1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Bookmarked by Teresa's book Club is presented by Apple Books. Hi, 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm Danielle Robe and welcome to Bookmarked by Teresa's book Club. 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: You guys, this. 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: Week we are talking to an icon, Lisa F*cking Rinna. Now, 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: part of why Lisa is such an icon is that 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: there are so many places that you may know her 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Traders Fashion Week, her 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: days as a soap opera star, her Veronica Mars season 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: where she played the wife of her real life husband 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: Harry Hamlin, and of course Lisa's new memoir You better 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: believe I'm going to talk about it. And honestly, the 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: title says it all because Lisa's never been someone who 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: holds back and this book doesn't either. But for someone 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: so used to being in the spotlight, Lisa still reveals 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: some new sides of herself in this book. She goes 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: there on what it felt like to go from a 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: housewife loved for her honesty to a franchise villain. 18 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: Booed on stage at Bravocon. 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: She talks about grieving the death of her mother while 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: cameras were rolling and the world was watching, and now 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: how she's learned to draw lines around her public and 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: private personas. So if you've ever wondered what it costs 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: to be totally and unapologetically yourself, or what it's like 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: to be famous, and if it's actually worth it, you're 25 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: in the right place. Let's turn the page with Lisa Rinna. 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: Lisa Rinna, welcome to the club. 27 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: Thank you, Hi, it's nice to finally be here. 28 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: You wrote a book. Now, I'm not a Virgo, so 29 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: I think this interview is going to go well. I 30 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: hope it does. 31 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 3: And it seems to be only Virgo women. I'm good 32 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: with Virgo men, so go figure. 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: For anybody who hasn't read the book yet, there are 34 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: just lots of mentions about how you and Virgo women 35 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: just do not get along. 36 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: No exactly. Yeah, it's like oil and water and who 37 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: knows why. 38 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Lisa, I expected a lipcare brand 39 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: from you, and I was not so prized when you 40 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: became an absolute fashion diva. 41 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: But a book. When did you have time to write 42 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: a book? 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: Well, uh, listen, I do many things. I wrote a 44 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: couple of books. But back in like two thousand and eight, 45 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, you know, early two thousands, and 46 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: I wasn't planning on writing a book, to be honest 47 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: with you. But the agents came to me and said, 48 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 3: we think that you have another book in you. And 49 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: I was like, I think I'm good. I don't think 50 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: I need to write another book. And they kept asking. 51 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: They were like, we think you have more to say, 52 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: just think about it. And so I, you know, I 53 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: don't write my own book. I have to have a 54 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: ghostwriter because I am not a writer, and that's just 55 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: the truth. So I said, let me meet with three 56 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 3: ghost writers, okay, and if I connect to one, I'll 57 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: do it. And so I met three different ghostwriters and 58 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: I connected to one, and I thought this would be fun. 59 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: I thought they had my voice, they had an idea 60 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: of who I am and my whole career. I just 61 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: took a risk and it turned out to be a 62 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: very cathartic, very great experience. I had so much fun 63 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 3: writing this book, and I've never had fun writing a 64 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: book before, so it was meant to happen. And I 65 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: was able to tell like my side of things and 66 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: how I feel, and I'm really glad I did it. 67 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: So out of all the titles that you've worn, which 68 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: you know there are so many author, Bravo housewife, actress, trader, mom, 69 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: wife of Harry Hamlin. 70 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 2: Is there one that you most identify with? 71 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: I mean just me being my authentic self. 72 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: But is there a difference between Lisa Rinna and Lisa 73 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: fucking Rinna. 74 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: Yes, there is absolutely. Lisa Rinna is Lisa Rinna wears 75 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: leggings and you know, free city sweatpants, no makeup, looks 76 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: like a twelve year old boy, literally, that's the true. 77 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: And bucket hats and like baseball hats. I love the 78 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: zero makeup. Lisa fucking is a force to be reckoned 79 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: with has her hair, makeup done, comes out in her fashion. 80 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: And I would never run around as Lisa fucking Rinna. 81 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: I only run around as Lisa Rinna. But now it's 82 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 3: almost meshed together, and so I kind of can't escape 83 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 3: either one. It's just now out in the world. Doesn't 84 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: matter if I look like a twelve year old boy. 85 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 3: I still get people now coming up to me saying 86 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: Lisa fucking Rinna. So I think they intermeshed. 87 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: I ask because I feel like in the book you 88 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: wrote a lot about how you really approached housewives and 89 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: reality TV in general as a job, and so you 90 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: leaned into playing this character, which I kind of think 91 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: of as Lisa fucking Rinna. Yeah, and in the book, 92 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: you share her, but you really bear your soul too. 93 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: And I'm curious how it felt to be Lisa Rinna 94 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: and be so honest with people. 95 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 3: Vulnerable, super vulnerable, you know, scary, And I knew that 96 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 3: I had to do that, because when you're scared of something, 97 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: it's like I always know that that's the thing I 98 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: should do. 99 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: What was scary about it. 100 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: It's sharing parts of myself that I usually keep very private. 101 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: You know, I am a very private person, even though 102 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: it doesn't really seem like I am. It seems like 103 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: I'm really out there, but I am actually very private. 