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Speaker 1: will join us in ten minutes. It's an achilles injury
Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers. Nothing is official, but likely out for
Speaker 1: the season. JK. Dobbins Achilles injury Ravens out for the season,
Speaker 1: which is just awful. It's bad for the Jets, it's
Speaker 1: bad for Aaron Rodgers. Older players generally struggle to recover
Speaker 1: as quickly as younger players. Aaron's not what thirty nine
Speaker 1: years old. He's also got bags full of money. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know he'll work hard to rehab. But for younger
Speaker 1: players rehab, there's some optimism. You heal much more quickly
Speaker 1: he does. Older players. It's a longer process. See across
Speaker 1: your fingers on that. But it is likely he has
Speaker 1: gone for the season. Let me tip my cap to
Speaker 1: New York Jets and Robert Solo, though, considering the emotion
Speaker 1: of the night nine to eleven in New York, Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers debut an incredibly special night in New York City
Speaker 1: in MetLife. For Aaron Rodgers to go down early, suck
Speaker 1: the wind out of the stadium, to insert Zach Wilson,
Speaker 1: who has struggled a semi bust to bust for the Jets,
Speaker 1: and to win that football game little hero ball. But
Speaker 1: Zach mostly played within his game, within structure. They ran
Speaker 1: the football. I thought they managed the clock well at
Speaker 1: the end of regulation. It wasn't turning the ball over.
Speaker 1: I thought that was incredible coaching to lose not only
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback but Aaron Rodgers in a Jet debut
Speaker 1: that was pulled out of the stadium. And yet Sola's
Speaker 1: team was composed, they fought, They played within themselves. On offense,
Speaker 1: they ran the football, I thought pretty well. Tip of
Speaker 1: the cap. The offensive line is a work in progress.
Speaker 1: They will have their hands completely full at Dallas next week.
Speaker 1: That game is gonna speed up very quickly. For Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1: That is not a game I think he'll flourish in.
Speaker 1: But you have to give the Jets credit and listen.
Speaker 1: The schedule's brutal. Zach Wilson at Dallas feels like an
Speaker 1: l Zach Wilson. Then at home, but it's Belichick who
Speaker 1: he struggled with. Then it's Kansas City. If they lose
Speaker 1: to the Jags in are zero and two, they'll come
Speaker 1: in a met life pissed. Then it's at Denver Philadelphia
Speaker 1: bye week Giants feels good about. But then it's justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: Then it's at Vegas and Garoppolo at Buffalo Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: Then it's Miami, so a lot of high end quarterbacks
Speaker 1: where the Jets will have the secon best quarterback on
Speaker 1: the field if Aaron Rodgers doesn't return. So you know,
Speaker 1: before I knew the outcome of Aaron Rodgers, before I
Speaker 1: did this, I'm thinking, listen, if they can get Aaron
Speaker 1: back in a month, that overtime win, because you go
Speaker 1: oh and two in the NFL, the Jets lost the
Speaker 1: night go oh and two, lose to Dallas, you have
Speaker 1: only eleven percent chance to make the playoffs owen three.
Speaker 1: It's less since nineteen ninety. So I thought the overtime
Speaker 1: win was substantial for the Jets, but it's I just don't.
Speaker 1: I look at this roster and I just see too
Speaker 1: many good quarterbacks week after week after week. And I
Speaker 1: think you can have limitations defensively in this league and
Speaker 1: get to Super Bowls and get to conference championships. It's
Speaker 1: hard to have a lot of offensive limitations. Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: in the AFC is not close to a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 1: The offensive line, the tackle positions are a problem. Tight
Speaker 1: end is average. I think they're receiving Cord Garrett. Wilson's
Speaker 1: a remarkable talent. What a catch he made, But overall
Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty lean group. You can't afford an injury.
Speaker 1: On the other side, I have real concerns about Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen in college at Wyoming was a wild, talented pony,
Speaker 1: just needed to be coached. Goes to the NFL first year,
Speaker 1: out of control, talented, bit of a mess. Brian Dables
Speaker 1: sand papers him, becomes an MVP level player, cuts down
Speaker 1: on turnovers, mechanics improve. So I watch him tonight and
Speaker 1: I see a quarterback who has regressed three picks, a fumble,
Speaker 1: not sliding, mechanics have regressed too much. Side arm crap,
Speaker 1: did not execute very well at the end of I
Speaker 1: thought regulation, poor clock awareness. He skipped a couple of
Speaker 1: passes in the game. Josh Allen looks like he needs coaching.
