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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome episode number ten of The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: I'm Bet O'Brien. Today we're joined by none other than

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Speaker 1: Aaron Snyder. Aaron is the dude, the man. I think

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Speaker 1: he's the president of CEO. He just is the guy

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Speaker 1: at Kafaro Packs. Um, he's also the host of the

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Speaker 1: Kafar To Cast and a bunch of other great things

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Speaker 1: for that company. But moreover, man, he's just a back

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Speaker 1: country badass. I could talk to him all day about

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Speaker 1: his strategies for hunting in the back country, living out

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Speaker 1: of a pack for weeks on end, for months on end. Uh,

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Speaker 1: You'll hear and talk a lot about his advice and

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Speaker 1: tips in that area. Man, He's got a lot to say,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully, UM, this podcast will start a larger conversation

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Speaker 1: with him because I think he's a wealth of information

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Speaker 1: about how to succeed in the back country. But we

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Speaker 1: also because I oh Aaron such an honest guy. He's

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Speaker 1: got a reputation in the hunting world as an honest

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Speaker 1: guy and straightforward dude, no bullshit that he would He

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Speaker 1: would shoot us straight on a lot of tougher issues

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about within the hunting industry, So I

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Speaker 1: was glad to talk with him about gripping grins and

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Speaker 1: social media and non hunters, anti hunters and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a great conversation with a really

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Speaker 1: honest guy. You're gonna you're a lot more cursing than

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Speaker 1: you normally do in this thing because it was a

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Speaker 1: great conversation. We were flowing and he likes to let

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Speaker 1: it fly. So without further ado, here's Mr Aaron Snyder,

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Speaker 1: a certified back country badass hunter and a good guy.

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Speaker 1: Episode number ten. Enjoy Aaron, what's going on? Man? Grabbing

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Speaker 1: me on? How about you? Oh? Just uh, just getting ready,

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Speaker 1: get done chasing turks, check myself for ticks, trying to

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Speaker 1: make sure the defeat wasn't more than the actual the

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Speaker 1: hunting portion. Yeah, yeah, we Texas Rios are normally not

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Speaker 1: the smartest turkey, but in the case of this last

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Speaker 1: more dumb or they got a lot smarter. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure which. Yeah, where are you at down there? So

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Speaker 1: we've got yet He has a ranch um down almost

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Speaker 1: on the border near town called the Eagle Pass, so

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Speaker 1: we're stones throw from the um Mexican border there. So

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Speaker 1: we were all the way down south for a couple

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Speaker 1: a couple of days and uh, crappy weather, bad situations.

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Speaker 1: Usually what was usually is a pretty easy run for

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Speaker 1: turkeys was was came up nothing. Oh yeah, that's because

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Speaker 1: I've never I have one. Hunted Texas a little bit, um,

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Speaker 1: not a whole lot. Just um my ex wife actually

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Speaker 1: out a little bit, but not a whole whole lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of the good things about living

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Speaker 1: in Texas. Hunting wise, there's very few good things. But

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Speaker 1: one of the good things is is turkeys. You can

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Speaker 1: shoot four with a resident license, and most landowners could

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Speaker 1: give two ships about turkeys. So more access and good

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Speaker 1: amount of tags. Other than being able to hunt exotics,

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Speaker 1: that's about really the only good thing I found about

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Speaker 1: hunting in this state. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's definitely so

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Speaker 1: tell me, like we were just talking before we went

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Speaker 1: live here about my podcasting technical difficulty because I'm just

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Speaker 1: one guy here h sitting at a table. You've been

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Speaker 1: podcasting for quite a while. I mean, how have you

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Speaker 1: seen the medium change and and how's it changed your career?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I've been interested to talk to you just

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Speaker 1: years that you've been doing in it. Oh, I mean

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Speaker 1: I really just I started with Brian. Bryan has taded

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that is about about podcasting that

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Speaker 1: in your case, I mean, you know, I'm I have

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Speaker 1: question a hundred times and and all that, but uh,

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Speaker 1: I prefer this kind of conversation. Well, I dropped f

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Speaker 1: had to do a lot of bleeping. Um. What's I

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Speaker 1: um and I'll try not to drop any bomb. Please

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Speaker 1: I don't drop him every column, but just about every

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Speaker 1: other comma. Well, I just like Rogan will text me.

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Speaker 1: f and cuss. I can't handle beats and uh, you

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Speaker 1: know for Frank and I. I mean, that's one thing

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Speaker 1: haven't changed much. Right, I'm the saying what might have

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Speaker 1: that's one thing I think that people responded really well.

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Speaker 1: The Kafaro cast is the you know, the I mean

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Speaker 1: stop cussing, so and I've got a number of emails

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Speaker 1: sure there's some people out there they don't fucking like it,

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Speaker 1: didn't enjoy the role on this and and I definitely

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Speaker 1: with the trade bow, never jump back over to the wheels. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I will pay you to shoot our boat.

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Speaker 1: And my fiance has even brought up She's like, I

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Speaker 1: I like the camaraderie. I like to beat myself up.

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Speaker 1: but as far as in forties, my my max. You know,

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Speaker 1: send that to me, I might say fuck you um

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00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: and the same breath, and I can understand both reactions. Yeah,

427
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 1: oh yeah. And I think that's where one thing I've

428
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 1: been talked about on one the other day that I

429
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: had done. And what it is so important is context,

430
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 1: telling the story and helping people understand because they think

431
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 1: it's important to understand be in goal right and and

432
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: that that their meat. They're not crying over burger at

433
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: the grocery store, Like I don't see anybody shedding a

434
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 1: cheer in the middle of King Stupers or Frek Myers

435
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: right now. He's dropping to it me thinking the burger, God,

436
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: they killed that. True, they just did it with the

437
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: pay check or or you know whatever. But people understanding like, hey,

438
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: you know that animal died to um, lived on a

439
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 1: farm with whatever in the cage um and kind of

440
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,479
Speaker 1: explaining it on a parallel that it's not much different

441
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: than you know, obviously if they're totally you know, leg

442
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: in an anti a little bit different story, but explaining

443
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: how it happens and we're not just a bunch of

444
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: red deck shoot shoot out the window, um drinking deer right, like,

445
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot more true than that. How would you

446
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: explain One thing I always get I try to ask

447
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: everybody for their opinion on this one is how do

448
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: you explain in the trophy shot? Right, I've taken them.

449
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have to, mean, we all have. It's

450
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 1: just what hunters do at some level. How are you

451
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: explaining the smile to people? Why? People say, why are

452
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: you smiling? I mean, how do you explain that? Well,

453
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm horrible about smiling, but pretty easy. I mean, if

454
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: you climbed to the top, he ever, is your probably

455
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: smiling under your mask? If you play, if you win

456
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: the NBA Championships, you're probably smiling. And the thing is

457
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: you're not smiling because the animals, because you killed the animal.

458
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: You're smiling at the all the hard work, the pain

459
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: and heartache and that you actually finally succeeded um and

460
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: you don't want to Also, if you frown and look

461
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: scowling and almost you're trying to look like this mercenary warrior. Um.

462
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: So you know that's a double edged sword. But it's

463
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: more for the hard work and effort you put in.

464
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: And even though you took a life or animals life,

465
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: you know you're proud of it. You want to show

466
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: other people. But it's not showing disrespect the animals, more

467
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: more showing like the happiness and the the end goal

468
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: that you you know that you actually performed that. Now

469
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: the other thing is you could just not take the photo, right,

470
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's that they're not taking show people. Um.

471
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things where I really think

472
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: it's important to telling the story. Um, if you have

473
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: nothing but grip and great information, should look like some

474
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: you know, easy eskillery that only sh shoop for the

475
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: photos and the giant horns. But if you show you

476
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: know that eating the meat, cooking it, what it took

477
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: to get there, the working out, the shooting, all of

478
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: that stuff to where you can run that parallel and say, hey,

479
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: did you did you did you think anyone? Did you?

480
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: Did you feel remorse when you ate your turkey border tonight? Um?

481
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: You know, and kind of running in that parallel to

482
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: help him understand. I think, you know, the rick and

483
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: ran or the portion of it is is UM. It's

484
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: a fine line, but I think it's important to show

485
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: that you're proud of what you've done, but also not

486
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: show disrespect to the you know, to the animal, at

487
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: least on the public eye. I think on the other

488
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: end of it. You know, we talked about the trophy

489
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: photo a lot I've been seeing lately, And I don't

490
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: know if some people just wouldn't want to talk about

491
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: this or just would be a tough subject, but I

492
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: really don't don't care. I try to make sure we

493
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: talked about that kind of stuff here. This did the

494
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: overdymetization of hunting, like people that are taking these dramatic

495
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: photos that are contrived and try to make it look

496
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: harder than it is, or try to just contrive a

497
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: moment that they feel like a touch point. You see,

498
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: you feel like you're seeing that a lot. I feel

499
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: like in my circles, I've seen it a little bit more. Yeah,

500
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: that makes me want to smack the shoot out of it.

501
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I don't have any problem if

502
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: you are one with UM religion and you're UM, you know,

503
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: all deer stuff. I mean, I think that's great. If

504
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: you're like super duper Christian. Um, why you would make

505
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: the animal go into full rig of mortis with its

506
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: wrap up so you can kneel down and pray for

507
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: it and in front of it for a photo. Yeah,

508
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: I get little irritated about that. I don't understand it myself,

509
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. It's

510
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: my own opinion, but I think that, um, some of

511
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 1: the over glorified photos that that I do see or

512
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: or a little much and uh and can be taken

513
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: in their own context. Um, I would agree, But I

514
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: mean it's coming from a guy that can barely read

515
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: and write. What I carry about fifteen pounds a camera

516
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: gear from the moment we leave until the moment we

517
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: get back, and I make sure and take a photo

518
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: of every part of that. And you know, a fraction

519
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: of the photos. Have a four thousand photos I'll take

520
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: on a seven to tend hunt, maybe fifty of them

521
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: are of the actual trophy at the end of the animal. Um.

522
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: And there's probably a hundred and fifty of us cutting

523
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: it up. And there's probably another hundred and fifty of

524
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: us taking care of it and cooking it that night

525
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: on a stick. Um, if you have three photos of

526
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: the hunt, thus photos of the trophy, and another three

527
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: getting it out, your priorities are probably pretty sucked up

528
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Yeah, I've seen that if on a

529
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: few hunts that that I've been on. I mean, it's tough.

530
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm the same as you, like I've I got called

531
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: out pretty recently on a photo of one racist earlier

532
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: this year. Um, on a photo of me. It was

533
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: a contrived photo of me walking up a cliff edge

534
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: in uh Northwest Territories, trying to look hardcore with this

535
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: freaking caribou skull in my pack and nothing else in it.

536
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: And I had a buddy call me out on it,

537
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy looking back on it. He just

538
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: kind of wrote the sarcastic like, real tough for O'Brien, Yeah,

539
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: it's real tough. I'm sure you spent a lot of

540
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: time climbing up that cliff. I was like, yeah, I've

541
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: spent no time climbing up that fucking cliff. I just

542
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: kind of scurried up and somebody took a photo and

543
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: I posted it and it was pretty disingenuous on my part,

544
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: and he called me out, and I'm glad he did. Um.

545
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can always call people out

546
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: in the moment like that without without it getting combative.

547
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: But at some level, if it's somebody you're close to

548
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: and you see that, let him know that that maybe

549
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: that's not the best thing to do, and maybe you

550
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: can switch it up a little bit. So I'm definitely

551
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: guilty of that, ship, I really am. I've made some

552
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: minimies by saying for and I understand photo sheets. I

553
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: mean how I run you run YETI right? I mean,

554
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: you gotta to you. But you know, if you've got

555
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: someone else's animal on your pack for a qualified photo,

556
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: I get'll put you over that. But I mean having

557
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: you know said that. I mean I just posted a

558
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: photo not too long ago of this enormous seven against

559
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: wide moose on my pack. But I posted in the

560
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: story to say, hey, I only had to pack this

561
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: thing a couple of hundred yards to where we could

562
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: get the helicopter to land. I didn't carry it five miles.

563
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know what I mean, Like we didn't.

564
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: And sure enough, as soon as we got the rack

565
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: on the guy's getting the camera and they said, we

566
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: got to take photos of this ship. No one's gonna

567
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: believe it because it was you know, two pound load. Um.