104 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: H So opening up and sharing that part of me 105 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 3: and talking about, you know, my feelings and what I've 106 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: been through was very vulnerable, very vulnerable. 107 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: What would you say was the most vulnerable chapter or share? 108 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 3: I think the very first chapter when I share about 109 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: my mom's passing and what that was like and my 110 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: dad's passing, that for sure is the most vulnerable. 111 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: You know, those were my favorite parts because I got 112 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: to know your mom a little bit through Real Housewives. 113 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: When I watched, but when you write about her and 114 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: your dad and their dynamic, I had a whole new 115 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: understanding of who you were. 116 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: Oh, I love that, you know. That's what's been so 117 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: great and positive about this book is I think people 118 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 3: see me in a different way because you know, it's 119 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: only one way when you see me on Housewives, and 120 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 3: it's such a little tiny part, and so this book 121 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 3: has really helped people to see the real me and 122 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 3: all the different parts of me, which I'm really grateful for. 123 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: Well, we're on the street, as you're in a renaissance now, 124 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: and so besides being truly like a fashion icon, what 125 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: is the new era all about for you? 126 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: Well, it's just having such a good time, to be honest, 127 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: It's so fun and it's so filled with joy that 128 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 3: I think it's really all about that. It's all about 129 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 3: you know, our lives are really pretty short and you 130 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: really have to find out, like what excites you, what 131 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: moves you, what you really want to do and spend 132 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: your time doing. And I think that is what I'm doing, 133 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,559 Speaker 3: and so I'm having a ball. Fashion has just been 134 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: my favorite thing that I've ever done, and so I 135 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: feel so grateful and I'm just so excited by it, 136 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: and to be excited by anything at this age in 137 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: my life I think is amazing, like so cool. So 138 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: I'm having a ball. I think the renaissance is really 139 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: about joy and coming into myself and allowing whatever to be. 140 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 1: Do you feel like your daughters can feel that energy 141 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: from you because they're both in fashion as well, Like, 142 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: how is it for them to watch you go through 143 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: this renaissance and also for all three of you to 144 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: kind of be in the same industry now. 145 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I think they get a kick 146 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: out of it. I think they get a kick out 147 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: of me enjoying it so much, and that's so fun 148 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: that they get to see me again being my authentic self, 149 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: enjoying myself. And you know, I'm not sure if we 150 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: ask one hundred people if they would say, wow, I 151 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: really got to see my mom happy and doing what 152 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: she really loves. I'm not sure many of them would 153 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: be able to say yes to that, you know, right, 154 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: And I think that it's really great for my daughters 155 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: not only to see that I'm doing this at the 156 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: age and stage that I'm at and that I don't 157 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: apologize for anything, and I think that they go, wow, 158 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: she is free, she does whatever she wants. You know, 159 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: when you have kids, they're like little sponges. So her 160 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: and I've always tried to be really open and honest 161 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: and just like this is who we are, and they 162 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: know that they can come to us with anything and 163 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: you know, whatever it is. I think it's been fun 164 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 3: for everyone. 165 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: So I sort of imagine you guys, like all practicing 166 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: your catwalk in the kitchen together. 167 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: Does that happen? 168 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: We have done that. It's the most fun when you 169 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: see Amelia and Delilah kind of having a walk off 170 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: in the kitchen, like they'll do it with each other, 171 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: and it's I mean, come on, it's so fun. And 172 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: it's been so fun to see Amelia because she's really 173 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 3: been able to walk some major runways, major major runways, 174 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: and she really has one of the great walks out 175 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: there right now as a model. 176 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: Did your girls read the book? 177 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 3: No, neither one of them. Now this is funny. On Housewives, 178 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: there was a scene in Tokyo that I never will forget. 179 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: We're sitting around a table and I'm there with Erica 180 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 3: Jane and the girls bring up the fact that at 181 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 3: eleven they found my book in the living room at 182 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: our place in Canada, and they one of their friends 183 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 3: found it. Of course, because they could have cared less. 184 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: You know, your kids. My kids don't care what I've 185 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: been on, what we've done in a movie, nothing like, 186 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 3: they don't care. We're mom and dad. So their friends 187 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 3: saw the book and was like oh, and she starts 188 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 3: reading it, and then the girls start to read the 189 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: chapter of course on sex, and oh they don't. They're 190 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 3: too scared to read the book because Millie was like, 191 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: I don't want to know anything about sex. I don't 192 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 3: want to know that you and dad have sex, and 193 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: I'm not reading the book. I was like, all right, 194 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 3: this one's safe. 195 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: This one's safe. There's a lot about skincare I found 196 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: I have. There's a whole chapter about your closet. I 197 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: learned about your parents. 