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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague nol is on adventures,

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Speaker 1: but will be returning. They call me Ben. We're joined

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Speaker 1: as always with our super producer Paul, Mission controlled decond

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that

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Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: We are coming to you live ish on November twenty one,

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Speaker 1: in what has popularly been called two thousand and twenty two. Uh, Matt,

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Speaker 1: no idea whether future listeners will practice the same calendar.

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Speaker 1: What do you think? I think the odds are okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine a massive shift at this point unless

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Speaker 1: days of the French Revolution, where they unsuccessfully attempted to

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Speaker 1: impose a new calendar, a new measure of time. We're

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Speaker 1: coming to you in a during what is called a

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Speaker 1: waning crescent phase of the moon, which will be important

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Speaker 1: to many of us listening along at home. You'll see

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Speaker 1: why In a previous edition of our Weekly Listener Mail segment, Matt,

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Speaker 1: we got this great question from a fellow conspiracy realist

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Speaker 1: Palnell picked this one, and I think it it inspired

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Speaker 1: some thing in all three of us. Is it worth it?

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Speaker 1: I think we should read the email again, just so

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Speaker 1: everyone knows sure. R C says, Hi, guys, my wife

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Speaker 1: think means personal support worker. But I'm unsure. Going back

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Speaker 1: She tells me that when it's a full moon, the

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Speaker 1: resident's mood changes. They become aggressive, restless, and unmanageable. Every

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Speaker 1: r C. Uh, those were not her words, but those

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Speaker 1: I'm going back in. I think it's weird how the

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, r C. Also, as you hear, folks asked

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Speaker 1: us thinking, Uh, Matt and I have had conversations like

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Speaker 1: You know, here's a here's the long and short of it.

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Speaker 1: Earth did not always have a moon, but a long

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Doubtlessly billions of us just said. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy, all right, man, we gotta

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Speaker 1: down your esophagus into your stomach through all that weird

425
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: wormy stuff that's inside of all of us. Stuff is weird, Huh.

426
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: Those intestines don't think about it too much. But your

427
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: your water is contained. The water that is not contained,

428
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: that is just open air water is the stuff that

429
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: the Moon really has a major effect on. Those are

430
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: the oceans, the seas and even lakes, but too much

431
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: lesser effect. Yeah, yeah, so a couple of reasons. Uh,

432
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: the Moon's pretty far away, you know, for everybody not

433
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: in the US or Namibia, it's about three five thousand kilometers.

434
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: That's a long way away. And we know that gravitational

435
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: pools decrease with distance. This is the reason tides occur.

436
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: So picture of the Earth, This little blue spaceship orbiting

437
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: around one side of the Pacific Ocean and just call

438
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: it California to get a picture in your head, is

439
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: going to be closer to the Moon than the other side, Japan.

440
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: So there's a stronger gravitational pull in California than there

441
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: is in Japan. So you get a high tide in California,

442
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: you get a low tide in Japan around the Pacific rim.

443
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Speaker 1: Later in the day, Earth is rotated because Earth is

444
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: all super into doing that, thankfully, and Japan is closer

445
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Speaker 1: to the Moon. Now there's a high tide there, there's

446
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: low tide in California. It's over simplifying, but if you

447
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: think about it that way, what you see is the

448
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: distance for the open body of water. So you're container

449
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: then of a liquid. If you're a human, then you're

450
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: your wet, wet brain is still hopefully in a container

451
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: of some sort, hopefully what you can sent to. And

452
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: that means that you don't have the distance for that

453
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: gravitational effect to matter. A very small head with very

454
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: brilliant ideas, and we believe in you. Uh and you

455
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: know that's the same reason why you're reusable water bottle

456
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: is not actively generating tides. It just doesn't have the

457
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: space for that discrepancy in gravity to matter. And we

458
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: also hope you are not drinking from disposable water bottles.

459
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: If you've heard our previous episodes, yeah, we hope you're

460
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: reusing them over and over and over and letting chemicals,

461
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: glass and ceramic they're the way to go. Uh. So

462
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: this is a huge heart. And the third thing is

463
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: the gravitational effects of the moon are gonna be constant

464
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Speaker 1: even when the appearance of the moon is not constant.

