Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2: On today's podcast, we are going to have the great
Speaker 2: debate on which side of the bed do you sleep
Speaker 2: and do you have a regular end this video that
Speaker 2: went viral on TikTok with this TikTok couple are there?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 2: Because I really thought you were gonna be in your
Speaker 2: bedroom when we got on. It's what made you famous.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to need you guys to take us
Speaker 2: to where you sleep and lay down and get a try. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, are you as shocked as kind of? I mean,
Speaker 2: look when I saw the rundown, I'm like, wait, what
Speaker 2: what is this? Like what I mean you just were
Speaker 2: talking about your bed position sleeping.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was definitely shocked. We usually post DIY content.
Speaker 5: We do DIY renovation and home decor. Very rarely do
Speaker 5: I ever talk into the camera like that. But we
Speaker 5: had a conversation with two of our friends. I don't
Speaker 5: know how it came up, but like sleeping arrangements came
Speaker 5: up and we mentioned how we don't have a regular
Speaker 5: side of the bed. We just sort of switched it
Speaker 5: up and they were so freaked out by that and
Speaker 5: the reaction was so funny that I thought, oh, I'm
Speaker 5: just going to post that on TikTok and see what
Speaker 5: other people say. It's as crazy as ever as our
Speaker 5: friends said. And I definitely did not expect it to
Speaker 5: get the response that it.
Speaker 6: Did because it does not seem that interesting to us.
Speaker 4: But yeah, okay, so walk us through the TikTok like
Speaker 4: just like kind of describe it for people that haven't
Speaker 4: seen it and are listening to this and are like, Okay,
Speaker 4: hang on a second, we need to know what's happening.
Speaker 5: Yes, So the TikTok, I'm literally just telling the camera
Speaker 5: that we don't have a regular side of the bed.
Speaker 5: Last night, I slept on that side of the bed.
Speaker 6: The night before I.
Speaker 5: Slept on this side of the bed. It's not something
Speaker 5: we talk about. We just kind of randomly choose and
Speaker 5: is just as crazy as everyone thinks it is.
Speaker 6: That was it.
Speaker 5: It was like a twenty second TikTok and we got
Speaker 5: like nine thousand comments, and we were on Insider magazine
Speaker 5: and ABC News and we got like hundreds of stitches
Speaker 5: and some of those stitches got millions of views. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I just kind of exploded from a very simple fact.
Speaker 2: That's what's so interesting about TikTok because I feel like
Speaker 2: some videos are like low and then the next they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, million million views, and I'm like, the algorithm
Speaker 2: makes no sense to me, nor like even the topics
Speaker 2: of certain things, because I you know, I'm sure you
Speaker 2: would have expected something else to probably get higher likes
Speaker 2: or whatever. And then but I feel like people, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I don't really it's not
Speaker 2: really a thing. I mean, it's just kind of like,
Speaker 2: that's your side, and that's your side. So I call
Speaker 2: it the murder side and the non murder side of
Speaker 2: the bed.
Speaker 6: So the closest to the.
Speaker 2: Door is the murder side. So I'm like, if anyone
Speaker 2: ever never said that, you're going to go first, and
Speaker 2: so I make my husband sleep on the murder side.
Speaker 2: Oh the door.
Speaker 3: There were so many comments about that.
Speaker 7: We never even thought about, like if if there was
Speaker 7: an intruder, who's going to get attacked for it didn't
Speaker 7: cross our minds.
Speaker 1: But it should be.
Speaker 2: You, Skylert, should be you.
Speaker 6: But here's the question.
Speaker 5: Our bed is the door is right here and on
Speaker 5: the other side is a window.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, Well, that's the robber side, not
Speaker 2: the murder side.
Speaker 6: Okay, so that makes sense.
Speaker 2: While they get a little and feels like you get
Speaker 2: a little more of a heads up, you know, so
Speaker 2: I like the robbers. You can hear I can hear
Speaker 2: the window.
Speaker 1: Oh got it right? So wait, so y'all don't even
Speaker 1: talk about it, Like so whoever goes to bed first
Speaker 1: just kind of decides where they want to sleep and
Speaker 1: then the other person goes on the other side, or
Speaker 1: do you go to bed at the same time, and
Speaker 1: it's just like, see what happens.
Speaker 7: You got a bed at the same time, and whoever
Speaker 7: gets in versus who dictates what side of the bed
Speaker 7: they're sleeping on. And I don't think we've ever discussed it.
Speaker 7: It's just always been this, I guess, quirky habit we've had.
Speaker 5: I think a couple of times, like sometimes I, let's
Speaker 5: say I'm on one side of the bed for a
Speaker 5: couple of days or a week, which is a lot,
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden I switched.
Speaker 6: Skyler will be like, oh, like, not that side anymore.
Speaker 5: Like occasionally we'll bring it up if like we've fallen
Speaker 5: into a certain pattern, but it's just I mean, we've
Speaker 5: been together for ten years.
Speaker 6: This is so regular. It's not something that we.
Speaker 2: You guys, we've been on the road for like a year,
Speaker 2: and we have our sides in the bed and we
Speaker 2: have our sleeping arrangements and we turn into a hotel room.
Speaker 2: We know who's sleeping with you on what side?
Speaker 1: What about like your bedside tables, like your stuff on
Speaker 1: your bedside table.
Speaker 3: We don't have stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, okay.
Speaker 5: The same phone chargers was another thing that people talked about.
Speaker 5: We have like the same phone charger, and like we
Speaker 5: have stuff in our nightstand drawers.
Speaker 6: But we don't access it nightly.
Speaker 5: Like all of our skincare stuff, all of our bedtime
Speaker 5: routine stuff is in like the bathroom and our vanity,
Speaker 5: Like we don't do anything in bed to get ready,
Speaker 5: because that was another big comment that people.
Speaker 1: We don't do that any there. But like, so then
Speaker 1: you're not fighting over chargers. It's kind of nice. We're
Speaker 1: always like who.
Speaker 2: Took my ar? It's like the bed equivalent of a whiteboard.
Speaker 2: You're just like, see what we do here every single night.
Speaker 1: But if you so, obviously you have your side of
Speaker 1: the bed Christian, Yeah, Janna.
Speaker 2: Obviously there you go.
Speaker 1: But when you go to like a hotel, do you
Speaker 1: ever switch it up? Or do you stay with the
Speaker 1: same side of the bed when you go to a
Speaker 1: hotel or some or sleep somewhere different.
Speaker 2: I stay on the same what do you non murder?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? You okay, we will we will switch
Speaker 1: it up in like a like a different place, not
Speaker 1: even not even thinking about it.
Speaker 3: It's content the layout of the room, like.