198 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 3: You're safe, That's what I said. But she said, nope, 199 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 3: I'm not reading it. So at some point it will. 200 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: But Harry has read it. He read it twice and 201 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 3: it was really cute to watch him sitting out in 202 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 3: the backyard reading it, and he was really emotional because 203 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: he said, it's a snapshot of the last, you know, 204 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: thirty four or five years of our life, and so 205 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: I loved to hear that. 206 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: You know, I am curious. 207 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: One of my favorite moments from your writing was when 208 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: you shared your decision and it was really a joint 209 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: decision between you and Harry to actually go on Housewives, 210 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: because he was vehemently against it. 211 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: And then you said to him, and I'm. 212 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: Paraphrasing that basically, like we could really make some money here. 213 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: And a day later he comes back and he's like, okay, Lisa, 214 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: but here are the rules, and he gave you some 215 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: ground rules. 216 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: Is he happy with his sort of choice? Because it 217 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: was pretty rough at the end. 218 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: It was pretty rough at the end, and we all 219 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 3: acknowledged that and know that, but we all agree that 220 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 3: we wouldn't have changed it, and that it was great 221 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 3: for me and great for everybody in many many ways, 222 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 3: in many many ways. So the end of it was 223 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 3: was really hard and very very very turbulent, but up 224 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: to that point it was it was quite great. So 225 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 3: that's how he feels. 226 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: Did you tell Harry you were going to write a memoir? 227 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: You just did it. 228 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 3: He knew I was writing it, but nobody read it 229 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 3: or nobody knew really anything about it until it was done. 230 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 3: And printed. They were just like, oh, she's out there 231 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: doing a zoom, you know, doing her book. And I 232 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 3: did that for you know, it takes a long time 233 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 3: to write a book. It takes really like two years 234 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 3: from start to finish. So it's a long process and 235 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: everyone forgets about it until it's done and then you 236 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: start to go out and do the press and whatnot. 237 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: Then it becomes back, it comes back into life, you know. 238 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he's like all over, under and around it. 239 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: So he was okay with being in the book. He 240 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: just didn't want to show up on Housewives. 241 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 3: He just didn't want to show up on Housewives absolutely 242 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: five getting in the book. But you know, for him 243 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 3: as an actor, we had to protect his career. And 244 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: that's what I said going in. I said, you know, 245 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 3: he just cannot be a house husband on this show 246 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 3: because I don't want it to affect his career. And 247 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: what was really cool about Sherry Levine and Andy Cohen 248 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: at that point, they agreed to it, and they don't 249 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: do that normally. You know, those husbands are being counted 250 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 3: on to be part of everything, and so I was 251 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 3: lucky enough to make a deal with them. They would 252 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: take him three times three times this season they could 253 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: get him three times. That was the deal. We always 254 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 3: gave him three times, and it worked out. 255 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: There's this one story that not only did I tear 256 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: up when I heard you talk about it, but all 257 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: the producers on our show picked up on this story too. 258 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: And it's when you're on your first vacation with Harry 259 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: and the two of you have gone together and he 260 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: tries to take a photo of you. 261 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: Will you share the story with everybody? 262 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 3: I will never forget it show. We're in Tahiti and 263 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: it's beautiful and you know, amazing, and he went to 264 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 3: take a photo and again we have no cell phones, 265 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: no social media. It's one of those little, you know, 266 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 3: canon cameras. And I just stood there, like rambroad straight 267 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 3: and he goes do something like do something in the photo, 268 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: and like do something. I was like, you know, I 269 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 3: was very reserved, you know, in many many ways, and 270 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 3: very insecure when I met. I know it's hard to believe, 271 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 3: but it's true. And so once he did that, I 272 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 3: was like, oh, okay, and then I just started to 273 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 3: like open up after that. It's almost like he gave 274 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: me permission to like express myself. 275 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: It feels like he's been doing that ever since. Because 276 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: you're one of the only marriages that have made it 277 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: through housewives. 278 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: They're crazy, maybe one of the only for sure. Yeah, 279 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: it's true. 280 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: Do you feel like you're still finding out who you are? 281 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: Or do you know who Lisa Rinna is? 282 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: Now you know, I'm in therapy. I'm always searching. I'm 283 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 3: always digging deep because I know that I have a 284 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 3: lot of you know, I think we all have a 285 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: lot of childhood drama, trauma and drama and you know 286 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: whatever else, and so I think it's super important for 287 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: me to continue to evolve and find out who I 288 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 3: am by being in therapy. It's super important to me. 289 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: So I have a good sense of who I am. 290 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 3: But no, I am still learning, I really am. I'm 291 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 3: learning why I react certain ways, what turns me on, 292 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: what moves me. And I love self reflection. I do. 293 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: So I'm I'm very happy to be in therapy looking 294 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 3: at my life and what makes me triggered and what 295 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: makes me react the way I do, And I love 296 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: all that. 297 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: It's actually very cool, Lisa. 298 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm thirty five, and so when I went through the 299 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: back catalog of your books, I was like, Wow, it's 300 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: amazing for me to read about a woman's life who's 301 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: gone through all of these transitions and motherhood and career transitions. Like, 302 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: I really do feel like we've you've been. You've showed us, 303 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: whether it was through your books or TV, what an 304 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: evolution looks like over all these years. 