Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined alongside my partner West had
Speaker 1: cooits were coming to you here from our studios at
Speaker 1: lambeau Field and West. It is a Monday, and it's
Speaker 1: a victory Monday for the Green Bay Packers. That feels
Speaker 1: pretty good to say, thirty four to twenty over the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons on Sunday at lambeau Field, a victory for
Speaker 1: interim head coach Joe Philbin in his Green Bay Packers
Speaker 1: head coaching debut. I'm not sure where you want to
Speaker 1: start with this one, but a lot of good things
Speaker 1: happening on both sides of the ball here for the
Speaker 1: Packers on Sunday afternoon, and there was one common traite, Mike,
Speaker 1: that went for both the offense, defense, even the special teams.
Speaker 1: I thought there was a lot of energy. I thought
Speaker 1: there was a lot of through husiasm, and I wrote
Speaker 1: about it and what ended up being our sidebar or
Speaker 1: locker room report talking to some of these guys in
Speaker 1: the locker room afterwards, just how people had bought into
Speaker 1: what Joe Philbin was saying this week. It was as
Speaker 1: tumultuous as a time as the Green Bay Packers have
Speaker 1: had to go through here in fifteen years. And Joe
Speaker 1: Philbin hit all the right notes with those players. Offensively,
Speaker 1: they knew him, they were they were familiar with them,
Speaker 1: they were comfortable with them. The veterans that have been
Speaker 1: around during his first stint in the young guys that
Speaker 1: had bought into him since he came back. But defensively,
Speaker 1: he needed to sort of, I don't want to say,
Speaker 1: prove himself, but introduce himself to a lot of guys
Speaker 1: who didn't really deal with him on a daily basis
Speaker 1: from where his position was as the offensive coordinators. So
Speaker 1: in that regard, I thought the Packers I said all
Speaker 1: week long, I thought this was gonna go one of
Speaker 1: two ways for the Packers. I didn't see a middle ground.
Speaker 1: I thought they were either gonna come out and play
Speaker 1: like champions, or I thought they were gonna look deflated.
Speaker 1: And they came out looking like champions. Yeah, they came
Speaker 1: out right from the get go. And don't get me
Speaker 1: started on the challenges and the replay reviews, or I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say something about the command center in New York
Speaker 1: City that will get me fired. Um. But moving past that,
Speaker 1: the Falcons jump on top seven and nothing, and the
Speaker 1: Packers then respond not only with a touchdown, but with
Speaker 1: thirty four consecutive points before the Packers defense allowed Atlanta
Speaker 1: to score again. The game was well in hand then
Speaker 1: in the second half at thirty four to seven. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of things that I liked about this
Speaker 1: game West, and I think I think for me, it
Speaker 1: just started with the very beginning, the first offensive possession,
Speaker 1: and I know people were wondering, why aren't the Packers
Speaker 1: trying to run the ball and all this, I think
Speaker 1: the game plan was clear in terms of getting Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers into a rhythm and into some kind of a
Speaker 1: comfort zone. Because I was keeping track during that first possession.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers dropped back to past eight times on that drive,
Speaker 1: if you include the defensive past interference that was part
Speaker 1: of that drive, eight times he drove back to pass,
Speaker 1: and seven of those eight times the ball was out
Speaker 1: on time and in rhythm. Only once was there to
Speaker 1: hold the ball, scramble around and look for another guy
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And I just thought that set the
Speaker 1: tone for the way this offense needs to play. I
Speaker 1: thought it put the Falcons defense on its heels right
Speaker 1: away from the get go to have Aaron Rodgers in
Speaker 1: that kind of a rhythm, and that really paid off
Speaker 1: through the first three quarters as the Packers built a
Speaker 1: big lead. So, you know, all week long they made
Speaker 1: such a big deal. Not a big deal, but people
Speaker 1: pointed out that Joe Philbin hadn't been an offensive coordinea
Speaker 1: calling get you know plays since his time back in Northeastern.
