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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks DJ Buck

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Speaker 1: on a very special occasion because if you don't know,

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Speaker 1: we have big college football weekend. Everybody knows. We've got

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame in Ohio State Buck, We've got Oregon, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: You've got some other big matchups. But for this podcast,

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Speaker 1: there's only one game this weekend, and that is the

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Speaker 1: North Carolina tar Heels traveling to Boone, North Carolina, to

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Speaker 1: take on the Appalachian State Mountaineers. It is now beneficially

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Speaker 1: dubbed to Move the Sticks Classic. Yeah, the move cis classic.

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Speaker 1: I'm a underdog tar Heels trying to figure out of

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Speaker 1: taking knock off the heavyweights up there in Boone. So

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Speaker 1: it's been a ton of fun. Um. The atmosphere has

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Speaker 1: anticipating what is to come over the course of the weekend.

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Speaker 1: And then I got some tar Heels that are excited

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Speaker 1: about traveling up to Boone, kind of seeing it in

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Speaker 1: a very raucous environment to see it's a little train

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Speaker 1: they could, the little mighty tar Heels if they can

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Speaker 1: go knock off you know, heavyweights, you know. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's at the home of Michael Jordan, the little engine

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Speaker 1: and get us going, you know, because we're facing insurmountable

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Speaker 1: odds this week. I'll tell you this is this This

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Speaker 1: this podcast to even if you're not a fan of

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Speaker 1: these two programs. I'm sure most of you aren't. Um,

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Speaker 1: don't turn this off because you're gonna get a chance

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Speaker 1: to to hear from a couple of coaches that are

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Speaker 1: that are real, first of all, great men, but great

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Speaker 1: guys to learn from. And not just talking about this game.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna touch on kind of the landscape of college

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Speaker 1: football and how that's changed and how to navigate those waters. Um,

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Speaker 1: we've done this when they played previously, Excited to be

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Speaker 1: able to do it again today where we have Mac Brown,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna come on and talk with us here in

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Speaker 1: who's kind of you know, he's he's got some some

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Speaker 1: two conversations with these two coaches, and then on the

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Speaker 1: here's our conversation with North Carolina head coach Mack Brown.

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Speaker 1: APP State head coach Sean Clark. It is always a

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Speaker 1: great day on the Movie six podcast when I have

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to bring in my former coach college football

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Speaker 1: How you doing, I'm doing, Thank you, So proud of

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Speaker 1: if Tatario's come out on top, we're gonna make sure

427
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 1: we send you something to put in your trophy case.

428
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 1: So the Move the Sticks Classic this weekend in Boom,

429
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna make sure that if Tatario's win that we're

430
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: gonna send that trophy. We can put that in the

431
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 1: trophy case. Like it, Bucky. I think it's important. We've

432
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 1: played Uh wait, we didn't beat anybody when you first

433
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 1: got here, so we had to start by beating somebody.

434
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: And we said, let's at least beat our neighbors. UH

435
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 1: so we we can, we can get so we started

436
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 1: the state championship at that time. And that's still important.

437
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 1: If you can't beat your neighbors and you're not gonna

438
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 1: be where you want to be, you can't get national

439
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: as you win the regional and and that's just part

440
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: of the deal. And and uh App State beat us

441
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,199
Speaker 1: three years ago, which I know you're probably aware of

442
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 1: because people probably throw it in your face in your

443
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 1: own business world. I got that without question. But I

444
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a great idea. We're seven and

445
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: three against the state teams. Uh We've beat and Get

446
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: three times. We've beating State twice, we've beaten Wake twice,

447
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: we lost a Wake, we lost the State, and we

448
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: lost to uh App State. Uh four points by State,

449
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: three points by app State, and six points by Wake

450
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: for us. So those games are important and and what

451
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: we've got to do is last year's team did not

452
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: play well on the road, and and good teams do

453
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: and average two bad teams don't. So I've told this team,

454
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be a good team, you gotta play

455
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: on the road. And you got too. Two of the

456
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: best FCS programs in the country, a group of five

457
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: programs in the country. Uh the next two weeks. They're

458
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: both really good. They're at the top of the game.

459
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: They can compete to get in in January. One bowls

460
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: um in January. Six games every year. UH Georgia State

461
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: next week's the best program they've ever had. Uh app

462
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: State is sixth in the country and number of wins

463
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: at home since two thousand fourteens when they went to

464
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: FBS and I sat there Daniel a long time with

465
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: with coach coach Moore talking about should they go from

466
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: FCS to FBS or not? And I didn't think so,

467
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: m hm, Coach More, and I really felt like, you're

468
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: winning national championships. Man, that's as good as it gets.

