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Speaker 1: That didn't go well. Um. This is Behind the Bastards,

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Speaker 1: how you doing man? Man, I'm honored to be here.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm toning down my fandom. This is Zoe.

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Speaker 1: Board of Education. I think that's probably my my favorite

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Speaker 1: I think it was great? Yeah? No, I um yeah,

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Speaker 1: to push for progress when he thinks it advantages him electoral.

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Speaker 1: Not exactly pragmatic racist. That's a fair way to refer

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Speaker 1: to Lyndon Baynes Johnson. Um and I'm I'm gonna read

429
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Speaker 1: a quote from Black Against Empire again kind of describing

430
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Speaker 1: how this all comes to a head at the Democratic

431
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Speaker 1: Party State Convention in Jackson, Mississippi in nineteen six four. Quote.

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Speaker 1: The MFDP held a state convention in Jackson in early

433
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Speaker 1: August and selected sixty eight delegates to attend the upcoming

434
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Speaker 1: Democratic National Convention in Atlantic City, New Jersey. President Johnson

435
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: was determined to maintain white Southern support and worked to

436
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Speaker 1: undermine the m f DP. On August twelve, Mississippi's Democratic Governor,

437
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Speaker 1: Paul B. Johnson told the all white Dixiecrat delegation that

438
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Speaker 1: President Johnson had personally promised him not to seat the

439
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: m f d P. The President refused to discuss the

440
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: m f DP with civil rights leaders and instructed FBI

441
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Speaker 1: Director Hoover to monitor the renegade party closely and provide

442
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Speaker 1: regular updates on its activities to the White House. It's

443
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Speaker 1: not gonna be the last time we hear about the

444
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Speaker 1: FBI and the story she so yeah. Basically, the m

445
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: f DPS goal was to try and make enough noise

446
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 1: at this assembly um that the Credentials Committee would have

447
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: to call a vote about whether to seat the delegation

448
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: from the m f d P at the convention that year.

449
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: And they called a number of people to testify before

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Speaker 1: the committee, including a woman named Fannie Lou Hamer who

451
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Speaker 1: is a black activist with the Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee. Now,

452
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: she was fired from her job and beaten in jail

453
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Speaker 1: by black prisoners who were being ordered by probably under

454
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Speaker 1: the threat of death from white policeman to attack her. UM.

455
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: So basically she gets thrown in jail for registering people

456
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: to vote, and the cops tell other people who are

457
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Speaker 1: in prison or who are in jail with her, like

458
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: beat the ship out of this lady, or will deal

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Speaker 1: with you. And this is what Fanny lu Hamer says

460
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: at the Jackson Convention quote, the first Negro began to beat,

461
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Speaker 1: and I was beat until I was exhausted. After the

462
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: first Negro was exhausted, the state highway patrolman ordered the

463
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Speaker 1: second Negro to take the black jack. The second Negro

464
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: began to beat I began to scream, and one white

465
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Speaker 1: man got up and began to beat me on my

466
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Speaker 1: head and tell me to hush. One my white man,

467
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: my dress had worked up high. He walked over and

468
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: pulled my dress down, and he pulled my dress back up.

469
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Speaker 1: All of this on account we wanted to register to

470
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Speaker 1: become first class citizens. And if the Freedom Democratic Party

471
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Speaker 1: is not seated, now I question America. Yeah, yeah, ah, yeah, yeah.

472
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: It's just this onion of pain. Every time and more

473
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: you dig, you're just like, oh, yep, yeah that happened. Yeah,

474
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Speaker 1: you know what's not an onion of pain? Geez? Most

475
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: likely the other pod that's about to be advertised. I'm

476
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: just saying. If I'm if I'm running y'all's random things,

477
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: usually it's another pod, yeah, or the Koke Brothers. Let's

478
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: hope it's an oil refining. Yeah. Anyway, here it is.

479
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: There's not going to be a single good ad transition.

480
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Speaker 1: We're back. So we just talked about, um, we just

481
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Speaker 1: talked about Fannie Hamer and her her speech at the

482
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: Mississippi Democratic Conference UM, and it caused enough of an uproar,

483
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: and it gained enough national sympathy because it was televised

484
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: that lb J couldn't just completely ignore the m FDP.

485
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: So she gets up and kind of pulls it people's

486
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: human heart strings, like even people, most people are pretty

487
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: racist back then, but they're not inhuman and something like

488
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: that makes them feel terrible, and so they're like, yeah,

489
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: maybe we should seat this delegation, which lb J feels

490
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: he can't do because again he's trying to cow tow

491
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: to the racist contention to the Democratic Party. So he's

492
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: put in this situation where he has to deal with them,

493
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: but he also is not willing to actually deal with them.

494
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: So instead he brings in his vice president, History's greatest monster,

495
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: Hubert Humphrey UM, and Hubert Hubert's job is to deal

496
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Speaker 1: with this problem, which is again, the problem is black

497
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: people wanting to vote without being murder them. Is the

498
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: constitution anyway? On the problem is the Constitution that pesky document? Yet,

499
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: So Humphrey meets with the m f DP delegation and

500
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Speaker 1: he tells them that they're not going to be seated,

501
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: but that the president is willing to compromise by letting

502
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Speaker 1: what he called educated professionals from the group, one of

503
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Speaker 1: whom was white, sit with the Mississippi delegation at the convention.

504
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: Humphrey refused to let miss Hammer sit with the delegation, saying,

505
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Speaker 1: the President will not allow that a literate woman to

506
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Speaker 1: speak from the floor of the conventions. So that's yeah. Now,

507
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: the m FDP, to their credit, refuses to compromise. But

508
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: that wound up not mattering because this was all a

509
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: scheme in the first place. While they were meeting with

510
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: Humphrey l b J. Had the party announced that the

511
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: m f DP had reached a compromise with the Democratic Party,

512
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: the whole thing had been a double cross, so he'd

513
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: put them in that meeting so they wouldn't know that

514
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: this was going on, and then by the time it

515
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: was announced, they have to either spoil the whole convention

516
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: and the election, which obviously matters to them because civil

517
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: rights is on the docket, or like, just let him

518
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Speaker 1: get away with this ship. Um. So l b J

519
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: kind of wins this round. Um yeah, and it sucks, um.

