Speaker 3: to make sure everyone else is happy, making sure that
Speaker 3: everyone's upset. I mean when I used to throw parties,
Speaker 3: my friends call me the most annoying person of a
Speaker 3: party because I'd go, you have fun, I have fun,
Speaker 3: even a good time, you have fun, you haven't fun.
Speaker 2: Instead of going like, wait, am I having fun?
Speaker 3: It wasn't until I turned like forty eight that I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't give a shit if anyone's having
Speaker 3: fun at my party.
Speaker 2: I'm having a good time.
Speaker 3: That is a real like shift in life as well,
Speaker 3: because I was also taking care of my son's health.
Speaker 2: That let my health go. So now my health is
Speaker 2: a priority. And even when I met Donnie, I taught him.
Speaker 3: I said, listen, one thing you're going to learn and
Speaker 3: see with me is that my definition of hell now
Speaker 3: is doing something I don't want to do. That's what
Speaker 3: I believe hell now on earth is when you say
Speaker 3: yes to things that you don't want to do. It's
Speaker 3: your fault for not using your voice. So you might
Speaker 3: see me a lot to say now, I don't want
Speaker 3: to do that. Like there's things where he's like, will
Speaker 3: you be my date at so and so thing? And
Speaker 3: I'm like, I love you and no, I love you
Speaker 3: and nope, I don't want it.
Speaker 1: But before I'd be like, okay, okay, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes you said at forty eight, that happened for you,
Speaker 1: like that became clear and I honest to God, not
Speaker 1: just to go with the same Zies thing. But that's
Speaker 1: when it happened for me too, my late forties, when
Speaker 1: I started to really understand who I was and what
Speaker 1: I wanted and what I didn't want. How can we
Speaker 1: do that earlier, like say, for the next generation, How
Speaker 1: can we help younger women, maybe their mothers, maybe they're
Speaker 1: losing themselves, like you said, in their children's health or
Speaker 1: taking care of somebody. How do we encourage that for
Speaker 1: younger women? Because I feel like if we had known
Speaker 1: this younger I don't know, who knows what I mean,
Speaker 1: would have happened.
Speaker 3: I actually thought about that, you know, because I've written
Speaker 3: a lot of books, and one of the things that
Speaker 3: I've realized is when we're younger, we don't want to
Speaker 3: listen to our older parents or older generation. It's like, imagine,
Speaker 3: is then gen Z trying to listen to a boomer bye,
Speaker 3: And it's almost like, and I've learned you can't learn
Speaker 3: to drive a car if you're always in the passenger seat.
Speaker 3: So you have to get in the car and drive
Speaker 3: it and get tickets and you know, do maybe get
Speaker 3: in a car accident review until you learn and it's
Speaker 3: like you don't. The younger generation doesn't really want to
Speaker 3: listen now, mind you. There are some that will listen
Speaker 3: to the wise spiritual teachers. They might be into those
Speaker 3: books and they'll get it. I do feel like the
Speaker 3: younger generation is much more awake than we were, so
Speaker 3: I do think they have an advantage there.
Speaker 2: I do feel like there's a.
Speaker 3: Spiritual shift in our consciousness where I can see that
Speaker 3: they're wise beyond their years.
Speaker 2: So that to me is more of a hopeful thing
Speaker 2: than them actually listening to us and waking up. I
Speaker 2: think it's more of a collective consciousness shift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true, and I see it happening with
Speaker 1: my daughters. Maybe you see it happening with Evan, but
Speaker 1: it is so true. I always think, Wow, you are
Speaker 1: actually so far, so much more advanced emotionally intelligently at
Speaker 1: your age than I was.
Speaker 3: Completely he's so emotionally intelligent that he teaches me sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so beautiful though. I mean, it's the best thing.