Speaker 1: But what was interesting to me on that first series
Speaker 1: in particular, you know what that reminded me a lot
Speaker 1: of two thousand eleven in that they were using a
Speaker 1: short passing game, quick passing game to get the offense moving.
Speaker 1: There was no regard whatsoever for the run. Early on,
Speaker 1: Jamal Williams started the game. Second play, he was out there.
Speaker 1: He ends up picking up uh, you know, Russia come
Speaker 1: and off the edge by himself. So they made it
Speaker 1: a point to get Aaron Rodgers into a rhythm, and
Speaker 1: they use multiple personnel personnel packages to do that, a
Speaker 1: lot of players shuffling in and out from the sideline
Speaker 1: play after playoff play, and then what happened then in
Speaker 1: the second half, then you start to get the run
Speaker 1: going with Aaron Jones I have one of the funnier things.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Aaron Jones in the locker room.
Speaker 1: They ran that screen right that went from minus one
Speaker 1: yard and I kind of said, I was like, so,
Speaker 1: what was going through your mind? Then when they dial
Speaker 1: up the same exact play to the right side, He's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're never going to see this coming. You know, when
Speaker 1: you have a play that quote unquote fails like that,
Speaker 1: why would you run the same exact thing to the
Speaker 1: other side. The Packers do that, they get the first down,
Speaker 1: the fifteen yards, Aaron Jones starts rolling after that, fifty
Speaker 1: total yards of offense on that drive ending with the
Speaker 1: twenty nine yard touchdown. It was really I thought interesting
Speaker 1: and maybe even poetic that this game ended without I mean,
Speaker 1: Davante Adams had a fine game, Aaron Jones had a
Speaker 1: fine game. Aaron Rodgers stats were fine, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: a dominating performance by one individual player. You heard the
Speaker 1: term complimentary football a lot, and whether it was offense
Speaker 1: or defense. With the shot Brilon stepping up with a
Speaker 1: pick six, Clay Matthews I thought had a really good game.
Speaker 1: They complimented both sides of the football there and realistically,
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the best game that they've played
Speaker 1: going back to that Week four matchup against the Bills. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit more about that
Speaker 1: in terms of some things that we saw that we
Speaker 1: hadn't necessarily seen from the Packers, but real quickly, the
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Speaker 1: All right, West, If you were to ask me, what
Speaker 1: were the two things that we saw in this game
Speaker 1: that we just haven't seen in through these through the
Speaker 1: Packers struggles over the last month and a half, it
Speaker 1: was converting on third down and it was getting a
Speaker 1: big game changing play from the defense the third downs
Speaker 1: seven out of thirteen. Maybe it is because I finally
Speaker 1: went through all of the horrible, crappy numbers on third down.
Speaker 1: On last Friday Show, the Packers had converted eight third
Speaker 1: downs in their last three games combined. They converted seven
Speaker 1: on Sunday. That that tells you right there how much
Speaker 1: of an improvement it was. Now a couple of those
Speaker 1: were Aaron Rodgers scrambles. It wasn't that everything was smooth
Speaker 1: and hunky dory and completely in rhythm on third down.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to convert seven out of thirteen,
Speaker 1: you take that anytime. And then on the defensive side,
Speaker 1: Bashad Brill and getting that pick six. The Falcons make
Speaker 1: the mistake on special teams after the Packers score. I
Speaker 1: forget the returner's name, but he must the kickoff, he
Speaker 1: must the kickoff at the goal line, and he only
Speaker 1: gets out to what is that the eight yard line?
Speaker 1: So the Falcons are in a field position bind. And
Speaker 1: then sure enough, a few plays later, Matt Ryan tries
Speaker 1: to force one in there, and Bryland is there for
Speaker 1: the pick and he just waltzes into the end zone.
