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Speaker 5: But for us looking at this pendulumce wing, do you

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Speaker 1: it in team sports plus golf, tennis and individual sports,

438
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Speaker 1: then we've made it. So he went got it. And

439
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Speaker 1: he's a brilliant sports writer. He's always on the side

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Speaker 1: of women. He was great. He covered us earlier than

441
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Speaker 1: when he and Bud Collins and Barry Lords were the

442
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Speaker 1: three guys that absolutely love women's tennis and just stood

443
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Speaker 1: by us through thick and thin as writers.

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Speaker 5: As we studied these guys in journalism school, they treated

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Speaker 5: women like human beings, which was not Again.

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Speaker 1: No, we used to drive with them, they take us

447
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Speaker 1: to tournaments. That's when we're small though. It's so different now, well.

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question about that, because you know,

449
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Speaker 5: from our perspective we make this magazine. Part of the

450
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Speaker 5: magazine is an attempt to have a conversation about modern

451
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Speaker 5: tennis culture.

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Speaker 3: Want to bring in more people, and.

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Speaker 1: We do, but that's the players have to step up

454
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Speaker 1: and do a lot of work, and they don't. They

455
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Speaker 1: they need media training. They don't know how to sell.

456
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Speaker 1: You've got to know how to sell your sport, and

457
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Speaker 1: you know how you sell your sport by promoting others.

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Speaker 6: But Billy, it's impossible because these players are now making

459
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Speaker 6: no I think they's a good player, or like a

460
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Speaker 6: top ten players making upwards of three.

461
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Speaker 1: To five millions, But how many people make about anybody else? Well,

462
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Speaker 1: they have to they have to go through rookie school.

463
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Speaker 1: I think I've been talking to wtabout.

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Speaker 6: Most plays when they come on some kind of you

465
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Speaker 6: don't get to play the tour until you do rookie school.

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Speaker 3: Time out pros rookie school, explain what's rookie school.

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Speaker 1: We haven't come in. They have to get their card

468
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Speaker 1: to be on the tour, and they would learn the

469
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Speaker 1: history and they learned media training. They learn how to

470
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Speaker 1: be a pro. They need to understand money, and they

471
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Speaker 1: need to understand that agents can take them to the

472
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Speaker 1: cleaners as easily as anybody on an accountant. They need

473
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Speaker 1: to pay attention. They need to have their own mind

474
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Speaker 1: and not just listen to their agent, which they do

475
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Speaker 1: too much. The agents rule the game. They need to

476
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Speaker 1: have their own brains involved them. This is about them.

477
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Speaker 1: It's about the association, which is a union. You've got

478
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Speaker 1: to make us as powerful as possible, and all they

479
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Speaker 1: talk about is winning majors. Now it's a big mistake.

480
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Speaker 1: They should be talking about winning tour events and how

481
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Speaker 1: exciting the tour is and the majors. But majors are well,

482
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Speaker 1: we did not care about the majors at all. We

483
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Speaker 1: did not care about the majors. Is the reason we

484
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Speaker 1: have women. We have professional tennis. Now, do you want

485
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Speaker 1: to go back to four majors a year? Great, have

486
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Speaker 1: them go for it, Just have four tournaments a year.

487
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Speaker 1: And they go, whoa, we don't want that. Well, I said, yeah,

488
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Speaker 1: yess what you do then you talk about the tours

489
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Speaker 1: like a warm up. You cannot do that. Wherever you

490
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Speaker 1: are is the most important tournament match you're playing. So

491
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Speaker 1: you always talk about locally how great everybody is is.

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Speaker 1: If it's the worst court you've played on, the lighting

493
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Speaker 1: is the worst, you don't say it. Be quiet because

494
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Speaker 1: someone has taken a risk. It's a high risk to

495
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Speaker 1: do tournaments for you, and it takes all year long

496
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Speaker 1: to do a one week tournament. So every time you

497
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Speaker 1: bomp in for your week here and there, someone paid, right,

498
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Speaker 1: And then I asked the players, I said, did you

499
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Speaker 1: get paid? And they got a well, of course I

500
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Speaker 1: got paid. Did you have you ever asked the promoter

501
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Speaker 1: if he or she made any money that week because

502
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Speaker 1: they took a huge risk for you. They go, what

503
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Speaker 1: do you mean? I go, well, maybe they lost money,

504
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Speaker 1: you got paid, but did they They're in business. This

505
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Speaker 1: isn't supposed to be funning games for them.

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Speaker 4: So how do you?

507
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Speaker 1: Larry and I own tournaments? See this is I don't

508
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Speaker 1: think the players learn their business. You're a tennis player,

509
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Speaker 1: learn the business because after tennis you'll have opportunities because

510
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Speaker 1: of that. But because we own tournaments, teams and team

511
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Speaker 1: tennis league, I understand the business a little bit, not great,

512
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Speaker 1: but I understand it enough that everybody has to get

513
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Speaker 1: something out of it. And I don't think the players

514
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Speaker 1: think like that.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question, because because at least not.