520
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: But what happened there, like the double cross in nineteen

521
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: sixty four, was really widespread knowledge, particularly in the black community,

522
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: and it infuriated many people who felt the civil rights

523
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: movement had mainly achieved cosmetic victories. Malcolm X addressed these

524
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: people when he said, quote, now you're facing a situation

525
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Speaker 1: where the young negro is coming up. They don't want

526
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: to hear that turn the other cheek stuff. No, there's

527
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: a new deal coming, there's new thinking coming in, there's

528
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: new strategy coming in. It'll be molotov cocktails this month,

529
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: hand grenades next month, and something else next month. It'll

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00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: be ballots or it'll be bullets. It'll be liberty or

531
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: it will be death. The only difference about this kind

532
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: of death it'll be reciprocal. Yep. Yeah, very famous speech,

533
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: very famous quote. Yeah, ballot and bullets speech man. Yeah,

534
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: resonates too deep. It resonates. And if we're you know there,

535
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: like obviously the story of the white sort of people

536
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: generally referred to as the Founding Fathers, almost all of

537
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: them um were deeply racist. But there is still there

538
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: is this one thing that's really interesting me. There's this

539
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: similarity in sort of the language um, anyone fighting for

540
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: what they perceive as liberty tends to use because Malcolm

541
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: X's ballot of the bullet speech very similar to Nathan

542
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: Hale's liberty or Death speech, um, which is fascinating to me. Yeah,

543
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: that's a good catchman. You're really astute young man. So

544
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: February six, sixty five, we're going back to Bobby Sealing

545
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: and Hughie Pine Newton. Now, I just wanted to give

546
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: that sort of context of what kind of how frustrating

547
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: and feudal it would have felt to try to do

548
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: this legally and respectably by kind of the mainstream attitudes.

549
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: So February six, nineteen sixty five was a very key

550
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: day for Bobby Seal and Hue P. Newton. That is

551
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: the day that Malcolm X was assassinated by a member

552
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: of the Nation of Islam. Um. This made Bobby so

553
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: angry that he grabbed a bunch of bricks from his

554
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: mother's garden, broke them in half, and started tossing them

555
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: at the cars of any white people who drove by.

556
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: He vowed to make himself into a motherfucking Malcolm X.

557
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Millions of black folks across the country were incensed by

558
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: Malcolm X's death, and six months after his assassination, the

559
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: Watts neighborhood of Los Angeles was host to something that

560
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: looks very close to a civil war, the Watts Riots. UM.

561
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Speaker 1: And I think riot might even be an unfair term,

562
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: Like legally that's what they were declared. Um, it was

563
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: an uprising. Um. The most direct cause of this was

564
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: the mass murder of black people by the l A. P.

565
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: D UH. Sixty five black men had been murdered by

566
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles cops from January of nineteen sixty two to

567
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: July of nineteen UM. In twenty seven cases, the victim

568
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: was shot in the back. Only one of these murders

569
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: was actually ruled an unjust homicide, though, and this was

570
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: a case where two cops were literally playing cops and

571
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: robbers with real guns and accidentally murdered a newspaperman. Um. Yeah,

572
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: so so no, no, no, I wasna saying, I see

573
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: it's crazy, like today's just one of those heavy days.

574
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: I just left my my great aunt's house, like my

575
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: grandma's sister, and she was just now right before I

576
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: got here, talking about the Watts Riots, and it was

577
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: so it's like the stuff that she's never said, well

578
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: because I never really asked, but like you know, my

579
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: family has been in Los Angeles since the fifties, you

580
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So Um, when she was describing

581
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: the moment of riots, she started dropping these other gems like, hey,

582
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: you know when Jim Crow, because my family's originally from Texas,

583
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: then they moved here. Um said the that LAPD was

584
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: like recruiting from like disgruntled, like Southern once Jim Crow ended,

585
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: Like they were recruiting these like disgrunt old Southern men

586
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: that were like frustrated about Jim Crow and wanted to

587
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: do something about America. So they were coming to be

588
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: a part of law enforcement. So if you feel Compton

589
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: Watts l a with these men who are mad that

590
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: Jim Crow's over, it's a powder keg. Yeah it's gonna explode. Yeah,

591
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: it's going to explode. Um and it does. Um in

592
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: in during the Watts riots, and the most direct cause

593
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Speaker 1: of the riot itself for the uprising itself was the

594
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: traffic stop of Marquette and Ronald fry Um. Both men

595
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: were pulled over by a highway patrol cop and a

596
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: crowd gathered while they argued with him. Um. The crowd

597
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: got very angry when the police started beating Rena fry

598
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Their mother with a black act when she came in

599
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: to intervene. So they started beating this this middle aged

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00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: woman with black jack's. Basically, it's like a big leather

601
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: beat stick, I guess is the best way to describe it.

602
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: Um uh yeah, So the Watts riots deserve an episode

603
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: of their own. UM for now. What's worth noting is

604
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: that large numbers of the police would call them rioters.

605
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: I would prefer to call them protesters fired on police

606
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: helicopters with rifles. Um. Huge numbers of guns were stolen.

607
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: The police chief compared the violence to Vietnam, and so

608
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: did black activists on the street who were interviewed by

609
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: journalists at the time. Thirty four people, most of whom

610
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: were black, were killed in the violence, and mostly by police. Now,

611
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: all of this, the failures of conventional politics to provide

612
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: an effective remedy to racism, the death of Malcolm X,

613
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: and the Watts Riot, all of this helped spurge a

614
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: massive surge and revolutionary black activism in the United States

615
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: in the mid nineteen sixties. UM. Now, Huey P. Newton

616
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: and Bobby Seal were already very politically radical UM when

617
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: this happened, and they'd flirted over the years with a

618
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: series of different groups, and including one called the Revolutionary

619
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: Action Movement. Um RAM argued that black people were a colony,

620
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: UM had basically been colonized by American white people, and

621
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: that the struggle for black liberation was part of the

622
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: global struggle against colonialism, which was then happening. You know,

623
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: we're in the post World War two period. All these

624
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: different colonies around the world are starting to either fight

625
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: for their freedom or protest for it. Um and Huey's

626
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: brother Melvin joined RAM, but Hui was kind of frustrated

627
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: by the fact that he felt the organization preferred posturing

628
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: and intellectual discussion to direct action. He became convinced that

629
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: none of these ideological organizations could reach black people on

630
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: the street who didn't have like a thorough grounding in

631
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: political theory. Basically, like what you're talking about I agree with,

632
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: but all you're doing is talking, and you're talking about

633
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: theory that's at such an intellectual level that you're not

634
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: able to reach people who are just like you know,

635
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: living and working sort of at a street level that

636
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: aren't academics. UM and Bobby Seal actually joined RAM for

637
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: a while but he developed basic the same frustrations that

638
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: Hughie did with them, and he wrote about it in

639
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: his autobiography quote, I got very frustrated with those cats.

640
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: I didn't think they were going to do anything, and

641
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: I became very discouraged about being able to work with them.

