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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to episode of the Bobby Cast with

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Speaker 1: Dan Smiers of Dan and Jay. Do you feel like

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Speaker 1: I guess the question I always wondered is do you

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Speaker 1: feel like you've lost some of your identity? Because you're

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Speaker 1: always known as one of the two people. I do

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Speaker 1: lose my last name a little bit. It's Dan of

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Speaker 1: Dan and Shay. You know what I mean, because I

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Speaker 1: never say is that even how I've never even talked

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Speaker 1: to you as Dan Smiers? Is that even how you

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Speaker 1: say that this is the first time I like it?

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Speaker 1: It's nice. It is how I say it officially. You

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Speaker 1: knowed it. Usually it's like Smears or Dan s Myers

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Speaker 1: or Dance Myers. I've had people be like, oh, Dance

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Speaker 1: Myers d n C. Meyers school because you were Dan

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Speaker 1: when you moved down here. You weren't Dan and Jay

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Speaker 1: I was. I was. I was like the really poor

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Speaker 1: guy who couldn't afford to pay his rent. Dan. It

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Speaker 1: was it was rough times for a while. That's gotta

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Speaker 1: be frustrating to be one and awesome, because there are

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Speaker 1: times two where you can lean on someone and it

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Speaker 1: goes back and forth. But to be because you're you're

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Speaker 1: a real life human like when you prick you bleed.

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Speaker 1: I exist, I'm here, I'm rocking. I was late. I

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Speaker 1: was a few minutes later. This traffic, traff traffic gets me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's ice, it's traffic. It's you just can't win.

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Speaker 1: It's Tennessee, where we're not used to this. I'm also

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Speaker 1: not good at preparing either, so I'll you know, see

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Speaker 1: it'says like traffic is light, eleven minutes is your time,

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Speaker 1: and I'll leave eleven minutes before I have to leave.

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Speaker 1: That would drive me crazy. If it says eleven minutes,

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Speaker 1: I'll leave twenty one minutes. Yeah, and prepared. That's why

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Speaker 1: you're more successful than I. That's not true. My hill, though,

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Speaker 1: to get up here is just treacherous and steep. I

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Speaker 1: was wondering was it bad the last few days? Terrible?

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Speaker 1: I couldn't. Luckily, I have Jeep, and I put the

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Speaker 1: jeep in for we'll drive. I've never driven anything for

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Speaker 1: will drive in my life. So I bought the Geep

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Speaker 1: because I have this humongous hill that I live on,

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Speaker 1: and I knew one day with ice, so I bought

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Speaker 1: the jeep off for the big build up in this

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Speaker 1: last weekend and it were, and I tried to get

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Speaker 1: up in the two well drive first, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: this is the least interesting story ever. But in my

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Speaker 1: heart it feels good to tell this story. Like I

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Speaker 1: bought this jeep for this one thing, and so I

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Speaker 1: I put in two well drop and I tried to

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Speaker 1: get up the hill and it wouldn't go. I was like, okay, good, good, good,

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Speaker 1: good hard. That's brute. And then I put it in

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Speaker 1: four wall drive and just dominated the hill and my

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Speaker 1: my pecker got a little puffy straight straight to the sky.

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Speaker 1: It was good man. I loved it. And then um,

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Speaker 1: but just so, there are two sides of this hill

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Speaker 1: where I live and this side over here. I don't

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Speaker 1: know which side you came up on, but there are

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Speaker 1: cars that park on the side of the road, and

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Speaker 1: I've seen other cars fall and it's in nail cars

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Speaker 1: all the way down because you can't. Once you start sliding,

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Speaker 1: working uh on my computer in the front of the house,

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Speaker 1: and we've got a window there and there's people were

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Speaker 1: flying down on the street. It is completely covered. It's insane.

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Speaker 1: I live in East Nashville, so Gallatin is like it

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Speaker 1: looks like there was never snow. But at my house

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Speaker 1: Some guy was cruising down and I mean literally it

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Speaker 1: was like fishtail and like going back. I thought he

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Speaker 1: was gonna just wreck every car on the street. But

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Speaker 1: or or girl whoever was driving that car when they

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Speaker 1: put up probably a guy were reckless drivers brought up

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Speaker 1: that stop sign. I was like, yeah, I got out

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Speaker 1: of that one. That was good. Have you ever been

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Speaker 1: in a wreck? I have. I broke my wrist in

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Speaker 1: a wreck here actually in town. Were in town. It

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Speaker 1: was you know the turnaround down by the convention center. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's a that's the round the circle. Yeah, you're round about.

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Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. I was coming around the thing and

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Speaker 1: It was I'd still be driving my car. I had

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Speaker 1: the same car for like, you know, fifteen years, the

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Speaker 1: I tried to turn the wheel and I broke my wrist.

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Speaker 1: It was you turned it on reaction. I turned it

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Speaker 1: had never on stage dropped the guitar before. I was

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Speaker 1: always like the guy who strump's underwhelming guitar chords on stage.

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Speaker 1: But we were on an acoustic tour. We were opening

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Speaker 1: can't miss these shows. We're getting like a hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: And uh, we didn't cancel them. We had we hired

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Speaker 1: a guitar player, got insurance actually to cover for the

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Speaker 1: guitar player to come out because otherwise, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: with Big cast On and we're like, this is kind

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Speaker 1: have a guitar are So next is a headset Mike

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Speaker 1: m and that, by the way, that guitar player also

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Speaker 1: known as Eric Clapton, that's how he got a start.

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Speaker 1: It is exactly. It was right, and then you know

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Speaker 1: it all happened. It was insane, but I have a

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Speaker 1: tea here. So I asked the right question, because so

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Speaker 1: when you came in downstairs, my assistant is down there.

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Speaker 1: She got into a wreck today. Someone pulled out in

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Speaker 1: front of her. Their side window was fully iced over

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Speaker 1: and they couldn't see. And she's driving down the road.

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Speaker 1: They pull out. There was no ice on the road,

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Speaker 1: nailed each other. That's brutal. And so she all right,

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Speaker 1: I should get on and check on her. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: go down a check on her. Yeah, she's good. She

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Speaker 1: didn't talk for a minute. But are you okay? I

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Speaker 1: just hurt. They're still recording up there. I just heard

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Speaker 1: you had a wreck. Now her she has a suv.

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Speaker 1: It's completely smushed. It's crazy when you see metal like

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Speaker 1: And both of them were okay, and it also was

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Speaker 1: it I don't know. Yeah, somewhere there are some I'm

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Speaker 1: about to throw through our town under the bus. Here

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Speaker 1: there are some bad drivers in Nashville. They are bad

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Speaker 1: drivers everywhere, It's true, but here is like especially worse.

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Speaker 1: combination of the Southern pace and then a lot of transplants,

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Speaker 1: and uh, that's funny. The Southern pace. Maybe that's just

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Speaker 1: the pace that I live my driving life because I've

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Speaker 1: Maybe I only know the Southern pace because I've only

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Speaker 1: lived in the South. I do. I am a slow driver,

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Speaker 1: though I'm I've knocked on wood. I'm gonna ticket on

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Speaker 1: pulled over, like I don't know five or six times.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna let you off with a warning. I'm

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Speaker 1: always like super polite to whenever they pulled me over.

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Speaker 1: But somebody out there listening is a police officer. They're like,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get this guy's first ticket today. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: be looking for me. I feel like calling one and

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Speaker 1: on you're on the way out. He had a little

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Speaker 1: to drink at the house and maybe maybe you want

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Speaker 1: to check out passion for Lacroix. He's just that's what

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Speaker 1: he's drinking. I was like, Hey, you wanta water? You

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Speaker 1: definitely want to water. We're gonna go talk for now.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta Lacroix. W dude. So I'm

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm interested in a lot of this stuff

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Speaker 1: that was you before Dan and Shay, and I want

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Speaker 1: to get to a lot of this, especially now. And

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Speaker 1: people will listen to this for years because with podcasts

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Speaker 1: you kind of look through and pick things you like. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I think people will like to see your name

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Speaker 1: and listen to this. So I want to get to

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Speaker 1: Are we gonna listen as Dan of Dan and Shay

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Speaker 1: or Dan Smiers Dan Dan, We'll get more hits. I'll

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Speaker 1: listen however you want. We can listen to Mr Smiers

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Speaker 1: and that's it. That's I like that. Mr Smiers though Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: Yes so, but when you moved to town, obviously, and

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Speaker 1: people may not know the story and you've told on

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Speaker 1: the air before, but I'll have you retell it again,

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Speaker 1: just briefly. But you met Sha while here. I did,

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Speaker 1: But you moved here to do what I moved here

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Speaker 1: to be a songwriter and producer. I moved here from Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I grew up listening to all

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Speaker 1: But you moved here in two thousand and ten to

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Speaker 1: be a producer and a writer. Huh yeah. I moved

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Speaker 1: he's killing it now. But it wasn't like that for

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Speaker 1: he's crushing it As a songwriter. He's written a few hits. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He wrote She's Got Away with Words for Blake Shelton,

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Speaker 1: which was one of my favorite songs Blakes put out. Um,

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Speaker 1: only one of Blake's songs to not go number one.

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Speaker 1: It was the first one of like the after thirteen

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Speaker 1: he was bummed. There were a few lyrics in there

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Speaker 1: that were edgy, but it's cool. I mean, Blake Shelton

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Speaker 1: and I was so happy for him. We had been

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Speaker 1: had a mutual friend who his name is Rohan Colie.

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Speaker 1: He's now he's actually his his wife's sitting labor like

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Speaker 1: He was like, you guys are both trying to do

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Speaker 1: the same thing. You would this dud in Pennsylvania. Are

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Speaker 1: you in this dude? He was from Georgia and yeah,

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457
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458
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Speaker 1: I have a my identity attempted to be stolen at

459
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Speaker 1: least ten times. Dude. We had a situation happened to us.

460
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Speaker 1: This is back to good transition. Back to the house.

461
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Speaker 1: We were living in Andy and I we found this

462
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Speaker 1: painting online. It was I don't know, maybe like twenty

463
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Speaker 1: dollars or something like that. We were trying to make

464
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Speaker 1: our decrepit old house look a little better. We found

465
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 1: this painting and this thing was massive. I mean it

466
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Speaker 1: was like six ft long, like eight ft highs big

467
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Speaker 1: old canvas painting. And we're like, you know what, we

468
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,879
Speaker 1: should like lie about this on Craigslist and put it

469
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Speaker 1: up and be like this is like a famous like painting.

470
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Speaker 1: It's worth you know, fifteen hundred bucks or something like that,

471
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Speaker 1: and see if anybody bites. We put it up on craigslist,

472
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Speaker 1: I could you not. Within like an hour, somebody hits

473
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Speaker 1: back and it's like we want the painting, Like, can

474
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Speaker 1: we email you, and we're like, oh my gosh, this

475
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Speaker 1: is huge, this is massive. And they hit us back

476
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 1: and they're like, but we want to pay you. We

477
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Speaker 1: want to pay you more than what we asked for.

478
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Speaker 1: But it was like one of those situations where they

479
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Speaker 1: try to scam you. You've gotta like send a check

480
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Speaker 1: so they can cash it and do the whole thing.