Speaker 1: If there's a like not that's her, not me. I
Speaker 1: have never thought of a murder side. I just if
Speaker 1: I'm in a hotel, it's different. So I'll sometimes just
Speaker 1: pick the other side of the bed on.
Speaker 2: Murder side though that's the well. In the old house,
Speaker 2: I was on non murder side, but it wasn't the
Speaker 2: right side of the bed. But now right side of
Speaker 2: the bed here at the rental and the new house
Speaker 2: will be by the door, so I'll be on murder side. Well,
Speaker 2: I give you. I vote you most likely to handle anybody,
Speaker 2: Especially when I heard a noise and I was like,
Speaker 2: get up, get up, and I was like grab the gun,
Speaker 2: and I think he was so uncomfortable, like holding the
Speaker 2: gun down. I'll take care of this. I was like,
Speaker 2: Michigan's side really sneaks out. Yeah, I was like, give
Speaker 2: me the gun. Do you guys have animals? Do they
Speaker 2: play into this? What do we have? What name all
Speaker 2: the heartbeats that exist in the bed nightly? So I
Speaker 2: know the players and pieces we're working with here, all.
Speaker 5: Right, I'm Angelena. This is Skyler, our cats. Could actually
Speaker 5: see them in the background. That's Blue and Bree, and
Speaker 5: Blue usually likes to sleep next to me and Bree
Speaker 5: likes to sleep next to Skyler, so they sort of
Speaker 5: switch with us.
Speaker 6: You switch side.
Speaker 2: I know they're like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Our habitat is rocked funny?
Speaker 2: They're probably so confused. So okay, so you do DIY stuff.
Speaker 2: What is what is one of your favorite DIY things
Speaker 2: that you like to do?
Speaker 6: That's a great question.
Speaker 5: I mean I think some of my uh, some of
Speaker 5: the content that's done the best and that we.
Speaker 6: Like showing is just our whole house renovation.
Speaker 5: We bought our house in twenty twenty and it's the
Speaker 5: nineteen fifties house and was a big fixer upper, so and.
Speaker 6: We renovated it all just the two of us.
Speaker 5: So we sort of documented that whole journey of doing
Speaker 5: everything rehaving the floors, knocking down walls, and then the
Speaker 5: decoorse stuff came later, which is also fun, like painting
Speaker 5: and wallpaper and all that type of fun stuff. So
Speaker 5: I just I love showing the transformation, the big transformations,
Speaker 5: but we also do the small transformations too.
Speaker 2: Were you, guys di Wires before you bought this house?
Speaker 2: Like did you? Are you savvy and knowing what you're doing?
Speaker 2: Because we could buy anything and we would have no clue.
Speaker 3: I build houses for a living, so for me.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hate it's work, and I'm like clumsy, not knowledgeable,
Speaker 5: not crafty at all. So together he was sort of
Speaker 5: the expert teaching me how to do things, and then
Speaker 5: I learned as we went along. But yeah, this was
Speaker 5: all totally new to me, not my well love expertise whatsoever.
Speaker 2: That's why Skyler's face was a little like frozen. When
Speaker 2: you're like it's so fun, He's like, is it now?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 2: Because you build houses, is there one thing? So I'm
Speaker 2: moving into a new house that I built in a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, is there one thing that I'm like
Speaker 2: I should have? Well, I probably I'm like, what should
Speaker 2: I have? Done better with But like, is there anything
Speaker 2: that like I need to look out for with the building,
Speaker 2: even though I mean this is not my second build,
Speaker 2: but like, is there something where I should like check
Speaker 2: to make sure before I head into the house.
Speaker 3: If it's all new, you you should be good. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's all just standard.
Speaker 7: Maintenance from that point, cool air filters in the air
Speaker 7: conditioner and you know, flush out the water heater every
Speaker 7: couple of years. But it's just I mean, if it's
Speaker 7: all new stuff, then you should be good.
Speaker 2: Guys, I haven't flushed anything in two years. Water the
Speaker 2: air filters are always I always find it.
Speaker 7: It depends where you live to Like, our water is
Speaker 7: very hard, so there's a lot of calcium deposits stuff
Speaker 7: like lines.
Speaker 2: Apparently ours is.
Speaker 1: I think ours is too. I don't know that we've
Speaker 1: done that either, but I know that's on my list. Actually. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like thoughts of the next TikTok that's going to
Speaker 1: be so random and go viral again, Like you'll have
Speaker 1: any ideas any Like.
Speaker 7: We were like thoroughly discussing like what other weird habits?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what else is weird about y'all?
Speaker 3: But I mean we're very normal people.
Speaker 6: So we didn't think this was that weird. So maybe
Speaker 6: we're not normal, So maybe you're not.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's not normal. That's not normal. I need to
Speaker 2: say it. You've been reiterated by thousands and millions, But.
Speaker 1: Did you have anyone say that they do that as well,
Speaker 1: like anybody.
Speaker 6: Yes, we've had comments. I think like one percent. There are.
Speaker 5: There are people, especially as big as it gets, there
Speaker 5: are more people commenting like, oh, that's us too. But
Speaker 5: the vast, vast majority are people calling us serial killers.
Speaker 6: There is something wrong with you guys.
Speaker 2: But I'm the one that has a murder side. Do
Speaker 2: you have places that you watch TV, like when you
Speaker 2: sit down at the couch? Is that a free for
Speaker 2: all too? I mean, I just feel like your whole
Speaker 2: life's real willy nilly At this point I need to
Speaker 2: know like, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's a free for all.
Speaker 5: It's all yeah, Like we don't have a spot at
Speaker 5: the kitchen table, we don't have a spot on the couch.
Speaker 5: Sometimes when we're watching TV, you know, because there's a
Speaker 5: chase part and then there's like the couch part. Like
Speaker 5: in the middle of watching something, we'll look at each
Speaker 5: other and we'll be like, let's switch, you know, because
Speaker 5: there's like there's depending on where you are in the couch.
Speaker 5: You know, my shoulder might start hurting on this side,
Speaker 5: so I need to.
Speaker 2: If I tried to take the chase part of our couch,
Speaker 2: I might there might be a divorce attorney involved, like
Speaker 2: I have, I've married a creature. We like he has
Speaker 2: a habitat you know, yeah, not us. Well, congrats on
Speaker 2: the TikTok and I hope that you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: a good promotion to for everything else you guys got
Speaker 2: going on. So that's awesome, and we will now follow
Speaker 2: along where can our listeners fall along to see if
Speaker 2: there's any more weird things that pop up.
Speaker 5: Yes, on TikTok and YouTube, we are renovating our home
Speaker 5: and then on Instagram we're underscore renovating our home.
