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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm back on normally the show A normal

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Speaker 2: I am mark here, and I'm Carol Markowitz. Kind of

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Speaker 2: an eventful weekend, Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and not just the snowstorm, which I, by the way,

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Speaker 1: was stuck in as we predicted last week. Not surprising,

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Speaker 1: but I did make it back. And I do want

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Speaker 1: to tell you the difference between being a boy mom

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Speaker 1: I walked in and my little boyfriend all the way

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Speaker 1: walked in, and my four year old daughter jumped off

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Speaker 1: the couch and ran toward me and then pushed me

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Speaker 1: aside dramatically to run to her father. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: your dad has gone for ninety minutes picking me up.

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Speaker 1: I've been gone for three days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this Chrack's it doesn't change as they get older either.

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Speaker 3: I have a teenage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the preteen boy is super still into me, as

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Speaker 2: is my ten year old boy. The girl. Like I

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Speaker 2: was touching her today, she was like inching away.

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Speaker 1: I just love that she's like dramatically pushed me aside.

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Speaker 2: He's back, He's back from the long drive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's back from that trip to Dulles anyway, a

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Speaker 1: moment of levity before we get into the.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I tried to take the weekend off

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Speaker 2: get back into it on Monday, so may as well

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Speaker 2: enjoy this time off. But yeah, Minnesota not looking good,

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Speaker 3: A lot going on, all right.

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Speaker 1: So this weekend we had yet another. This was a

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Speaker 1: border patrol involved shooting of a guy who was protesting SLASH,

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Speaker 1: tussle with cops. Alex Pretti was his name, a nurse

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Speaker 1: So we have now two fatalities of American citizens in

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Speaker 1: these scuffles. First of all, same as with Renee good Like,

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Speaker 1: suspect that in this case. So he was concealed carrying,

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Speaker 1: which is his perfect right to do at a protest.

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Speaker 1: Once you are confronting cops and you have a gun

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Speaker 1: learn that you would announce and a very light and

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Speaker 1: that didn't happen. This fight started again. There's all the whistling,

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Speaker 1: there's all the people crowding around. As you've seen in

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Speaker 1: each of these sort of civilian run operations against ICE enforcement.

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Speaker 1: This happened to be border control, and I suspect that

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Speaker 1: maybe there was an accidental discharge at some point as

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Speaker 1: this man was being disarmed, right, and then it sets

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's clearly not as obvious as the renee Good

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Speaker 2: happened here. They're still figuring out the facts and the

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Speaker 2: elements are taking advantage of the confusion and spreading just insanity.

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Speaker 2: Protesters are breaking windows and doors at federal buildings.

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Speaker 2: They destroyed the lobby of a hotel, the home two

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Speaker 2: and They also vandalized every single car in the parking lot,

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Speaker 2: hoping that some of them belonged to ICE agents. It's

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Speaker 2: a devastating thing that two Americans have been killed in

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Speaker 2: this way. I continue to lay the blame for this

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Speaker 2: the press that they are opposing Trump. To me, this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, as I said when after Renee Goods shooting,

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Speaker 1: And as you note, Carol, the climb down position would

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Speaker 2: It's Kevin vass Is the one who put to put

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Speaker 2: this together. Violent confrontation in these nine counties were five

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety times more likely than any of these

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Speaker 2: can't call them protesters. These aren't protests. These are riots

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, I think a good question for liberals,

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Speaker 1: all protest. I want them to be able to protest vigorously, sure,

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Speaker 1: the administration did not do its job well in talking

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Speaker 1: There is a person who is deceased. Let's not slam

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Speaker 1: And that investigation may indeed clear officers, but you need

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Speaker 1: think Christy Noman was even more out of line this

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Speaker 1: no right. And then, by the way, because you're framing

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Speaker 1: he is actually well within his rights if he has

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Speaker 1: a concealed carry to have that, even in a protest situation,

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Speaker 1: that's right. To suggest that that alone means he is

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Speaker 3: Right, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I think that's that was the recoil I saw online

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Speaker 3: It was just what are you saying?

