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Speaker 1: And today we have a very special guest with us.

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Speaker 1: We want to welcome to the podcast, Jay Lewis, who

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Speaker 1: was a captain in the United States Army. Jason started

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Speaker 1: but first we want to welcome him. Jason, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Thanks for having me. Steve, Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming. And this is something as I talked to

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Speaker 1: so tonight's is the number one, with approximately one point

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Speaker 1: supposed to seal off your ears somehow, and uh, you

426
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: know that's kind of what the pel tours do. But

427
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: these the pel tours are huge, right, I mean they're

428
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: they're like they're gigantic, and then that that you know,

429
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: whether they're working. You know, I never I never wore

430
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: pel tours in in in uh in combat, you know.

431
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: And again I never wore anything but my radio monitoring

432
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: earbud in my ear um. You know. So it's just

433
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: because this the hearing protection, it ends up being a

434
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: safety hazard. I've been remissed, and uh I haven't you know,

435
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: asked you to share with our listeners your website where

436
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: all those physics it's easy www. That's with tonitus dot org.

437
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, you can go on there and can find

438
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: all kinds of good resources that will you know. It's

439
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: really the websites just meant to one just have a network,

440
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: create a network, creates something for veterans to be able

441
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: to go to uh talk you know, and see that

442
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: that they're not alone. UM. Also, you know there is

443
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: a and you know, I've got a day job, so

444
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have all the time in the

445
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: world to spend doing this. UM. But you know, I

446
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: think I think the long term that needs to happen

447
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: is not just the the diagnosis of tanitas, the treatment

448
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: of tanitas. I think for our current warfighters you know,

449
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: who are out there in the field right now, that

450
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 1: the military really owes them better hearing protection. UM. And

451
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: I think you know you're you're most promising again is

452
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: this bone conducting radio. Because until you can somehow uh

453
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: remove the earpiece that you're using to monitor your radio

454
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: and combat, you can't You're not gonna be able to

455
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: implement hearing protection. It's a joke. It's all just for show, okay.

456
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: And you know on your website you you mentioned the

457
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: National Center for Rehability of our Auditory Research. UM. And

458
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: then what are some of the other things I mean

459
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: we talked about, um, you know, like for sleep time,

460
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: but what are some of the other things that people

461
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: can do to manage it, like uh, without happen to

462
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: go to a doctor. Is there any other things that

463
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: you can share with our listeners? About that. Well, I

464
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: mean I have my own you know, I can give

465
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: my own personal Um. You know there's a lot of

466
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: good you know that. Well, I shouldn't say a lot.

467
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: There's some books out there. Um, there are all some

468
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: gurus out there who are trying to get your money. Um,

469
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: so you've got to watch those guys. But um, I

470
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: think you know, and a lot of things that I've

471
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: heard in it's almost like, I don't want to call

472
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: it a philosophy, but you just have to have a

473
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: mindset of of the tenitus is not going to become

474
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: front and center in your mind and and and ambush

475
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: your day. Uh. You know, I can have different mornings

476
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: where I wake up and hear the birds chirping, I

477
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: can hear my kids eating, you know, at the breakfast table,

478
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: and and there's no tenitis. Right, There's just days like that.

479
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: And you know there's other mornings where I can wake

480
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: up and bam, the tenitis is right there. Or like

481
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: you said, when you're in a in a silent room, bam,

482
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: the tanitis is right there. I think one of the

483
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: things that really helped me to to Chris Martin, he's

484
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: the guy from Coldplay, and he said this as well, um,

485
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: is to just realize that tonitas is just another system,

486
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: right that makes noise, uh and and and or it

487
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: does make noise, but it's just one more system in

488
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: your body, like your heart's always pumping, or your your

489
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: lungs you're always breathing. Um, you know. And that kind

490
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: of putting in its putting tenitis in its place and

491
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: keeping it there has been really powerful for me to

492
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: overcome letting tonight's kind of get out of the get

493
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: out of the cage and and and start affecting my

494
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: quality of life because you know there's days you know,

495
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: when I when I was really struggling with it, I

496
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: would be so irritable, you know, on days where I'm

497
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: really struggling with tenitis that you know, it affects the

498
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: way I treat my kids, the way I treat my wife,

499
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: and so um, it took me a long time to

500
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: just put in place the rhythms, the routines of how

501
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: I think about tenitis. You know, don't let it become

502
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: this overwhelming monster in your life. You know that you

503
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: think you know, you just can't live with it anymore.