Speaker 2: Cool, awesome, Well, thank you so much for coming on. Bye,
Speaker 2: Sweet Dreams. You know what I was thinking about when
Speaker 2: they were talking about it was like and not that
Speaker 2: Like I mean, Alan is a very cleanly person, like
Speaker 2: he showers all the time, but like it's just I
Speaker 2: want to lay in like their spot, I don't know,
Speaker 2: and again it's like I lay on top of them
Speaker 2: or like we like do all the things, but like
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to, like it's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like they're spot and they're like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't either.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah I would do that level unless
Speaker 2: you're like changing the sheets every day for some reason
Speaker 2: that that.
Speaker 1: Don't even like to take his pillows, Like sometimes our
Speaker 1: pillows will get mixed up and I'm like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's your pillows.
Speaker 2: Because I have It's like I don't know. It's like
Speaker 2: a still yeah, and there's like a smell still not that,
Speaker 2: not again, not that, but because he doesn't he always
Speaker 2: smells great, but still still and I like my outside
Speaker 2: but yeah, they say that. I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 2: But there was something about like how your skin sheds
Speaker 2: and you actually should wash your sheets more than what
Speaker 2: the two weeks. Okay, that would be my question. How
Speaker 2: often are you guys changing sheet? Well, not as often
Speaker 2: as same.
Speaker 1: I should, probably not as often as I should.
Speaker 2: Either it goes by fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it.
Speaker 2: That's what happens with the air filters too. Unless I
Speaker 2: have like the maid coming every two weeks, then I'll
Speaker 2: leave the sheets out. But sometimes I'm like, oh shoot,
Speaker 2: because they don't wash the sheets. They're just like leave
Speaker 2: them on the bed. But if I forget and I
Speaker 2: don't have an extra set, and I'm like, oh, it's fine,
Speaker 2: just leave it, and then it's like a month. So
Speaker 2: I'm sure this will shock you. But I don't like
Speaker 2: the way people make my bed. No shock, no shock.
Speaker 2: So I have to make my bed.
Speaker 1: So you have cleaners come and tell them not to make.
Speaker 2: Your bed yep, I literally say, don't touch the master bed.
Speaker 2: Here's my problem though, which I will agree, which drives
Speaker 2: me crazy is if I end up using if I
Speaker 2: end up using cleaners again, which I most will, but
Speaker 2: they never make the bed the same each time. And
Speaker 2: I want to take a picture and be like please
Speaker 2: because I have to now go back take off the
Speaker 2: sheets because they use the wrong sheet, like what's supposed
Speaker 2: to be like my duvet cover. They use it as
Speaker 2: like the bench cover, and I'm like, no, it's not
Speaker 2: the right sheet. Like listen, I don't my own husbands,
Speaker 2: their own interior designers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like yeah, no does too.
Speaker 2: Plus we have like very definitive sides, like I have
Speaker 2: a shocking again, a weighted blanket franksiity on my side,
Speaker 2: and I'm always like in a snowsuit with seven layers
Speaker 2: of comforters, and his side is like fan in the face.
Speaker 1: That's our room.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's a little like we even have like different
Speaker 1: blankets sometimes because if I have my big thick one on
Speaker 1: because we change them a lot are comforters, then he'll
Speaker 1: like literally push my thick one over and just get
Speaker 1: a thin one for him. And then if the cleaners come,
Speaker 1: it'll be like thick one and thin one and like
Speaker 1: all of them because they don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I'm tired and pissy. Yeah, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this just doesn't go here. I know, hashtags, I mean
Speaker 2: that doesn't bother. Listen. I've been trying to so I
Speaker 2: have asked for help, right, Oh good. Remember when I
Speaker 2: had a mental breakdown last week, I got a lot
Speaker 2: of support online. Oh good, I g FAM really supported me.
Speaker 2: I had a vulnerability hangover bad. After that, I was like,
Speaker 2: I cried, why am I you know?
Speaker 1: Oh you're good.
Speaker 2: So I have gotten cleaner's back.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Does that help you or stress you out?
Speaker 5: More?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: So far, I think I'm just at a point where,
Speaker 2: like I have realized I'm only one human, so like,
Speaker 2: any help is great good and I have a great cleaner.
Speaker 2: Got it from Sarah Bryce. Actually, oh no, no, anybody
Speaker 2: I ever give her she has a problem with right,
Speaker 2: But then any person she ever gives me ends up
Speaker 2: being a problem like that. She ends up like oh
Speaker 2: I ended up not liking this, or I ended like, oh,
Speaker 2: I know, because she gave me a woman, I have
Speaker 2: to say a different name, right, can I should I
Speaker 2: not use your name? Different name Judy, Judy Judy. Sorry,
Speaker 2: she's great, but the kids you're gonna, oh, for babysitting
Speaker 2: or cleaning, So no, for like babysitting, she's like a grandmother.
Speaker 6: You're gonna love Judy.
Speaker 2: Let her in, she's gonna be awesome. And then I
Speaker 2: literally am like opening the door for Judy, and I
Speaker 2: get a text from Sarah don't let Judy. Hey, by
Speaker 2: the way, I meant to tell you, Judy is a
Speaker 2: no go. I'm like, well she did that to me too,
Speaker 2: standing in front of me, so we're gonna have to
Speaker 2: She gave.
Speaker 1: Us a babysitter, and I used her for a long
Speaker 1: time and she was like, oh yeah, I didn't like her, Babby.
Speaker 2: No, Okay, I'm changing names. I don't know because you're
Speaker 2: changing sure, Babby, and had like the whole summer thing
Speaker 2: planned out and then she canceled, like a day before
Speaker 2: school got out, that she couldn't watch the kids over summer,
Speaker 2: and like I had planned it with for like mikes
Speaker 2: weeks two, like to help out Simon or not very unreliable.
Speaker 1: Well, the one I used was very reliable. I loved her.
Speaker 1: But then Sarah came back and was like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I love her. I've been
Speaker 1: using her.
Speaker 2: Did her name ryme with Mary?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Because that was another one that's hair game. And I
Speaker 2: just need to go on record for saying that I
Speaker 2: teed her and I up with the tutor that I
Speaker 2: thought might be helpful for the kids this summer because
Speaker 2: I was like, I was super pregnant, brand new baby,
Speaker 2: maybe like just a couple hours a week with this teacher,
Speaker 2: and the teacher ended up bailing on both Sara and
Speaker 2: I after talking from February to May about the plans.
Speaker 2: So we're one for one there. Well, Sarah had called
Speaker 2: me the other day and she's like, hey, so, what's
Speaker 2: your hair girl's name? I go, Nope, I won't do
Speaker 2: it to the hair girl.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to do it to me.