465
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Speaker 1: Think about it. What hold on, but I can't see

466
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Speaker 1: it but the full moon, But it's still there, still

467
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Speaker 1: as the same gravity is the full moon. When its

468
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: eyes are closed, it's still touching you. When its eyes

469
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: are open, it's still touching you. I mean, you know what,

470
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Speaker 1: this reminds me off. There's a good way to get

471
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: into it. Man, You drink water from a red glass,

472
00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: you drink identical water from a blue glass. Debate tastes different?

473
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Speaker 1: M M. I like that. I was just gonna say.

474
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, they dude, taste different. Or what

475
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: if it's what if it's like a colored liquid. Let's

476
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: say milk. It's in a clear glass or in a

477
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: completely black, opaque glass that you can't see inside of. Right, Yes,

478
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: but there's milk and both. I don't know what I'm saying. No,

479
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: you're nailing it. You're nailing it because it gets into, uh,

480
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: the fact that all human senses are interconnected. Right when

481
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: you smell a fart, you were tasting that fart. Stop,

482
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: it's true, it's true. My son, my son. I'm making

483
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: him eat more beans, Ben, and thank you for sharing

484
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: that article. Uh. I cooked some green beans for him,

485
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: and I was talking him in, cut him into bed,

486
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: read this story and he we say two did underneath

487
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: the covers, and he did one of the old lift

488
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: up the sheets real quick thing, and he and he

489
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: had a visceral reaction to it, as did I and

490
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: it was like, Dad, you gotta stop feeding me so

491
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: many beans. He said that, Yeah, because beans. This guy's epic.

492
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: And then he learned that he learned that rhyme the

493
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: beans beans for your heart. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Uh,

494
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: big fat, big fan of that kid. But but also

495
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: we're talking about we're talking about the interconnectedness, right, Like, uh,

496
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: you eat from a blue plate versus eating from a

497
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: red plate. Right, you associate if you if you can

498
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: see the full spectrum of human color as far as

499
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: humans can do it, then then you have implicit associations

500
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: with the other information from your senses. Right. That's that's

501
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: part of why Pavlovian training works. You know, bring the

502
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: bell salivate. I know this means food. Uh. This is

503
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: something called is related to rather something called the illusory effect.

504
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: We found a great study that's from quite a while ago. Now,

505
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: Uh there's a meta analysis, and three very impressive people

506
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: did everything they could. They looked at all the science

507
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: they could find to figure out whether or not the

508
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: full moon genuinely objectively influenced human behavior. This study was

509
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Speaker 1: titled much Ado about the full Moon. You could find

510
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: it in the Psychological Bulletin. I guarantee you can still

511
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: find it. Right now, just do a little search again

512
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: and again. This is this is this is metalwork, right,

513
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: So this is looking at studies thirty seven other studies.

514
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: They're comparing those results to find out, Okay, what can

515
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 1: we learn from all of these studies combined. In all

516
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: cases they came up empty handed, so as in, they

517
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: couldn't find and they couldn't find a study that said like, yeah,

518
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: there's something to this guy's Uh. They basically were just like, um, yeah,

519
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't think this is a thing. I don't think

520
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: this is a thing. Yeah. They did. Uh, they did

521
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Speaker 1: a lot of work, and they weren't trying to be

522
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: sticks in the mud, you know, they didn't come in

523
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Speaker 1: with an agenda. They said, let's conduct a meta analysis,

524
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: which is where you apply statistical processes to every study

525
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: you can find. You analyze the analyzes essentially, and they said,

526
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: based on their findings, full moons are quote entirely unrelated

527
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: to crimes, suicides, psychiatric problems in crisis center calls. However,

528
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: as we will see, one of those might not be correct.

529
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: One of those might not be correct, and not for

530
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Speaker 1: the reasons outlined in that study. It's just again, the

531
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Speaker 1: best science is figuring out which questions to ask and

532
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: how to ask them. So it sounds like they missed something.

533
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: Why didn't they find a correlation? Why does blue gatorade

534
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: taste somehow colder than red gatorade? Or power whatever? Are

535
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: we talking about the power of the brain, even though

536
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: the brain isn't maybe being affected by the moon. You're saying,

537
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: it's very powerful. It can make us feel things that

538
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: are just so, yes, dude, And and if that is true,

539
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: which it is, then what what then becomes the difference?