642
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: They had a lot of paranoid hangups, and they began

643
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: to accuse me of things. They had so many bull

644
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: crap suspicions. I couldn't deal with them, and I broke

645
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: loose from those cats. I got mad at them one

646
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: night and busted down their door. All of them hid

647
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: behind their damn beds. At that point, I couldn't deal

648
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: with them anymore because they wouldn't defend themselves even against

649
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: one little old me. There were four or five of

650
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: them in the pad, but they ran hiding. I just

651
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: didn't respect them anymore. I was thinking to myself later,

652
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: for these dudes, I'm going to find myself a righteous

653
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: partner to righteously run with. See this is terrible, but

654
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: I as right as that is, and as serious as

655
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: this moment is, I only hear that in like my

656
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 1: dad's friends voices, just like man, I was looking for

657
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: some righteous dudes you know. Yeah, man, these cats they

658
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: weren't even back to revolution. Yeah. Like I said, I'm Dad.

659
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: I would say it. He's like, man, I just need

660
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: to look for dudes I can run. Would be real bad,

661
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: Like all right, Yeah, my dad still talks like that,

662
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: Like what does that mean? Pop? Put that on plane

663
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: and split it Jack? Like what what what does that mean? Dad? Anyway,

664
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: the whole his whole lot of biograph, he's written that way,

665
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: and it's part of way. I really enjoy it because

666
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: it's not something I had much exposure to UM, and

667
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: I enjoy that sort of like the language he uses,

668
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: I like it a lot. Yeah, there's almost poetic cadence

669
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: to it. Yes, yes. Uh So. The partner that Bobby

670
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: Seal wound up finding was Hughey P. Newton. Now, the

671
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: two had known each other for a while and they'd

672
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: always gotten along, but they drifted politically and slightly different

673
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: activist circles UM. But now after the Watts Riots, they

674
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: decided to create a new organization together, the Soul Students

675
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: Advisory Council, and they were the only people who created it,

676
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: but they were two of the founding members UM. Now

677
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: they organized protests against the draft for black students um

678
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: because they felt it like without sort of being treated equally,

679
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't be expected to fight for the country

680
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: without consenting to in the same way. And they also

681
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: worked to have black studies courses added to Merit college curriculum,

682
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: and in this last one they were successful. He we

683
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: suggested the group should next get involved in fighting police brutality,

684
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: But before this project could really get off the ground,

685
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: Huey and Bobby wound up running straight into some police

686
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: brutality of their own. On Thursday, March seventeenth, nineteen sixty six,

687
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: and around nine pm, Bobby and hue and their friend

688
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: Weasel were hanging out in Berkeley, walking to the University

689
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: of California campus. Bobby was reciting an anti war poem

690
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: he liked. Uncle Sammy called me fulla lucifer. They drew

691
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: a small crowd to themselves, who urged Bobby to recite

692
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: it more loudly, and a police officer arrived right as

693
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: Bobby sang out these lines, You school my naive heart

694
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: to sing red white and blue stars and stripes songs.

695
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: You school my native heart to sing red, white and

696
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: blue stars and stripes songs, and to pledge eternal allegiance

697
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: to all things blue, true blue eyed, blonde, blonde haired, white,

698
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: chalk white skin with USA tattooed all over, and the officer,

699
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: an off duty cop named George Williamson, tried to arrest

700
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: Bobby Um for this. His justification was that Bobby had

701
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: been blocking the street. This caused a fistfight, which brought

702
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: in more cops, which led to both Bobby and Huie

703
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: being arrested. So from poetry, yaw, yeah, alright, artists write

704
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: the poems. It's it's interesting like that. It says a lot, yeah,

705
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: about the power of poetry that like this scares a

706
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: cop enough that he has to on his off hours,

707
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: he has to get involve more country God darted. Yeah

708
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: what yeah? Uh so next, According to the book Black

709
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: Against Empire quote, a few weeks later, Newton and Seal

710
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: saw a policeman pushing around a black man for no

711
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: apparent reason. The officer arrested the man and took him

712
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: to the station. Following Mark Comfort's example, Newton and Seal

713
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: went to the station and bailed the man out using

714
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: money from their organization's treasury. The brothers started to cry

715
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: and it touched Bobby deeply. Bobby was fed up with

716
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: armchair intellectualizing and wanted to stand up against the police,

717
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: recalling I was filled with a staunch belief of the

718
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: need for brotherhood and revolution and rebellion against the racist system.

719
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: So it was Hughie who first suggested that the s

720
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: s a C Members should arm themselves with rifles and

721
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: shotguns and host an armed rally for Malcolm X's birthday.

722
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: The guns were explicitly to honor Malcolm X's call for

723
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: black people to engage in armed self defense. Um and uh.

724
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: Bobby Seal would write in his autobiography quote who he

725
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: was running Down, that the law says every man has

726
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: the right to arm himself by the Second Amendment of

727
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: the Jyvass Constitution of the United States. He says that

728
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: we are going to exhaust that because in the end

729
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: the man will say, we don't have a second Amendment

730
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: of the Constitution. So Hue saying that, like, we should

731
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: arm ourselves in protest because we have the right to

732
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: do that, but also they're going to strip us of

733
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: our right to carry guns once we start doing it.

734
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: History like and it's that brilliant, Like, um, I know

735
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: the word is so it's such a pregnant word. But

736
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: just like the co opting of language that you you

737
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: same thing Frederick Douglas did with this like fourth of

738
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: July speech of like, he homie, you said, you built

739
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: this thing for liberty and freedom, and this ain't my celebration.

740
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. You know know what

741
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He was like, these are your words. You

742
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: said that film that I started this nation because it is.

743
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, okay, that's those are your words.

744
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: You said all men were created equal. That's what you said.

745
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And then right here you

746
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: said every man has the right to bear arms. That's

747
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: what you said in my I mean, what am I

748
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: a martian? Like I have a right to bear arms? Yeah?

749
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And he we uh thought that the presence

750
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,479
Speaker 1: of firearms would also help to draw in the people

751
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: he called the brothers on the block um more than

752
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, waving protest signs and placards, because a lot

753
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: of those guys were involved with like different like gangs

754
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: and stuff, and they understood guns, and you know, they

755
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: weren't political theorizers. And he was like, this is something

756
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: that I think I can get them on board with UM.

757
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: The other members of the s s a C thought

758
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: this was too risky. Bobby Seal was the only person

759
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: who backed Huey's plan UM, so he and Huey quit

760
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: the s a C And formed a new organization, the

761
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: Black Panther Party for Self Defense in October of nineteen

762
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: sixty six. And during his studies WHO he had done

763
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: research into the state of California's laws, and he'd learned

764
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: that it was actually legal for Californians to openly carry

765
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: firearms in public, even loaded ones, provided those weapons were

766
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: not pointed at anyone in a threatening manner. And it's

767
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: interesting when you read modern stories about this by like

768
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: mainstream news sources like the Chicago Tribune, they always say

769
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: it was a loophole in the law. It's not a loophole.