305 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: Do you feel cool? 306 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 3: That's cool that you that you get that. I love 307 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 3: that you get that. I love that well, you. 308 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: Know, like sometimes you don't get to know your mom 309 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: through those transitions, right, And so to like read about 310 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: other women's stories, I think is so helpful. 311 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: Do you ever surprise yourself? 312 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: Oh? 313 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: I surprise myself all the time, in good ways and 314 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: bad ways. About that. I probably surprise myself more in 315 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: something that I do. And I'm like, oh my god, 316 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: you know, I can't believe I just said that. I 317 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: can't believe I can surprise daily bye everything, you know. 318 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: And I think that's a great way to live, to 319 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: be curious all the time. I'm still like a five 320 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 3: year old that is just like and what about this? 321 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: And what about this? 322 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: Do you think you take yourself more or less seriously 323 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: than the public does? 324 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 3: Oh way less seriously. I do not take myself seriously. 325 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 3: The public takes me so serious it's crazy. Yeah, I 326 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: wouldn't want to take myself as serious as the public 327 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: takes me like. I'm not afraid to look like a fool. 328 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: I love to be self deprecating about myself, and I 329 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: like to make fun of myself because if I can't, 330 00:16:59,080 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: who can. 331 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: You made me think about something. You know, when you 332 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: had to grieve your mom in public? Did grieving in 333 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: public make you reconsider fame at all? 334 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 3: It's very difficult. I have to say it was extremely 335 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 3: difficult to grieve in public. And you know what I've 336 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: learned from it. I think somebody grieving is too painful 337 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 3: and it triggers everybody else's grief and they don't want 338 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 3: to see it, you know, the viewers, the housewives. No 339 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 3: one wants to deal with grief. And I was a 340 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: walking grief monster, right, I was just like grief. And 341 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 3: I just think that that's why I got so pushed away. 342 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 3: It's because nobody wants to feel grief. And I don't 343 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: blame them, but I think, truly that's what happened the 344 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 3: last season. And of course I was like acting out 345 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: and you know, raging and angry, and you know whatever 346 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,239 Speaker 3: grief does to one, but I think it just was 347 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 3: too painful for people to see it, and they rather 348 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 3: escape and watch, you know, people being stupid and fighting. 349 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 3: Was too painful for everybody involved. I think it's. 350 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: Actually a really good take. I haven't thought about that. 351 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 3: That's what I got. It's just too painful. It's like, 352 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: I know she's grieving, I know she lost her mom, 353 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: and I just don't want to feel that. It's too 354 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 3: fucking painful. And I now I understand it. I understand 355 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: what the reaction was because you know, when you look 356 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: back at all the episodes, I really am not that 357 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 3: much different my eighth season. I'm really not. But whatever 358 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 3: the label of grief gave me, it was like, no, buena, 359 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 3: we do not like you. We don't like how you're 360 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: talking to the other women. You're an evil villain, and 361 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: we just don't want you here. And that that was 362 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: the reaction. And I think maybe if I hadn't gone 363 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: through that and wasn't grieving, it would have been very different. 364 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: So after the final season on Housewives, you walk onto 365 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: the Bravo con stage and you got booed by the audience, 366 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: which you write about, but you do something interesting, which 367 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: is instead of letting it hurt you, you kind of 368 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: flip them off. You play into it like pro wrestling, 369 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: like you were a WWE character, and the audience ate 370 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: it up. Why do you think that we love villains 371 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: the most. 372 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, they have the most fun. It's true. 373 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 3: And I think you know that's where it went off 374 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 3: on Housewives, because the villains drive the show. That's really 375 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: why you're tuning in. But it got it got really 376 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 3: messed up on Housewives because instead of having it be 377 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 3: like a good sporting event, they really hated you in 378 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 3: a way that they wanted to get rid of you 379 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 3: and kill you and like all this weird stuff. Instead 380 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 3: of just really enjoying hating you as the villain, but 381 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: in a healthy way, if you know what I mean, Like, ah, 382 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 3: she just makes me so mad, but I just love it, 383 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 3: it went the other way, and I just it was 384 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 3: a shame because that's the most fun when you have 385 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 3: a villain. And every time they run the villains off 386 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 3: the show, the fan base goes, oh, it's so boring, 387 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 3: I just hate the show. Well, it's because you get 388 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: rid of all the people that are doing the job 389 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: of making the show. Great. Mm hmm. 390 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: That's actually so well said. 391 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you. That's what I noticed because listen, without 392 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 3: somebody that is stirring the pot or creating friction, you 393 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 3: have nothing going on, and. 394 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: So you need the hero's journey. 