Speaker 2: I was like, I love you, but nope, because anybody
Speaker 2: that I've ever sent her, she's like, well I don't
Speaker 2: like this. I'm like, that's fine. The problem is I
Speaker 2: don't like doing but she can do her own hair,
Speaker 2: I know. But then she always complains about her I know.
Speaker 2: But since she knows what she's doing, she's extra. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but like the flashes that like I gave her my
Speaker 2: my last cleaning lady and like she was my clean
Speaker 2: lay is awesome. I think she's so good she's yeah,
Speaker 2: and so they just never mind. I won't say that
Speaker 2: it's mean, but well no, I just like every time
Speaker 2: I have to record, that's when they want to like
Speaker 2: really loudly talk, and it's hard because I'm like working
Speaker 2: from home too, right right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So then they don't understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Can you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: No, No, you will cut that. I'm just saying, they're
Speaker 2: very loud. Anyways, we're gonna cut that. Okay, so cutting
Speaker 2: that is. But no, but anytime like I gave her
Speaker 2: like my cleaning lady, she like there was like, oh,
Speaker 2: she didn't wash the inside of the top corner of
Speaker 2: the my and I'm just like, they might have missed
Speaker 2: that spot. That's way back to Sarah. And I read that,
Speaker 2: I was just like, no more. And then her people,
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm good. Well, if I ever mean
Speaker 2: to them or like ever say anything negative about anybody
Speaker 2: that knows my address, I think that's like a good
Speaker 2: rule with them, like you know where I live. So
Speaker 2: I'm just always like, great job today and I just reschedule. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but but no. Good Old Sarah Bryce got a lover.
Speaker 2: She's literally the most unintentionally funny person I've ever met.
Speaker 2: She's great, She's so good anything something's really important. When
Speaker 2: she's calling you at seven in the morning while I'm
Speaker 2: getting the kids all ready for school and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: I call it seven's with Sarah, I wonder and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh Jesus, she or the life. No. When she goes
Speaker 2: call me and I'm like thinking, oh God, something like
Speaker 2: really happened. And then she's like, when did I lose
Speaker 2: our passport? Again? I was like, your passport and it
Speaker 2: was is that what?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, thinking she said nine one she did.
Speaker 1: She was freaking out and then it was like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you remember when I was like, oh lord.
Speaker 2: Sarah, I thought someone died, Like anyways, well this just
Speaker 2: became I don't even know what happened. Take a break
Speaker 2: and then we'll come back on with something else. All right, Kabi,
Speaker 2: what do you got? Oh? Laughing, not crying. That's refreshing.
Speaker 5: Hu.
Speaker 2: I surprised my husband. Do you want to talk about that? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: with a what guys, this is actually kind of awesome.
Speaker 2: So I surprised my husband with a staycation in Franklin
Speaker 2: because it was fifteen minutes down the road from the
Speaker 2: new baby. I just teed us up really wisely. At home,
Speaker 2: we have had a night do look come for the baby,
Speaker 2: so I could feel extra reassured there. I had Miss
Speaker 2: Ashton with the kids, and she's nice and OCD and
Speaker 2: great and so I loved that. And I brought his
Speaker 2: best friend from home down as a surprise. So his
Speaker 2: best friend and his wife came and they met us
Speaker 2: at dinner and it was just nice because they're not industry,
Speaker 2: and it's he doesn't with travel get to see his
Speaker 2: people enough, and that's kind of like how he plugs
Speaker 2: back in and he doesn't have to be on because
Speaker 2: they're just as homies, you know. Can I just say
Speaker 2: little caveat? Yeah, you always say that you want to
Speaker 2: just be with like you and him. You don't get
Speaker 2: you and him time. So was introduced or to having
Speaker 2: that friend come in? Was that like was this for him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 2: Just for him, just for him?
Speaker 1: Got it? Got it, got it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna just do the night us and I.
Speaker 2: That was great, but I just know a little nice
Speaker 2: thing for him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like it.
Speaker 2: It's also kind of like sneaky for me though, because
Speaker 2: I was getting a hotel and my kids, like I
Speaker 2: didn't have to wake up and we were gonna have
Speaker 2: breakfast in bed. So yeah, So the next morning we
Speaker 2: get up, it's like six thirty and he's waking me
Speaker 2: up and he's like, we we should probably get on
Speaker 2: we should get out of here and head home. And
Speaker 2: I'm I get six thirty. I've never seen this man
Speaker 2: up before six thirty unless he has a flight, you know.
Speaker 2: So I say okay, and I'm trying not to take
Speaker 2: it personal, but the story I'm telling myself is like
Speaker 2: I guess, like just not attractive. We don't want to
Speaker 2: do anything this morning, like, I'm confused because we don't
Speaker 2: have kids, and I'm in your oversize. Sure, and that's it, you.
Speaker 6: Know, m hmm.
Speaker 2: Okay. So he's like, baby, let's just get some coffee.
Speaker 2: And it keeps going, Baby, you look real hot. Let's
Speaker 2: go get some coffee. And I'm like, but if I
Speaker 2: look hot, then get over here, you know, because you're cleared. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: oh yes, yes, yes, yes for four weeks.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 2: It was the same week his parents came to visit. Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So anyways, he's moving me along and I can't quite
Speaker 2: figure out why he's moving me along. I'm trying not
Speaker 2: to take it personal, almost like okay, whatever. So we
Speaker 2: go downstairs, say hi to the friends, grab coffee, and
Speaker 2: he's kind of rushing me, and he goes, I have
Speaker 2: to tell you something. Belly sinks, right, because I'm always
Speaker 2: just waiting for the worst. He said, you surprised me,
Speaker 2: but I was actually surprising you. So we have a
Speaker 2: flight out this morning, and the reason I'm rushing new
Speaker 2: is because we really have to be on our way
Speaker 2: to Bna by like nine point thirty at the latest,
Speaker 2: and we still have to get back home so that
Speaker 2: you can grab a change of clothes, and I said,
Speaker 2: can I know where we're going? And he said, you can't. Ah,
Speaker 2: I know. So next thing I know, I'm landing in
Speaker 2: Detroit to see the Cubs play Detroit time yours. This
Speaker 2: is Michael Caprera's last season, and I wanted to get
Speaker 2: to the game.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Rose up from home plate and we got to date
Speaker 2: and drink beer and eat nachos, and he rooted for
Speaker 2: the Cubs and I rooted for the do That was
Speaker 2: so cute. It was really wonderful. Ah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: So his manager, our doula, the babysitter, all calling at
Speaker 2: the Friend's episode, the one with the double surprise, because
Speaker 2: everyone was bending, that's amazing, that's so creat When did
Speaker 2: you come When did you come back? Yesterday morning? So
Speaker 2: you were gone for how many nights? Two nights total
Speaker 2: in Detroit? No one night? Okay, Yeah, he knew his limits,
Speaker 2: and he actually panicked because he thought, that's two nights
Speaker 2: away from the baby. She's not going to do that.