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Speaker 2: Like, do you realize that anybody on quote your side

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Speaker 2: so yeah, I thought it was irresponsible and stupid. Definitely

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Speaker 2: not the past that we want to see the right

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Speaker 2: go down. You know what I was thinking when she

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Speaker 3: My first thought, and I had had this thought.

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Speaker 2: During the Biden administration too, But it was very like,

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Speaker 2: was like, I hope that that she is sharing information

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Speaker 2: that she has that we don't have, and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: There is a split in the Department of Homeland Security

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Speaker 1: about how this is being done, with one side being

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Speaker 1: the Christinom Bovino, who's the border patrol guy with the

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Speaker 1: giant duster. Yeah, the Bovino crew versus a Homan crew. Now,

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Speaker 1: you'll remember after Renee Goods shooting that Tom Homan was

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Speaker 1: the adult in the room.

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Speaker 3: He's fantastic, and he really said yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: He just plain and simple, was like the serious thing happened,

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Speaker 1: and there's an investigation and we come to conclusion after

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Speaker 2: Right, right, And that should be the line all the

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Speaker 2: time that brings down the temperature, that makes people say,

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Speaker 2: my government is taking this seriously.

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Speaker 1: And so now the Home and Camp is being put

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Speaker 1: in charge of Minnesota instead of the Nomes be right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: according to Trump truth Socials and Christy Nomes tweets today. Right.

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Speaker 2: So, Governor Walls apparently had what he's calling a productive

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Speaker 2: call with President Trump. They agreed that he would talk

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Speaker 2: to his Department of Homeland Security. That's Trump would talk

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Speaker 2: about his Department of Homeland Security about ensuring the Minnesota

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Speaker 2: as would ordinarily be the case. The President also agreed

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Speaker 3: The governor.

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Speaker 2: This is from a news piece about this. The governor

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Speaker 2: reminded President Trump, the Minnesota Department of Correction already honors

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Speaker 2: federal detainers by note of buying ICE when a person

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Speaker 2: committed to its custody isn't a US citizen. Okay, Bill Malujian,

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Speaker 2: Bill Maludian one of those people. And he says he

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Speaker 2: writes very misleading from Walls. Yes, his prison honors ICE

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Speaker 2: detainers by transferring quote convicted criminal aliens after they serve

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Speaker 2: their sentence, but his city and county jails do not.

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Speaker 2: ICE wants criminal aliens arrested for crimes handed to them instead.

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Speaker 3: Of being released to the streets.

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Speaker 2: Even California prisons honor ICE detainers. The sanctuary fights are

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Speaker 2: over city and county jails. So Walls is saying something

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Speaker 2: So the fact that Walls is trying this is not

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Speaker 1: I think that uh, Trump consents that this signature issue

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Speaker 1: I think there is a danger of turning this into

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Speaker 1: an albatross, UH, into turning people against the idea of

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Speaker 1: enforcement with sloppy work sometimes with things that could be

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Speaker 1: done better. And if you don't deal with that swiftly,

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Speaker 1: I think it will it will take a toll. And

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Speaker 1: I think Trump knows that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even aside from the political part, Trump is.

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Speaker 3: A big softy.

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Speaker 2: Seeing footage of an American killed on the streets of Minneapolis,

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Speaker 2: I just think I think that kind of thing affects him.

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Speaker 2: Right? And what about being punished for what they have done?

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Speaker 2: And it's crazy that they think that they're too enlightened

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Speaker 3: You think you're too good for prisons to exist. It's

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Speaker 1: But I will not allow for the left's victims to

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Speaker 1: Fairfax County was murdered by a guy they let out,

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Speaker 1: So not honoring a ICE detainer the other day, I

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Speaker 1: care about Lincoln Riley and so lefties are very good

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Speaker 1: at making sure the culture only cares about one type

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Speaker 1: of victim at one time. And I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are not sort of succumbing to that part

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Speaker 1: of the bullying anymore, even to the acknowledge some of

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Speaker 1: this back can I point out, Sorry, we're going a

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Speaker 1: little bit off topic.

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Speaker 3: But I've meant it's okay on a topic, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I meant.

