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Speaker 1: game time. All right, Hi, everybody's Steve Kahim, former NFLGM

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Speaker 1: will join us in ten minutes. It's an achilles injury

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Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers. Nothing is official, but likely out for

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Speaker 1: the season. JK. Dobbins Achilles injury Ravens out for the season,

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Speaker 1: which is just awful. It's bad for the Jets, it's

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Speaker 1: bad for Aaron Rodgers. Older players generally struggle to recover

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Speaker 1: as quickly as younger players. Aaron's not what thirty nine

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Speaker 1: years old. He's also got bags full of money. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know he'll work hard to rehab. But for younger

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Speaker 1: players rehab, there's some optimism. You heal much more quickly

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Speaker 1: he does. Older players. It's a longer process. See across

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Speaker 1: your fingers on that. But it is likely he has

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Speaker 1: gone for the season. Let me tip my cap to

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Speaker 1: New York Jets and Robert Solo, though, considering the emotion

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Speaker 1: of the night nine to eleven in New York, Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers debut an incredibly special night in New York City

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Speaker 1: in MetLife. For Aaron Rodgers to go down early, suck

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Speaker 1: the wind out of the stadium, to insert Zach Wilson,

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Speaker 1: who has struggled a semi bust to bust for the Jets,

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Speaker 1: and to win that football game little hero ball. But

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Speaker 1: Zach mostly played within his game, within structure. They ran

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Speaker 1: the football. I thought they managed the clock well at

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Speaker 1: the end of regulation. It wasn't turning the ball over.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was incredible coaching to lose not only

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Speaker 1: that was pulled out of the stadium. And yet Sola's

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Speaker 1: team was composed, they fought, They played within themselves. On offense,

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Speaker 1: they ran the football, I thought pretty well. Tip of

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Speaker 1: the cap. The offensive line is a work in progress.

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Speaker 1: They will have their hands completely full at Dallas next week.

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Speaker 1: That game is gonna speed up very quickly. For Zach Wilson.

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Speaker 1: That is not a game I think he'll flourish in.

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Speaker 1: But you have to give the Jets credit and listen.

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Speaker 1: The schedule's brutal. Zach Wilson at Dallas feels like an

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Speaker 1: l Zach Wilson. Then at home, but it's Belichick who

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Speaker 1: he struggled with. Then it's Kansas City. If they lose

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Speaker 1: to the Jags in are zero and two, they'll come

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Speaker 1: in a met life pissed. Then it's at Denver Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: bye week Giants feels good about. But then it's justin Herbert.

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Speaker 1: Then it's at Vegas and Garoppolo at Buffalo Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: Then it's Miami, so a lot of high end quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: before I knew the outcome of Aaron Rodgers, before I

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Speaker 1: did this, I'm thinking, listen, if they can get Aaron

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Speaker 1: back in a month, that overtime win, because you go

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Speaker 1: oh and two in the NFL, the Jets lost the

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Speaker 1: only eleven percent chance to make the playoffs owen three.

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Speaker 1: It's less since nineteen ninety. So I thought the overtime

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Speaker 1: win was substantial for the Jets, but it's I just don't.

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Speaker 1: The offensive line, the tackle positions are a problem. Tight

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Speaker 1: on turnovers, mechanics improve. So I watch him tonight and

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Speaker 1: Miami is a sizzling offense. Belichick's defense is tough and

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones is better than people subscribe to. The Jets

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Speaker 1: Buffalo has a defensive coach. Ken Dorsey had a good reputation,

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Speaker 1: Decision making was poor. I just just I don't like

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Speaker 1: It's not just the game tonight. Because they now they

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Speaker 1: us on the Colin Cowerd podcast. So a torn achilles

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Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers, Oh no, wow, it's not good. So

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Speaker 1: a torn achilles on is that out for the season? Generally?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it he'll unless something happened where you

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Speaker 2: know that it's still attached to some degree. More than likely,

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Speaker 2: and I've torn my achilles. He's it's a nine to

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Speaker 2: eleven month surgical process.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. That is gutting.

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Speaker 2: And generally the second year coming off an achilles is

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Speaker 2: really tough because it's a it's it's even worse than

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, and I'm not a doctor, obviously, but

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Speaker 2: you know, the acl is a tough one to come

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Speaker 2: back from right away, but the achilles is really really difficult.

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Speaker 1: Does it make it worse because he's an older quarterback

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Speaker 2: No question about it? I mean, obviously, and I said

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Speaker 2: It was no secret that older guys got hurt more often.

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Speaker 2: And then now all of a sudden, you're coming off

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Speaker 2: that it's going to be a grueling rehabilitation process, and

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Speaker 2: that is also probably going to test how much he

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. I've hadn't talked to pro athletes.

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Speaker 1: Rehab early in your career. It's a very optimistic, hopeful process.

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Speaker 1: It's a very negative process late in a career, especially

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Speaker 1: when you've got one hundred million net worth. It's hard.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, you know, it really was grueling for those guys.

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Speaker 2: And it, like you said, a lot of the financials

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Speaker 1: Like? Really, you know, Zach and Aaron both have excellent arms,

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Speaker 2: You know, reminds me in twenty fourteen, we were eight

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Speaker 1: out there. Defensive coach O line struggles and I'm not

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Speaker 1: banging on Matt Eberflus, but again the offensive coach. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you're also you're taking over for a franchise with a

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Speaker 1: winning momentum, right right, Like I feel.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to defense nowadays, Colin, if you're going defense,

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Speaker 2: and I know there are some out liars out there,

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Speaker 2: but if you're going to young defensive coach nowadays, he

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Speaker 2: better be a special leader, right, like a game changer.

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Speaker 1: Like dan Quinn, I think will get another look. I

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Speaker 1: think he's really Yeah, I think dan Quinn. I thought

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Speaker 1: Brian Flores was really good. His personality is very brusque. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you. I mean there's some guys obviously mcdermot's

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Speaker 1: been a very successful coach. Mike Tomlin has leadership skills.

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Speaker 1: But I think to your point, if I was a

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Speaker 1: general manager, listen, this sounds ridiculous, but I think Brandon Staley, Listen,

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Speaker 1: that's the number one defensive payroll in the league. They

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Speaker 1: have a Bosa on the edge. They are third worst

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Speaker 1: team in the league.

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Speaker 2: So you can't score thirty four points and get out

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Speaker 2: scored and be the defensive head coach. You know that's

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Speaker 2: not good.

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Speaker 1: They're a terrible third down defense with a Bosa on

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Speaker 1: the edge. Like that's just you gotta get people. That's

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Speaker 1: just like a gift from the heavens. You get a

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Speaker 1: Bosa on the edge. There's only two of them. They're

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Speaker 1: both great, Like, right, you gotta it's like guys, fellas,

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Speaker 1: you gotta get off the field. They can't since he arrived.

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Speaker 1: See time. Appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend. Talk soon. The volume

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