469
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: Keep it that way. But they've done an amazing job

470
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: by by going to the next level and competing and winning.

471
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: So obviously I was wrong and they were right when

472
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: they made that decision. Yeah, I was a little nervous

473
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: when they did it to coach because I was I

474
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: was enjoying, uh watching those national championships from Afar and

475
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: seeing what they were doing. Um, you know what I mean.

476
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: Just tell your guys. I mean, I don't know, maybe

477
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: we've got some bleachers up there, maybe a couple of

478
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: hundred fans at the game. You know, I don't know.

479
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: At least they'll see some pretty leaves and stuff. It'll

480
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: just be a very calm, uh, just laid back environment

481
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: for your guys going up there. So just tell them

482
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: be ready. It's not gonna be much energy in the building.

483
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: They might have to bring their own juice a little bit.

484
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: You know. It's not a very fired up town right now.

485
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: So I just say it's gonna sleeping incredibility now. The

486
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: only one opened his mouth, by the way, Georgia State

487
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: coached by coach by another one of my former coaches, uh,

488
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: coach Elliott. So that's uh, it's abstain everywhere well, and

489
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: he and Coach Clark, they both that they run a

490
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: lot of the same stuff. It's the same type mentality.

491
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: It's toughness, it's it's run the inside zone, the outside zone. Uh.

492
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: Played great defense and they're really well coached in the

493
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: kicking game. I'm so proud of the Appalachian fans too.

494
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: You know when we were there, they were good, and

495
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: we opened up beating Wake Forest our first game, and

496
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: then came home and played this team called James Madison

497
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: I've never heard of, and Gary Clark and Charles Hayley

498
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: end up being on that team. And it was Matt

499
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: Brown Day, Bucky after we beat Wait and we get

500
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: beat so Background Day died really quickly. But the the

501
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: app State atmosphere, the fans, uh, there is a lot

502
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: of talk about that this weekend. Good for them. It's

503
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: great for college football when fans can come and be

504
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 1: passionate and and make it a special game. And I

505
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: told our guys yesterday, if you didn't want to go

506
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: play it and big crowd, you shouldn't have come here.

507
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean, man, don't say, oh, they're gonna be loud.

508
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: Got a hole. It's a lot better than being empty.

509
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: It's not hard to get ready to play when they're full.

510
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 1: It's hard to get ready to play when you you

511
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: say hey and you hear the echo hey and b

512
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: get on Daniel. We've all been fun. You want to

513
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: go where it matters, and this game this weekend managed

514
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: to a lot of people. Coach, I gotta give you

515
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: this one that I let Bucky wrap it up. But

516
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: thinking about Coach Elliott when I was there, they did

517
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: a spring game and Coach Moore said, Okay, I'm gonna

518
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: let Sadderfield coach one team. I'm gonna let Elliott coach

519
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: the other. Now they both have gone on and her

520
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: head coaches. But I I I was with Sadderfield. I

521
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: believe on that one, and so they gave that. I

522
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 1: had the first pick, so it was me, and we're

523
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: gonna pick the rosters for the spring game. It's the

524
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: smartest decision I've ever made. Coach, I took our starting

525
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: center with the first pick. Uh, then they took you know,

526
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: one of our best receivers. I took our backup center

527
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: with the second pick. They couldn't get snapped the whole day.

528
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: It's the best roster management I've ever done. I love it.

529
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: I love it. Coach Elliott last year at the Georgia

530
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: State Game. I love that man's running around butting the

531
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 1: players whether helts and he's bleeding and I said, I'm

532
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: afraid to go down there and say hello. He's crazy.

533
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: In both cases with those Jerry Moore coaches, that coaching tree,

534
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: the players played so hard for them, and that's what

535
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: you want. You want you as a head coach, that

536
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: team's reflection of you. And and I've been proud of

537
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: some of the games we've played here, I haven't been

538
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: proud of the whole year yet. And and both Georgia

539
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: State and app State play hard every play of every game.

540
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: We've got to get there. That's the next step for us,

541
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: and and our guys know it, and and it it's coming. Um,

542
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: it's it's like when Bucky was around what he dirom

543
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: asking me when we we tied Georgia techer Georgia Tech

544
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: taught us Tim to tim and they won the national

545
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: championship and and uh what he said, are are we good?

546
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: And I said, not yet. We're gonna be. I don't

547
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: know when it's gonna be, but we're gonna be. And

548
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: and I all said the same thing here. I'm not

549
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: We're gonna be good. I'm not sure if it's this weekend,

550
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: but it's coming. We're big, we're pretty, and we're fast

551
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm seeing a lot of things growing toward

552
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: being a really good program again, and I'm excited about that.