481
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Speaker 1: Or no, no, they were they were trying to scam

482
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Speaker 1: the scammera they were trying to scam the scam I'll dude,

483
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Speaker 1: I've been scammed for years. Still did you any money

484
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Speaker 1: out of it? So they sent us a check and

485
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 1: it was for like, I don't know, seventeen it was.

486
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Speaker 1: It was more than what we asked for. It was

487
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 1: a lot, like in the thousands, and we took it

488
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Speaker 1: to it. We didn't want to take it to our

489
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Speaker 1: own bank because we were like, this could be like

490
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: we should try to get the cash quick, even if

491
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 1: we have to pay like a low commission. We took

492
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: it to Advanced Financial, like one of those check cashing

493
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: places on Nolan'sville Road, and you know, it's like a

494
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: glass window and you slip it through like you're paint

495
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Speaker 1: at a gas station, and uh, they look at the

496
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Speaker 1: check and they looked at us and they're like, uh,

497
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to call the police. This is a

498
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Speaker 1: fraudulent check. And we're like no, no, no, like seriously,

499
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Speaker 1: we we don't know what's happening, Like we just try

500
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Speaker 1: to sell painting on Craigslist and this guy like and

501
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, well you need to get out of

502
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Speaker 1: here immediately because this is a frauduct. I guess this

503
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 1: person had done it before. And uh, we sprinted out

504
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: of there. No, we got the painting, We never sent

505
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Speaker 1: the paint. No, the whole issue. I don't know how

506
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: this scam worked. We figured it out one time, but

507
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: it was yeah, it was we didn't that's what you deserved.

508
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: You were trying to cheat and it was a good painting.

509
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: Though it looks pretty good. You still have it. He

510
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: still has it, honestly, still has it. It's funny, so

511
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: you and him move into this house. Moving to this house,

512
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Speaker 1: you're both what's he doing? You're out cutting demos for

513
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: our what's he doing kind of the same thing. You know,

514
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: he was writing and just like scraping by on what

515
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: he could. We're helping each other. We supportive of each other,

516
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: two guys together. No, we were we were working together.

517
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: We're writing songs together, and you know, putting We started

518
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: putting the Bonaventure band together while we were down there,

519
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: and we were like, you know, we had a little

520
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: bit of stuff going on. We we had connections, I

521
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: guess from what we had done in the past and

522
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: who we knew before we moved to Nashville, and we

523
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Speaker 1: like we saved up our money or I don't know

524
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Speaker 1: how we did, or like borrowed my dad's airline points

525
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: and flew to New York one time and showcase for

526
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Speaker 1: Mercury Records. This guy, David Massey as Bonaventure. So we

527
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Speaker 1: were like, we didn't know whether we were obviously writing

528
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Speaker 1: country songs, but we were just telling people whatever they

529
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Speaker 1: wanted to hear. So this pop label, like I was like, yeah,

530
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Speaker 1: come in and play for the President. I mean, this

531
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: guy signed like Massive Acts, and we go up there.

532
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,959
Speaker 1: I have a banjo, five string banjo and he had

533
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Speaker 1: an acoustic guitar. This was before like the resurgence of

534
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 1: the banjo and pop music happened. Like Mumford and Sons

535
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Speaker 1: and Imagine Dragons put him handling in their pop track

536
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: this was like before that became cool. And I walk

537
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: into this New York office Mercury Records, and it's the

538
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: two of us singing country songs and they're like, so,

539
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 1: you guys want to sign this pop label? Huh. We're

540
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: like yeah, we would do anything you want, Like have

541
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: you ever thought about being in a country act? And

542
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: we're like no, no. We just start telling them what

543
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: they wanted to hear, what we thought they wanted to hear,

544
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: and they're like cool, Uh, yeah, we'll be in touch.

545
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 1: And we went back to Nashville and nothing ever came

546
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: a bit. So did you guys break up the idea

547
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: of Bonaventure after they didn't work? It was kind of

548
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: not immediately there. We were kind of just fizzling out,

549
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: like focusing a little more on the writing thing. We

550
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been here for like four or five

551
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: years before Shane and I met, and uh, what was

552
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: the big I wouldn't even say break, but what was

553
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: the pop for you? Where you go? Okay? I can

554
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: at least relax a bit on rent. So when I

555
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,719
Speaker 1: signed my publishing video to Warner Chapel, I had sixty

556
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: three dollars in my account, like cold sixty three that

557
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: I know that number for a fact, And I mean

558
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: my rent that month was like a hundred fifty, So

559
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Speaker 1: I was I hadn't figured it out yet what I

560
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: was gonna do, but it was pretty nice. While we

561
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: were like, you know, negotiating deals and with the record

562
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: label and a publishing company, we would we would. There's

563
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: this guy Alex Hedel, he runs he's that big machine publishing.

564
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: He still like gives me a hard time because he

565
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: was like, we wanted to sign you guys, and you

566
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: just like let us on. And we went out to

567
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: soul Shine and spent like fifteen dollars at the bar,

568
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: and like, I'm like, no, we did. We went at

569
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: one time and got a pizza and a beer, but

570
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: we always pike each other a hard time about it.

571
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: So whenever you're doing that, if you're an artist out

572
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: there and like you're you're being courted by labels, if

573
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: they want to buy you a car, if they want

574
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: to buy you, just take it. You know. It's funny.

575
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: How I knew you guys first was not as friends

576
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: who were trying to be artists. I don't think we

577
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: had a deal at that point. You didn't have a no,

578
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: but that's not always like I had these friends then

579
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: we were doing karaoke and I was like Dan and

580
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: she was like, it's Dan and Shay and I was

581
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: like we had demo. Yeah. I was like, okay, cool.

582
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: The artist thing wasn't a thing. It was just not

583
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: as friends, not as friends who like rank other people's

584
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: beer and partied and yeah, this is crazy. I knew

585
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: not a way back. I met her. Uh, she was working.

586
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: I think she was a pop station or doing she

587
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: was for the River, Yes, for the River and Boys

588
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: Like Girls who I I know, and I'd go way

589
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: back with those guys. They were still doing the band,

590
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: and they came and played a show, a Christmas show,

591
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: and I met Nada there. She was like doing promo

592
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: for the station and they did an acoustic radio show.

593
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: And I was hanging with Paul and Martin from Boys

594
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: Like Girls and I met Nada and we became friends.

595
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: And she'd been to that terrible house. She knows all

596
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: about it. That's funny. I just think back because all

597
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: these memories are hitting now, because that's right when I

598
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: moved to town. Is it right about the time you

599
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: guys went on with Warner and became a thing. But again,

600
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: you weren't Dan and Show. You were Dan and Shapes

601
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: to do just to her friends. Still looking for a

602
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: band name, Yeah, that's crazy. We were honestly under SoundCloud.

603
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope it's private because somebody's gonna

604
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: go out there and find it. We were on SoundCloud

605
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: as Ragtop Red. That was our name. We were like

606
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: big Tim McGraw fans and we're like, well he has

607
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: red ragtop what if we like flip it ragtop Rad.

608
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: There have been there is one. We were in Austin, Texas.

609
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: We did south By Southwest and uh, we were down there.

610
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: It was I don't remember exactly the timing of this. No,

611
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: this was the first. We've done south By Southwest twice.

612
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: The second time Justin Bieber came out on stage with us.

613
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: It was a whole the whole thing that was crazy.

614
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: The first time we did it. There's a picture of it.

615
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: There was only we played a showcase and like Shay's

616
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: lawyer at the time, this guy Jim's I'm Walt the Man,

617
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: great guy. Uh, he was like, come down to do

618
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: this showcase and we can hang out. And we were like,

619
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: this is awesome, you know, We went down and there

620
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: was literally three people in the crowd, my lawyer Jonathan

621
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: he's the man, Jim's I'm Walt, and Paul d. Giovanni,

622
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: the guy boys like girls keeps coming up in this situation.

623
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: I don't know why he was there. I think he

624
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: was just I think the band was on a break

625
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: or something at that point and he was just hanging out.

626
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: He was literally standing in the crowd and there's We

627
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: watched this the other night. We were cutting together videos

628
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: for Tequila and my buddy Pete Tracy, who does like

629
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: all our content, he found a video that somebody had

630
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: taken and it was showed us like rocking on stage.

631
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm wearing like a Boston Red Sox hat and we're

632
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: dancing around like we've got something going on, and he

633
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: zooms out. Literally no one in the crowd was so embarrassing.

634
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: But what is your name? So we go to p

635
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: F Chains after that little showcase, and Zombie's like, you

636
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: guys are poised to be the next big stars, like whatever,

637
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: we need to come up with a name. So he's

638
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: got his little iPad. We're sitting at the roundtable in

639
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: the corner of PF Chains in Austin and he's like,

640
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: I got it, and we're sitting there like you might

641
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: have it. This is awesome, let's hear him out. He's

642
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: like not showing us. He's got a big surprise and

643
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: he's typing it out on this little iPad and he

644
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: flips it around. And his big pitch to us was

645
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: that the name should be Schools Out. Yeah. So like

646
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: if we ever get big, like Dirk's Bentley or something

647
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: and can do the you know, that's funny. I remember that. Man.

648
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: It's so funny because I think of you guys as

649
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: part of my memory when I first got to town,

650
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: because you guys were being a thing right when I

651
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: whatever I was being and whatever I am, I started

652
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 1: to be a thing right when you guys were being

653
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: a thing. At the same time, people hated all of us,

654
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: all of us. They we were ruining country music and

655
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: still are, by the way, we're still running country. It's

656
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: a very vocal minority. It's it's insane, it's it's I've

657
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: never seen anything like it. I was talking to someone

658
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: that I do business with the other day and we

659
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: were talking about the people that listen to country music,

660
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: and I said, you can't pay attention to the people

661
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: that talk to you about it, because the people they're

662
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: satisfied and love it. They quiet, They just love it,

663
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: and they consume what they like of it. They don't

664
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: complain about what they don't. They just go to what

665
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: they like. The people that are the ones going this

666
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: sucks that ain't country. They're out there, but they're the loudest,

667
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: and they're a very select minority group. They're aggressive to man.

668
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: They every once in a while when I want to

669
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: like get into it on Twitters, I shouldn't do this.

670
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: I'll like search Dan plus Sha not country, you know.

671
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: And and there's some like really vulgar stuff in there,

672
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: are like really aggressive. It's like, if you don't want

673
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: to listen to our music, just don't listen. Nobody's forcing

674
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: anyone to do anything with anything creative, period. It's it.

675
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: And at this point in my career, I've always been

676
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: hated because again by a vocal minority, because when I

677
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: was doing pop, I was too country. When I do country,

678
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm to pop. When I was doing alternative, I had

679
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: too much of a Southern accent. When I was doing sports,

680
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: I've never been a professional athlete. I just can't I've

681
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: never fit anywhere, but it's thickened my skin so much.

682
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: But it's also made me more like the people that

683
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: actually consume. And that's been what was to me the

684
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: hardest thing in the biggest obstacle was oh, I'm never fitting.

685
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: I actually fit exactly with the people that are consuming it.

686
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: They just don't scream. It's great. It's interesting you say that.

687
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: Do you ever like, are you impacted more by the

688
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: haters than like, there'll be I talked to Thomas read

689
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: about this all the time, and his dad always was like,

690
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: Thomas gets so bent out of shape about the people

691
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Thomas Rhett and he'll hit people back. I

692
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: see it on his He has so many followers on Instagram,

693
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: He's got millions and millions of people saying, Thomas, you're

694
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 1: the greatest artist I've ever heard. I like, have your

695
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: lyrics tattooed on myself. And then one guy comes on

696
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: there it's like, why are you wearing those jeans? You

697
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: look like whatever you know and your music is not country.