568
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, I there's times that for

569
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: correct lighting. I mean maybe not like an animal on

570
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: the head. I'll recreate stuff and say, hey, quit moving,

571
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: kneel down again. That was a great photo. I think

572
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: that's okay. I don't mind that. But you do see

573
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: guys stuff a pack with sleeping bags to throw an

574
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: animal on the back of it, crooked gamo lines on

575
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: their face and ship for a better photo. Yeah, different

576
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: genuits would That would probably be an a dictionary right

577
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: beside the definition. Um, you know, it's not really how

578
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: how life work when you're in the field. So yeah,

579
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: it's a it's a balance. So you said, you know

580
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: you're running Creferro you it's same with YETI. I mean,

581
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: we're trying to show off a product. We have to

582
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: contrive part of it. We have to. I mean, you

583
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: know at some level that's that's the way it's done.

584
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: It's the way you have to do it. But you

585
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: just I would say, you know, I don't want to

586
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: go over this, this topic, all this entire podcast, But

587
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: I would just say that, you know, these conversations help

588
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: people think through a little bit and maybe think twice

589
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: when they're about to do something that for the wrong reasons.

590
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: And we were talking about early on in this podcast,

591
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: I think it was with Ronella about intrinsic motivation versus

592
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: extrinsic motivation and like doing it because it makes you

593
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: feel a certain way of doing it because it makes

594
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: other people feel a certain way. So I've since I

595
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: learned those fancy words, I've been thinking about that every

596
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: time I do something or post something or take a photo,

597
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: and it's helped the hell that'll I think what how

598
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: I feel about what's going out there in the world

599
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: based on this podcast or just me hunting or whatever

600
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: whatever piece of contents out there. So hopefully these kind

601
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: of conversations and you know, you calling people out or

602
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: just tell them what the hell you think is that

603
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: means something in the hunting community. I think I can't

604
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: even get on a form anymore. A lot of social

605
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: media pages because of all the bs and fighting that

606
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: goes on, and you know a lot of that is

607
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: just not you know, needed, And occasionally when I'll cast

608
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: somebody out, is um you know, if a guy says, hey,

609
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: I you know, my my packway to hundred and fifty

610
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: pounds and I went X amount of or whatever, I'll

611
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: be like, hey, you know, I'm sending a message like,

612
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: hey's one, there's a there's a fine that amount of

613
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: people that can do that. I'm one of them. Um,

614
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't think you are. And so you need some

615
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: context behind that before you get some you guys that

616
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: breaks this freakingneecap out because he saw you do it

617
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: or saw you say you did it. You know, I'll

618
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: call guys out on that kind of stuff too, or

619
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: or just stuff that. I mean, does it hurt the industry, No,

620
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: But I mean there's times that you know, you might

621
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: want to throw your two cents in. But in general,

622
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: some of the in fighting is just we have so

623
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: many problems with the antis right now. I mean, we're

624
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: our own worst enemy, whether it be compounds, shipping on

625
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 1: trad guys, trad guys making fun of compound dudes, rifle hunters,

626
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, getting made fun of my compound guys. It's like, yeah,

627
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: we're kind of all in this together and we're doing

628
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: a real shitty job of getting along. Yeah, why do

629
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: you think that is why. I remember coming in the

630
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: industry almost immediately kind of getting in some of these

631
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: circles where you're talking to hunters all the time, and

632
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: one of the first things I remember thinking is, man,

633
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: they fight. We fight a lot about the silliest little things.

634
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: Why why the hell is that? I mean human nature

635
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: and tiny penises? Man? I mean you think about it like,

636
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if, I mean truly, like if you if

637
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: you really think about the motive. Um, I've heard. I mean,

638
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: if if you're a guy that only wants to shoot

639
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: four haired and shell, but you show appreciation to a

640
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: guy that shoots a five by five, there's no issue

641
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: with either one. But if you're a guy that hops

642
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: on and says, let's say right now, I'm su recurve, right,

643
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: you're a rightful guy. Um. I can think one guy specifically,

644
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: I won't mention his name, who basically was like, yeah,

645
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: I think all recurve hunters are stupid. Why don't you

646
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: go out and shoot another four good horn or whatever? Well?

647
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, is he threatened? Is he? I mean?

648
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: Why would he even say that? If not hurting? You

649
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: know him or you see guys getting known in the industry. Um,

650
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: and people hate on him like Cameron is a great example, Like, um,

651
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: guys hate on Cameron constantly. And and I'm not like

652
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: a huge Cameron leg humping fan, right, but you can't

653
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: deny the guy is just a physical you know, beast, right,

654
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: Like the guy's just a machine. He works hard. And

655
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: so if you hate on the guy and you're making

656
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: crazy jokes, why would you do that when he's one

657
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: of the greater spokesmans for the outdoor community, like him

658
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: or not, Why would you publicly bash him? Now? I

659
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: mean I made a couple of nipple jokes about him

660
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: before that you need to put a shirt on, but

661
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: in gen humor. But it's like, you know, and I'm

662
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: gonna do that no matter who you are. Like, if

663
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: if you've got to set a spandex on and you

664
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: post a photo, you're gonna probably get some kind of

665
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: message from me. That's making cracking jokes just I mean, yeah,

666
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: I hung around with a rough crowd. But if you

667
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: get on and just basically straight up say why the

668
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: hell did you shoot that? I mean a lot of

669
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be envy, jealousy again, small penises and male

670
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: pride um because if you take a big step back.

671
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: If it was your brother that shot that animal, or

672
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: your sister or your mom, are you gonna make fun

673
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: of them? Probably not. But if it's somebody that you

674
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: don't know, because you're always tougher on the computer, you

675
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: can say whatever you want. There's no accountability because I'm

676
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: not saying I'm in capable get my ask beat. But

677
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: there's some people that have said things to me on

678
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: my line, and I guarantee they wouldn't say it to

679
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: my face. And the computer, the internet is a great

680
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: way for people living their mom's basement and talk shit. Um,

681
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: I mean it just did he do? Yeah? I mean

682
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: Cam is Cam Haynes is a great He's as great

683
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: example because he's polarizing for the weirdest reasons. I've hunted

684
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: with Cam many times, not many times, enough times to

685
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: know and hung around him enough times to know that

686
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: he's legit. I mean, the fact that he can run

687
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: two dred miles at a time, it should just end

688
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: the conversation right there. It should end right there. I mean,

689
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of people that can challenge

690
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: that guy's ability too much of anything. So he's never

691
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: I've never seen him put post anything that I thought, well,

692
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: that's bad for hunting, Not one time. Um, you know

693
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: it does he you things a little different than some

694
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: other people. Sure, yeah, we all do things different, But

695
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: I've never once thought, well, I need to talk to

696
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: Cam about that thing he's doing because it's it's not

697
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: good for all of us. So yeah, I mean that.

698
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: Then that leaves all the petty people that you're talking

699
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: about with the tiny penis is to talk about how

700
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: big how big is muscles are, or how big the

701
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: animal is and poke at the things that really don't matter.

702
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. The petty people are

703
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: left to throw shade at at Cam. In my opinion,

704
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: I've seen it a lot. And then the bigger you

705
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: get he's got I don't know how many followers nowadays,

706
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: but the bigger you get, it seems like the more

707
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: hate you get. I think that's just a rule of life.

708
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: Oh I've seen that one myself. Um, luckily I've stayed

709
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: above a frey on some of it, you know, and

710
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: I don't have I'm only get I don't know how

711
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: many followers I got. I don't know. I don't have

712
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: the many as he does, but as it grows right

713
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: like you post. I had a visor on the other

714
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: day on an elk Ive shot, so I immediately posted, hey,

715
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: I got shamed out of wearing the visor before anybody

716
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: may to comment, And some of the messages I got

717
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: were just, I mean, in fun sort of. But I

718
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: was like, it's a visor, right, like I don't have

719
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: the skin of a human on my head. For christ Thicke,

720
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: it's a visor. Well, it's amazing, like wants you get

721
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: to be more known. Whoever can take a pop shot

722
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: at you, whatever it may be, unless you just ship gold,

723
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna find a reason to make fun of you.

724
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: And in my case, I think I I think I

725
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: said I've seen Cameron's nipples more than my wife. He

726
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: should put a shirt on for something like that, because

727
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: that's my humor. But man, I would say that to

728
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: his face and I didn't mean anything negative by it.

729
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, I see you naked a lot, dude,

730
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: um type of a thing. But I don't That kind

731
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: of stuff doesn't bother me. When guys say crap like

732
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: that about me, it doesn't matter. It's the truly hateful

733
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: stuff that I just cannot believe it gets thrown at people,

734
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: especially good for the community. Yeah, I mean there's a

735
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: lot of people that are seeing camp stuff, that are

736
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: inspired by camp stuff that that would never understand hunting

737
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for some of the prisms that he

738
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: puts it through. And I've I've never I mean, I don't,

739
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, think of myself. I think of myself as

740
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: a guy that works at yet to be quite honest,

741
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: and um, this podcast was just a nice way to

742
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: have these kind of conversations and record them U and I.

743
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: But I have rarely I would say, like once every

744
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: couple of posts, I'll get something negative. And usually when

745
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: it's negative, it's far down the rabbit hole. It's pretty

746
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: it's like fuck you, I hope you die, I hope

747
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: your family dies. It's not hey didn't really like that.

748
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: It's it's extreme. So I just chalk that those kind

749
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: of things up to people that just don't know how

750
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: to like human interaction is lost on them. That I

751
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: don't imagine there's any good at it in person, let

752
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: alone on the internet. Yeah, oh yeah for sure. And

753
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: I can say like there's I mean, as far as

754
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: things that people may need to call, like you've mentioned

755
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: like there's not one post he's made that you don't

756
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: need to call and say, hey, I've been a talking

757
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: about it. Oh, I can guarantee there's ship like that

758
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: on my page where you might need to call. Especially

759
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: things I've said, I mean, not horrible, but I mean

760
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: when you're got a mouth like mine or whatever, you know,

761
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: there's gonna be things I say that probably I shouldn't, Um,

762
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: but I still try to do my best as far

763
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: as like a good spokesman for the outdoor you know, community,

764
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: and you know, when it comes down to it, like, um,

765
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: what the issues were already having now? Um, if you

766
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: go to I mean I've seen guys bash Rogan and

767
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: I've sent a messages and be like, yeah, let's piss

768
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: on one of the greatest spokesmans we have for hunting

769
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: right now, let's shoot on him. You're fucking moron, Like

770
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: are you stupid? Like he's one of the greatest assets

771
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: we have right now? And what is Rogan to do? Like, oh,

772
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: the guy spot you know he's stupid and bad for honey. Yeah,

773
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: I think about half the planet smokes pot right now.

774
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: Let's yeah, anybody anybody that attacks that guy. I mean, man,

775
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: he's just a good person. So anybody that's listening to

776
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: this that is thinking about attacking Joe Rogan one, he'll

777
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: kick your ass. Two. He's just a good dude. And

778
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: there's no other way to describe him. So if you

779
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast he thinks there's some like disingenuous

780
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: nature to anything he says or does, there isn't, I

781
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: promise you that. And he's just I can give you

782
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: twenty examples of just real good things that no one

783
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: would ever know that he did for me and people

784
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: around me. And I'm sure you're the same that he

785
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: just does because he's a good guy and he doesn't

786
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't need any accolade accolades for any of that stuff.

787
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's just weird ones like that where that

788
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: person clearly is just looking for something. And like you said,

789
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: I think sometimes hunters fall more prey to that than

790
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: other groups of folks. I don't know this, probably will

791
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: probably never figure out what away by this. Where I

792
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: bounced things off of photography getting it I mean, and

793
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, I hate to say this in a sense

794
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: of like I'm not comparing hunting to photography, but you

795
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: look at on photography forums and social media pages and

796
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: you kind of get the same stuff on there where

797
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: you have haters and you have all this different stuff,

798
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: and I mean it's human nature. For for one. The

799
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: thing is is no one's going to take photography away

800
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: from people, I think and get taken away. So if

801
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: photographers want to fight amongst themselves or un some funk

802
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: on it, you know what I mean, they can throw

803
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: batteries back and forth at each other. But losing the

804
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: right to hunt is a real threat. Um. The second

805
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: moment is a real threat, and so it's a it's

806
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: a different um. I guess it just puts us in

807
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: a different spot light or a different level where we

808
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: really need to watch her mind, you know, mind our

809
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: p's and ques and try to come out of the

810
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: United Front running a bunch of red knick dip shifts.