Speaker 1: Suddenly a seven game, Marvin Hall right, Suddenly a ten
Speaker 1: seven game is is seventeen to seven. The Packers are
Speaker 1: in complete control and that defense is riding high. The
Speaker 1: last interception the Packers had was Brilan's at Lambeau Field
Speaker 1: against Miami right three three, three, four weeks prior, whatever
Speaker 1: it was, and it was the first pick six by
Speaker 1: a Green Bay Packers defender since Week five of last
Speaker 1: season at Dallas. So we talk all the time about
Speaker 1: how big those types of plays are, and yeah, in
Speaker 1: a thirty four to twenty game, you know, it kind
Speaker 1: of just becomes another play. But at the time ten
Speaker 1: to seven second quarter and it goes to seventeen to seven,
Speaker 1: I thought it really took whatever whatever energy the Falcons
Speaker 1: might have had from getting a touchdown on their opening drive.
Speaker 1: It was gone by them. You know, there's three things
Speaker 1: It's like West Hodds, three things always here that really
Speaker 1: stood out to me about this defensive performance. The first
Speaker 1: one is I gotta tip your cap to Mike Petton
Speaker 1: Joe ed Jr. For what they did with the defensive
Speaker 1: passing game. Here's the deal, Mike, you don't have Kevin King,
Speaker 1: He's gone the rest of the year hamstring injury. In reserve.
Speaker 1: We'll see in So they start three rookie cornerbacks with
Speaker 1: Hermont Williams playing safety, jire Alexander, Josh Jackson, and Tony
Speaker 1: Brown in undrafted rookie who started the season on the
Speaker 1: team's practice squad. You have Bishod Brillan available. He's up,
Speaker 1: he has he's coming off the growing injury. It would
Speaker 1: have been really enticing for a past defense that has
Speaker 1: had to weather a lot of injuries. He finally get
Speaker 1: somebody back here to throw Brilon out there and just
Speaker 1: you know, put the pedal to the medal. Petton didn't
Speaker 1: do that. Wit didn't do that. They were very strategic
Speaker 1: with how they used him. He even mentioned it afterwards
Speaker 1: Breland did, and that there, you know, he was on
Speaker 1: kind of a rep count. They wanted to be smart
Speaker 1: with them because they don't want to have one more
Speaker 1: aggravation that could be the season. Well, didn't we see,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry to interrupt you, didn't we see at
Speaker 1: one point early a defensive package with eight defensive wasn't
Speaker 1: one of them eight defensive backs on the field and
Speaker 1: Brian was still on the sideline. That's how careful they
Speaker 1: were being with Eddie Pleasant and Will Redmond entered in
Speaker 1: that package and Brian was still on the sideline. So
Speaker 1: here's the deal. Breland finally comes in, makes the tackle
Speaker 1: right before that play, and then, as he's done so
Speaker 1: many times now throughout his career, is able to just
Speaker 1: perfectly time his jump. He knew it was basically one
Speaker 1: of two routes that they were gonna be looking for
Speaker 1: on that play to Hooper gets in front of the
Speaker 1: ball and he's off to the end zone. The other
Speaker 1: thing I really liked about, you know, this whole defensive
Speaker 1: performances and not to be labor what you're trying to
Speaker 1: avoid early on with that, the two upheld challenges, make
Speaker 1: of them what you will. I'm sure at some point
Speaker 1: this offseason you and I are gonna be doing a
Speaker 1: Packer's unscripted talking about, Hey, we still don't know what
Speaker 1: it catches. But here's the thing I really liked about it,
Speaker 1: and the thing that you know, Jyr Alexander, Truman, Williams,
Speaker 1: Clay Matthews, a number of guys talked about in the
Speaker 1: locker room that same thing. Was saying about, how you know,
Speaker 1: Joe Philbin's still sort of introducing himself to this defense.
