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Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey fam Today on the bright Side you

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Speaker 1: know and love him from Queer Eye, Anthony Borowski is here.

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Speaker 1: We're getting a little taste of his brand new nat

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Speaker 1: Geo show. Plus he's opening up about the people in

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Speaker 1: places that shaped his childhood, how he became an Emmy

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Speaker 1: winning TV host, and he's even revealing what's hanging in

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Speaker 1: his Museum of failure. It's Monday, February twenty fourth. I'm

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Speaker 1: Simone Boyce.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from

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Speaker 2: Hello Sunshine. On My Mind Monday is brought to you

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Speaker 2: by Laurel Paris.

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Speaker 3: So what's on your mind today, Danielle.

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Speaker 2: Well, on my mind, Simone was I was just reading

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Speaker 2: this story in the New York Times. It's called three

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Speaker 2: Lessons for Living Well from the Dying, And before you

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Speaker 2: get upset, I just want to sort of reframe this

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Speaker 2: because I think there's a lot that we can learn

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Speaker 2: from death about how we can lead a more meaningful.

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Speaker 1: Lifepletely agree, I'm I would never get upset about this

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Speaker 1: topic because I am that existential friend that brings up

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Speaker 1: death at the dinner table.

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Speaker 2: So lfg okay, well in that vein, would you do

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Speaker 2: anything differently. Now, if you knew you were at the

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Speaker 2: end of your life, would you make any different choices?

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Speaker 3: Probably? Yeah, I think I would.

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Speaker 1: I mean, i'd probably like quit my job and go

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Speaker 3: Really yeah. Probably.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the one question that this article digs into,

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Speaker 2: and the piece mentions that the one regret hurt over

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Speaker 2: and over and over again is letting relationships with her

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Speaker 2: People at the end of their lives wish they had

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Speaker 2: made more plans with their friends, reached out to that

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Speaker 2: old friend. Basically, they regret not prioritizing those relationships. And

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Speaker 2: it made me think about my grandfather because at the

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Speaker 2: very end of his life kept talking about his childhood

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Speaker 2: friend Maury, who lived down the street, and we kept

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Speaker 2: trying to get in contact with him, and they had

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Speaker 2: to me that that was the one thing he kept

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Speaker 3: That's really interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I was expecting that to be

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Speaker 1: the regret that people would think of the most I know.

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Speaker 1: Did the article mention anything about things we can start

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Speaker 1: doing today to ensure that we don't have these same

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Speaker 1: relational regrets.

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Speaker 2: Yes, The writers spoke with palliative and hospice care experts

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Speaker 2: about what they've learned from their patients, and they offered

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Speaker 2: this advice, and they're all sort of the platitudes.

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Speaker 3: That we would think of.

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Speaker 2: It's find joy in the ordinary, don't fret over the

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Speaker 2: small stuff, and consider what you've left unresolved. So maybe

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Speaker 2: there's a relationship you've always wanted to repair, something you've

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Speaker 2: wanted to do or see, And if you have a

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Speaker 2: wish that's within your reach, they say, go for it.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow is just not promised to any of us.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any relationships that you feel you've left unresolved?

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Speaker 2: Ooh, I do, Thanks for asking me that. My relationship

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Speaker 2: with my grandmother is really complicated. And she's still alive.

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Speaker 2: She's eighty eight years old. She's actually coming to La

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Speaker 2: She's one of the people who taught me how to

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Speaker 2: She's so interesting and she has such a jouad a

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like we've had the I'm sorry. And

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Speaker 2: my mom keeps telling me that you can't wait for

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Speaker 2: You have to like give that to yourself and and

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Speaker 2: move on. But I don't know. I do feel complicated

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Speaker 1: I think there's some unresolved stuff with my own mom,

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Speaker 1: But you know, something that we've talked about in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have that age old saying that there's a

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Speaker 3: People who won't. That's funny and very accurate.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, the other thing they mentioned was don't fret

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Speaker 2: over the small stuff. Do you find yourself stewing over

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Speaker 3: No, not so much.

