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Speaker 1: my god, good evening. Everybody feels a little weird to

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Speaker 1: say that we have an amazing show for everybody today,

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Speaker 1: a primetime show with the full crew, counterpoints, breaking points,

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Speaker 1: everybody already, Crystal, but what do we have today? Major

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Speaker 1: to go through everything that we learned today. Obviously, the

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Speaker 1: So we're going to go through that. Get Emily and

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Speaker 1: get to so wow, I mean, I know, it's already

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Speaker 1: Republic argument when you have to do legal gymnastics to

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Speaker 1: prosecute a former president in a case that actually is

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Speaker 1: weak compared to potential other cases that are out there.

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Speaker 1: And so when you start setting dangerous precedents, the people

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Speaker 1: who are cheerleading this as a victory for democracy, who

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Speaker 1: are constantly accusing Donald Trump of being the antithesis of democracy,

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Speaker 1: being the ultimate villain in the Great Story the Great

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Speaker 1: arc of Democracy, may actually be doing an equal amount

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Speaker 1: of damage to that question of democracy. So let me

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Speaker 1: provide the counterview, just to put it out there, which is,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of similar to what Alvin Bragg said.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone here is denying that Trump committed

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Speaker 1: some crimes with regard to this particular situation. It looks

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Speaker 1: like a misdemeanor. Yeah, And by the way, Michael, by

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Speaker 1: the way, let me also say that while it's certainly

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Speaker 1: not anywhere close to the worst thing that he did

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Speaker 1: at the time that he was making these payments. This

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Speaker 1: was in the fallout of Access Hollywood, and now in

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Speaker 1: hindsight we realized he was able to overcome that and

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Speaker 1: win the election over Hillary. But at the time they

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Speaker 1: were deeply concerned that if you had Karen McDougall and

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Speaker 1: Stormy Daniels and all of this litany of whatever come

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Speaker 1: out at the time, that it would damage his campaign

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Speaker 1: and he would lose. There's some merint to that that

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Speaker 1: is possible. So all of the concerned about like Russian

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Speaker 1: memes and whatever, there's no doubt that this sequence of

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Speaker 1: events and their attempt to hide these stories and to

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Speaker 1: engage in book keeping fraud and campaign finance violations and

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Speaker 1: whatever to cover it up, it wasn't nothing. And I

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Speaker 1: do feel like, Okay, if any of us had committed

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Speaker 1: this sort of fraud, like we would probably have the

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Speaker 1: book thrown at us. It doesn't require legal gymnastics to

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Speaker 1: see that there were there was wrongdoing here. And so

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Speaker 1: if you truly want a system where you know there's

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Speaker 1: not two tier system of justice, then you know it's

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Speaker 1: appropriate for him to have to face consequences for this,

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Speaker 1: even as it doesn't rise to the level of some

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Speaker 1: of the other crimes that he committed, Like the fact

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Speaker 1: that he committed other worst crimes doesn't negate the fact

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Speaker 1: that there were lower level things that were done here,

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Speaker 1: I think. But then I think to stretch them to

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Speaker 1: fellow new a different So you do the legal gymnastics

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Speaker 1: to get to felony level. I do think it's a

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Speaker 1: different question. I agree with that, and I grew with

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Speaker 1: your point about I would love to see more white

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Speaker 1: collar criminals right. I would love to talk about how

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Speaker 1: Biden is implicated in Hunter. Biden's like very shady lobby,

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Speaker 1: and I think there's something very real there. I think

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Speaker 1: we should have those conversations. We could go back to

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Speaker 1: Bush and Obama and have those conversations. We could talk

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Speaker 1: about what's happening with TikTok right now and lobbying and

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Speaker 1: all of that. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I also think we need to have a sort of

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Speaker 1: consensus as a country on what that looks like, and

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Speaker 1: we just don't. In a very scary way. We can

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Speaker 1: go back to Komi talking about Hillary Clinton essentially being

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Speaker 1: guilty but not raising to the level that a prosecutor

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Speaker 1: would bring the case well and that's and that's where

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Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe they like I'm good with Herbie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been a while since this Exactually, if this brings

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Speaker 1: us actually to where basically answering or debating a premium question,

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Speaker 1: so as we'll take our first This is from than

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Speaker 1: girlick reciprocity. Do you think this indictment and if convicted,

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Speaker 1: the conviction will make it easier more acceptable to invite

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Speaker 1: or change charge other politicians for their various crimes? Longtime

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Speaker 1: follower love breaking points and you guys, we love you

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Speaker 1: to ethan. I mean that kind of gets to what

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Speaker 1: we're discussing. I guess it all just comes back to

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Speaker 1: the original point that Ryan made, is well, what crimes

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Speaker 1: are we talking about here? So insider trading? Yeah, let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll right, Like, let the SEC and the federal

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Speaker 1: prosecutors that said that hasn't ever happened. I mean, even

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Speaker 1: in one of the most clear cut cases ever, the

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Speaker 1: Richard Burr case, straight up insider trading. The FBI sees

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Speaker 1: his phone, nothing happened to the guy. Still haven't heard

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Speaker 1: anything about it two or three years later, and somehow,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're all twisting ourselves in the knots here

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Speaker 1: Manhattan DA is to indict felony bookkeeping fraud on thirty

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Speaker 1: four different counts. That is where we could see, obviously

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Speaker 1: the dichotomy of what this might look like. So do

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Speaker 1: you guys think that this will pave the way to

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Speaker 1: the type of crimes that I think all of us,

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Speaker 1: including especially the Breaking Points audience, wants to see politics

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Speaker 1: actually get charged with. I honestly don't think so. I

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Speaker 1: actually just think Ryan's point stands. The establishment is still

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Speaker 1: so strong, but the establishment might not be able to

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Speaker 1: contain what they unleash. I think that they're doing this

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Speaker 1: on purpose this way so that they can try to

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Speaker 1: coord and off themselves from any type of future accountability.

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Speaker 1: But there will be so much appetite for revenge next

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Speaker 1: time around, like, well, if you did this, so now

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Speaker 1: we're going to come for you. And when they start

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Speaker 1: to come for their opposition, they're going to go for whatever.

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Speaker 1: And so they might end up and there might be

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Speaker 1: so much pressure on them to make a case that

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Speaker 1: they might have to make an actual corruption case. Well,

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Speaker 1: and then the Supreme Court will say that there is

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Speaker 1: no sing as we forgot. I fundamentally think the obstacle

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Speaker 1: to that happening is the media's disinterest. I think you

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Speaker 1: can't fix this without a genuinely curious and skeptical fourth estate.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a media if I think we

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Speaker 1: were all watching MSNBC and CNN today. Fortunately I now

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Speaker 1: forced myself to do it for everybody here. It is

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Speaker 1: though well, I needed to know. What I needed was

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Speaker 1: to see every inch of Trump's day. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: watch it, but a second by second breakdown on camera.

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Speaker 1: But in all honesty, so long as you have MSNBC, CNN,

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, New York Times, the entire corporate media establishment

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Speaker 1: cheerleading for the selective prosecution, let's set this case aside.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the entire I think approach to Trump

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Speaker 1: while also ignoring or doing what they did in the

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Speaker 1: lead up to the twenty twenty election with the hunter

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Speaker 1: Biden's story. Again, I'm not trying to make I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to draw equivalences here. I'm just trying to say

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Speaker 1: it is obvious the media has a pattern of selective prosecution,

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Speaker 1: selective interest in corruption. They'll have interesting corruption if it's

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Speaker 1: an anti establishment Democrat, they'll have an interesting corruption if

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Speaker 1: it's an anti establishment Republican. It doesn't matter. They are

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Speaker 1: a uniparty in favor of the political establishment, so as

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Speaker 1: long as they control the political discourse in this country,

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Speaker 1: I don't think this changes things. I think maybe it

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Speaker 1: does pave the way for prosecutors maybe in Red states,

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Speaker 1: And Grind's right, there is a there's a question of

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Speaker 1: precedent here. If you start having prosecutors in Red States

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Speaker 1: do one thing. But if the media tells the public

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Speaker 1: that that's bullshit and what Bragg did is totally legitimate,

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Speaker 1: then it's a that's a huge obstacle. I sort of

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Speaker 1: buy the idea, you know. I think about thinking, here

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Speaker 1: we are twenty years later in Rock War, like thinking

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Speaker 1: a lot back over that whole trajectory, and the media

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Speaker 1: journalists who like were stenographers for who the Bush administration

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Speaker 1: and who fed these lies and not only suffered no

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Speaker 1: professional consequences, many of them are like wealthier and more

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Speaker 1: powerful than ever before. Many of them are central like

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Speaker 1: players and commentators in this hole. Literally lie. There are

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Speaker 1: no consequences to Ryan's point, to committing a crime or

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Speaker 1: telling a lie, or making a giant mistake as long

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Speaker 1: as it's in the like accepted DC way in service

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Speaker 1: of like whatever the establishment narrative is, or I think

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Speaker 1: to carry it over into relevance. Like with the criminal

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Speaker 1: legal world, if you're doing the same crimes that everybody

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Speaker 1: else is doing, you're probably safe because they're not going

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Speaker 1: to want to open the can of worms of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: let's actually be serious about insider trading, let's actually be

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Speaker 1: serious about corruption, let's actually be serious about war crimes,

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Speaker 1: because everyone's implicated. And so I do think that the

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Speaker 1: things that will that this opens the door for are

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Speaker 1: the more like, more brazen or more outside of the

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Speaker 1: traditional carved out space of DC crime. I think those

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Speaker 1: are the pieces that are likely to be prosecuted more.

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Speaker 1: And I can't say that that's like that. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: about that. I'm sorry that it won't also touch the

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Speaker 1: sort of parts of you know, criminality in DC that

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Speaker 1: just become accepted as the part of doing business here.

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Speaker 1: But the idea of more politicians facing more charges for

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Speaker 1: the crimes that they commit, I'm not going to cry

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Speaker 1: about that one h I think, well, why don't we

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Speaker 1: talk about the politics erstual and the rules and all

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Speaker 1: of that, so I know that we have a little

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Speaker 1: bit Yeah, so let's go ahead, let's go and put

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Speaker 1: the CNN poll. This is the most recent one out

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Speaker 1: about how people feel about the actual charges. Now, I

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Speaker 1: do want to say this pre dates us actually getting

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Speaker 1: to see the specific charges, but everybody had a pretty

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Speaker 1: good idea of where we were headed with these. So

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Speaker 1: go ahead and put b one up on the screen

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Speaker 1: from CNN. What you can see is that it breaks

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Speaker 1: down unsurprisingly on long party lines. Ninety four percent of

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Speaker 1: Democrats approve of the decision from Alvin Bragg to indict Trump,

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Speaker 1: seventy nine percent of Republicans disapprove, sixty two percent of

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Speaker 1: Independence approve, and overall you have a solid majority sixty

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Speaker 1: percent of Americans who approve of Trump's indictment. And my

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Speaker 1: analysis of this, then I'd be curious what you guys think,

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Speaker 1: is that you know, you've got about sixty percent of

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Speaker 1: the country that really doesn't like Trump, and they don't

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Speaker 1: actually care that much about the details. They feel like

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Speaker 1: and I kind of understand like they feel like this

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Speaker 1: is a man who has gotten away with so much

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Speaker 1: so long that now I'm going to be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: what not this was like oh, and you're going to

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Speaker 1: stretch it to a fellow I don't know about that,

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Speaker 1: So I think you just get a gut it's a

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Speaker 1: Rush Act test. Like, if you think Trump has been

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Speaker 1: a lawless criminal for a lot of his life, then

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Speaker 1: you're not going to like be worried that Alvin Bragg,

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Speaker 1: you know, stretch the definition of the charge or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be like, good, this dude is finally getting

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Speaker 1: what's coming to him. And if you're on the other

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Speaker 1: side of that, and you like Trump and you believe

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Speaker 1: in him, and you think he's been unfairly treated, then

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Speaker 1: you're gonna obviously be opposed also, no matter what the

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Speaker 1: specific details are, because let's not pretend that that forty

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Speaker 1: percent or so or all the you know, seventy nine

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Speaker 1: percent of Republics who are against these charges wouldn't also

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Speaker 1: be against January sixth charges, wouldn't also be against the

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Speaker 1: class my document charges, wouldn't also be against like fake

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Speaker 1: elector scheme charges. What do you guys think? Go ahead, Ryan, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's right. I think I think that's what. I think.

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Speaker 1: It's well said. So the fact that the charges basically

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Speaker 1: came out exactly as people kind of thought they were

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Speaker 1: a means we can basically I think extrapolate from that

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Speaker 1: to where we are today. Emily, I'd be curious how

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Speaker 1: you square that with the Trump camp celebration today of

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Speaker 1: what a political win this is for them, because I

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Speaker 1: also part of me also feels like they're not wrong

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Speaker 1: about that. Oh, it is a political win. More than

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Speaker 1: half the country wants him in jail. It's we're in

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Speaker 1: such an amazing place right now. Wherever there's a black

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Speaker 1: and white Trump has succeeded in terms of wherever the

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Speaker 1: political establishment creates it, like impeachments is a good example,

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Speaker 1: creates a situation where it looks unprecedented, or it looks

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Speaker 1: like a witch hunt, whatever. Whenever that happens, Trump benefits

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Speaker 1: from it. But that's a very different question. I think

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Speaker 1: when you have Hillary Clinton not as the foil, when

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Speaker 1: you potentially have a Joe Biden presidency in the rear

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Speaker 1: view mirror where he's passed legislation that some people really like,

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Speaker 1: I think that all changes the equation. Trump's internal polling.

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Speaker 1: This is from Philip Blagmann to RCP. He told he

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Speaker 1: was He reported that Trump's internal campaign polling looks like

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Speaker 1: Trump v. DeSantis fifty one twenty one, fifty one twenty

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Speaker 1: one Trump v. Biden forty seven forty three. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: he his internals have him up on Biden. Now, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how good those numbers are the Trump campaign. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: it makes sense that they're going out there with us

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Speaker 1: and celebrating it. It's not helpful ever in a general election.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a ridiculous thing for Republicans to say.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a cope that Republicans are saying five

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Speaker 1: to ten percent of the country who would answer, I

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Speaker 1: think these charges are good. Yeah, and I was supporting

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Speaker 1: for president. Yeah. Actually, honestly, there definitely are. But there

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Speaker 1: are the number because ten percent of the country that

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Speaker 1: feels that way. But that's another importance thing to emphasize.