Speaker 1: He can talk until he is blew in the face
Speaker 1: about unity and respect, accountability, all the things that he
Speaker 1: preaches as a head coach, but until you are in
Speaker 1: the heat of battle, you don't know what it's like
Speaker 1: playing for a coach. JR. Alexander said it right from
Speaker 1: the beginning. He was matching Julio Jones having a head
Speaker 1: coach step up and say, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw their challenge flag on the first one, which wasn't
Speaker 1: a catch. I don't care if if me in my
Speaker 1: nephew aiden are playing football in the backyard, I would say,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, son. That wasn't a care. Absolutely no way
Speaker 1: on God's green Earth that that was a reception two
Speaker 1: plays later, more of a traditional challenge where it was
Speaker 1: you know is Julio Jones and tough call. Joe Philbin
Speaker 1: is at a point right there where he has to
Speaker 1: make a decision do I want to challenge this and
Speaker 1: don't have any challenges the rest of the game doesn't
Speaker 1: mean enough to me? And Jr. Alexander said this. Traumont
Speaker 1: Williams said it. That was the quintessential moment of a
Speaker 1: head coach saying you know what, I have your back,
Speaker 1: I trust your talent. And even though they both got upheld,
Speaker 1: I think that gave this defense some juice. They ended
Speaker 1: up scoring on that drive, no question about it. But
Speaker 1: the next five or six possessions, I forget what it was.
Speaker 1: They hold the Falcons six possessions, six possessions, no points.
Speaker 1: They caught a break. They caught a break with the
Speaker 1: one botched third down by Matt Ryan where he lost
Speaker 1: the handle in the ball and lost a bunch of
Speaker 1: yards and then they missed the field goal. But other
Speaker 1: than that, the other the other five possessions, one of
Speaker 1: them being the six pick the pick six, excuse me.
Speaker 1: The other five possessions no points, no, no even real
Speaker 1: threatening to score then until the game was thirty four
Speaker 1: to seven and it was well inhanded, incredible, And I
Speaker 1: think that that was one of the things when you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a chance to talk to Mike pett Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I have to imagine Mike Petton appreciated that, because
Speaker 1: when you're in the heat, when when things are going down,
Speaker 1: you give a forty eight yards off the first two
Speaker 1: plays that you feel are not completions. You need to
Speaker 1: be able to show that you're willing to step up
Speaker 1: for your guys. I think Joe Philbin did that. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: you said it. The defensive players felt that their head coach,
Speaker 1: their new head coach, their interim head coach, whatever you
Speaker 1: wanna call it, had their back with those early challenges.
Speaker 1: As dubious as the strategy might have been, and Philbin
Speaker 1: admitted that after the game that throwing the second challenge
Speaker 1: flag less than two minutes into the game probably not
Speaker 1: not necessarily the um the smartest move from a strategic
Speaker 1: standpoint to make. But we saw at the end of
Speaker 1: the first half, Aaron Rodgers takes a shot from Atlanta
Speaker 1: defensive back Brian Pool as he scrambles, goes into a slide,
Speaker 1: takes a pretty big whack to the back of the shoulder,
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere on on the back side there. Didn't
Speaker 1: didn't hit him in the head, didn't hit him with
Speaker 1: his head as far as I could tell. But a
Speaker 1: Packers offensive line down three starters, playing with three reserves
Speaker 1: in Lucas Patrick, Justin McCrae, and Jason Spriggs, all filling
Speaker 1: in up front, the first guy down the field to
Speaker 1: defend Mr Rogers and ended up creating a little bit
Speaker 1: of a melee, if you want to call it that.
Speaker 1: In the in the middle of the field there is
Speaker 1: Lucas Patrick, the former undrafted player out of Duke and Uh.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers said it flat out after the game. As
Speaker 1: far as his teammates reaction to him getting hit like that,
Speaker 1: he said, I loved it. Yeah, the moose stashed enforcer.
Speaker 1: As I said on Twitter right afterwards. If you don't
Speaker 1: any thing about Lucas Patrick though, and you know, I
Speaker 1: believe this is only his third career NFL start, but
Speaker 1: if you go to training camp practices, if you go
Speaker 1: to some of these preseason games, he's not afraid to
Speaker 1: mix it up. And I think you always have to
Speaker 1: have some of those guys. T J. Laying was one
Speaker 1: of those guys. Evan Smith was one of those guys.