Speaker 1: If you don't think coaching matters, go look at Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan as a coordinator to Matt Ryan made him MVP.
Speaker 1: All Right, you look around this league the best defensive coordinators.
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn in Dallas, you don't think he matters. That
Speaker 1: cowboy defense has said sational. So when I look at
Speaker 1: Buffalo right now, they're in a bit of a quandary.
Speaker 1: Miami is a sizzling offense. Belichick's defense is tough and
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is better than people subscribe to. The Jets
Speaker 1: defense matches up very well with Buffalo's O line. Even
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson tonight, you know, late in the game, moves
Speaker 1: the ball well enough to get him in field goal range.
Speaker 1: Buffalo has a defensive coach. Ken Dorsey had a good reputation,
Speaker 1: but Josh Allen is back to wild. Mechanics are regressing.
Speaker 1: Decision making was poor. I just just I don't like
Speaker 1: what I see. Windows are small for Super Bowls. You know,
Speaker 1: you lose a coordinator, They shrink, you don't have a
Speaker 1: second dependable receiver. They shrink you have a key injury,
Speaker 1: or lose a defensive player to free agency. They shrink.
Speaker 1: Von Miller's out shrink. So I don't like.
Speaker 2: I don't like.
Speaker 1: It's not just the game tonight. Because they now they
Speaker 1: face the Raiders, they'll be favored and I would take them, though,
Speaker 1: don't listen to me. I was zero for five in
Speaker 1: my blazing five. But I think they'll play very well
Speaker 1: against the Raiders. But I don't like what I see
Speaker 1: with Buffalo. I don't like the direction they're headed in.
Speaker 1: I thought the Jets were more composed getting a backup
Speaker 1: thrust into the starting role with arguably a worse offensive line.
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Speaker 1: us on the Colin Cowerd podcast. So a torn achilles
Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers, Oh no, wow, it's not good. So
Speaker 1: a torn achilles on is that out for the season? Generally?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it he'll unless something happened where you
Speaker 2: know that it's still attached to some degree. More than likely,
Speaker 2: and I've torn my achilles. He's it's a nine to
Speaker 2: eleven month surgical process.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. That is gutting.
Speaker 2: And generally the second year coming off an achilles is
Speaker 2: really tough because it's a it's it's even worse than
Speaker 2: in my opinion, and I'm not a doctor, obviously, but
Speaker 2: you know, the acl is a tough one to come
Speaker 2: back from right away, but the achilles is really really difficult.
Speaker 1: Does it make it worse because he's an older quarterback
Speaker 1: thirty nine.
Speaker 2: No question about it? I mean, obviously, and I said
Speaker 2: this at the end of my career as a general manager.
Speaker 2: It was no secret that older guys got hurt more often.
Speaker 2: And then now all of a sudden, you're coming off
Speaker 2: that it's going to be a grueling rehabilitation process, and
Speaker 2: that is also probably going to test how much he
Speaker 2: really wants to come back and loves it.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I've hadn't talked to pro athletes.
Speaker 1: Rehab early in your career. It's a very optimistic, hopeful process.
Speaker 1: It's a very negative process late in a career, especially
Speaker 1: when you've got one hundred million net worth. It's hard.
Speaker 1: I mean, did you see the mental aware on players,
Speaker 1: older players that had to overcome rehab.
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, you know, it really was grueling for those guys.
Speaker 2: And it, like you said, a lot of the financials
Speaker 2: to build is a big difference for those guys because
Speaker 2: they don't technically have to get off the couch anymore,
Speaker 2: you know, they they they have the flexibility to take
Speaker 2: some time off and to let their body heal. In
Speaker 2: this situation, to me, what's really deflating, as much as
Speaker 2: the physical part would be to me a little bit
Speaker 2: about how he's gonna deal with this mentally, because there
Speaker 2: was so much excitement being in New York getting a
Speaker 2: fresh start, you know, being on hard knocks and all
Speaker 2: that was made of it. And you know, he looked
Speaker 2: like rejuvenated guy on the hard knocks to me, So
Speaker 2: now to see him take this step setback and you know,
Speaker 2: who knows how it pans out for the team. But
Speaker 2: it's obviously, you know, if Zach Wilson can give a
Speaker 2: gritty performance each week like he did tonight, that's outstanding.