553
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: What Coach, We're really excited and I appreciate you taking

554
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: the time uh to entertain us doing our little robbery

555
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: that we have here. The movies sticks, classic and better yet.

556
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see what you guys look like

557
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: this weekend. Thanks so much for joining the podcast. Coach.

558
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: Thanks Bucky Well, I spread over you last time because

559
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: you had to put up with him after we lost

560
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: the game. You know, there's a tremendous amount of restaurant

561
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: me but none more than trying to make your weekend good.

562
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: But I should have got the trophy when you first

563
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: got there, Coach. Now you've had time to build this

564
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: and now we get it's terrible timing. Terrible timing on

565
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: my part. That's great. Thanks, coach, you're the best man.

566
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Alright, Buck, we had a chance to

567
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: hear from your head coach, Mack Brown. It's time to

568
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: bring in my head coach, my former teammate, former left

569
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: tackle Seawan Clark, head coach at app State. Sean. How's

570
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: it going, man, It's going great. DJ just it's a

571
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: beautiful day in Boone's about seventy five degrees and sunshine

572
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: and so well from my afternoon walk, and it's packed

573
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: King Streets. You can't get through King Street and is

574
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: very packed right now. Alright, So Bucky, you know, Bucky

575
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 1: has been up the mountain. He knows a little bit

576
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: about what we're about up there. But can you give

577
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,239
Speaker 1: us a little bit of a scene set for all

578
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: our listeners everybody watching right here about kind of where

579
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: it was when we were there in the late nineties

580
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: in terms of and we drew well, but in terms

581
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: of what the expectation is just for a crowd standpoint,

582
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: environment standpoint as the tar Heels come up the hill

583
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: this weekend. Well again, they love you when you win

584
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: or tie and Boone, it's one of those deals now.

585
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: And yeah, when we played there was always expectations and

586
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: the expectation was when the conference would go to the playoffs,

587
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: and those expected expectations there for a long time since

588
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: coach Moore was here. And yeah, we've made a transition

589
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: from the FCS to FBS and uh we very successful

590
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: early on. Scott Satterfeld took us to multiple championships. Eli

591
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 1: Caiman and when we won twelve and you know, and

592
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: now it's either you win the conference and win a

593
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: bowl game or it's not good enough. And those are

594
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: great expectations. I think that's people say it's pressure, but

595
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: I think it's that's a good pressure. People the expectations

596
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: are gonna win. So we've been very fortunate at dug

597
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: Athletic director has given us everything we have had to

598
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: be successful. And uh, but it's it's a great place

599
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: to be right now. I mean, you can we can

600
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: win here and have a great quality of life. So

601
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: we're very proudaful what we made here. Well, that culture

602
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: has been established for a long time. When you take over,

603
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: how do you keep it going? Like, how do you

604
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: keep it going while still injecting some of your own

605
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: personality into the program. Well, I think it starts with recruiting.

606
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, we're not recruiting power five players.

607
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: It's hard for us to get Power five players. What

608
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: we do is we try to find players that love

609
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: football and players that want to get a world class

610
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: degree and play for championships. And in the recruiting process,

611
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: we just don't watch their highlight takes. I make her

612
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: head coach, the position coaches, recruiting coaches. You know, watch

613
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: the high that I want to watch two full games

614
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: to see. You know, how things how how do they

615
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: playing when things aren't going their way? Are they a

616
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: great teammate? Are they a great leader? And that's been

617
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: very successful for us. We've had a great walk on

618
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: program here last year. Three of our starters in the

619
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: defensive line we're walk ones. So I think it's all

620
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: starts to getting the right kind of guy. And you

621
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: have to want to come to Boon Nooth, Carolina. It's

622
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: not easy to get to and you're an hour off

623
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: the interstate. Um, it snows in Boons. So if we

624
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: get the right kind of people and the blue color

625
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: work ethic we're looking for, then we have a chance

626
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: to be successful. How nice is it, Sean? I would

627
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: guess you and talking to some of your buddies that

628
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: at some of the traditional powerhouse programs, in some ways

629
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: it's gotta be nice not to be beholden or worried

630
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: about star ratings or recruiting rankings. Like I know, I

631
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: know for a fact I've got buddies as you do

632
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: that bring some guys in there, like man I didn't

633
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: really even he's a local kid. He's a four star kids,

634
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: so we kind of had the pressure we need to

635
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: recruit him and bring him in and he's not really

636
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: our kind of guy or he's not a great fit. Um,

637
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: how nice is it to just go out and say

638
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna find the best football players that fit, not

639
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: worried about in that nonsense. That's what I love about it.