516
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Speaker 1: The players off, why don't get to talk to him

517
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Speaker 1: that much? In all fair that you guys do? What

518
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Speaker 1: do you think I told you?

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's so much money that they're making now,

520
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Speaker 6: particularly the tops, the top players.

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Speaker 4: They don't.

522
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Speaker 1: I know, But if you go deep deep, the lot

523
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Speaker 1: of kids aren't making it right.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, how outside of the top seventy,

525
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Speaker 6: how many still how eighty and you're still making a

526
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Speaker 6: decent living. You're making over one hundred thousand dollars in

527
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Speaker 6: first round prize money.

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Speaker 1: My understanding is it takes two hundred thousand a year. Now, yeah,

529
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Speaker 1: they do it right, it does.

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Speaker 6: But they're making what's the first round prize money or fifty,

531
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Speaker 6: But it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about how deep do you think we should

533
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Speaker 1: go for players to make two hundred or more.

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Speaker 3: Top two fifty. I don't know, no, No, I would

535
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Speaker 3: love a huge door.

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Speaker 5: Why not basketball, you were the one hundredth best player

537
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Speaker 5: in the league and you still make money.

538
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Speaker 6: If you're inside the top one hundred, you're making difference.

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Speaker 6: If you're inside the top one hundred, we could look

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Speaker 6: it up, but you're making a couple of hundred a

541
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Speaker 6: year at least.

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Speaker 1: Well, now you know the players want more than one

543
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Speaker 1: hundred players taken care of because you've got one hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty eight in the major drive Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're listen.

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Speaker 6: I just think that they it's very the lower rank

547
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Speaker 6: players feel like they don't have a big enough voice

548
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Speaker 6: because they're not quote nut, not important enough to the

549
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Speaker 6: sponsors or to the tournaments, and the top players are

550
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Speaker 6: making so much money, they don't.

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Speaker 4: They don't really care.

552
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Speaker 3: They don't.

553
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Speaker 4: They don't care.

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Speaker 1: See, we top players because we're the first generation. Like

555
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Speaker 1: Julie was talking, really we cared for the others and

556
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Speaker 1: that's why we made it as well. These kids today

557
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Speaker 1: already have it like you're right, the top one because

558
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Speaker 1: oh for sure what we were talking about. Oh yeah, absolutely,

559
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Speaker 1: but they need That's why you need a rookie school

560
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Speaker 1: to have them sit there, not concentrate.

561
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Speaker 3: And go through the sea.

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Speaker 1: The more you know about history, the more you know

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Speaker 1: about yourself. And then I because I asked the kid,

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Speaker 1: I asked the players. I go, how do you want

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Speaker 1: the game to look five years from now? This is

566
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Speaker 1: your sport? How do you want to look five years

567
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Speaker 1: to They get this look like you know, they've never

568
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Speaker 1: thought of it.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question because to me.

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Speaker 1: Because they have the power, they can help change.

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Speaker 5: Well, like you were talking about, Julie Faty, the players

572
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Speaker 5: of the power, Let me ask you a question because well.

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Speaker 1: Actually we don't have a lot of power. Because we

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Speaker 1: don't we have more power than the soccer girls.

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Speaker 5: Or we want to bring people back to this time

576
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Speaker 5: in kind of the seventies, eighties, every week mattered. Agents

577
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 5: were not taking over the game. It wasn't a collaboration

578
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Speaker 5: between three agents and huge tournaments making majors at the

579
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Speaker 5: expense of everything else.

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Speaker 3: Tennis was a.

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Speaker 5: Culture, and culture was tennis, and it was a little

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Speaker 5: bit more of a lifestyle sport in the way that

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Speaker 5: it was approachable and it wasn't just about excellent and dominance,

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Speaker 5: which is what I think is another way of looking

585
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Speaker 5: at I.

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Speaker 1: Disagree with you because Larry and I in nineteen sixty

587
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Speaker 1: two were sitting at the library at cal State, LA,

588
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Speaker 1: and I said, I want tennis to be a big sport.

589
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Speaker 1: Huge says it'll never be a huge sport. Well, first,

590
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Speaker 1: I was a biochemistry major, so he had some brains.

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Speaker 1: He's a geek. I love geeks. And I said what

592
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Speaker 1: and he goes, I'll tell you why. He said, well,

593
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Speaker 1: how many people are gone after the first round? I went, uh, oh,

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Speaker 1: I already figured it out when he said that fifty

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Speaker 1: gone after the first round, seventy five are gone after

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Speaker 1: second round. Since nobody will ever know except the top

597
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Speaker 1: three players and the top three men top three women

598
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Speaker 1: will own the game, and they still do. Okay, that's

599
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Speaker 1: why we want a team because with team you can

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Speaker 1: grow the sport. Kids want to be on teams. They

601
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Speaker 1: don't want to be by themselves. Usually some a few

602
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Speaker 1: kids do. But you've got singles for them, you know.

603
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Speaker 1: Even with team tennis format, we have everything. We've got

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Speaker 1: every set of everything. I mean, I'm watching the collegiate

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Speaker 1: thing on tennis channel last night. I'm like, I can't

606
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Speaker 1: watch this. They got eight courts going. Who do you watch?