Speaker 2: But is that going to be really good enough Colin
Speaker 2: to win enough games?
Speaker 1: Like? Really, you know, Zach and Aaron both have excellent arms,
Speaker 1: they can both move. How much of the offense do
Speaker 1: you change? I mean, let's let's be clear here. They
Speaker 1: relied on the one tonight, and I think they would
Speaker 1: have to a large degree if Aaron would have stayed
Speaker 1: in the game. Yeah, how much? I mean, as a
Speaker 1: general manager, you tell me, would you go down to
Speaker 1: Robert Sala? You know, do we need a trade? What
Speaker 1: can I do for you? What do you do you
Speaker 1: think the team dynamic, the game plans would change for Hackett?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're going to have to get
Speaker 2: a pause from from the head coach and the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Can this guy really do it for us? Obviously bringing
Speaker 2: an Aaron he was going to be the key to
Speaker 2: you know, sort of put them in that predicament to
Speaker 2: be in the super Bowl this year, And now that
Speaker 2: they lost them, I mean, how critical was that?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: You know, reminds me in twenty fourteen, we were eight
Speaker 2: and one. Colin and I had just given Carson Palmer
Speaker 2: a three year extension on a Friday. That Sunday he
Speaker 2: tore his acl That year, we went to the playoffs,
Speaker 2: but without Carson Palmer we had no real chance. Ended
Speaker 2: up playing with Ryan Linley after Drew Standon got hurt.
Speaker 2: So a very exciting year for us, the way we
Speaker 2: started at eight to one, ending up losing our friends
Speaker 2: quarterback after like I said, extending him for three years
Speaker 2: was really really a pit in my stomach, and I
Speaker 2: know the whole city of New York. I have to
Speaker 2: feel for them, you know, to feel like they got
Speaker 2: the guy. And hopefully it's not as bad as being reported.
Speaker 2: But you're going to have to prepare, particularly now with
Speaker 2: the second quarterback, that if Zach Wilson goes down, but
Speaker 2: it's going to change the game plan. I mean it's
Speaker 2: you know, Aaron Rodgers, I guarantee you was so involved
Speaker 2: in those discussions about what they were going to do schematically.
Speaker 2: Now Zach Wilson is a much different predicament and they're
Speaker 2: going to have to sort of tighten the reins up,
Speaker 2: try to run the football more effectively. And just hope
Speaker 2: that that defense can continue to keep him in games.
Speaker 1: An incredibly emotional wild night, I said in my preamble, considering,
Speaker 1: you know, nine to eleven, the emotion in the city
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers' debut. I mean, it was a tense evening.
Speaker 1: Aaron goes down and to put in a backup who
Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of snaps with Aaron because Aaron's
Speaker 1: trying to get all these young receivers aligned with him,
Speaker 1: and to keep to force Josh Allen into four turnovers.
Speaker 1: I thought they ran the clock, used it very efficiently
Speaker 1: in regulation. I thought Sala and his staff, Steve, considering,
Speaker 1: you know, the timing of the injury, you're kind of
Speaker 1: you know, a curve ball is completely thrown at you.
Speaker 1: And I've got to be honest, I thought they played
Speaker 1: really under control. I thought you Sala deserved credit. That
Speaker 1: was my takeaway. Your thought on just the Jets win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same Colin, and want to start to Monday Night football. Wow,
Speaker 2: so many storylines and excitement tonight. You know. The one
Speaker 2: thing that I'll say is I think you nailed it
Speaker 2: to go solid, did a great job, especially jumping back
Speaker 2: from the adversity that they had to handle at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the game. I mean, after you lose your
Speaker 2: quarterback after the for snap. I mean, how hard is
Speaker 2: that for a team, you know, knowing that the stadiums
Speaker 2: sort of deflated. Think the story tonight is the New
Speaker 2: York Jets defense, and quite frankly, I think the best
Speaker 2: quarterback that played for the Jets was Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's interesting, so you remember very well
Speaker 1: Josh at Wyoming was a wild, out of controlled but
Speaker 1: talented player first year in the NFL. Much the same
Speaker 1: day Bowl sandpapers and refines him. I gotta tell you now,
Speaker 1: he's been away for over twelve to fifteen months from dable.