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Speaker 1: I think for me, it's like I do get stressed

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Speaker 1: I just saw this video with Kristen Bell the other

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Speaker 1: day and she was talking about this time Share gave

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Speaker 1: her this really great advice, and I can't stop thinking

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Speaker 2: I love in that video that Melissa McCarthy goes, oh,

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Speaker 2: I wish Share gave me advice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a classic Melissa McCarthy Zinger so good. Well,

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Speaker 1: when I think about the value of meaningful relationships, I

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Speaker 1: think we have a lot to learn from our guests today,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Parowski, whether he's transforming the lives of everyday heroes

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Speaker 1: as the resident food and wine expert on Queer Eye,

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Speaker 1: or traveling the world with celebrity guests taking them on

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Speaker 1: a culinary journey across the globe on his new National

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Speaker 1: geographic show, No Taste Like Home. I think Antony just

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Speaker 1: has this knack for genuine connection and making people feel

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Speaker 1: at ease, and that's one of the reasons why I

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Speaker 1: just love watching him and following his career. So I

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Speaker 1: watched his new show, No Taste Like Home with Michael

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Speaker 1: and we were both like.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, this is so good.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like a combination of like travel shows

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Speaker 1: like Parts Unknown, you know, Anthony Bourdain's Parts Unknown, but

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Speaker 1: then it brings in this like genealogy and family history

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Speaker 1: re element and he's He's got some really great guests

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Speaker 3: They went to Senegal together. This is so cool.

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Speaker 2: First of all, he is the most lovable, likable person,

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Speaker 2: like completely, He's so in His energy is so infectious.

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Speaker 2: So to see him travel around looking fabulous because he

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Speaker 2: always has great outfits with his great taste with other

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Speaker 2: awesome celebrities and like see the world and taste food

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Speaker 2: through his eyes and his mouth and his ears.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait for this the show. It's like lightning

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Speaker 3: in a bottle.

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Speaker 1: It's like if you're looking for something that's just gonna

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Speaker 1: put you in a good mood at the end of

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Speaker 3: This show is exactly what the doctor ordered.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm so mad I missed this interview, but I

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Speaker 2: can't wait to listen to it.

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Speaker 1: All right, ch'elle After the break our conversation with Anthony Parowski.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the bright Side, Anthony.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. Simone.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you here. Okay, we have

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Speaker 1: to talk about no taste like home. You were born

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Speaker 1: for this show.

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Speaker 3: You are so.

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Speaker 1: Magnetic on camera. You went to Senegal with Isray, You

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Speaker 1: went to the UK with Florence Pugh, Germany with James Marsden.

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Speaker 1: I mean, talk about a dream job. International travel changes

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Speaker 1: me every time, and I'm curious how this show changed you.

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Speaker 5: I mean it changes like understatement of the Century. I

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Speaker 5: think I just traveling in general and diversity, exposure to

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Speaker 5: question my belief system, my values, to see what values

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Speaker 5: present themselves in other cultures. I think there's just something

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Speaker 5: so healing and taking yourself out of your comfort zone

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Speaker 5: just travel in general, is it does it changes you

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Speaker 5: the earth and to understand how the world works is

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Speaker 1: I can imagine traveling the world with these array changes

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there are no words to describe just

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Speaker 1: how incredible she is. I loved your episode with her

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Speaker 5: The thing is like, throw me in any type of

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Speaker 5: if I have to be extra self deprecating and play

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Speaker 5: I don't know just powerful women are just so incredibly

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Speaker 1: Are what are the conversations, the moments, the places that

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Speaker 5: just there's so much in that episode alone that we covered.

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Speaker 5: But it was my first time in Senegal and to

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Speaker 5: It's like we have to continue preserving those stories in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, curiosity is everything, everything everything. Yeah, It's been a

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Speaker 1: I think I think this story is like not as

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Speaker 4: Suit, the sherry is perfect.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to send it to you.