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Speaker 1: Tennis could be the third largest sport in NC double

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Speaker 1: A if we had team doesn't have to be team

609
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Speaker 1: tennis format particularly but team no, the whole team on

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Speaker 1: one court like the basketball court. We could be the

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Speaker 1: third largest sport in collegiate sports. And nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: make changes. They go, oh, we have three doubles now,

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Speaker 1: it makes it shorter. Now they've actually made not worth much.

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Speaker 4: That you got really close to them.

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Speaker 1: Because I see it, because I love collegiate tennis. I

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Speaker 1: watch it. I endowed the A. Levit Death Award, which

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Speaker 1: is a leadership award, you know, because we have our

618
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Speaker 1: leadership anyway. I love Anne Levit, deaf doctor Ann Levi Death.

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Speaker 1: She's a great educator, great coach at Pomona. She deserved this,

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Speaker 1: this award, So I got it in her name and

621
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Speaker 1: that goes to the leader of It's a leadership award

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Speaker 1: with the ITA, the Intercollegiate Tennis Association. I love collegiate tennis.

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Speaker 1: I played a little college before we had title night.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I can see this potential so clearly, and

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Speaker 1: it's vision equals reality I have. The vision is so

626
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Speaker 1: obvious in my mind, and we've had it forever and nobody.

627
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Speaker 1: Nobody thinks worth. Everyone thinks we're paying in the ass.

628
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Speaker 1: So you know it's okay, it's not gonna happen. No,

629
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Speaker 1: but they're not going to do it, and they need

630
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Speaker 1: to do it because they could be the third large

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Speaker 1: sport instead of this minor sport.

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Speaker 3: But let's talk about that. So I played college tennis.

633
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine you played team tennis on one court.

634
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Speaker 1: I would have loved men and women loved it. How

635
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Speaker 1: about media wise, what we could do with that. We'd

636
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Speaker 1: be the first sport men and women on equally on

637
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Speaker 1: the same team. Nobody sees it. They don't want to change.

638
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Speaker 3: My first year in NT double A, I was a

639
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Speaker 3: double specialist as most.

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Speaker 1: You would have loved. You would have guys, are you

641
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Speaker 1: better when you play right or left court?

642
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Speaker 3: I played side. I like an inside out for it

643
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Speaker 3: and back in bal so.

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Speaker 5: But my first year nine courts best in nine doubles

645
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Speaker 5: each court is one then, which is too many. But

646
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Speaker 5: I agree with you, but in an effort to condense

647
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Speaker 5: it and de emphasize doubles, which is hard.

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Speaker 1: And then and then if I know, oh, and they

649
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Speaker 1: say how crucial it is, I tell you, guys are

650
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Speaker 1: full of it. No, it's terrible. I hate it.

651
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Speaker 5: People, these ideas about how to change things, these ideas

652
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Speaker 5: about how to focus. Going back, and I want to

653
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Speaker 5: talk about World Team Tennis a little bit. The best

654
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Speaker 5: match I think I might have seen last year was

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Speaker 5: Taylor Townsend's great.

656
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Speaker 3: He was great. Who is we lovely weaponized for World

657
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: Team Tennis? A perfect format for her?

658
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: Ye, because play singles doubles, a mix.

659
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: Play singles doubles, a mixed lefty servant barer.

660
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 5: Dangerous personality shows your personality gets fired up.

661
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: And that's what we have to have. We have to

662
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: have personalities. And she's not top.

663
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: Ten curious would love playing Team Tennis all year round?

664
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: He would.

665
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: He talks about it. He doesn't like being out there.

666
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: On his own. He socially needs people.

667
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: I think that's why he likes Labor Cup so much.

668
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: So let's talk about WORLL Team Tennis a little bit.

669
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: Where are we now.

670
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: World Team Tennis. We sold the league. We have no

671
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: idea it's gonna go. We still own the freedoms, which

672
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: I adore, but I don't know where it's gonna go.

673
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: I don't personally I would do a I don't know

674
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: if I continue to do the World Team Tennis the

675
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: way we do it, but I don't have any say.

676
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: But we do have billionaires involved now, which makes a

677
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: huge difference. You know, Fred Letty and.

678
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: Billionaires hop with a lot of things.

679
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah they do because they can lose money

680
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: for a while and then they get to a tipping

681
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: point and then they make money hopefully. I don't think

682
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: with a tennis calendar the way it's set up now. Unfortunately,

683
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: I personally probably would have gone to it if I

684
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: still if we still owned it. We probably with billions,

685
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: we would. If we had billions, we probably would have

686
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: a What I've wanted since nineteen sixty six is a

687
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: World Cup with co ed. Now maybe maybe the I

688
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: T F will eventually do it, because they basically have

689
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: Fed Cup and the Dates Cup. But I still think

690
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: and then they had Hotman Cup, but that's I don't

691
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: like the format. It's too long.

692
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: You mean, do you like it?

693
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: Did you like it?