770
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: It was just legal law. It was just the law.

771
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: He didn't find a loophole. This is the law. Was

772
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: the law. This is me putting my hands up as

773
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: if I'm holding an actual paper. That's the law. Now.

774
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: This was not entirely Hughey's idea. He'd also read about

775
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: the actions of a group called the Community Alert Patrol

776
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: or CAP over in the Watts neighborhood of Los Angeles.

777
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: After the Uprising, cap had been formed to watch police

778
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: in black neighborhoods, and capps efforts were incredibly important, but

779
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: their activists were often victimized and abused by the l

780
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: a p D. And some of them had started talking

781
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: about carrying guns during their patrols. So as the Black

782
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: Panthers came together, Hughey's plan evolved. He decided that the

783
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: Panthers would organize armed patrols to follow police officers around

784
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: and observe them during traffic stops. The new Black Panthers

785
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: started doing just this. In February of nineteen sixty seven,

786
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: a group of them, including Newton and Seal, were stopped

787
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: in a car loaded down with rifles and handguns. And

788
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to quote now from a great article in

789
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: The Atlantic titled The Secret History of Guns. Quote. When

790
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: one officer asked to see the guns, Newton refused, I

791
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: don't have to give you anything but my identification, name

792
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: and address. He insisted this too, he had learned in

793
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: law school. Who the hell do you think you are?

794
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: An officer responded, Who in the hell do you think

795
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: you are? Newton replied, indignantly, he told the officer that

796
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: he and his friends had a legal right to have

797
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: their firearms. Newton got out of the car, still holding

798
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: his rifle. What are you going to do with that gun,

799
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: asked one of the stunt policemen. What are you going

800
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: to do with your gun? Newton applied. By this time,

801
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: the scene had drawn a crowd of onlookers. An officer

802
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: told the bystanders to move on, but Newton shouted at

803
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: them to stay. California law, he yelled, gave civilians a

804
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: right to observe a police officer making an arrest, so

805
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: long as they didn't interfere. Newton played it up for

806
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: the crowd in a loud voice. He told the police officers,

807
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: if you try to shoot at me, or if you

808
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: try to take this gun, I'm going to shoot back

809
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: at you, swine, which is the balls on him. Y'all

810
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: wonder why that man on everybody's T shirts talk about

811
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: him all the time, goddamn right, because it's like, I mean,

812
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: like straight up, I mean it's it's I love that

813
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: you're painting the picture of like the totality of the

814
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: cultural moment. A lot of times we see history is

815
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: like these like single file line events that aren't like interact,

816
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: like you're all living the same moment just like now,

817
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he put all those

818
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: moments together like nothing. I mean, I grew up in

819
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: I'm l A in the eighties and nineties. I'm like,

820
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: you won't talk to police like that, you know I'm saying, right,

821
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: you feel me? Like this week, you know the streets,

822
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: we was a gang injunctions, like you'll talk to police

823
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: like that, you know. So just seeing that type but

824
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: like these are my right, tell me, like, it's just amazing.

825
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a tall white guy, so I have

826
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: a certain degree of police shield and I would be

827
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: terrified of talking about police like that. Crazy. Yeah, so

828
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: fucking incredibly, Huey, Bobby and their comrades were allowed to

829
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: continue on without arrest because they hadn't broken the law. Um.

830
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: The whole event left everyone in the car and all

831
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: of the onlookers who had gathered to watch the altercation stunned,

832
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: as we're stunned just talking about it today. Um, it's

833
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: it's just hard to imagine even this happening without bloodshed. Um. Yeah,

834
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: So the whole event made Bobby Seal decide that Huey P.

835
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: Newton was, in his words, the baddest motherfucker in the world.

836
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: It convinced Huey of something important too. The gun is

837
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: where it's at and about in Yeah. So uh. This

838
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: spreads through the community like wildfire, and young men begin

839
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: joining the Black Panthers in droves. They're armed. Patrols of

840
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: the police become a regular thing. Um. And you know,

841
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: they have a lot of strict rules about this. You're

842
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: never supposed to be closer than ten feet to the

843
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: officer or the person being stopped. You have law books

844
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: on you at the time. You're quoting directly from them.

845
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: Like they're not just like like there to intimidate the police.

846
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: They're there to give information on rights to the person

847
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: being stopped. Um. Yeah, and so yeah, whenever a black

848
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: person was stopped by the police, observing Panthers would both

849
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: be an armed presence there and would be providing legal advice. Um.

850
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: And as their notoriety spread, so too did the Black

851
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: Panthers UM all across the country. UM and firearms were

852
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: a central facet of their identity. From the beginning, new

853
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: recruits were taught the gun is the only thing that

854
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: will free us. The group purchased rifles by selling copies

855
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: of Mousey Dung's Little Red Book to students in Berkeley.

856
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: Over the years, their arsenal grew to include machine guns

857
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: as well as tens of thousands of unds of ammunition.

858
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: New recruits received training on black nationalism, socialism, and how

859
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: to clean and handle and use firearms. It's also worth

860
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: noting during this period that we talk in my audiobook

861
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 1: The War and Everyone, we talked a bit about how

862
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: KKK groups, white supremacist groups are easily able to buy

863
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: and smuggle machine guns and other military grade weaponry from

864
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: the army from like racists in the army at this point,

865
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: and the Black Panthers do the same thing from black

866
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: people in the army, Like they're getting machine guns and

867
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: weaponry directly from the military. If I shouldn't share, I

868
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't share this, but I'm going to all trillion

869
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: of your followers. But like I just found this out

870
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving, that like my uncle Charles was like doing that,

871
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: Like he was like he was like selling. First of all,

872
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: he was, like he said, he was selling, like he

873
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: was selling like engine parts in like Munich when he

874
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: was hit. He just like to like civilions, like just

875
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: sell it parts. You're just like selling selling guns out

876
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: of San Francisco, like Uncle Charles. It's like I was

877
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: like what He's like, Yeah, he discharge because he was

878
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: selling weapons. Sorry, sorry is listening? Uh? I mean, statute

879
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: is over. It's Um, it's a situation where there's there's

880
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: a lot going on here. But both the panthers in

881
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: the KKK, not that there's any moral equivalency between the groups,

882
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: but they both suspect that a massive civil war is coming.

883
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: Either it's going to break out or the bombs are

884
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: going to fall in the wake of the nuclear apocalypse,

885
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: there's going to be fighting between um, you know, like

886
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: racists and non racists or black and white, depending on

887
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: your your perspective. Um. And so there's this belief that,

888
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: like we are arming ourselves for a war of survival, um.