504
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: You just gotta put tnitis in its place and keep

505
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: it there, and and and and you know that's worked

506
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: for me at least. Sure Now, is there any kind

507
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: of support system out there for people who suffer, especially

508
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: some of the people that suffer with it and you

509
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: know in a severe form. Well, I've I'm a part

510
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: of a Facebook group of not veterans, and that's kind

511
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: of where, you know, I felt that there is something

512
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: lacking and for veterans specifically, because we uh, you know,

513
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: it would be like a you know, if a group

514
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: of old rockers want to, like, you know, get together

515
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, my you know, well yeah we played

516
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: that music pretty loud. Now we're all struggling and suffering

517
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: with venitis UM. You know, so for veterans, you know,

518
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, the the v A recognizes it. But again,

519
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: the VAS, you know, and the VA is getting a

520
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: lot better. I will tell you, I am impressed with

521
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: how how good the VA is getting UM over the

522
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: last few years, UM, in terms of calling you back

523
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: and following up and making sure that you know, and

524
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: even with this tonitus research. UM, it's amazing how good

525
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: that the VA is getting versus what it was even

526
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, even ten years ago. So you know

527
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: that that network though, UM, again, I think this is

528
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: just something that I personally want to talk about, UM.

529
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: You know. And and if I even reach you know,

530
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: one person who's really struggling with tenitas and just doesn't

531
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: see how their life can go on with tanitas, you know, hey,

532
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: I would just offer them hope that you know, you

533
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: can have quality of life UM right alongside with tanitas

534
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: and UM, you know, and that's what I enjoy today.

535
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's it was a rough road, but you

536
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: know you can get there now. Is there is there

537
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: anything on the horizon. Have you seen that our hearing

538
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: protection is going to improve for especially the military guys

539
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: out there? Well, I know they did a study with

540
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: three of the biggest bone conducting UH headphone UM companies,

541
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: and they did this study and and all three were

542
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: fair to middling. You know, they were good products, but

543
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: they just weren't you know, mass producible and stuff you

544
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: want to really issue. I guess they're kind of a

545
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: little bit gun shy after their three m debacle of

546
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: issuing anything that's gonna say, hey, this is gonna protect

547
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: your ears. UM. But I honestly have not seen anything

548
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: that you know is on the horizon that it's as

549
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: being touted by anybody because hearing protection, again is just

550
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: something that's so like, it's it's not interesting. It's not

551
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: talked about. Um. You you you don't really see the

552
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: effects of it right away, like if it was a

553
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 1: traumatic brain injury, uh you know, or or you know,

554
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: you got shot like those are okay, I know, you

555
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: know those are those are upfront issues that happened to

556
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: a person in combat. But hearing damage is just one

557
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: of those things that's you know, um, out of sight,

558
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: out of mind. And I think that's how the military

559
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: approaches it because I don't I know, they do have

560
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: some organizations, uh within the v A, but I've picked

561
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: through a lot of that information and it's just a

562
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: lot of research, but there's not a lot of talk

563
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: about how are we going to protect the war fighters

564
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: hearing right now today? I mean, if another combat or

565
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: if another war kicks off today, you know, I'm sure

566
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: everything I've seen, our guys are still going in um

567
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: two these combat zones with the same type of hearing

568
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: protection that we had back in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yeah,

569
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: that's the sad part. And again, I mean I think

570
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: it has to be a command influence type thing where

571
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, we have to start ensuring that junior leaders

572
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: right down to the squad level make sure that guys

573
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: are protecting their hearing. Um. I, like I said, I

574
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: started doing it way too late. Yeah, you nailed it.

575
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: That's exactly. It's got to be a you know, you've

576
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: got to get down to the to the you know,

577
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: the squad leader level, where that squad leader is taking

578
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: hearing protection seriously just as much as I protection. You know,

579
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: I can remember always wearing eye protection in combat just

580
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: in case of wortar round goes off or something and

581
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: you you've got eye protection on. I think they were

582
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: like Oakley's. So that's something that you could implement. The

583
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: hearing protection is really difficult to implement because of the

584
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, because you have to monitor the radio and so.