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Speaker 1: Let me try on that is he said. Trump said

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Speaker 1: repeatedly on the campaign trail, that makes me smart, when

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Speaker 1: he talked about the way he exploited tax leopoles, when

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Speaker 1: he talked about whereas Joe Biden will never address the

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Speaker 1: fact that he routed his book money through an escort.

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Speaker 1: Trump Joe Biden. Donald Trump would come out and be like, hell, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it makes me smart. He'd be like, you would

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Speaker 1: do the same thing. It's baked into the Trump cake,

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Speaker 1: and I think that sucks. I don't think that's a

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Speaker 1: great precedent to set at all. I never liked it,

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Speaker 1: and I think it made conservatives look really foolish a

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Speaker 1: lot of the time. But it's completely expected Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: and people know that that's how he This is the

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Speaker 1: interesting thing I want to pick up on the politics

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Speaker 1: front of this. Let's go to the next ones. Chrystally,

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Speaker 1: you and I spent some time on this in our

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Speaker 1: show with the tear sheet b Tube, guys, please In

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Speaker 1: the same poll, sixty two percent of Americans, including ninety

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Speaker 1: three percent of Republicans, seventy percent of independence and sixty

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Speaker 1: six percent of Democrats, they're like, yeah, we do think

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Speaker 1: it was motivated by politics though, so like even the

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Speaker 1: people who all support the case and do think that

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Speaker 1: he's guilty or you know, not necessarily in the case

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Speaker 1: of Republicans, they're like, yeah, I still think it's political.

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Speaker 1: So if you do think it's but then see that's

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Speaker 1: where I come back to what you said, Ryan, where

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Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, I definitely think he's guilty, but you know,

688
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: it's a wash and I don't like Joe Biden, so yeah,

689
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Speaker 1: I think it was political, and yes, it doesn't really

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00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: matter to me. I'm I'm voting more on gas prices

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Speaker 1: or Ukraine or the economy, or Biden can't speak, or

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Speaker 1: Trump is whatever those people like. When things are political,

693
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Speaker 1: it's a wash like this used to come back. I

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Speaker 1: used to always come back to this, you know, after

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Before twenty sixteen, everyone's I can't believe Trump's

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Speaker 1: approval rating, by the way, as if Hillary's wasn't as bad.

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Speaker 1: But the case was, he still had some sixty six

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Speaker 1: million people who were willing to vote for him. Two

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Speaker 1: thirds said I do not like this man. I don't

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Speaker 1: like him, and then he got ten million more votes

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Speaker 1: the second time around, after like, I hate this guy.

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Speaker 1: I would never let in my house. I would not

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Speaker 1: be friendsized person. I don't want to be around. I

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Speaker 1: don't want him as a neighbor. But I'm going to

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Speaker 1: vote for him for president of the United States. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I get it right, Like that's a deep animating thing

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Speaker 1: in our politics. That's what you get. Have two likely

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Speaker 1: nominees that are profoundly unpopular, one of whom is like

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Speaker 1: sundowning before our eyes, and the next heart beat away

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Speaker 1: is someone who is even more unpopular in these two guys.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you have people who were like, I literally

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Speaker 1: want this man in prison, and also but I hate

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Speaker 1: not sure of the air. And it's the same thing

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Speaker 1: with Jeb Bush. It's like most Republican primary voters in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen voted against Donald Trump, which at the time

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Speaker 1: was a vote against Donald Trump. It wasn't like you

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Speaker 1: were just, oh, I'm really I'm a big Rubio person.

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Speaker 1: People were a big Rubio person, but they were or

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Speaker 1: cruise or whatever. It was spread out between many, many people,

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Speaker 1: but they mostly were taking votes against Donald Trump. If

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Speaker 1: you're voting for Donald Trump, you're voting for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And that again has continued over and over because the

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Speaker 1: foil is Jeb freaking Bush, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and

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Speaker 1: who's at next, Gavin Newsome Andrew Cuomo. I mean, seriously,

725
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Speaker 1: like it just it. It's exactly why we are where

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Speaker 1: we are because there is no serious answer from the

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Speaker 1: republic Her Democratic Party to Donald Trump or to the

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Speaker 1: some of the arguments he makes that have validity. They

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Speaker 1: don't all well, but some of them, so I think

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Speaker 1: we all will probably agree in terms of the Republican

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Speaker 1: primary this is nothing but good for him. The trial

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Speaker 1: is going to be playing out like at the height

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Speaker 1: of the prime I mean, nothing could be four Literally,

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Speaker 1: Desanta should just not run. I'm actually like, at this point,

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Speaker 1: you heard this is kind of his moment. I just

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Speaker 1: don't see it. I don't see it. So we'll put

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Speaker 1: that in motion to dismiss. But yeah, yeah, well, yes, true,

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Speaker 1: we'll put that to the side because I do think

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Speaker 1: the impact on the general election is a lot less clear.

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Speaker 1: And here's why. I could see a world where it's

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Speaker 1: basically a wash, where people just you know, they know

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Speaker 1: all this stuff about Trump. They live through January sixth,

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Speaker 1: they live through the fake electors. It's sort of like

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Speaker 1: baked into the cake. They're also not happy with Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: and so it's sort of a jump ball. But we

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00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: did see ryan in the midterm elections that Trump was

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00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: a real wait around the GOP and specifically because of

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Speaker 1: January sixth and stop the Steal and all of the chaos,

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Speaker 1: and him and his candidates were very much repudiated. So

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Speaker 1: if you have overhanging the general election in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: him dealing with legal woes to do with you know,

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00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: January six documents stop the steal all of those sorts

753
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Speaker 1: of things. I do think that that could be much

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Speaker 1: more damaging to him than honestly I would have thought

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Speaker 1: before the midterm results. Yeah, and the raid on mar

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Speaker 1: A Lago played so handily into Democratic fortunes that there

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00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: was a lot of speculation that Democrats did it just

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Speaker 1: for the purpose of getting Trump back into the midterms

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00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: either way, no matter how the decision was made. Once

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Speaker 1: that decision was made, Democrats wanted to talk about nothing

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Speaker 1: else other than trumpep and they used mar A Lago

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Speaker 1: and this document handling as the excuse to do that,

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Speaker 1: and that it did seem to work like that did

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Speaker 1: seem to drag Republicans down there. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: Democrats have no credibility whatsoever on this question because in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton did her pied piper thing. She's like,

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Speaker 1: this is the guy that we're going to be able

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Speaker 1: to easily beat. We know how that ended, right, Yet

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty they were convinced they could beat him, and

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Speaker 1: they beat him. Twenty twenty two, they wont him out

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Speaker 1: in the field. They thought it would help them. It

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Speaker 1: did help them, So maybe they've won some of their

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Speaker 1: credibility back on this playing with fire because they've also

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Speaker 1: gone out and played in all these Republican primaries, helping

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Speaker 1: all these MAGA candidates win huge taking a huge risk

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Speaker 1: with in the future of the country. I think they

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00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: won every single one of those. So they do seem

778
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: like they want this guy out. Oh, look to me,

779
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: it's one of those where how can you disaggregate stop

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00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: the steal from abortion? Because abortion was such a clear,

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Speaker 1: massive and winner for the Democrats that you could be

782
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: learning the wrong lesson, like how much to stop the

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Speaker 1: steel matter? We actually really don't know, and then how

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Speaker 1: much did stop the steal? Insanity play into Well, if

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Speaker 1: they're willing to go full our word on stop the steal, like,

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Speaker 1: does that mean they will do the same thing whenever

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Speaker 1: it comes to abortion. Man, whenever somebody says then you're

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Speaker 1: an extremist, you're like, yeah, maybe I should just sit

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Speaker 1: this one out. Trump, though, is actually a lot smarter

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Speaker 1: than most Republicans on abortion. He actively is missing himself

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Speaker 1: from Ropers's way. He's like, yeah, I got it done.

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Speaker 1: But also I wouldn't be doing what a lot of

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Speaker 1: these other people are doing. There's not a single other

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Speaker 1: Republican literally in the entire country who is willing to

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Speaker 1: do that, let alone the most popular person. So I

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Speaker 1: don't think it would be as easy to like beat

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Speaker 1: over the head for Joe Biden and others. Same thing

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Speaker 1: whenever it comes to Medicare, social Security. But you could

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Speaker 1: say whatever you want about the man, especially on tax policy,

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Speaker 1: but on entitlements itself, you could not attack him saying

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Speaker 1: that this is something that you wanted to do. So

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Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Emily? Like in the

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Speaker 1: general election, Lens, I just I respect Trump too much

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Speaker 1: as a politician to say, do not ever count this

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Speaker 1: man out. Yeah, I know he's a clown, but listen,

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Speaker 1: you know, clown got a lot of votes. He has

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Speaker 1: political skills, weirdly, and I think part of that comes

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Speaker 1: from being an entertainer of course, with people, as people

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Speaker 1: have mentioned over the years. But I do think it's

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Speaker 1: it's important that everything we're talking about gets this issue

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Speaker 1: of polarization and that what one thing energizes the Republican

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Speaker 1: turnout democratic turner. I actually think we're going to get

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Speaker 1: a hint of this in Wisconsin Supreme Court election, which

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Speaker 1: I know we're going to talk about a little bit tonight. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just in terms of turnout. You know, when you have

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Speaker 1: a third of the country in the camp, that's like,

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Speaker 1: prosecute him. It's political, but it's still okay because we

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Speaker 1: got to get him on something like he's done so

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Speaker 1: many things over the years. We got to get him

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Speaker 1: on something he deserves that he's skated too many times.

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Speaker 1: When you have that thirty percent and thirty percent, that's like,

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Speaker 1: which hunt, this is how I end up going out

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Speaker 1: to vote, et cetera, et cetera. Then you have that

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Speaker 1: like remaining portion of the country, maybe the normal portion

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Speaker 1: of the country, that's just like, what the hell is

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Speaker 1: going on? I'm exhausted by this. We litigated Stormy Daniels

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Speaker 1: four years ago, five years ago. Why am I hearing

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Speaker 1: the name again? Like, I don't know who Kerry McDougall is,

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Speaker 1: but I've heard the name a million times. I just

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Speaker 1: don't care. So I think it's just really hard to

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Speaker 1: say about the general election until we know where the

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Speaker 1: economy is, where Joe Biden is, until we see, for instance,

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Speaker 1: where the Documents case goes, where the Georgia case goes.

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Speaker 1: This is really the tip of the iceberg. One thing

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Speaker 1: we know for sure is that there are other cases,

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Speaker 1: and there will be other developments in those cases before

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Speaker 1: the election, and so in that way, it's just very

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Speaker 1: hard to imagine we know definitively which little block gets

839
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Speaker 1: animated enough to tilt an election that historically with Trump

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Speaker 1: has been a slim margin. No matter what, Let's go ahead,

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Speaker 1: let's do some questions here from the premium subscribers and guys,

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Speaker 1: use the AMA. If you are premium subscriber, use the

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Speaker 1: your questions. Okay, Talon Mahaski, what happens if Trump goes

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Speaker 1: to prison and gets elected? It's a great question, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Cryslin Sagar. You've mentioned previously on the podcast that Eugene

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Speaker 1: Debs set the precedent for receiving votes while in prison

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Speaker 1: in that instance the camp at lost. Is there any

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Speaker 1: roadmap or guidelines for what would happen if Trump were

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Speaker 1: to be found guilty in any of the upcoming cases

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Speaker 1: and if he were to win the election. No, there

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Speaker 1: is no roadmap. There also is no guideline. What complicates

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Speaker 1: this even more is you can't try a sitting president

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Speaker 1: and actually the significant amount of legal immunity that you

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Speaker 1: get whenever you become president. So whenever you become the

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Speaker 1: president elect, he wouldn't be entitled to any of those

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Speaker 1: legal protections. But however, whenever you would become the president,

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Speaker 1: then actually that would change everything, especially potentially in terms

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Speaker 1: of new charges. Obviously, it would be totally uncharted territory.

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Speaker 1: I've actually asked for people who know there. As far

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Speaker 1: as others know, there is no existing DOJ guidance around

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Speaker 1: any of this. It never got to this point during Nixon,

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Speaker 1: obviously because he was going to be forced out of office,

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Speaker 1: and then Ford with the preemptive pardon for any and

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Speaker 1: all crimes, also removed what it would look like secret

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Speaker 1: service detail and all that. I believe that's the last

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Speaker 1: time it was ever seriously considered by the United States government. So,

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Speaker 1: as you alluded to Eugene Debs, who was the socialist

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Speaker 1: candidate in that in that election, I think he actually

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Speaker 1: won a decent amount of the it was like four

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Speaker 1: percent or something like that. It was it was not

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Speaker 1: it was not an insignificant number of votes. But obviously

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Speaker 1: I think that was one hundred years ago now at

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Speaker 1: this point, and in terms of the development for pre

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Speaker 1: existing guidance what you asked for talent, there is no roadmap,

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Speaker 1: There is no guideline. So we'll all find out together.

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Speaker 1: Do you read about Debs in your new book? No

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Speaker 1: too now, too early? Yeah? Yeah, interesting guy though, Yes

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Speaker 1: it was the espionage yet he was giving anti World

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Speaker 1: War One speeches, that's right, And they said, well, you're

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Speaker 1: messing with the you're messing with our ability to recruit

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Speaker 1: though boys to go over and save the world from democracy. Right,

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Speaker 1: But I guess Trump would he'd be sworn in in

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Speaker 1: his cell. Is that how that would have to work?