889
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: And considering there are thousands of heavily armed racist people

890
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: like Louis Beam who are specifically talking about wars waging

891
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: award extermination against America's blacks, like that's not an unreasonable

892
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: thing to one arm yourself against. And now, yeah, that's

893
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: the part that like I really wish people could like

894
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: understand like the tone and ire of the moment, that

895
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: this stuff is not imaginary, Like this is with like

896
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: elected officials you know in certain states or just people

897
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: like him are just like, no, our plan is to

898
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: wipe y'all out. Yeah do you said? Yeah? Oh, you're

899
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: not You're not like you're not like ambiguously racist. You're

900
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: not like kind of Nazi light you know what I'm saying.

901
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: It's like, nah, now we try to wipe y'all out. Yeah,

902
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: and you It's like, this is something I come to

903
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: a lot in the modern day. It's like, you can

904
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: your opinions on gun control. Um, there's a lot of

905
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: different attitudes on that. I will listen to them, but

906
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: I can tell you from experience talking to a lot

907
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: of people in a lot of parts of the world,

908
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: when someone wants to exterminate you, there's nothing you'd rather

909
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: have in your hands asolutely, absolutely as again, like for

910
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: like the the invention of the modern day I say

911
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: modern with quotes as a historian of crip and blood,

912
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: like the invention of the street gang is specifically growing

913
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: up in Los Angeles put such a different taste in

914
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: your mouth about guns. You know what I'm saying. So

915
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, so, like it's hard for me

916
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: to like, you have my father, that's like, no, you're

917
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Your civil rights? Man? These

918
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: people finda you know what I'm saying, it's like, look,

919
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: look white, you're gonna come get you, you you know what

920
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then and then you got the streets

921
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: where that's like, if you pull a gun out, then

922
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: that means that, like, yo, I'm not a civilian. Like

923
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: so when somebody stops you and it's like, hey, where

924
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: you from. You know, I'm saying, if I got a

925
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: weapon on me, it's like, oh, oh, you signed up

926
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: for this gang life, you know. But if you don't

927
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: have one, it's like, man, look I'm a square. I'm

928
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: on my way at basketball practice. You know. So with

929
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: that sort of like juxtaposition, it's sometimes it's hard for

930
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: myself to get my brain around it, you know what

931
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But at the same time, if knowing again

932
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: the context that these people are living in Syria, Mazul,

933
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, these people who live

934
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: in these contexts, it's like, no, this is not an option.

935
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: And it is also yeah, yeah, it's also like the

936
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: difference between just individual self defense and this idea which

937
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of you know, flaws behind a lot

938
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: of the thinking that occurs in the United States on

939
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: this this subject. You can say statistically like actually, you're

940
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: more likely to be harmed if you have a gun

941
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: in the home. The difference between that individual self defense

942
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: and collective self defense, which is yeah, um, too deep

943
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: a subject to really delve into, very while we're trying

944
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: to delve into the Panthers. But you know what's not

945
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: too deep a subject to delve into? Right now? Here

946
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: we go? What is products? I'm gonna set it, I'm

947
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: gonna do, I'm gonna do the best set up? What

948
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: is that Robert product? Uh? And a service which which

949
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: I think we can explain in the context of this episode.

950
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 1: Off we go. We're back, all right. Um, So, as

951
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: we before, we had our little disgression about community self defense.

952
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: We were talking about the Black Panthers start their civilian

953
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: patrols of the police, armed patrols of the police, um,

954
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: which are very popular, um and very revolutionary. And of

955
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: course the man as embodied by the Republican Party and

956
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: the governor of the state of California and Ronald Reagan

957
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: was not in any fucking way about to let a

958
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: bunch of black men exercise their right to bear arms

959
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: and legally observed the police. And I shouldn't just say

960
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: black men, because there were black women involved at this

961
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: point too. Of the black panther party was really the

962
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: ladies because they locked up, autom or killed us. Yeah

963
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, yeah so yeah. Like the the the

964
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: white Republicans, particularly who governed the state, although it's not

965
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: like the white Democrats in the state provided in the

966
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: opposition to this um decide that action needs to be

967
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: taken um. And the guy to do this was a

968
00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: ship heel named Don Mulford. A ship heel. I love it.

969
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you guys, this is another digression. I

970
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: feel like, I don't know, nobody cusses more poetically than

971
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: black people are old black man. Nobody cuss is more

972
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: poetic than him. But the most creative and innovative things

973
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 1: to call someone come out of the mouth of middle

974
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: aged white man. I just don't know anyone that's just

975
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: fucked hard, like I'm telling you, man, shit stick, like

976
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: what yes, yeah, touchet man. I see, that's why that

977
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: This is why intersectionality is so important. You used to

978
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: learn the best way to cuss. Oh, multiculturalism really improves

979
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: the use of obscenities. It's critical, yes, um so uh yeah.

980
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: Don Don Mulford. Mulford was the community assemblyman for Oakland,

981
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: and in April of nineteen sixty seven, he proposed the

982
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: Mulford Act, a build that would strip Californians of their

983
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: right to carry firearms in public. The Mulford Act was

984
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: a pure act of legal targeting against the black panthers.

985
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote again from that Atlantic article. Quote. Republicans

986
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: in California eagerly supported increased gun control. Governor Reagan told

987
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: reporters that afternoon that he saw no reason why on

988
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.

989
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: He called guns a ridiculous way to solve problems that

990
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: have to be solved among people of goodwill. Doesn't read

991
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: that the Republicans now tell that to a cop, right, So,

992
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: I mean that's so funny to me. I'm just like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

993
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: not even thirty years ago, not even thirty years ago,

994
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: thirty four years ago. You're saying literally the opposite of

995
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: what you're saying right now, yeah, yeah. In a In

996
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: a later press conference, Reagan says he he doesn't know

997
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: of any sportsman who leaves his home with a gun

998
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: to go out into the field or to hunter for

999
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: target shooting who carries that gun loaded. Uh. And he

1000
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: says the Mulford Act should work no hardship upon the

1001
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: honest citizen. And of course the n r A completely

1002
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: backs the Mulford Act. No problem with it at all. All,

1003
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: all on board this ship. Appreciate that. I appreciate you.

1004
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: Take a second to appreciate that. Somebody dropped some like

1005
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: some like spa music right now to appreciate the n

1006
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: I was for gun control, to make sure you can't

1007
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: carry a loaded weapon. I don't know. I just thought,

1008
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: like where you go get the thing is? You know

1009
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. That's the best part, exactly what

1010
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: Hughie Hughey's furious about this, but he's not surprised. As

1011
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: I read that quote from him earlier, he'd immediately predicted

1012
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: this is going to happen once we start doing this. Um.