395 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, you can go down and you 396 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 3: can go up, you know, all of it. That's that's 397 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: what everybody should just embrace. You know, it's a TV 398 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: show that you're there to root for people. It's like 399 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: having teams. You know, I like this team, you like 400 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 3: that team. But when it gets dark and weird and 401 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 3: I hate this person and I wish they would die, Like, 402 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 3: that's another level that is really unfortunate, and I think 403 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 3: it's really hurt the franchise because it's just not that deep. 404 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 3: It's a freaking TV show. 405 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, well said. 406 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 3: Thanks. 407 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: On the other hand, we have a book which is 408 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: very serious business. Give me a little QBC moment for 409 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: you better believe I'm going to talk about it. If 410 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: you like X, you will like this memoir. It can 411 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: be a TV moment, a meme. 412 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: Anything, well I need. 413 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: If you like my Instagram, if you follow me on Instagram, 414 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: if you like all the memes that you've seen about 415 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: me over the years. If you liked the eminem if 416 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: you like the "It's couture honey, look at the tag." If 417 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 3: you like "were people doing coke in your bathroom?" If 418 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 3: you like "you better believe I'm gonna talk about it," Or 419 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: "why am I here? I'm more fabulous than this," then 420 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: you will love this book because I just go into 421 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 3: everything and I just pade a picture over the last 422 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 3: I don't know, thirty five years of my life, and 423 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 3: I think that you will be moved, you will laugh. 424 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 3: The audiobook I do myself, and I will say it's 425 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 3: it's pretty darned good because I've never done an audiobook before. 426 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 3: And if you want to listen to me telling these stories, 427 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 3: I think it's a home run. And I think that 428 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: you're gonna laugh, you're gonna cry, and by the way, 429 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 3: you're just gonna have a good time. So it'll make 430 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: you feel good. And whether you listen to it or 431 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: read it, it will be an added bonus to your 432 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 3: book collection. 433 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: And what's the best way for people to read the memoir? 434 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: Do they need to be like kicked back on the 435 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: couch with a drink in hand, a xanax? 436 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: What are we talking? 437 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 3: Well, it's cute because people send me photos of themselves 438 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 3: with the book, and I think the ones I like 439 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: the best are they're out on a pool, buy a 440 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: pool at the beach with a cocktail. That's how it 441 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 3: is so cute? Is it cute? Oh my gosh. People 442 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 3: send me just pictures of the audio book like they 443 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 3: just want to share, like what chapter they loved or 444 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 3: where they're reading it. It's so cute. I love it. 445 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 3: But I think the ones that are like out by 446 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 3: a pool, you know, because the weather's been so horrible, 447 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 3: it makes me go, oh, they're having a good time. 448 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 3: Oh that's great, they're on vacation. 449 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: I love that. 450 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: Okay, what's something that you're so obsessed with that you 451 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: could write a whole book about it but you probably won't. 452 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 3: Well, fashion, all the designers, the history of fashion. Yeah, 453 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 3: the history of fashion. I mean I just go on 454 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 3: and on and on and on and on. I'm so 455 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: moved by it. I love it so much. 456 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: I feel like we do have to talk about the 457 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: fashion on your book cover because your fashion archive is 458 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: very elite. I saw that on the show you were 459 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: letting your daughters try on old dresses like you're old versace. Yeah, 460 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: tell me about the look from your book cover. What 461 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: was the inspo and what was the mood board? 462 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: Like there was a lot of pressure, like how am 463 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 3: I gonna come up with this after the whole run 464 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 3: of fashion? Right? Like, We've had a really good run 465 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 3: of all the fashion. And I work with Daniel Brown, 466 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 3: who's my stylist, and we're just really good together creating visuals. 467 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 3: And I don't think about it too much. I don't 468 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 3: think he thinks about it too much. And he just 469 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 3: brings a bunch of stuff. I go, I love that. 470 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: I love that. Let's do that. We just put things 471 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 3: together and take pictures and then go, oh, I like that. 472 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: So it's not really that hard. I love Mark Jacobs. 473 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: That was the Mark Jacobs dress. He said, what about 474 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 3: red gloves and red tights and those shoes? I go, great, 475 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: Like it doesn't get thought out as much as you 476 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 3: think it might. When it feels right, it feels right. 477 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 3: I'm not super particular and I'm not super in my 478 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: head about it. I try to just go with my 479 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: gut and if I think something looks good and I 480 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: feel good in it. 481 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: Let's go. You're at Reese's book Club. 482 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: We're excited to share more ways for readers to dive 483 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: deeper into the books they love, and WhatsApp helps you 484 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: do just that. 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Our online communities are 497 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 4: designed to bring the joy of reading into your daily 498 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 4: life wherever you're reading, So when you're ready, head over 499 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 4: to our show notes and click the link to join 500 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 4: the conversation on WhatsApp. Okay, so this is sort of 501 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 4: an unhinged question, Lisa, but I was in San Francisco 502 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 4: last week and I went to a drag show and 503 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 4: there was a drag queen impersonating you, which was incredible. 504 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 3: I love that so much. By the way, I love 505 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 3: it's so fun when people send me that. I love 506 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,959 Speaker 3: to see it. I love to see it. 507 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like it happens because you're so larger 508 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: than life when you put on the character. If you 509 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: were a drag queen, who would you impersonate? 