640
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: And I coached the Big Ten and I was up

641
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: to do and you were always chasing, you know, where

642
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: where did you end up in the end of the the

643
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: season and recruiting where you were in the militarier in

644
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: the bottom of the Big Ten. And here you don't

645
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: worry about that. And we don't have that big following.

646
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: As far as recruiting goes is you know what our

647
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: rankings are, so we get the best kind of football players.

648
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: And for us, they come in all shapes and sizes.

649
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: And I speak about our defensive line. Last year, Kado

650
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: Spurling was five ten at best forty five pounds, was

651
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: All Comference football player. He was a state championship for Slurt.

652
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: We've gotten to walk on and by the third day

653
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: he already given three or four concussions. Uh two people

654
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: our team. So we started with from fullback and then

655
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: we had to move in the defensive line. And you know,

656
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes our program special is we're

657
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: we would get the best kind of people first and

658
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: then the best football players. And we don't care where

659
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: you come from, what your star rankings are, who's recruiting

660
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: you can you can you help us win? Are you?

661
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: You're our kind of guy and that that's important for

662
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: our program. You know. So I'm curious because as a

663
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: high school coach, you touched on something that I'm always

664
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: fascinated about when you talk about developmental program and so

665
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: you've been at bigger, big schools. You said you had

666
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: doing the Big Ten. What's the difference when you had

667
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: a developmental program as opposed to a plug and play

668
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: program that lives on the four and five star recruits. Well,

669
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: I can speak for offensive lineman because I coached officsive

670
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: line for twenty years. And when you're in the Big Ten,

671
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: you you had to have size. It had to be

672
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: six ft five at least, you know, and then when

673
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: you come to school Appalachian State, if they're six five

674
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: two ninety and we're getting them, they're probably not a

675
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: good football player. So you know, we and and then

676
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, when I first got here, I tried to

677
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: recruit the six five, the two fifty to sixty kind

678
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: of players, and we were always getting plucked. Last year,

679
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: the starting left tackle for the Miami Hurricanes was committed

680
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: here for six months. Starting a right tackle for North

681
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: Carolina whyat two and all was committed here for eight months,

682
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: and I always got picked the last weekend. So we

683
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: kind of did different as far as recruiting alignment. We

684
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: went for more of a tight end body um that

685
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: could run. We always try to recruit for speed and

686
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: our style of offense, it was size matters. But again,

687
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: to me, the name of the game now is how

688
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: athletic you are and how fast can you run? And

689
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 1: he played with speed, um, And I speak with that.

690
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: Ryan Newsvill who came here to a tight end from Florida.

691
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: He was six ft two two and thirty five pounds

692
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: when he got here, and now it's starting the second

693
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: year with Atlanta Falcons. He's he didn't have been six

694
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: to five pounds and a great football player. So um,

695
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: that's what we look for. And again, you know, I

696
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: told our coaches all the time. We're not getting those

697
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: kind of players. We're just not so go find and

698
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: you have to dig a little harder, recruit a little harder,

699
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: find out more about him. And I was to ask

700
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: the coach does he love football? And if that coaches

701
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: not signed off on him, we would not take him. Sean,

702
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: we were talking to to coach Brown and uh, you

703
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: know they have a big time receiver anomoust where you

704
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: studied them this week getting ready for this game. He

705
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: said they were programs coming in trying to poach him

706
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: and and offer him tons of money, and they were

707
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: able to keep him. He didn't end up leaving. I

708
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: gotta imagine that you deal with some of the same

709
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: things when you've got guys that can really run and

710
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: are productive, and I'm sure there's some Power five programs

711
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: coming to try and plug these kids off. How were

712
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: you able to to maintain the roster and not have

713
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: much attrition at all in the portal era. Well, we

714
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: were at a different time and age right now. If

715
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: n I l deals and you know, we did have

716
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: some players that were that were called if you will

717
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: to leave and and we brought those guys. We brought

718
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: him in and so listen, you have so much best

719
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: in this program right now. You have one year to

720
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: play and you're gonna go to You're gonna lose credits

721
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: when you transfer to x y Z University. You want

722
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: do you really want to do that? And we can

723
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: give you every opportunity to play at the highest level.

724
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: We've had a draft pick here for the last seven

725
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: years the National Football League. UM, so that that was

726
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: some bitter sweep moments. We do have an an n

727
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: i L program here, so we're able to do things

728
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: not like the bigger schools. We might get a free

729
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: ice cream or a free Windy's from Dr Berman, but

730
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: we do have we do have some things in place.