Speaker 1: His mechanics a lot of side arm stuff. He's not
Speaker 1: sliding impatient, Steve, did you see I mean coordinators matter
Speaker 1: in this league a lot. We saw what Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: did to Matt Ryan. I thought Josh was impatient tonight
Speaker 1: and sloppy at times.
Speaker 2: You know, I agree with you one hundred percent and
Speaker 2: really disappointed. You know, it's particularly his second half performance.
Speaker 2: I mean, a guy that can improvise like that with
Speaker 2: his legs, with his arm, all those are great qualities.
Speaker 2: But if you can't play under control, and you can't
Speaker 2: have the attention to detail that's necessary for that position
Speaker 2: to succeed. You're going to be putting a tough spot
Speaker 2: and tonight turning the ball with four times the way
Speaker 2: they played in the second half, to me is just unacceptable.
Speaker 1: So offensive coaches were four and one against defensive coaches
Speaker 1: this weekend. And I've been critical on this podcast and
Speaker 1: on the air about Josh McDaniels, who I think needed
Speaker 1: dable and I think he just I just think defensive
Speaker 1: coaches don't have the same sensibility even you know, even
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick naming a DC as an OC. It's felt
Speaker 1: tone def to me. And I think Bill's a genius.
Speaker 1: But you know, last draft they drafted three guards and
Speaker 1: two kickers and they're one of the slowest teams in
Speaker 1: the league. It's like, Bill, come on, the world's changed there.
Speaker 1: It's pivoted to offense. Are you concerned at all about
Speaker 1: if you look at the end of last year, if
Speaker 1: you look at the playoff game, if you look at
Speaker 1: tonight teams, you know these windows are tight where you
Speaker 1: have the perfect staff. Leslie Fraser, now I'm out. That
Speaker 1: concerns me. Stefan Diggs, Steve Just I don't love the
Speaker 1: vibe right now with Buffalo. Am I overreacting to it?
Speaker 1: You know from last year to this year.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think so. I think that again,
Speaker 2: you said it best, you know, when he had Brian
Speaker 2: day Bott sort of think that he did the right
Speaker 2: things with him and put him in a predicament where
Speaker 2: he could have success, not only schematically, but what he
Speaker 2: asked him to do. Now, I think if they're in
Speaker 2: a predicament where they're going to sit there and look
Speaker 2: and say, listen, you know, you have got to take
Speaker 2: care of the football, and that was his not coming out.
Speaker 2: I went and saw him play several times in college
Speaker 2: and love his talent and his skill set, which was
Speaker 2: obviously on display tonight at times. But then when you
Speaker 2: get careless with the football and you make some of
Speaker 2: the poor decisions reading the field, it is going to
Speaker 2: put you in a tough predicament to win any football
Speaker 2: game in the NFL by turning it over four times.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to touch on two or three other
Speaker 1: stories over the weekend. You looked at Brock Pertty at
Speaker 1: Iowa State a multi year starter. I've always said He's
Speaker 1: coachable and capable. And then I watched him against Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: and he moved better than I thought this was. He
Speaker 1: didn't train much in the off season with the elbow surgery.
Speaker 1: And I looked at the game plan that Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: implemented on the road as an underdog against the Steelers.
Speaker 1: They threw the ball down the field. They were hyper aggressive.
Speaker 1: I didn't think Pittsburgh had nearly as aggressive a game
Speaker 1: plan for Kenny Pickett, a first round picket home. Go
Speaker 1: back to your scouting on Brock Purdy. Obviously Kyle Shanahan matters,
Speaker 1: but did you like him? Are you surprised at what
Speaker 1: you're seeing? I thought he was tremendous on the road.