Speaker 2: And everyone was going, I didn't know if I should
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you can do it.
Speaker 2: That's good. I did it. It took a beer, but
Speaker 2: I did it.
Speaker 1: Into a hotel for me for our like one year
Speaker 1: back together or whatever. Yeah, but I woke up that
Speaker 1: morning feeling like death, and I slept pretty much the
Speaker 1: entire time in the hotel day and night.
Speaker 6: I kept I'd wake up, but I'd go.
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry, babe, I'm really sorry. It's like, it's fine, honey,
Speaker 1: I just went back to sleep.
Speaker 2: He as fine, as he's writing in his diary. Oh
Speaker 2: what did he do when you were sleeping?
Speaker 1: He literally watched I fell asleep, but I mean we
Speaker 1: would like watch something, and then I mean we got
Speaker 1: dinner and ate in the room. We were going to
Speaker 1: go to dinner, but he just he walked and got
Speaker 1: dinner and brought it back, and then he was watching
Speaker 1: a football game and then like went to bed early.
Speaker 1: I woke up at like nine thirty. He's like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to bed, and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm up. But I only stayed up for like an hour,
Speaker 1: Like I was so tired. I just did not feel
Speaker 1: good and I felt we got massages. We did also
Speaker 1: get massage, okay, so it was great. It was just funny.
Speaker 1: I felt terrible I was like, I'm so sorry, but
Speaker 1: it was also just nice to sleep.
Speaker 2: I know, there's a lot that hinges when you do
Speaker 2: like a one night it feels a little like pressure too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that. He was great about it. Because
Speaker 1: I kept saying I'm so sorry. He was like, it's
Speaker 1: totally fine. I mean, it was fine. It was nice.
Speaker 2: Alan and I have never done a vacation together. That's sad.
Speaker 2: It's okay, We're going to get there. No we haven't.
Speaker 1: We'll get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We were thinking about doing a baby moon in October,
Speaker 2: but there's just so much going on that I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I have time. Yeah, it's tricky.
Speaker 2: It's just a tricky time of year. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: So we'll figure it out. But I would like, you
Speaker 2: can make it work. You did a baby moon, and
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I kind of want a refund. It
Speaker 2: was great, but like I was so sick.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I know, and it was amazing, but I just kept thinking, gosh,
Speaker 2: I would have we should like I wanted to have.
Speaker 1: Born moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to be full steam ahead, like work,
Speaker 2: you know, like wanting to work and travel to like, yeah,
Speaker 2: pay for three kids.
Speaker 1: Like just warning, let's go.
Speaker 2: But no, I think there's a piece of me too
Speaker 2: that has a little bit of like a negative taste
Speaker 2: of the baby moon because I know the stuff that
Speaker 2: happened with my like ex like right before, like when
Speaker 2: we had discovery. One of the things he told me
Speaker 2: happened a week before that our baby moon in la
Speaker 2: which I thought was like the most magical trip we
Speaker 2: had and we were in like we went to the
Speaker 2: montage in Laguna Beach and I'm like, wait, a week
Speaker 2: before you were X, Y and Z, Like I just
Speaker 2: I don't know it like kind of like tainted then,
Speaker 2: like that baby moon was like the biggest like even
Speaker 2: though they say, like you know to hold like what
Speaker 2: was happening in the moment was real, but it still
Speaker 2: like taints it a little bit. Yeah that's you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so do you want like a do over?
Speaker 2: Well, And then like for Jase, we didn't really do one,
Speaker 2: Like it was like a let's not because I was
Speaker 2: so scorned by the like baby moon name that I
Speaker 2: was like, let's not call it it. But we went
Speaker 2: to like a pool and right, I'd like, but we
Speaker 2: didn't like travel or vacation for it. So a piece
Speaker 2: of me is like, do I want to do over
Speaker 2: or like I never had a baby moon before this one,
Speaker 2: and this one was kind of a honeymoon baby moon.
Speaker 2: It was our first trip ever just the two of us,
Speaker 2: and we've been together eight years. Yeah, well, and I
Speaker 2: never had honeymoon either, shockingly, so so of all the
Speaker 2: so I feel like, maybe we don't even have to
Speaker 2: call it. I wouldn't have even called ours a baby moon,
Speaker 2: but the resort did when they found out.
Speaker 1: Remember if I had, I don't even remember. I'm sure
Speaker 1: we traveled, but I never like made it like this
Speaker 1: big thing. I don't think.
Speaker 2: You know, did you guys ever see a thing with
Speaker 2: Kelly Clarkson in the Push Present? How people were like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, she was like, I never got a push present.
Speaker 2: I should have known that she was joking. People were
Speaker 2: started to be mean, being like, you know, you being
Speaker 2: like thinking that she was being what's the word? Yeah,
Speaker 2: she said she never got one, yes, yeah, And then
Speaker 2: she's like, I should have known when I never got
Speaker 2: a push present, like basically, but that people were saying
Speaker 2: like that she was being what.
Speaker 1: Is the word feels no, it feels.
Speaker 2: Disingenuous now it's at that game a word, what's that
Speaker 2: game like?
Speaker 1: Not reading the room like I got to know it?
Speaker 2: Like I love her too, But I felt.
Speaker 1: That way a little bit when I read it, really like.
Speaker 2: That she was being what's the word like pretent No,
Speaker 2: not pretentious.
Speaker 1: It's like there's plenty of people that don't get pushed
Speaker 1: present like she wanted to diamond and be like okay,
Speaker 1: like really you're married. But again, I love her not
Speaker 1: trying to talk whatever. And I don't think that that
Speaker 1: was necessarily her intention, but it did feel very like
Speaker 1: not pretentious, but something like that. You know, it just
Speaker 1: felt very like, Okay, plenty people don't get push presents
Speaker 1: like that. Shouldn't be mean that your marriage was doomed
Speaker 1: because you didn't get right.
Speaker 2: And I think she was joking when she said it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she.
Speaker 2: Was having said that. I would say, and this is
Speaker 2: actually very interesting for you to say this because you're
Speaker 2: a gift girl. I am so you like gifts, like
Speaker 2: gifts is your love language. Absolutely so, And I'm not
Speaker 2: a gift girl. But for carrying your child for nine months,
Speaker 2: I want a gift.
Speaker 1: I want a little and I'm not saying I want I'm.