694
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 6: You think it was I liked the concept because it's yeah.

695
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: But we started that in seventy four everybody, but.

696
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's too long. You have two matches and it's

697
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: too long.

698
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: They're trying to do tournament tennis. They're always tennis. People

699
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 1: cannot handle too much change and nobody can really. But

700
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: now we've come, We've come a long way. Now we

701
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: should be able to do this.

702
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 4: Become a long way baby. But wait, I want to

703
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: get We need a World Cup.

704
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: Though I think you're right that would be fun.

705
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: But just thinking about the collegie, what would do for

706
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: us tennis if we were a number three sport in

707
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: the country, we would be with Team Tennis or that

708
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: type of thing. Because you play everything on one court.

709
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: It's like watching a basketball game, a baseball game, a

710
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: singles tennis man, it's.

711
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: Like everybody knows where to focus, which you've got.

712
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: I hate and I hate discounting doubles. I hate discounting.

713
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: In fact, I think we should I should try to

714
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: uplift doubles because it's a team. At least it's two people.

715
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: It's more than one people. Your kids like friends, they

716
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: want to play with their.

717
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 5: I actually think we on the pro tour should make

718
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 5: we not be on the should make doubles mandatory.

719
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: You can't play singles, you should do you know what.

720
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 6: I'm actually enjoying the fact that over the last couple

721
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 6: of months, in this year in particular, we're seeing a

722
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 6: lot of top women and men players actually playing a

723
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 6: lot of doubles.

724
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 4: The past is playing a lot of doubles. Team is

725
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 4: playing a lot of doubles.

726
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 6: The younger generation of the men are playing a lot

727
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 6: of doubles on tour, which is great, and every week

728
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 6: can some of.

729
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 4: Them are getting the finals.

730
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: They should because it helps her volley and thread the

731
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: needle and on returns. It helps all kinds.

732
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 6: Of things, everything as rank, communication, everye.

733
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 5: When you're young, Sablenca, when you're playing every week and

734
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 5: you're young and you're trying to find your footing, to

735
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 5: have camaraderie, ship and a chance to.

736
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: Have fun, the crowds eat it up. The biggest match.

737
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 5: I went to last year was it Indian Wells Sabolenca,

738
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 5: Victoria Azarenka playing North America Sweethearts Genie Bouchard and Clon Stevens.

739
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 5: And you had to there turning people away, right, so

740
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 5: people will come for it. It's just another thing where

741
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 5: it's like you've got to get the top place to

742
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 5: get that's the problem, the problem and.

743
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: The travel of tennis. It's always got to be the

744
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: top two or three.

745
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 6: But it makes them, it makes them realize that doubles

746
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 6: is a different game and a lot of respects, and

747
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 6: it courts people, get them to go and watch, and

748
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 6: then you'll you'll get a top singles couple of singles

749
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 6: players playing against a really well established doubles only team

750
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 6: and they recognize how good the doubles only team is.

751
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 5: For example, they played doubles only, so I mean just

752
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 5: Bruno Suirez and that giant beast of a man, well,

753
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 5: just Jamie Murray.

754
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: Is so he plays with Sir Jamie. You know you

755
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: got neither.

756
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 6: That's Andy and now knighted. Yes, I watched a lot

757
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 6: of Game of Thrones and I was a little worried

758
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 6: when you put the sword on the shoulders, like I

759
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 6: was a little worried.

760
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: I got to say. It was like, I love Andy Murray.

761
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: That's a great feminine, feminine you know, he's for everybody.

762
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: That's why I love me. That's what a great feminist is.

763
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: You're for everyone, You're a humanist.

764
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

765
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, A bunch of structural stuff because to me, this

766
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 5: is how you make change, right, So you get there.

767
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: Nobody, nobody, nobody agrees with with the lawn on me

768
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: and on anything. I think World Team Tennis, we've added

769
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: two new teams and they're gonna maybe keep adding which

770
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: they got CBS and they got CBS Sports Channel. They

771
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: got both. They're gonna have a couple of matches I

772
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: think at least one or more on CBS, and I

773
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: think that's huge. And then they got something in China,

774
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: so they're doing some great stuff in if they want

775
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: to keep adding teams. Helps markets because every time you

776
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: have a team or a tournament or anything in a market,

777
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: it helps themmunity. Tennis and community tennis is where we're

778
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: going to get the new kids.

779
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 5: So part of Bracket what I want to do is

780
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 5: get Team Tennis partly Downtown refurbished some of the courts.

781
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 5: Get it real youth, not to not to take away

782
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 5: from the great village in King National Tennis and or

783
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 5: replace I played this, but just just more bigger.

784
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: Because you need you need, you need free, you need access,

785
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: free access, free access in every park possible. That's how

786
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: I learned. That's how my brother became amazing baseball player. Public.

787
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 6: I paid one hundred and whatever was it, tony dollars

788
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 6: to have my membership Exactually the public parks here.

789
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: In New York, Billy Billy, we we.

790
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 5: Like that fact.

791
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't like the fact you had to pay for No.

792
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 4: I know I don't either.