1013
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: But he carries out a protest. He organizes a group

1014
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: of panthers armed to the gills to go march on

1015
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: the Capitol Building in Sacramento. Twenty four men and six

1016
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: women showed up, led by Bobby Seal. They walked up

1017
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: the capital steps guns in hand, and Bobby read a

1018
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: speech quote, The American people in general, and the Black

1019
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: people in particular, must take careful note of the racist

1020
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: California legislature aimed at keeping black people disarmed and powerless.

1021
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: Black people have begged, prayed, petition, demonstrated, and everything else

1022
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: to get the racist power structure of America to right

1023
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: the wrongs which have historically been perpetrated against black people.

1024
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: The time has come for black people to arm themselves

1025
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: against this terror before it is too late. M After this,

1026
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: Seal and the others went inside the building bearing loaded

1027
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: firearms the Capitol Building. UM. And they were allowed to

1028
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: do this because they were abiding by the law entirely

1029
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: in the day proceeded peacefully. UM. And before we move on,

1030
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: I think it's worth dedicating a little bit of time

1031
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: to how the mainstream media covered all this, and the

1032
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: short of it is they were not fans of the panthers. Um.

1033
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: The New York Times is coverage of the event which

1034
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: I can only read in my old timey white man

1035
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: voice om Negros protest gun bill Sorry response to that? Yeah,

1036
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: um and now I did find in some credit to

1037
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: the New York Times a modern day New York Times

1038
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: article that quotes Jane Rhodes, which is a very like

1039
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: admitting like, we fucked up and we're very unfair in

1040
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: our coverage. Um. And it quotes Jane Rhodes, a professor

1041
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: of African American studies, as saying the newspaper was dubious

1042
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: and skeptical of them. It also gave them a tremendous

1043
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: amount of coverage. The media, like most of white America,

1044
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: was deeply frightened by their aggressive and assertive style of protest,

1045
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: and they were offended by it. And that October two

1046
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen Times article I found analyzing this by Giovanni Rossinello,

1047
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: it leans into acknowledging how unfair the coverage was, and

1048
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: he writes about the Times his first articles on the

1049
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: Black Panthers. What the article did not explicitly say, though

1050
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: it was reported later by others, was that the Panthers

1051
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 1: had read a statement that afternoon calling upon the American

1052
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: people in general, not just African Americans, to help them

1053
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: in their push for rights. The Time sent its own

1054
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: reporter a few days later to write a profile of Mr. Newton,

1055
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: the party's young co founder. That article was no more

1056
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: measured than the first. It barely mentioned police brutality, instead

1057
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: lavishing attention on the fact that the Panthers had weapons.

1058
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: Political power comes through the barrel of a gun. Newton

1059
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: was quoted as saying, so, the journalists who cover this

1060
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: ignore police brutality, ignore that, Like, there's a self defense

1061
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: narrative here. What do you expect us to do when

1062
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: we're being shot. That's one of our rights. Our nations

1063
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: founded on the idea that that human beings can arm

1064
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: themselves in self defense. That's what we're doing. They ignore

1065
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: that necessarily. Look at these black men carrying god, oh

1066
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah. Um so. On July, the racist California

1067
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 1: legislature passed the Mulford Act with the n r as

1068
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: enthusiastic approval, and Governor Ronald Reagan signed it in the law,

1069
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: so the Black Panthers were thwarted, at least in the

1070
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: state of California, from carrying out armed patrols any longer,

1071
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: but the organization continued to grow, spreading across the country

1072
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: and drawing in thousands upon thousands of members, and as

1073
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: the group grew, Huey and Bobby and the other leaders

1074
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: expanded the sort of things the Black Panthers did. It

1075
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: was not enough to just advocate armed protests in police patrols.

1076
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: They needed to mobilize their community and that they felt

1077
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: meant helping their community. In the early years, the Black

1078
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: Panthers developed a concept they called revolutionary intercommunalism, which is

1079
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: something I really think the modern day left needs to

1080
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: get it ship together. Oh my god, if you do it,

1081
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: yes um PBS describes this as the strategy of building

1082
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: community service programs or survival programs. Programs meant to develop

1083
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: positive institutions within the community to help individuals meet their needs.

1084
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: The Panthers developed over sixties such community programs. Now, these

1085
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: community survival programs ranged from the People's Freeshoe and Clothing Program,

1086
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: to the Free Plumbing and Maintenance Program, to the Free

1087
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: Pest Control Program, to the Sickle Cell Anemia Research Foundation

1088
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: and the People's Free Ambulance Service. Well, the news breathlessly

1089
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: covered the Panthers armed marches and their confrontations with police,

1090
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: they ignored most of these other programs. One member later,

1091
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: a guy named Roger Smith said this. You don't read

1092
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: about the survival programs we're doing for the people. The

1093
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: free children's breakfast program, trying to feed some of these

1094
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: hungry kids before they go off to school in the morning.

1095
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: The educational programs we had going on for these kids,

1096
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: for the older folks as well. You don't read about that.

1097
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: The shoe giveaway, the clothing giveaway, the code giveaway we

1098
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: had going on back East so these people don't freeze

1099
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: to death during the winter months. The free prison bussing

1100
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: program where we bust people from the community out to

1101
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: the prison the penitentiary so the people can visit their

1102
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: loved ones who are incarcerated. You don't read about that.

1103
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: You don't read about the free ambulance service that we

1104
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: had going on in Winston Salem, North Carolina, because black

1105
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: people in Winston Salem, Carolina were denied basic emergency healthcare.

1106
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: You don't read about that. You don't read about the

1107
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: free sickle cell anemia testing program, where we tested over

1108
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand, half a million people before the US

1109
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: government ever realized that sickle cell anemia was a threat

1110
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: to the well being of black people in America. You

1111
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: don't read about that. Why because there's no sensationalism, There

1112
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: no dramatic value. It doesn't sell newspapers, it doesn't boost

1113
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: the television ratings. It's just some black people getting organized

1114
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: to help some other black people. Yeah, that's so, that's

1115
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: the panthers, I know. Yeah, you know the like which

1116
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: I mentioned at the top of the show, that's what

1117
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: my father was part of the after school tutor program.

1118
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: So like I just know them as people that fed

1119
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: us in the morning. I mean obviously not us because

1120
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't around them, but like fed kids in the morning,

1121
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: helped him with their homework after school. And the attitude

1122
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: even to this day was like you can't look out,

1123
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: you can't look for a handout from your oppressor. Like

1124
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: these people ain't gonna help you, you know what I'm saying,

1125
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: Like why would you take their money, why would you

1126
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: take their services? Because they they they are you're oppressor.

1127
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: Therees don't make no sense, you know what I'm saying.