Speaker 1: When they like shine that mirror on you, you know,
Speaker 1: and they teach you something, You're like, hey, is this
Speaker 1: is this how it's supposed to be here? But I
Speaker 1: think it is. I think we've been through everything. We've
Speaker 1: had so many experiences, great and bad, and we've learned
Speaker 1: so much, but there's still always more to.
Speaker 2: Learn, always and our kids.
Speaker 3: If you allowed your kids to be your teachers as well,
Speaker 3: you learn so much because you can see yourself also in.
Speaker 2: Everything that you're saying to your child.
Speaker 3: Notice the words you're using, Notice the rules you're putting
Speaker 3: on Noticing are you projecting your own years onto your child?
Speaker 2: Because that's what you know.
Speaker 3: I've had to stop myself going like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: I'm projecting the shit that happened to me onto him.
Speaker 2: I do have to, right, and you have to be
Speaker 2: very awake as a parent to learn to not project.
Speaker 2: But we're doing it out of love and fear, you know.
Speaker 1: And also this is our first time doing it. Like
Speaker 1: I'm always reminding my girls like you, guys, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. I've never done this before, Like
Speaker 1: at this moment I've never done before, so please be
Speaker 1: a little more patient with me to totally lower your
Speaker 1: expectations Justice Midge exactly.
Speaker 3: And then you say to yourself, I try not to
Speaker 3: be like my parents, because you want to pair differently
Speaker 3: than you find yourself falling into.
Speaker 2: That same trap. But it's like it happens. It happens.
Speaker 2: You have to forgive yourself, you know.
Speaker 3: Like I just say, this morning, I kind of like
Speaker 3: he wanted to go visit his girlfriend at like ten
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning this morning, and I was like, no,
Speaker 3: there's a snowstorm happening right now, You're not going there.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I'm twenty two, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't care. Girl into my rope, and then I was
Speaker 2: Then I was apologied. I was like, oh, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't Like if I was twenty two, I'd have
Speaker 2: been like, you know what you could do? You can
Speaker 2: go yourself.
Speaker 3: I'm going yeah, And instead we both apologize for each
Speaker 3: other and hugged.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I have to, you know, be careful.
Speaker 1: Literally last night apologized to my youngest daughter who's eighteen,
Speaker 1: because I didn't think things through enough when I was
Speaker 1: talking to her. I didn't you know, I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't look at it from all those angles, correct, I
Speaker 1: looked at it from like, yeah, this is my house,
Speaker 1: you'll follow my rules. So ew I hate that part
Speaker 1: of me.
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 3: It's big of us that we can say sorry. That's
Speaker 3: right to feel like our egos might get trapped. Sometimes
Speaker 3: we're like, I don't care if I shows. If I
Speaker 3: say sorry, then they're no, no, no, I'm not the boss.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, it has to be you get
Speaker 2: so much more respect.
Speaker 3: And I've learned they've learned to apologize. When you can apologize,
Speaker 3: they learned to come back sometimes they've been snotty or
Speaker 3: snooty or whatever.
Speaker 2: To apologize, at least for my son. I noticed.
Speaker 1: It's so so true. Okay, I want to talk about
Speaker 1: formless beauty, yes, that you created. Did you do this
Speaker 1: with your sister, because I know she's a makeup artist.
Speaker 2: I didn't do it with my sister. And my sister
Speaker 2: was so busy.
Speaker 3: She's she moved to New York and became like another
Speaker 3: world renowned makeup artist. And so I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna dive in myself and the reason why
Speaker 3: I did it because there's there's so many beauty brands
Speaker 3: out there, right, celebrity boot brands out there.
Speaker 2: I'm like, do we need another one?
Speaker 3: But the problem was I didn't have an intention of
Speaker 3: doing it. I've gotten as I went through paramenopause, I
Speaker 3: started getting so much shit wrong with me. Excuse my French,
Speaker 3: but I would have autoimmune issues. I've got lee gut, candida,
Speaker 3: silly a disease, hashimotos and teacher for oar de mutation,
Speaker 3: just a lot of stuff and sensitivities to chemicals. I
Speaker 3: learned so much with healing my kind of own son
Speaker 3: going through things that I learned about toxins. So I said, okay,
Speaker 3: you know what time to put the oxygen mask on myself.