698
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: He'll reply to him and he'll hit him back and like,

699
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: but you just scroll past. I love your song. I

700
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: love your song. You guys are amazing the show is

701
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: amazing at night, and then there's one hater out there.

702
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: It's like nice haircuts or whatever, and it's like, Oh,

703
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that guy. I wanna get that guy,

704
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: you know. I was talking to Kip More about this,

705
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: and Kip More and I had the same management yep,

706
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: and we were sitting in a in a room, and

707
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: he was talking about at times he can be upset

708
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: by people not enjoying the show. He could say, there,

709
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: let's say people just rocking and it keeps intense and

710
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about loves his art that he keeps like, Man,

711
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: I have everybody gone, but the one person, not one

712
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: person I'll focus on, is the guy who's just looking

713
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: at the ground. And I'm like, how do I win

714
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: him over? And I can't win him over? And he says,

715
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: he what do you do? Said? Well? When I do

716
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: stand up? Well. I also like to read about really

717
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: good famous people. I'm a B minus comic. I'm funny

718
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: if you want to come to the show. But I'm

719
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: nothing like this. I'm nothing like the people that are

720
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: really good, like it's their profession. I'm a really good

721
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: radio host. I'm an okay comic, but Steve Martin is

722
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: one of my heroes, and before I was born in

723
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: the eighties, so I didn't really get to experience Steve

724
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: Martin as when he was new and it was groundbreaking.

725
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: But he would say, watch the top of their heads,

726
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: don't watch their faces, because everybody experiences joy differently, and

727
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: you're you're projecting how you experienced joy on them, and

728
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: if they're not experiencing joy how you experienced joy, you think, oh,

729
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: they're not enjoying it. So we had that conversation and

730
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: then we talked about why we get effected so much

731
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: by when someone say something bad about us. And I

732
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: tried to go, you know what, I'm better than that,

733
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: and I don't let it get to me. But I

734
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: keep myself the same. He's gonna keep sweet, smart refrigerator.

735
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't go to Facebook. Yeah, the show Facebook, because

736
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: it's people that a lot of people that are just angry.

737
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: But I can't. It drives me so crazy. I just

738
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: know that's my weakness and it hurts my feelings, and

739
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a sensitive artist. It's tough, dude. We all are.

740
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: We are and honestly, we played a show with Kip More.

741
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: I hope Kip doesn't need this because he kill me.

742
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: You know, he wants to put off the tough guy.

743
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: He's a sensitively I he's like in touch with his

744
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: feelings and his emotions. I mean, you could hear it

745
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: in his music. Is an incredible songwriter. Play this thing

746
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: on the Pepsi golf coast, jam. I believe whoever hears

747
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: this is not gonna ever book us there again. But

748
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: it was it was an interesting show. It was like

749
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: I blame the fact that it was insanely hot. It

750
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: was like a hundred and ten degrees outside. It was

751
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: in Florida, and uh, Kip had just gotten off stage

752
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: and we were on the bus. He's like pounding on

753
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: our bus stories like boys, let me come up there

754
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: and hang out. And he's like he was so bummed

755
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: about there was like the crowd was we saw his show.

756
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: People were throwing beach balls around and like they were

757
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: for the most part, having a good time. But it

758
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: was hot, and it is late in the day. You know,

759
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 1: it's probably seven thirty or eight at night, and they

760
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: were like a couple of guys down in the front

761
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: row or in the pit who were probably drunk or hungover,

762
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: and they were giving him a hard time and he

763
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: was like, I've bad, dude, I'm done with this, Like

764
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm never playing out. We're like sorry. We we talked

765
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: about but he was emotional about it. And yeah, he's

766
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: a passionate guy. That's awesome though his his true fans

767
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: like can feel that he believes for his art, and

768
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: it's like, that's why he died hard. He has die

769
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: hard fans and he's die hard. And I kept and

770
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: I got into a huge blow up one time because

771
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: I go, well, I'm commentating on what's happening, good or bad.

772
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: I've a one point made friends and enemies at the

773
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: same time of every single art. It's just about because

774
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: where I've said I've really enjoyed them, I've also said

775
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: things I don't like about them, just because if I

776
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: say enough things, eventually they're all not going to be great.

777
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: Of course, so and I can't worry about that. And

778
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: at times it makes an awkward in town. But then

779
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: again it comes back around and we're cool, and then

780
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: we're not cool again. But we kept. One time I said, Kip,

781
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: you gotta relax on the cell phones. This is me

782
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: talking over the year. Stop yelling at people. With their

783
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: cell phones. Everybody uses their phone ones now, yes, But

784
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: he got so pissed at me and we ended up

785
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: three months later after we just wouldn't refuse to talk

786
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: to each other, going to breakfast right after for like

787
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: three hours, we just talked it out and there was

788
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: an understanding that we're both super sensitive in different ways,

789
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: and we're not on the same exact wavelength, but we're

790
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: absolutely on the same highway. And since then it's been fantastic.

791
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: He is, he'll shoot you straight, and I'll still make

792
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: fun of him if I need to. He sent me

793
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: a video I went to Hawaii. I don't know how

794
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: to you know, and I told you this, I don't

795
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: know how to serve. I don't know how to do

796
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: any of the water stuff. You never grew up around

797
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: wavy water. I only grew up around lake water. So

798
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: I can have a post to be a paddle stand

799
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: up paddle boarding. And you take that strap and you

800
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: put it on your ankle, but I put it on

801
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: my wrist because I'm an idiot. I thought you was

802
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: put on your wrist, And so I talked about the

803
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: story I actually talked about with you guys when you

804
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: came on the show and kept heard that segment, and

805
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: he sends me a video of just him over and

806
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: over strapping. I think to his leg that's all the

807
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: video was, with him strapping himself to a board. Over

808
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: keeps a passionate dude, and I like kid. Yeah, I

809
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: like him too. He's a good guy. Okay, let's get

810
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: back to this Wow Warby Parkers back on. Look at that.

811
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: I have so many pair of Worry Parker glasses. I'm

812
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: gonna just do the spot in real Q. Oh, dude,

813
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: you can go in. I don't even know what the

814
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: spot says, because I've looked at it. The Warby Parker

815
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: store is like a candy store. They have so many

816
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: days like over there, and they don't have um brick

817
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: and mortar stores everywhere they do in Austin to do

818
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: in Nashville, and which, by the way, I live right

819
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: near that PF Change where it schools out and awesome. Yeah,

820
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: I live right there by that PF Change. So um,

821
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: war Parker has all these glasses for like a hundred

822
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: bucks and it's like a shopping spree. Okay, there's a

823
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: free home trial program for Warby Parker. I haven't haven't

824
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: pre read this, so I'm just gonna read it, but

825
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: I think I know most of this. Guy bought them

826
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: so many times. Order five pair of glasses and try

827
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: them on for five days. There's no obligation to vibe.

828
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: It's ships for free and it includes a prepaid return

829
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: shiping level. Basically, what happens is they send you these

830
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: five pair of glasses and you you can try them

831
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: all on and see which frames you like and the

832
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: ones you don't you can send them back. Go to

833
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: Warby Parker dot com slash Bobby to order your free

834
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: home tryons today. Glasses started ninety bucks, including prescription lenses.

835
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: Lenses include anti glare and anti scratch coatings. For every

836
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: pair you buy, two Apparents distribute to somebody in need.

837
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: So there's also a Warry Parker iTunes app. The try

838
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: a home kit thing really is fantastic though, because it

839
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: comes right to your house and you put them on,

840
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: and the ones you don't like, you go aoh, these

841
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: don't put my face. You just send them back. And

842
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: so there is there any part of this that I

843
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: don't know about yet, because all that I just know

844
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: from my heart. Uh, if you have an iPhone X,

845
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: you can download the work Parker app and use their

846
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848
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849
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852
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853
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854
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855
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Speaker 1: at this equipment, this equipment that I just bought. It

856
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: might put it together. This is not even a real studio,

857
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858
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Speaker 1: So here we are and by the way, I'm trying

859
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860
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861
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,200
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862
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: We're hanging I like it. Thanks for having me. Man

863
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: Um story is so ridiculous over the place. I didn't

864
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: know some of this, and a lot of times I

865
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: know everything. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep giving lessons to

866
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: all the struggling artists out there were trying to get by.

867
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: So we had like Microsoft paint on our computers or

868
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Speaker 1: like some some iteration of it, and we would make

869
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: we're scammers. We made like fake coupons, or we would

870
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Speaker 1: find a keep on that it was expired and we

871
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: would change the date, and then we would go to

872
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: CC's Pizza. You know, CC's amazing. So CC's like to

873
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: Buffets four ninety nine, which is out of our price range.

874
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: So what we did is we made it like by

875
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: one game one three secs, because when you're in like

876
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: the two fifty range, it's like it's okay. Not only

877
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: did we do that, we would go with the CC's

878
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: by our house would close at nine pm. We'd go

879
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: at eight forty, and we would order two pizzas like

880
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: customer we back of mac and cheese and Buffalo Chicken

881
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: or something like that, pizzas right off the front, and

882
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: they'd be like cool and they'd make them up and

883
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: then we'd be sitting in there and then they'd be like, gentlemen,

884
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: we're about to close the store. And we'd be like,

885
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: what are all those pizzas up on the thing. Are

886
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: you guys throwing those away? And they'd be like, yeah,

887
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: we have to take him to the dumpster. And we're like,

888
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: if we meet you out back, could we take the

889
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: leftover pizzas? And I mean the people working in SEC's

890
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: were like sure, we don't care. Sure enough. We'd walk

891
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: around the back of the place with the two custom

892
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: pieces that we had just had made, and then we

893
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: would get the like the pizzas they were throwing away,

894
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: and we would literally eat off this pizza for like

895
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: six weeks at a time, and as it became not

896
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: really edible anymore, we would put it on the grill

897
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: out back. It was dark times. So what did your

898
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: parents do? My dad's a chemical engineer, he is. He's

899
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: retired now. He coaches middle school soccer now really yeah? Yeah?

900
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: So was he a soccer player? He was? He played

901
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: in college? And were you an athlete? You're built like

902
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: an athlete? Yeah, you don't mind me noticing you're built

903
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: like a man. Yeah, maybe that speedo I warre in

904
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: here is a bad choice. Uh yeah, So I played

905
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: football for a year in college. I went that's like

906
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: the weird thing about what I'm doing because I graduated

907
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: from college from a great school. I graduated from Carnegie

908
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: Mellon in Pittsburgh, which is I'm playing that theater, Carnegie Theater. Yeah, yeah,

909
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: that's amazing, it's beautiful. That's not Colby kel A play

910
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: there one time and Jimmy World in the Pop Pung days.

911
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: It was killer. I love Colby kel A so good.

912
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: She came through. We went to lunch one time. I

913
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: don't think it was a date. It could have been.