793
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: We pay a lot of taxes.

794
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 6: Court a crap, We pay a lot of taxes, by

795
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 6: the way, trying to avoid where was it down there

796
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 6: where I live?

797
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: The master is a tree or something you just get

798
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: out and hit exactly. I'm not complaining.

799
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 4: I'm just saying you.

800
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: Had to go down the tree.

801
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 4: Well, no, it was a couple of cracks, RAN's cracks.

802
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: It's good for me where you come from, right, That's

803
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: what I do. When we go on a cruise, we

804
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: get off and you know, I don't now, but I

805
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: used to go play and you could always find a court.

806
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: You can't they were. We were so excited we didn't care.

807
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: We seen Tenno's court.

808
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: Totally didn't matter where it was the world.

809
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: Your partner a lot of class South African, Yes, one

810
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: of another.

811
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: She was never one was one. So no lefty, no,

812
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: no small servant.

813
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm just making sure like the given. I

814
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 4: want to talk a little bit about the fact that.

815
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 6: You have mentioned the Freedoms that you still love still

816
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 6: because I love I love the.

817
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 4: Last time you won that anyway anyway, sorry.

818
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: That was with you and you and Lisa right what

819
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: you was that six?

820
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: I don't know you should remember.

821
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: I don't remember remember the last time the.

822
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: Philadelphia Freedoms one.

823
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 5: We should say for the uninitiated that Reneeus is a

824
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 5: veteran of world.

825
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: She was the best. Oh my god, Saint Louis Castles everything,

826
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: this girl. Miss. Yeah, we did we won, didn't we?

827
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: Or didn't we.

828
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 4: Last played with Larrys the fank Leaf, Shiris and Grossman.

829
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 4: We were terrible. Yeah, well that was too old. We

830
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 4: were too young.

831
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 6: But yeah, and then Saint Louis. Yeah, you guys won

832
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 6: City Royals. Yeah, I wish I played for Kansas City.

833
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 6: It's always I was on there the pay road page. Yeah,

834
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 6: but the freedoms because a lot of people know this

835
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 6: and a lot of people don't that Elton wrote the song.

836
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did write it for me. Yeah, and it

837
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: got the idea from the tennis because I used to

838
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: come and sit on the bench in seventy four. Seventy

839
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: four was the first year. First year was an inaugural year.

840
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: I actually was even drafted first, which was really that.

841
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: I gets so.

842
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 4: Excited prior to prior to him sitting on the bench.

843
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: So why how did you guys meet and how did that?

844
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: We met two weeks before the King Riggs match at

845
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: Jerry Parentio, who was the promoter of the King Riggs

846
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: match and also promoter of Bali Fraser and seventy one.

847
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: The guy is a great guy, and he's a TV guy,

848
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: so he's got your money and brilliant and he sold

849
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: Univision for billions. That's Jerry Pernshaw never wanted his photo

850
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: on anything, and that's why you don't know about him.

851
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: But he's he's amazing And.

852
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: For reference to the match is obviously the Battle of

853
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 3: the Sexes.

854
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy three tennis matches of all time. Yes,

855
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: that's when tennis exploded. The week after the king Riggs match.

856
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: You couldn't get on a court. That's what changed everything.

857
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: Okay, and you told me that you were going out

858
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 4: after seeing the movie.

859
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: You said that you were shitting yourself going.

860
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 3: Under the court.

861
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 5: Good.

862
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: It was really rough man, a lot of pressure. So anyway,

863
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: seventy four with Alton we met. Anyway, we met at

864
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: that party two weeks before the king Riggs match, and

865
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: then the whole the whole night, he's looking at me

866
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at him, and then his manager comes

867
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: over and says, this is ridiculous. Elton wants to see you,

868
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: but he's too shy, and I go diddoh. And so

869
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: I looked up at him and I go diddo. I'm

870
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: too shy too. But he'd been looking at me all

871
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: night and I've been looking at him. So he took

872
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: me over there. He says, Elton, this is Billy, Billy,

873
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: this is out, and start talking. So we started yeack

874
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: and we got along great right from the moment we

875
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: started talking, and then he left me a message at

876
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: the Gloucester six months later when I arrived in England

877
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: to call him.

878
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: This was probably to self fun.

879
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: And I call him and he goes. He comes over.

880
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: He goes, what are you doing? And and I go,

881
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: I just got in and he goes, well, can I

882
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: come over now? So he came over and his girls,

883
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: Royce and his forty three speakers, and we stayed up

884
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: until five thirty one and listening to music and talking.

885
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: And then fast forward to the summer of seventy four,

886
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: he started coming to the matches and I got ted

887
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: tenling to give to make a uniform for him. He

888
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: looks adorable in it. And then he sit on the

889
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 1: bench and start screaming at me and screaming at the player.

890
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: I says, go gotta win. Let's go like that. And

891
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: then we're going to a concert during the summer as well,

892
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: and we're in the back of the car and he

893
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: looks at me. He's I want to write a song

894
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: for you, and I went, I don't think I heard

895
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: him right in a way, So I said what He says,

896
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: what are we going to call it? I go, oh,

897
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: slow down, are you what did you just say I

898
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: want to write a song for you to call it?