Speaker 2: Confused the bush presents the human.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, I don't know, I the.
Speaker 6: Gift of life. Can I get us back on track?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't think i'd be mad
Speaker 1: about I don't remember if I get.
Speaker 2: Mad, But I think I would like it to be
Speaker 2: like here's the nine months even hurled over a toilet
Speaker 2: and like feeling sick and not being able to eat
Speaker 2: hardly anything, and like you know what I mean, and
Speaker 2: just like a nice pretty little maybe like a little
Speaker 2: ring with like the birth speaking, like the birthstones of
Speaker 2: all three kids. That would be really cute. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: are you going to text it's for everyone? But I'm
Speaker 2: just saying it's not like something that. Again, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be upset. I think it's just a nice gesture. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I won't be mad. I'm not going to say our
Speaker 2: marriage or is going to be doomed because he doesn't
Speaker 2: give me a busch present. I'm just saying it's I
Speaker 2: think it's a nice gesture. I agree, gesture gesture.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think my was just saying. When I
Speaker 1: read her saying it, I was kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Think I would have said that but as a gift girl,
Speaker 2: why do you not want that?
Speaker 1: I didn't say don't want it? I said I didn't.
Speaker 1: I said I felt that way when she said that.
Speaker 2: But you don't care. You wouldn't care about anyone because
Speaker 2: you haven't, right all I have?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm trying to remember, honestly. No, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I know. I can't remember if I got it. What's
Speaker 1: the third? Honestly, ca, which is terrible. It was probably
Speaker 1: something so great, and I just can't think about it
Speaker 1: right now. I just I am a gift person. I
Speaker 1: just that one. I don't know wouldn't bother me that
Speaker 1: much for it.
Speaker 2: Because you're distracted by the immense amounts of healing that
Speaker 2: you're doing that you're not thinking about.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember. But honestly, I probably put him
Speaker 1: through so much craft when I was pregnant that, like, really,
Speaker 1: I was so sick and probably made him do everything,
Speaker 1: and did I probably made him do everything?
Speaker 2: Were you ever snippy?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, were you? Were you because hormones and pregnant?
Speaker 5: Right? Well?
Speaker 2: Sure, yes.
Speaker 6: Said this to be pregnant woman over.
Speaker 2: Here, Yes we do, Janna, Well, we all snippy. I
Speaker 2: was very spicy this pregnancy. Yes, you were to you.
Speaker 2: I'm always nice to you.
Speaker 1: What did I say?
Speaker 2: Was I snippy somewhere in saying but like you were
Speaker 2: snippy with breast?
Speaker 6: Look at me, you guys?
Speaker 2: Kind of so like to ask her if she was.
Speaker 6: Like, okay, let me rephrase.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know some women are like truly miserable pregnant.
Speaker 6: You know, well, I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna point both.
Speaker 1: Y'all out, but you know how y'all Okay.
Speaker 2: So I didn't get to see you pregnant ever, and
Speaker 2: I wondered if you were like I.
Speaker 1: Would take me as someone that would be like I
Speaker 1: was not necessarily as snippy as I was, just like
Speaker 1: sick and miserable and made him do everything. Okay, And
Speaker 1: I'm really thinking back to my last one the most, obviously.
Speaker 1: So we had two kids, and I was like, take
Speaker 1: these children away from me while I sleep.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, the joke is always about pregnant women,
Speaker 2: like we're so hormonal and we rage out and all
Speaker 2: these things.
Speaker 1: I don't think I was a rager, No, I just
Speaker 1: felt really really bad. Yeah, And so I felt for
Speaker 1: him because it's like that was a lot on his plate,
Speaker 1: especially if you're having a third I mean that's a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I probably got a push present. I just don't remember. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'll i'll ask him later. I don't remember the third one.
Speaker 2: Probably helped him get it for you, probably, Yeah, can
Speaker 2: you get through your text chain? What did you get?
Speaker 2: I got this Tiffany bracelet with three little diamonds for
Speaker 2: three little babies. Oh see, that's cute, sweet and like delicate.
Speaker 2: But you would have been fine just having the gift
Speaker 2: of line. Yeah, I never got I didn't get push presents.
Speaker 2: I was so excited. I'm like, this is what they
Speaker 2: look like. H Yeah. I don't think Allen knows it
Speaker 2: there and he doesn't listen to this podcast. So can
Speaker 2: we talk about Scottish verse versus American on Instagram? Sure?
Speaker 2: Because I'm a host. And then somebody sent me and
Speaker 2: crossed gream and I'm so sorry that there's a sentence
Speaker 2: that literally Scottish people cannot say the purpurple Oh he can,
Speaker 2: he can.
Speaker 4: We did it.
Speaker 2: We did it on my TikTok. Is it purple purple
Speaker 2: burglar alarm? And he can do it, he can. It's
Speaker 2: just the way they say burglar is funny. Oh, like
Speaker 2: it's I can pull it up. I'm gonna pull it
Speaker 2: up on my TikTok. But no burger burger burg But yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it's just it's it's how they say, like the actual
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, let me see here.
Speaker 4: That said.
Speaker 2: Scottish people can't say purple burglar alarm. I'm going to
Speaker 2: go test it on the boyfriend. Okay, say that four
Speaker 2: times fast, as fast as you can four times.
Speaker 5: Purple bug let alone, purple bugle it alone alone alone.
Speaker 1: You did it better than I could do.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I couldn't say anything four times fast though. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: but no, that was funny. I got a good laugh.
Speaker 2: Swimming costume, That's what it was. Swimming cost the first
Speaker 2: time he said that because I had heard that one
Speaker 2: obviously before. I see that's like, are you gonna bring
Speaker 2: your swimming costume? And I'm like what He's like, you're
Speaker 2: swimming costume? And I'm like, explained, because a costume to
Speaker 2: me is when you dress up in Halloween. So what
Speaker 2: does he think Halloween is?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Does is there are those? Just I've never asked. We
Speaker 2: need to know because it's on your list. It's a
Speaker 2: bathing suit or a swim suit. Yeah, yeah, a swimming
Speaker 2: costume like that was like as if I'm going to
Speaker 2: be Michael Phelps for Halloween. Yeah, it was interesting. I
Speaker 2: really enjoy that. Yeah, it was fun. It was all good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do maybe a few more of those because
Speaker 2: they were fun. I love you, But I guess that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm good. You know, just breathing over there, just breathing.
Speaker 2: Is he kicking? He's kicking. Oh, he's a soccer player.
Speaker 2: Gousie's a soccer player. So girls, are you gonna say
Speaker 2: something bad to us? No? I do have a question.