585
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: But you know, but overcoming that, you mean, I know

586
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: we can we you know that there's got to be

587
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: the technology. We can create the technology, but yeah, implementing

588
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: it would be the more difficult piece because you know,

589
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, going around making sure everybody's got their hearing protection.

590
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: That's easy to do on the fire on the practice

591
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: firing line. You know, when you're in training but in combat,

592
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, that's like one of the last things you're

593
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: thinking about, is hearing protection. Right. Yeah. Well, as I said,

594
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: I I learned about it way too late. Uh you know.

595
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: It was after I was out of the military. Off

596
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: a good friend of my wife's, Don I. He was

597
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: a head roady for a couple of years with Metallica,

598
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: and we saw them at a big stadium concert. We

599
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: were actually on the stage with them in their sound system.

600
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: Was a lot taller than I was, and I put

601
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: ear plugs in because I had learned the hard way

602
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: that I know my ears would be ringing for a

603
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: week afterwards. Well you know, I could still hear the

604
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: music or you could feel it right through your bones

605
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: up on the stage. Yeah, but everybody that was with

606
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: us talked about how their ears are ringing for days afterwards,

607
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: and I always remember that. I was like, yeah, I

608
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: learned that wasn't the hard way. So yeah, and it's

609
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: something well, my grandfather he worked in car washes. He

610
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: had tenitus and he had to go to sleep every night.

611
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: He had to have the television on, you know. But

612
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: I think our generation is just gonna get I mean,

613
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: you know again, already fifty million Americans UM already suffering

614
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: the size. You know, where they really have focused and

615
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: made it a national priorities in Great Britain. In Great Britain,

616
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: they have all kinds of organizations and supporting organizations and

617
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: research and national campaigns to uh, you know, make tenitis

618
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: awareness of priority because so many people in Britain are

619
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: struggling with it. So I mean, you know, I'm I'm

620
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I know there's other people out

621
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: there that are, um, you know, trying to trying to

622
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: make this awareness. You know, tonight is awareness. You know,

623
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: there's so many things competing for attention these days. But

624
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I just I really you know,

625
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: why I'm doing these podcasts and why I've got this

626
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: website is just too address. You know, those those individuals

627
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: that just looking for resources, looking for a network, um,

628
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: just so they know, hey, you're not alone, and that

629
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: also that they know that this is something that happened

630
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: to you. This is not just some ghost that's haunting you,

631
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: that you this happened to you. Just as much as

632
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: if you know, if you know an I D goes

633
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: off and that that concussion hit your body, you know,

634
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: when that when those mortars go off of the gunfire

635
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: or any kind of the loud noises that is happening

636
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: to your that is physically happening to your ear drums

637
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: and damaging your ear drums. So I think that needs

638
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Speaker 1: to be known more broadly because like I like, we've

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Speaker 1: talked about, you know, with v ages. Okay, well we

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Speaker 1: got Tonight's move on. You know, there's not a lot

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Speaker 1: of real counseling with Hey, you know, this could develop

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Speaker 1: into an issue of mental health for you, and we're

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Speaker 1: here if you need us, right and uh again for

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Speaker 1: our listeners out there especially, I'm sure most of our

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00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: listeners who served in the military, they probably have some

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Speaker 1: form of hearing laws or tonight is so again www

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Speaker 1: vets with Tonitus dot org. Check out the website and

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Speaker 1: you know there's also a tab in there where they

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Speaker 1: can donate to help and explain that to our listeners

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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I mean that's just there to on

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Speaker 1: a cover costs. I would like to travel to, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of these audiology conferences v A conferences, set up

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Speaker 1: a booth and just you know, and I've got a

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Speaker 1: day job, you know, and I've got five kids that

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Speaker 1: are in school, so I don't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: time to devote to this, but when I can pick

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Speaker 1: up a podcast interview, UM, or if I can, you know,

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00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: travel to these conferences and just start to be you know,

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Speaker 1: bang the DRUMA on this issue about tonitas. UM that

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Speaker 1: it is. It is a mental health issue. UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: you couple like a guy with pt I've got I'm

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Speaker 1: ready for PTSD, and then you know antonitas, you know,

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Speaker 1: or or especially they did a research with the people

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Speaker 1: with brain traumatic brain injury, and and you know, they're