1128
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: So like that was his that was always his attitude

1129
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: was like, man, find it on your own, Like, man,

1130
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: you don't don't look uk owe these people not to

1131
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: find it on take care of your own. That was

1132
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: always an attitude. Yeah yeah, yeah, that makes a ton

1133
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: of sense. Um, there's still sorry, but there's there's a

1134
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: few still like like leftover things where just generationally speaking,

1135
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: there's like we still have a generational like like gap,

1136
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: Like you know, when when I started doing music full time,

1137
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: like the label I was a part of was like

1138
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: one of my best friends and you know he's white dude, right,

1139
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: so my dad still had this like I like, I

1140
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: like that boy, but you know, you you you got

1141
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: you gotta watched them white men. Now you know. I

1142
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: was like, okay, pop, Okay, I mean I get it

1143
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: with like I mean it's for instance, high school man,

1144
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like I think we're good,

1145
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, but but still like he still has a

1146
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: little bit of that. I mean he's definitely not the

1147
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: same man he was, but he still has that like

1148
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: how do you know you gotta you gotta you gotta

1149
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: watch them you know what I'm saying that, and they

1150
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: don't they really take care of you, you know. I

1151
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: mean it's it's not unfair. Yeah, yeah, not unreasonable considering

1152
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: like yeah, the time and place and experiences he had,

1153
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: you know. Um, and uh, I do think like you

1154
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: have to open the story of the Black Panthers by

1155
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: talking about armed self defense. The past controls the guns,

1156
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: because that is how it it really started. But I

1157
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: do think even a lot of like people on the

1158
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: left who admire, like particularly white people left to admire

1159
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: the Panthers, they focus a lot on that part because

1160
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: it is again the most and and not enough on

1161
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: what really is the most revolutionary part of the Panthers,

1162
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: which is the survival program. Yeah, the the I don't

1163
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: know if the book got into it that or maybe

1164
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: we'll get to it later, but just the actual like

1165
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: provable success rate, you know what I mean of, like

1166
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: the provable results like this actually worked. I mean blood

1167
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: testing half a million Black people for sickle cell anemia,

1168
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: like before the government realizes it's a problem for black

1169
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: Like that's huge. That's an enormous effort. That's like a

1170
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: state level effort that is is all community volunteer driven.

1171
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: It's amazing now by some accounts, the most influential of

1172
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: the survival programs was the Free Breakfast for Children program.

1173
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: While students were guaranteed a free lunch was part of

1174
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: their public education. In nineteen sixty seven, the US government

1175
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: spent only six dollars a year on breakfast for students.

1176
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: The Black Panthers saw this whole the social safety net

1177
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: and realized it was harming Black children more than any

1178
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: other group in the country, and so they took action

1179
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: to fix this. Now, the communities in which they provided

1180
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: free breakfast for children were not all instantly on board.

1181
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: The Black Panthers were a revolutionary organization famous for confronting

1182
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: police with firearms. People like Minister Bridges of the St.

1183
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: Augustine Church in Oakland were initially suspicious when the group

1184
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: asked to start meeting and distributing breakfast there, but gradually

1185
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: the Panthers won them over and the community rallied to

1186
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: provide them with donations of grits, eggs, toast, and milk

1187
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: to feed hungry school children. Much of the food was

1188
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: donated by local businesses from a mix of ultruism and

1189
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: fear of social reprisals by the Black Panthers, and I'm

1190
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna quote from Black Against Empire again. At times the

1191
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: Panthers cajoling blended into harassment and strong arming. Far more

1192
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: common were boycotts and pickets of businesses that refused to

1193
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: assist the programs equally common with the tactic of calling

1194
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: out or publicly shaming those who refused to help. Churches

1195
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: and other community based organizations that refused to help, notably

1196
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: those who refused to sponsor or allow breakfast programs on

1197
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: their premises, face similar treatment for starters. The Panther newsletter

1198
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: and Panther representative railed against the non supportive business person

1199
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: or community leader as a capitalist pig. Other epithets included

1200
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: religious hypocrites, lying creatures and merchants, and avaricious businessmen. Dang

1201
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: cancel cultured since yeah sixties, canceling fools. I mean, you

1202
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: know it's I think that's perfectly fair, um, because the

1203
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: ultimate goal here is to get kids food, and you've

1204
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: got you've got plenty of extra food, Like why are

1205
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: these kids starving in the morning, and then you're probably

1206
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: complaining about them staying kid, yeah, you know, running your streets.

1207
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: It's like, well, they're hungry and you can fix that. Yeah. Yeah. Now,

1208
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: the free breakfast program itself was a mix of pure altruism,

1209
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: poor kids needing good food, and also clever propaganda. The

1210
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: program highlighted the fact that the richest nation on Earth

1211
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: then waging a brutal and expensive war in Vietnam could

1212
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: not provide a simple breakfast for all of its children.

1213
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: The leadership of the Panthers, who suspected or outright hoped

1214
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: in some cases that they might one day wind up

1215
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: in an armed revolutionary struggle with the US government, new

1216
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,479
Speaker 1: there was a tactical benefit in winning hearts and minds

1217
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: this way. One of them noted, well, we might not

1218
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: need their direct assistance in waging armed revolution. We were

1219
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: hedging our bets that if we did, they would respond

1220
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: more favorably to a group of people looking out for

1221
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: their children's welfare. Yeah. Yeah. Uh. In November nineteen sixty nine,

1222
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: the Black Panthers announced that their program had spread to

1223
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: twenty three cities and distributed free breakfast to more than

1224
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: twenty children. That number wound up being more like fifty

1225
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: thou in minimum um. The law took notice. In Baltimore,

1226
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: the police called this program a front for indoctrinating children

1227
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: with Panther propaganda. They responded as only law enforcement came.

1228
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: And I'm going to quote again from Black Against Empire.

1229
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: Police and federal agents regularly harassed and intimidated program participants,

1230
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: supporters and party workers and sought to scare away donors

1231
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: and organizations that housed the programs, like churches and community centers.

1232
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: Sophia Abukari's discovered that participation in one of the Harlem

1233
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: free breakfast programs fell off after the police spread a

1234
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: false rumor among black parents that the children were being

1235
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: fed poisoned food. Police disinformation campaign in Richmond, California suggested

1236
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: that the Party used free Breakfast for Children program to

1237
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: spread racism and foment school riots. Student participation began to decline,

1238
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: forcing local Panther leaders to combat the official disinformation. The

1239
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: police were not above raiding breakfast look program locations even

1240
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: while the children were eating. In The Baltimore Panther branch

1241
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: was comparatively small, but as Judson L. Jeffrey's demonstrates, the

1242
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: branch and dirt an excessive amount of violent repression, and

1243
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: not even children were spared harassment by the police. One morning,

1244
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: the Baltimore police disrupted the children's breakfast, barging menacingly onto

1245
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: the premise. A witness recalled they walked around with their

1246
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: guns drawn and looked real mean. The children felt terrorized

1247
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: by the police. The police were like gangsters and thugs.