510 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, well, Erica jane Is would be great and 511 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 3: easy because she's over the job and big and yes, 512 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 3: you know. I had so much fun when I dressed 513 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: up as her for Halloween. So that was girl for sure. 514 00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 3: I mean Liza Minelli, Barb streisand Elizabeth Taylor, you know, 515 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 3: the big, iconic, strong, visually out there women. 516 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 2: Now part of your press tour that I liked. 517 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: I saw Watch What Happens Live and it seemed like 518 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: you and Andy Cohen kind of made up a little bit, 519 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: which I thought it was cool that you kind of 520 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: made up over this book. 521 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: Me too. I didn't expect it because I throw his 522 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 3: book in the fireplace and burn it, and I thought 523 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 3: it would be a problem. I thought it'd be an issue. 524 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 3: Right when I first got to see him really was 525 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: he did the hosting for the Traders reunion, so we 526 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: had a moment there when he said to me, I 527 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: have read your book and I want you to know 528 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 3: that I am really sorry that I put your text 529 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 3: messages in my book because I had an issue he 530 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 3: said with Jeff Lewis, and Jeff Lewis was, you know, 531 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: talking about my text messages on his podcast and it 532 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 3: really pissed me off, and he said, I just want 533 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 3: you to know I'm really sorry that I did that, 534 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: and that right there was such a big deal to 535 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 3: me that I thought, Wow, that's really cool that he 536 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 3: was able to connect that because it really didn't feel 537 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 3: good for him, and then he was able to apologize 538 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: to me. So that's what started it, I feel like. 539 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 3: And then I decided to go and watch what happens 540 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 3: like because I really wasn't going to do that. I 541 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 3: just didn't want to kind of go back into that arena. 542 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: And then after that happened on the Traders, I thought, 543 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 3: maybe I need to do that, Maybe I need to 544 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 3: full circle just go there and see what happens. And yeah, 545 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 3: I didn't know what would happen really but I felt 546 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 3: better about it because he had apologized for that. And 547 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: then when he said what he said on the show, 548 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 3: I was so moved by it because you know, he 549 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: really meant it, and he was really pointing out something 550 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 3: really that was really meaningful to him. And that translated 551 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: to me that I mattered and that I really meant 552 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 3: something to him in that eight year period, and so 553 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 3: it was very very healing, I think for both of us. 554 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: I do I really like how you put that, because 555 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,959 Speaker 1: when I watched that, I felt like he did mean 556 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: it too. 557 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: He meant it, and it was more than just you know, 558 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 3: thank you for showing up to the two most important 559 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 3: events in my life. I really got what he meant 560 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: by it, and it really meant the world to me. 561 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 3: And he did it in a public forum, and you know, 562 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 3: it was a really cool moment and I will never 563 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 3: forget it. 564 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: Did writing the book repair or rupture any other relationships 565 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: in your life? 566 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 3: Oh? I'm sure ruptured a few, but they were already roptured, 567 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 3: so it doesn't matter. I mean, there was a ruptured 568 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 3: or ruptured, and you know, sometimes you just can't fix everything. 569 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 3: You can't fix relationships that the other side doesn't want 570 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 3: to fix, You can apologize. You can always clean up 571 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: your side of the street, which I always do. By 572 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 3: the way, if they don't want to, that is not 573 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 3: on you. You just got to keep moving forward. So 574 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: that's what I do. So there was more prepare, more 575 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,239 Speaker 3: repairing than rupturing, because the ones I talked about that 576 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 3: weren't great, they were already ruptured, so it didn't matter. 577 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to ask you one unhinched question, 578 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: but I think I'm gonna be asking you to, uh, 579 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: what's the worst thing that you think someone is going 580 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: to do to your book? 581 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: And who's going to do it? 582 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: Because you burned Andy's book in your fireplace, I feel 583 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: like karmically something's gonna happen to your book, le SiGe out. 584 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 3: I'm sure it already has, maybe run over by like 585 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 3: a semi truck, run over by semi truck. You can 586 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 3: throw it in the ocean. You can throw it in 587 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 3: the lake. You can hit it with a baseball vall 588 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 3: you put it and like hit it with a baseball bat. 589 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 3: You could pound on it with a baseball bat. 590 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: Hilarious. 591 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 3: You know there's many things you could do. 592 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: So you mentioned traders briefly and By the way, I 593 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: have the audio book, so I'm not doing anything to 594 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: your book, I promise, besides savoring it. 595 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: Thank you. 596 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: But we talked about Traders briefly, and it was your 597 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: big return to reality TV. I feel you like you 598 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: really subverted what the idea of a villain is and 599 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: you were like the people's trader. 600 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 2: Everyone was so obsessed with you in the show. 601 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: What tips or tools or tricks did you use from 602 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: your time at Real Housewives. 