Speaker 3: I did a lot of healing with everyone around me.
Speaker 3: It's time to heal me. So I said, I'm just
Speaker 3: going to look for a super clean brand. I was
Speaker 3: horrified and shocked that the last time the FDA truly
Speaker 3: regulated makeup was over eighty years ago, and makeup companies
Speaker 3: are allowed to use the word clean without any regulation.
Speaker 3: So what they're scouting is clean is certainly not clean.
Speaker 3: That's like saying, oh, this is vegan, so that means clean. No,
Speaker 3: just doesn't mean you didn't use any Okay, that doesn't
Speaker 3: mean clean. So I was like, shit, I got to
Speaker 3: do this by myself. So I said, how am I
Speaker 3: going to do this? Because me, Jenny McCarthy, doesn't know
Speaker 3: what's clean and what's not clean. I don't people heard
Speaker 3: of the Environmental Working Group. If you don't know who
Speaker 3: they are, you guys, it's EWG dot org. They are
Speaker 3: the gold standard in what is toxic in your laundry,
Speaker 3: in your food, in your makeup and your skincare. They
Speaker 3: have doctors and scientists that have done all of this
Speaker 3: science and research.
Speaker 2: So I sat with them.
Speaker 3: I took a meeting and I said, I want to
Speaker 3: create beauty brand over your restrictions that you've done all
Speaker 3: the work.
Speaker 2: Now, there's not that many people that can do this.
Speaker 3: That's why when you get their stamp up of approval,
Speaker 3: probably there's no celebrity brands. Maybe one that got some
Speaker 3: you know, stamps approval. They gave me a list of
Speaker 3: over nine hundred pages of unacceptable restricted ingredients to not
Speaker 3: use in a makeup company. Now that means it's a
Speaker 3: lot harder it's going to take me a lot longer.
Speaker 3: It's going to be much more expensive. We can't use
Speaker 3: cheap cancer causing chemicals, which would make the price margins
Speaker 3: a little lower.
Speaker 2: But I didn't want to that.
Speaker 3: I want to be able to know that I am
Speaker 3: offering a solution for people that care about their toxic load.
Speaker 3: So we've created this most and I am so hands in.
Speaker 3: It's made me a new USA so I could be
Speaker 3: next to my chemist. My chemist hates me because I'm like,
Speaker 3: no better, Let's do it. So we formulated skincare. We
Speaker 3: just look at them like a brag and a brag.
Speaker 1: Skin careful, your packaging is beautiful you.
Speaker 3: And like, by the way, let me brag and give
Speaker 3: you an example for our mescara. We are one of
Speaker 3: the very few without hormone disruptors. Mescara is like the
Speaker 3: second biggest offender in makeup. There's there's Foundation, and then
Speaker 3: there's Mescarra because they use hormone disruptors and forever chemicals
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 2: So I was like, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 3: Not only to that, we did it without paravans, without thaltes,
Speaker 3: without aluminum powder, without promeldehyde, and it's freaking amazing. So
Speaker 3: it's like things like that that I'm so proud of.
Speaker 3: We've got chemo patients that call and be like, thank
Speaker 3: you so much. People with allergies, people say I couldn't
Speaker 3: even wear makeup anymore until I used your brand. Young
Speaker 3: teenagers who care about the toxicityes pregnant women. So if
Speaker 3: you have if you're sensitive to the environment, if you
Speaker 3: care about toxicities, if you have allergies, if you have sensitivities,
Speaker 3: this brand literally was formulated for you. I'm finding my
Speaker 3: tribe of people. It's called formalist beauty.
Speaker 1: Yes, formless beauty. I love that it's formless.