Speaker 2: I don't like the look in her eyes. Cat So
Speaker 2: So I had a conversation with someone about coming on
Speaker 2: the podcast. Oh no, and it wouldn't be until October,
Speaker 2: But would you guys want to be on the podcast
Speaker 2: when this person comes on the podcast? I was thinking
Speaker 2: of doing a like part series with it, because obviously
Speaker 2: my book is coming out in October, and he has
Speaker 2: not really shared his side of things, and I think
Speaker 2: when one side comes out, it's important to hear the
Speaker 2: other and then also to maybe, you know, talk about
Speaker 2: how we've been able to move on co parenting, what
Speaker 2: he's up to things like that, and I was thinking
Speaker 2: about it, and because we had the conversation the other
Speaker 2: day when he was driving me back from some things
Speaker 2: I needed to ride with the kids, and he brought
Speaker 2: it up and we just discussed it and I said, OK, right,
Speaker 2: let me just kind of like wrap my mind around this.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I think Mark would for sure
Speaker 2: want to be on and we can maybe have that
Speaker 2: as like a thing where like I ask listeners if
Speaker 2: they have any questions or if they want to know something,
Speaker 2: and Mark can kind of ask those questions and then
Speaker 2: we can do like a Thursday episode of like co parenting,
Speaker 2: and then another one would be with you guys. But
Speaker 2: if you're not comfortable, I wouldn't put you on the spot.
Speaker 2: Then I'm putting you on the spot now because I
Speaker 2: want to know so I can just like because it's
Speaker 2: a lot to like process and plan in my brain too,
Speaker 2: I feel that myself. What undecided?
Speaker 1: What did he say? Does he know that there's an
Speaker 1: option of having well aka me in the room? I
Speaker 1: don't know if you.
Speaker 2: Take it, I'll just say he took a really big
Speaker 2: deep breath.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he'd want me in a room.
Speaker 2: With him, so does he want But he didn't say, no, huh,
Speaker 2: what do you want me in a room? Well, I said, well, hey,
Speaker 2: like obviously I do my podcast with Kristen and Catherine,
Speaker 2: so like, you know, maybe like the first one it's
Speaker 2: just like Mark and you and I, and then the
Speaker 2: part two is with the girls, and then the third
Speaker 2: is like you and I again and with just like
Speaker 2: co parenting and like you know what he's doing now
Speaker 2: and you know, support whatever he's kind of going, you
Speaker 2: know what he's doing. And again it's like it's something
Speaker 2: that I know I'm bringing. I'm going to talk to
Speaker 2: my therapy therapist about it because it is still like
Speaker 2: there's still so many, so many layers too to it.
Speaker 2: So it's like to but yeah. But then when I
Speaker 2: was like, well, and you know Kristen and Catherine, it
Speaker 2: could be in the episode two, and he just went
Speaker 2: so he didn't say yes or no, and which then
Speaker 2: to me goes, okay, well let me lego. Let me
Speaker 2: just kind of wrap my mind around this because I
Speaker 2: think it's I see like the pros and cons, and
Speaker 2: I see I also think too, you know. He this
Speaker 2: was also his podcast too, and so people listened and
Speaker 2: maybe they want to also have or hear sure something
Speaker 2: from him, you know, or like a because I don't
Speaker 2: think it's let's take anybody that misses Mike. Raise your
Speaker 2: hand now, just saying so, I just would you guys
Speaker 2: be comfortable or do you need time to think about it?
Speaker 2: Because you said you need I would say I need
Speaker 2: a minute, okay, I would like to. I mean I
Speaker 2: have seen him one time since then, I haven't seen
Speaker 2: him as often as probably you have, Kat, I just
Speaker 2: need I would say I need a minute. I feel
Speaker 2: fully like there is a place that you guys exist
Speaker 2: in my brain that I feel really good about. That
Speaker 2: I kind of always saw in YouTube. Do you remember
Speaker 2: me saying to you like, I always thought you guys
Speaker 2: would be really good friends or better friends than a couple.
Speaker 2: So there's a part of me that sees him that way.
Speaker 2: But then there's just a part of me that makes
Speaker 2: me want to cry a little bit, like just witnessing
Speaker 2: a lot of hurt for someone that I really love
Speaker 2: a lot. So that's hard for me.
Speaker 1: I would do it. I just don't think he would
Speaker 1: sit down with me, And I think that's also hurtful
Speaker 1: and hard for me because I know how much he
Speaker 1: hates me, and that's I know it's not about me,
Speaker 1: but that also there is something there for me.
Speaker 2: Also, why do you think and like, I mean, I
Speaker 2: would want to listen to that podcast because I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's many people in that situation where like, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to put you in a situation where you're
Speaker 2: not comfortable, which is why I'm asking ahead of time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but like if you're not comfortable and you're like, I mean, like,
Speaker 2: I would never put you in that situation. Absolutely having
Speaker 2: said that, as like a listener, I'm sure there's many
Speaker 2: times where friends are like would want to hear the
Speaker 2: like friendship of the person because you were also you
Speaker 2: guys were all also hurt in that situation and for
Speaker 2: you to say, well, he hates me, I don't. Again,
Speaker 2: it's like it was his own hatred. I believe that,
Speaker 2: like it was never like, why do you think he
Speaker 2: hates you?
Speaker 1: I just I think that there's a lot of blame
Speaker 1: he puts on me. I don't know. I think it's again,
Speaker 1: it's not about me. But the times that I've seen him,
Speaker 1: I see it in his eyes. He won't speak to me.
Speaker 1: I've kept his child he won't bring her to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of reasons. There's been a
Speaker 1: lot of I would love to bury the hatchet with him.
Speaker 1: I would love to be able to see him. I
Speaker 1: would love to be able to tell him the things
Speaker 1: that like, you know, we were friends too, you know,
Speaker 1: and he you know, it's just that got ripped away
Speaker 1: so fast, which is fine. I think we always side
Speaker 1: with our friends. And it was hard, like you said,
Speaker 1: to see her, but like there's probably just hurt on
Speaker 1: both sides obviously, But I would I would welcome that conversation.
Speaker 1: I just don't know that he would.
Speaker 2: Do you think that he wouldn't because of the ownership
Speaker 2: it would take for him to sit down with you,
Speaker 2: because I don't know, I don't. Do you think he
Speaker 2: would hate her? Listen, I mean Catherine was always the one,
Speaker 2: and I you know, I wrote this even in the book,
Speaker 2: like you told me to leave many times that I
Speaker 2: would be like, but I never did, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? So he can't hate you for something that
Speaker 2: like a never hap you know what I mean? And
Speaker 2: only he can't. I think it's just again his own
Speaker 2: actions because he can't look you in the eye knowing
Speaker 2: all the things that you know that no one will
Speaker 2: ever know true, you know, Yeah, that's hard. I think
Speaker 2: it's his shame that he can't work you in the eyes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and probably I know that there's you know, yes
Speaker 1: that like.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, it might feel good for to him to
Speaker 2: have you say.