811
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: We generally come off. Yeah. I mean, I've always said

812
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: that when people say, you know, if if you run

813
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: a company, if hunting was a company, we would nobody

814
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: would buy us. Hunting, the hunting community, industry, hunting as

815
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: a whole average you want to describe it, nobody would

816
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: buy it because it's there's less hunters than ever. Almost

817
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: seems like every year. The public perception of it seems

818
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: like it wanes that every every time somebody shoots a lion.

819
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of people in this country

820
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: that truly understand it. I mean, we're getting way better,

821
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: way better as a group, and there's a lot of

822
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: us that are pushing towards what I would feel like

823
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: is the right angle. Um. Do you buy that if

824
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: we were, if we were a company that no one

825
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: buy stock and hunting, it would be a difficult sell, um,

826
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: because we've done a bad job at uh selling ourselves. Um.

827
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: And I think that as you as you say that,

828
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: we'll do and better. I mean, I just spent an

829
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: hour on the phone with a Diplarma via w agent,

830
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: a game warden about um a podcast for doing tomorrow,

831
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: but about changing this perception for the greater good of hunting.

832
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 1: Meaning it's informing representing what we do in a better light.

833
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: How do we do that? Like you know? Um? Is

834
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: it is it bad to take a picture of a

835
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: photo of a deer in the back of a truck

836
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: with beer tans in the back? I mean, do whatever

837
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: you want, but don't post that ship on social media.

838
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: I masturbate every day, No one needs to know, don't

839
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: post it on social media, right, Like there's some ships

840
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: that are left untold, and that's what I just don't understand. What, guys,

841
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: do you need to have the l hanging from the

842
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: fucking forklift and take a photo of it? Yeah, it

843
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter, but why do you need to tell

844
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: everyone and show everyone. That's where we need to really

845
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: police our ols on that kind of behavior. I don't

846
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: have a problem with. That's how you cleaned in. I

847
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: don't think it needs to be posted for the world

848
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: to see, does it? Because it because it does put

849
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: you in a bad lay. I mean, I don't know

850
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: how you feel about that. Yeah, I mean that that's

851
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: the thing like we we were taught. I was on

852
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: this panel with I don't know how much ever, listen

853
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: to Shane Mahoney, but that dude's he's one of a kind.

854
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: He's pretty special dude, especially Shane Mahoney. You know Shane

855
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: at all, m um So Shane, it was was talking

856
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: about there's four teams. Say there's fourteen million hunters. We

857
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: know there's eleven million or so now, but whatever the

858
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: number is, let's say there's eleven million hunters. Every single

859
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: one of them has a chance to be a pr

860
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: agent for hunting. Everyone has a chance. Not everyone will,

861
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: but everyone has a chance. Like you have a choice

862
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: whether to be good or bad for hunting. And that's

863
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: what's both encouraging and scary about this next generation. You know,

864
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: I'm thirty two my generation. What's an encouraging about it

865
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: is everybody has a voice. What's what's scary about it

866
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: is everybody has a voice. And so that's why I

867
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: think this conversation is important. One because we haven't a

868
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: generationally haven't done a shitty job at framing hunting up

869
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: and talking about all the good things. And then too,

870
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: because there's eleven million people that are out there hunting

871
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: that can all tell their own story, for good or bad.

872
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: So I think that's why, you know, us talking about

873
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: this for half an hour podcast is a thing that

874
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: has to continue to happen because it's such an important

875
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: topic because there's so many people that have a chance

876
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: to impact what you and I do for a living,

877
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: whether we want to go to hunt bears and grizzly

878
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: bears and b c or or mountain lions in California

879
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: or whatever we can't currently do. We may not be

880
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: able to to go do the thing we want to

881
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: do tomorrow because somebody, you know, posted something that was

882
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: socially unacceptable. M hmm, well yeah, I think that's yeah.

883
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: The answer to the answer to that question is is

884
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: very much just we gotta dial with in. Everybody has

885
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: to dial it in as a group, really do no. No,

886
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: I agree? Um, and I think as a whole. Um.

887
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean, and this is coming in I said this

888
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: million times on Bryant's podcast. I mean, this is coming

889
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: from a redneck kind of a bloodthirsty When I say bloodthirsty,

890
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: what can be perceived as blood thirsty? Guy? Um? And

891
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: it probably ten years ago, was the worst spokesman for

892
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: Honey because I didn't have a brain. I was a

893
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: dumb ship, right. I mean, I just but as you

894
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: as you are exposed to all these different things, right,

895
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: and all these you know, it's a it's a collective

896
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: of Yeah. I mean, your life is the book, right,

897
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: you got all these different chapters, and you know is

898
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: the book goes on towards the industry chapter. As you're

899
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: reading chapter forty through fifty, you're gonna probably seem a

900
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: lot more intelligent. You did a chapter once or five

901
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 1: because you've you've learned, right. And one of the things

902
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: that I learned is as I grow in the outdoor

903
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: industry and I have a odium to speak on or

904
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: I'm doing cardio and bump into people to see I'm

905
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: wearing a camel pack. Take that that that that point

906
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: in time in your life or whatever to to to

907
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: shed a shining, bright, happy blowing beacon on hunting and

908
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: not act like a fucking dumbass, right and and and

909
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: I think that when there's these two paths that people

910
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: have to take a right and and help hunting and

911
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: take a lesson look like a dumb ship. I mean

912
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: it seems like a fifty fifty sometimes on what they do.

913
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: Like you run into somebody at a trailhead that says

914
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't like hunters. Well you can come back and say,

915
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: I don't give a ship what you like your dump

916
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: and you start screaming at him already say hey, I

917
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: understand that. Why Hey, you know, I I don't mind

918
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: discussing this, like, hey, let's let's talk about it. Like

919
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: I don't want you to have a poor opinion of

920
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: me just because I hunt. Let's talk. I've done that.

921
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like the you know, Boulder, Colorado, right, like

922
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: you can't find them more well they you want, right,

923
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm in Denver, but you're not going to find more

924
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: liberal people in the trail has been here. But I

925
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 1: have found it hugely helpful to be fairly well spoken

926
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: and have some data behind you and be able to

927
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: represent hunting in a strong um. I say argument, but

928
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: an argument, you know, and let him know what happens

929
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: and why, how the circle of life works, rather than

930
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: just saying, oh, shut up, you dumb ship and grab

931
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: your weapon and walk away. Well, I just put another

932
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: black eye on hunting. I may, I may want to

933
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: say that, but don't I feel you unsent. I've had

934
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: a few conversations with people and it seems like the

935
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: person that doesn't agree with with hunting, or you know,

936
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: you label a manti hunter if you want to what

937
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: a person is ignorant about it or doesn't agree with

938
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: it is the is the aggressor in the beginning, like

939
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: they're pushing your buttons to see how you're going to react.

940
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: I've had that in person a few times, where someone

941
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: was pushing my buttons just to see see how I

942
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: would react, or or just because they they had their

943
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: own preconceived notions. They wanted to see how that conversation

944
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: would go and see if I would revert to my

945
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: red neck you know, pound my chest and run out

946
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: of the room. Um, revert to my redneck status as

947
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: a as you know, I'm like you, man, I came

948
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: from I came from shoot a spike. Anything with antlers

949
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: on its head got shot. And we didn't we didn't

950
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: discuss much other than was it a two point or

951
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: a four point or an eight point? That was our

952
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: only the only way we talked about antlers. And so yeah,

953
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: I think some people who don't agree with they are

954
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: expecting that kman response from me, and that's kind of

955
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: what they want. And if you give it to him,

956
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: then you're losing it. You're losing the battle. Yeah. No, no,

957
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: I I agree. And you know, I've talked to like

958
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: Calhan and I I mean I don't I don't really

959
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: have talked to Romela too much. Um, but you know,

960
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: obviously being in the industry and in a position, I mean,

961
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: I mean I've hunted with Calhan quite a bit. And again,

962
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: I mean every he did a great job. I mean

963
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: the mustache shell said, right shave that those other clown

964
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: haircut there Jesus. On that loose time we were on

965
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: he had fourteen He had like a skullet man like

966
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: like full on comb over hair, and I'm like, you

967
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: just shave that should off and keep the dash man

968
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: at pamp. But you know, he and I profited ton

969
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: um about different stuff like this. And again, I mean

970
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: you think about it. Sixty five days a year. Half

971
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: of those you probably have a chance to shed a

972
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: brighter light on hunting. And people need to take that

973
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: every chance they get, whether you're a cross fit at jim.

974
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: You know photography, UM, you know not to preach this.

975
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: If I'm snapping photos the giant running mule deer in

976
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: an area where I'm surrounded by National Geographic photographers and

977
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: they figure out on a hunter, I just look at

978
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: that as a bonus. But I need to look at

979
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: that as a bonus and take that opportunity that they

980
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: see is intelligent. He's taking photo, Okay, he backpacks in

981
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: or he does this. Oh yeah, no, I understand and

982
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: use that opportunity rather than UM one either hiding from

983
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 1: it because you're not spreading the word an intelligent word UM,

984
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: or two just getting from bative which and it never

985
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: goes anywhere. And I'm a trombative guy, but I mean,

986
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: you can't be in that situation. Yeah, And I wonder, like,

987
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, because Yetie, we deal with a lot of

988
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we deal with climbers and skiers. I mean,

989
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking top level influencers in these worlds, you know,

990
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: the guys like in climbing, guys like Conrad Anchor and

991
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy Chen, people who are you know, super influential, not

992
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: only in those smaller communities, but just in that outdoor

993
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: wreck community overall. And I just wonder how much and

994
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: I have no idea how much in those groups they

995
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: talk like this, how much they say, Man, we all

996
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: got to pull together and shine a better light on climbing,

997
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: or we all got to pull together and shine a

998
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: better light on skiing. I'm man, it's great that we

999
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: can have that conversation, this one. As much as some

1000
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: of it could be negative pointed towards the negative, the

1001
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: whole purpose of the damn thing is that so we

1002
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: can all get better and keep doing it because we

1003
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: love it to day much. And so I just wonder

1004
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: that sometimes outside of in the national geographic world, are

1005
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: they more pointed towards other communities. Are they ever to

1006
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: look inside of their own stuff and be like, hey,

1007
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: we can do this better or that better. I wonder

1008
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: about that because I know that's the reason why I

1009
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: love doing this, because this conversation is all about getting better.

1010
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: Even if you have to point out a few people

1011
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: that are poking holes in the boat to uh, to

1012
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: get there. Yeah, and I tell you what the pointing

1013
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: out poken hole in the boat people? UM, I have

1014
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: found that could be difficult to get best because you know,

1015
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: some people may not know that they're shooting holes in

1016
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: the boat. Was you know, fifty cow and other people

1017
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: may be locked and loaded with you know, the mob

1018
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: is just firing away like I don't give a ship. Well,

1019
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: I mean I I just think like, um, if you're

1020
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: wanting to be grow Second Amendment, UM, pro rate at

1021
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: whatever if you if you if you're wanting to to

1022
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,479
Speaker 1: do that, UM, I think it's great. I just think

1023
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: that showing bloody dead animals laying all over the place

1024
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: is shooting some big holes in the boat. Um. Even

1025
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: though you may think like, well it so it has written,

1026
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: so shall it be done? This is how it's been

1027
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: in history and it can't change. Oh, it can change,

1028
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: and it's rocking changing quick. And so what I mean,

1029
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: have them somepford when you point those things out to

1030
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: those people, Maybe just not you know, throw it in

1031
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: their face. But I also say, hey, man, you know,

1032
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: I've been really thinking about this, and I think maybe

1033
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, you might want to try and do with this.

1034
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: This might help out a bit more. You know that

1035
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: the messages you're kind of putting out now or giving

1036
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: us a black eye, I mean, you can only do

1037
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: so much. But I mean it's it's always worth to try.

1038
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: I guess that I'm saying that. I know I've had

1039
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: probably fifty fifty luck at that when I spent messages

1040
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: like hey, coming from a fellow redneck man, you may

1041
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: want to change what you're doing. Sometimes it's receives well,

1042
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not received at all, and I get unfriendedden blocked.