603 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 3: I didn't use emmy none, I no, I didn't use emmy. 604 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 3: My goal was to go on Traders and just be 605 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 3: my authentic self, not do anything other than what I 606 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 3: would do, whether I'm a faith or a trader. And 607 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: then once I became a trader, you know you have 608 00:31:52,720 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 3: to lie. You can't ever say what you are. You're backstabbing, lying, murdering, which, 609 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 3: by the way, was heaven. I loved it so much. 610 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 3: I did. I just I think because I was having 611 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 3: such a good time. That's why the audience reacted the 612 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 3: way they did. I had the time in my life 613 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 3: and I just was being me in the moment playing 614 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 3: a trader, and it seemed to just connect to people. 615 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, But what was so fun about it, Like, 616 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: why were you having such a good time? 617 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 3: You know, because it's a game. I think the fact 618 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 3: that it's a game was very helpful to my psyche 619 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 3: because number one, you cannot take a game seriously. It 620 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,239 Speaker 3: is not real life. It is nothing other than we 621 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 3: are playing a game. And for me, that is why 622 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 3: it came off the way it did. I truly believe 623 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 3: that because I didn't take it seriously like it was 624 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 3: life or death. It's a game, playing a game. It's fun. 625 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: Games are fun. 626 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: But you did sort of take the like the speech 627 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: that you gave when you were voted out, you did 628 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: take it seriously because you got emotional and you said 629 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: it was just so nice to be me, yes. 630 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 3: And so I really got emotional because also it is 631 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 3: just it's something that really cracked me open. After having 632 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 3: the experience that I had the last part of Housewives, 633 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 3: this was so amazing and joyous and I could be 634 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: myself and I knew that something had happened. I knew 635 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 3: after I was done that the world would get to 636 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,239 Speaker 3: see me in a much more authentic light. And I 637 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 3: was just super emotional about that because I didn't know 638 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 3: if that would ever happen for me. You know, I 639 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 3: never thought I would necessarily get a second chance to 640 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 3: express and show who I am. So it was almost 641 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 3: like this relief of like I don't have to like 642 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 3: hold on to that anymore. I'm free. 643 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: Wow, I'm so happy you had that experience. That's really nice. 644 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 3: It was. It was really unexpected and yet so so fulfilling. 645 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: It really was because I was able to have all 646 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 3: my emotions about everything, and then I was like, listen, 647 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: Rob played a brilliant game. I can't be mad at him. 648 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 3: You know, he did what you're supposed to do as 649 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 3: a trader. 650 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: But you know what I'm hearing, and tell me if 651 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: I'm right or wrong? 652 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 3: Is that? 653 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: Like you're so aware that reality TV is a job, 654 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: and so you are okay with people misunderstanding you, But 655 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: to feel like you were understood sounds like such a gift, 656 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 1: like you were kind of secretly longing for it. 657 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 3: Not even secretly. I was longing for it because it 658 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 3: can be very frustrating when you feel misrepresented, when you 659 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 3: feel like people think you're one way. It was really frustrating, 660 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 3: especially hard for me because I'm so much more and 661 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 3: I'm so not like what my last year on Housewives 662 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 3: was I mean, I was grieving for the loss of 663 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 3: my mother and so to be labeled that for the 664 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 3: rest of my life I was really frustrated by. So 665 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 3: this was such a release that people got to see 666 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 3: me and embrace me for who I am. 667 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: Would you ever return to reality TV in a way 668 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: that people got to see more of who you really are? 669 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 3: Sure? I mean I never say never, except I won't 670 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 3: go back to Housewives. That's an ever. But I'm always 671 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 3: open to those kinds of experiences because you never know 672 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 3: what it could be. So yes, I am open to that. 673 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: There's something I'm personally curious about that I want to 674 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: ask you a sort of a logistics question, which is 675 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: I've always been curious about reality TV, like the wait 676 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: time between filming and airing, and the same is actually 677 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: true for publishing, like you wrote the book and then 678 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: Traders aired, and then the book hit the shelves. Is 679 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: there anything that you feel differently about now, like something 680 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: you would have written about. 681 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 3: I've evolved since I wrote the book. I'm not in 682 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 3: the same place that I was when I wrote the book. 683 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 3: There's been a lot of evolution, and I feel differently 684 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 3: about many things, and I would react differently in many ways, 685 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 3: and that's just the evolution of life. So yes to 686 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 3: all of that. 687 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: Well, what would you have written about if Traders had 688 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: filmed before you stopped writing. 689 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure I would have written anything differently. 690 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 3: I feel differently about certain things, Like I've evolved to 691 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 3: a place that maybe I was really worked up about 692 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 3: or really like deep into and now doesn't even register, 693 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Like, I've outgrown a 694 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 3: lot of the situations that I had major, major feelings about, 695 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 3: and now I don't feel the same way about it. 696 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 3: So I'm not sure I would write anything differently. I'm 697 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 3: just a different person now than when I wrote the book, 698 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 3: which I think is great, Like thank. 699 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: God, right, I mean, it's part of the fact that 700 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: you love growth. 701 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 702 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,479 Speaker 1: I actually sort of have this armchair theory that when 703 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: public figures don't evolve, that's when we get tired of them. 704 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: Like we allowed Howard Stern to stay in the zeitgeist. 