Speaker 1: And there was there's things that I mean, I could
Speaker 1: I've got things I would love to say to him.
Speaker 1: I mean I think about it often actually, so I mean, I'm.
Speaker 6: That's where I'm at.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what would you say or what's
Speaker 2: one thing that like what like, what do you want
Speaker 2: to say to him?
Speaker 1: I cared about him too, and so that doesn't just
Speaker 1: go away. I think that you can care for someone
Speaker 1: and then make the worst actions in the world, But
Speaker 1: that doesn't make you, know a care, you know, caring
Speaker 1: about someone to go away, and that at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I in my mind, I wasn't just
Speaker 1: looking out for you, I was also trying to look
Speaker 1: out for him. I felt like y'all were toxic together,
Speaker 1: and that what was so frustrating because it became so
Speaker 1: us against him, and I just want to explain to
Speaker 1: him that it truly wasn't just this I hate Mike.
Speaker 1: It was not It was y'all have to get out
Speaker 1: of this. Y'all are not healthy, and I just don't
Speaker 1: I understand why you wouldn't see it that way, but
Speaker 1: I would love to be able to explain that to him,
Speaker 1: because he wasn't happy either, you know. So it's like, again,
Speaker 1: I did care about him, It wasn't just like you know,
Speaker 1: so I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, it wouldn't be until like October, so yeah, you
Speaker 2: have some time to think about it. But I'm also
Speaker 2: like when he mentioned it, it was like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: kind of need time to like process because what I
Speaker 2: don't want to happen is get him on and like
Speaker 2: drudge up, Like I don't want a whole episode of
Speaker 2: like because I'm like we're past that, but there are
Speaker 2: still things that like need to like be flushed out
Speaker 2: and then also you know, but not like stay in that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, let's ask the questions I want. So it's
Speaker 2: like I want to be very like mindful of if
Speaker 2: there are any questions from the past, I do want
Speaker 2: to ask that I don't know yet, you know. So
Speaker 2: it's like I need time with that to like process
Speaker 2: and then them like does that even matter? And like
Speaker 2: do I want to put that really out? So it's
Speaker 2: like I just need to like process that side too.
Speaker 2: I do think I do think this is a healthy enough,
Speaker 2: mature enough like you and I are healthy enough, mature
Speaker 2: enough to like lead it to a good place. I
Speaker 2: think we've always seen what could be good about him
Speaker 2: and defended him or played Devil's advocate in times not defended. Sure,
Speaker 2: So I don't think it for me, it's not like
Speaker 2: this like flipping tables moment and that's what I'm afraid of.
Speaker 2: It's just I just I don't know. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: careful with my words even here. Well, I think that's why,
Speaker 2: like you have to think about what you'd really wan
Speaker 2: want to ask, because again I don't want to spend
Speaker 2: time in the past because I don't think I have
Speaker 2: any questions about that.
Speaker 1: I think it really should just be if there's something that.
Speaker 2: Like I have one in the book when I was
Speaker 2: doing the audio and I'm like, I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I always kind of want to know that, you know,
Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering, can I think it's something that
Speaker 2: a lot of divorced women might also still wonder about
Speaker 2: like their X. So it's something that I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: but I'm like, I don't know, I got it. So
Speaker 2: it's like I got to sit with these things. So
Speaker 2: it's like, find what you would want to ask if
Speaker 2: that opportunity comes up.
Speaker 1: And does he have stuff in mind that he wants
Speaker 1: to say or ask? Do you think maybe yeah?
Speaker 2: I think for him, I think he just wants you know, again,
Speaker 2: And with the book coming out, it's like I don't
Speaker 2: want it to be about him. Yes, there are stories
Speaker 2: about him, but I also think, you know, he has
Speaker 2: a right to not be defined by certain headline and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So I think it's just creating again
Speaker 2: growth instead of like just turning, you know, letting the
Speaker 2: publications take certain excerpts from the book and then turn
Speaker 2: it into something that it's like this is actually where
Speaker 2: it's at and like, yes, that was a story from
Speaker 2: a while ago, but you know, and turning that into
Speaker 2: a more positive spin. And also, you know how we've
Speaker 2: been able to and not well at you know, not
Speaker 2: well at times a couple of weeks ago, it's just like, yes,
Speaker 2: I just got triggered from our past because you said this,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's that's a that's a full time
Speaker 2: job too, like taking emotions from past triggers with us
Speaker 2: and co parenting the kids and not letting those come up.
Speaker 2: It's hard. So I think how we've you know, talking
Speaker 2: about how we've been able to manage that still young
Speaker 2: and new at it. I'm hoping ten years from now
Speaker 2: it's even light years better, but hopefully that could be good.
Speaker 2: And then you know, he's he's starting, you know, he
Speaker 2: has a business and he's you know, I think I
Speaker 2: will always promote people, especially the you know, father of
Speaker 2: my children that may need help to you know, grow
Speaker 2: his business. So it's like I look at it as
Speaker 2: a way where it's growth on all angles. I think
Speaker 2: it's mature and wonderful to have the conversation I think
Speaker 2: it is when you say it used to you know,
Speaker 2: he used to this used to be his podcast too.
Speaker 2: I think all of that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: I really do. I think it shows the maturity. I
Speaker 2: I think it's great, just not sure what I I'm
Speaker 2: just not sure.
Speaker 6: Where I would be.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, there's time to think about it. But
Speaker 2: without being wildly like I get really like, you don't, yeah,
Speaker 2: mess with my friend, So I don't and I know
Speaker 2: he's not. Yeah, well there's nothing he can do now,
Speaker 2: you know. Now it's like that's the.
Speaker 1: But he did.
Speaker 2: So that's hard for me still because well, again, I
Speaker 2: think it shows like how people can like there's so
Speaker 2: many people that can relate to the situation and like
Speaker 2: and I do think he can be changed. I think
Speaker 2: he can grow. I think it could be two guys.
Speaker 2: I was married before, we were not we Some people
Speaker 2: are just not good for each other or bring out
Speaker 2: the best in each other. It's like chemical or whatever.
Speaker 2: That I get it. So we'll take a beat on that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to see what the wind down listeners also
Speaker 2: want to, because again, this is something that they're you know,
Speaker 2: this is this is for you know all, it's all
Speaker 2: likes see how we all feel. Okay, let us check
Speaker 2: everybody's temperature with that, so you guys later, he