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Speaker 1: Now he commander in chief? Could he order a seal

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Speaker 1: team raid on the jail and bust himself out. Nothing

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Speaker 1: requires of the president actually to be sworn in at

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Speaker 1: the Capitol. They only need to get sworn in by

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Speaker 1: a federal j like LBJ sworn in on LBJ. Harry

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Speaker 1: Truman was sworn in in the White House. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to think about some of the other ones who are

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Speaker 1: some of them actually didn't even take the oath of office.

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Speaker 1: Until days later, which is kind of crazy from a

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Speaker 1: commander in chief perspective because you're like, are technically in

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Speaker 1: charge of the government or not. Part of the reason

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Speaker 1: why LBJ wanted to take the oath. So maybe you

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Speaker 1: if you followed the logic, if you can't try a prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: so you can't jail I mean you can't a president.

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Speaker 1: You can't sentence. You can't jail one either. You pause

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Speaker 1: his sentence, he serves his term, and then he goes

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Speaker 1: right back right when he finishes. I do want to

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Speaker 1: note for everybody it is eight fifteen that is technically

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Speaker 1: the start time for the Trump press conference. We're on watch.

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Speaker 1: We are taking a look at that. The moment that

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Speaker 1: he comes out and he's actually up on the stage,

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Speaker 1: we'll bring into all of you. Yeah, and don't forget also,

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Speaker 1: I don't we are still going to also try and

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Speaker 1: cover the Wisconsin election in Chicago mayor e. Well, so

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Speaker 1: we're not only going to be talking about these are

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Speaker 1: huge I was refreshing my memories asn't a president. But

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Speaker 1: do you guys know Jim traffic hand is yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he actually held This is funny. He held the seat

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Speaker 1: that Tim Ryan represented in Youngstown, and Ryan was actually

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Speaker 1: an aid for him at one point. And then trafficant

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Speaker 1: was found guilty on ten felon accounts of all kinds

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Speaker 1: of stuff, and then he gets expelled from Congress. So

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Speaker 1: I mean that was like sort of he was sort

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Speaker 1: of sentenced to prison and then kicked out of Congress.

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Speaker 1: And then when he gets out, he tried to run again,

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Speaker 1: and Ryan runs against him and beats him. But that's

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Speaker 1: sort of the closest that I can think of in

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Speaker 1: modern history to a member of Congress or elected official

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Speaker 1: being directly like in prison while trying to serve an office.

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Speaker 1: It also could become constitutional because there would be all

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Speaker 1: these questions up to the Supreme Court, because then also

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Speaker 1: they could make an argument around like election certification at

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Speaker 1: the state level, as whether you would even certify vote

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Speaker 1: for like the elector why would the electoral college then

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Speaker 1: cast a vote for somebody who was actively in president. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this would be really interesting. Yeah. So you guys remember

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Speaker 1: Don Blankenship in West Virginia. He's a primary campaign, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Oh wow, man, isn't

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Speaker 1: he the any I think he did cocaine? Mitch question

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Speaker 1: all right, Evan lamarca premium subscriber again, you can become one,

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Speaker 1: or if you're a pre existing one, submit them on

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Speaker 1: the AMA question Hello, breaking points. If former President Trump

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Speaker 1: wins the twenty twenty four election, do you think he

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Speaker 1: will forgive and forget the actions taken by the legal system?

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Speaker 1: Are we looking at the same Trump here, Evan? Is

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Speaker 1: there a chance that Hunter Biden or President Biden will

943
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Speaker 1: then face charges because of retribution by Trump? Will this

944
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Speaker 1: set a dangerous president for future presidents and presidential candidates?

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Speaker 1: Let's put the precedent aside, because I think we've already

946
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Speaker 1: answered that one Trump himself, Emily, what do you think

947
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Speaker 1: My take is is that he would ask the DOJ

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Speaker 1: and try to get Jeff Sessions or whoever the future

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Speaker 1: type of person like that would be to do so,

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Speaker 1: but that they probably wouldn't do it, because that's basically

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Speaker 1: exactly what happened all throughout his entire presidency. Yes, but

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Speaker 1: he learned from that, and that's where then, and that's

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Speaker 1: where I think it gets really interesting, is that you know,

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Speaker 1: from Schedule F to everything else, one of the big

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Speaker 1: elements of this transition phase that the conservative movement is

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Speaker 1: looking at right now. They see this as a potential

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Speaker 1: transition phase to another Trump presidency, to a desantist presidency.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to staff up. They're trying to actually vet

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Speaker 1: people in advance of a potential Republican presidency to staff

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Speaker 1: the administrative state and some of these really high level appointments.

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Speaker 1: They are. If there's one thing that is animating that effort,

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Speaker 1: it's to get the right people that will follow those

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Speaker 1: sort of directives. Now, there were a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: even in the sort of Trump friendly conservative legal movement

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Speaker 1: after the twenty twenty election, who said, now, like this

966
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Speaker 1: stuff is nonsense. Should they have been more vocal, perhaps,

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Speaker 1: but there were a lot of people who disagreed on

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Speaker 1: that point. Mike Pence is actually one of them. Mike

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Speaker 1: Pence actually sought out Council on the legitimacy of that

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Speaker 1: legal argument, which was dead on arrival to a lot

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Speaker 1: of people's ears. But he actually went out and said,

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Speaker 1: is their legitimacy to this? And a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in that world him no. But that said, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: knows damn well that that's what blocked a lot of

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Speaker 1: his agenda. You said, Jeff Sessions accusing himself from the

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Speaker 1: Russia investigation, it's still rank of Donald Trump, so I

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Speaker 1: think he's really learned a lesson from that. So in

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Speaker 1: another Trump presidency, I think, frankly, there's a question of

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Speaker 1: whether you could possibly find enough people to do that.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's a legitimate question, But I also

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Speaker 1: think that is their top priority. I mean, I am

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Speaker 1: a little skeptical always Ryan when I see these articles

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Speaker 1: about like, oh, this time is going to be different

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Speaker 1: and Trump learned is this time it's going to be

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Speaker 1: highly competent from the top down, and they get the

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Speaker 1: planned in place. It's like, you know, he did have

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Speaker 1: four years to figure some of this stuff out and

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Speaker 1: he never did. So I'm a little skeptical that it

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Speaker 1: would be this well oiled machine a second time around,

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Speaker 1: with everybody in police to like do his bidding or

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Speaker 1: the bidding of the conservative ecosystem or whatever the goal

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Speaker 1: timately is. They don't call it the shallow state. It's

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Speaker 1: a deep You're not gonna be able to come in

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Speaker 1: with just a couple of dudes who were really charged up,

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Speaker 1: like go do this do it all? How funny was it?

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00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: See Boris today? I was some of these people. It's

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Speaker 1: like they're characters that never died. I mean Jason. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'll say this about Jason, he actually is pretty good

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Speaker 1: at his job, like relative to almost everybody else I've

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Speaker 1: dealt with him. Also on the he understands the assignment.

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Speaker 1: He is exactly you know what it is. He understands

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Speaker 1: the assignment. And also Trump really trusts him, and that's

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Speaker 1: something very rare. Some of the people around Trump. I

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Speaker 1: will just say, that's some of the dumbest people I've

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Speaker 1: ever met. No, no, only the best, the best. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that aside, Crystal, I get to your point.

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Speaker 1: I think you're correct, which is fundamentally I just don't

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Speaker 1: believe it. I'm like, I actually saw this movie before.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason to believe that literally anything has changed.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh, but this time they're gonna vet the appointees.

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Speaker 1: They're the president on day one is supposed to appoint

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Speaker 1: some five thousand people to government. How many people actually

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Speaker 1: are going to check that box of what you just

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Speaker 1: alluded to? Maybe two hundred, maybe three hundreday bakers. H Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's like where are all these people coming from? Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you actually need and also you know, to

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Speaker 1: work for the federal government. I'm not even saying I

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Speaker 1: support this, but they're all kinds of like license You're like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I have to be a lawyer. If you

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Speaker 1: want to be in this job, you have to have had,

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Speaker 1: you know, exposition or what master's degree. I believe in

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Speaker 1: some many of these like non Senate confirmed appointed positions

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Speaker 1: within the government. And then even if you do appoint them,

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Speaker 1: some of them, as I just said, are Senate confirmed

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Speaker 1: all the way down to the undersecretary level. There's no

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Speaker 1: reason you know that Lindsey Graham or any of these.

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Speaker 1: Mitt Romney is going to vote for these people. It's

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Speaker 1: not like the Democrats aren't going to help you out.

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Speaker 1: And what if the Democrats keep control of the Senate,

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Speaker 1: what Chuck Schumer is going to let some moron is

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Speaker 1: twenty two years old to be like under secretary. You know,

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Speaker 1: It's like there's always structural reasons, but I just don't

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Speaker 1: think that's going to work out. And it gets worse

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Speaker 1: than that. And I know that one of the biggest

1035
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Speaker 1: hurdles for people who wanted to be in the Trumpet

1036
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Speaker 1: administration is that they had this ham fisted rule. Well,

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Speaker 1: they implemented yes about people's tweets, and they would scroll

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Speaker 1: back years in people's tweets, and a perfectly qualified person

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Speaker 1: who was super maga wouldn't get a job because they

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Speaker 1: sent one tweet in favor of Ted Cruz in fifteen.

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Speaker 1: I have personal friends who this happened to you. That's funny,

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Speaker 1: by the way, guys, And it looks like secret Service

1043
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Speaker 1: is moving through the room. I'm just keeping an eye

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Speaker 1: on the feed just to make sure you see what's

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Speaker 1: going on. But it looks like there's some activity in

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Speaker 1: the room. People are getting excited, so just keep that

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Speaker 1: in mind. Just talking, all right, let's do another Let's

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Speaker 1: do another premium question here real quick. Before I do that, though,

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Speaker 1: I do want to remind people that we will have

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Speaker 1: election results later too, and the Chicago mayor's race, and

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Speaker 1: this Wisconsin State Supreme Court race, which is weirdly extremely

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Speaker 1: important because it could flip it's currently a four to

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Speaker 1: three conservative majority, could flip the sort of partisan inclinations

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Speaker 1: of the court. Huge stakes in terms of potential presidential election.

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin was the only state Supreme court that even considered

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Speaker 1: Trump's you know, in sane stop the Steel Court case nonsense,

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Speaker 1: huge implications in terms of abortion. As it stands, this

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Speaker 1: like eighteen hundred's complete abortion ban is in effect in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: The more liberal candidate has said she would vote with

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Speaker 1: the other liberals to overturn that. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: voters saying that like that is number one for them.

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Speaker 1: Also huge implications in terms of just partisan control of

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Speaker 1: the state. This is a state that has been gerrymandered

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Speaker 1: like crazy in favor of the Republicans. So a liberal

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Speaker 1: balance court would look very skeptically at this so very

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Speaker 1: high stakes there that we're going to be watching for.

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00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: But let's go ahead and is Trump coming out or

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00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: he's walking out? I was just telling everybody of our control,

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00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and switch over to the feed here, guys,

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Speaker 1: this is the former president. Yes, and you can see

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00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: him walking in here. Personally, I cannot do this. I

1072
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: was wishing they would call him president A Yeah, yeah,

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00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: that's right. Individual one, individual one. Some of the cowboy

1074
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: hats reading supporters and fans. There as kind of more

1075
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: of a rally vibe energy to it than you know,

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00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: any sort of like somber legal proceeding or anything like that.

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00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: The idea is, I guess he's going to give some

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00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: comments and maybe he's going to take questions from the

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Speaker 1: pre I don't see just looking at this setup, I

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00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: don't see how he could possibly take a questions. Where

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00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: would the press be? And then it looks like he's moving.

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00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: Is this the ballroom? I believe in mar Lago and

1083
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: he's like moving, like lovingly through the crowd taking I

1084
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: mean that they certainly look like they love it. I

1085
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: don't know if he loves them, but he loves him

1086
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: enough to sell him a fifty dollars T shirt with

1087
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: a fake Buggs with a fake mudshot. Did you guys

1088
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: see that? I may or may not have bought one

1089
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: already for the set. Yeah, but just looking I guess

1090
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: he's making his way. I'm just looking at this logistically, Emily,

1091
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: do you agree, I'm not sure how this could possibly

1092
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: set up up as a press conference that's what they're

1093
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: billing it at this setup looks like his campaign. Yeah,

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00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: this is a rally. It looks like it looks like

1095
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: when it does look a campaign, it does look exactly

1096
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: like his campaign announcement. Well, he brings a little bit

1097
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: more fire than he did for the last time that

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00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: we were all together. Yeah, we were so boring. The

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00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: last time. So before we hear him start, what do

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Speaker 1: you guys think, Is this going to be like a

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00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: wild Trump off the cuff speech or is this going

1102
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: to be one of the tame teleprompter like stay on

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00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: the script Trump speeches. I think he's in it. I

1104
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: think he's most animated when he's in back against the wall. So,

1105
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I always think about the day. The most

1106
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: animated I ever saw the man was. I interviewed him

1107
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: two days after the midterm elections, and it was because

1108
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: it was a disaster that in eighteen and he his

1109
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: only mission in life was to convince me and then

1110
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: the press later in the press conference that it was

1111
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: not his fault. That all right, guys, all right, so

1112
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: he's coming up here, let's go. Let's see how it

1113
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: goes to Trump. We'll see, all right, gents, let's cut

1114
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: to the wide and let's see what exactly the means

1115
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: you guys on the other side. All right, That was

1116
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: the former president giving what was much more of like

1117
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: a campaign speech than a direct response to the charges

1118
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: of the day, going through all the greatest hits, going

1119
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: back to the beginning, Russia Gate, impeachment, Ukraine, the whole bit,

1120
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Speaker 1: and also, and this was maybe I wasn't necessarily expecting this,

1121
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: talking not just about the indictments from today, but going

1122
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: through each of the potential charges that could come against

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00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: him with regards to documents and fake elector scheme. You

1124
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: talked specifically about Fulton County. And by the way, disclaimer

1125
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Speaker 1: for YouTube, any nonsense that he said about the election

1126
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: is exactly that, So we are not endorsing any of

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00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: the claims that he made in that video. But what

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Speaker 1: are you guys' top line thoughts on I'm stunned at

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Speaker 1: how short the speech was. It comes in in exactly

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00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: twenty one minutes. It's one of the shortest speeches that

1131
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: Trump is given in a lot. I've seen him give

1132
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: speeches at like the Easter dedication for the White House,

1133
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: which are longer. But number one was not spending more

1134
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: time going through the specifics, not talking about the indictment. Actually,

1135
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was a smart move because he basically

1136
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: pulled back, and I thought it was a bit of

1137
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: a tell spending more of his time, not even on

1138
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg. If you look at and somebody can go

1139
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: do the statistical analysis dramatically, more time talking about the documents,

1140
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: about the Presidential Records Act and about the Fulton County, Georgia.