1043
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: So damn people are savage on the internet. I don't

1044
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: like what you're saying. Don't ever say anything to me

1045
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: again savage. Yeah, exactly where you can't get punched in

1046
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: the face on the internet. Man, that would solve a

1047
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,959
Speaker 1: lot of problems. I hate to say it that way,

1048
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: but you think about it. When people act that the

1049
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: way they do in their cars, on the phone or

1050
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: on the internet, if they can get whacked in the noggain, No,

1051
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: there's no accountability, So there are some savages on there. Yeah,

1052
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: that's in the basement of your month's house. Do you

1053
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: ever feel like that? Is this? Like you have that

1054
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: great platform that you do. I mean, there's a lot

1055
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: of people watching what you do based on a lot

1056
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: of on a lot of reasons. But then at the

1057
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: same time that platform is this this Pandora's box that

1058
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: you open it up and next thing you know, a

1059
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: couple of assholes stroll through and and uh get ruined

1060
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: your day, or at least you get you fired up

1061
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: for a moment. Like sometimes I like having had as

1062
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: much of that as as some people have. But sometimes

1063
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm I wonder if I'd say I pull off for

1064
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: a couple of months, would my hunting life be different

1065
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: when I feel less influential even though the people around

1066
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: me um that I'm hunting with our learned from me

1067
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: and I'm learned from them. Social media is it's the

1068
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: son of a bit. Yeah, I mean, and I talked

1069
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: quite a bit, and I mean, you know, who Aaron

1070
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: Nielsen is. He was the guy had on the podcast.

1071
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: He was like, if you look at trophy hunting, he's

1072
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: a he's got a photo in additionary beside, he's right there.

1073
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: And he was the guy brought on the podcast because

1074
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, he put he has views, um,

1075
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, nobody's living for sustiments off

1076
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: of meat in this whole meat eating, anti trophy hunting

1077
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: is going to be the end of of the outdoor industry.

1078
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: And and so I brought him on one for more context,

1079
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: like what exactly are you talking about? Because I was like, know, Aaron,

1080
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: I just shot a go and took a photo behind it.

1081
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: That was my trophy. And I don't have a problem

1082
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: saying that that. You know, that was important to me.

1083
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: And he was saying that we're going to be there.

1084
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: You know that the trophy hunting thing hiding behind it

1085
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: was um giving us a black guy that we needed

1086
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: to be proud of it. And and you know, he's

1087
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: obviously becoming a very trophy hunting in a large background

1088
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: and you guys are actually a sponsor of him and

1089
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: or he had Triggy count Outdoors, I think is what

1090
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: it is. But anyway, you know, talking with him, you

1091
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 1: know he stops on it aren't a whole lot different

1092
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: than other people's. That's how it's perceived or how he

1093
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: came across. And I just think that a good example.

1094
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: If um, you were to um say that I paid

1095
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand, or raid it, I paid four hundred

1096
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for the Montana sheep tag um that prostitution

1097
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: of an animal. It's sure fucking funds like it out

1098
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: the gate right four thousand dollars for one bullet. But

1099
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: in context that four hundred thousand dollars went to the

1100
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 1: conservation habitat. Um. Telling the story of where that money goes,

1101
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: how much it helps, probably gonna shed quite a bit

1102
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: of a different light on it than Yeah, there's a

1103
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: bunch of guys that show up in a building and

1104
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: bid on animals for a ridiculous amount of money so

1105
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: they can hang it on their wall and found their

1106
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: chest that they looked in. It comes across that way

1107
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: rather than saying and explaining that that goes to conservation

1108
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: and the betterment of habitat for wild sheep. Um. So

1109
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: it's all all about context and telling the story that

1110
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: to me than then it is anything else. I mean,

1111
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: I think you can really shoot on a good thing

1112
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: if you're not careful. Well we do. We allow that

1113
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: to happen, though, that ship would like you go to

1114
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: you know, I know you're not a trade show guy,

1115
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: but I go to SCI every year and there's some

1116
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: stuff at SCI that is just pretty appalling. Like I'll

1117
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: call it out straight up. I mean, I'm not I

1118
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 1: have no problem with saying, hey, s C, I clean

1119
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: up some of your trophy hunting ship, Like, just do

1120
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: that for for me and for Aaron, for anybody else

1121
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: listening like that. I was there this year and you

1122
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: walk by and there's a sign um for a dollar

1123
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: elephant hunt. I think it was something like that from

1124
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: an outfitter and below it it was like book a

1125
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: child sixteen and under or a military veteran and receive

1126
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: a free impala, it said, and it was like a

1127
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: gold lettering and a flashing sign. They're treating an animal.

1128
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: And I thought for a minute they were talking about

1129
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: a Chevy and Paula. I thought, damn, you get a

1130
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: Chevy and polyph on an elephant. That's a badass, um.

1131
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: But they were talking about an animal. They were selling

1132
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: an animal like it was part of a swag bag

1133
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: or some ship, and that kind of stuff. That's never

1134
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: gonna fly with normal society. They're never going to understand

1135
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: that because it's not as far as valuing an animal.

1136
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: That's not right as long as that stuff is allowed

1137
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: to exist inside of this great conservation resource that I see,

1138
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: I could be. It's never gonna be. It's always gonna

1139
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: be an oxymoron. Yeah, no, no, And I understand that.

1140
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: And I mean I I talked with um, you know,

1141
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: Brian about some of the things you guys had talked,

1142
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: like the grip and grin thing, like I told, you know,

1143
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: Brian got beat up about that badly, and I'm like, Brian,

1144
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, damn good and will the moment you shoot

1145
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: an animal, you take a grip and grin. And he's like,

1146
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: I didn't say I didn't like him, you know, the

1147
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: bid had said he didn't like him, and then he

1148
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: explained it more depth and and and my thing was like,

1149
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: I think a grip and grin isn't the hunts if

1150
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: you have told the story from beginning to end. And

1151
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: I guess, like with the s c I, or like

1152
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: with anything else or like I talked about Wild Cheap,

1153
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: which they do a great job. I'm not I mean

1154
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: they do a great job with they do. But um,

1155
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: if you leave context out and someone just walks up

1156
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: and you see we're gonna you know, hey, you know,

1157
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: you get this prostitute and we're going to give you

1158
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: a free blow job while we're at it, Yeah, that

1159
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: sounds pretty bad, right, That's horrible. Where if if you say, hey,

1160
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: we're in it for veterans and show them are like um,

1161
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: and and maybe not show them the other free death

1162
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: to go along with it, you know, you probably could

1163
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: do a little bit better job still maybe have the

1164
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 1: end years old, but not look quite so bad doing it. Yeah. Yeah,

1165
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: And I think that the conversation with Brian on that

1166
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: podcast I've said in on on this podcast and in

1167
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: the last couple of episodes, like I will say that

1168
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: my frame of mind going into that podcast with Brian

1169
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: was not good. I've been sick for like seven days

1170
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: of the trade show flew and I was walking around

1171
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: a t A and I was seeing so many group

1172
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: and grinds on big billboards and just looking at this like,

1173
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: I don't you know, normally am I'm of the mindset

1174
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: like do it if you want, but just don't you know,

1175
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do it in hunting, understand that it

1176
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: affects me. And I just I was sitting at the

1177
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: Hoyt booth and God bless hoy they make great bows,

1178
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: but they had these like the trading cards of every

1179
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: one of their pro ambassador athletes type folks with the

1180
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: with the group and grant on it. And I just

1181
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: I think I had a little bit had enough at

1182
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: that point and I probably said, you know, we should

1183
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: just quit doing this, where normally I would hedge that

1184
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: bet a little bit. But I'm glad it happened that

1185
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: way because that's kind of how I feel now. Um,

1186
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: And that's it's nuance. It's not just that one opinion,

1187
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: but it's you know, that's how I kind of how

1188
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: I feel well. And I think with what you're saying

1189
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: is is not um, I kind of think somewhat of

1190
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: the same things and somewhat different to where I think

1191
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: that one, you should never be ashamed of an animal

1192
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: you've taken. So when you look at trophy, what bothers

1193
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: me about trophy as a people immediately think, I mean

1194
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: true trophy, honey, I guess you look, definition is shooting

1195
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: the oldest age species, That the oldest animal in the group, right,

1196
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: like you're looking for the oldest species. But that it's

1197
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: a broad, very broad, very very broad hunting community of

1198
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: all different ability levels, of all different financial levels. And uh,

1199
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: you know, a trophy for a guy starting out is

1200
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: going to probably be a doe or a cow. Right,

1201
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: that's his his technically trophy. Well, I don't think he

1202
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: should hide. I don't think he should be ashamed of

1203
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: what he shout. I mean, I don't think that you

1204
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: should be ashamed of anything, any animal. Any A life

1205
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: is alife, and you know my thing isn't necessarily high

1206
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: behind grip and grins, but be proud of everything you do.

1207
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: And being ashamed of animals that you've taken because it's

1208
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: not big enough is just as bad for the industry

1209
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: is anything else, because it makes it look like my

1210
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: penis wasn't big enough. Today, I don't have enough stripes

1211
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 1: on my shoulder and I'm gonna put my head down

1212
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: because I only shot a cow. Ye. Well, I don't

1213
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: think that's good either. Um personally, I think that um,

1214
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: the community, you should be happy for anyone now don't

1215
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: give me your Um you got a hundred thousand followers

1216
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: on social media and your spirit of influence you only

1217
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: shot of shot of grouse. Yeah, I think that ship's

1218
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: bad too, right, I mean, what kind of a spokes

1219
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: and money for hunting if you don't know how to hunt?

1220
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: I think you might be not diving into a different

1221
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. But um, I don't know that that's the

1222
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: greatest thing for hunting either, that that we have some

1223
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: people in the spears of influence that for hunting that

1224
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: don't really know how to hunt. I don't know that

1225
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. But I think, um, you know,

1226
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: being proud of everything that you do, representing hunting in

1227
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: the right light, telling story about what you did, and

1228
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: everyone actually kind of getting along with that and being

1229
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: supportive is the is the going to be the best

1230
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: thing we have for the future. Rather than everybody making

1231
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: fun of each other and ship talking and everything else

1232
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: they don't know the text is going to really get

1233
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: us anywhere. Ye times already well, yeah, we've been probably

1234
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: beating the horse to death at this point. But I

1235
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, it's there's the nuance thing,

1236
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: the grip and grint isn't It isn't just one thing. Like,

1237
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things the ways that can show up.

1238
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: And I would always I always just what I would

1239
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: my opinion as it's evolved through. You know, from that

1240
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: conversation with Brian on is just that what you need

1241
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: to know what your potential for your audience is. If

1242
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: you understand the potential for your audience, then you're always gonna,

1243
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, act accordingly. If the potential is a million

1244
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: people to see it, then you should we should be

1245
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: able to hedge a little bit of potential. Is just

1246
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: your buddy who you texted it too, then you can

1247
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: be a little more open with what you're saying. And

1248
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: then and and then just understand what the grip and

1249
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: grand is too people that aren't hunters. I just understand

1250
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: that and be aware of it and then act act

1251
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: accordingly based on your awareness of what what it means

1252
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: to people that don't do it. And if you can

1253
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: kind of get on those two planes. And you know,

1254
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm not against the prideful showing of killing an animal. Crap,

1255
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,439
Speaker 1: I've done it my whole life. Um, But I think,

1256
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think even that conversation, I had a

1257
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: lot of feedback, people just who are thinking a little

1258
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: bit more about it than they did before. And I

1259
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: think that's really the only goal. Think about it a

1260
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: little bit more than you did yesterday, be more aware

1261
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: of of some of the things maybe you weren't so

1262
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: aware of yesterday, and then we'll all be better for it.

1263
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: And then ten years down the road, maybe this whole

1264
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: thing looks different than it those right now. Man. I

1265
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: hope and and I I you know again, like there's something.

1266
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: I mean, not everyone agrees, but we can agree to

1267
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: disagree and talk about I think that's great. And I

1268
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: think that again when you when you go down to

1269
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't pick up whatever. I go down to the

1270
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: local mountaineering store and um, a guy asked me if

1271
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: I hunt, because I said, I need boosts that are

1272
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: capable or stiff because I'm gonna be carrying hunter. Plot

1273
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: asked why, and I said, well, I'm a hunter. And

1274
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: the next thing you do, I I flashed through seventy

1275
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: five photos of dead animals. That might be cool to him,

1276
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: but it also might be cool to him to start

1277
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: scrolling through and say, yeah, man, this is the maroon

1278
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: bells I was. I was actually one part of the

1279
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: four pass loop when I spotted this deer. You know,

1280
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: I was right on this summit. Actually there's whatever, and

1281
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: and then here's my camp, you know, and yeah, holy coward,

1282
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: we were a long way than it snowed like crazy.

