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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Sandra Champlain with us the author of the international bestseller

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Speaker 2: We Don't Die, a skeptics discovery of life after death.

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Speaker 2: She's also the host of Shades of the Afterlife on

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.

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Speaker 2: Through her work, Sandra combines a grounded approach with a

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Speaker 2: deep sense of compassion, offering comfort insights to those seeking

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Speaker 2: to understand the nature of consciousness, grief, and the ongoing

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Speaker 2: connection with loved ones who reside in the afterlife. We

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Speaker 2: Don't Die is still that great book, Sandra, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Thanks George, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I've got to congratulate you on many things,

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Speaker 2: but one is your enthusiasm for helping people understand the

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Speaker 2: afterlife is second to none. You do a great job.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thanks so much, George.

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Speaker 4: Grief is by far the most painful thing we humans

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Speaker 4: go through in our own lives.

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Speaker 3: Watching the news, it's horrible.

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Speaker 4: And if I can share what I've learned, what I've

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Speaker 4: investigated and let people know give them help through grief, obviously,

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Speaker 4: but also let people know that we do go on.

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Speaker 4: Our loved ones are still a part of our lives.

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Speaker 4: We will see them again, and we don't die. That's

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Speaker 4: the biggest gift that I've gotten, and all I want

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Speaker 4: to do is share it. So I'll keep up that

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Speaker 4: enthusiasm for as long as I'm on this planet and even.

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Speaker 2: After perfect How did you get to this point? Did

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Speaker 2: anything happen?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: Way back it was the mid nineties.

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Speaker 4: I went through a terrible fear of dying, came out

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Speaker 4: of the blue, couldn't rest at night without thinking, oh

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Speaker 4: my gosh, what happens next. I was skeptical about it all.

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Speaker 4: I was raised that you have to see it to

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Speaker 4: believe it. So I wasn't religious. I wasn't involved in any.

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Speaker 3: New Age things, you know.

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Speaker 4: I'd laugh at people that believe in angels and spirit

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Speaker 4: guides and things. But the fear of death just took

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Speaker 4: me over, and so very secretly I went on an investigation.

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Speaker 4: Is there things I can believe in? Starting with faith.

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Speaker 4: Grew up Catholic, even though I didn't have that faith.

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Speaker 4: Most religions believe in some sort of an afterlife. That

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Speaker 4: didn't quench my fear, George. But I went on to

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Speaker 4: start studying these supernatural things psychic abilities, mediumship, EVPs, remote

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Speaker 4: viewing the whole world, and then getting into studying things

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Speaker 4: like reincarnation and near death experiences, deathbed visions, and then

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Speaker 4: having some of my own psychic mediumistic experiences for myself

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Speaker 4: rested my mind that we go on.

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Speaker 3: But I was a chicken.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to share it with people because you know,

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Speaker 4: I thought my family and friends would cast me aside,

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Speaker 4: that I'd turn into one of these New Age lunatics.

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Speaker 4: I kept my mouth shut. But it fast forward to

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Speaker 4: twenty ten when my dear, fabulous father passed away and

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Speaker 4: I was with him every step of the way. He

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Speaker 4: passed of cancer. It was awful, and I learned things

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Speaker 4: about grief, the grieving process, why it hurts so bad,

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Speaker 4: why families fight. This whole world opened up to me,

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Speaker 4: and it healed me. You know, the pain was still there,

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Speaker 4: but I got an understanding. I tied it in with

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Speaker 4: what I learned about the afterlife, and George, I just

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Speaker 4: felt it was a moral responsibility to share with others.

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Speaker 4: And when I got the guts to start opening my mouth.

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Speaker 4: I put an audio out on YouTube, how to Survive Grief,

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Speaker 4: and it went semi viral. People started responding not only

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Speaker 4: did it help, he's their pain, but George, people told

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Speaker 4: me they chose not to end their life because of

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Speaker 4: my words. It was like I knew exactly how they

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Speaker 4: were feeling. So I had to keep sharing. And then,

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Speaker 4: you know, call it God or the universe or whatever

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Speaker 4: power gave it to me, wonderful things started happening. I

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Speaker 4: wrote my book, I got introduced to you and producer

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Speaker 4: Tom there at Coast to Coast, And the more I learn,

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Speaker 4: all I want to do is share and it makes

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Speaker 4: such a difference. So we have got quite a community

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Speaker 4: now of followers, believers, and to give people hope and comfort.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm all about, Sandra.

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Speaker 2: Initially, were you afraid of dying for yourself?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? For myself, George, Oh my gosh. I would go

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Speaker 2: And oh my good were you? Were you ill or

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Speaker 4: subconscious thing, you know what happens, but nothing happened to me.

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Speaker 4: So I think now thirty years later, looking back, everything

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Speaker 3: But I'm not afraid.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to go, and I don't want any

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Speaker 4: that I get to see my loved ones again, even my.

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Speaker 3: Pets are there and they still support me. Now.

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Speaker 2: In the subtitle of your book, We Don't Die, a

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Speaker 2: skeptics Discovery of Life after Death, were you the skeptic?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I was an angry, miserable skeptic. It's like this

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Speaker 4: big ego was on me that I just knew better.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know where that came from. I don't

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Speaker 4: blame my parents. They're good people, but they really raised

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Speaker 4: capsize filled with a boat filled with death children. Well

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Speaker 4: that never happened, and that was just like another thing

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Speaker 4: So I had this bias, just knowing somewhere that none

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Speaker 4: And even we'd hear about near death ex experiences and

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Speaker 4: studies back then, and I just thought, yeah, that's just

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Speaker 4: bits of information, none of that's true. But I'm happy

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Speaker 2: Are you beginning to hear more and more story, Sandra

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Speaker 4: I am, and I'm fascinated by it because we hear

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Speaker 4: our friend doctor Raymond Moody, He's written the book Proof

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Speaker 4: death experiences, they happen basically basically two different ways. A

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Speaker 4: this knowing that they're still alive, or they know that

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Speaker 4: exact moment they pass They wake up in the middle

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Speaker 4: some odd percent of these shared death experiences are not

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Speaker 4: And it's something that I'd never get sick of hearing

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Speaker 4: the light, George, But then, of course they only get

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Speaker 4: of these deathbed visitations and oftentimes people are talking to

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Speaker 4: With all the studies that go on, George, it is

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Speaker 4: Well, it could be a combination of all of the above.

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Speaker 4: these shared death experiences practice some sort of meditation, being

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Speaker 2: You had mentioned that these aren't limited by space and distance.

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Speaker 4: Somehow we are all connected, and maybe we'll figure it

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Speaker 4: We can feel if my dad say, it was on

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Speaker 4: There's something about being a soul or spirit in the afterlife.

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Speaker 4: And it seems like magic and miracles to us here

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Speaker 2: Now what does it mean? Sandro If for some reason

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Speaker 4: In fact, when my dad passed, I was in the moment.

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Speaker 1: Sandra.

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Speaker 2: If you have a loved one or a friend who

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Speaker 4: Why, well, George, could it be that they're not getting

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Speaker 3: They're around good point?

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Speaker 4: So it's easy to blame our loved ones that we

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Speaker 4: There's emails that still come through from their email account

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