Speaker 1: Has always been one of the other side of the ball.
Speaker 1: YEP that if you got to step up for your teammates,
Speaker 1: you have to step up for your quarterback. You're gonna
Speaker 1: do that. You know. You can get into a whole
Speaker 1: discussion on whether or not Pool's hit was illegal or illegal,
Speaker 1: I think from the law, the rule of what am
Speaker 1: I trying to stay here, the law of the land,
Speaker 1: letter of the law. Thank you, Michael English major Communications
Speaker 1: major uh is that it probably was a clean hit,
Speaker 1: but it was a rough physical hit. Pool left his
Speaker 1: body and and threw his shoulder almost his head into
Speaker 1: the back of Rogers. So here comes three and eight
Speaker 1: pound Lucas Patrick and his buddy Corey Linsley charging down
Speaker 1: the field and they went right into the fray. Patrick
Speaker 1: ends up getting into a little bit of a dust
Speaker 1: up with d On Jones. Very interested to see what
Speaker 1: the league does with Dion Jones, because I know Jones
Speaker 1: was the first one to throw a punch, right I was.
Speaker 1: I was surprised, I said to you sitting in the
Speaker 1: press box. As soon as it happened, when Jones kind
Speaker 1: of jumped on top of everybody, you could see him
Speaker 1: swing his arm. I'm like, well, there's an ejection and
Speaker 1: they didn't throw him now. But I think he's going
Speaker 1: to get one of those FedEx envelopes in his locker
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, don't you think. Yeah. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: just not get a paycheck this week. I mean Honestly,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough thing. I don't know what
Speaker 1: his his stuff had been in the past. But here's
Speaker 1: the deal. As far as Lucas Patrick getting back to
Speaker 1: the original point here, Mike, this is a guy that
Speaker 1: if you remember him from two years ago, over two
Speaker 1: years ago. Now he comes into the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1: He's on a tryout right at rookie orientation camp. They
Speaker 1: bring him in, they give him a couple of meals,
Speaker 1: they tap him on the head, say good job, son,
Speaker 1: They send him on his way. He's getting ready to
Speaker 1: move on to his real the real world, and the
Speaker 1: Packers end up calling him back. They give him a
Speaker 1: chance to come into training camp the next year, doesn't
Speaker 1: make the roster, but ends up on the practice squad
Speaker 1: the whole year, and then last year due to probably
Speaker 1: a lot of attrition and injuries on the offensive line,
Speaker 1: he ends up making the roster with Justin mccraie as
Speaker 1: their backup interior offensive lineman. This is a guy that
Speaker 1: has been through the back roads of the NFL and
Speaker 1: and one of the things he mentioned the locker room
Speaker 1: afterwards is Aaron Rodgers in what he's done for him
Speaker 1: kind of having his arm around his shoulder and having
Speaker 1: his back over the years as a formal tryout guy,
Speaker 1: now protecting the highest paid quarterback in the NFL. Rogers
Speaker 1: has been there, he supported him, and with given the opportunity,
Speaker 1: he wants to reciprocate. He wants to have Rogers back.