1283
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: I think that, in my opinion, is perceived far better

1284
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: than seventy five photos of straight death right, because he

1285
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: sees what you did, he sees your hearts into it,

1286
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: he sees the training you did that you backpacked in

1287
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: or whatever it is um rather than just seventy five

1288
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: photos to standing behind big gear or big Elk or

1289
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: big whatever. And so I agree with you on some

1290
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Coolheartedly. I do that when you walk

1291
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: in and all you see is giant dead ship with

1292
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,959
Speaker 1: people behind it, that it can look really bad from

1293
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: a non perspective. And and and I and again I'm

1294
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: coming from a redneck background where I could get ship

1295
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: myself too. But again I just especially with photography and

1296
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: the hiking the backpacking side of things, I am more

1297
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: involved now with anti and non hunters by far than

1298
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: I thought I would ever be. And I know what

1299
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: I will argue to the death. I know what it

1300
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: takes to convert them. I know what and I've had

1301
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: great luck with it. And so that's where when guys

1302
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: start arguing with me, I'm like, look, it's not an argument.

1303
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: This happened yesterday, happened last week, and this is what

1304
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: I did. And as sure as ship wasn't showing a

1305
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: two well, I don't have a two ten inchmul here,

1306
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: But as sure as wasn't showing giant animals over and over,

1307
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: it was showing a sacrifice to dedication with training, explaining

1308
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: about shooting a bow, explaining about breaking down the animal,

1309
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: ex explaining about how much meat I brought home, um

1310
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: in comparison to here's my giant animal that had my boots. Now, yeah,

1311
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: that trophy hunting and that that is where I think

1312
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: we get a black guy. Well right, and you get

1313
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: and again I keep bringing them up. But Rogan is

1314
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: a good example. Rogan has been I've taken many grip

1315
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: and griends of Joe Rogan. Um besides thinks he's killed

1316
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: and he's taken some of me and vice versa. But

1317
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: rarely has anyone ever seen them. Sometimes, like Cam Haynes

1318
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: or John Dudl, theres somebody will post one um, but

1319
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: but Joe will never post one and I think he's

1320
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: thinking about just like what you're saying. I mean, they're

1321
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: like gripp and girls are kind of like trading cards

1322
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: that we can trade amongst ourselves. And that's great, and

1323
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: we all understand. Everybody that's hunted for any length of

1324
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: time that's in the community gets what they are trading

1325
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: back fourth and it's all great. But when you start

1326
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: sharing with people that have that aren't in our club,

1327
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: it's a little complicated. And so I think Joe's great

1328
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: example somebody who just doesn't share to his three million

1329
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: people that follow him on whatever social media, but he

1330
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,839
Speaker 1: will share it amongst his buddies and amongst his family

1331
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: and friends. They see those photos because they know him

1332
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: and they know his intense. Um that's so, that's a

1333
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: good He's got a good, pretty good program working there,

1334
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 1: I think. Um So, Aaron, tell me a little bit

1335
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: about Kafaro, because you know, I know we've been railing

1336
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: on how to make hunting better. But um, I'm a

1337
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: bit of a pack junkie. I don't know if that's

1338
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: the right term, but I love I think packs and

1339
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: boots are the two things that are most specific to

1340
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: mountain hunting. Um, So tell me about you know how

1341
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 1: you got started with Kafaro and just what's going on

1342
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: over there. But it's kind of crazy, um how it

1343
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: all worked out. It was like a meant to be,

1344
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: UM saying. Patrick Smith started Mountain Smith, which was like

1345
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: a backpacking company, um years ago and he sold it,

1346
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: um and then started too far through and he Patrick

1347
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: said that he had three daughters, so he never had

1348
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: somebody to really take over the throne, so to speak. Um,

1349
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: the three daughters didn't hunt. Their husband's been really hunting. Um.

1350
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: I was reviewing a bunch of gear and backpacks and

1351
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: I guess it's eight years ago, No, six or seven

1352
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: years ago, now, whatever it was. I walked in finally

1353
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: got ahold of Patrick to test out some packs. We

1354
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: started talking and helped him with some designs and um,

1355
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: they kind of brought me on as I was working

1356
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 1: construction at the time. Is like a consultant slash sales rep.

1357
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: Kind of a position where I was making a little

1358
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: bit of money. And um, why I'm with the you know,

1359
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 1: the CEO and president now, um, and he took me on.

1360
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: I looked at him like a father and he One

1361
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: of the unique things with Patrick is one of my

1362
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 1: job descriptions as I will spend a hundred and fifty

1363
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 1: nine the year in the wilderness without a doubt, without

1364
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: fail um. And one of that things is that he

1365
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: he had pressed upon several things upon me. One was

1366
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: made in America, staying made in America. No matter what,

1367
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 1: we will always be American made, not just American made,

1368
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: but American components, American everything. Two was lead by example

1369
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: in by our customers, meaning I want you to be

1370
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: the fittest you can possibly be. I want you to

1371
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: be in the field as much as you possibly can.

1372
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: I want you packing out as many animals as you can.

1373
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: And I want you near death at least fifteen times

1374
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: a year to know what gear we can design to

1375
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: make you not near death the next year. Now, how

1376
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: often do you walk into a job like that where

1377
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: I lived to live in the woods, and then the

1378
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: guy that becomes your father slash boss says, hearing your

1379
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: acts staying out there a hundred fifty nights a year

1380
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: without fail Well, I mean so people are like you know,

1381
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: that's one of the things why people listen to me

1382
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: with gear is I mean, there's so much that I mean,

1383
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,560
Speaker 1: I for me a hundred fifty nine the years the

1384
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: light year. Um, that's I mean, I've I've hit two

1385
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: twenty a few times and uh and uh you learn

1386
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: a lot when you're out there, and you learn a

1387
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: lot about designing your product. And so that's been a

1388
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: huge thing that he ingrained in my brain. And and

1389
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully when I can't walk anymore, I'm going

1390
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,839
Speaker 1: to pass this down to Frank, you know, my my partner,

1391
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: and crime where you can do it to these younger Yeah.

1392
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of things there that are interesting. One,

1393
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: that's the dream job for anybody likes to go hunt

1394
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: and hike. And do you feel like back packing back

1395
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: country honey, whatever you want to describe that is was

1396
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: always part of your DNA and that's why you got

1397
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: there or did you at some point learn, you know,

1398
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: go from away from your redneck ways and just become

1399
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,560
Speaker 1: dial Well I I say that, man. I never was

1400
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 1: a gun hunter, really, Um, I was when I was

1401
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: a kid. Um there was a my when I was fourteen.

1402
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: I it was the Youth Conservation Corps, something you did

1403
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: with the Forest Service. And I joined that, which is

1404
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: usually cleaning out porter parties and cleaning up state parks

1405
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: and the people on the trail crew knew me and

1406
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: asked if they could what paperwork they need to fill

1407
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: out to get this kid, meaning me on this trail crew.

1408
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: Well that changed my life forever because I hyped ten

1409
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: miles a day as a minimum, and all I did

1410
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: was carried a cross cut song and acts over my

1411
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: shoulders a fourteen year old kid cleaning off wilderness trails.

1412
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: Um in the midst of that, with my red neck

1413
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: upbringing is a you know, like dad driving around drinking,

1414
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, basically shooting it out of the window. Um

1415
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: As I hyped in there's all these deer that I

1416
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: never saw, you know what I mean? Like my there's

1417
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 1: animals ever to we're back here. Well, so at an

1418
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: extremely young age, I learned how to backpack. And I mean,

1419
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: you know from from experts. Guys. These guys climbed everest.

1420
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: This was their side job, right, this is what they

1421
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: did to make money so they could go climb, so

1422
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: they could do whatever. And so I learned that extremely young.

1423
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: I did that all through high school for three months

1424
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: in my summer months. And the one that made me

1425
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: a bit more of a man because I'm swinging in

1426
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: an accident, you know how cross cuts on my hand

1427
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: it we had double buck and single buck saws and uh.

1428
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: Once I did that, that kind of trance and I

1429
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: and I was in the army for a while um

1430
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: as well, and that just taught me how to get

1431
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: beat up UM a little bit better. But all of

1432
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: those things combined the moment I got out of the military, well,

1433
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: I got fat first, but then I got super fit

1434
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: and all I could do with backpack. All I did

1435
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: was backpack like over. No mountain was too high, no

1436
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: lake was too far. We pack and flow to be

1437
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: you know we you know, I mean on a very

1438
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: I was broke as a joke, but I always backpack

1439
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: hunted and so that was like just my thing. And

1440
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: then as time went on, I was seeing some videos

1441
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: from Cameron and south Cox and and backpack hunting wasn't

1442
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: really known. Now backpack hunting is known, and you can't

1443
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you run into people constantly on

1444
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: the wilderness. So this job for me, I mean, Patrick's

1445
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: told me many times, he's like, You're the son I

1446
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: never had, and really a godsend for my family because

1447
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: you or everything I needed to take over from the company.

1448
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: Now I'm a bit wilder probably than they wanted. But

1449
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 1: you know it was a perfect fit. Um so it

1450
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: was great. Off there for a minute, but I love it.

1451
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: It was great. I can hear you can hear it

1452
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: your voice, man, you can hear it. You love it.

1453
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: And that's freaking as somebody who you know, any product

1454
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 1: of any company, that's that's all. It really matters that

1455
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: the people making it love the thing that it's made

1456
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: or and that comes through and your packs for sure.

1457
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: How much has it packs changed over the years that

1458
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: you've been doing and how much do you feel like

1459
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: they will change it? I can I can tell you

1460
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: right now. The pack I used to hold it. I

1461
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: used to carry an old army rucksack to the deer

1462
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: stand when I was sixteen, and now it's a lot

1463
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: different than that. But how are they changing. Well, they've

1464
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: changed a lot in the sense of the bags and

1465
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: the materials are changing. The the platform that Patrick started

1466
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: with us far the suspension, I've changed some of the

1467
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: design that the bases there. Um really, I've changed materials.

1468
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,839
Speaker 1: I've changed some of the connection points. The base design

1469
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: hasn't changed at all. The bags have changed, the materials changing,

1470
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean technology right, like hydrophobic foam so it doesn't

1471
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: think as bad waterproof material, tougher material that will last longer.

1472
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 1: You know, the the never ending rabbit hole of lighter

1473
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: weight UM. You know, we're able to push things far

1474
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: farther and farther UM, which is really one of my

1475
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 1: my job when we go off the deep end on lightweight,

1476
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: pushing something to as lightweight as possible. You know, that's

1477
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: my job to go pack out twenty three animals a

1478
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: year to see can it take it? Right? Like we

1479
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: just came out with a new crazy lightweight frame and uh,

1480
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: you know that was the main job is I had

1481
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,839
Speaker 1: to have fifty animals in that frame in a minimum

1482
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: amount of miles. That's how we testing um before it

1483
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: would even pass muster to go on to the next level.

1484
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: Most companies don't do that ship anymore, man. I mean

1485
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: they designed it in an office and go hike ground

1486
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: and that's it. Well, you know, as we change these things,

1487
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: they also have to be vetted and so next time

1488
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: in the field and boots on the ground. I probably

1489
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: be able to walk when I'm sixty, but damn, I

1490
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun testament stuff out in the meantime.

1491
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I just keep thinking about your gig

1492
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: and your minimums. Your mandatory minimum hiking hours is just

1493
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 1: freaking badass, is It's I just ordered some boots from

1494
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: a boot company and they sent me a set for

1495
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: free to try to review, and I fell in love

1496
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: with him. And I called I said I need two

1497
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 1: more sets, and they're like, well you mean, I'm like, oh,

1498
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: I'll burn through these things in no time. They're like, dude,

1499
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: it's one of our most durable boots. And I said, yeah,

1500
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: you know again, so I need two more sets. I

1501
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: don't care what to pay for him. I need him

1502
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: because I'm putting that many miles on the ground in

1503
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 1: one season, the astronomical amount. And uh so yeah, I

1504
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: mean it's definitely some crazy standards with Patrick just putting

1505
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: me up against, but it keeps me out of the office. Yeah, So,

1506
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 1: how are it like people out there that aren't aren't

1507
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: hitting your minimums? I think, man, just another rabbit hole.

1508
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about guys that I know that

1509
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 1: have spent that many days in a mountain during your

1510
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: maybe Remy Warrens another guy who would say like a

1511
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: two just but he's a guide and so he's not

1512
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: it's not probably not in the same way that you're

1513
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: doing it, but just just it's amazing and the knowledge.