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Speaker 1: a jump here. I've read the story of how you

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Speaker 1: What did you don't believe everything you read? I know

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Speaker 5: I had this like weird fear when I got the

440
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 5: job that I was going to lose it somehow.

441
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 3: Really like an imposter something.

442
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of like that.

443
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 5: I try not to use it because Martha Stewart recently

444
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 5: was asked about imposter syndrome and she was like, I

445
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 5: don't believe in imposter syndrome.

446
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 4: Like that is the most boss answer ever. I'm like,

447
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 4: forget about it.

448
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, the entire introduction to my first cookbook is about

449
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 5: imposter syndrome. But whatever, but we grow, we changed, We

450
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 5: evolved or we stayed the same. Who knows nature nurture,

451
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 5: But basically with Queer Eye, it was the type of

452
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 5: thing where I always wanted to be an actor. I like,

453
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 5: that was like kind of what I had my sight

454
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 5: set on. I moved to New York, I went to conservatory,

455
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 5: graduated after two years, and then all these years went by,

456
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 5: I worked as a waiter in different restaurants, and then

457
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 5: I started working as a personal assistant to Ted Allen,

458
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 5: Who'szog food and wine expert on Queer Eye.

459
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 4: Not knowing that I was literally.

460
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 5: Preparing myself for the role that I would eventually get

461
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 5: because there was no word of the the show was

462
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 5: still like a few years away from being rebooted, and

463
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 5: so I had friends of mine who kind of suggested, like,

464
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 5: you should like really consider the food space. And that

465
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 5: was something that was like very sacred and personal that

466
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 5: I never wanted to pursue in a professional way. And

467
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 5: then finally someone reached out and they were like Queer

468
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 5: Eyes being rebooted for Netflix. They wanted to be a

469
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 5: lot more documentary style, like would you consider doing this?

470
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 5: And I was like, shit, I'm like food in a

471
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 5: professional way, I'm not a chef. I'm a home cook,

472
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 5: confident at what I do, but like I have friends

473
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 5: who are chefs, and it's like, you know. And the

474
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 5: other part was like my sexuality was something that was personal.

475
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 5: I was in a committed relationship at the time, but

476
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 5: I kind of it was in a lot of rooms,

477
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 5: I was just assumed to be straight and I didn't

478
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 5: necessarily correct people either way. And then I decided to

479
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 5: audition for it anyway because I wasn't getting any younger

480
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 5: and I was tired of having literally three jobs going

481
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 5: on at the same time, struggling actor, a personal assistant

482
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 5: and waiter and a manager at a sushi restaurant. And

483
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 5: I like went in. It was a big pool of

484
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 5: us in LA the pool got smaller and smaller, and

485
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 5: then they put me in a room with these four muppets.

486
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 5: This was the first time that I had that chemistry testing.

487
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 5: Chemistry testing is where they basically see how you gel

488
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 5: on camera, and we were like completing each other's sentences.

489
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 5: We were like really simpatico, like it was there was

490
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 5: like a good connection there.

491
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 3: Now, could you kind of feel it in the room?

492
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 5: One hundred percent felt it, not only from the energy

493
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 5: of David Collins, the show creator, running around behind us

494
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 5: like excited, and I was like, oh, I'm like, this

495
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 5: is what I've never been able to accomplish in any

496
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 5: single audition. The year's coming too. I'm like, this is

497
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 5: what it's like when it feels good. And so the

498
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 5: next day they slashed like two thirds of us, gave

499
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 5: us calls. We came back, they gave us notes. I'm like,

500
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 5: what to work on, what to do more of, less of,

501
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 5: and they narrowed it down to ten of us, and

502
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 5: it was like they told us that we're going to

503
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 5: do like a mock episode. They outfitted an suv with

504
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 5: a bunch of go pros. They put me in the

505
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 5: car with four other guys that I'd never even chemistry

506
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 5: tested with, and they were really nice guys. And the

507
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 5: four that I was in the car with, they were like, guys,

508
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 5: pretty sure it's us. And I was like, in my mind,

509
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 5: i was like, I'm like, they say they want a

510
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 5: diverse cast. I'm like, we're all white, Like what's happening here.