540
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: Right right? What becomes the difference the idea of Look again,

541
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: there's an entire episode on why things taste the way

542
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: they taste. And if you're a fellow conspiracy realist in

543
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: the cooking biz, if you're a cooking enthusiast, we need

544
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: your help for this one right in. In the meantime,

545
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: just know the same factors and variables apply to the

546
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: experience of a human living under the shadow of the moon.

547
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: It all goes back to this idea of illusory correlation.

548
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: People don't like that term because it makes it sound

549
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: like you're wrong. You're not. It could be psychogenic and

550
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: just like we're talking about in the Havana Syndrome episode

551
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: with our pal Jack from Daily Zeitgeist that is equally valid.

552
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: Illusory correlation is the perception of a relationship between variables

553
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: even when no relationship exists. The essential argument here is

554
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: that people tend to forget what we call non events

555
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: like picture your faithful corresponse. Matt and i um are

556
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: working late night at some sort of thing. Matt, what

557
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: are we working at. We are working on developing a

558
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: new high quality sound absorbing sponge. So we're sponge folk,

559
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: were spongemen, and we're up late at night working on

560
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: working on the future of sponge ry. And we get

561
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people coming in with questions and issues

562
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: related to this, the future of sponges. And you know,

563
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: we work the graveyard shift, so we might spend any

564
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: number of nights under a new moon or waning crescent,

565
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: what have you with. Nothing really happen in regular sponge questions.

566
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: People call into the sponge line, you know, sizes, yeah, yeah,

567
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: we're solving it. We got our lap coats on, you know,

568
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: and we got our sponge gloves and uh, and we

569
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: don't remember these uneventful nights during the full moon because

570
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, we work will break it dawn, and then

571
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: we go to sleep, and then we get up and

572
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: record this podcast before we go back to the sponge lab,

573
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: to the sponge Eury. But but Matt, if we're working

574
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: one night and something strange does happen, we're more likely

575
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Speaker 1: to remember it. Our brain is gonna also additionally seek

576
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: out a pattern with which to associate this. So something

577
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: weird happens on a Tuesday, and we remember three or

578
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: more Tuesdays, then pretty soon we're the sponge veteran is

579
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: going gotta get ready man, Tuesday, Tuesday. See, even my

580
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: dogs could tell better. On my sponge lab, gray pants,

581
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: she's looking at my bed as though my bed has

582
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: done something. See she's having an illusory effect with my

583
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: bed right now. That's my dog Penny. Okay, Uh, she

584
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: always gets crazy around recording time. Uh. Yeah, she's gonna

585
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: do that for a while, so I I we keep

586
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: it in. Uh. This is often the experience. Let scientists

587
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: argue of unusual activity during a full moon. What they're

588
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: saying is people don't remember all the times the night

589
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: was normal, right, They remember instead the times the night

590
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: went crazy. So it's similar to batter mine Hoff syndrome.

591
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: Right when you hear a word like Saturday nine, and

592
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you feel like you hear

593
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: that word all the time. We might have just beat

594
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: her mine Hoff someone right now with the words Saturday

595
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: nine because it's a fairly specific phrase. Oh god, I haven't.

596
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't even know that word, and I can already

597
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: feel it coming. It's gonna happen as soon as I

598
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: leave the house. I hope it doesn't, because Saturday I

599
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: means slow and gloomy. I don't. I hope you don't

600
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: have slow and gloomy. Yeah, it's on the way. I

601
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: hope you have hyper fast and very happy times. So uh,

602
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: all right, So you know, we talked about the pattern stuff.

603
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: We also need to realize that one study found that

604
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: psychiatric nurses who believe in this concept lunar effect. That's

605
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: the name for it. Lunar effect describes the idea that

606
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: people get weird during certain phases of the moon. So

607
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: one study found that nurse is in psychiatric wards who

608
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: believed in the lunar effect actually wrote more notes about

609
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: what they saw as unusual behavior on the behalf of

610
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: the patients. Then nurses who didn't believe in the effect.

611
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: So if you already went in believing that the moon

612
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: makes people weird, you're paying more attention to it. You're

613
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: increasing your opportunities to see the stories you heard proven true.

614
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: So congratulations to the skeptics. That's the show. Yep, you

615
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: confirmed your own biases. There's a phrase for that, but

616
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: I can't remember it. I'm biased towards how to call

617
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: that confirmation. But there's That's the thing. You can't rest

618
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: on your laurels just yet, skeptics in the crowd, Folks

619
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: with great affection, We tell you there is more to

620
00:44:55,120 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: the story. The explanation of illusory correlation is probably part

621
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: of it, but it does not address the whole thing. Remember,

622
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: people are intelligent. People are not trying to fool themselves.