914
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: It could have been a date, though, but she played

915
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: and Amy would know the real story because she's it

916
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it's that's for a different day. Yeah, I

917
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: need to hear this story that Yeah, I need I

918
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: need to make sure it's right. Though, before I say

919
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: I need to, I need to, you know, it's been

920
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: so long. You want to talk to the people that

921
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: were also experiencing it with you to make sure it

922
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: didn't turn into some fantasy in my head. Yeah, so

923
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: all these stories are now that we're talking, all these

924
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: like crazy stories I have when I'm of here coming back,

925
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: I had another good one on deck here in a

926
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: few minutes. Whenever you played for one high school, what

927
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: would you plays to play? I played running back, so

928
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: I actually was touring through high school. So I and

929
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: then I played all growing up, and then like the

930
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: band The Transition Man started sort of happening a little bit.

931
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: We were touring on weekends, and then my parents like

932
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: they hated me. We had kind of a weird falling

933
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: out when I was in high school because they were like,

934
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: you're so good at sports, you should play sports, and

935
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: I was like, screw you, mom and dad. I'm playing music.

936
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: Like I want to like drop out of high school

937
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: and go on the Warp Tour, which I wasn't even

938
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: invited on the Warp Tour. We would show up and

939
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: we would build the stages. There was like the Kevin

940
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: Says Stage. Kevin Lyman, who ran the Warp Tour, had

941
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: this thing called Kevin Says Stage, and it would just

942
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: be new and upcoming artists get up at six in

943
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: the morning every day, you know, lee putting like trusts

944
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: and pipes and all that stuff together and build the

945
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: stage and like two of the acts would get to play.

946
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: So there would be days we'd build the whole stage

947
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: right to stage down and not even get to play.

948
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: We were well, it's like an open micare in Nashville

949
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: show up. But maybe you get on maybe, but you

950
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: had to drive the van from city to city. So

951
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: I bet a lot of people did that. You know,

952
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: you're all so young at the time, and I was like,

953
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: this is awesome. Yes, that's how I feel. When I

954
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: was radio, going to school full time, taking twenty hours

955
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: broke as a joke. It was, I think, the happiest

956
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: time in my life, much happier than now because I've

957
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: now put all these problems into my head that really

958
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: don't don't matter. Money is like absolutely unfortunately, it's the

959
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: reality of what we do. I mean, I wish I

960
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: could just like write a million songs and just chill,

961
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: but like we have to go out and play shows

962
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: and you know, travel through the night or take red

963
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: eye fights to play shows, like because we have bills

964
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: to pay and we have to pay our band and

965
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: we have you know what I mean. There's not even

966
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: hard compared to what normal people like my step dad

967
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: worked at the sawmill. Yeah, every day, hated it. That

968
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: was hard work. Absolutely, what we do is not hard work. No,

969
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: it's not. It's we spent a lot of time creatively

970
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: competing against other people. It's exhausting, sometimes we can still

971
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: be mentally exhausted and physically without sleep. Sure, But when

972
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: I was grinding it and actually doing the work, when

973
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: I was getting paid, I was so happy because I

974
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: didn't know any better, and money wasn't a problem because

975
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: I never had there was an option of any Yeah,

976
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: there was no option of money. So I just enjoyed

977
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: the art. I agree with you, that's that's that's so true.

978
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, we were we were grinding, we had nothing,

979
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: we were not getting paid. We're doing these shows, and

980
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: like we would have a CD or a demo, we'd

981
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: be selling them to the line. You know, I had

982
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: the whole pitch down. I had like a little headphone

983
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: set and it's like you guys like fall Out Boy

984
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, we like like hard stuff like

985
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: No Effects or something. We'd like, you're gonna love our stuff,

986
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: And it was otherwise, you know, we'd be like like

987
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: no Effects are like no, we like pop music like

988
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: fault Boy would be like, you're gonna love O Perfect

989
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: just to you. And we would like sell CDs for

990
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 1: five bucks to get to the next city, and that's

991
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: just what people buy them. They would, yeah, they would.

992
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean people were generous. I don't know if that

993
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: still is a thing, but I'm in that hustle. Like

994
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: all the guys in our band and our tour and

995
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: crew came from that world, so we all kind of

996
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: have that mentality. And I you know, we have an

997
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: amazing team around us. Now, we've got amazing connections at

998
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: country radio, and we have amazing fans. But I try

999
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: to still keep that mentality with what I do. You know,

1000
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: here in Nashville, it's like people like, why are you

1001
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: doing so many things? Are writing all these songs or

1002
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: applying to fans on social media and stuff. But it's

1003
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: just what I what I'm used to, what I came

1004
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: up on, and it's I mean, now we've got more

1005
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: of a platform, there are more fans that will come

1006
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: to the shows, you know, without me begging them to

1007
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: come to the shows. But I try to keep that

1008
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: same mentality. If I work as hard as I did

1009
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: when I was building stages at Warp Tour, We're gonna

1010
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of success. You know. You know that

1011
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: there's a parallel that I see between we're talking about kit,

1012
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: between Kip and you and Shay, and that you have

1013
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: very passionate fans and you guys grind the road hard, hard,

1014
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: harder than people give you credit for. But you know what,

1015
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: you're not looking for credit. So it's a weird thing

1016
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: to say that people don't give you credit for it

1017
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: because're not looking for the credit. But you guys just

1018
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: from knowing what it's like to tour, because I do

1019
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: a little myself and seeing you guys all out, you're

1020
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: on the road a lot more than the normal country act. Yeah,

1021
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: we are, we are. We did I think a hundred

1022
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: and seventy three shows last year, which and just to

1023
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: compare most people to do weekends, yeah, most like the

1024
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: bigger acts will do eighty five shows a year. Then

1025
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: that's a big touring here. But and we try to

1026
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm you know, we're with CIA, our agency. And when

1027
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: we met for the first time, I was like, I

1028
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: come from the you know, the world of warp tour

1029
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: where you're playing five six nights a week. Like now,

1030
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: I like the country thing. I like doing three nights

1031
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: and then coming back to Nashville and resetting the years.

1032
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: But we were like, let's just tour like a rock band.

1033
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: Let's go out and do we don't need to just

1034
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: play Friday and Saturday night. We can play a Tuesday

1035
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: night or Wednesday night if you're playing clubs or House

1036
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: of Blues or whatever. It is, like we were grinding

1037
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: playing every night. We're still doing that. I mean, we

1038
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: would go even when we're on tour. We're on tour

1039
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: with the Flats this summer, but we're booking our own

1040
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: headlining dates in between because our fans are passionate man

1041
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: and they they want to see the full set, and

1042
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, there's opportunity obviously business wise to go do

1043
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: those shows. But it's good for us too to be

1044
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 1: in those cities playing for those fans, not just Okay,

1045
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna play the major cities you need to. I mean,

1046
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: that's the thing about country Their country music fans everywhere,

1047
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: So you're not just playing New York and Boston or

1048
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, big major cities. You're playing all over the place.

1049
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: And sometimes those shows are even crazier because the fans,

1050
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of nowhere, like no one

1051
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: ever comes here. This is as I enjoy going to

1052
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: places where they're not huge circles on the map with

1053
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: a big city because people are so much more appreciative

1054
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: and I may not sell many tickets exactly. But that

1055
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: the great thing about what I do so in the radio.

1056
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: Most radio people don't do things outside of the radio show, right,

1057
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: I do, And I think one of the greatest things

1058
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: I get from it is getting to have a dose

1059
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: of reality and actually seeing a meeting people because I

1060
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: do it every unless I'm sick. I've only ever not

1061
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: done it two or three shows ever, unless I'm sick

1062
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: or something as went wrong, I always go and that

1063
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: the theaters get mad at me for doing it, but

1064
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: I go and talk to people, meet people because that

1065
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: is important to me to to stay grounded. I can

1066
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: be in a room absolutely and just talk to my

1067
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: friends and it goes over the air waves, but I

1068
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: will lose what's really happening in the world. Yeah. Me

1069
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: being able to go out and see people as much

1070
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: as I do resets me back to normalcy. Yeah. I

1071
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: like that. It gives me out of the bus and

1072
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: for you guys to you get out of Nashville. You

1073
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: see what's really happening, not what's in this stupid bubble

1074
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: of well, what's the coolest thing that's happening right right?

1075
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: It is a bubble, And I mean where I grew

1076
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 1: up with a bubble too. It wasn't until I moved

1077
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: out and started touring it was like I thought everything

1078
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: was perfect. It was awesome. But it's not always like that.

1079
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: And you see the way like certain people live, and

1080
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: that's why we try to when we're on stage, even

1081
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: if there's like technical difficulties, if the venue sucks or whatever,

1082
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: it is like give a hundred and ten percent because

1083
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: even like if there's five people there, those five people

1084
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: don't care that there's not six people there. That was

1085
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: a hard thing for me to do. Absolutely right, you

1086
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: have to give your all of those people because like

1087
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: and and it it's even more impactful than when you

1088
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: play for twenty people in an arena because those people

1089
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: they feel special. And like I remember being a kid

1090
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: going to shows and if an artist got up there

1091
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: and phoned it in because the show wasn't sold out,

1092
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, I don't know if I

1093
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: love that artist, But if we go out there and play,

1094
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: like you know, in front of five people, like we're

1095
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: playing in front of a big festival crowd, it's it's

1096
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: gonna go along. We've always had that mentality, so it's

1097
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: that took me a while and I somebody wrote a book,

1098
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: Charlie Daniel over the books said, uh, don't look at

1099
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: the And that's something over the past couple of years

1100
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: that I really appreciated is putting forth the effort when

1101
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: it when it feels like you should be down, like,

1102
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: oh man, this didn't sell out. But again, nobody knows.

1103
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: I want to watch Adam Crowla. Here's an example, Mike

1104
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: did I want to watch Amla? And yeah, back and

1105
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: the places are half full, and I was and I

1106
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: was looking around like, wow, why is that full? I

1107
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: kind of feel but nobody there was looking behind them

1108
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: and anything old seat and it again. Going to shows.

1109
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: We set me on how to do shows, absolutely absolutely,

1110
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: because you also, you know, on the other on the

1111
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: flip side of that, you'll go to shows and see

1112
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 1: artists who do notice those empty seats and are complaining.

1113
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: You could tell they're just cutting the set short and

1114
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: doing whatever, and you're like, that's the guy. I don't

1115
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: want to be so And I was early that guy,

1116
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: but now I'm exact opposite. And I appreciate it because

1117
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: and I went to John Mayor show in Minneapolis and

1118
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 1: I went through the meet and greet line not as

1119
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: later later I went hung out. I was cool later,

1120
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: but he was at the beginning. I wanted to go

1121
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: through a meet and greet line to see what it's

1122
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: like to go through a meet and greet line because

1123
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: where I am now, I get a lot of things

1124
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: because in my position, people say, hey, don't worry about it.

1125
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: And I've known John Mayor for a bit. We've probably

1126
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: a ten instance this together, so I don't know him

1127
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: know him, but professionally we know each other, and now

1128
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: we actually follow each other on social media and stuff,

1129
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: so maybe we'd recognize. He'd recognize me, I'd recognize him.