511
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 5: I'm the most ethnic one and I'm like a super

512
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 5: white dude. I just have a Polish name. That's as

513
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 5: close as we're getting to the diversity part here and

514
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 5: we like went and did the thing and recorded, and

515
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 5: then I went back to New York and then I

516
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 5: got a call from an incredible casting agent at ITV

517
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 5: who I adore, and she was like, look, you didn't

518
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 5: get it.

519
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 4: You didn't not get it.

520
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: Which is the worst thing that you could as.

521
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 5: She was communicative, because you have many hundreds of auditions

522
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 5: I've gone for where they never even gave me feedback.

523
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 5: Tell me I was shit, tell me that I wasn't good,

524
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 5: tell me that my nose wasn't right, just telling me

525
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 5: so that I can work on or maybe I don't

526
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 5: have to work on it. And it's just I'm not

527
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 5: what you were looking for, right, And so I was like, okay, great,

528
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 5: and she's like, so we're going to wait a little bit.

529
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 5: So we waited a few weeks and then she contacted

530
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 5: me again and Ali, I just said her name Ali, whatever,

531
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 5: it's fine, Well, I love her.

532
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 4: Why am I being anonymous? Hey? Ali, Hey, Alie, we

533
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 4: love you.

534
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 5: And she was like, so we want you to come

535
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 5: back to LA and you're going to audition against for

536
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 5: new food Experts. And I was in my mind internally,

537
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 5: I was like, no, they don't want me. I'm going

538
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 5: to stay here. And my partner at the time thankfully

539
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 5: looked at me and he was like, you, dude, like

540
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 5: you need a perspective shift. He's like, you're going into

541
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 5: this defeatus, Like they're all up against you, external locus

542
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 5: of control. It's like all their fault. He was like,

543
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 5: maybe they just haven't had an opportunity to see you

544
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 5: and they saw something. If they're going to be flying

545
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 5: your ass back to La, so just like go fight

546
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 5: for it. And then my pathological competitiveness kicked in.

547
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 4: I went in.

548
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 5: We'd already had a group chat with the five of

549
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 5: us because we had like a really strong connection. And

550
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 5: I went in there and I did the thing, and

551
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 5: I made some I remember what we did, like a

552
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 5: mock episode, and I made pasta carbonera. Knowing that Tan

553
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 5: doesn't eat pork because he's Muslim, like an asshole, I

554
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 5: put panchetta in so it's just like bacon fat, you know,

555
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 5: like smelling up the kitchen. And he was such a

556
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 5: sweetheart about it and didn't eat it, but he was

557
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 5: really gracious. And then I ended up getting the part

558
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 5: like two weeks later.

559
00:26:59,359 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: Isn't it fun?

560
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: How life works, like you put so much energy and

561
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: time into this dream of becoming an actor. Yeah, and

562
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: then when you least expect it, quere I comes along.

563
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 5: A completely different medium, Right, I get it. Some people

564
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 5: are like, oh no, but like you got the entertainment

565
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 5: industry job, like you got the thing that you were

566
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 5: looking for, but it wasn't that wasn't it. And I've

567
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 5: said this before, but it's like, I feel like I

568
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 5: got the job that I needed and not the job

569
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 5: that I wanted, because it led me to leaning into something.

570
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 5: It was already my own internal low hanging fruit, my

571
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 5: passion and my obsession for storytelling through food, which has

572
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 5: now evolved into other different projects, whether it's cookbooks, public speaking,

573
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 5: and now no tastes like home. Yeah, I just kind

574
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 5: of like I stopped. I had to stop fighting myself.

575
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 3: So where are you at with the acting dream now?

576
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: Is that something that's still in your heart?