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Speaker 1: already in a category where they have more likely have

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Speaker 1: thoughts of suicide, more more likely to have high anxiety

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Speaker 1: in their life, um, low quality of life, you know,

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Speaker 1: and so tonitus adds to that. It's not you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not just like just some other thing that's an outlier.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's canna be a front and center issue

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Speaker 1: just as much as an the other problem we come

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Speaker 1: out of the military with. Yeah, that's something I definitely

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Speaker 1: have to get updated because I'm at for chronic pain

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Speaker 1: due to injury's results of you know what we did,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I have zero right now for tonight's or

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Speaker 1: hearing loss. And that's that's been documented in my in

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Speaker 1: my records since the days of being in the seventh

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Speaker 1: Special Forces Group. So that's something else that you know,

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Speaker 1: I never thought of it that way that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the chronic pain combined with that the lack of sleep

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Speaker 1: can make things worse. So that's something that I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have to look into personally. Yeah, you're a double whammy

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Speaker 1: because this research put um paper that that was put

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Speaker 1: out in Sweeten they actually, uh, they likened suffers of

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Speaker 1: Tonita's with sufferers of chronic pain, and so it was

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Speaker 1: kind of the same demographic, kind of the same issue,

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Speaker 1: same uh thoughts of suicide rates or suicide rates you know,

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Speaker 1: higher than the general population. Um, you know, so I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, a lot of our veterans today, I

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Speaker 1: mean they've we've got a lot of veterans from Afghanistan

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Speaker 1: and I rect commits suicide, you know, and that's tragic.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, something like this, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, you really want to catch these guys. You

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Speaker 1: want to build support networks around these guys. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've been out of the military now for ten years

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Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'm adjusted, right, but you know, um,

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Speaker 1: that's come at a cost, and that hasn't been easy.

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Speaker 1: And I know a lot of your listeners you know, um,

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Speaker 1: you know you you've just gone through you know, when

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Speaker 1: you get out, you finish the military, you know, you

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Speaker 1: don't have a huge network of people that have done

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Speaker 1: what you've done, especially in the soft community. UM, you

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Speaker 1: know you're even more limited and who your network can be. Yeah? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And again check out the website that's what Tonight's dot

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Speaker 1: org and there's a tabing their resources. I mentioned it

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Speaker 1: briefly earlier, the National Center for Rehabilitative Auditory Research. UM,

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Speaker 1: there's a progressive Tonight's management workbook that you can click

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Speaker 1: on and download right there. If people are suffering with that,

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Speaker 1: if you know someone or you're someone who's suffering with it,

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00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 1: you can download the workbook and and check it out

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Speaker 1: and hopefully, uh get some relief in that. But Jason,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for your time. Is there

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Speaker 1: anything else you'd like to add, you know, to our

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Speaker 1: listeners out there about this issue? Now, it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a pleasure, and you know, I know it's you know,

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Speaker 1: we come from kind of a tough guy culture. You know,

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Speaker 1: the last thing a guy wants to do is admit

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Speaker 1: that a little bit of ringing in his ears is

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Speaker 1: causing him anxiety. But I would say, you know that

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Speaker 1: that is a serious issue TONIGHTUS is no joke. And

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Speaker 1: if you get on you know some of these famous

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Speaker 1: uh you know people that are starting to come on

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Speaker 1: online about tonitas, you know, it just takes you know

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Speaker 1: a few people talking about it. Um, you're not less

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Speaker 1: of a man if you if if you have an

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00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: issues about or less of a woman having issues with tonitas. Um,

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Speaker 1: I will be the first to say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: it caused me a lot of anxiety and and problems

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Speaker 1: um for quite a while, and it took me a

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Speaker 1: long time to learn to live with it. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I would just say there is there is hope out there,

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Speaker 1: and you can manage tonitas and you can live with tonitas.

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Speaker 1: Al Right, Well, Jason, thank you very much for joining

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, we want to thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, talking about this issue, it's always

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Speaker 1: something we're always looking out for our veterans and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, hopefully, uh we'll find a happy medium for

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Speaker 1: all this stuff. But thanks again for joining us here

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Speaker 1: on software dot com and the Software Radio podcast, and uh,

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Speaker 1: take care. Thanks, thank you for the opportunity use them.

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