1130
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: I'll be like, what so. But I to the meet

1131
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: and greet line and it was forty five minutes or

1132
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: so when I sat and I just talked to people,

1133
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: and it just gave me a new respect for even

1134
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: people that come to the meeting. Totally. It was just

1135
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: it was it's really good for me to do stuff

1136
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: like that. It blows my mind. We were just in Europe,

1137
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: or in Europe in December, and it's like we came

1138
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: in a long way. We're like really far from where

1139
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: she grew up in Arkansas, where I got in Mensylvania,

1140
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: where we live now in Nashville, we're an ocean away

1141
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: and there are people who like canceled their plans, book flights,

1142
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: whatever it is to come see us play. That it

1143
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: kind of blows my mind. It doesn't make me feel

1144
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: a little guilty. It does to me, it does. I

1145
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: feel like when they come to see me, I wouldn't

1146
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: go see me. I wouldn't go see me either, And

1147
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to people that do. But I almost

1148
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: want to apologize before the show and say, oh, you

1149
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: just spent maybe you know, the thirty bucks, and I

1150
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: hope I do good. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I feel like

1151
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: we have We're so lucky. Our fans are probably all

1152
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: listening right now. But we've got fans. Our friend Kayla,

1153
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: she's like our biggest fans. She's so good to us,

1154
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: so loyal. We at the halftime show this Steelers game

1155
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: the other day and she her and her friend like

1156
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: took a flight or drove and came all the way

1157
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: to the game to see us play two and have

1158
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: songs like die Hard. But last night her and a

1159
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: bunch of other fans of ours started gifting, like people

1160
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: not just buying our song on iTunes. They were like

1161
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: the guys are in the top ten on all genres.

1162
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: We should see if we can get them to number one. Literally,

1163
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: we're just with their credit card and the thing gifting

1164
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: our song to like anybody who d m them on Twitter,

1165
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: probably spending a hundred dollars, like gifting the same song

1166
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: over and over and that's amazing. And I felt I

1167
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: had a message. I was like, look so nice to you.

1168
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: You can stop, Like I want to go to number

1169
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: one too, but like you're just like too kind and

1170
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: I feel guilty. That's yeah, you feel like I do. Anyway.

1171
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: I feel like, man, I'm just not worthy of this.

1172
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: I feel the same, and I hope I never don't

1173
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: feel that way, if that makes sense, because I don't

1174
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: ever want to take it for granted. Neither do I.

1175
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: That's a good thing about being in a duo if

1176
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: we ever one of us ever is like starting to

1177
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: get a little bit taking it for granted. It's like

1178
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: you need to shape up, like get you know, punch

1179
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: the other guy any arm. So when you get has

1180
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: finally decided on Dan and Shay the name the name,

1181
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: like we're really just gonna it probably had to be like, well,

1182
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: we couldn't come up with the name. So we're just

1183
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: gonna be Yeah. What was that conversation And who was

1184
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: the one that said, okay, we think it just should

1185
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: be Dan and Jay? Was it Espo? I don't remember

1186
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: exactly how it happened, but we are managers. We we

1187
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: work with Scooter braun Um you know which. By the way,

1188
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: it is funny because I was a Scooter two weeks

1189
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: ago and Scooter goes hold on and facetimes you. He's

1190
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: the king of FaceTime. While I'm sitting with Scooter in

1191
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. I don't know where you guys were. You

1192
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: were driving, you were driving though we were on the bus.

1193
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: I think you're doing or was I at home? I

1194
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: don't know, well whatever, I remember it. So Scooter is

1195
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: part of the Hey, we're gonna name you guys, Dan

1196
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: and Shay. Yeah, he was part of that. He was like,

1197
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: you guys are like recognizable by your names because we

1198
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: met with Scooter. We'd flown out. We've had like insane

1199
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: experiences at Scooter's place. Like Scooter, by the way, it's

1200
00:51:54,239 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: justin Bieber Kanye Carly class manager, like yeah, Sana ground

1201
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: name very body and we would like go out and

1202
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: jam with Justin Bieber and Selena. We'd be playing guitar

1203
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: and singing and doing all the stuff and like crazy

1204
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: like these nights that you see and you know at

1205
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: HBO series, like crazy stuff. And uh, he was always

1206
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: just like everybody knows you guys is Dan and Shay.

1207
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: It's cool, like for the branding and instead of having

1208
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: some band name that you have to reinvent some new moniker,

1209
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: It's like, why not just go buy your names then

1210
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: people will know you guys and do whatever. We're like,

1211
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: we don't have any other ideas, Sure, let's go with it.

1212
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: And then I got with my buddy Pete Tracy. Pete

1213
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: Tracy also moved to Nashville with me when I moved here.

1214
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: He's from Pittsburgh and like he was on the Dark Time,

1215
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: the Dark training with us for a long time. But

1216
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: he's he's crushing it now. He's he did Did you

1217
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: see Jillian's new video Jillian Jacqueline? I did, Yeah for reasons,

1218
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah amazing, Yeah, just three months she opened for She's fantastic.

1219
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: I put her in my class of saw and took

1220
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: her out for three months. She opened for it, and

1221
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: Brandon is open it for me. Then I just like

1222
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: I just love the new artists man fascinate. You're such

1223
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: a big part of their careers though and breaking them.

1224
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: I mean, they get to a certain level, I mean

1225
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: because of the exposure that you give them. So I'll

1226
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: play Stoked on Jillian whenever you did that, because I've

1227
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: known Jillian since Andy and I moved. We talked about

1228
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: this at the Hall of Fame, because you guys came

1229
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: up to my radio Hall of Fame and you did,

1230
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: didn't We were both there, just checked out. Yeah he was.

1231
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: He was physically there. Okay, he was rocking. So you

1232
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: and I were talking at a bar in Chicago, and

1233
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: it was if I'm stepping out of turn, tell me,

1234
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: but you took Devon and Jillian both to the label.

1235
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's Warner Brothers. You took them, like, yeah,

1236
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: I played, Uh, I played Devon's music for our buddy

1237
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: who's now he's not at Warner Brothers anymore. And like

1238
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: Devin thought Warner Brothers, but our buddy who was had

1239
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: a promo over there and played it for him and

1240
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of people on the label. And you know,

1241
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: I have a great relationship with Jonathan and Talent because

1242
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: I'm trying they're because they're both fantastic, But are you

1243
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: close to that? Are you're closer to Devon though than

1244
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: you and another artist? Like? What's that? Was friend Stevin

1245
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: saying the first dance at my wedding. He's great, Like

1246
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: I believe in Devin so much. That's another talk about

1247
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: a guy who's passionate about his art. Yeah, his records

1248
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: coming out this week, So I mean, he is just

1249
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: he's an amazing songwriter. We met first, we were just

1250
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: we were writing songs together, and um, I was just like,

1251
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: this guy's prolific, Like his words are insane. His voice,

1252
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: his voice to me. When I first heard him, he

1253
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: was playing at the basement, not the basement East, but

1254
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: the regular the small basement, you know, like basement in

1255
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 1: your house. Yeah, the basement. I don't even have a basement,

1256
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: but he was playing at the basement and we had

1257
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: written that day, and I told my wife Abbey. I

1258
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: was like, you know, she's a huge music fan. Two,

1259
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: she's like R, A and R. You know, she knows

1260
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: all all the good artists before I do and picks

1261
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: our singles and the whole deal. But I was like,

1262
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: you gotta go see this guy wrote with today like

1263
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: he's insane. We saw him at the basement. I was like,

1264
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: this guy's a star, incredible. I mean his voice has

1265
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: like a soulful I mean it's like a Gavin de

1266
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: Girl kind of sound in his voice. He's got like

1267
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: a graspy kind of thing. I don't know. I just

1268
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: think that guy. And he's got his old branding and

1269
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: the monochromatic vibe. And we told he's spent on people. Mike, Yeah,

1270
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: when he was in that scene. She was like, well

1271
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: we just spent on people. Yeah. I loved Evan. He's

1272
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: he's absolutely incredible. Um, we share a love of tequila.

1273
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: He brings nice tequilo bottles over my house and we

1274
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: enjoy him. But Jillian is one of my, you know,

1275
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: oldest friends here in Nashville. We've been writing songs together

1276
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: since that she'd been that bad house that I was

1277
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: living in, so I asked her about that place. But

1278
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 1: she's awesome, man, and she's she's so cool. She's amazing.

1279
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: She's an amazing songwriter, amazing singer, she's beautiful, has a

1280
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: great attitude. She's been in this town. I'd like to

1281
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: find that happens, like the people who have the most success,

1282
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,479
Speaker 1: have been here like cutting their teeth for a long time,

1283
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: like everybody thinks. People people think whenever you announced her

1284
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: into that class that she was like, oh this girl

1285
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: just like god, it made like Bobby's gonna blow her up.

1286
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: Whatever she'd been here for she'd been here longer than me.

1287
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: So she's been here for probably ten at least ten years,

1288
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: and she's a new artist at the same time, exactly right.

1289
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: I mean, we really for new artists that these award shows.

1290
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I've been had this thing, but I'll

1291
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: take it. It takes forever to be an overnight success.

1292
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: It does. So okay, So you're dan Plush and that

1293
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: had to be a thing at first because I bet

1294
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: everyone's calling you dan Plush. Oh my stay still do

1295
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: this is dan Plush with their first single nineteen you

1296
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: plus me. It's like, but you know what, to be fair, yeah,

1297
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: it is a plus sign. It is it is. And

1298
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: we had this like I always am like thinking too

1299
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: many steps in advance. I probably should enjoy the moment

1300
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: a little more. But Pat and I P Tracy has

1301
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: been referring to him like we had this whole vision

1302
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: for the brand and you know, we could see like

1303
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift does the heart things at our shows with

1304
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: their hands. I was like, I want to make our fans,

1305
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: you know if we ever have We didn't have any

1306
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: fans at this point. It's like, what if they like

1307
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: put their hands up and made It's gonna be hard

1308
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: for them to make an ampersand with their hands, so like,

1309
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: let's use uh so they're gonna plus signs of their fingers.

1310
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: They Yeah, we don't really do it as much anymore.

1311
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: Our shows like so full throttle And you know, did

1312
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: you used to do that at the plus time every show?

1313
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: If you dig back on our Instagram, I should probably

1314
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: bring that back. It's kind of a cool thing, like

1315
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, I take a picture of the crowd, which

1316
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: I stole that from Ed shere and he would take

1317
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: pictures of the crowd every single night, you know, like

1318
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: even from when he was playing clubs and it's cool

1319
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: to watch his progress now he's doing five nights at

1320
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: Wembley Stadium, but he would always take a picture of

1321
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: the crowd. So we would do that and then we

1322
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: would try to do the plus sime thing and we'd

1323
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: be like, put your hands up and you'd have to

1324
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: explain it. At first, kids are like, why am I doing? Okay,

1325
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: I see it now, but we would make them put

1326
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: the plus sign up with their fingers and it's a

1327
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: cool thing. And nobody does that that that exact thing.

1328
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anyone do the plus sign thing, so

1329
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anybody. You should bring it back. I

1330
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: might bring it back. It's hard. It's hard to have

1331
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: a thing nowadays because everybody's got a thing totally. So

1332
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: it's hard to have a thing when everybody's got a thing. Yep,

1333
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: that's the thing. If you don't somebody it did, Like

1334
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: at first, it confused a lot of people and are

1335
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: like some folks at our record label like we should

1336
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: just change it to the end like this. I'm like,

1337
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: people will eventually get it. And if they're talking about

1338
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: us and they're playing our song, so what, it's fine.