577
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 5: It's apples and oranges to me, it's definitely still something

578
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 5: that like I still have the itch. I've done little

579
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 5: things here and there, like fun, meaningful projects. Sometimes it's

580
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 5: just something that I really love And there's there's a

581
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 5: really good one in the pipeline that I'm really excited

582
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 5: about that. I'll tell you when we stop recording. But

583
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 5: I'm about to see Yeah, but it's fun. But it's

584
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 5: like it's it's it's definitely something that I still really enjoy.

585
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 5: But I actually don't know because on one and it

586
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 5: was a dream for such a long time that it's like,

587
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 5: did I just not mourn the loss and it's my

588
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 5: muscle memory or is it something I really want to do.

589
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 5: I still think it's something I really want to do,

590
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 5: but I think when the time is right, it's going

591
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 5: to happen. Yeah, I'm definitely you know, knock on wood

592
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 5: on the busier side right now and very grateful and happy.

593
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I'm patient.

594
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 5: And what I've learned is like sorry for the culinary reference,

595
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 5: but it's like I want to low slow burn in

596
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 5: my career. I just want to kind of keep doing

597
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 5: a version of this for a really long time and

598
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 5: until I'm a wrinkly old raisin.

599
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 4: And that's kind of the goal.

600
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: And there's always room for reinvention. It's I'm never too late.

601
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 4: Yep.

602
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you light up when you talk about it. So

603
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: I hope this dream comes tru free.

604
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you.

605
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: From the outside, it seems like you've had this like

606
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: midas touch with your career right like ever re overnight

607
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: success is ten years in the making. But when people

608
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: see you on the outside, like you said, you're busy,

609
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: You've got all these you've got a pack schedule. But

610
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: I know that there are failures. There are so many

611
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: disappointments along the way. I don't know if you've seen

612
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: this trend on social called museum of failure. People talk

613
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: about like what's in their museum of failure. It's like

614
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: a resume of failures, almost as opposed to a resume

615
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: of successes. What would be in your museum of failure?

616
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: What are the the missed opportunities that come to mind

617
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: or the disappointments or failures along the way.

618
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 5: I just want to clarify, like, and I know this

619
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 5: isn't what you're leaning towards, but I want to be

620
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 5: clear that when I say failure, I don't mean regret,

621
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 5: because I genuinely even if sometimes I regret things in

622
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 5: the moment when they don't work out, and I get

623
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 5: like pissed off with myself in the end, like they

624
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 5: truly are. I can't believe I'm quoting Kim Kardashian, But

625
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 5: she's like everything is a is a lesson in life

626
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 5: or whatever it is that she says, and I.

627
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 4: Like really believe that.

628
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 5: But I would say the one that I keep on

629
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 5: because of, you know, my obsession and as a hopeless

630
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 5: romantic is it's relationships. Yeah, like I get, you know,

631
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 5: it makes me a little emotional thinking about it because

632
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 5: it's like, I'm so grateful for all the ones that

633
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 5: I have, but it's like I fall deeply and I

634
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 5: try to give all of myself in every capacity and

635
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 5: when it doesn't work out, and it hasn't worked out

636
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 5: for a multitude of reasons, and it's never black and white,

637
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 5: it's always complex. I you know, it's that thing of

638
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 5: where it feels like a failure and where I kind

639
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 5: of have to reconfigure my thinking and shift my perspective.

640
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 5: Is that I realize that the hardest thing with any

641
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 5: relationship ending, even with friendships, I would say, and even

642
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 5: with family members, because I have family members that I'm

643
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 5: no longer in contact with who are part of my

644
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 5: immediate family growing up and they were there every single

645
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 5: day and now we have nothing, and it's longing for

646
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 5: all the things that never came to be. I am

647
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 5: a nostalgic person. But it's all the plan. Whether there

648
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 5: were plans that that you shared with this specific person

649
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 5: or not doesn't really matter. It's also like my own

650
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 5: imaginative brain and my heart and the stuff that I

651
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 5: kind of envision for the future and mourning that where

652
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 5: it's sort of like, so that's the closest thing I

653
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 5: would say, where the thing that yeah, the thing that

654
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: I have to actively work on.