1141
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: It might actually be an insight into his thinking as

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00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: to where he faces genuine legal and political jeopardy, not

1143
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: actually looking at this as all that much of a threat.

1144
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: One of the most important lines Philip Weigman flagging from

1145
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: real care politics is that he said that prosecutors wanted

1146
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: him to settle the case, but quote, I want no

1147
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: part of that now. Look, obviously we have no idea

1148
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: whether that is true or not. It's certainly possible. I

1149
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: guess that it could be true that they were trying

1150
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 1: to roll him up or get him to a plea deal.

1151
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: Just everybody can get a press relation roll them up

1152
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: on who he's the president. That's a good point. I

1153
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: don't know what really happened. Who's the Davos guy. What's

1154
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: his name? Oh? Yeah, well up. And it's funny because

1155
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: you were just talking about bugs. Just so people know.

1156
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: They weren't that bad. I hate him in tailand they

1157
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: were nice not sending me to the pod. Do you

1158
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: guys think, Yeah, what do you guys think? What was

1159
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: your Yeah? It was like a good Billy Joel concert.

1160
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: He's playing all the hits like he was he was

1161
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: feeling it, like it wasn't the Trump that just kind

1162
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: of stumbled out there right after that the election. I

1163
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: think he very much regretted taking the advice of his advisors,

1164
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: who a said he should announce at that point and

1165
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: b said that he should stick to the script and

1166
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: try to be uh, you know this this politician who's

1167
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: like plays within the rules, and he did that, and

1168
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: he's like, now look what they did. They're trying to

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00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: throw me in jail. So you know, he's just going

1170
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: to say, we'll screw it. What's the point, and it

1171
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: will set him up. It gives him a reason to

1172
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: run his campaign because now he can just say he's,

1173
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, fighting off all of these different forces that

1174
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: are coming on him, which then means that he doesn't

1175
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: actually have to say what he was going to do

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00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: with if he's elected. I almost have this thought, I'm

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Speaker 1: curious what you guys think. This to me is like

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Speaker 1: almost the real campaign launch of twenty twenty four. Like

1179
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: his original campaign, it was such a snooze fest. We

1180
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: covered it all here Live, you know, we made a

1181
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: whole big to do out of it, and we watched it.

1182
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: We're like this, that's it, Like it's so disappointing. This

1183
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: it felt genuine for with him just watching him, you know,

1184
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: meandering all over the place. Chinatown is my personal favorite.

1185
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: We're all trying to figure out, like what is he

1186
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: talking about here? That is a part of a vintage Trump.

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00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: His energy scene there seemed more in a fighting posture, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: What did you think overall? Yeah, I mean it is

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00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: kind of an in between vibe because certainly higher energy

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Speaker 1: than the campaign launch, which was almost like very somber

1191
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: of their but he was more or less on script, right,

1192
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: I mean, short spit speech. He more or less to

1193
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: the teleprompter with a few little ad libs here or there.

1194
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: So it was like, in terms of the Trump vibe,

1195
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: it was kind of in between. He clearly had a

1196
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: lot more energy than he did at the campaign launch,

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Speaker 1: and a couple things stand out to me. Number one,

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Speaker 1: to your point, Sager, I'm not sure it is smart

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Speaker 1: strategically for him to focus on all the range of charges,

1200
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: because these particular charges are the weakest of all of

1201
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: them and the ones that he has the most to

1202
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: work with. So I'm actually a little surprised from a

1203
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: tactical perspective that he didn't just like laser in on

1204
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: these and hammer at home and get all the talking

1205
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: points going, and then the move is, which he has

1206
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: done before everything else, even though the other things may

1207
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: have more merit and may be more difficult to dismiss,

1208
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: you just lump them in the same category and say, see,

1209
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: it was a witch hunt with Alvin Bragg, and these

1210
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: are all witch hunts too, without having to get into

1211
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: all the specifics of like the parah, the document, like group,

1212
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: and what the acronyms he's using that I don't even

1213
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: know obviously off the top of my head. So I

1214
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: was spri that tactically. I do think it's a tell

1215
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: that he, like you kept pointing to Emily saying this

1216
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: is the tip of the iceberg, he clearly sees it

1217
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: that way as well. He sees this as the first

1218
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: of probably a number of charges he's going to have

1219
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: to deal with, and so he is already trying to

1220
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: make his case about all of those charges right now

1221
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: from the beginning. So I think that is noteworthy. And

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01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: then in the politics of it, and Emily would love

1223
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: to get your thought about this again, this just makes

1224
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: it impossible for any other Republican contender, because this is

1225
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: like the campaign launch, and guess what, It's not about

1226
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: policy or you know, what you're going to do for

1227
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: your state or for the country or whatever. It's about

1228
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: the litany of the attacks on him that he sees

1229
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: is unfair and all the people that are out to

1230
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: get him. How do you compete with that when that

1231
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: is the landscape that he is crafting, and that is

1232
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: going to be the landscape that the media is playing

1233
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: on too going into the primary elections. You absolutely don't.

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01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: And I actually wonder if that's factoring into Rhonda santa

1235
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: decision to test the waters in a way. He's not

1236
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, like Tim Scott, like

1237
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: Mike Pompeo, like other people that are declared. Of course,

1238
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: he is an acting governor, but at the same time,

1239
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: he really has waited, I think more has with more

1240
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: hesitants and eluctance into those waters than anyone else. Because

1241
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: if the election is about Donald Trump, the only person

1242
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: who's going to win a Republican primary is Donald Trump.

1243
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: If one of the top issues every single day is

1244
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: that for Republicans, the government is being weaponized to pursue

1245
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: a political enemy, and that political enemy is Donald Trump.

1246
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,959
Speaker 1: Even if it's a proxy as symbol, Trump always says,

1247
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: it's not about me, it's about you. I'm only in

1248
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: the way. If that's it, he's still the one in

1249
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: the way. So it doesn't make any sense that you

1250
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: could see somebody eating at the media attention. I understand

1251
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: all the arguments that there are different lanes for different

1252
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: Republican candidates going forward. I get it. But if this

1253
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: becomes the headline news over and over again, now that

1254
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: we have super hungry district attorney down in Atlanta, we

1255
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: have a special council probe on the documents. That's to

1256
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: Ryan's point he made earlier that was huge in the

1257
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: midterm elections was forcing the conversation about Trump with the documents.

1258
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: Democrats were very successful in making every candidate who was

1259
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: running everywhere talk constantly about Donald Trump, answer answer for

1260
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It made the MAGA candidates talk. It was

1261
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: like bait for them, talk more and more and more

1262
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump. He has raised ten million dollars since

1263
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: the indictment. This is a big is a lot of money.

1264
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: Ten million dollars since the indictment, So not only in

1265
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: the sort of media ecosystem. Will he eat up all

1266
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: of the different time and conversation. He could also do

1267
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: that with donors. It's also entirely possible that because he's

1268
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: the high profile subject of this, he gets all of

1269
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: the funding money. I kept thinking about that too, you know,

1270
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: earlier when I was watching Joe Biden is the president

1271
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: and he is the most irrelevant man today in the

1272
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: middle of his own tenure, the press the White House.

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01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: CNN is chartering her speedboat to watch this plane land,

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Speaker 1: the helicopter shots, the drones. There were hundreds of press

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Speaker 1: assembled outside of Manhattan, and the President of the United

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Speaker 1: States is sitting in the White House and they quote

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Speaker 1: call the lid like no public events scheduled at three

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Speaker 1: o'clock PM, because they're like no, It's like they're not

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Speaker 1: even involved in any of this. And I just kept

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Speaker 1: thinking about this. The Trump era began the day that

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Speaker 1: he walked down the escalator. It will end the day

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Speaker 1: that he dies. Even when he's not a candidate. He

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Speaker 1: is literally the center of gravity of politics. He was

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Speaker 1: like that even the first two years before he decided

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Speaker 1: he was going to run again against Biden. And when

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Speaker 1: you're the center of gravity, how do you run against that.

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Speaker 1: He's a bigger he's almost a larger than life figure.

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Speaker 1: He's not even political, he's meticultural. Now at this point,

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis, what is your case to Republican voters? Like?

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Speaker 1: You know, I saw Richard Hannania say this. He's like, listen,

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Speaker 1: DeSantis won't win because there are not people on YouTube

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Speaker 1: who consider themselves like actual QAnon preachers for Trump, who

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Speaker 1: think they're going to deliver, like no one is like

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Speaker 1: out there having shrines of Desanders, like he's going to

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Speaker 1: del over me from wayfair pedophiles. What you're saying is

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Speaker 1: that there's an opening market. Look, I get you're right

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Speaker 1: doing you know who benefits you benefits the most to

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Speaker 1: be out to have Joe Biden out of the news,

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Speaker 1: Joe bid Of course, that's the craziness of it, all right,

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Speaker 1: that's the craziness. And that's what I was thinking about,

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Speaker 1: is listen, whether they're right or not. And I think

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Speaker 1: they're very foolish and they're forgetting history to be like

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Speaker 1: we want Donald Trump to be the nominee. That is

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Speaker 1: what Democrats think. They want Donald Trump to be the nominee.

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Speaker 1: They are more fearful of Ron DeSantis as a contender.

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Speaker 1: The best thing for Joe Biden that could possibly happen

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Speaker 1: is for Trump and the Trump circus to be dominating

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Speaker 1: in the news and Biden to just be laying back

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Speaker 1: and not saying anything. So you have really like a

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Speaker 1: full service economy here. The corporate media on the liberal

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Speaker 1: side is going to be interested in leaning into this,

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Speaker 1: and I mean in a sense like we're doing that.

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Speaker 1: I can't blame them, because it is historic to have

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Speaker 1: a former president who is being indicted on this charge

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Speaker 1: and probably a range of other charges as well. They're

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Speaker 1: going to be leaning into it and making Trump the

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Speaker 1: center of their iire conservative media is going to whether

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Speaker 1: they want to or not, They're going to have to

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Speaker 1: do the same thing on the other side and focus

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Speaker 1: a lot on these and rebutting these charges, and that's

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Speaker 1: going to be the center of gravity there. All of

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Speaker 1: the oxygen in the political ecosystem is going to be

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Speaker 1: taken up once again by Donald Trump. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Brandon Johnson just went up, Wow and very interesting. Yes, guys,

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Speaker 1: left wing, most left wing mayorson child Washington. That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So just to everybody who's watching the stream and who

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Speaker 1: is listening, tomorrow when all this is going down. We

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Speaker 1: are actively monitoring the Chicago mayoral results and the Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: Supreme don't you give us Ryan a little bit of

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Speaker 1: an update on give us a lay of the land

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Speaker 1: in the Chicago rights for people I have been following

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Speaker 1: this and are like, I don't live in Chicago, why

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Speaker 1: should I care. It's a microcosm of our tough on

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Speaker 1: crime and defund the police debate that we've been having

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Speaker 1: since twenty twenty, basically with Democrats being told that you

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Speaker 1: know everybody, you know that that anybody who ever wore

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Speaker 1: defund the Police t shirt has to be driven out

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Speaker 1: of politics forever. Speaking of thinking of Wisconsin, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And Mendel Barnes almost won that race that Democrats gave

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Speaker 1: up on him on. So Brandon Johnson middle school teacher

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Speaker 1: kind of left left. The organizer for the for the teachers'

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Speaker 1: unions had the support of called it's called United Work,

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Speaker 1: the United Working Families, which is an affiliate of Working

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Speaker 1: Families Party, which has been organizing in Chicago for several

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Speaker 1: cycles now, and kind of taking what was a little

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Speaker 1: rump resistance to Rama Manuel and growing it into a

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Speaker 1: real kind of Democratic Socialist base on the city Council,

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Speaker 1: and this was their first candidate that they're running at

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Speaker 1: the mayoral level in November, or most first serious one

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Speaker 1: in November. He was at like three percent and he

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Speaker 1: propelled himself into the runoff into the top two against

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Speaker 1: Paul Vallas. He was outspent two to one. Wow, And

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Speaker 1: so there was a lot of pestimism going in that

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Speaker 1: the money that came and the organizing from the police

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Speaker 1: union would be enough to swamp him. But it looks

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Speaker 1: like right now he's up by eleven hundred votes, and

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Speaker 1: they expect that he'll win the mail in ballots by

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Speaker 1: at least ten thousand, and there's like almost what was

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Speaker 1: that margin of that look like a couple of points,

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Speaker 1: So right now he's up a point, but he would

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Speaker 1: end up winning by maybe three or four points if

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Speaker 1: the projections. If the projections hold. Wassman was saying that

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Speaker 1: Ballast needs a miracle at this point, and it does

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Speaker 1: seem to be a very clear ideological divide between the

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Speaker 1: two of them, and Vallis actually came in first in

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Speaker 1: the initial runoff that knocked Lori Lightfoot, who was the

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Speaker 1: incumbent mayor out, so you know, it looked like he

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Speaker 1: had a strong hand to play here going in as well.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's backed by a lot of the more

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Speaker 1: sort of like conservative apparatus in the city and certainly

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Speaker 1: back by the police union as well. Brandon Johnson was

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Speaker 1: accusing him of being like sort of like a closet

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Speaker 1: Trump supporter kind of thing. It was a very clear

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Speaker 1: ideological divide between these you can't fascinate and the Sanders

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Speaker 1: wings big problem has always been working class black voters,

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Speaker 1: and so this is that kind of the first time

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Speaker 1: that this coalition since like Harold Washington in the eighties

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Speaker 1: in Chicago, really pulled together working class black voters and

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Speaker 1: a progressive movement that is coded sometimes fairly sometimes unfairly

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Speaker 1: as kind of white dominated. Yeah, and that force coming

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Speaker 1: together is what is needed if you're going to take

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Speaker 1: if you're going to become dominant in democratic primaries, and

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Speaker 1: that had eluded the left in a lot of these races,

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Speaker 1: and you saw South Carolina break the back of the

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Speaker 1: Sanders campaign in twenty twenty, for instance. So if they

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Speaker 1: do pull this together, that it's a model, and whether

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Speaker 1: it can be repeated, we'll see. I was just said,

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Speaker 1: I think you can sort of make it Trump connection

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Speaker 1: here as as much of our stretch as it may seem,

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Speaker 1: and that when Lori Lightfoot was toppled, it was this.