1339
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: It's fine. You know, it's just one more thing to

1340
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: talk about. So yeah, we we had to grind away

1341
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: for a few years with the bus sign thing, but

1342
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: there are still a few people Dan blush, you know,

1343
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, we're done here. You bring up

1344
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: Abby your wife, So let's tell me about my story.

1345
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: Is wrong again. You can just always say, hey, stop talking.

1346
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: So she was working at your label, she was, and

1347
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: you were dating, So she stopped working at the label

1348
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: because she couldn't date you while working at the label.

1349
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: Is that true? Kind of Yeah, she was. She was

1350
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: working at the label. She was a regional, a promo

1351
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: rep of ours, which is like the toughest job in

1352
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: the entire world. I mean not the world, but it's

1353
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: a tough job. Yeah, I'm a dramatic guy, but in

1354
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: the music industry, I think that is the most difficult job.

1355
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: They as much as we tour, they're working five or

1356
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: six artists simultaneously, and they're out knocking on radio stations

1357
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: doors at six am saying, hey, are Danna shaty record

1358
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: is looking a little weak that you know right now?

1359
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: Like we need to get some spins. And it's just

1360
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: it's like a sales job. It's so tough. And then

1361
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: when a new artist like us comes out, they go

1362
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: on a radio tour and that's like so grueling. We'd

1363
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: be doing four stations a day and then you're going

1364
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: out to dinner and you're hanging with program directors and

1365
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: it all pays off in the end. It's great. You

1366
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: need to make those relationships, and country radio is very

1367
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, close knit, and it's a relationshipship for sure.

1368
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: We've had great luck, you know, people have been so

1369
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: kind to us, but it's we guys are nice though. Yeah,

1370
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: there's nothing super pretentious about YouTube. When you show up

1371
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: in a room and you have Shay who's just like

1372
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 1: you know, he's a good one. Shay is my Amy, yep,

1373
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: because I am. When I'm not working, I got nothing

1374
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: to say same. I'm quiet. I prefer to be creative

1375
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: in my own head, writing on a computer right here,

1376
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: and I'm just not that outward. But I can take

1377
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: Amy and people will like me because Amy's awesome and

1378
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: she's so garious in the room. So but you guys

1379
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: are nice to be around. Thank you for saying that. Likewise,

1380
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: I never disliked you. I don't know you guys ever

1381
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: got mad at me when I was calling you the

1382
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: Savage Garden of country radio. I'll take that man again. People,

1383
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: somebody's talking about us. You've got a big audience, and

1384
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: people were talking, and you guys came in and saying

1385
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: Savage Garden and crushed it. And I thought that's when

1386
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: I was like Oh, these guys are better than other

1387
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: people because to be on a certain level, I mean,

1388
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: do you have a deal, you have to be so

1389
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: good really, because it's a talent of elite talent and

1390
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: the elite of the elite. It's a record deal. And

1391
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: then and then it is luck involved too, because there

1392
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: are a lot of talented people in this town. They

1393
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: don't have record deals. Yeah, but I think you can

1394
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: make decisions to change your luck. I'm not a big

1395
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: luck guy generally. I'm just not a big luck guy.

1396
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: But that being side, I knew you guys would have

1397
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: to be good to have a deal. But when you

1398
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: came in after, I would say, all these guys are

1399
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: like the Savage Guarden of of country radio, and you

1400
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: guys sang, I just remember going, oh, they're different, they're

1401
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: better than everybody, because you guys weren't around a lot

1402
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: because you were touring all the time too. But I

1403
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: remember thinking, all, they're better than everybody. They're way better

1404
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: than people, and they're not asking for credit, but they're

1405
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: way better than people give them credit for. You guys

1406
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: did boys the Men, which is how Scooter and I

1407
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: got to know each other. Do you know the story

1408
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: I don't know the story. Okay, if your boys to yes.

1409
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: So you guys came in and you know, I mean,

1410
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: I love all formats of music. I think formats are garbage.

1411
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: But honestly, and the people who say they don't, all

1412
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: the people out there who say I only listen to

1413
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: a certain things, they're in their truck or their car

1414
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: bumping every kind of music that anything that makes them

1415
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: feel something, they're they're listening to it. Even the most

1416
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: we won't I will not mention name, but even the

1417
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: most country of artists that I know, loves all kinds

1418
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: of music. The artists people yell about like that's real country,

1419
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: that's that person is probably listening to twenty one Avage

1420
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: right now, like I hate to brust bubble, but they

1421
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: got yeah yeah. And if you restrict yourself to a

1422
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: certain thing because of his genre lines and say I

1423
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: can only listen, or you deny yourself from liking a

1424
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: certain thing that you actually like, you're just cheating yourself.

1425
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: I was doing a YouTube and I'm doing a lot

1426
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: of projects with Scooter now on the television side, so

1427
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: um working on multiple ones. But the reason is because

1428
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: of you guys. Well, what happened was so he's he

1429
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 1: manages you guys, him and Jason Owen at sandbox in town.

1430
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: He you guys can amn and we were going back

1431
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: and forth and you guys were playing all these songs

1432
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: out a format and I'm like, oh, dud this one.

1433
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: And I was singing along doing this and he was like, wait,

1434
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: you're not the normal country guys, he said, So I

1435
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: started going down the rabbit hole of YouTube videos and

1436
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: saw that you do all kinds of music and you

1437
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: have a different look about you. And he was like,

1438
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: So I thought, I'm gonna keep that guy's name and

1439
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: when something comes up and then he calls, and then

1440
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,479
Speaker 1: that's how we started their business. It was I forgot

1441
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: about this. It was you freaking guys. He saw a

1442
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: YouTube video of us singing it together. Yeah, look at that.

1443
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: So let's fast forward cause I don't know how I've

1444
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: been talking. I could do five of these. How long

1445
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: we wait? Okay, let's go to right now. Oh you

1446
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: and Shay, you plus each other, you met, you had

1447
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: a baby. I don't know what happened. Yeah, we we

1448
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: got all the comments, Stan Bush, what is that equal?

1449
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: I want to tell you about what's happening right now?

1450
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: And again people will hear this who knows when, but

1451
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: they just put out Dan put out Tequila and what's

1452
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: playing over here? Mike hold on, I turned it off.

1453
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: I got it. I got it. So you put out

1454
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: this song Tequila, it's doing. It has cut through more

1455
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: than any other song I feel you guys have put

1456
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: out Initially, you guys have had some monster hits that

1457
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: have had slow grinds. Yeah, that it's taken people while

1458
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: to get to either radio. People are the fans, yea.

1459
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: This has been the biggest song for you guys from

1460
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: the initial pop. It's been incredible. I've yeah, I've not

1461
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: been shy about sharing the numbers or whatever on on

1462
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: the internet, but it is incredible. We worked so hard

1463
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: on these songs and making the tracks, and people, I

1464
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: think a lot of times don't appreciate what goes into

1465
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: a song, you know, even if somebody's out there criticizing

1466
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: a song and doing whatever, that song had to like

1467
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: start with somebody writing it right, maybe on an acoustic guitar,

1468
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, and then be demoed and somebody had a

1469
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: label how to be like, Yeah, I like that. We

1470
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: should go in the studio and pay for that to

1471
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: be recorded. We should cut that. Then it gets mixed

1472
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: and mastered, and then there's a lot of steps that

1473
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: a song goes through, uh, from when it's written to

1474
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: when somebody hears it. And to see this song doing

1475
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: so well, I start tracing those steps back and it's

1476
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: like I spent a lot of time working on that track,

1477
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, producing the you know, the drum loops or whatever,

1478
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: and editing vocals, and we do it all at my house,

1479
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: so it's like a lot of time went into that.

1480
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: And I was so nervous before we put it out

1481
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: because it starts with the piano and a vocal, which

1482
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, for the people out there you don't know,

1483
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: is like a little bit risky at country radio or

1484
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: radio in general, because it's like ballads are tougher to

1485
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: fit into a playlist because it's slowed down the base

1486
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: of your radio station. But we're just are in this

1487
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: place now where you know, luckily ballots have worked for

1488
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: Dan and Shay, we've had success on from the ground up.

1489
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: Was our biggest song previously, and that's and this one

1490
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: had probably the second biggest. From the from the beginning,

1491
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: we felt it this was a big one. It was

1492
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: big for us, Yeah, and uh, we've been It's it's

1493
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: funny because that this song is our biggest hit, changed

1494
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: our lives, changed our career. We've been on a whole

1495
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: other level since this song came out, but since Tequila

1496
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: came out. That's the stat comparison. So all get emails

1497
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: from s BO or you know whoever from the label

1498
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: and it says Tequila has sold in the first four

1499
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: days it was out, thirty two thousand downloads on iTunes

1500
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: versus fifteen thousand of from the ground up, so almost double.

1501
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: An additional stat is that the market in general on

1502
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: track sales is down. You're going up down, so you

1503
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: can hypothetically say it's almost double what it is. So

1504
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: it's if you do that in your head, it's like,

1505
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: this is so impactful and just to see how that's

1506
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: how far that song went for us is insane. And

1507
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: this one is, I mean, it's been number one on

1508
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: the country chart, which is incredible. But then there's some

1509
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: heavy hitters in the all genres chart. There's Bruno, Mars

1510
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: has Filthy out right Now are just timber Lake, and

1511
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: Bruno has Finesse imagine Dragons Thunder. All these songs are

1512
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: in the top ten on the radio at pop, which

1513
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: is an insanely big audience and tequila for some reason,

1514
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: it is like the little engine that could, and it's

1515
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: just camped out in the top five or top ten,

1516
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, the last couple of weeks, and it's I

1517
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's surreal to me to see that

1518
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: happen because it's still so early in the radio, you know,

1519
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: country radio climb. It's it's a long time for a

1520
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: new artist, but it is. And this song could cross

1521
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: over a bit. I don't know, you probably thought about that,

1522
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: never said it out loud, but this song could cross

1523
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: over a bit. Yeah, I think uh on this round,

1524
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: we you know, we did face a lot of the haters.

1525
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: I think that was kind of our evolution. When we

1526
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: first put out our you know, the Where It All

1527
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: Began album, we we didn't know what we're doing on

1528
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: that album. That was just demos that we were doing

1529
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: in my living room or whatever on logic Um and

1530
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: we were just kind of like two guys figuring it out.

1531
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: In the second record, we kind of were reactive a

1532
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: little bit of those people on Twitter at festivals saying like,

1533
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: you guys ruining country music with that Myrtle Beach song,

1534
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: the nineteen and Me song, you know that you guys

1535
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: are so we were like, we should do a little

1536
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: bit more of a country thing, and yeah, this is

1537
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,479
Speaker 1: the one that ruined country music, I guess, but totally

1538
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: use everybody's saying it every time I came on the right.

1539
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: You know this now and this is like down the

1540
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: middle of country, but at the time it was very

1541
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: left the center. Um, but all the artists that break through.

1542
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: Sam Hunt, whenever his stuff came out, was like so

1543
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: pushing boundaries, or even Kelsey or anybody who's doing their thing.