655
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for sharing that.

656
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: I know that's really painful to think about the things

657
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: that you envisioned with someone that didn't come true. What

658
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: do you envision from love in your life? Like?

659
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: What what do you want?

660
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 4: Damn, let's fucking go.

661
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: I mean, I I wanna. I want to make sure

662
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 5: that I feel loved and that I don't have to

663
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 5: question it. And that's not about the person, whether it's relationship,

664
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 5: family member, or friend, but it's also my own side

665
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 5: of my own abandonment issues and all that kind of stuff. Yeah,

666
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 5: where I just feel like safe and love and comfortable

667
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 5: enough to be my own person. And the most important

668
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 5: thing for me that I've learned. I think in the

669
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 5: past decade, I've been going to therapy since I was seventeen,

670
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 5: But the past decade, I'm realizing that I've kind of

671
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 5: acknowledged the fact that it is so paramount for me

672
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 5: to make sure that I feel seen for who I

673
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 5: really am.

674
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: That's all we want, that's all everybody wants.

675
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 5: If I get mischaracterized or misjudged, And that's been a

676
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 5: massive lesson having a public facing job where people make

677
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 5: a lot of assumptions about you, and even in my

678
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 5: personal life with people when someone doesn't see me for

679
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 5: who I really am or my intentions. And I'm not

680
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 5: saying that I'm perfect, and I make mistakes all all

681
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 5: the time. But when I'm when I'm seen for who

682
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 5: I really am, that's when I feel the most safe.

683
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 5: And I have that with very close friends of mine

684
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 5: who just like never question my intentions. Yeah, and there's

685
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 5: there's nothing more beautiful. And that's like a warm cup

686
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 5: of like brown tea in front of a fireplace, you know,

687
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 5: on like a soft blanket, Like there's nothing that feels

688
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 5: more comforting and nurturing than that.

689
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: I look back on my life and I when I

690
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: think about the times where romantic love wasn't present, I'm

691
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: so grateful for the friendships that showed me that unconditional love.

692
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: And you kid, you're a judgment of.

693
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 5: Course, of course, yeah you can be. I call it

694
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 5: my board of directors.

695
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: Oh that's so good. That's so good.

696
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 5: My good friend Anna taught me that one. She's like,

697
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 5: if I have like a life situation, She's like, consult

698
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 5: your board of directors. Yeah, that's my advice that no

699
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 5: one asked for. It is like, make sure you have

700
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 5: like a solid ass boarded directors. Those people are going

701
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 5: to keep you in check, keep your ego in check.

702
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: The ones who are going to be.

703
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 5: Brutally honest with you no matter what, even if it's

704
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 5: a little even if it's a little painful.

705
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 4: Like that's what we should aspire to in our lives.

706
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 5: It's less about the specific romance or the family or

707
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 5: the friends, but it's like a mix of all those things.

708
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 3: How big is your board of directors? You tend to

709
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: keep it small or I would.

710
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 5: Say it's probably about like I have like five or six,

711
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 5: like a solid perfect size.

712
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's also the perfect dinner party size.

713
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 5: Nothing drives me more crazy than like making dinner for

714
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 5: ten people.

715
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 4: Is thank you, Mi Zerre six max.

716
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 5: Unless it's like two different types of pasta, that's fine,

717
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 5: but like dinner table conversations, you end up having multiple

718
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 5: conversations going on simultaneously. I don't like going too restaurants

719
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 5: unless it's like a work thing where it's like more

720
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 5: than six people.

721
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 3: Same because you like you'd lose, you lose.

722
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 5: The plot, and then you have to focus on the

723
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 5: person on your left for the first course and then

724
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 5: on the right for the If you're following Tiffany's Book

725
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 5: of Manners like, it just becomes a dumpster fire.