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Speaker 1: Republicans sort of see in this a win for the

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Speaker 1: tough on crime Republican line, the the you know, centrist democrat,

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Speaker 1: the valance. You know, this is the voice, the voices

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Speaker 1: of reason and centrism are winning out because crime has

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Speaker 1: escalated in ways that your average Chicagoan feels threatened by.

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Speaker 1: And I think they're probably making a well, I know

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Speaker 1: they're making a similar argument in Wisconsin, which is another

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Speaker 1: race we're paying really close attention to. But abortion is

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Speaker 1: playing into that race as well. It's not playing in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: but it is playing in Wisconsin in the way that

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Speaker 1: it played out in some midterm competitions. And I just

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Speaker 1: think it's really important for people on the right who

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Speaker 1: look around the country and see what does look like

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Speaker 1: just urban decay. I mean, we're here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: It's a city that has plenty of problems, and that's

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Speaker 1: been sort of front you know, front page news for

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks in the way that Congress has

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Speaker 1: handled it. But Republicans think that means people are going

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Speaker 1: to gravitate in one direction. Yes, that people are going

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Speaker 1: to reject socialism. They're going to reject radical leftism. You know,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump was talking about hardcore Democrats and looney leftists,

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Speaker 1: looney liberals or whatever, because they're even the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: has real problems and Democratic socialists have real problems in

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Speaker 1: terms of governance in certain places. That is not automatic.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to be a reflex. There's nothing given

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Speaker 1: that these cities are just going to swing right because

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Speaker 1: of all of that. And I think Chicago could be

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Speaker 1: a really big indication tonight. I'm thinking of a multiple things.

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Speaker 1: So on the one hand, I was just looking at

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Speaker 1: a population map the other day. Here I can go

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Speaker 1: ahead and pull it up, and basically what it showed

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Speaker 1: is that you had California and the state of New

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Speaker 1: York lose a lot of population. That's what got the headlines.

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Speaker 1: But the bigger story was that every major urban city

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Speaker 1: across the country, save for cities in Texas, Arizona, and

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Speaker 1: even in Florida, many people were leading Miami Dade County

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Speaker 1: for you know, Tampa or other places which we're had

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Speaker 1: more affordable housing. So at a certain point, you might think, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: well the people who are staying in the cities clearly

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Speaker 1: are not leaving. You know, by definition, anybody who is

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Speaker 1: on the cusp of hates it so much that they

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Speaker 1: might vote differently is just going to leave. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people aren't just going to stay. So, if anything,

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Speaker 1: it could lead to a situation where people who are

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Speaker 1: committed to the project, to the city life and to

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Speaker 1: who want that and align or at least aren't as

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Speaker 1: perturbed as many others are obviously willing to vote within

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Speaker 1: those policies, and then people who don't like it are

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Speaker 1: just going to leave. So you might even have what

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Speaker 1: even more geographic polarization, if that's even possible. Significant net

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Speaker 1: migrations happen between urban and not even rural areas, but

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Speaker 1: really more suburban and ex urban. That probably is only

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Speaker 1: going to continue now as a result of that, But coincidentally,

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Speaker 1: actually think it probably makes it easier for leftists to

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Speaker 1: win in major cities if that's going to be the case.

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Speaker 1: Does all that make sense? Yeah? It does. I mean

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Speaker 1: you also there are a lot of people who can't leave, right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: look for I think you should leave. No, I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying leading yeah, and certainly in the parts of Chicago

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Speaker 1: that have been just beset by a scourge of gun violence,

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Speaker 1: you have had massive populations, lot huge, but you also

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Speaker 1: have a lot of people who you know, can't afford

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Speaker 1: to leave and have no choice but to stay and

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Speaker 1: to to try to, you know, figure out the best

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Speaker 1: way forward. You know. One of the things Ryan that

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Speaker 1: I'll be watching for is the media's takeaway on if

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Speaker 1: Brandon Johnson does prevail, Because anytime, like in Eric Adams wins,

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Speaker 1: it's like seen as a referendum on this is it's

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Speaker 1: the moderates time and the tough on crime eras here

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Speaker 1: and whatever, and whenever a leftist wins, it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a fluke doesn't mean anything, right, Like, oh, maybe

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Speaker 1: both are in these neighborhoods in Chicago that are actually

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Speaker 1: experienced experiencing extreme levels of violence, wants something other than

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Speaker 1: just incarceration as as a response to that, Like the

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Speaker 1: media could blore that as a possibility if Johnson wins, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're definitely not going to take it as like, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's a national backlash against Joe Biden moderate adventure. There's

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Speaker 1: no way. Whereas when when Eric Adams wins, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this means everything for the country, where you know. I

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Speaker 1: think probably the intelligent thing to do is to look

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Speaker 1: at the specifics of the races, the specifics of the candidates,

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Speaker 1: the specifics of the coalitions that you were talking about

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Speaker 1: that have been built up over a long period of time,

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Speaker 1: and view it through like a unique regional lens, rather

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Speaker 1: than trying to paint some broad national picture based on

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Speaker 1: one mayoral race result would be my suggestion. I also

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Speaker 1: really think that Republicans see their hope right now as

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Speaker 1: this backlash in general, and I think that's why Trump

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Speaker 1: framed his speech the way he did. To some extent,

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Speaker 1: that's his only option. But there's this idea that the

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Speaker 1: overreach and what feels like abnormality and unprecedented decisions, that's

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Speaker 1: what can tap into your voter that you need to animate,

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01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: get out and actually vote Republican and independent who may

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01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: go back and forth, makes them feel like the ground

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01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: is shaking under their feet, make them feel uncomfortable, And

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01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 1: I just don't think that translates into wins for centrists

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01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: and for Republicans as easily as people think it does.

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01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: I think that's what Trump is obviously to the point

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01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: that was raised here about how Donald Trump is trying

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01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: to tie this into the broader legal fights that he's facing.

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01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: I think that's very deliberate. It's very deliberate because he's

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01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,560
Speaker 1: tapping into what voters feel as being like maybe unsettled

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01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: or new abnormal in all of those different ways, including

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01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: with crime. But it doesn't automatically translate. There's no guarantee.

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01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: We've got one of our guests standing by, but why

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01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: don't you guys keep an eye on these results too,

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01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 1: and we'll get everybody updated because Wisconsin polls have closed

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01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: as well, so we should be getting some results on.

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01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: We will absolutely get them. So I believe we have

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Speaker 1: our guest standing by control room, we can go and

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01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: have there. He is national security lawyer Bradley Moss. Welcome

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01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: back to the show. Brad. It's good to see you.

1503
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: Good to see how you guys doing doing good? How

1504
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: about you? Well, can't complain it's been an interesting day. Yes,

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01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: I know this is your super Bowl, Brad, Yeah, the

1506
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: classified documents case. That'll be that's true. That's true, that

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01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: was your super Bowl. Although you know we've got a

1508
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: significant amount of that discussion in the speech as well, Brad, So,

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01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: the last time that you were on our show, one

1510
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 1: of the things that we wanted to discuss was about

1511
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: the potential indictment. All that was based on leaks. We're

1512
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: specifically focusing on the novel theory of the case. As

1513
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: you said, well, that's why novel things are novel. They

1514
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: will get tried in court. Now that you've had the

1515
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: chance to both read the indictment and to read the

1516
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: statement of facts, what's your major takeaway from this case?

1517
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: And I know that you've always found it defense or

1518
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: you found it defensible originally, do you still stand by that?

1519
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think about it? Sure,

1520
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: I think it's still defensible. I do view this as

1521
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: a very bold and risky move by Alvin Bragg. This

1522
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: is a very clear misdemeter case. If that's all he

1523
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: is bringing, I would have no concerns. I think Trump

1524
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,799
Speaker 1: would be toast. The elevation of this to a felony

1525
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,799
Speaker 1: is based on two basic issues. One is that campaign

1526
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: finance issue, which obviously is that novel theory. The idea

1527
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: to tying it in without actually charging a state election

1528
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: crime because they can't get to be preampted by federal law.

1529
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: But referencing that for a basis of elevating it to

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01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: a felony, that's going to be a subject of pre

1531
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: trial motions. We don't know how that'll go. That'll be

1532
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: a fascinating legal nerd moment. The rest of us, every

1533
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: everybody else will just be waiting to see what happens.

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01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: But the backup Alvin Braggers got here is these referencing

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01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 1: state tax crimes as well. That could be interesting, That

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01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 1: could salvage things if for any reason the election crime

1537
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: provisions go down and residuces this to a misdemeanor. But

1538
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: remember a misdemeter is still a crime. They're still a

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01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: crime here either way. Can you explain that tax piece,

1540
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: because I, frankly, as a non lawyer, am a little

1541
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: confused because in the statement of facts, clearly he you know,

1542
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: references that this was used and you know in part

1543
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: to have to engage in tax broad There are some

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01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 1: details that are given in the statement of facts with

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01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 1: regard to that. I read through it earlier in terms

1546
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: of how the payments were structured so that Michael Cohen

1547
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: could recognize it in a certain way on his tax statements,

1548
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: but it didn't seem that that was the piece that

1549
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: he was using to elevate this to a felony charge.

1550
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: So does he have to lay that out now or

1551
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: can they then in the trial make that case. How

1552
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: does this all work out? Sure? So the next step

1553
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: that the Trump team is going to take, and they're

1554
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:41,799
Speaker 1: going to take this anyways for a number of reasons,

1555
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: is they're going to ask for a bill of particulars.

1556
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,480
Speaker 1: They're going to ask for more detail beyond the basics

1557
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: that were in this indictment, and there was limits to

1558
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: what Alvin Bragg was legally required to do right now

1559
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: and what they could basically wait for the Trump team

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01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: to make them do more. So that be, you know,

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01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: the Trump people file for a bill of particular So

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01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: try to get a nailed down Alvin Bragg on what

1563
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: the specific state laws are at issue that he's going

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01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: to be relying upon to elevate it to a felony

1565
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: and how that relates to the statement of facts or

1566
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: offense whatever they want to call it in this case.

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01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: At this moment, I don't think that Alvin Brag is

1568
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: going to have to provide as much detail as the

1569
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,839
Speaker 1: Trump team would like. A lot of this will ultimately

1570
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 1: come down to if this gets the trials, that's where

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01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: he'll have to lay it all out. But a lot

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01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: of it's also going to come down to discovery. Alvin

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01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: Bragg's got sixty five days to basically turn over everything

1574
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: he's got to the Trump team so they can start

1575
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: deciding whether or not they're going to go with pretrial

1576
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,560
Speaker 1: motions to you know, to try to dismiss as a

1577
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,600
Speaker 1: matter of law, or try to get reduced down to

1578
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 1: a misdemeanor, any number of issues. That's where a lot

1579
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: of the details, a lot of the information will be outlined.

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01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: That's what the Trump team is waiting to see. Got it? So, Brad,

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01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: we had some of our premium subs. They submitted some

1582
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: questions that we thought were best for a lawyer. One

1583
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: of them is what would happen today if Trump had

1584
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 1: pled guilty? He actually intimated during his speech that prosecutors

1585
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: had wanted to strike a deal a What did you

1586
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: make of that? Do you think that was just trumping Trump?

1587
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: Do you think that was legitimate and be Actually that

1588
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: is a good question, like what does happen or what

1589
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: would a plea for the agreement even look like? Would

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01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,839
Speaker 1: he plead to a misdemeanor, like would that some settlement

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01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: type of b what do you think? Yeah, I have

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01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: no doubt that the DA's office probably did offer something

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01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: to Trump's team, some form of misdemeanor that Trump would

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01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: have to allocut to a certain number of charges would

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01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: be you know, probation if anything. If this is a misdemeanor.

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01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: In the end, even if it's a felony, jail time

1597
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: isn't really guaranteed, let alone likely for Donald Trump given

1598
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: the circumstances, given his lack of a criminal history, at

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01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: least so far. So if he had pled guilty today,

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01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: he would still been released, probably un bond. If anything,

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01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: there would be a pre sentencing report, there'd be any

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01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: number of details of both sides would get to submit

1603
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: briefs outlining what punishment they believe would be required under

1604
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: the New York state guidelines, and that would ultimately go

1605
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,679
Speaker 1: to the judge at a sentencing hearing. But he wouldn't

1606
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: have been going to jail today. It's not that kind

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01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: of kick, got it, Brett Brad Like you talk about

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01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: the New York State election law reference that Alvin Bragg

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01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: made you do, that entirely clear whether he's relying on

1610
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: New York state election law or the federal election law.

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01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: Either way, here's and this is where there's going to

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01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: be these pretrial motions which are going to get kind

1613
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: of interesting to legal nerds I don't know about for

1614
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: anybody else. There's going to be a pretrial motion by

1615
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: the Trump team claiming that whatever election law Alvin Bragg

1616
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: is relying upon, that it's been preempted, that he can't

1617
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: rely on state election law, for example, because the federal

1618
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: election laws preempt any state election laws that would apply

1619
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: to a federal candidate. Congress didn't want federal candidates for Senate,

1620
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: Congress or for the presidency to have to worry about

1621
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: fifty state laws and the federal election law, so that

1622
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,759
Speaker 1: would get preempted. So that that's going to be interesting

1623
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: to see exactly what Alvin Bragg is relying upon here,

1624
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: and if he's going for the federal one, there's going

1625
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: to be the obvious problem of well, you haven't charged it,

1626
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 1: and that's not within your jurisdiction. How can you elevate

1627
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 1: the charge based on a federal crime, which is the

1628
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: purview of DJ That's where over the next two to

1629
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 1: three months, says more details come out as the bill

1630
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: of particulars gets filed, I think we'll get a better

1631
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: sense of the nature of his case. These are things

1632
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: that Alfa Bradstein no doubt has already gained planned out.