731
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: But you know, he goes back to getting you know,

732
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: the right kind of guys and guys that that bleed

733
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: black and gold and they want to be here. And

734
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: these guys he's fifth and six year seuniors. They want

735
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: to leave their mark on the program. And I think

736
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: that's what makes it so special for us. See Buck,

737
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: we gave him a free ski pass, a Frosty, and

738
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: we have some furniture connections. We get you a little

739
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: little discount on a food time. That's all you need,

740
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: that's the that's the college atmosphere. So one of the

741
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: things that Coach Brown talked about in really being I

742
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: guess envious of your program, he talked about how hard

743
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: you guys play and how tough you guys are um

744
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: and he he he went back and talked about how

745
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: that's always been a foundation of the program, going all

746
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: the way back to Coach Moore. What is it about

747
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: your guys that you're able to get them to play

748
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: hard down after down and they exhibit that toughness at

749
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: every turn. Well, I think it goes back to when

750
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: DJ and I played here even before that. You know,

751
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: we have we still have six am workouts and you

752
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: can really we some guys out of your program really quick.

753
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: And is in DJ can a test for this? I mean,

754
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: we still do stations in the morning time. They're they're

755
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: five days a week and you're gonna find if you

756
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: love football or not. And the one thing I love

757
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: about our program is the upper classman who have been

758
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: through this. You know, I don't have to be the

759
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: police officer in the locker room. Our upper classmen do

760
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: that for us. And they'll walk him off and say, hey,

761
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: he's not an app guy, and before you know it,

762
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: he's no longer on our program. And there's a standard

763
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: to be played here, and we've had some really good

764
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: football players here if you watch. I speak more on

765
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: the offensive, Lind because that's what I'm specific about. But

766
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: if you don't sprint to the football every single play,

767
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: you don't play here. If you're a receiver, if you

768
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: don't block, you don't play here. And I'm very adamant

769
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: about that. And so there are some great players that

770
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: could have been great players here that never played because

771
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: it wouldn't block. So I think that goes into it

772
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: on defense. If you're not spreading the football when we

773
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: pause the tape, if there's not eleven hats around the football,

774
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: that's a loaf and they don't play here. And I

775
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: think we've done a really good job the last thirty

776
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: years of making that point of emphasis. Tell me about

777
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: this year's team a little bit, Sean, What's what's the identity?

778
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: I know, you know, the toughness is as you mention

779
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: is always going to be part of it, and it's

780
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: always gonna be part of app But every team has

781
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: a little different personality, a little different identity. What do

782
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: you what do you know about this group so far, well,

783
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: I think this team is when I say committed, we're

784
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: fully committed. And the last you know, last year was

785
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: different with the COVID year seniors. There's we have some

786
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: great players here, but they've been six years in the

787
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: program and they weren't very fond of the six am

788
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: workouts we all had to go through. And it wasn't

789
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: like we didn't let anyon went off. But we have

790
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: some young guys. That's a young guys. We have some

791
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: inexperienced guys that have been here for a while and

792
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: they're eager to go out there and play. And we

793
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: have a very very mature football team. They've handled this

794
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: game very well. I mean, we really didn't talk about

795
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: North Carolina on Sunday and that was the elephant in

796
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: the room. But we really trying to go back in

797
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: concert on Appalachian State. What can we do to make

798
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: us better? But I like the like the blue collar

799
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: work ethic, and they've had a business approach very um

800
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: just focused on the task at hand, and every single

801
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: day it was someone knew was making plays or staying out.

802
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: And it really became very competitive this year because again

803
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: we had zero returning starters went back to wide receiver. Um,

804
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: we lost a really good offensive line. We had three

805
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: d linemen they are gone now. So it was very

806
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: competitive and we kind of used like in the NFL model,

807
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: if you perform your playing and we're the the depth

808
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: chart was moving on a daily basis and became more

809
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: competitive and a lot a lot more fund to coach.

810
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: I promise you know so. And thinking about that because

811
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: you talked about not necessarily making it to focus on

812
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: North Carolina. How hard is it though, because there's been

813
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: a lot of attention on this game, How hard is

814
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: it p your team kind of focus on the main thing,

815
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: which is a let's improve, let's do what we need

816
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: to do daily, and the game will take care of

817
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: itself when we get to it. It wasn't hard, And

818
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: that was one of my worries coming to fall camp

819
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: that we're gonna be looking forward in North Carolina, and

820
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: that never happened. It was just about how can we

821
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: get us better now the game is here. We've had

822
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: a lot more media come to Boon from the surrounding cities.

823
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: When I say cities, Charlotte and Riley and Winston Salem,

824
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: but it's always been the main thing is the main thing.