705 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: I think because he evolved. 706 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 3: I think you're right about that. I do think you're 707 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 3: right about that. Absolutely. I'd never thought about that, but 708 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 3: now that you say it, I think you're absolutely right. 709 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: So it was so fun for me to read about 710 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: some of these old stories that you wrote about, like 711 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: Hollywood in the seventies and eighties and nineties, Like it 712 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: was just the people that you have met, Oh my god, 713 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,479 Speaker 1: the people that you have been at dinner with. 714 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 2: Is there a story from like that? 715 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: Is there a story that didn't make the book but 716 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: it was just amazing and you had to leave it 717 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: on the cutting room floor. 718 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 3: I don't know. I really tell a lot of the 719 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 3: great stories. I mean, I'm sure there's there's so many. 720 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 3: Like in the nineties, there's so much and so many 721 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 3: parties we used to go to at the Davis's house 722 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 3: and you know, so much money spent, and Sylvester Stallone 723 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 3: is there and like all just made your people. Whitney 724 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 3: Houston is up singing. I saw Mariah Carrie sing probably 725 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 3: her very first time on stage. Like wow. I can 726 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 3: tell you stories of those kinds of things, going to 727 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 3: these events and seeing these singers that are such icons 728 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 3: now that we're just you know, David Foster's there with 729 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 3: them giving them their first start, their first moment. I 730 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 3: have tons of those stories, and it was just a 731 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 3: really incredible time. The nineties were amazing. I mean just amazing. 732 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: So I have a friend whose husband was a party promoter, 733 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: which maybe is a red flag, but he's a good 734 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: guy now, and he was telling me that he felt 735 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: like social media changed his business because people used to 736 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: go to the clubs to see what people were wearing 737 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: and to see what the trends were, and with social media, 738 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: you could you could see everything on your phone. You 739 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: didn't need to get up off the couch to see 740 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: what people were wearing. As some who's lived through what 741 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: I think is like the golden era of Hollywood. 742 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 2: What do you think social media has changed? 743 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: And now you're kind of living it with your daughters, 744 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: I think you have such an interesting advantage point. 745 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it has changed, and it's exactly that, 746 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 3: Like people aren't going out as much, people aren't drinking 747 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 3: as much. Like there's so many things that have changed, 748 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 3: because it's right at our fingertips. But I think what's 749 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 3: missing is going out and living life. I think people 750 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 3: are staying home, they're not dating as much, they're not 751 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 3: meeting as many people, and I think that's that's a 752 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 3: shame and that's a problem. I think that they're just 753 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 3: not living as much and there's much more fear created, 754 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 3: I think from seeing it and not getting out and 755 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 3: living it. 756 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 2: Have you ever been starstreg Lisa, Oh my god, I'm 757 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 2: starstruck all the time. 758 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? I'm like a stupid little fan 759 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 3: from Medfred Oregon and oh I can act such a fool. 760 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 3: But I was more starstruck than I've ever been when 761 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,439 Speaker 3: I met Tom Ford at I would to have any 762 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 3: fair party I talked about in the book, like twenty 763 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 3: seven years ago, and I'll never forget. You know, all 764 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 3: these stars. There's Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and like 765 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 3: you name it, they're there. And all of a sudden, 766 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 3: I see tom Ford walk in and I grab Harry 767 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 3: and I go, oh, oh my god, tom Ford's here, 768 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 3: And of course I marched over and met him, and 769 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 3: like I there's certain people that just really get me, 770 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 3: and he was one of them, and shared you that 771 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 3: to me too. 772 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 2: That is so cool. 773 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to close out our conversation with a 774 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: little game. I heard that you're craving a big acting role, 775 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: so we're going to devise this gig for you. 776 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 3: Okay, are you. 777 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: A killer a hot assassin? We're going to see so 778 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: let's first set the scene. 779 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 2: Where are we. 780 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,720 Speaker 3: Budapest? 781 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:03,240 Speaker 2: Ooh, what era? What decade are we in? And your character? 782 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,479 Speaker 2: What's their cover job? 783 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 3: She works in a bakery, but she's a spy. Mm hmm. 784 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 2: What's her signature outfit? What's her look? 785 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 3: She's very androgynous and she wears like a is it 786 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 3: a page boy cap? 787 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 2: Yes? 788 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,919 Speaker 3: Yes? And like a vest and trousers. 789 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 2: I love it. And how does she kill? 790 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 3: What's her mode poison? Ooh, Lisa, Yeah, undetectable poison. 791 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 2: Now who does she kill? 792 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:48,439 Speaker 3: Ex husbands who have have abused and cheated and and 793 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 3: like harassed their wives. She's a vigilantie. That's that's killing 794 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 3: the men that have abused women. 795 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 2: Does she ever get caught? 796 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 3: No, I'm okay almost, but then she calls in love 797 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 3: with the FBI agent that almost catches her. 798 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: Oh, and she because I was gonna say, what's the twist? 799 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: But that's the twist. Lisa, there, you are amazing. You're 800 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: so much fun. 801 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 2: Thank you for this. 802 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 3: You're so much fun. What a great interview. Thank you 803 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 3: so much. 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