1514
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're sharing all that knowledge, man, because that's

1515
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: that's important stuff. Because you're lucky. I'm sure you know, lucky.

1516
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: You get to do what you do. You earn earn

1517
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: your place at Kafaro, and it's it's just badass to

1518
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: hear that. Is there any suggestions you've give the people

1519
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: for packs of the guys who are just looking to

1520
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: get into it and go out west, is there one

1521
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: thing they ought to look for when they're selecting a pack.

1522
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's the same as boots. You

1523
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: need to make sure one they fit. Um, you can't

1524
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: walk in I mean I hate say you can't walk

1525
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: into a Capella's or a bass Pro or source of

1526
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: warehouse or whatever. Um and get a pack that's really

1527
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: fitted properly, which is hugely important for backpack hunting. So

1528
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: you want to make sure and talk to somebody that

1529
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 1: actually knows what they're doing. UM, make sure you get

1530
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: the packs fitted correctly. Make sure you get the proper size.

1531
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: You know and understand how the pack works. You understand

1532
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,440
Speaker 1: what a load lifter is. Um understand how the compressions

1533
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: straps work, how it connects, how to adjust it, all

1534
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: those different things. And it's no different if you buy

1535
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: a camera and you keep it on Ottawa all the time.

1536
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: It'll work, but you're not going to get the most

1537
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: out of it you can. So you want to make

1538
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: sure you know it's fitted correctly, that you get the

1539
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 1: most out of it, because it leaves you more comfortable, happier,

1540
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: more longevity, and able to bounce right back when you're

1541
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: done with your hunt rather than being bloody, beat up

1542
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,719
Speaker 1: and in pain. And that's the same way with boots.

1543
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 1: I mean you brought boots up in the same way.

1544
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean you get a boot that doesn't fit, it

1545
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: will make your life help. So you want to make

1546
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: sure the same way with a pack. What's what's your

1547
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: boot of choice right now? Oh man? I was a

1548
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: scarper guy forever and then I just um han Fog

1549
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: sent me a set of mockra Um and you want

1550
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: to talk about I think I might make love to that,

1551
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: but I want to put it on. Immediately. I looked

1552
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,959
Speaker 1: at my fiance it was like, this boot is amazing.

1553
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: The next day we did Cardio with sixty five pounds

1554
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: and not far. But it's flew over a mile straight up,

1555
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: and it's a thousand foot game. But you know I'm

1556
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: gonna get heel rubbed with that. I'm gonna have arch problems.

1557
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where you're really gonna see it. Boot

1558
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: not broken it at all, flew up the mountain the

1559
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: almost record time. And uh, I just I can't say

1560
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 1: enough about that specific boot. But I like a stiffer boot.

1561
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: So if you're wann't a really flexible one, that's not

1562
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,799
Speaker 1: the boot for you. Spell the name of it. I've

1563
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: never heard that before. Um han vob So it's h

1564
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: A n w A g um makaro, which is m

1565
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: A k A r A. I see you, all right,

1566
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking. I gotta look him up now. This is

1567
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: a kind of boot guy that I am too to

1568
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: see it. You're kind of in the built in the

1569
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: same is the Scarpolsportiva Salewa, same region. And I mean,

1570
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't you know, there's a big you know, as

1571
01:20:56,200 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: far as boots go. Um, I don't know. I used

1572
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: to when I didn't know what I was doing, going

1573
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: and buy a quote unquote hunting boot, which is, in

1574
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: my opinion, one of the worst things you can do. Um.

1575
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: You know, you you really want to go to a

1576
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 1: mountaineering store and you probably want to buy a backpacking boot.

1577
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, nothing wrong with the camera boot that goes

1578
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: up to your knee, but for backpacking' probably not gonna

1579
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 1: be super happy. So you go to an ex boot. Yeah,

1580
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: that's what I mean when we went. I went to

1581
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,919
Speaker 1: Nepal last year and that's the first time I discovered

1582
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: Lost Portiva. I mean, you know, but a new about

1583
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: scarpor I had seen a bunch of guys, seen a

1584
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: couple of guys in Kodyak wearing scarpas and was interested.

1585
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 1: I had worn uh mindels for a while and had

1586
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,799
Speaker 1: just got some crispies. It was just kind of feeling

1587
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 1: through those. But then you start to get into, like

1588
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: you said, you break into the that mountaineering world and

1589
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: you start to learn about loss Fartiva and learn about

1590
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: some of those brands. So I got a pair of

1591
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: Aspartiva approach boots for for Nepal and that kind of

1592
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 1: switched on the next level of thinking when it comes

1593
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: to what's on your foot, I mean a lot of this.

1594
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 1: That's when when I need advice for backpacking. Very few

1595
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: people do I go to, you know, I go to

1596
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: those guys that climb everything, um, big wall climbers like um.

1597
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: I mean, those guys know they're ship right. So when

1598
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 1: I need like a state of the art gear assessment

1599
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: that's above and beyond what I have, I need a

1600
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 1: guy that's been closer to desk than I have. Right,

1601
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: it's pushing the limits far beyond where I am. And

1602
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: guys that climb are a good a good a good

1603
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: bounce back, and so I usually go down. I have

1604
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: a friends at the local mountaineering store, and you know,

1605
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: I bounced it off of them. I asked them questions

1606
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 1: and they and I'm going to get position. I get

1607
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: gear a year before anyone else even sees it on

1608
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: the market, like whether it be clothing from backpacking companies

1609
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: or hunting companies. You know, I get gears so far

1610
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: ahead in the testing phases, which is great, um play

1611
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: or be boots or anything else. And so I get

1612
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: I gets really in depth looks at gear before anyone else's.

1613
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 1: It's a great position to be into them gear. Yeah,

1614
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a great advice for people that

1615
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, packs and boots are the

1616
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: two things that I've there. If you're not a pack company,

1617
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: don't make packs. If you're not a boot company, don't

1618
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: make boots. I've said that for for as long as

1619
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: that as long as I've kind of been trying to

1620
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: get serious about this whole thing, and I believe that

1621
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 1: whole hardly. And that's that's a great advice for people,

1622
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 1: like if you're out there and there's some experts in

1623
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: your town, if you live in a mountain town and

1624
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: there's a mountaineering store somewhere, or even for me, I

1625
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: think if I'm getting, you know, last minute supplies for

1626
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: a backpack trip, I go to r a I before

1627
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: I go to Cabela's every freaking day. Um, just just

1628
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: for the general backpack and stuff that they have, whether

1629
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 1: it's civil lightweight silverware, or you know, anything that goes

1630
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: with being in the in the back country. I think

1631
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: there's just better quality stuff in that in that outdoor

1632
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 1: reck space when it comes to back country gear, right, No, No,

1633
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 1: I I agree, Um, I mean the clothing is the

1634
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: same way. I mean, anyone that says any hunting clothing

1635
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: right now wasn't copied off of backpacking company's a liar,

1636
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 1: Like it's just straight up how it is. Um and

1637
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 1: of course my opinion, but the Patagonia are one fleece hoodie.

1638
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: I can name seven hoodies on the market and camera

1639
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 1: right now. They look a whole lot like the Patagonia

1640
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: are one police Is that wrong? Is that bad? No?

1641
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: And it's not bad, but a lot. I mean, all

1642
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: the clothing we're wearing, this covered in camo was copied

1643
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: off of a backpacking company, whether it be mamut Ore, Carrick, Um,

1644
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: you know whoever, Patagonia, it was copied off one of

1645
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: those based backpacking companies. For the most part, there's not

1646
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: a lot of again, in my opinion, there's not a

1647
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,560
Speaker 1: lot of new way of thinking. When it comes in

1648
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: the hunting world, it's usually copied off of a backpacking company. Yeah, yeah,

1649
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 1: a boost the same way. I mean, you know, I

1650
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't if I was going on a ten day backhuntry

1651
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 1: trip in the Missouri Breaks. There's not a whole lot

1652
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: of stuff serious gear at Cabela's that I would want

1653
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 1: to buy. And I've tried, and I've went there and

1654
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: it's chopped around. I'm thinking, Yeah, if I'm sitting in

1655
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: a tree stand Jason Dear, There's a lot here that

1656
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 1: I could could use. But when you're really talking about

1657
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: getting back there and needing your stuff to work, it's

1658
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: it's tough, and almost in the hunt community almost be

1659
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: embarrassed to say you shop at are I all the time,

1660
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: but I do. Yeah, oh yeah. There was just a

1661
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: huge post about r e I because you have very

1662
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: anti guns dating in a bunch of other stuff, and

1663
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: I try not to get I definitely talked to I'm

1664
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: an anti Jet Boiled guy because I've not had great

1665
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: vibes back from the higher ups I've talked to at

1666
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 1: Jet Boil about being pro hunting, and so for example

1667
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 1: with that, I do do some background checks. I try

1668
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 1: to support hunting friendly companies. Primus is a prime example.

1669
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 1: I try to support Primus in MSR as much as

1670
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,919
Speaker 1: I possibly can. The same is Scarpa and Hanvog because

1671
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: they have guiding outfitter programs for discounts. Primus is not

1672
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,799
Speaker 1: afraid to support hunting. Convog is the same way UM

1673
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: and so those companies I try to support even though

1674
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 1: they're not a hunting company, they are pro hunting and

1675
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: they're not afraid of that and that's important to me

1676
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: as well. Um, you know, and so I tried it.

1677
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 1: I try to I try not to review a lot

1678
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 1: of gear that's shipping on hunting, that's for sure. I

1679
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 1: try to focus on you know, it's a backpacking company,

1680
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: that it's one that is pro hunting or doesn't crap

1681
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: on hunting. Yeah, and I think Black Diamond has been

1682
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: I used to work with somebody that was working at

1683
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: Black Diamond and he described them as firmly anti hunting.

1684
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: And I have several Black Diamond headlamps that I wear,

1685
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: and I've seen a lot of other hunters wearing Black

1686
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 1: Diamond headlamps or trekking poles or whatever. And Cabella sells

1687
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 1: Black Diamond gear at some La Lana. I haven't looked

1688
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 1: into it to see if really how deeply anti hunting

1689
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 1: they are, but I'm I'm sure just from is evidence

1690
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: that there's there's some seeds there. So yeah, I mean,

1691
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: just knowing that stuff as much as a consumer couldn't

1692
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: know it, you're gonna know everything, but just understanding the

1693
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: dynamics there is important. And I'm not embarrassed were a

1694
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: Black Diamond headlamp, But next time I go to buy one,

1695
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: and it's not going to be a black diamond, that's

1696
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: for sure. Ye. No, no, I'm in the same same boat.

1697
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: And again I've had guys say, hey, you know you

1698
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: wear prawn as I own pants, and we were told

1699
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 1: they were anti hunting, and I'm like, well, they have

1700
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 1: doing the best here, like don't set gold right of trying.

1701
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta trying to have to let people

1702
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 1: know what a good discount is on pants too, and

1703
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: they're cheap, so take it easy on me. But yeah, no,

1704
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean I definitely agree and trying to do the

1705
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: same things. And the jet Boil thing, that's funny. People

1706
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: are sending emails saying, hey, this is their response, and

1707
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: we asked them, like, well they like hunters money, I'm

1708
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: sure that's their response. But I mean I talked to

1709
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: him with the O. R Show, and believe me, they

1710
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,600
Speaker 1: were not grow hunting at the O R Show. And

1711
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: these weren't sales reps. These were very high ups in

1712
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: the Jet Boiler and so I'm like, hey, ms are

1713
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: in primus, We'll tell you and without the doubt they

1714
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: are not against hunting, and so I try to spread

1715
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: that word, like I said as well, yeah. I mean,

1716
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: and we've been talking about that. It's a good Another

1717
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: good talk to hit on is UM, I don't know

1718
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 1: how much you spent, you know, obviously it sounds like

1719
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 1: you spent a lot of time around that outdoor retailer crowd.

1720
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: And I just think I think it's important that we

1721
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 1: reach out to that crowd and connect with them, whether

1722
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: it's on public lands or gear or whatever that whatever

1723
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: the tie that binds is, I think going forward for hunters,

1724
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: that's going to be a huge one. Um, what have

1725
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 1: you in your work in that world? What have you seen?