825
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: It's constrailing us do the things we have to do

826
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: have a chance to win the football game. Because North

827
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: Last coming in here is a very good football team.

828
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: Coach Brown's recruit a very high level. I mean, if

829
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: you look their defensive front, they're all five star players,

830
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: and they're all very good for love players, and they

831
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: have one of the best receivers in all college football,

832
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: and downs you have an outstanding quarterback who was committed

833
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: to the University of Alabama before Coach Brown got in

834
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: back to come to Both Carolina. So our guys know

835
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: what they know. We're playing a very good football team

836
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: and we'll do the things we have need to be successful.

837
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: What's the different Sean and playing these games at home? So,

838
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean we were there and went down, played Wake,

839
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: we played Auburn. You they've gone to Penn State, Tennessee,

840
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: everywhere else. But I know, you know, and just watching

841
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: the game from Afar, I thought when Miami came up there,

842
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: it looked like the program has been able to kind

843
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: of slow things down in those big environments. But I

844
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: almost thought that Miami game that kind of sped up

845
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: a little bit on us. How different is it playing

846
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: in one of these games at home, which we never

847
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: used to do well. The first thing, you sleep in

848
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: your own bed, and that's that's a that's a nice thing.

849
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: But in teen when when Miami came here, we weren't

850
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: ready for that as a program. Coaches weren't ready for,

851
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: the players weren't ready for the fan base wasn't ready

852
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: for it. Now you go, you know, a few years later,

853
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: now we played these bigger more, bigger game more games,

854
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: potterfly progles on the road. Um, we went to Miami

855
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: last year, had a chance to win that game. I

856
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: just think experience, I gotta know how to handle it.

857
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: And it's just one of those deals that hey, we're

858
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: war mature now as a program. This our football team

859
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: as a program, it's a it's a our administration while

860
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: to learn how to run the visual one program. And

861
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: now we're there now now now we have everything we

862
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: have had to be successful and we have a chance

863
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: to win this Saturday. You know, Sean, It's it's interesting

864
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: because we'll talk about the North Carolina game, but I

865
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: think it's fascinating, uh because the app State used to

866
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: always play in North Carolina State when I was coming out. Um,

867
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: has it been more conversation about making sure that you

868
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: get some of these in state games in because it

869
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: certainly will help bring a spotlight to the in state

870
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: recruiting and some of the other stuff around not only

871
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: APS program but around those other programs. I'm a big

872
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: proponent for an state games. Um, if you say it's

873
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: great for all athletic departments, it's great for both programs,

874
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: but it's great for the state in North Carolina. And

875
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: I think we should play in state games every single year.

876
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd really play in North Carolina Patti State, Wait,

877
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: Forest East Carolina year and a year out. I mean,

878
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: why not? I can get we can guarantee any of

879
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: those schools sold out stadium when app State comes to town.

880
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: Are We have a very passionate fan base. They'll travel anywhere,

881
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: so we can guarantee that. So why not do it?

882
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: And that that's why I don't understand where we are

883
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: in college football with all the real I'm is going

884
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: on right now. I mean, Southern cow is gonna fly

885
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: to Rutgers in a few years, how many how many

886
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: UFC fans we're gonna travel to Rutgers. But you know,

887
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate. This is only a second time in

888
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: the history of both programs. We played. We play in

889
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three, I believe then, and now we're playing

890
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: in two and twenty three in Chapel Hills. So you know,

891
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for for a coach

892
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: for for allowing this game to play, and that the

893
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: Bubba cuttingham their athletic director because they didn't have to.

894
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: They could have paid a buy out and got a

895
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: lower tier opponent or an FCS game, and but they didn't.

896
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: And this is gonna be one of the best college

897
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: atmospheres in all the country tomorrow at noon. And if

898
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: you look around, if you look around college football, I'm

899
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: not sure how many games except maybe Ohio State and

900
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: another day it's gonna be sold out with passionate fan bases.

901
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: And we have that game right here. Well I'll tell

902
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: you what, not only sold out fan uh fan base here,

903
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: UH stadium is gonna be rocking. But you're playing for

904
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: big steaks here because we've put it on ourselves. Uh.

905
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: The bill can come in. Our producer has he's purchased it.