Speaker 2: I think everybody would be to be surprised considering the
Speaker 2: fact that he was a late round pick. I mean,
Speaker 2: in the worst case for me, even he grew up
Speaker 2: about ten miles away from here in Quak Creek, Arizona.
Speaker 2: So he's a local kid and obviously doing amazing things.
Speaker 2: But he's the typical guy. Colin and the scouting report
Speaker 2: that we all pick apart, not big enough, not live enough,
Speaker 2: arm doesn't have the skills that you look for. Plays
Speaker 2: within the system. We call it. Well, that's a really
Speaker 2: good thing, you know, to play within the system and
Speaker 2: to be able to be coachable. What he has done
Speaker 2: is miraculous. I mean he has been phenomenal in every way.
Speaker 2: His patients, his accuracy, his timing, his anticipation, all those
Speaker 2: things that you know are really more of the ability
Speaker 2: to see the field and to make the quick decisions,
Speaker 2: the same thing two is doing in Miami. Another guy
Speaker 2: that doesn't have all the great physical traits, but is
Speaker 2: doing a lot of good things seeing the field and
Speaker 2: playing with anticipation, a lot of things Kurt Warner did
Speaker 2: for us. Another guy that was not overly gifted physically.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, Steve. We tend to think kids
Speaker 1: go from high school to college and then they really blossom.
Speaker 1: Look at Aaron Rodgers. I remember when he came out
Speaker 1: of col he was mechanical. Tom Brady, Eric Mangini laughs.
Speaker 1: They used to bet money on the side that he
Speaker 1: couldn't make certain throws. Brock pretty I think sometimes, and
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this, we forget these are not finished products.
Speaker 1: You know, a Trevor Lawrence, or and Andrew Luckar Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray obviously is gifted, but a lot of it depends
Speaker 1: on where you land. And you know, I mean you
Speaker 1: land with Kyle Shanahan. You know, you've had offensive coaches
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, Bruce Arian, jn Wizdenhunt. I do think in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three an offensive head coach is an advantage.
Speaker 2: Steve and I totally agree Colin, and I think for
Speaker 2: a number of reasons. The thing number one, just from
Speaker 2: the standpoint for me of what you said, you have
Speaker 2: success with day Bow and Josh Allen. You lose day
Speaker 2: Ball now all of a sudden, you're starting over again.
Speaker 2: To me, if you want to have sustainable success, and
Speaker 2: that's to me something that the Chargers have to look at.
Speaker 2: If the Chargers want to have sustainable success with Herbert,
Speaker 2: they have got to figure out what they what they
Speaker 2: can do to put him in the best succession to
Speaker 2: win football games, because right now is his prominent And
Speaker 2: to me, again, when you lock up a good offensive
Speaker 2: coach with a good quarterback years, you can have sustainable success.
Speaker 2: But if you don't do that, you're going to lose
Speaker 2: a good coordinator. If your quarterbacks haven't success.
Speaker 1: That's right. And so if you're a defensive coach. Those
Speaker 1: offensive coaches are getting the job interviews that defensive coordinators
Speaker 1: are no longer getting. So if Kellen Moore, after two
Speaker 1: good years with Herbert, if he's not given that job,
Speaker 1: he could go back to Dallas. He's going to get
Speaker 1: ahead job somewhere. So to your point, that's right. You
Speaker 1: hire the offensive guy your coordinator leagues, I still get
Speaker 1: an offensive guy in the room running the show. Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, here's what jumps out to me. You know,
Speaker 1: I saw a study recently that it said opposites may
Speaker 1: briefly attract, but they looked at these relationships over ten
Speaker 1: twenty years and they said they don't stay together. You
Speaker 1: have to have commonality in a relationship. Same music, same food,
Speaker 1: same same sort of vibe that your sleep patterns, do
Speaker 1: you eat healthy? Do you what eighty to eighty five percent?
Speaker 1: If you have commonality, those relationships last. Just say opposite
Speaker 1: to track. They may attract, they don't work together. Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson's personality is the opposite of Sean Payton. Sean Payton
Speaker 1: is critical, he is harsh, he is I love him.
Speaker 1: He's funny, he's authentic, he's raw, He's sometimes inappropriate. Russell's polished, refined,
Speaker 1: almost overly optimistic and hopeful. And my takeaway is they're opposites.