726
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: No. No, it's too overwhelming.

727
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm so weird about my birthday. I'm like, no large

728
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: parties six people max. Yeah, and I'll do like three

729
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: separate parties of like four to six people. But it's

730
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: the only way to connect, correct from my opinion. To

731
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: wrap things up today, Anthony, I want to do a

732
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: taste test with you. It's not your average taste test, okay,

733
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: it's it's not hard to tell that you know your

734
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: way around a set of dumb bells, right. I know

735
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: that we both love our protein forward snacks, so I've

736
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: brought a few for us to try today and rate together.

737
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 4: Let's go.

738
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: So I don't know about you.

739
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: Whenever I'm shopping for protein snacks, I have to make

740
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: sure that they pass the gag test, like, because a.

741
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 4: Lot of them they just well, yeah, you know, it's

742
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 4: like protein bars.

743
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, ninety nine point nine percent of them are mealy

744
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 5: and like they leave your stomach feeling weird afterwards, and

745
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 5: it's like I'm getting the protein, but I feel like

746
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 5: a mess afterwards.

747
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 4: What is the point. What's the point.

748
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I've brought some of my favorites and then

749
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: some new ones that I haven't tried.

750
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm curious how many I know and how many

751
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 4: I don't.

752
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So our right side bessies who listen to our

753
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: show know how much I love my chicken chips.

754
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with.

755
00:35:59,360 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 4: Everyone.

756
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 5: Look sit me cross eyed when I bring up these

757
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 5: wilds same they gaslight us because it makes no sense.

758
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 5: They're like, is it like, is it like poor cracklings?

759
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: No, No, it's not.

760
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 5: I know these intimately I have. I'm in a long

761
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 5: term relationship with whoever runs their social media. They send

762
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 5: me the new flavors when they try them out.

763
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 4: Wild. May I open these? Yes?

764
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: Please?

765
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: We're cracking open some wild protein chips. This is actually

766
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: like my airplane snack. If they have them in the

767
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: in the airport, I usually buy these or I bring

768
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: up with me. My two favorite flavors are Buffalo or

769
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: Nashville Hot.

770
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 4: Hey, you're a spice girl, I am.

771
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: It was so good.

772
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 4: You know what they slap?

773
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 3: Here's through like four or five in his mouth. Okay,

774
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: left Buffalo.

775
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 4: I eat them like pringles.

776
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: Have you tried National Hot?

777
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 4: No, try National Hot? Okay They're not too hot.

778
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: No, they're not okay, Yeah, but the Buffalo, I would say,

779
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: is like a great entry point for anyone wanting to

780
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: you know.

781
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 4: It's like a good dry heat.

782
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 3: Okay, have you tried these? These are peetos?

783
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 4: No?

784
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: Okay, These I will say are not as the macros

785
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: aren't as strong.

786
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 5: Here.

787
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 3: We've got about four four grams of protein.

788
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, so these are petos A jam of junk

789
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 5: food tastes. Its plant based, crunchy, cheese less puffs.

790
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: I feel like I need a little more cheesy essence

791
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: in there.

792
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 5: Look, the flavor intensity is probably like a solid six

793
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 5: out of ten. Yeah, but what I'm impressed with is

794
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 5: the texture. It's light as light as it's light the

795
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 5: way crappy junk food is. And it's airy and it

796
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 5: doesn't feel too mealy, you know when they feel melli

797
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 5: and there's like that grit.

798
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not terrible. Would I would five out of ten.

799
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 5: He's going back to a har mag of these on

800
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 5: a flight, I wouldn't complain.

801
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: It's true. It's true. I would take that on a fight.

802
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 5: They're not extremely high in sodium, which is great. Mm

803
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 5: hmmm because that I always checked for. Yep Pa and

804
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 5: lentil flour are good. I like it when they mix

805
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 5: it with with fava bean as well, because just pee

806
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 5: alone will like mess up your stomach.