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Speaker 1: To mention it. Earlier, the Minnesota Chamber of Commerce released

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Speaker 1: a letter on behalf of sixty CEOs in the area,

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Speaker 1: some big corporation, some small, and it was a very

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Speaker 1: neutral statement. Our friend Matt Whitlock sent it to me

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Speaker 1: and he notes this is a good indication of how

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Speaker 1: things have shifted in response to these types of stories.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, this letter would have contained condemnation for

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Speaker 1: Trump and partisan cya language. But these companies now understand

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Speaker 1: that taking political positions, especially under short term astroturfed pressure

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Speaker 1: is a long term loser. So they basically say, we

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Speaker 1: want everything to chill out, we want people to be safe,

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Speaker 1: we want people to come and work together. But it

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Speaker 1: is a very different style of response, and I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are responding differently than they used to.

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Speaker 3: That's a vibe shift, for sure.

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Speaker 2: It just again, I've got you know, just felt so

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Speaker 2: despondent about this happening, about this death, and about where

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Speaker 2: we're headed as a country, that we can't seem to

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Speaker 2: kind of get it right, and after being pretty optimistic

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Speaker 2: for the last year or where I thought we were

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Speaker 2: heading in a better direction. You know, you asked in

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Speaker 2: the first segment whether what the left would do if

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Speaker 2: it were the right, writing in a similar fashion, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you know, what would they do to enforce immigration laws?

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Speaker 3: They keep saying, not this way, not like this, okay,

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Speaker 3: but then what then?

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Speaker 2: What would how would you deport illegal immigrants who came

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Speaker 2: by the millions during the Biden administration and the American

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Speaker 2: people elected Donald Trump to solve that problem?

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Speaker 3: Like, what would they do? And the answer, of course

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Speaker 3: is like this woman who does not report her own gang.

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Speaker 2: Rape, they wouldn't do anything. They don't want to solve

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Speaker 2: that problem. And that's just deeply unfair and unreasonable, and

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Speaker 2: I think Americans hopefully will understand that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think you're right. That's my line in

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Speaker 1: the sand is that you don't get to create mobs

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Speaker 1: and then say federal law enforcement can't operate here because

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Speaker 1: we created mobs. By the way, Yeah, the Minnesota or

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Speaker 1: the Minneapolis police department such that it is is much

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Speaker 1: smaller than it used to be because the incredibly demoralizing

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Speaker 1: treatment they received at the hands of their city, city,

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Speaker 1: and state leaders in twenty twenty. This is it so

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Speaker 1: that you create less of a police force. They can't

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Speaker 1: do the job, they don't feel like they're backed up

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Speaker 1: to do the job, and then you get this sort

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Speaker 1: of cycle of chaos, and you get a bunch of

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Speaker 1: liberals who truly in a way that the right does

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Speaker 1: not coordinate and create confrontations that again make everyone's lives

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Speaker 1: much more dangerous.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come back

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Speaker 2: with one more story.

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Speaker 3: We're going to try to make this one lighter.

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Speaker 1: Maybe yes, U.

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Speaker 2: We are back on normally where slate dot com guess

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Speaker 2: that website still exists, has a piece called well that

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Speaker 2: is one way for JD and Vance to respond to

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Speaker 2: the Erica Kirk divorce rumors.

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Speaker 1: Guy, wow, yeah, wow, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's the fourth child.

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Speaker 2: They're talking about that Usha Vance is pregnant with the

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Speaker 2: Vance's fourth baby, and that this is potentially being done

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Speaker 2: because of the rumors that Erica Kirk hugged JD Vance

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Speaker 2: a little bit too much at an event. These people

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Speaker 2: are so disgusting. It's so many different ways.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things I like about being a

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Speaker 1: normal person and a center right person is that I

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Speaker 1: can have totally uncomplicated feelings about bringing babies into the world,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm just like, awesome, that sounds great. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: for you, no matter what your ideology, I'm excited for you.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Uh. So another I noticed a Twitter account the other

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Speaker 1: day that that pointed out that I think Caroline Lovett, uh,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Miller's wife, and Usha are all pregnant at the

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Speaker 1: same time. And it was like kill Hora, like so

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Speaker 1: so great they're spawning, I think, was the idea. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it's like, yes, just three married women are having babies.