Speaker 1: It works with wins these close losses I watched this weekend.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Steve that Russell's washed, but the game
Speaker 1: plan underneath it was as if Steve, it was as
Speaker 1: if Sean didn't really trust him. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying washed, but there's so many great players, the Lamars
Speaker 1: and the Herberts. I didn't see a lot of juice.
Speaker 1: And that contract's forty eight large next year on are
Speaker 1: you concerned at all about the relationship, the personality, the limitations.
Speaker 2: I think you nailed it. I'm a huge Sean Payton.
Speaker 2: I think he's one of the best coaches in the
Speaker 2: National Football League and certainly one of the best play calls.
Speaker 2: I think Sean, just personally, and this is just my opinion,
Speaker 2: is going to have very little patience here in this situation.
Speaker 2: You know, like you said, you want to make it work. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the financial demands and the contract that was put in
Speaker 2: place is going to be putting him in a very
Speaker 2: tough position or the club in a tough position. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, knowing Sean Payton, knowing the competitor
Speaker 2: he is, knowing the football mind that he has. I
Speaker 2: think the amount of patience that he's going to display
Speaker 2: if this continues, is going to be very very short.
Speaker 1: One final point, was there a Week one performance, good
Speaker 1: or bad, that shocked you, Steve Khin.
Speaker 2: Oh, Jordan Love. I mean, you know, I don't want
Speaker 2: to say he played a flawless football game, but you
Speaker 2: know you would have thought, in my opinion, that maybe
Speaker 2: that that's where Chicago would have been, where they would
Speaker 2: have how they would have had a little more time.
Speaker 2: Now with the quarterback situation, Jordan Love was sort of
Speaker 2: the unknown. I was a guy who didn't really know
Speaker 2: if I believe it. I mean, again, it's one game.
Speaker 2: But in this one game sample size, he did some
Speaker 2: really good things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I will say this offensive coach, good
Speaker 1: old line, run game. They scored on their first possession
Speaker 1: and the first possession of the second half. So much
Speaker 1: of that Steve about Jordan Love was I said this
Speaker 1: today quarterback in the NFL. It's calculus, and it always
Speaker 1: helps to have a good tutor when you're a young
Speaker 1: person with calculus, and it's like it's like the Packers,
Speaker 1: you know, Lafleur, the old line, It's like they have
Speaker 1: a really good tutor. I feel a little bit like
Speaker 1: Justin Fields. It's a little hearable. He's on his own
Speaker 1: out there. Defensive coach O line struggles and I'm not
Speaker 1: banging on Matt Eberflus, but again the offensive coach. Uh,
Speaker 1: you're also you're taking over for a franchise with a
Speaker 1: winning momentum, right right, Like I feel.
Speaker 2: If you're going to defense nowadays, Colin, if you're going defense,
Speaker 2: and I know there are some out liars out there,
Speaker 2: but if you're going to young defensive coach nowadays, he
Speaker 2: better be a special leader, right, like a game changer.
Speaker 1: Like dan Quinn, I think will get another look. I
Speaker 1: think he's really Yeah, I think dan Quinn. I thought
Speaker 1: Brian Flores was really good. His personality is very brusque. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you. I mean there's some guys obviously mcdermot's
Speaker 1: been a very successful coach. Mike Tomlin has leadership skills.
Speaker 1: But I think to your point, if I was a
Speaker 1: general manager, listen, this sounds ridiculous, but I think Brandon Staley, Listen,
Speaker 1: that's the number one defensive payroll in the league. They
Speaker 1: have a Bosa on the edge. They are third worst
Speaker 1: team in the league.
Speaker 2: So you can't score thirty four points and get out
Speaker 2: scored and be the defensive head coach. You know that's
Speaker 2: not good.
Speaker 1: They're a terrible third down defense with a Bosa on
Speaker 1: the edge. Like that's just you gotta get people. That's
Speaker 1: just like a gift from the heavens. You get a
Speaker 1: Bosa on the edge. There's only two of them. They're
Speaker 1: both great, Like, right, you gotta it's like guys, fellas,
Speaker 1: you gotta get off the field. They can't since he arrived.
Speaker 1: See time. Appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend. Talk soon. The volume
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