906
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: This is this is now going to be known as

907
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: the Move the Sticks Classic Uh, well, this this is

908
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: this is a little looks like a little leg trophy, Sean,

909
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: but it's it's trust me, it's value in this sucker. So, uh,

910
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: this is gonna go to either your bookshelf or the

911
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: Max bookshelf. Max fired up about this little trophy. Now,

912
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: he was very excited about what's at hand. Uh. And

913
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: then Bucky and I can have a bragging rights for

914
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: quite some time to on how this goes. So don't

915
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: let the size of this trophy intimidate you. Okay, this

916
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: gets Just keep everything under control and go out there

917
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: and handle business for sure. What a great looking trophy,

918
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. But yeah, that's what and and

919
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: and you guys are both your DJ you're an app

920
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: fan and a balum and Bucky Carolina. But man, this

921
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: is awesome. I mean, so why would we do this

922
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: more often? I mean, I just think that these games

923
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: are in today's time, I mean, in the age of

924
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: college ball right now. Why wouldn't we need to play

925
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: this game a year and a year out. I mean,

926
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: it's great. We're not gonna be both Collin recruits, we

927
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: know that, but man, what a great time for a

928
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: great college atmosphere. School and this is gonna be a

929
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: big time football game right here in Boone, North Carolina. Now, look,

930
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really cool. Like Sean, I am serious

931
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: about that because I did grow up at a time

932
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: when app State would always play in North Carolina State,

933
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: being from Raleigh, and I do know the sentiments from

934
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: East Carolina and their fans about playing those games. And

935
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: so you're right, there's no reason why the teams in

936
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: state shouldn't play each other, particularly East Carolina. App State

937
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: being able to rotate and play Carolina do wait for

938
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: us and all those things, because I can't believe the

939
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: amount of interest that there has been in this game.

940
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: And I think it's fascinating for both fans bases. It is,

941
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: and you know, our profile is changed if you go

942
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: back to you know, the really started when we beat

943
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: in Michigan. I mean when when people have the A

944
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: one it without his army. And now and now when

945
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: when you go recruiting and you know there are kids

946
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: on our school, our team, now they really don't remember

947
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: the Michigan game and that was a long time ago.

948
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: They were three or four years old, and but they

949
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: remember the Tennessee game, double overtime, the Penn State game,

950
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: the beating both both Carolina and South Carolina in twenty nineteen.

951
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: And so that's the cool part about it, you know.

952
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: That's just that's where it's at right now. All right,

953
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: last last one for me, Sean will let you go.

954
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: I know it's a big weekend here. Um. But when

955
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: we were when we were going to college, we had

956
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: a place called the Klondike where we would go get

957
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: our wings, beverages, and that's where we used to watch Buck.

958
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: We used to go watch nine O, two and oh

959
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: every week on Wednesday nights, offensive line quarterbacks. That's where

960
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: that was what was going on? What do we got here?

961
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: What where is the place to go after a game? Now?

962
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't think the Klondike is there anymore? So where

963
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: where where do you go? The Klondike has changed, has

964
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: changed names. They're still there the right beside the old

965
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: laundry Matt, but it's but now we'd probably say Bella's

966
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: would be the place to go after a game or ransom.

967
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: I know, the waiting line on Friday nights over two

968
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: hours to get into a restaurant here in Boone. Uh,

969
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: those be the place to go. You're up here a

970
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: few years it has changed. I mean we first news

971
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: you the little wife has really grown. But we got

972
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: a Walmart now, so it has um. But it's gonna

973
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: be an electric atmosphere. And uh, I mean, I'm really

974
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: excited for both schools. And again, I really want to

975
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: say thank you again to coach Brown for for a

976
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: lot of this game to happen and and we'll let

977
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: the best team win. Well, I appreciate you, man, best

978
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: of luck. It's gonna be fun. We're both looking forward

979
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: to watching this thing. We'll see how it all shakes out.

980
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: We'll catch up again down the road. Appreciate you, Bud Man,

981
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: apprecially having your program. All right, Buck, I'm fired up, man,

982
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: I I'm glad we're able to get these guys to

983
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: give us some time and come on and join us

984
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: during a busy game week. But uh, I know one thing,

985
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: it's hard to not like Mac Brown. It's hard to

986
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 1: not like your guys. I hate saying it, but now

987
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: through you know you and through this podcast getting but

988
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: he's also he's also an app Guy's an app guy.