Speaker 2: It's farmles. You know I got the name from. Do
Speaker 2: you know who Eckartoli is? Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, he always I love him. He always referred to
Speaker 3: like our soul as formless. It doesn't have form. Of course,
Speaker 3: our human body does has form, but our soul doesn't.
Speaker 3: So when I was trying to create the company and
Speaker 3: coming up with a name, I wanted to put an
Speaker 3: intention behind it to remind people, Okay, even though we're
Speaker 3: doing the beauty aspect the external, I wanted to remind
Speaker 3: people that true beauty, real beauty comes from within and
Speaker 3: that is formless beauty. So that stuck with me, and
Speaker 3: I just said, that is my intention that even though
Speaker 3: we're doing this, makeup is just the cherry on top.
Speaker 2: People, because real beauty does come from within. But I
Speaker 2: love makeup. I just don't want to die for it.
Speaker 1: So good. I mean, it's true some people probably don't
Speaker 1: understand this, but sometimes choosing yourself is just as simple
Speaker 1: as like putting on a little lip color or some
Speaker 1: cheek color. By the way, I am obsessed with the
Speaker 1: little circle. I don't know is that she can lit
Speaker 1: and she's, yeah, dying for it. I'm so Actually, I'm
Speaker 1: not dying for it.
Speaker 2: You're not dying for it.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing it right now. I put on extra this
Speaker 1: morning just to impress you.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad, thank you. And it's the ingredients are
Speaker 2: so clean. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get all of my kids on this too,
Speaker 1: because as a mom, I really really worry about what
Speaker 1: they're putting on their face, on their skin, which is
Speaker 1: rapidly absorbed into their bloodstreams.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, this is a big concern of mine.
Speaker 2: Daily, and you guys think about it.
Speaker 3: Most companies will import from China because that's how their
Speaker 3: margins are so cheap.
Speaker 2: Do you think anything that one's testing over in China
Speaker 2: hail to the no.
Speaker 3: No no.
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about the hurdles that
Speaker 1: you've overcome creating this, because it sounds like that kind
Speaker 1: of quality control drives your price up. How were you
Speaker 1: able to do that?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, by following the Environmental work Group and
Speaker 3: keeping it in the United States.
Speaker 2: It almost impossible.
Speaker 3: Like I even thought, there's no way I'm going to
Speaker 3: be able to make a beauty brand under those standards
Speaker 3: without charging people one hundred and.
Speaker 2: Fifty dollars for lip gloss.
Speaker 3: So we were still a premium, higher end brand for
Speaker 3: that reason. So I try to make it so we
Speaker 3: can still stay upfloat and give people the highest quality makeup.
Speaker 3: I'm not rolling in the dough yet to make profits
Speaker 3: because I take the money and I roll it into
Speaker 3: more products because I really wanted to build it as
Speaker 3: clean as possible. But I feel like people are willing
Speaker 3: to pay a little bit more knowing that they're not
Speaker 3: contributing to their toxic load. Because let me tell you, guys,
Speaker 3: we are all having like imagine like a barrel. Our
Speaker 3: body can handle toxins to a certain point, but when
Speaker 3: that gets overflow, that is your immune system ds regulating.
Speaker 3: That's when you start to see MS, allergies, leaky gut, Parkinson's,
Speaker 3: all of those horrible things. And what especially those parabins
Speaker 3: and those salads and hormone disruptors are the cancer routes.
Speaker 2: So again, no one is regulating.
Speaker 3: That's why the Environmental Working Group I'm so proud to
Speaker 3: kind of be working with them because they've done the work.
Speaker 3: It's what the FDA should have been doing along, and
Speaker 3: I wish it was more regulated. Like I hope that
Speaker 3: I can be a trailblazer and showing people that you
Speaker 3: can be done. It can be done, and it should
Speaker 3: be done. So let's hope that we get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the truth is, makeup lasts a while. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. When you're creating a clean product,
Speaker 1: does it have a lot less of a shelf life?