899
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know. He says, how about Philadelphia Freedom?

900
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: I said that'd be great gift to the people of

901
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: Philadelphia forever, and it still is. They love it and

902
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: became number one. It crossed over into R and B

903
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: and became number one.

904
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 5: You know.

905
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: He he uh.

906
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: We're looking at a frame picture of.

907
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy five. I spent two days on stage, some

908
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: of the time with Elton John at Dodger Stadium and

909
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: there's a book out by Terry O'Neil who took all

910
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: the photos behind the scenes, and that's one of them

911
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: you're looking at. I'm on the stage with him, amazing,

912
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: and my hair was permed and the reason I permed

913
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: it to look like an afro sure is that black

914
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: is beautiful. It was in then cool and I wanted

915
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: people to think about it, but nobody ever said a

916
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: word in the press conference. I always there are all

917
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: white people, so I used to not say a word.

918
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: They never once had me about it.

919
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: Really unbelieved. But that's why that is so cool.

920
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 1: It just shows you how and who would have thought

921
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: you can't.

922
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: Cam Shriver thirty years later just.

923
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: Looked just like that totally. She got to the finals,

924
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: which was sixteen. I think it looked just like in

925
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. I think was it in at the

926
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: Open with Chris. The funny is the oversized racket. They

927
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: head racket Prince O Prince, I meant Howard, but Howard

928
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: had I think sure. The hilarity of this is.

929
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 4: That Elton had no hair on stage there and now

930
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 4: has more hair. Well, we know, but I think it.

931
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: It's so cute.

932
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: But okay, so aside from the relationship. A picture of

933
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 4: Pam no I remember, We'll find it.

934
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: We'll find it, believe me, Billy. She did two years.

935
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: She did two years of high school in one year.

936
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: Is it MacDougal or something muck something, Billy.

937
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 6: Our first ever racket magazine podcast was with Chrissy Okay,

938
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 6: and she told this funny story about you.

939
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 4: Oh my god, first of all, how much she loves you.

940
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: You know how much she loves I feel the same

941
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: about her.

942
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 6: She told a story about how she basically basically getting

943
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 6: schooled on clay.

944
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 4: And you want to you wanted to win.

945
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't win.

946
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 4: You wanted to the French okay, and you lost to Chrissy.

947
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 4: I believe when she was probably twelve.

948
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: I think it was all on one or I know, and.

949
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 4: Back then to get better. And this is what I

950
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 4: love about your generation. That you went down to Florida

951
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 4: to practice with Chrissy and she wasn't even going to.

952
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: The French No, that's the only reason I want it,

953
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: because she didn't go, and she said she trained with her. Yeah,

954
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: but I got so consistent with her, and she looked

955
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: at me, she just, man, you've gotten so much dead air,

956
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: and I go only because of you.

957
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 4: Well, she said that actually, how many how many French

958
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 4: opens did she win?

959
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, a few? Seven seven, she's going to be.

960
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: She's got that. She's got the winningest record of all

961
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: she does.

962
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: She does, and she got six. It's either six open

963
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: seven French or seven open six French. I think it's

964
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: I say seven six seven French. She definitely has got

965
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: the record.

966
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 4: Okay, but she claims that really technically she has one more.

967
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: Of course, she helped me in seventy two. She's absolutely

968
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: read it that I think she should. I think she should.

969
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: My goal because everybody used to give me a bad time.

970
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: I didn't care about majors, Okay. My job was to

971
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: get professional tennis. That's all I cared about. And I

972
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: wanted the tour to be strong because we take tennis

973
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: to the people. Literally. We had all the top talent going,

974
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: which made it work. So like we were playing the Virginia,

975
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: We're playing the Virginia Slims of San Francisco. During the Australian,

976
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: there's so many years we didn't go, and Chris and Martina,

977
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: by the way, had eighteen singles playing not playing the Australian,

978
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: many years playing team tennis. During the French. You look

979
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: at the French in the seventies, they're all b players

980
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: that won the French. Okay, because Chris Martinez, all of

981
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: us were playing team tennis, so they would have over

982
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: twenty four easily. And the two of them kept battling

983
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: with each word. Actually hurt him too, because.

984
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 4: I imagine if you didn't have She actually said that

985
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 4: if she didn't she said.

986
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: That she might have made her better. But they both

987
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: would have had thirty three or something. They both. We

988
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 1: were so lucky to have Chris and Martina as our first,

989
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: our second generation of players. Oh my god, they made

990
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: I cannot do it. When Chris showed up, we had

991
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: lines around because Larry and I owned the San Francisco

992
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: tournament the Virginia San Francisco with four other people because

993
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: we didn't have any money. We had the ideas. So anyway,

994
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: when she came the first year, which was I think

995
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: it was seventy four or five, she the crowds were

996
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: around the bubble lock at the Civic Center like you

997
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: would not believe. Like I mean, I showed up for practice,

998
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: I went, oh my god.