1633
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: They've got legal memost prepared of how they would respond.

1634
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 1: Their briefs are probably pre written. For the most part.

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01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 1: They know what they're going to argue. They just don't

1636
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: know what the judge will decide. Bradley, in your view,

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01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 1: are there any risks to precedent here? Mile boss Tim

1638
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: Connie wrote in The Washington Examiner earlier that it's sort

1639
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: of ridiculous to suggest every expense that helps a campaign

1640
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: is then classified as a campaign expense. Although there's obviously

1641
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: other things going on here. That said, there is a

1642
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: kind of big question looming over it. Does this you know,

1643
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: Republicans are saying this is ushered in the Banana Republic

1644
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: era in American politics. Earlier you said there is a

1645
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: question going for misdemeanor to fellony, sort of converting that.

1646
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: Jonathan Chait wrote skeptically about that as well. Do you

1647
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: think there are any risks to setting bad precedents here

1648
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 1: or do you see this as a more narrow case.

1649
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: I view it as a narrow case, and I'll here's why.

1650
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: I'll say that there is a clear mysdemere case here

1651
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: because he used personal funds. This isn't like what Hillary

1652
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: Clinton did where her campaign reimbursed the law firm that

1653
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: had paid for the subcontractor to do the steel dot

1654
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 1: the thing that was campaign funds to be nobody to indict.

1655
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 1: It's a campaign. It shut down whatever corporate entity is

1656
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: all that's left of it. This was Donald Trump, from

1657
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: the Donald Trump Trust, cutting checks to Michael Cohen to

1658
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 1: reimburse him on the he locks that he took out

1659
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: to payoff Stormy Daniels. And it was the documentation outlining

1660
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 1: the payment to Michael Cohen was done through business records.

1661
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,600
Speaker 1: That's how he got caught up in this particular criminal provision.

1662
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: So that's very distinctive and very trumpious, trump yasque like.

1663
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: That is distinguishable from what say Hillary Clinton would do,

1664
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: or a Barack Obama and his campaign would do. There

1665
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't be there's no Obama organization to have run that

1666
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: through and a trust to have run that to pay

1667
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: off on a hush money deal the way that Donald

1668
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: Trump did. That's what I think makes this a very

1669
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: narrow case in that regard. I don't see that if

1670
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: this failed, and or if this goes forward either way,

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01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: I don't see this having ramifications for much of anybody else.

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01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,799
Speaker 1: Got it. So, if the Trump campaign had paid Stormy

1673
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: Daniels with campaign money, would he be in the clear here?

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01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 1: He personally might have. It depended on how it was

1675
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: documented by the campaign and where you know what they

1676
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: wrote down in FBC disclosures, But that's an issue of

1677
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: federal campaign laws, and that would be a problem for

1678
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: the lawyers and for the officials in the campaign who

1679
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: handled that. The extent to which Donald Trump personally would

1680
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: have been criminally reliable would have been a far hazier issue.

1681
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: But they didn't want the campaign handling it because they

1682
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: knew they would have to disclose all that to the FEC.

1683
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: He didn't want this disclosed to anybody. He was concealing it.

1684
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: And that's what this whole indictment and the same of

1685
01:24:56,520 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: the defense outlined. This was a two year conspiracy to

1686
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: kill these stories true or not. And I don't know

1687
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 1: to you who whether or not these stories with Kara

1688
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: McDougall and Stormy Daniels were true. And then to cover

1689
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 1: up the concealment of them through these shady reimbursed I mean,

1690
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: I think we have a pretty good sense. We have

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Speaker 1: another question from we well know, all right, that's not

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Speaker 1: what's on trial. So we have another question from one

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01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: of our premium subscribers. Brian McAfee asked about the statute

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01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: of limitation. He says, can anyone break down the statute

1695
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: of limitations in this case? Because this was another piece

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01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 1: where there was they had to kind of do some

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01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: legal maneuvering to make it so that they still had

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01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: time to charge this case. Yeah. So the problem for

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01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: Donald Trump here is he left the state of New York.

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01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,719
Speaker 1: He left first and twenty seventeen to become the president

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01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: to live in DC, and then after twenty seventeen, right

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01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: after twenty twenty when he lost the election, he moved

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01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: to Florida. He left the state, and under New York

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01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 1: state law, the moment he left to permanently reside somewhere else,

1705
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: the statue limitations was told it continued on and so

1706
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: it was put on hold that spatial limitations. That's why

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01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: it hasn't lapsed in this case. That's why it continued

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01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: forward and That's why that issue if he brings it

1709
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 1: up in tree trial motions, but I'm sure he will,

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01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: that's why that will fail. And finally, this is as

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01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 1: the President himself discussed or former president himself discussed in

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01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 1: his speech tonight, this is one case of potentially a

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01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: number where Trump could face charges. You've got the documents issue,

1714
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,799
Speaker 1: You've got the Fulton County grand jury and fake elector scheme.

1715
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: You've got the Special Council looking into a variety of

1716
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: misdeeds here in Washington. What do you think is the

1717
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: sort of most serious charges that he could face? Which

1718
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 1: case do you think is the most potentially solid here

1719
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: moving forward? The case that I have been waiting for

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01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: since August, the document case. Now, is this just your

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01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: personal bias speaking Bradley, totally not my personal bias, But no,

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01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: that is the one that I think is the most

1723
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: clear cut and simplest one. And here's why the January

1724
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 1: sixth one is going to get tied up in all

1725
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: kinds of issues of the Office of the President trying

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01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: to interact with state officials and officials with the DJ

1727
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: trying to push what is what he would argue is

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01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: a lawful government operation. It would have run into issues

1729
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: of what happened on January sixth in terms of his

1730
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: commentary with First Amendment prompts. There's a number of issues

1731
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: that would get tied up with that one. The Georgia case. Again,

1732
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: it's all tied up in a couple of phone calls.

1733
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't know the full universe what Fanny Willison has got.

1734
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's going to be very interesting when we

1735
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 1: see it all, but that has some convoluted aspects where

1736
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 1: it's a lot more of an issue for the fake

1737
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 1: electors and Rudy Gileani for what he said before the

1738
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 1: legislature than I think it is for Donald Trump. I

1739
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: think he's still just nice to think it's a shadier case.

1740
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 1: The documents are clear. They went tomorrow lago. They were

1741
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: still classified, they still had the markings, and as far

1742
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 1: as we can tell now from what we're getting from

1743
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 1: even that sealed ruling that got leaked out regarding Evan Corcoran,

1744
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: he was ordering his lawyers to help him conceal where

1745
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: the documents were to avoid the subpoena at ballgame. As

1746
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,600
Speaker 1: far as I'm sor right, yeah, I mean that's it

1747
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 1: fits with almost every legal analysis that I've seen yet

1748
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: involving all three cases. So, Brad, we always appreciate talking

1749
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: to you. We appreciate your view. Thank you for joining

1750
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: us and for staying late. We appreciate it very much.

1751
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: Not a problem, I'm going absolutely okay. So I mean, look,

1752
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: it seems to be basically Chrystal clear at this point,

1753
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: pun intended. I guess every major legal analyst that we've

1754
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: seen right and left as Brad. You know, Brad has

1755
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 1: always been somebody who wants to prosecute Trump. He's been

1756
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 1: a big defender of any of these cases. All of

1757
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 1: them are like, yeah, this one it's a little weak

1758
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: or at the very least. You know, he's saying open

1759
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 1: and shot on misdemeanor. He's like, we'll see how it goes.

1760
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: You know. What he was saying about Fulton County is

1761
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 1: something I've heard before, but all of them always come

1762
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,679
Speaker 1: back to. But the documents one is the real problem.

1763
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: Everyone right and left Trump only himself. You know, he

1764
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: obviously addressed that during his rally, talking about NARA, the

1765
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 1: National Records Act, and the Presidential Records Act in his

1766
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 1: own personal authority. It really does the problem also for him,

1767
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: is it doesn't even come down to his possession of

1768
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: the documents themselves, which would not have been a crime.

1769
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: It all comes down to the obstruction charge. That is

1770
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 1: the one that separates him from all of these other

1771
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: public officials. That said, who knows, I mean politically, it

1772
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 1: still would be damaging for Biden or for the DOJ

1773
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 1: to go after join the sitting president himself has also

1774
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 1: had classified documents. What did you guys take away from

1775
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 1: Brad's analysis, Yeah, on his misdemeanor point. Misdemeanor is also

1776
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: tough for the prosecutors because there's this two year of

1777
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: statute limitation, whereas the felony allows you to go to

1778
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: five years and then lets you pull in the misdemeanors

1779
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: as a result. So they're relying then completely on this fellow.

1780
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: They need the felony for that statue limit, and they'll say, well,

1781
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 1: he moves to Florida, so actually doesn't count, and so

1782
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: we can extend it as long as we want. But

1783
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 1: you can litigate that and they could lose that. Yes,

1784
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: that actually answers the premium subscriber question we got from

1785
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: Brian McAfee on can anyone break down the statute of

1786
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: limitations in this case, the two to five year that's

1787
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 1: why the felony is absolutely key. And that's where Trump

1788
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: pointed out in his speech. You know, everyone, quote, including

1789
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: rhinos and hardcore Democrats see this case as a weak one. Yea,

1790
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's true. I mean, basically, you don't see

1791
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: any full throated defenses of this particular case being just

1792
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: a knockout, like you're just knocking this one out of

1793
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: the ballpark. And I think that's important because, as we

1794
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, I do think Trump benefits in that

1795
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: murkiness that when that he's able to pitch this as

1796
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: black and white, and that's why he latched onto that

1797
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:50,719
Speaker 1: to the extent that he did in his speech, I think.

1798
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that documents case, that's the big one. Well,

1799
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 1: and I could be wrong, but I think that's the

1800
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: case that Trump talked the most about in his speech

1801
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 1: tonight as well. I mean, he certainly went into some

1802
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: detail about why he felt he had the authority and

1803
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: what a bunch of nonsense it was. And actually Joe

1804
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: Biden did the same thing, only worse than They're in

1805
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:15,759
Speaker 1: Chinatown or whatever. It seems to me like he also

1806
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: may feel that that's the case where he is in

1807
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 1: the greatest jeopardy because it also seems that they kind

1808
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: of get the goods on this one. I mean, they

1809
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,719
Speaker 1: subpoened all the surveillance footage. There seems to be somebody

1810
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 1: on the inside who was very close to Trump, perhaps

1811
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: in his Secret Service detail, even who has been informing

1812
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:38,799
Speaker 1: on him or one of his lawyers. It just recently

1813
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 1: was reported, I believe, by the Washington Post that they

1814
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 1: had additional evidence that seemed to indicate even after he

1815
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: had certified. Oh, yes, of course, we gave him up,

1816
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: that he personally was like sifting through these files and

1817
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 1: moving documents around. So could be that that one on

1818
01:31:55,840 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 1: the obstruction piece is the most clear cut legally speaking.

1819
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: But Ryan, I do wonder about, you know, the politics

1820
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: on the legal case. Maybe one thing, the politics of

1821
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: it did become a lot less clear when it was

1822
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: revealed that Joe Biden also had classified diety. Oh and

1823
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: Mike Pence had classified documents. And then everyone goes, Okay,

1824
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 1: I guess everybody had classified documents, So what the hell

1825
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: is going on here? Yeah, there's a there's a sense

1826
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: among some people that there's never a price to pay

1827
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: for fighting no matter what the odds, you should always

1828
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, take your fight, you know, to your to

1829
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: your opposition, and that they're this idea that you have

1830
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: that there's capital that you can gain and lose is

1831
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: not It's not really based in reality. But I think

1832
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 1: they're wrong. And I think if they spend capital on

1833
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 1: this Manhattan case and it gets dismissed, let's say, or

1834
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 1: it just fizzles, then then I think it does draw

1835
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 1: some energy away from stronger cases that they have, like

1836
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 1: the one you're talking about. So not only would they

1837
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 1: be prosecuting a document's case, which is tricky because the

1838
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: current sitting president has his own document document issues nowhere

1839
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 1: near as bad as Trump's. Like you said, he was

1840
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 1: just flagrantly committing crimes the entire time. But if it's

1841
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 1: if you have that confusion coupled with a failed prosecution

1842
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 1: in Manhattan and whatever happens in folding it, it allows

1843
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,759
Speaker 1: him to build a narrative that there's a witch hunt.

1844
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: One thing that I did wonder though, as well, is

1845
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 1: I know, obviously you know they'll all claim, oh, we're

1846
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 1: not considering the politics of it whatsoever, We're just evenly

1847
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 1: applying the facts in the law, and of course that's

1848
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:34,679
Speaker 1: total nonsense. And you know, the DOJ folks are these

1849
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: sort of like nervous nelly, like naturally personally conservative types,

1850
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 1: where I think they were probably deeply worried about what

1851
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 1: it might do to the country to charge Trump and

1852
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: are you going to have violent clashes and are you

1853
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: gonna have riots industry, like how is this all going

1854
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: to unfold? And you know, we saw some a little

1855
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: bit of protesters getting in each other's faces today, but

1856
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: it's certainly wasn't like another January sixth, right, So I wonder,

1857
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 1: on the other hand, if you don't have them feel

1858
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 1: like they have a little bit of cover now and

1859
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:11,799
Speaker 1: feel a little bit less nervous about bringing whatever cases

1860
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 1: and whatever charges they have and you know, seeing what sticks,

1861
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,640
Speaker 1: because they'll be less fearful of like, oh, this is

1862
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 1: just literally going to rip the country into very very possible.

1863
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: So we've got our other guests standing by. Josh Hammer.