Speaker 3: It does so for instance, which but your mescarra, like
Speaker 3: our mescarra is a year. You're going to go through
Speaker 3: this probably in three, yeah, three or four months. The
Speaker 3: lip gloss is two years.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not.
Speaker 1: But that's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 3: And like our eyeshadow is help free, which means no asbestos.
Speaker 3: You know, we still have a shorter shelf life compared
Speaker 3: to you know, brands that don't care where they have
Speaker 3: you a harsh preservative that will last ten years.
Speaker 2: Now a shorter shelf life.
Speaker 1: But it's still not too sure because you're still getting
Speaker 1: value because you're going to use this stuff all the time.
Speaker 1: You're gonna love it so much, I'm telling you people.
Speaker 1: And also it really irritates me when they'll create, like
Speaker 1: kids make up a little palette for little girls, boys
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it's full of crap.
Speaker 3: Oh, if you can just google the reactions that kids get,
Speaker 3: it's like horrible.
Speaker 2: And again, no one is looking out into skincare and makeup.
Speaker 2: You were on your own. It's a wild, wild I
Speaker 2: want to say, Wes.
Speaker 3: But it's around the world because they're god knows where
Speaker 3: they're getting the ingredients and no one's looking at them,
Speaker 3: no one.
Speaker 1: No one. You know what Jenny McCarthy is and that's
Speaker 1: all I need to know. Formless beauty, you guys, Oh,
Speaker 1: what are your three must have items that make you
Speaker 1: feel put together? Like when you're not in full glam
Speaker 1: for work, just in your real life.
Speaker 2: Does this mean is it makeup or other things?
Speaker 1: I think let's start with makeup.
Speaker 3: Make up, A lip gloss, A lip gloss and a
Speaker 3: mascara I can get by my cheek and clip blush.
Speaker 3: Gives me a little bonus because I can do this
Speaker 3: like if I'm my friends, I can go uh ruh,
Speaker 3: just even that. So mascara and a little cheek lip
Speaker 3: blush done. I don't even need a lot of foundation
Speaker 3: at this point because I don't want a bunch of
Speaker 3: lines on my face. It's like, just give me a
Speaker 3: little messcara to make me look like my eyes are open, right,
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 2: That's it? And then a good deodorant.
Speaker 1: You need to make one.
Speaker 2: I am it's coming out.
Speaker 1: It's coming out.
Speaker 2: Here for it.
Speaker 1: We're the same age, we've been in the same industry.
Speaker 1: It's been all about how we look. What does beauty
Speaker 1: mean to you? Like, what does it mean to you
Speaker 1: to be beautiful?
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no doubt having be in this business,
Speaker 3: you do have to care somewhat about the external, so
Speaker 3: you can't ignore that.
Speaker 2: But in this age, I have learned that the most
Speaker 2: beautiful women can appear actually ugly if they are not
Speaker 2: beautiful on the inside. And we've and we've seen it,
Speaker 2: you know you can.
Speaker 3: There's a there's an energy that exudes you that surpasses
Speaker 3: I think wrinkles, wait anything that I've seen. The most
Speaker 3: beautiful radiating women who are not models, who are normal,
Speaker 3: aready people that I am in awe of their beauty.
Speaker 3: So to me, the formless beauty radiates so much stronger
Speaker 3: on you know, on the inside than it does on
Speaker 3: the outside. But again, making yourself feel pretty on the
Speaker 3: outside does help you feel a little better on the inside.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we got to take care of ourselves. I think
Speaker 1: we you know, like we talked about before, you lose
Speaker 1: track of taking care of yourself. But just getting a
Speaker 1: little gussied up once in a while.
Speaker 2: Or does it makes you just lit a little bit better.
Speaker 1: And you're right, when I have a lip gloss on,
Speaker 1: when I have a little cheek tent on, I feel like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm more awake, alive, presentable.