999
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 4: Did you think at that moment, Oh shit, I think

1000
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 4: we've done this.

1001
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, she was, but I already knew she was

1002
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: our superstar. I told the women during the open in

1003
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: seventy one, be nice to her because she's great. I said,

1004
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: be nice because I like her anyway, forget that. But

1005
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: on top of that, she's gonna put money in your pockets,

1006
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: and stop being mean to her. Let me let me

1007
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: I just know, I call the meeting with all the

1008
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: top players, the top eight. You have to be good

1009
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: to her, because first of all, she's because she's a

1010
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: good person, and she's really nice, and we're older and

1011
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: our job is to be hospitable to every single new

1012
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: person on this tour period. We are the leaders. So

1013
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: let's put all our little pettiness aside and be good

1014
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: to each other. Well, let me just so they were better.

1015
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: I think Chris Chris will be the gate She's the

1016
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: one that will gauge that.

1017
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 5: Well, you're not emphasizing majors, which I think is really

1018
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 5: really important.

1019
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all it ever is. It's all

1020
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: about I gotta win this next major. Every player on

1021
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: tennis channel, I'm thinking they need media training.

1022
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 3: That's not the definition of greatness.

1023
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: I mean.

1024
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 5: The most matches of all time, mixed singles, doubles, everything,

1025
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 5: what Martina like, just titles, number of titles. But we

1026
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 5: only have a couple of in's life. So I just

1027
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 5: want to say personally, you know, I went to college because.

1028
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: Of you, not because of me. You did it because

1029
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: of Congresswoman Edith Green, Patsy Mink, and Senator birch By. Actually,

1030
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: Senator birch By is the one actually wrote out I

1031
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: did help though I tried. I tried. I did try

1032
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: to support it, but they are the ones who who

1033
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: developed it, thought it up. The way title line came

1034
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: about is Edith Green, who was a congresswoman from Oregon,

1035
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: was listening to a bunch of senators, I think, and

1036
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: they were worried about an after school's program for boys,

1037
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: and she went up to him and said, what about

1038
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: the girls. They said, oh, girls don't have to worry.

1039
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna get married. Someone's going to take care of him.

1040
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: What do you mean. So she's like, okay. So she

1041
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: was walking down the hall and she was thinking about

1042
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: that's not right. It should be equal for everybody. And

1043
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: she's called misis education anyway, I don't know if you

1044
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: know that. And so that's why the more you know

1045
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: about history is more you know about yourself and why

1046
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: you have these opportunities and all that. So Donna, Dave

1047
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Verona really tried to help Title nine. There's a few

1048
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: of US athletes who really tried to get basically Donna myself,

1049
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: I can't think of I'm trying to give there somebody else.

1050
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure there is.

1051
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: But well, the next time.

1052
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 4: Old I don't know, Yeah, I know who you're talking about,

1053
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 4: but I can't think.

1054
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 5: Listen, the next time we sit down and talk, I'm

1055
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 5: gonna pick your brain up about Title nine. We have

1056
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 5: a nine part documentary in the works talking about the

1057
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 5: foundation of it.

1058
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: Well, main the main thing. The main thing is that

1059
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: people should realized it's only thirty seven words, go read it.

1060
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: But the essence of Title nine is before nineteen seventy two,

1061
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: there were classroom quotas, like if you want to be

1062
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: a doctor at Harvard and go to medical school, they

1063
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: only allowed five percent quota. That's why there weren't any

1064
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: doctors and lawyers during the six I could I why

1065
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 1: aren't there were doctors and lawyers. I couldn't figure that out. Women,

1066
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why aren't there? Well, that's the reason

1067
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: there are all these classroom quotas in Title nine. A

1068
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: lot of people think it was about sports. It was

1069
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: about education. So for the first time, any private or

1070
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: public high school, college or university that received federal funds

1071
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: for the first time had to spend it equally on

1072
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: boys and girls, and no more quotas anymore. Okay, so

1073
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: you if you look at history, you'll see where a

1074
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: lot of schools went co ed around this time, late

1075
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 1: sixties through like the mid seventies to eighty. The reason

1076
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: is they wanted the money. It's money always talks. That's

1077
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: why I wanted us to have money on the tour.

1078
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: Because every person works and they can make judgments about

1079
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: they understand money. People understand money. That's a common denominator.

1080
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: That's why I liked it. It's simple and straightforward, and

1081
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: so if we make a lot of money, that's why

1082
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to try to win one hundred thousand dollars

1083
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: in seventy one. It was about, if we make the money,

1084
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: people are going to set up a notice and they

1085
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: did and they went, Wow, I made Helen, my friend

1086
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: who does a lot of research, was telling me that

1087
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: I think I made as much as I think I

1088
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: was like the third or fourth highest paid baseball player

1089
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: that year. Maybe I don't know Johnny Bench. I think

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00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: I made more than Johnny Bench, so I mean john Yeah,

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00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: But the point is I was making more. I mean

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00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: I remember Reggie Jackson about fell over in his chair

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00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: when we're in Oakland doing a press conference for the tournament.