1544
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: But now you listen back to that and you like,

1545
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: that sounds like a normal country song, more traditional than

1546
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,959
Speaker 1: some stuff on the radio. And what you just talked

1547
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: about has been done a thousand times. But just my

1548
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: conversation with Garth about this specifically, and I talked Garth

1549
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: is the pioneer of that. He said they want to

1550
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: run him out of town because what he was doing

1551
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: was so different than everybody else that he was running

1552
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: country music. And not to compare Kelsey or you or

1553
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: Sam to Garth, because everybody's in their own space, but

1554
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: it's just the same story. Even from the biggest people

1555
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: where you think, oh, that's what country is like. He

1556
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: always was No. I sat with Garth and he said,

1557
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: they told me that this is not country music. Yeah,

1558
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: I should stop making it sure. I mean on this record,

1559
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: we were just we're just like, you know what, we love,

1560
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: what we love. We take all our influences. Obviously, we

1561
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: moved here because we want to write country songs. We

1562
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: love country music. But we were just like, we should

1563
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: just record what we know how to record and record

1564
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: great songs, no matter who writes them. Figured that on

1565
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: our last record. We you know, we came here as songwriters,

1566
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: but to have a successful artist career, you need to

1567
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: always record the best song, whether you write it or

1568
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: you don't. Adam Hambrick wrote, how not too. We heard

1569
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: that demo come in. That's a funny story too. But

1570
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: that song came in and we didn't write it, and

1571
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: we were like, you know what this is. You know,

1572
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,919
Speaker 1: this isn't even the rest time I heard it. He recorded,

1573
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: I think this sounds amazing, you got it. Look at that.

1574
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: Here's the work tape. I've never heard this hit though,

1575
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: you know. So if we took Adam out with us

1576
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: and he played with Raging Idiots for four months, and

1577
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: so he would play this song and every every I

1578
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: played had a little bit of you guys in a heart.

1579
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. But the thing is,

1580
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: you talk about artists writing for you, you also write

1581
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: for other artists. Yeah, we've had a little bit of

1582
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: luck with that. We're we're still always it's a little

1583
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: bit difficult now that we're doing our own projects, because

1584
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: you write, you know, I think I wrote like ninety

1585
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: four songs last year or something insane. Uh, But you

1586
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: always want to like keep the best songs for yourself,

1587
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: you know. Our artist career is obviously the most important thing.

1588
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: And then when somebody hears something like that tequila song.

1589
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: I wrote it with Nicole Galleon, who I think you've

1590
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: talked to her. We talked to days a matter of fact.

1591
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: She's brilliant. She's like one step ahead of everybody else

1592
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: right now. She's got female from Keith Urban out there.

1593
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: She's boy for Lee Bryce, which like some of the

1594
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: best most well written songs on country radio. Uh. And

1595
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: my friend Jordan Reynolds and uh, what was I talking

1596
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: about writing that song? Oh? Yeah, we we wrote that

1597
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:29,560
Speaker 1: song and it was one of the ones from the

1598
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: ground up was the same thing where we sat on

1599
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: the demo for a little while, sat on it for

1600
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: like a year before we recorded it, and it had

1601
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: circulated to other artists, you know, publishers and even to

1602
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: Tequilacula tequila. Yeah, and it's circulated. I would get text

1603
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: from artists and be like, dude, if you guys aren't

1604
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: cutting that song, I'm cutting that like I'm gonna put

1605
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: it on my record. And then you're like, should I

1606
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: get that song away? Because you never know what's gonna

1607
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: end up making. That song may never have made our record,

1608
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: you know, we may have beat it or written something else,

1609
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: like I should have gave that away, But you know,

1610
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: it always finds the right home somehow. I don't know,

1611
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: or the home that it has is just what you know.

1612
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: It's true because there could have been so listen. I'm

1613
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: just not I'm just not as a destiny guy. I'm

1614
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: but you make your own. I do enjoy tequila the song.

1615
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: I've never actually tasted tequila to drink, but I do

1616
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: enjoy to kick the vocals on is that I saw

1617
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: you post that. I didn't know that. Yeah, like the

1618
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: first time ever on the track. We just do all this. Yeah,

1619
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 1: that little Justin Bieber thing in the back. I should

1620
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 1: have pulled up my I saw Zach Rowl was on

1621
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 1: here like soloing out tracks. We'll do that next time.

1622
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: It's a kid. So I just took the tequila thing

1623
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: and it shifted it up to a sense and it's

1624
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: made that little crazy tequila song. And the thing is,

1625
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: you're such a pretty like this is you doing this stuff?

1626
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: People don't know that you're that. Shay is excellent. It's

1627
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: it's such a great team. Yeah, because for the most part,

1628
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: you're the brains that's putting these sounds together, and it's

1629
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: in a lab and Sha singing his freaking brains out

1630
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: on stage. But you're both are doing the other things too.

1631
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: For sure. He's literally the best singer I've ever heard.

1632
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: It's like insane. It's amazing to watch somebody who's never

1633
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: heard him singing person watch their reaction. Oh that's what

1634
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: happened to me. When you guys came in the front,

1635
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, they're the best. Yeah, game over. Ye,

1636
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: it's insane. I still get blown away by it. I'm

1637
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 1: like when I when he's in the studio, especially live

1638
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: is there's a lot of great live singers, but in

1639
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: the studio is like very vulnerable place. And I mean

1640
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: just the timing and the tone and like I look

1641
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: at you know, I'll pull up you know, a pitch

1642
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: thing and look at where he is. I mean, he's

1643
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: like spot on. It's it's a gift, it really is.

1644
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's and he can wake up in the

1645
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: morning and sing too. It's like, you know, coming on

1646
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: the radio show and sing Boys two Men, which is

1647
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: like that's a hard song to sing. Yeah, I didn't

1648
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: ask you guys to sing the last time because I

1649
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: was like, you know him saying, I was like, no,

1650
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: they need they let let's let's have a little time

1651
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: there in the middle. You guys have just crushed it

1652
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: so many times. So man, I'm happy for you guys.

1653
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:09,799
Speaker 1: Thank you. Man. You you've been there since the beginning.

1654
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: So it's been a kind of not really but kind

1655
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: of like I mean, I've been I didn't know what

1656
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: I was doing when you started. I wish I could

1657
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: have been the guy that was like, dnit shade the

1658
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: best ever? You should trust me. I don't even know

1659
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: I was talking about you know what I think now

1660
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: we've settled into our places after we were like kind

1661
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: of on the same timeline, and we've settled in and

1662
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: we just do us, you know, like you do in

1663
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: your thing. If there's a few haters out there, so

1664
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: what they don't have to listen, you do your thinking

1665
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: and we're making the music we want to make. And

1666
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: that's what we did on Tequilo. Like we could have

1667
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: went more country, could have went more pop, but we

1668
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: just did what we knew how to do. And we're like,

1669
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: you know what country music is just about great songs

1670
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 1: and great stories, and that's what we did. And yeah,

1671
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: it's maybe about it may be slower than some of

1672
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: the other stuff we've recorded. Stuff explained yourself, everybody. I

1673
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 1: feel like you've been built defensive because people have been saying, oh, yeah,

1674
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm just being honest. Screw it, don't be defense. We

1675
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,759
Speaker 1: just did. Don't explain it, that's right. Just it's awesome,

1676
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. That's it. Likewise, no, no, I did.

1677
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: It's true though. You're doing your thing definitely Bellerini's album title.

1678
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: But it's true. I mean, you're doing your thing and

1679
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: you have a huge following and it's massively successful because

1680
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: you're doing. I want to talk about me, but you

1681
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: gotta shake that explanation. I don't have to explain how

1682
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: many number ones you have as an artist, three okay,

1683
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: and how many of you written on two? So it's funny.

1684
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: The nineteen You and Me was one of our biggest songs,

1685
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: went to number eleven on the chart. That's all that

1686
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: song went, you know, Keith said to me. I went to, uh,

1687
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 1: it does matter. I was hanging with Keith. I started

1688
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: name droping too much, even I know myself. So I

1689
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: start I'm hanging with Keith everyone we're talking about songs

1690
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: and he's like, man, He's like, I don't know if

1691
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: it was stupid Boy or whatever. It was like, it

1692
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: wasn't the number one song, and it's what, I don't

1693
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: remember which one it was specifically, like our favorite song,

1694
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: you know, yes, And he was like, it wasn't the

1695
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: number one song, but it's the one that people I

1696
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: just want me to play the most. The fans don't know.

1697
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: They don't care. If they love a song and it

1698
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: hits them like it makes them feel something, they don't

1699
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: care where it ends up. We in this town, we care,

1700
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: and I everybody out there that I care. I want

1701
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: our songs are good at number one, obviously, do you

1702
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: want to eat? Yeah, when it is rewarding, I mean,

1703
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't get any higher than going number one. So

1704
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 1: that's that's a great place except number one for two weeks. Listen,

1705
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: there's place I'm gonna but the fans if it connects,

1706
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: like we've had stuff Diet thirty five on the chart

1707
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: that pop off at our shows. I talked to Thomas

1708
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: read about this. He here, I go to name drop vacation,

1709
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 1: vacation that to him get crushed him to the song

1710
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: didn't do that well at all. Yeah, and he's like,

1711
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: I play it live and people freak out. We were

1712
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: in the back of the bus and he he was

1713
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,560
Speaker 1: about to go to radio with that song, and he

1714
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: said there was like eleven guys that had hit him

1715
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 1: up and said I will never play this song. And

1716
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: he was like, you know what, it's so good at

1717
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: my show. If we can get any visibility on this song,

1718
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: it's going to be even better in the show. So

1719
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: screw it. And that was awesome. That was risky. That

1720
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: was a bold move of him, and it's I mean,

1721
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: we toured with him. It goes off at his show. Yeah,

1722
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,640
Speaker 1: he even played it in New Year's Eve and I

1723
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: texted him afterward. I was like, dude, it was great.

1724
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't care what stupid radio says. And I love

1725
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: radio and I hate radio, and I can be both. Now.

1726
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: Radio is in country music is the driving forest behind

1727
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: what we do. It's like, you want to have hits,

1728
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: but I mean it would be a lot tougher for

1729
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: Thomas start to put out vacation He do you not

1730
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: a die happy man? You know? So you know, and

1731
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: we'll end on this. What's frustrating for me is I

1732
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: wish there were a way because people aren't buying music

1733
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: as much, they're streaming it more. Not totally, but a

1734
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: large market share is is streaming music. I wish there

1735
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: was a legitimate way to see how many people are

1736
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: playing the song because we're not knowing people's algorithms. I've

1737
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: said this before Spotify, for example. I have friends that

1738
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 1: have thirteen million plays on a song and they can't

1739
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: sell fifty people at a bar. And then I have

1740
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: some friends that have three thousand and they can sell

1741
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: hard tickets. It's interesting, it's so weird. What's the metric?

1742
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: You know? How do you they don't tell us. They

1743
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 1: also Apple also doesn't reveal theirs. No one reveals theirs,

1744
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: but I wish to with some kind of real like

1745
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: this is how I would do it in a perfect world.