Speaker 2: It's true because sometimes you wanted to reflect how good
Speaker 2: you're feeling on the inside.
Speaker 3: Sometimes too, you're like you'll sometimes I'll pass in the
Speaker 3: mirror and I've been wearing sweats from college still in
Speaker 3: my hair, Like, but I'm like, wait a minute, I'm
Speaker 3: so happy on the inside. Let me just make the
Speaker 3: external reflect a little bit of how good I feel.
Speaker 2: On the outside.
Speaker 1: That is such good, good messaging. Okay, I have one
Speaker 1: last question for you. Yeah, yeah, Jenny McCarthy Wahlberg before
Speaker 1: I let you go, what was your last I choose me.
Speaker 3: Moment, my last I Choose me? I seem to do
Speaker 3: them all the time, but I can tell you a
Speaker 3: big one. The latest big one I did was I
Speaker 3: checked into an Airbnb and I did a three week
Speaker 3: cleanse where I didn't want to talk to anybody, I
Speaker 3: didn't want social media, and it was.
Speaker 2: A hardcore cleanse. It was like seven days of like
Speaker 2: no food, you just do water. Then you do the
Speaker 2: next day of like green.
Speaker 3: Shakes, and then you have a klonic machine that you
Speaker 3: do all your own colonics.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was hard.
Speaker 1: Wait, whoa wha You do your own colonics?
Speaker 2: Sounded like a crazy person. But yeah, I've got so
Speaker 2: many gut issues.
Speaker 3: But they have these home kits that are amazing. But
Speaker 3: in the stuff that gets out of you like a
Speaker 3: parasite cleanse, like deep deep clean So to me is
Speaker 3: the biggest I choose me because I feel like it's
Speaker 3: going to elongate my life and get rid of a
Speaker 3: lot of the bad stuff. But you've got to be alone,
Speaker 3: like you you can't be because when you're detoxing, you're
Speaker 3: also detoxing emotions. You know, we store a lot of emotions,
Speaker 3: even in our fat cells and ourselves, So when you're detoxing,
Speaker 3: all of that's coming out when you don't have food.
Speaker 3: That's why a lot of a religious sex you know,
Speaker 3: they they do fasting in order to get clarity, so
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that happened during that time.
Speaker 2: So to me, it's like the best thing that you
Speaker 2: can do is like a once in a year cleanse.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is such a good moment for you. Wait,
Speaker 1: if people out there are as crazy as you and
Speaker 1: I'm one of them, where do we get this cleanse?
Speaker 1: Do you mind sharing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I mean, let me try to think. Cell Core has
Speaker 3: a great cleanse. Cell Core is the name of the company.
Speaker 3: They've got a great parasite cleanse. There's one that you
Speaker 3: can tie up with the full moons because that's when
Speaker 3: your worms come out to play, and that's when you
Speaker 3: kill them.
Speaker 2: But they to me right now, sel Core has the
Speaker 2: best cleanses.
Speaker 3: And then I've incorporated some of my old cleanses from
Speaker 3: the past with this because there isn't necessarily a water
Speaker 3: cleanse that goes along with sel Core, but.
Speaker 2: I just think it's the best on the market right now.
Speaker 2: Sell Core.
Speaker 1: Well, you are clear minded and vibrant and glowing, so
Speaker 1: sign me up.
Speaker 2: Back atch your sister.
Speaker 1: I love talking to you. I could talk to forever
Speaker 1: me too. We're sisters from other misters, so for sure
Speaker 1: I'm always here to take your mail or to sign
Speaker 1: an autograph for you.
Speaker 2: That's right, me too. You're so awesome.
Speaker 1: I love you. Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and thanks to all your listeners for listening
Speaker 2: to me blab. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1: They love it. They love it.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's talk to you to keep in touch,
Speaker 2: will y'all?
Speaker 1: Okay, alright, bye her Bye