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00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: He could not believe the money were making. He just went,

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00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't make that much. I'm gonna go back and renegotiate, man.

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00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: So it was very interesting. No, but that's what matters. No,

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00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: But the media, the press, everybody picked up on it,

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00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: and I knew they would. But I had to win

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00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: this one tournament in August because most of the tournaments,

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00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: if you won, you made eighteen hundred dollars for singles

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00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: and two fifty because you split five hundred for doubles. Okay,

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00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: So I started to figure out, I'm gonna have to

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00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: play so many tournaments and you've got to win. You

1104
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: can't just you gotta win to you have to win.

1105
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: So anyway, lad has got this forty thousand dollars tournament

1106
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: organized at the Half Fines Pavilion in Houston and the

1107
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: like around August and ten thousand dollars to the winter. Okay,

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00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: I have to win that tournament if I'm going to

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00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: get up to one hundred, because I could tell it

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00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: was going to be tight at the end no matter

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00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: how well I did, And I thought, oh god, I

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00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: gotta get to one hundred. I got get a hundred.

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00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: How we want to do this?

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Speaker 4: And you want it?

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Speaker 1: I did win that I want. I won the Houston

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00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: I won the Houston tournament. So I got my ten.

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00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 1: That was huge turning points and psychologically it was a huge.

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00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: And then I had then I think I won Phoenix

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00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: tournament at the end to get up to one hundred,

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Speaker 1: and they counted the car that I was given to

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00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: at the Open. I made over one hundred actual dollars,

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00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: but I think this ford. I don't know they put

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00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: you over the toll the car put you up. No,

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00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: the car did not put me over. I was over

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00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: the top without the car, but the car added somewhere,

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00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 1: and I think they said I had made one hundred

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00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: and seventeen thousand.

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Speaker 4: We signed on.

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00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: Yes.

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00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 4: Do you remember the story with Mary Carrillo and the

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00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 4: eggs from the top of your.

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00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 6: Building at Wimbland And they filmed it on HBO, but

1133
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 6: it didn't air because the club were not happy about it.

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00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 4: Do you remember this?

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Speaker 1: She wasn't my roommate that I don't think she was.

1136
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 4: I not there that you were doing these up in

1137
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 4: the building. It's archival, it's somewhere.

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00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: We have to get it out. I bet they threw

1139
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: it out because a lot of those Do.

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00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 4: You remember that story? Do you remember that day? Do

1141
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 4: you know what you was kind of like, Oh, I

1142
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 4: don't know.

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00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: Probably, I don't know if I was I physically there.

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00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 4: You were pretending to throw eggs from your apartment.

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00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: I was pretending, but I didn't but she did, right, Yes,

1146
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: that's so me. I wouldn't do that, Probably, you're no. Yeah,

1147
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: I tried to be so Anyway, Mary is hilarious and

1148
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: so talented, and it's just such a wonderful friend. And

1149
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: we're roomies sometimes during just like were with you Reee

1150
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: during Wimbledon, and that's the only time we get caught up.

1151
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: That's the reason I like it, because otherwise she's always

1152
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: and she's always working. Anyway, she's she believes in the morning.

1153
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: We see her for five minutes at night and then

1154
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: the old days she'd sit up. Now she she comes home,

1155
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: she's exhausted.

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00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 6: That's a great thing about tennis. And I have to

1157
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 6: say this on the record, is that tennis it's a

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00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 6: traveling circus.

1159
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: And I mean, I mean we're a family.

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00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 4: I have known you now for close to thirty.

1161
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 1: And you said you're.

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00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 6: Walks me across the street here and you had me

1163
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 6: hit tennis balls with my Tina never a lowe bit.

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00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: And I kid you not.

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00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 4: I couldn't be more nervous in my life. I've got

1166
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 4: Billy standing year more in front. Yeah, I don't know

1167
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 4: if someonere here and hitting with Martina.

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00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: The indoors are out, it was outside, there was a

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00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: central park.

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Speaker 6: It was unbelievable. And you know, that's the thing about tennis.

1171
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 6: Is that it brings people together.

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00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: For why did you have that experience? The best in

1173
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: the world ever?

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00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 4: Thank you?

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00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, she's I always told her she could be

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00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: the best in the world that she ever put her

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00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: mind to it. At seven, Tina, I said, you know

1178
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: you're the one, which is what do you mean? I said,

1179
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: but you're an animal, so you've got to work out

1180
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: physically hard. Yeah, and she did. She loves it, she

1181
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: thrives on it. And I said, you could be the greatest.

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00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: She's the best singles, doubles and mixed player ever to unbelievably. No,

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00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: every generation gets better, I think, I think, don't you

1184
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: think every generation gets.

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00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 4: Better in their wife, not in bowling.

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Speaker 3: And that's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 5: Our host is Renee Stubbs. Our co host and producer

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Speaker 5: is me Caitlin Thompson. Music by internationally renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong.

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Speaker 5: Thanks to Tim or Jerry and then the team at acast.

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Speaker 5: Find us at racketmag dot com, slash podcast, and subscribe

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