623
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Speaker 1: There can't be this many people in the world for

624
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: this amount of time. And if there are this many

625
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: people across this amount of time telling you these things

626
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: are true, you should listen. We're gonna pause for a

627
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Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and then we're going to take

628
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Speaker 1: it back to life, back to reality, and I'm gonna

629
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Speaker 1: go see what my dogs were working at. We're back. Matt,

630
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: you said something that really stood out to me. In

631
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: our earlier Listener Mail segment, you said, maybe it's not

632
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: the gravity, maybe it's not the water, maybe it's the light. Yeah, look,

633
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: that's I have no evidence. I just I just know

634
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Speaker 1: that if any individual human being can see a little

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Speaker 1: bit better at night, then maybe you might be more

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Speaker 1: inclined to go do things at night, you know, because

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Speaker 1: know if that seems like the most elementary observation that

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Speaker 1: that episode, but it does feel like there could be

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Speaker 1: something to it. Yeah. Yeah, In that in that Weekly

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Speaker 1: Listener Male segment you did, you did pose this in

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Speaker 1: such an interesting way, right, And we are very careful

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Speaker 1: to separate speculation from what we know can be proven.

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Speaker 1: But it reminded me I hadn't talked with you about

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Speaker 1: this off air. Reminded me about how, uh, in the

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Speaker 1: days before the advent of electric light, most people would

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Speaker 1: sleep in a polyphasic manner, meaning you would sleep for

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Speaker 1: up to some I jinks, and then you would go

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Speaker 1: back to sleep, and you would wake at dawn. Right,

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Speaker 1: and the original human night light. The moon might affect

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Speaker 1: how long you stayed awake, might affect what you chose

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Speaker 1: to do simply because you could see better when the

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Speaker 1: moon was brighter. Think about the times when you had

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Speaker 1: to get work done light. I have to get this

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Speaker 1: done before full winter sets in. If I don't get

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Speaker 1: this work done, this physical labor, whatever it is, me,

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Speaker 1: myself and my family or whoever I'm with, will likely

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Speaker 1: die if I don't make this shelter perfect in the

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Speaker 1: way it needs to be right. So if there is

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Speaker 1: a full moon out you and you can see well enough,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what time it is, you can keep

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Speaker 1: working right right people, humans, I mean road the natural

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Speaker 1: rhythms of light from the Sun and the moon, And

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Speaker 1: that is one of the great ways in which the

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Speaker 1: moon has influenced human behavior throughout all of human history. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There's a psychiatrist named Charles L. Rayson R. A I. S. O. N.

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Speaker 1: Who was at Emory University for a time, who said

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Speaker 1: this lunar effect might have a small bit of truth

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Speaker 1: to it, a grain a kernel of truth due to

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Speaker 1: this idea of electric light versus natural light. You know,

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Speaker 1: before people had outdoor lighting everywhere the bright light of

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Speaker 1: a full moon deprived people of sleep, and this impact

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Speaker 1: becomes exacerbated when those people are already struggling with certain

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Speaker 1: mental disorders. We know, we know for a fact that

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Speaker 1: sleep deprivation can trigger erratic behavior, and people with certain

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Speaker 1: psychological conditions by holder disorder right uh used to be

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Speaker 1: called manic depression, the full moon may have been linked

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Speaker 1: to a heightened rate of bizarre behavior. And these long

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Speaker 1: ago eras, way before the dawn of modern psychology and

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Speaker 1: psychiatric theory. You know, you wouldn't have the words to

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Speaker 1: describe what was happening in this person's mind. You would think, snap,

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Speaker 1: it's a full moon. There goes Gela Breath or whatever

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Speaker 1: name you want to put in there, and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be my next skyron character's name, Gerald Breath, Gerald, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to brush my too Zara that. But there

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Speaker 1: we go, at this present time, and we say this

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Speaker 1: with no great enthusiasm. There is no clear evidence that

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Speaker 1: the moon physically affects behavioral change for most people. But

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Speaker 1: if we want to, if we want answers, we gotta

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Speaker 1: start at a larger view. All known species have evolved

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Speaker 1: under the influence of the moon, it shouldn't be surprising