989
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: He's got app blood, he's got right. So you can't

990
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: hate him because I can't. He's part of the Lord

991
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: like he and he gets it. He gets it, and

992
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's fascinating to me. And we talked about

993
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 1: these two conversations. But um, you know, you've got Sean

994
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: who talks about kind of the prestige of North Carinina,

995
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: And we've always played that card since I was there

996
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: in the nineties. We always played, Hey, we all wanted

997
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: to go to places like this, and they didn't want us,

998
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: so this is our chance to kind of, you know,

999
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 1: to show them what they missed out on. So that's

1000
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: been the same motivational tactic that's been used on the

1001
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: mountain for you know, over decades and then. But I

1002
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: thought Mac was interesting saying that, hey, he's been there,

1003
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: he's seen it obviously, won a national championship of Texas,

1004
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: saw what it's supposed to look like when you were

1005
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: there at Carolina when it got built up. He knows

1006
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to look like. I thought it was

1007
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: quite honest to say, Hey, I don't know if we're

1008
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: there yet, but I know we'll get there. I thought

1009
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: that was pretty honest. Yeah, I thought it was very honest,

1010
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it because it goes back to he

1011
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: said that the year we were six four and one,

1012
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: we tied Georgia tad when they eventually won the national

1013
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: Tide of n and I remember he said, hey, look man,

1014
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: at some point we will turn the corner, like when

1015
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: you get good enough players and everyone's committed to the mission.

1016
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: That I happened. I thought the more fascinating part was

1017
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: how he was envious of how, uh, your guys, Sean

1018
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: has got an app State to play with toughness and

1019
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: effort and the hallmarks of the app State brand, and

1020
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: how he looks to emulate some of those things when

1021
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: he's at Carolina. So look, I think it's a fascinating matchup.

1022
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: Uh's what it certainly will be mussy TV over here.

1023
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 1: Uh in l A. Well, I think back to your line.

1024
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: You use this from the draft, and we talked about

1025
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: the draft every year. Um, you talk about wanting to

1026
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: find I want to let me get this right blue

1027
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: chip talent with a blue collar mentality. Yeah. So I

1028
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: think it's interesting because I think you could say, Okay,

1029
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 1: we know app has a tradition of having the blue

1030
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: collar work at work, at work ethic. We know Carolina

1031
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: has a history of the blue chip players. Now the

1032
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: question is does app have more blue chip players than

1033
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 1: you think? Or does Carolina have more of a blue

1034
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: color mentality? And you think that probably gonn decide the

1035
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: football game. Well, it's tough for me because, um, when

1036
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: I think about it, being around football, normally, effort and

1037
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: toughness can win you a ton of games. And what's

1038
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: typically hard is to sometimes get blue chip players to

1039
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: understand how hard you must play the win because for

1040
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: most of your time, you've always been able to skate

1041
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: and cruise by on your talent, and so in a

1042
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: matchup like this, you have to convince a bunch of

1043
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: guys that you have to play harder than the other team.

1044
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: And sometimes that's easier said than done. And so these

1045
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: matchups are fun because it is a battle of wheels,

1046
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: it's a battle of different philosophical approaches. When it comes

1047
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: to it, can you get your team to play harder

1048
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: than the opponent for sixty minutes? And can you do

1049
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: it and play the right way? That's ultimately what the

1050
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: sides the game. And just so you know, if you're

1051
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: wanting to give me a hard time dur in this game,

1052
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: should it go Carolina's favor of people on social media,

1053
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: you can, and I'll probably see it because I'll be

1054
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: on there reading it. But if for some reason it

1055
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 1: goes my team's way, I don't even bother tweeting Buck

1056
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: He's not gonna look at it. He's not gonna see

1057
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 1: any of it. You know, he's gonna be locked in focus,

1058
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: locked in and focus, laser focus. I gotta put the

1059
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: phone away. I typically don't tweet or text in the

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Speaker 1: middle of games. It's just kind of something that I've

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Speaker 1: always I've always does. I've tried. I tried to pull you,

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Speaker 1: and I tried to pull you, and you never He'll

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Speaker 1: never join, especially Caro bad. You think it's bad football.

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Speaker 1: Can you get to talk to you might have two

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Speaker 1: days after Carolina basketball. I let that thing. Let us

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Speaker 1: sit down. Look, im um, I'm full of your emotion,

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Speaker 1: but I tried to be emotional when it comes to go,

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Speaker 1: so I try to let it sit out. Make sure

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Speaker 1: I can own a tweet set I put out there.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, here we go. Should be fun though, It'll

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Speaker 1: be fun all right. I hope you guys have enjoyed that. Again,

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Speaker 1: huge thanks to Mac Brown Shawn Clark for joining us

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Speaker 1: today to move the sticks classic. That little trophy is

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Speaker 1: not gonna cost us much in shipping when we have

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Speaker 1: to ship it to one of those two places. So

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Speaker 1: that's the good news is good news. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: cost much, but nice job and to be of everything

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Speaker 1: getting that thing done on short notice. Anyways, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: do it for us today. I hope you guys have

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Enjoy a great weekend of college football. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back next week as we kick off the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I'll have three episodes for you as we really preview

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Speaker 1: the start of what we hope will be a fantastic

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Speaker 1: NFL season. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time right here on Move the sticks.