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Speaker 1: What that's what we do? Guys.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Somebody else said about them, by the way, that

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Speaker 2: this is propaganda. This is they're doing it for propaganda purpose,

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Speaker 2: and I retweeted it I wish like I wish they

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Speaker 2: were coordinating pregnancies, like guys, we got to get the

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Speaker 2: birth rate up, like let's let's all have babies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, you know the tone of this is just

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Speaker 1: so gross. I'll give you a couple of paragraphs. This

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Speaker 1: pregnancy puts a spotlight on Usha, who's so far in

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Speaker 1: her tenure a second lady, has seemed intent on keeping

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Speaker 1: a low profile. News outlets were quick to note the

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Speaker 1: history nature of this bun in the oven, which should

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Speaker 1: make Usha the first sitting second lady in modern history

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Speaker 1: to bear a child in over one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: years per time. I confess feeling the tiniest twinge of

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Speaker 1: sympathy for her about the timing of the announcement. January

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Speaker 1: is early to announce a baby do in late July?

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Speaker 1: Did she feel pushed to say something before people started

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Speaker 1: to notice her body changing had a psycho It's not

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Speaker 1: even early. I don't I don't think it's not really.

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Speaker 1: The reports from a few months ago of her not

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Speaker 1: wearing her wedding ring could be viewed in a different

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Speaker 1: light now, she easily could have stopped wearing it because

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Speaker 1: her fingers were swolen. Okay, but here's my favorite part.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the part right here.

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Speaker 1: But that's all the poor Usha we should be indulging in,

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Speaker 1: because it's important to remember that she is a willing

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Speaker 1: participant in all of this. Well, God, God would hope,

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Speaker 1: I would hope. So, while it's tempting to wonder if

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Speaker 1: anyone else in her law school class has put their

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Speaker 1: career on hold to have in italics, four kids, we.

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Speaker 3: Have four kids married, Catherine, do that?

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Speaker 1: Do you think she chose to have all those kids

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Speaker 1: and to leave her career to support her husband, to

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Speaker 1: stay with that husband, no matter how increasingly awful he seems,

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Speaker 1: both as a force in society and as an individual

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Speaker 1: partner to her. Usha is free to slap. I had

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Speaker 1: this before JD went crazy. Stickers on her other kids.

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Speaker 1: But if she could ever claim any kind of ignorance,

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Speaker 1: that time is over.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those I hope this person has people

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Speaker 2: in her life who love her and will say this

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Speaker 2: is absolutely insane.

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Speaker 3: You are a crazy person. You need to seek help.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that any of these people do, because

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Speaker 2: otherwise they wouldn't be writing stuff like this. These are

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Speaker 2: inside thoughts. These are thoughts you think and maybe laugh

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Speaker 2: with your best friend, not published on a website. You

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Speaker 2: absolute insane person, I for.

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Speaker 1: One, will be putting in italics for chi. That's right.

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Speaker 2: They made up this whole story in their heads about

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Speaker 2: Erika Kirk and JD Vance hugging too much, and yes,

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Speaker 2: JD and Usha were going to get divorced, and now

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Speaker 2: they're surprised that their ridiculous, absurd, stupid fantasy didn't work out.

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Speaker 2: It's like we've created the fantasy and then are surprised

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Speaker 2: that it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: So. I saw somebody else rude say, I can't remember

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Speaker 1: who it was, saying, oh, it never works to have

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Speaker 1: a baby to keep the marriage. Today. I think they're fine, guys.

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Speaker 1: I think they're fine, but you're right, this is a

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Speaker 1: this is sort of projected upon them, and they have

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Speaker 1: this bizarre idea of all conservative women that.

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Speaker 3: Like we're all one because they're like, she should be.

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Speaker 1: A feminist, but she's not, so she must just be

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Speaker 1: led by him in some way, and it's so infantilizing

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Speaker 1: and it's so gross, and I love I love the

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Speaker 1: idea that she's a willing participant in this world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it works.

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Speaker 1: That's how it works. Oh my gosh, she got married

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Speaker 1: and had kids.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays,

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Speaker 2: and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get

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Speaker 2: in touch with us at normally theepod at gmail dot com.

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