Speaker 1: He's not afraid. He was asked about, Okay, you were
Speaker 1: pretty light with the offensive line. If you get tossed there,
Speaker 1: did you think about what that can mean? And he's like, no,
Speaker 1: I really didn't. That didn't enter my head. But he
Speaker 1: said it was a reaction. He wanted to go out
Speaker 1: there and have his quarterbacks back. And Davante Adams, I thought,
Speaker 1: had a really interesting quote too, you know, as a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl receiver kind of having a knowledge of of
Speaker 1: Patrick saying, this is one of the toughest guys I've
Speaker 1: been around. So I don't know if it's the stash,
Speaker 1: but obviously it meant a lot for the Packers to
Speaker 1: see him step up. Well, it's certainly meant a lot
Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers and Rogers also referenced in his postgame
Speaker 1: press conference the a similar type of situation two years
Speaker 1: ago down in Tennessee. Rogers Packers are losing the game
Speaker 1: by a fairly large margin. But Rogers scrambles and scores
Speaker 1: a touchdown and he's three or four yards into the
Speaker 1: end zone and gets hit by a Tennessee Titans defender
Speaker 1: and a bunch of guys, as Rogers said, here comes
Speaker 1: the cavalry, like a bunch of guys really came to
Speaker 1: his his defense there. And it was actually a video
Speaker 1: clip that Rogers kept on his phone because he liked
Speaker 1: it so much of how how his guys kind of
Speaker 1: rallied around him when when he took an unnecessary shot
Speaker 1: from a defensive player there. So personally, I thought, for
Speaker 1: everything that we've seen over the last several weeks, how
Speaker 1: the Packers have come out of the locker room after
Speaker 1: halftime at Seattle at Minnesota against Arizona really being flat
Speaker 1: and not having any energy in the in the second half,
Speaker 1: I thought the fact that that happened right before halftime,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that was what all those guys were
Speaker 1: talking about in the locker room for that twelve thirteen
Speaker 1: minute intermission, I thought that had a big factor in
Speaker 1: the Packers coming out and bang bang two touchdowns on
Speaker 1: two drives to start the second half, and putting that
Speaker 1: game away. Yeah, I agree, and I mean it also.
Speaker 1: I was the headline on my sidebars that you know,
Speaker 1: this team still has a lot of fight left. I
Speaker 1: think that showed you what fight this team has left.
Speaker 1: And Rogers said that said that as well. That was
Speaker 1: one of his comments. If you're if your quarterbacks get
Speaker 1: hit like that, you aren't stepping up. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you have to go in there and start throwing haymakers
Speaker 1: that guys, but you're pushing the pile a little bit
Speaker 1: and showing him that it's not going to stand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to be able to check the temperature a
Speaker 1: little bit like that. Lucas Patrick Shure did it back
Speaker 1: in the day, just out of curiosity. Did you ever
Speaker 1: wear a mustache at all? No? I can. I can't
Speaker 1: grow one if I Patricks is pretty good. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's if if you're standing on the field and you
Speaker 1: see that man number sixty two eight pounds wearing that
Speaker 1: mustache coming after you, you know it's on. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and and somehow he avoided the unnecessary roughness penalty because
Speaker 1: they they gave it to Core. They gave it to
Speaker 1: number sixty three instead of number six. You ended up
Speaker 1: being off setting and it didn't matter, but it's how
Speaker 1: it sounded like Lindsley kind of got a kick out
Speaker 1: of that after the game when he was told the
Speaker 1: penalty was actually called on him. Yeah, it was pretty
Speaker 1: pretty funny how that works out. Now we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to see what the league has to say about that
Speaker 1: on Friday. But you know, be that as it may.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Corey Lindsley's FedEx envelope is going to end
Speaker 1: up in Lucas Patrick's locker, but by the time practices over.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, those are those are the you know,
Speaker 1: those are the type of moments where you really see
Speaker 1: what your team is made out of. And I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, credit to the offensive lineman. I mean, also
Speaker 1: give credit to Patrick and McRae and just Jason Spriggs
Speaker 1: for stepping up the way they did. I know it
Speaker 1: wasn't a percent clean performance. There's some places they want
Speaker 1: to have back, but that's a tough spot to be
Speaker 1: in to be down three offensive lineman. The Packers were
Speaker 1: up to the task. Yeah, well, it was a big
Speaker 1: weekend in NFL Football West and I know we're we're
Speaker 1: kind of up against it time wise here and with
Speaker 1: the Vikings and the Seahawks playing on Monday Night football.
Speaker 1: Let's save our discussion of the rest of the week
Speaker 1: in the league for tomorrow. We'll have a lot more
Speaker 1: time to go over everything with the Bears and the
Speaker 1: Vikings and and where everything stands, So for now, let's
Speaker 1: just call it a wrap on this edition of Packers
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