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Speaker 1: that research shows several species adapted some of their biological

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Speaker 1: cycles to line up with the lunar cycle. But we've

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Speaker 1: gotta be careful, you know, you you talked about the

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Speaker 1: most affected ones. You're talking about marine animals because they

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Speaker 1: live in the ocean, which is big enough to have tides,

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Speaker 1: so of course they're going to be affected. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: that makes so much sense. I'm just disappointed. It makes

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Speaker 1: too much sense. So what about mental conditions? We know

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Speaker 1: the human is uh only another sort of terran animal, right,

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Speaker 1: the moon affects other animals, so logically, why should the

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Speaker 1: current popular primate be any different? If you look at

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Speaker 1: going back to our earlier stuff from race, and if

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Speaker 1: we look at this peer reviewed study of seventeen patients

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Speaker 1: with what's called rapid cycling bipolar disorder, we see that

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Speaker 1: they experienced mood shifts with a pattern of regularity, at

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Speaker 1: least in part influenced by lunar cycles more light less

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Speaker 1: light effects behavior. That that's intense to know. I've I've

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Speaker 1: you know, just personally dealt with several people in my

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Speaker 1: life who suffer from varying, varying levels of that disorder

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Speaker 1: and that. Wow, it makes you want to look into

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Speaker 1: it further. That's fascinating to me. Uh wow, yeah, it's uh.

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Speaker 1: If you want to find this study, it's called bipolar

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Speaker 1: mood cycles and Lunar tide cycles. You should be able

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Speaker 1: to find it there. It's in a National Library of Medicine.

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Speaker 1: Is where I found one of the citations down the

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Speaker 1: rabbit hole. Well, dude, we know light can and does

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Speaker 1: influence human behavior. If we forget about the moon for

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Speaker 1: a second. More, northern countries like Germany actually have laws

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Speaker 1: requiring office buildings to have a guaranteed amount of light.

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget the studies showing links between depression and

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Speaker 1: self harm tied to the idea of seasonal depression lack

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Speaker 1: of light. You know all those little kids in Scandinavia

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Speaker 1: who have to stand under the UV lamps. Ambient nighttime

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Speaker 1: light exposure has also been implicated as a risk factor

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Speaker 1: for adverse health outcomes, including stuff like cardio metabolic disease.

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Speaker 1: Different shades of light at night can also affect behavior.

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Speaker 1: I think it was part of Japan Nagoya. I want

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Speaker 1: to say, in Glasgow, Scotland, they deployed blue street lights

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Speaker 1: and this appeared to tamp down in uh, certain violent behaviors.

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Speaker 1: It's weird, right, like we we know. Okay, look we're

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Speaker 1: running along, folks. Uh, Matt, you and I are probably

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Speaker 1: not going to be able to get to the continuing

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Speaker 1: conversation about human menstrual cycles and the moon. We do

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Speaker 1: know that the average length of a human menstrual cycles

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Speaker 1: between twenty one and thirty five days. Media length twenty

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Speaker 1: eight days. Your mileage may vary, folks, And the lunar

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Speaker 1: cycle itself has been again about twenty nine point five days.

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Speaker 1: But that's a whole other conversation for a different time.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe this is a series, Maybe this

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Speaker 1: is a two part episode, what do you think? But yeah,

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00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: we can look into I think it's it would be

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Speaker 1: smart for us to say that there is no confirmed,

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Speaker 1: fully agreed upon connection between those two things, the moon

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Speaker 1: cycle and the reproductive psychle in a woman. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: and another intervening variable, maybe artificial light. Right, the human

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Speaker 1: body responds to to light or to the lack thereof,

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Speaker 1: So maybe we save this for future conversation right now.

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Speaker 1: What we found is that while many of the anecdotal

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Speaker 1: stories about the influence of the moon on human beings

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Speaker 1: don't seem entirely true. There is a series of fascinating breadcrumbs,

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Speaker 1: you know, their their paths that wind to certain understandings. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's it doesn't seem like the gravity is the culprit,

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Speaker 1: even though the gravity gets played out a lot, right, Uh,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like why which would be related to

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00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: gravity is the culprit. Water content of the human body

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00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: and that super moist brain ears, and that's super super

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Speaker 1: wet brain. But it does seem like light is the

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Speaker 1: primary influencer here. We consider this an open conversation. We

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