1248
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: Day yeah, just getting breakfast, homie, just trying to feed

1249
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: kidst breakfast. Yeah a while now. Yeah. Eventually the state

1250
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,919
Speaker 1: decided that the danger of this propaganda of the deed,

1251
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: as I think Bacunan would have called it, was so

1252
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: great that the only reasonable response was to start providing

1253
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: American children with free breakfasts. By nineteen seventy two, the

1254
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: US government free breakfast program had reached more than one

1255
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: point one eight million children. The massive upswing and funding

1256
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: for this program proceeded directly from Panther activism. Normamat, a

1257
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: former Panther, said this in an interview with eater dot com.

1258
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: I really do believe that the government expanded their program

1259
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: because of the work we were doing. I don't think

1260
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: the government wanted to be outdone by a community based organization,

1261
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: especially the Panthers. I really think we were very instrumental

1262
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: in school food programming. Yo, I'm positive positive that's what happened. Yeah, yeah,

1263
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: hey man, what do we It's like, hey, hey guys,

1264
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: are these at these are these poor three fists of

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Speaker 1: a humans? People out humanizing us? Like what do we

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Speaker 1: what do we do it? What are we doing? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's remarkable the amount of fear that was

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Speaker 1: generated by the Panther Breakfast program, and in some cases

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Speaker 1: it was more than the fear they had as a

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Speaker 1: result of the armed confrontations by the Panthers. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: sizeable evidence of this putting ideas in their brains and

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Speaker 1: getting in the old skull alister thinking they don't need

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Speaker 1: the government at all, saying yeah, we shouldn't have navigated more.

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Speaker 1: On nineteen sixty nine, j Edgar Hoover, director of the

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Speaker 1: FBI and gigantic piece of Ship, wrote this in a memo.

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Speaker 1: One of our primary aims and counterintelligence as it concerns

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Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party is to keep this group isolated

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Speaker 1: from the moderate black and white community which may support it.

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Speaker 1: This is most emphatically pointed out in their Breakfast for

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Speaker 1: Children program, where they are actively soliciting and receiving support

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Speaker 1: from uninformed whites and moderate blacks. So yeah, I like

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Speaker 1: they immediately assume they're uninformed. Yeah, it's like, oh, you

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Speaker 1: must not know. It's like not, I know, I know

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. Yeah, I know what they're doing. They're

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Speaker 1: feeding our kids, feeding the kids. It's just it's just

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Speaker 1: feed the kids. Well, you know they're socialists. Well, if

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Speaker 1: socialists means means socialism means my kid doesn't start, maybe

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Speaker 1: I like socialism. Here's the thing, here's the thing. I

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Speaker 1: can't pay for purkfast, and y'are not helping me get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you caught him. Whatever they want, You got whatever

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Speaker 1: you want. I'm gonna come and get some breakfast with

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Speaker 1: my children. But you know, it says a lot about

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01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: the state of the government, about the nature of capitalism,

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01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: about the nature of law enforcement that the free breakfast

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Speaker 1: program was one of the things that scared the FBI

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Speaker 1: director the most. Um. And in part two we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about j Edgar Hoover's plan uh in the

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Speaker 1: nationwide law enforcement campaign to take down the Black Panthers.

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Speaker 1: Made for you guys to learn this stuff. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: this is a behind the behind the Bastards episode. We're

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01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: not talking mostly about bastards in this one, but you

1302
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: need the set up to really understand how shitty the

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01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: bastards are. Yeah. So prop has been the end of

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Speaker 1: part one. Um, you want to drop a couple of

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Speaker 1: plugs at the end, and we will sail out until Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Oh my ad. Yeah. So website is prop hip Hop,

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Speaker 1: which is also all of my sort of social media

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Speaker 1: handles prop hip Hop. Um, that's for tour dates for

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Speaker 1: my own podcast again callhood Politics. I believe politics is

1310
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: just gang banging in nice suits. So we just kind

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01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: of like explain your headlines just in gang terms to

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Speaker 1: help you understand what's going on. Um and uh yeah

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I just hit me on the website and

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Speaker 1: the social medias prop hip Hop. And I'm sure folks

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Speaker 1: who are listening who are really knowledgeable of the Panthers

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01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: will notice there's some crucial stuff we left out from

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Speaker 1: this period we we haven't talked about. Um, some important

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Speaker 1: figures we haven't talked about, like the ten point program.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to a lot of that in part two.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of impossible to like do this all chronologically.

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Speaker 1: I just kind of had to set it up the

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Speaker 1: way it makes I was. I was prepared to before

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Speaker 1: you've asked to be on, So I was prepared to

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Speaker 1: have like mercy for you because it's such a big thing,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it's like, I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure there's other episodes where there were other people that

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Speaker 1: were like grossly well familiar with like whatever you're gonna

1328
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Speaker 1: talk about it. I just didn't know nothing about you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So like, like like the R

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Speaker 1: Kelly episode, I was like, you didn't grow up on

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01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: nineties R and B. You're not gonna know some deep

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Speaker 1: cut things that I know, like man cut the guys

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Speaker 1: some slack you know what I'm saying. Anyway, So I

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Speaker 1: was prepared to give you. So I'm telling I'll listen

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Speaker 1: to to man cut the some slack dag like you

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01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: have saying can't cover everything. Yeah, and we'll we'll get

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Speaker 1: to I think a lot of it, uh in part two. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know as much as as possible in eleven thousand

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01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: words and two hours and change. But that's gonna be

1340
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: on Thursday. You can find all the sources for this

1341
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: h on Behind the Bastards dot com. You can find

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01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at I right, okay, you can find

1343
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: this podcast on Twitter and the gram at at Bastards

1344
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: pod and that you can buy shirts on Team Public.

1345
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: And that's that's the damn episode. Um, We'll be back

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Speaker 1: with part two. Oh. I have another podcast that exists

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01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: on the internet called Worst Year Ever. And if you

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01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: want to learn about another community of people who have

1349
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: been ignored by law enforcement in the media, react, acting

1350
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: to violence, and using community self defense to protect themselves.

1351
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Speaker 1: We just did a two part episode UM on a

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01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: chlorine gas attack on a furry convention and everything that

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Speaker 1: resulted from that, So I was listening to it on

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Speaker 1: the way. That's really good. It's really good. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: really good. Plug. Yeah, it's it's it's really good. Is

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Speaker 1: my plug? Yes, it's really good. Double plug. Plug's good.

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Speaker 1: Now the episode is actually over.