1726
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: I mean, in my work, I'll tell you I've seen

1727
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: nothing but really acceptance. A few I got in a

1728
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: few scenarios where there's some ignorance that I had this

1729
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 1: straight now, But once I got it straightened, it was

1730
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: all good. Um. But in my work and in that industry,

1731
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: it seems like people are curious about hunting. They don't

1732
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: really understand it, but they're not completely against it if

1733
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: it's put in the right light. Don't I agree a percent?

1734
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: I mean, it's those long lines where we're talking about.

1735
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: I think that you know when you when you when

1736
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: you're at the doorway. UM, to get somebody to let

1737
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: you in their house. You know, you don't want to

1738
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 1: show up but the door with a beer and a

1739
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: gun in your hand. You show up the flowers and

1740
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 1: some cupcakes, right you You want to get in the doorway.

1741
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: And so when there's that conversation, um, and I have

1742
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 1: to deal with it, I'm sure as much as you do, well,

1743
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 1: you're not as much for quite a bit, whether it

1744
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 1: be you know, people selling us material or buckles or

1745
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: sewers or whatever. Um, you know, they find out where

1746
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: a honey company. I want to intrigue them and I

1747
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 1: want them to see what we're doing, be in goal.

1748
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 1: And so when I call him on a SAT phone

1749
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: because I'm about to place a dollar on material material

1750
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: order on the side pop of the mountains, I want

1751
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: them to fill intrigue. Did holy cow, this guy called

1752
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: me on a SAT phone. And so when I get

1753
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: back and send them photos, they're a cooling ship. We

1754
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 1: were talking to him right there and they understand and

1755
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: not just feed them the two percent kill shot picture.

1756
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 1: At the end of it, I want them to know

1757
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: the whole thing of what we're doing, what we're about,

1758
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 1: what we stand for. And so it's it's been very

1759
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: well received with who I've dealt with, um, you know

1760
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 1: on my innes things. That's good. Yeah, me too. And

1761
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: YETI I mean, like I said, we've saying before. I mean,

1762
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 1: we deal with a lot of top low athletes in

1763
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: that world and a lot of companies. I had a

1764
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: conversation with some folks at Patagonia where they weren't really

1765
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,679
Speaker 1: aware of Pittman Robertson. They weren't aware of how hunters

1766
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: get back to conservation. I mean, they were aware that

1767
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: we say that that that was one of our talking

1768
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 1: points of why hunting is is a positive thing, but

1769
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:51,799
Speaker 1: they kind of rolled their eyes at the oxymoronic nature

1770
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 1: of like killing is good for the ones that are

1771
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 1: all left after we've shot the ones we want. Um.

1772
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 1: But once we you know, once I gave some depth

1773
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 1: and breath in the conversation, they were all cool with it,

1774
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: and they were and not apologetic, but understanding of where

1775
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:10,600
Speaker 1: they where the misconceptions were in the beginning. So I

1776
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 1: just think, and I think that's a huge I mean,

1777
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 1: what's an eighty seven billion dollar communities You're talking about

1778
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 1: everybody that goes outside that doesn't have a fishing pole

1779
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 1: or a gun in their hands or a bow in

1780
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 1: their hands. So they're they're a huge crowd that I

1781
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: think is maybe seen as generally anti hunting, and then

1782
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 1: they're not. I don't think they are as a croup. Yeah, No,

1783
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean I and I get I wish what you

1784
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: do is far more when you're talking about with outdoor personalities,

1785
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: is a much higher gets in what I'm dealing with, Um,

1786
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: you know what I we we we we customate packs

1787
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: for women. Mountain climb was far more than men because

1788
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 1: they can't get them backpacking pack to victim. So I

1789
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: can only imagine what you're dealing with on that side

1790
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 1: of things as far as the different personalities. And I've

1791
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: only watched Conrad at Jimmy on TV right about Jimmy

1792
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 1: wants at the local mountaineering store. But I mean, you

1793
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: want to talk about I think Jimmy has two friends

1794
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 1: and one point two million followers. Yeah, obviously a lot

1795
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 1: of people follow him, you know what I mean? Yeah,

1796
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: for sure now, and I've you know, I know that

1797
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: we were able to introduce guy like Mark c Cat

1798
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 1: to Conrad Anchor when they both were here in Austin

1799
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 1: for one of our ambassadors Summits and next thing, I know, Uh,

1800
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: Conrad's taken seecat climate um and it's cool man. And

1801
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 1: Conrad is the first person to you know, in my

1802
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 1: brief encounters with him and just you know very he's

1803
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: a very professional, quiet guy. But I think he'd probably

1804
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 1: the first person to question hunting but also the first

1805
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 1: person to accept it if he did it the right way. So,

1806
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's in in Conrad Anchor is a freaking

1807
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: legend um and a leader in that space and pretty

1808
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: outspoken when it comes to that stuff. So I would

1809
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: just use him as a good example of somebody who's

1810
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 1: open to it. We just presented the right way and

1811
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: and we'll get it done. Next thing, we know, we'll

1812
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,679
Speaker 1: have a bunch of allies on on that side of things.

1813
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 1: That's a pretty influential group of folks that were Patty going,

1814
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: you're where north Face or or where our tereks or

1815
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:14,600
Speaker 1: whatever that might be. Yeah, no, no, I agree for

1816
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean we'd we have a couple of

1817
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 1: guys that are big wall climbers that hunt with us.

1818
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: Fred Baum is one of them, and he never hunted

1819
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 1: a day in his life and big wall climber, and

1820
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean he's a freaking nature right as far as

1821
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, as far as physically, and he just woke

1822
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: up one day and decided he wanted to bow hunt.

1823
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 1: You know, the guy was hard to kill the two

1824
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: d and three inch mule deer, his first mule deer,

1825
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:42,719
Speaker 1: eleven miles in um. Obviously he had the skill set

1826
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 1: to get back there and survive, and then you know,

1827
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: he could shoot bow enough to hit it. But he's

1828
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 1: got a pretty good grasp and in a lot of

1829
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: different industries. But it was amazing to talk to people

1830
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: like that and what got him going and kind of

1831
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: like Grogan the same way, like what sparked the intr

1832
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: And I think that could have changed dramatically if it

1833
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 1: was the entry into it was a piss pour one.

1834
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:08,640
Speaker 1: But instead it was a good one. They heard what

1835
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: they wanted to hear, They got the spark interested in,

1836
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: got them interested in the one thing might do another.

1837
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: And that's a fine example of you know, once you're

1838
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: at the doorway and make sure you're you're inviting someone

1839
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 1: in and not scaring the ship at him. Yeah, well yeah,

1840
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the best way to describe the

1841
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 1: whole conversation. Man. And it's a good thing. I had

1842
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 1: something I was driving back here before we did the podcast,

1843
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 1: and one thing I wrote down that I wanted to

1844
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: ask you was what kind of crazy? There are different things?

1845
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 1: I imagine. This is what I imagined just from knowing

1846
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 1: from from what I've seen, is what kind of crazy

1847
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: inventions are crazy? Stuff is in your pack that other

1848
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:48,680
Speaker 1: people aren't doing? Are things that over the years you

1849
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,679
Speaker 1: developed that that was something that's always in your pack.

1850
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: That's uh that you feel like unique or something that

1851
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: other other guys aren't pulling off? Um, oh you've been

1852
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 1: like for packing list, Yeah, packing lists, some gear piece

1853
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: I know. I'm sure you've got some some idiosyncrasies, like

1854
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 1: in your gear list of things you do that are

1855
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 1: a little different. I mean, as far as game changers go,

1856
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 1: it's probably surprising. One of those things is Luco tape. Um,

1857
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: most people haven't heard of it. I got turned on

1858
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 1: into a mountain climber years ago. When you have foot problems,

1859
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 1: Luco cape will stay stuck to your foot for seven

1860
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 1: days in wet conditions. And if you ever have blisters

1861
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 1: or problems, I mean, you put a band aid on

1862
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,480
Speaker 1: and wrap Luco tape over the top. You have problems

1863
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 1: and no more. Um so, I mean one of the

1864
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: things because I've had such problems with hell rubbed it

1865
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 1: is probably anti climactic as this is um Luco tape

1866
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 1: literally has been a game changer, you know for me,

1867
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 1: um it's been nine day difference, you know, as far

1868
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:56,679
Speaker 1: as maybe other things that that, uh, I guess we're

1869
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, game changers. Not to pimp out too far

1870
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 1: too much, but uh we have a wood stove that

1871
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: waste two pounds twelve ounces. Yeah, you know, obviously you

1872
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 1: have to have wood so to do it so above

1873
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 1: treeline it's not working. But having the ability to be

1874
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 1: able to have a heated sheltering, UM, that's another game changer.

1875
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: I've got a a kin foot long well it's not

1876
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 1: quite ten but tin foot long shelter. Um. You know,

1877
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,639
Speaker 1: it's six ft wide that I can get a hundred

1878
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 1: degrees inside if I want to to dry out my gear.

1879
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: You know, that's been another huge benefit for me for

1880
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: longevity in the field. That's huge. We used I've used

1881
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 1: as before. I used one with Kulkraner and Kodiak a

1882
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 1: couple of Decembers ago when it was wins. What do

1883
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 1: we have I don't know. It was like eighty mile

1884
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 1: in our winds. I mean we were we were tucked

1885
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 1: up under this little ridge that we were blocked. We

1886
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 1: had eighty million our winds and we had negative ten

1887
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 1: degree temperatures hunting blacktailed deer. And and I think he said,

1888
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 1: you gave him that the stow. We had our ten

1889
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: and if we didn't have that thing, we'd have been screwed,

1890
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah. Actually, cool Cole called me once

1891
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: because he said it wasn't burning correctly and whatever way

1892
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: he's burning, clouded the spark Er rester. Hell, it could

1893
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 1: have been with you. He was calling me and who

1894
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 1: were on the phone, and he's like, it's smoking, and

1895
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: my dude, if you checked the spark Errester. And then

1896
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 1: immediately he was like, all right, we're good. I gotta

1897
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: go alright, cool man, But I mean that's a huge

1898
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, if you you witnessed it yourself, that's a

1899
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 1: huge Yeah. Um, you know after that, I mean again,

1900
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to pimp out there an interchangeable knife. UM.

1901
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,839
Speaker 1: I used one called the Tito. Get their tito, everyone

1902
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 1: pronounce it. Um. I don't understand guys have like the

1903
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 1: the knife handed down from their grandfather's grandfather down to him.

1904
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,680
Speaker 1: But you know, having the ability to have an interchangeable

1905
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: blade knife from you're breaking down multiple animal another game changer,

1906
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:02,480
Speaker 1: um you know for me. Um. Another one to communication

1907
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 1: that DOLORMI will mount garment in reach. Um that that's

1908
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:10,799
Speaker 1: a lifesaver, especially when you're trying to run a business

1909
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 1: from the side of the mountain. I also carry I

1910
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,600
Speaker 1: also have a uh in a radium go which is

1911
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: a satellite hot spot basically, um, you know, And then

1912
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 1: I can navigate from a watch. Now I do mostly

1913
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 1: manual lad now, um you know, so I really just

1914
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:29,680
Speaker 1: need attended to good coordinate UTM grid to plot it

1915
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:31,759
Speaker 1: out on the map. I don't have to carry a GPS.

1916
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 1: Well now I have a sun too, um traverse south.

1917
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:37,760
Speaker 1: I used to run a four or one. But the

1918
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 1: point being is I can navigate so fast with such

1919
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 1: a small amount of weight. Has been another huge thing

1920
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 1: for me as well. Is there I'm just googling everything

1921
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 1: bookmark like what you're saying. We'll put a list out

1922
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: of this stuff, um in the blog post for this.

1923
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 1: But so the Tito knives, is there any reason you

1924
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: going with those? I mean, you're rolling with sixty A

1925
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 1: blades just like the regular avalon. Are you going number

1926
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:06,599
Speaker 1: twenty two s or what? I gotta keep it somewhat secret.

1927
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 1: But he's got a new blade that's more unbreakable. But yeah,

1928
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,639
Speaker 1: so I usually carry sixty and twenty kes. I don't

1929
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 1: carry as many of the the caping blades that I

1930
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:23,600
Speaker 1: do the others. But the I ran Piranha forever um,

1931
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 1: but the knife would get gunked up and it was

1932
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: a little bulkier. Well, the Tito I can actually put

1933
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:32,440
Speaker 1: in my chest. I run a Laska Guy Creation chest harness.