1864
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: He's the opinion editor over at Newsweek. There he is.

1865
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 1: He's joining us now. Josh, I know that you watch

1866
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:31,719
Speaker 1: the speech and you've also you know, for the audience.

1867
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 1: He's also got a legal background so can speak to

1868
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:35,839
Speaker 1: a lot of that as well. It's like what we'd

1869
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 1: like to focus on here, Josh. At this point, I'm

1870
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: assuming you've read the indictment, the statement of facts and

1871
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 1: all that. What do you make of the case on

1872
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 1: its face against Trump? Well, great to be with you, guys.

1873
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, legally speaking, the indictment today, the statement of

1874
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: facts when I actually read it, even weaker than I

1875
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 1: expect that to be, and I had pretty shockingly low

1876
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,599
Speaker 1: expectations for how weak it would be. I mean, we

1877
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: do not know, literally, we do not know at this

1878
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 1: point what the alleged enhancement crime is that will purportedly

1879
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 1: take this from misdemeanor to felony. We literally don't know.

1880
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know. The scuttle but for the past

1881
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 1: few days has been that Alvin brad was going to

1882
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 1: try to invoke federal US campaign finance law. Maybe that's

1883
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 1: the case. I mean, in Alvin Bragg's posting Diamian press conference,

1884
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 1: he also alluded kind of confusingly to New York state law.

1885
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 1: So the whole thing is totally muddled. I mean, I mean,

1886
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 1: there's jurisdictional issues, there's statute limitations issues. It's really quite

1887
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:32,719
Speaker 1: farcical on its face. I think we have a question

1888
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 1: here that you maybe well positioned away in on from

1889
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 1: women of our premium subscribers is from Grace Gene. Grace says,

1890
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 1: are there other New York crimes that depend on breaking

1891
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 1: other laws? You discuss how the felony upgrade of Trump's

1892
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 1: charges depend on proving the crimes were committed in the

1893
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 1: further ins er covering up of other crimes, but in

1894
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 1: this case may have been federal though you're saying, Josh,

1895
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: it's not actually clear not state laws that were broken.

1896
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: Is there any precedent in statute or common law for

1897
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 1: other state laws being broken that depend on other crimes

1898
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: that may be based in federal law. I mean nothing

1899
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:06,759
Speaker 1: that I can remember for my first year of criminal

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Speaker 1: law course at the University Chicago Law School. I'll put

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Speaker 1: see that way. I mean, you know, if I were

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Speaker 1: to go into like Lexis and Nexus or Westlawn like

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Speaker 1: literally type in certain search terms, maybe I could pull

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Speaker 1: up some rogue prosecutors, some rogue judge out in kind

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Speaker 1: of the middle of the country who did something crazy

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Speaker 1: twenty or thirty years ago. But I mean to say

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Speaker 1: that this is non normal, I think would be understating it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Alvin Bragg is a county district attorney. He

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Speaker 1: is a partisan county district attorney who if he is

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Speaker 1: actually trying to reach for federal campaign finance laws, again

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Speaker 1: holding aside the glaring and obvious statute of limitations issue here,

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Speaker 1: he just quite simply has no jurisdiction to do so.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, US prosecutors have looked into possibly trying

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Speaker 1: to prosecute Trump for alleged violation of those federal campaign

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Speaker 1: finance laws and they have passed on the case. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's some precedent. He deepened the leads

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Speaker 1: of legal research Nerdery, But this is not a not

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Speaker 1: a common thing, Josh on that question, this is just

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Speaker 1: basic process stuff. What can people expect to happen next

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Speaker 1: for Donald Trump? There's a lot of speculation, you know,

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Speaker 1: anything can happen. There's already been speculation about what a

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Speaker 1: possible sentence would look like, et cetera, et cetera. What

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Speaker 1: do you think people should be looking out for in

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Speaker 1: the days and weeks ahead. So, one thing that I

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Speaker 1: thought was interesting about the speech in mar A Lago tonight,

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Speaker 1: it was a very tight controlled speech. I mean, to

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Speaker 1: be totally blunt. I actually thought it was somewhat boring,

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Speaker 1: and I think that was probably I thought that was

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Speaker 1: probably intentional. Right, I'm sure his lawyers were saying be boring.

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Speaker 1: I guess on the one hand, that's okay. On the

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Speaker 1: other hand, I thought politically as somewhat of a missed opportunity.

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Speaker 1: But clearly, and the reason I raised that, Emily is

1933
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Speaker 1: because clearly his lawyers are already in his ear. So

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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting just as a matter of kind of

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Speaker 1: the truth social social media stuff, to see like whether

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Speaker 1: the tone actually comes down a little bit. As far

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Speaker 1: as the courtroom stuff, I mean, you're gonna you're probably

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Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of cross motions filed, a lot

1939
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Speaker 1: of kind of lower profile stuff. Trump's team, quite possible

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Speaker 1: will make a motion to kind of move venue from

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Speaker 1: Manhattan at least to get this thing to Staten Island,

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Speaker 1: which is the only New York City borough that is

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Speaker 1: even remotely politically heterodots where he might get anything remotely

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Speaker 1: approximating a fair jury. So I expect some kind of

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Speaker 1: motions on both sides to kind of take up a

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Speaker 1: lot of the court's time. But as far as possibly

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Speaker 1: getting to a jury, if that it really is, where

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Speaker 1: as ultimately heads that would be many many months down

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Speaker 1: the line, probably late summer or early fall. I think

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, Josh, the question that I

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Speaker 1: asked our last guest, which is, of all the various

1952
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Speaker 1: legal jeopardy, not just this these particular charges, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Fulton County and the document situation in January sixth and

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Speaker 1: fake electors, which do you think is the most difficult

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Speaker 1: case for Trump and which do you think that he

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Speaker 1: faces the greatest legal jeopardy. Well, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of these cases are particularly serious

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Speaker 1: on the pure legal merits. I really don't mean I

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Speaker 1: mean the January sixth and Diamond, which I assume is

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Speaker 1: going to happen at this point. I mean, there's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of build up, you know, the January sixth

1962
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Speaker 1: Kangaroo Court kind of issues recommendation. Merrick Garland, from my perspective,

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Speaker 1: has been kind of sicking the prosecutorial APPARATUSUS on conservatives

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Speaker 1: for a while now, So I expect him to kind

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Speaker 1: of go forward with something January six related. But there's

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Speaker 1: a very direct First Amendment case law that really protects

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Speaker 1: what Trump said at the Ellipses that day, So I

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Speaker 1: don't view that as particularly legally serious. The classified document stuff,

1969
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Speaker 1: to me, is clearly statutorily protected under relevant statute, and

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Speaker 1: it's also constitutionally protected under the basic Commander in Chief

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Speaker 1: Article two progative because he was the sitting president of

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Speaker 1: the United States. And also the fact that Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: has his own classified document retention issues, I think mitigates

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Speaker 1: the possible effectiveness of that charge on Trump. So that

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Speaker 1: kind of leaves us with Georgia. That kind of leaves

1976
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Speaker 1: us with the whole infamous Brad Rathensburger phone call as

1977
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Speaker 1: possibly the least legally dubious. And I'm phraising myself carefully here.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's serious, the least legally dubious. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting perspective. I haven't heard that one yet.

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Speaker 1: Here's an interesting one from one of our premium subs

1981
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Speaker 1: which he might be able to answer from. Brian McAfee says,

1982
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Speaker 1: who is the victim here? You know, I have to

1983
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Speaker 1: remember from my law school days that who is the victim?

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Speaker 1: And did Trump have men'sray? I'm assuming I said that correct.

1985
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Speaker 1: I'm fairly sure I was taught a mens rea was

1986
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Speaker 1: required for a criminal charge unless it has a strict

1987
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Speaker 1: liability crime. I am struggling, struggling to find Trump's guilty

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Speaker 1: mind here to prosecute. First of all, explain what the

1989
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Speaker 1: hell he's saying about. Translates to the question all right, sure,

1990
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Speaker 1: so yeah, So a criminal law, one on one, there

1991
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Speaker 1: are two components for a crime. There is the actus rays,

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Speaker 1: which is the Latin term for the literal kind of

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Speaker 1: actual act, the actual conduct. And then this questionnare is correct,

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Speaker 1: you also need the relevant men's rea, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of the subjective mindset. So I am not barred in

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Speaker 1: New York. I'm barred in Texas. So I can't necessarily

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Speaker 1: speak with with any kind of great expertise for the

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Speaker 1: relevant underlying New York statutory law. But I would imagine

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Speaker 1: and that the actual misdemeanor here, the falsification of business records,

2000
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Speaker 1: probably has a strict liability attached to it, which, to

2001
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Speaker 1: kind of break down the league leads means that you

2002
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,600
Speaker 1: don't actually necessarily have to have a certain kind of

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Speaker 1: subjective mindset that if you do it, you do it.

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Speaker 1: But the men's ray is crucial here because when we

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Speaker 1: get into the possible federal campaign finance law stuff that

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01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 1: makes all the difference in the world. So Alvin Bragg's

2007
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Speaker 1: theory of the case, if it actually does involve federal

2008
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Speaker 1: campaign finance law, is that Donald Trump purposely and deliberately

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Speaker 1: falsified as business records in order in order for the

2010
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Speaker 1: subjective intent to strictly benefit his twenty sixteen presidential campaign.

2011
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Speaker 1: The obvious problem for Alvin Bragg's theory of the case

2012
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Speaker 1: is that his purported star witness, the convicted lawyer Michael Cohen,

2013
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Speaker 1: has literally testified that Donald Trump directed him to make

2014
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Speaker 1: the payment to save Trump's family from embarrassment, i e.

2015
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Speaker 1: It was not necessarily to benefit of twenty sixteen campaigns.

2016
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Speaker 1: So if you take Michael Cohen's own word, then the

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Speaker 1: men's ray of fails at least on the federal campaign

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Speaker 1: finance screends. Got it. Josh has actually been very, very helpful,

2019
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Speaker 1: So we appreciate you joining us tonight on breaking some

2020
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Speaker 1: of this down answering some of those questions. So appreciate it. Man,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks jash Any Signs. So we have a

2022
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 1: huge call here from Dave Wasserman. How do we decide

2023
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 1: to say her name? Well, I don't think we did.

2024
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,680
Speaker 1: Has defeated Daniel Kelly for Wisconsin Supreme Court. Wow. The

2025
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: result flipping the ideological control of the court from conservative

2026
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 1: to liberal. A huge victory for the pro host pro

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Speaker 1: choice side. So that's the call there from Dave Wasserman.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we'll wait for the ap but that's usually as

2029
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,760
Speaker 1: as good as it gets for the early one, and

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Speaker 1: it's early initial reactions. Well, that's that's the early call.

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Speaker 1: And when you're looking at these numbers, we see seventy

2032
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Speaker 1: one percent votes are in from Walkersha County, That's where

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Speaker 1: I'm from. Kelly got fifty nine percent of those seventy

2034
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Speaker 1: one percent that are in, and Potassowitz has forty one percent,

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Speaker 1: forty one percent in Wakansha County. Now, part of that

2036
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Speaker 1: is millennials changing voting. Talk about those numbers, he would

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01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 1: want something like mid sixties. Can we back up area

2038
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 1: right before the election results? Yeah? Explain why this is important?

2039
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 1: Why should anyone care about the Wisconsin's bere important? Well,

2040
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Speaker 1: Chrystlin Ryan might have additional thoughts on this, but I

2041
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 1: will say I think it is correct. Both the left

2042
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:18,320
Speaker 1: and the right. You'll notice have cast this framed this

2043
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Speaker 1: as a referendum on Scott Walker's era that he ushered

2044
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 1: into in Wisconsin. Wisconsin has been on a seesaw for

2045
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 1: the past decade plus. I was in high school when

2046
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 1: the Act ten drama was going down and had teachers

2047
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 1: who made up excuses to get out of class and

2048
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 1: go protest, and it was it was new for Wisconsin,

2049
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 1: which is a historically working class, very often much of

2050
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 1: the royal parts of the state all voted Democrat. You

2051
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:46,600
Speaker 1: know that district in northern Wisconsin. David Obi had it

2052
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:48,600
Speaker 1: for forty years and it flipped in twenty ten with

2053
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: Sean Duffy in the Tea party. Years Wisconsin has been

2054
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 1: on the seesaw, going back and forth. Scott Walker lost,

2055
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:57,200
Speaker 1: and it's you know who's going to win based on turnout.

2056
01:43:57,240 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 1: Who's animated based on turnout. And that's why when Wassherman

2057
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,559
Speaker 1: says this is a big win for the pro choice side,

2058
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:08,439
Speaker 1: that's because they animated voters on this abortion issue. They

2059
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: animated They successfully got more pro choice voters out than

2060
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 1: they did pro life voters in a state that was

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01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:17,600
Speaker 1: seen in the corporate media as being this beacon of

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Speaker 1: the conservative movement. The conservative movement had taken over Wisconsin

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01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: and it just was never true. It was never true.

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01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 1: And all of these different Act ten issues, abortion issues,

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01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:31,519
Speaker 1: jerrymandering issues are in front of the Wisconsin Supreme Court

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01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 1: and we'll be decided by the Wisconsin Supreme Court. So

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01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 1: this is huge, go ahead, right, And so far abortion

2068
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:40,440
Speaker 1: rights have been on the ballot in what Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: now Wisconsin, and every time abortion rights voters have come

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Speaker 1: out and upheld them. Interesting, so that works, how about that? Yeah? So,

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Speaker 1: like Crystal said, there's this eighteen forty law on the

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Speaker 1: books and it's working its way through the courts right now.

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Speaker 1: But while it is, abortion is not happening in Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: that this will change that. Like this this is a

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Speaker 1: way that people can vote and change their material lives.

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Speaker 1: So it's and then there's the jerry mannering, which is huge,

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Speaker 1: and then there's also the twenty twenty four lives. Sure

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01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 1: to say, I think that one is also I mentioned

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01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 1: guys can throw up C two here please. We have

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Speaker 1: a Milwaukee Journal Central Sentinel piece where they actually lay

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01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 1: it out quite well. The interesting thing to note here

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Speaker 1: is that there is a four to three majority on

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Speaker 1: the Court for the conservatives. Now that he has lost,

2084
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 1: and I'm not even trying to Janet now that Janet Janet,

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01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: it's not a disrespect I swear to go, you know.