1746
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 1: First of all, there would be legislation, but there should

1747
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: be any way for songwriters. But in order to say

1748
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: a song played this much because it's used for data,

1749
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: it has to actually be played singularly for a certain

1750
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: amount of time. We don't know if a song is

1751
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: just on a playlist. If one song gets played on

1752
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: the place, everybody gets an account of a spin, nobody knows,

1753
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: and it probably doesn't, but we don't know. And I

1754
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: wish there was a way to quantify that, but since

1755
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: it's all private, they don't have to. I just wish

1756
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 1: there were away because it would make my life easier

1757
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 1: to go, oh, that's what people are really listening to,

1758
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 1: because music with Spotify with title that you can't look

1759
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: at those numbers because again they're artists. I've never even

1760
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: heard of that. And I have no problem with people

1761
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: gaming the system, buying YouTube views, buying. That's just part

1762
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 1: of the game, and I've been guilty of it too. Yeah,

1763
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: you can't fake having tickets and absolute metric. What I've

1764
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: ever used it for when I gained the system is

1765
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: two like to get guests. When I was starting off

1766
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: in Austin, right, I would do all this stuff to

1767
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: make the show look bigger because people didn't know the

1768
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: show would see the number. Oh they must be bigger

1769
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: the book. It was always for a later habits pressed too.

1770
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: We'll get a hit up for an interview. Is like

1771
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 1: this blog gets this many million views or whatever, and

1772
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: we're like, it seems like a great opportunity, let's do it.

1773
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,879
Speaker 1: And it's like, is that real? I don't know. Nothing

1774
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: is real. Yeah, And as long as you know nothing

1775
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 1: is really right now, we might have goggles on. So

1776
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: my point is I wish there was some sort of

1777
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 1: thing to look at where they're used to actually beat

1778
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 1: record sales. But even then people would buy it bulk

1779
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 1: records themselves. It was maybe even easier than for just

1780
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: a common common artists to do it. Nothing is real.

1781
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: The only thing it's real are people's faces that come

1782
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: to shows and buy tickets. That's the only real thing.

1783
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 1: Now is a great time to be a new artist, though,

1784
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: because there's so many platforms to get your music out there.

1785
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,560
Speaker 1: You and you can make music in your bedroom. You

1786
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: can blow the laptop. We made our first record on

1787
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: my laptop. You know you can with technology. I agree.

1788
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:07,879
Speaker 1: Here's where I disagree. Counterpoint, there's so many new artists

1789
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: because it makes your job harder. It makes radio, it

1790
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: makes even the artist job harder. But it makes the

1791
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: quality better because that many more people are competing. So

1792
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: as the consumer, it makes it better for us exactly

1793
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: because what we're getting is the best of the best

1794
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 1: of the best. It's really good. Yeah, I mean, there's

1795
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: some really good songs on country radio and they're all

1796
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: fighting for that same spot. It is hard to get

1797
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: a song up the chart and in the charges stupid,

1798
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: don't even me start about the charts. There's so many

1799
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: songs and they're all great because they're not all great.

1800
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: There's big turns at or if you look on YouTube,

1801
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: you look up so and so's cover of certain songs,

1802
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: like so many of these kids should all have record deals.

1803
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: They're all great because are you know most of them

1804
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: are great because I don't know, there's other people that

1805
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: are doing it. There's just like a lot I don't know.

1806
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: The access is there's so much access, and yeah, it's

1807
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: a little oversaturated when you're an artist and you're like, crap,

1808
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: he's really good too. But for the consumer, you're right.

1809
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: There is so much good stuff and it's it's the

1810
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,879
Speaker 1: access for it. You can listen anywhere Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon,

1811
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't even mention Amazon, like that's a

1812
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 1: huge infrastructure. Well, uh, tequila is out. While we're looking

1813
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 1: at time frame for a full record, I'm working on

1814
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: it tonight. I was working on them today. So we're

1815
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: in the process right now. We've recorded maybe like a

1816
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: quarter sometime this year the area. Yeah, we'll probably sprinkle

1817
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: out a few songs and in the meantime, but pumps

1818
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: when we when we hang up here, I'll play you

1819
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: a few things. Are we on the phone right now?

1820
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: I don't listen. I don't listen to songs. You just

1821
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 1: don't like songs. No, no, no, I don't listen to songs.

1822
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: Early I've come from my friends. The only people listen

1823
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: to you. And Keith Urban sent you a song once. Yeah,

1824
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: he brought you how to listen to I just what

1825
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: Keith sends you? This song come on literally blew up

1826
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 1: and it said Keith on it, And I was like,

1827
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: Keith who and you're like, you try to play it off,

1828
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: and it was Keith Urban sent a new song or

1829
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: a demo for some reason. He does, and mean every

1830
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 1: time he sends me new songs, like two or three weeks.

1831
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: He's the coolest guy. He is. When he was on

1832
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 1: your show and he was playing the mashup of all

1833
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: his hits, I was like, he just wins. He he is.

1834
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to gush about him too much, but

1835
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: he is. He's awesome and as a person even better

1836
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: as an artist, insane, just like elevates the game every

1837
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 1: single time, and anybody that works with goes, oh yeah,

1838
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: I used to think somebody was good and took Keith

1839
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 1: gut in. It's kind of like humiliating sometimes, you know.

1840
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: So I don't listen to music because here's why I

1841
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: hate having to do the oh yeah, oh I'm yeah.

1842
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: And if I do listen to music, I do it

1843
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: and it's so rade. I wouldn't even listen to Stapleton's

1844
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: record he sent it to me early said, Chris, I'm

1845
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: not gonna listen to it because I want to experience

1846
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: it with my people. I like that. So, yeah, I

1847
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 1: probably listen to the kids if it was a single

1848
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: over a text. But you and I, as I'm thinking

1849
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: about listening to music. We had an early bond over

1850
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: Walker Hayes too. Yes, because when I first heard I

1851
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: was like oh, and you were like, oh you text

1852
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: me like, oh yeah, it's off the wall this' and Halloween. Yeah.

1853
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: We took him on tour and yeah, yeah, he's prolific.

1854
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: To have your words smith Man, you've written a song

1855
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: with the movie. Yes, we wrote Noma Stay Together Sick. Yeah,

1856
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: he's brilliant. He's another guy is like one step ahead

1857
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: of everybody in the room. You just can't catch up,

1858
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 1: so you just go along for the ride. When he

1859
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: starts using words. He's a poet. It's insane. And his flow,

1860
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: his jawline go on and gone on, shoulders, shoulders of

1861
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: a line. He is pretty. He's insane and he's got

1862
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: He had all his kids. We were Amy's. It might

1863
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: do three more minutes and I'll be done. I'm here

1864
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: all night. We could literally do this three hours and

1865
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: just talk about music. But um we went over to

1866
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: uh when Amy's kids came in from Haiti. So some

1867
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: friends came over to Amy's and it was all just

1868
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 1: people in our circle because it was a very personal

1869
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 1: thing for her and to But in our circle there

1870
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,799
Speaker 1: are some artists and it was Walker, it was Eric Passley,

1871
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: Steve Mockler. I grew up with Steve. Really my guy. Yeah,

1872
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: the best, I mean him a grade so it sound nice,

1873
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: the nicest people. So another brilliant songwriter in words Smith.

1874
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: Walker had his kids and all uh six of them

1875
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: were there and it was the first time I've ever

1876
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,600
Speaker 1: seen them all together at one point and it was

1877
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: really he's a story, but they're all like they're also

1878
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: well behaved. He's so fertile, so fertile. This is so

1879
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 1: buff and fertile. He was out. We were out on tour,

1880
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: Thomas Rhett and Walker was on the tour as well,

1881
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: and he brought them all out and they were like,

1882
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 1: they would all sit down, they would It was like

1883
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: they were so well be Yeah. He showed up and

1884
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 1: we um if we played a show where we didn't fly,

1885
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 1: because he opened for me doing stand up, which he

1886
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: was the perfect opener because he had so much energy

1887
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,719
Speaker 1: even by himself with the pedal. Yes. So he shows

1888
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: up and I said, oh, you got a new bus,

1889
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 1: like a small like sprinter van. Yeah, it's like, hey

1890
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: gotta He was, no, no, no, that's just our family car.

1891
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 1: He said, I just drove it. I mean, have six kids,

1892
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: you have to have a big They rented like a

1893
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: church fan or something. When we were out and he

1894
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 1: had to drive the kids. His wife Liane. He's awesome

1895
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: to him. He's a guy that I really root for. Man.

1896
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: He obviously loved the music when I heard it online. First,

1897
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: that's hit you about it, and we talked about Halloween,

1898
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: but getting no him out on the road, like hearing

1899
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 1: his story. And when I heard that, Craig's honestly crowd.

1900
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: When I did so, I texted him immediately because I

1901
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't listen to it earlier. We were crying thinking about it.

1902
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: Right now, we're working on my stuff and Walker was

1903
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: producing it because we wrote that song together. And then

1904
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: I said, Walk, are you produce? He's I never produced anything.

1905
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 1: I was like, it doesn't matter if you have that instinct.

1906
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 1: You have that instinct. So we go on. He's producing

1907
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: it because I want you to hear Craig, did you

1908
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: do it at the shack? I said, we wrote it

1909
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 1: at the shack. Oh, yeah, we produced at a different place,

1910
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: but we did write in the shack, and so then

1911
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not gonna listen to any song with you.

1912
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: But then I had it when it came out, and

1913
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: I bought the record and I listen to Craig and

1914
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: I cried and I don't cry, and I text him,

1915
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: I said, dude, I just cried during the song. I

1916
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 1: was so in. We were in Europe and I was

1917
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,639
Speaker 1: like on the treadmill and I literally heard him start

1918
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,640
Speaker 1: and I had to get off the treadmill and like

1919
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 1: listen to the words, and I broke. It was insane.

1920
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 1: I played it on the show and I played it

1921
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: twice and I think I went to number seven. I

1922
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: wasn't in the top two. That's how. That's how not

1923
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 1: a mean thing. That's my listeners. It cut through to

1924
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: them so hard, so quick. You listen. They're smart and

1925
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: they've they've picked songs like I mean, that's kind of

1926
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do with this next record, is

1927
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: pick songs that make people feel something, make people react.

1928
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,560
Speaker 1: Don't just pick it because it's up tempo and sounds like,

1929
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote what a hit would sound like

1930
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 1: if somebody, if we had a song like Craig and

1931
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 1: played it for people and they reacted like that. I

1932
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: don't know. I hope a guy like Walker Hayes will

1933
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,560
Speaker 1: take chances and put songs like that out as his

1934
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: singles because like he can change the game with that.

1935
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah he can. Well, we're gonna wrap. This has been

1936
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: one of the longer ones in the history because time

1937
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: had no measurement as we were talking. That's right. It

1938
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: was like one of those first dates we'll know each

1939
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 1: other while one of those first dates where time just

1940
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: goes by and you all of the sudden you look

1941
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: up at six am and the suns coming out. It's

1942
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: send me to hear the Colby Key story. Yeah, yeah,

1943
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: next time. We got it. Next time, Okay, Dan smiles.

1944
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 1: From Dan and Shay, we learned which I wanted to

1945
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: know a lot of pre Dan and Shay. You can

1946
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: find all the Danna Shay stuff online just google it.

1947
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know a lot. I didn't know you played

1948
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: running back in high school. I don't know you played

1949
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: college football. I didn't do a lot of stuff I

1950
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: didn't know. I know you're stealing from the man. Apologize

1951
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: for that. Get back all right, thank you very much.

1952
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: What episodes this with Dan Smyers. Thank you very much

1953
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: for listening to the Bobycast. And uh Daniel Bradbery should

1954
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: be in a couple of days, right, two days. Yeah, yeah,

1955
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: we had to postpone that one because of the ice.

1956
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: Uh so that would be the next one up. Thank

1957
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 1: you very much. We'll see next time. By