807
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 4: A lot of really good ingredients. There's no like weird

808
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 4: fillery stuff. Wow, Oh you're teaching me things. I love this.

809
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

810
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: Next we're getting into a no cow bar chocolate caramel

811
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: peanut protein snack bar. I am a dairy free girly,

812
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: so I only buy like plant protein.

813
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna try it by to this. Mm hmmm.

814
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Now it's a no for me.

815
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 4: No one's gonna accuse us of being delicious.

816
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: It doesn't pass the gag test.

817
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: It's that mealiness.

818
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: I know. Can you make can you make a protein bar?

819
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: I have tried the one.

820
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm one of these like TikTok shops

821
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 5: right now. But the one that i've actually the taste

822
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 5: is okay, but it has a shocking I think it

823
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 5: has thirty or forty grams of protein in it and

824
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 5: the lowest amount of calories, and for what it is,

825
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 5: doesn't have a shocking amount of ingredients.

826
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 4: Have you heard of David Bar?

827
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: No?

828
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: Are you know RX bars?

829
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like started our X bars, sold the company

830
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 5: and now he started as David Bar and it's the

831
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 5: bar on the market with the most amount of protein.

832
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 5: Full disclosure, I've never had a delicious protein bar where

833
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, Like I could really use that protein

834
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 5: bar right now. But sometimes it's like I'm eating a

835
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 5: salad I didn't have time to like cook salmon or

836
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 5: whatever it is, and I need to get my protein

837
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 5: and I like finish off with that because it kind

838
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 5: of feels like a dessert. Yeah, that bar is really

839
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 5: good because it gets like your protein fix and you

840
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 5: stay full for longer. Okay, wait, can I tell you? Okay,

841
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 5: since you like you like sweets dessert? Yes, have you

842
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 5: heard of Gselle's Bakery No vegan, gluten free, dairy free,

843
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 5: and something else free.

844
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: It's here in La.

845
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 5: Here in La they sell it. She has her shop.

846
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 5: I don't know where it is. I've ordered it freeze dried,

847
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 5: like freezer packed to New York. There's an oatmeal, peanut

848
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 5: butter and jelly bar. There's a Keto chocolate fudge brownie,

849
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 5: really good macro. She has a protein bar that I

850
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 5: haven't tried yet. It's delicious and it's surprisingly like really

851
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 5: good for what it is.

852
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I can't wait to try this, considering.

853
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 5: There's no like like dairy fat and all that kind

854
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 5: of stuff incorporated.

855
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: I love cake so much. Cake is like part my identity.

856
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 5: So it's your favorite, like birthday cake, describe it. I'm

857
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 5: making you one and I'm bringing it to you tomorrow.

858
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: Boom, Oh my gosh, Sweet Lady Jane. Their triple berry cake. Okay,

859
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: that has like it's just white cake but berries in

860
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: the middle, and then like that really light whipped cream. O.

861
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: Love that.

862
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: Also Susie Cake celebration cake. Have you had Susie Cake? Oh,

863
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, you have to try Susi Cakes so good.

864
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: And then red velvet. Those are my top three. I

865
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: have the diet of like an eight year old child.

866
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 4: Oh, I love it? Are you kidding?

867
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 3: Yeah?

868
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 4: It's all about balance. For me. It's vanilla and strawberry for.

869
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 5: A cake of vanilla cake with like a good little

870
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 5: like a crempat situation and just like a good strawberry

871
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 5: jam or even fresh preserved strawberries like that.

872
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 4: That's it for me.

873
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: We covered so much ground today, Anthony, Thank you so much.

874
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me. This is we

875
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 5: really did cover everything you really did.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Barovski is an Emmy winning producer, TV host, culinary expert,

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Speaker 1: No Taste Like Home is out now.

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Speaker 3: On That's it for today's show.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow, we're talking to actor and reality star Denise Richards

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Speaker 2: all about her new docuseries Denise Richards and her Wild Things.

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Speaker 3: See you tomorrow, folks, keep looking on the bright side.