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Speaker 1: So now that she has won, she is now won

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Speaker 1: a ten year term on the court, which means that

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01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 1: the next race on the Court is not until twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. So we have a two year period here

2090
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 1: where four to three liberal majority will stand at a

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01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:57,040
Speaker 1: time when abortion is directly before the Supreme Court, voting

2092
01:45:57,120 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 1: is before the Supreme Court on jerrymandering, and critically, all

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Speaker 1: of the stop the Steel efforts were happening in the

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01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 1: Wisconsin state legislature during the twenty twenty election, which might

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01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:09,680
Speaker 1: have been challenged if there were any Republican victories in

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01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 1: the state legislature that might have led to attempts to

2097
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 1: decertify or have a different interpretation of electoral college law.

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01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,360
Speaker 1: All of that will now be before a liberal court

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01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 1: in a direct flip on the issue. So people forget

2100
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 1: that Trump's challenge in twenty twenty was rejected four to

2101
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 1: three by the Wisconsin the exact court. Yes, if he

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Speaker 1: had won that that changes everything. It could have been Democrats,

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01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:35,639
Speaker 1: Democrats were able to say, it's been seen by fifty

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Speaker 1: judges and all fifty have thrown it out. Get out

2105
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Speaker 1: of here with your nonsense. If they had won in Wisconsin,

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01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 1: all bets are off. And by the way, my understanding

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Speaker 1: is the one conservative who sided with the liberals on

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Speaker 1: that it wasn't on really the merits of the case.

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Speaker 1: It was on some procedural standing issue, and so there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of there was very deep concern that

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Speaker 1: time around they may not go the way that they

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Speaker 1: did this time. So that was certainly incredibly important. I

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Speaker 1: just want to underscore the abortion piece, though, because I

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Speaker 1: do think this was central, and you know, anecdotal reporting

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Speaker 1: from the ground is that every voter was basically like,

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Speaker 1: I'm here because of abortion. I'm here because of abortion

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Speaker 1: because it is super real and it's super tangible and

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Speaker 1: it's you know, super like present in people's lives. Right now,

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Speaker 1: this law is currently in effect, it is whinding its

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Speaker 1: way through the courts, as Ryan said, and now, just

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Speaker 1: to select Janet was quite explicit. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're used to this game that like Supreme Court justices play, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: opine on cases that. No, she was pretty clear, like,

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Speaker 1: I do not think this is appropriate. Some eighteen forties

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Speaker 1: law is certainly women couldn't even vote, then certainly we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be abiding by that law. So she was very

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Speaker 1: clear about how she would vote on it, and I

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Speaker 1: do think that was probably the dominant an issue. To

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Speaker 1: speak to Emley's point about the political dynamics in the state,

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Speaker 1: voters have more often than not in statewide races elected Democrats,

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Speaker 1: but at the legislative level it is wildly different. Republicans

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Speaker 1: have so much power within the state legislature because of

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Speaker 1: this post twenty ten Jerrymander and I know we can

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Speaker 1: talk about this near eyes glaze over, but they only

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Speaker 1: need to win like forty percent of the vote in

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Speaker 1: order to win majority in the state legislature. So you

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Speaker 1: have a situation where a party that has lost statewide

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Speaker 1: repeatedly and lost the popular vote repeatedly still has all

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Speaker 1: of this power in the state. And that's one of

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Speaker 1: the other issues that now Justice select Janet has talked

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Speaker 1: openly about how she does not think that that is

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Speaker 1: appropriate and would take a hard look at these lines

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Speaker 1: that have been drawn, so huge, huge stakes here in

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Speaker 1: terms of reproductive rights, huge stakes in terms of jerrymandering,

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Speaker 1: and of course from a national perspective, certainly huge stakes

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Speaker 1: for future Stop the Steel election. The congressional delegation of

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Speaker 1: eight is six Republicans and two Democrats like that alone.

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Speaker 1: It's in a fifty to fifty state, and they have

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Speaker 1: borderline supermajorities right of Republicans in the state legislature. Well,

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Speaker 1: and this is where I would say Wisconsin Republicans have

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Speaker 1: gotten way too comfortable. I made the same argument in

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Speaker 1: twenty eight twenty oply, So I want to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: it is absolutely important to look at Wisconsin. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that's just because in from wis guns and

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Speaker 1: as a really good test laboratory for the country at large,

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Speaker 1: it actually has It has urban centers, it has rural areas,

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Speaker 1: It has pretty robust exurban and suburban areas. And this

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Speaker 1: is a state that had a really big organizing history,

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Speaker 1: that has a history of socialism, Bob Lafal and all

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Speaker 1: of those things. Because it came out of the early

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Speaker 1: labor movement, and because it came out of that period

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Speaker 1: where where labor had a lot more power where rural

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Speaker 1: areas were very different culturally. And so when when you

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Speaker 1: look at what's happened in the state of Wisconsin, where

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Speaker 1: you have a lot of people, I mean, Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: trounced Hillary Clinton in Wisconsin trounced her. Donald Trump draws

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Speaker 1: big rally crowds. He's always had a close race in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: And that's the country. I mean, really, Wisconsin is the country.

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Speaker 1: And when you look at an issue where you have

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Speaker 1: Republicans running on crime, this you can dry. You can

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Speaker 1: draw a direct line from you know, let's just stay

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Speaker 1: from you can go from Kenosha to Chicago. Just take

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Speaker 1: that short drive from Kenosha to Chicago. Republicans in Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: were running on crime. They tried to cast Justice select

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Speaker 1: Janet as being soft on crime, which they thought in

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Speaker 1: this climate where like carjackings are just up astronomically in Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: that that would do it. That this is how they win,

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Speaker 1: this is their this is their roadmap. And instead, you know,

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Speaker 1: Chicago looks like you're going to have the most left

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Speaker 1: wing mayor since the eighties. I mean, it's just it's

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Speaker 1: not what Republicans think it is. Let me throw let

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Speaker 1: me throw one more wrench into this because the question

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Speaker 1: of super majority was brought up, and there's actually a

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Speaker 1: state Senate special election that is also going on which

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Speaker 1: will determine whether or not Republicans have a supermajority. And

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Speaker 1: this also connects to the state Supreme Court seat that

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Speaker 1: we have been discussing, because some of them have already

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Speaker 1: openly been saying that if they get that super majority,

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Speaker 1: they're going to impeach Justice Janet right away. So they're

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Speaker 1: talking about it already like if we get that two thirds,

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Speaker 1: we're coming for her, even before you know she had

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Speaker 1: even won the election. So it is high stakes all

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Speaker 1: of these things and quite noteworthy. But I do think

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Speaker 1: one of the things that was most telling to me

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Speaker 1: was the fact that Janet was running very aggressively on

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Speaker 1: here's what I'm going to do. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: let this abortion law anti abortion law go into effect,

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Speaker 1: and Dan Kelly, the conservative candidate, was more like, ah, well,

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Speaker 1: i'll talk about that when we get to it. He

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Speaker 1: took more of the typical line, which shows you that

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Speaker 1: he was much less comfortab we talking about the issue.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Os looks that the Republican is up by about

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Speaker 1: one hundred votes, okay in that special election. Well, how

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Speaker 1: many more votes to be cast? Eighty six percent in

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Speaker 1: sixty three thirty? Close? Wow, I will say, some real

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Speaker 1: breaking news coming from my iPad right now from my mom.

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Speaker 1: Crystal is right. She is right. She is right about

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Speaker 1: the gerimandering issue as well. There you go, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Missing people hate that their vote doesn't count, and we

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Speaker 1: know that in DC is people who go out and

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Speaker 1: vote just for fun. Like it doesn't exactly that reason. Okay,

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Speaker 1: any other final thoughts here that we want to wrap up.

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Speaker 1: Maybe on Chicago. I know that we still don't have

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Speaker 1: the exact cut there, but Wisconsin. Obviously, the fact that

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Speaker 1: we were able to even make a call here tonight

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Speaker 1: on the stream is actually pretty incredible. Yeah. Should we

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Speaker 1: end the stream by making fun of CNN? I think

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Speaker 1: that'd be a good something. Everybody here at the table,

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Speaker 1: everybody out there watching this live. I alluded to this before,

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Speaker 1: I just could not believe it. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. So on Monday

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Speaker 1: when Trump or sorry, on Tuesday, when Trump was arriving

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Speaker 1: in New York City, let's put the tweet up here, please,

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Speaker 1: one D one CNN literally went out of its way

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Speaker 1: to get a camera on board a speedboat which they

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Speaker 1: chartered trying to capture a few second shot just of

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Speaker 1: Trump's plane landing in New York City, in addition to

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Speaker 1: an aerial helicopter shot that they also had going on. Now,

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Speaker 1: imagine the mechanics that are going through here. We're hiring

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Speaker 1: a freelance cameraman. We're having a live camera link to

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Speaker 1: this individual. We are chartering a speedboat is it the

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Speaker 1: Hudson River whatever, whichever river there near LaGuardia. That's half

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Speaker 1: of that. We also have video of what this major

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Speaker 1: investment looked like. So guys, let's go ahead and play

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Speaker 1: this for the audience. If you're watching or if you're

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Speaker 1: listening on Spotify, and if your premium, I urge you

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Speaker 1: to open up your phone whenever it's safe to actually

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Speaker 1: watch this, let's go ahead and play it for the people.

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Speaker 1: D two here please for the vo It is just

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Speaker 1: absolutely incredible. Let's take a listen. I just want to

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Speaker 1: note for viewers, we are seeing former President Trump's plane

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Speaker 1: land her at LaGuardia Airport in New York. That is

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Speaker 1: his flight that he is taking before he is going

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Speaker 1: to make his way over here to Trump Tower, Phil

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Speaker 1: and Dana before he is going to be a rain tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: That of course is look at the mastery of that shot.

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Speaker 1: Where'd they get the sun shot? That's the helicopter Ryan,

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Speaker 1: they have the area, they have the hailshah. Yeah. Think

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Speaker 1: about the astronomical amount of money that was spent on

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Speaker 1: those two individual shots. That is what their news gathering

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Speaker 1: dollars are going towards out of line, and everybody need

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Speaker 1: a premium subscription so we can get a breaking point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's Trump and Deck. You're right, I said, CNN has

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Speaker 1: just gone through sadly a round of layoffs and it's

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Speaker 1: like cutting essential travel and ship and yet it was

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Speaker 1: that expensive his boat gas boat people tell me the

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Speaker 1: boat gas is very expensive. Very What do we do?

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Speaker 1: What do we do? You below deck? Huh? Yeah, that's true,

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Speaker 1: that's shout. It reminds me, do you guys when CNN

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Speaker 1: did that like whole hologram thing for this was a

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Speaker 1: while back being in school watching this and it was like,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe this is real. It was like there's

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Speaker 1: no point of this other than just like you apparently

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Speaker 1: have way too much money to spend. But this point

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Speaker 1: they're literally talking job their job cutting. They're doing all this,

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Speaker 1: they have a helicopter hovering. First of all, I actually

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Speaker 1: a lot of questions. Why is helicopter able to get

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Speaker 1: that close? It's a little close and to a runway

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Speaker 1: given what we do with the footag edge and the FAA,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure sure boat big yeah, I mean just

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Speaker 1: they just the sheer amount of resources that they are

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Speaker 1: spending on this entire circus. It just comes back to

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Speaker 1: like Trump was great for ratings and for all the

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Speaker 1: talk of Chris Licked saying, oh we're gonna move away

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Speaker 1: to Trump all this the day he's back, they went off.

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Speaker 1: That's a Jeff Stucker playbook. Move go all out that

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Speaker 1: you can for Trump because they haven't changed it all

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Speaker 1: isn't working. Yeah, because it isn't working. And so now

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Speaker 1: they're right back to their bread and butter. It's just unbearable.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, there you go. Now, if they went stripe

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Speaker 1: fishing right like off the boat afterwards, yes, maybe they

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Speaker 1: charged like they had a little company retreat on it.

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Speaker 1: After company retreat, that's some team building. Become a premium

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Speaker 1: subscriber so that we can get a boat, and I

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Speaker 1: guess we could know we would never spend your hard

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Speaker 1: earned money on ship like that, which is why their

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Speaker 1: business model is bullshit and our business model is not.

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Speaker 1: We spent our time here. Wow, we've been up here

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Speaker 1: for almost two and a half hours. Trump was for

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Speaker 1: twenty of it while breaking all this down for you.

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Speaker 1: We brought you the Trump and indictment, the pre show.

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Speaker 1: I guess like everything that happened after the arrest, we

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Speaker 1: reacted to the speech. We were able to call some

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Speaker 1: elections here and all that live. Thank you all to

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Speaker 1: our premium subs, who not only submitted questions that were

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Speaker 1: actually great for our legal guests, but also just for

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Speaker 1: enabling the work here. You know, it costs a lot

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Speaker 1: of money to put on these streams crew, you know,

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Speaker 1: disrupt the schedule, rent studio, et cetera. So thank you

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Speaker 1: all for supporting our work. And I just want to

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Speaker 1: say how much more beautiful this is going to look

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Speaker 1: in our new studio when it's all done very very soon.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait, We really like, we really can't wait

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Speaker 1: to reveal that to everybody. It's a look. So the

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Speaker 1: actual truth is it's a poe and that we're retiring

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Speaker 1: now because he's going to the White House. You are

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Speaker 1: all actually going to love it. Whenever we do our

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Speaker 1: next live stream from the desk and from that new studios.

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Speaker 1: I'm so pumped. I can't even stop smiling just thinking

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Speaker 1: about it. So we love all of you. We will

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Speaker 1: post a lot of this over on Wednesday. Chris wan

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Speaker 1: have a special counterpoint show for you guys on Friday.

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Speaker 1: So you are not missing on anything, right, We'll see

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Speaker 1: you later, see y'all, see you then,