1934
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 1: There's a pocket in the back of it. I just

1935
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 1: leave the blade off and I have those flat blades

1936
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 1: in their packages, and I can run that knife flat

1937
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 1: in that chest. It's as flat as a blade of

1938
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:45,680
Speaker 1: a butter knife. Um. And then you know when I

1939
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,640
Speaker 1: when I take something or you know, when something is

1940
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 1: on the ground, I just popped that blade on and

1941
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 1: so it weighs less. There's no gunk there, it's easy

1942
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 1: to clean. And again it's low profile. So that's one

1943
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 1: of the reasons left. That is the main reason that

1944
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 1: that title has been like a huge benefit in comparison

1945
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 1: to a foldable. Um, I this is just a flat piece,

1946
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 1: so it's super handy. Yeah, that's I'm saying. I'm just

1947
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 1: looking at that. Now I'm putting some stuff in a cart.

1948
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that knife flux badass. Um. But that

1949
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 1: al Aska guy creations. What's different about that? I mean

1950
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:22,840
Speaker 1: is that I mean it's changing a little bit of

1951
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 1: from a he started it all for one, I mean

1952
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:30,640
Speaker 1: everyone's pretty much copied him. Um. But the reason I

1953
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 1: like it. A lot of people don't like the They

1954
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 1: make a little profile one, but I wear a little

1955
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: bit bigger one. So try Ox Saint tablets. I carry

1956
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 1: an inside this Triox Saint tablets. I mean you can

1957
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: fart in it'll light that is huge. It'll burn in water.

1958
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 1: And so for a firestarter survival, I carry a Trax

1959
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 1: Saint tablet in that chest rig. I carry a petsel

1960
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 1: E light, which is this tiny headlamp that wass a

1961
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 1: half an hour. I don't know that I've ever changed

1962
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 1: the battery on one. I mean, you're not gonna be

1963
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:05,760
Speaker 1: spotlighting from two out, but it'll keep you alive. I

1964
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 1: keep that in there. That the Tito knife or Title knife,

1965
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 1: some extra blades. I actually have a garment four oh one,

1966
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:16,799
Speaker 1: um GPS watch that I carried in that as well,

1967
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 1: your tags basically in a flint and steel or a lighter.

1968
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 1: So I can survive for quite some time with what's

1969
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 1: in that chest rig And I also like the fact

1970
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 1: that it covers the lens caps of my optics. But

1971
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:32,719
Speaker 1: I mean just the fact of what I have in there.

1972
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 1: If I get separated my from my pack, one I

1973
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 1: have a GPS unit either on my wrist or in

1974
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:42,200
Speaker 1: my chest harness that's got my GPS mark. Then I

1975
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 1: don't know how many times I've dropped my pack when

1976
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 1: I stock the fox come in and one around like

1977
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:49,640
Speaker 1: an idiot. I don't have that problem anymore. Um. And

1978
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,760
Speaker 1: then obviously being able to break the animal down with

1979
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 1: what's on your chest is a big one. And being

1980
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 1: able to start a fire. Um. So you have some

1981
01:41:56,520 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 1: key essential things in that and that's that chester does

1982
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: not leave my side at any time. In the optics

1983
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,680
Speaker 1: are the least important part of it. Yeah, that's the

1984
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 1: first I've heard that that. I love that. I love

1985
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 1: that analogy. If you've got to have what's on your

1986
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 1: chest or what's in your pockets, even then it is

1987
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:19,919
Speaker 1: more important to you. What what model I'm doing some shoppings.

1988
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 1: Everybody can just just bear with me. What model for

1989
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 1: that Alaska Gay Creations? Do you know it's called the grizzly. Yep, yeah,

1990
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: I see it here. Cool I have. I have a

1991
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 1: CoDIAK and a grizzly. Actually that I have a CoDIAK cub,

1992
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 1: which is for you know, basically spotting stock outside the truck,

1993
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 1: but the grizzly in the in the CoDIAK or that's

1994
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 1: who I run the know. Are you running? Have you

1995
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 1: ever run high power of box? Or you run always

1996
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 1: running a spot or out on the mountain. Yeah, I so, man,

1997
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty optics up. I always run tins on

1998
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 1: a tripod um, but a lot of times i'm a

1999
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:02,600
Speaker 1: hubblefing in. So I packed ninety five around a lot

2000
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 1: um and so, depending upon what we're doing, I run

2001
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 1: tins in the ninety five. I've run that ninety four forever.

2002
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 1: I've run a lot of other spotters, but I mean

2003
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:15,879
Speaker 1: that ninety five with me a lot and um sometimes

2004
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 1: I'll run fifteen like um, you know a lot of

2005
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 1: times scouting will actually pack in the nifteen and ten.

2006
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 1: But for the most part, like if the zombies come

2007
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,280
Speaker 1: and I gotta grab three to pick them ountain pop

2008
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 1: their heads off, I'm grabbing my tins in the nine.

2009
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah that's kind of I'm the same way, almost almost

2010
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 1: exactly the same. But I've hunted with Ronella and Incous

2011
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 1: of your country and he was running those outdoorsmen um

2012
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 1: tripods and he was popping its fifteens on there and

2013
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:49,439
Speaker 1: kicking my ass on spotting. So in that Outdoorsman tripods, like,

2014
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: I actually just picked up a really right stuff, which

2015
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 1: is a ridiculously Chris tripod, but it was for the

2016
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 1: system for photography and glassing. But yeah, I mean, you

2017
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 1: get fifteens on a tripod, you're gonna do some damage. Um.

2018
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 1: I don't think you can be outglassed with fifteens, just

2019
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:09,480
Speaker 1: for the simple factor power the field of view. Um,

2020
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 1: you know there's a limit to them. You also need

2021
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:16,520
Speaker 1: to spotter. But you know, if you're not a trophy hunter. Um,

2022
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 1: you know when I say trophy, if you're not counting

2023
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:20,680
Speaker 1: the inches right, like you're like, oh, that's a good deal,

2024
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go shoot it. Probably not needed. You can

2025
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 1: see plenty with tens or fifteen. Yeah, that makes total sense.

2026
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:29,920
Speaker 1: We'll have to get you to give us as much

2027
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 1: of the gearless as you'll divulge, because that's stuff. Um.

2028
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 1: You know, I really just got into back country. Really

2029
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 1: what I can consider, you know, serious back country stuff

2030
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 1: here in the last two or three years. But that's

2031
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:43,799
Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts is going through my system

2032
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 1: and tweaking at every single hunt and getting it better

2033
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 1: and understanding how to get lighter and how to get

2034
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:51,639
Speaker 1: even You just talking about the gear that's on your chest.

2035
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 1: Hopefully people listen to this, think about that, think about

2036
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 1: how that could change the game for you where you

2037
01:44:57,640 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 1: where a certain gear lives on your body when you're

2038
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 1: out there for weeks on end. I mean give you

2039
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: an example, um, for people listening to an example. Yeah,

2040
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:10,959
Speaker 1: I generally never dropped my pack anyway until the final approach.

2041
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: But you dropped your pack for the primal approach. You

2042
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:18,840
Speaker 1: take the shot, adrenaline takes over. You make a less

2043
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:21,679
Speaker 1: than perfect shot. A lot of times you're gonna chase

2044
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:26,800
Speaker 1: after that animal. Adrenaline is flowing. You dropped down a cliff. Okay,

2045
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 1: you dropped down that cliff, and now you can't get

2046
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 1: back up it. You've got an animal down there. You've

2047
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 1: got yourself down there and you've got no pack, and

2048
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 1: you've got a long ways to hook up and around

2049
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:40,720
Speaker 1: just to get out of there. Okay, not a problem, right,

2050
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:44,879
Speaker 1: Well a storm blows in. Now you've got no clothing,

2051
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:48,120
Speaker 1: You've got an animal on the ground. You've got to

2052
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 1: figure out what's what, who's too and you need to

2053
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:52,880
Speaker 1: figure it out quick because it's going to take you

2054
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 1: a long time. And you've got no rain gear and

2055
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 1: so you can break the animal down. Now you can

2056
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 1: eat the animal. Hell boodycause you've got a kniphone, you've

2057
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:02,880
Speaker 1: got a way to build a fire, and you've got

2058
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:07,000
Speaker 1: a GPS to get you back home. Quicker. That happens

2059
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 1: every year, two hundreds of people at a NACT scenario,

2060
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 1: and most people take off and they've got lint in

2061
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 1: their pocket and that is it. Well, everything is on

2062
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: my chest that I need. And another thing we've done

2063
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:22,679
Speaker 1: is Cafar has built a lot of lids that work

2064
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 1: as final approach packs. So when you do drop your

2065
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 1: your pack, we have one called the Native that I

2066
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:32,960
Speaker 1: designed that goes along with that chest rig to throw

2067
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:35,880
Speaker 1: my puffy jacket in my rein gear on a final

2068
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:39,680
Speaker 1: far stock so I even have that next level of

2069
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 1: survival in case I get pinned down for a long time,

2070
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 1: and especially with the recurve where you have to get

2071
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 1: really close getting pinned down for five, six, seven hours,

2072
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 1: is it very possible? And so in that I've got

2073
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: my t shirt, my smile, and my sandwich and then

2074
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: I've got my chest rig that's got everything else. Yeah,

2075
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 1: that's huge. It's just piece like the systematic nature of

2076
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 1: how you pack your stuff, and I've I've kind of

2077
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:07,040
Speaker 1: gotten to that. I've got so many stuff sacks with

2078
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:09,719
Speaker 1: all kinds of different stuff, and I started color coding

2079
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: things and marking things with tape and getting really really

2080
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 1: ridiculously intricate. But that's part of it, man. Part of

2081
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:18,120
Speaker 1: living out of a backpack, which you've done a million

2082
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 1: times more than I have. Part of living is being

2083
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 1: organized because that can be the you know, the difference

2084
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 1: between success or not success. And that's a great example

2085
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 1: that you just gave. You know, having your ship together

2086
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 1: can be warm and and kind of dialed in or

2087
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:34,680
Speaker 1: shivering and really knocked out into what that animals do

2088
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: and just trying to stay alive. Yeah. Yeah, And if

2089
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 1: you watch like Frank and I go at it when

2090
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:41,680
Speaker 1: we head in. It's it's it's really it's an art

2091
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 1: of how this the camp gets set up, where it

2092
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:49,240
Speaker 1: gets set up, why, who's doing what and when in

2093
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 1: a rhythm um, unlike you'll see really with a lot

2094
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:57,639
Speaker 1: of other you know, people going hunting. You know, there's

2095
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:01,760
Speaker 1: a system we have in that system is very precise

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01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 1: and it and it works very well. And you know,

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01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 1: the more you do it, the better the system gets.

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Speaker 1: And we're lucky enough we get to do we can

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01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 1: do it pretty good. Yeah. Well, unfortunately for me now

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01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 1: I'm going down this rabbit hole with all of I'm

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01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:17,080
Speaker 1: writing down everything you mentioned. Everybody listener will post it up,

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01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 1: But for me tonight it's alrighty late in the evening.

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01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 1: I'll probably spend the next hour going going down the

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01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: gear rabbit hole. But I love it, man, I love it.

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01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:25,800
Speaker 1: And it's just it's another thing about hunting that you

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01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:28,040
Speaker 1: can freaking love. That's just another thing to get wrapped

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01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 1: up in of all the ridiculous things that we get

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01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 1: wrapped up, wrapped up in. So I appreciate the insight

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01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:37,160
Speaker 1: on that and um, the inside and everything else. Man,

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01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:39,799
Speaker 1: this has been This may be the longest hunting collective

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01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 1: podcast ever for damn good reason. It's a scary conversation. Yeah, well, no,

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01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad you have me on. And yet we'll have

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01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:48,120
Speaker 1: to do another one and just talk gear because I

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01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:50,600
Speaker 1: can talk to that. I know. How long do you do?

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01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 1: How long are the photocasts? Do you guys ever do

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01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 1: like three or four hour ones like Rogan does? No, No,

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01:48:56,479 --> 01:48:59,639
Speaker 1: not that, not really. Um, you know, but I haven't

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01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 1: had went on there um on that long where I

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Speaker 1: knew I couldn't get him back, and so a lot

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Speaker 1: of times I'm like, all right, well, we'll get you

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01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:10,480
Speaker 1: back next week. We had a guy named Harold Farrenbrook.

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01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 1: He's killed more ships than smallpox with a re curve

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01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:17,599
Speaker 1: and uh, it's relatively unknown the some of them us

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01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 1: just got a cell phone for the first time. In fact,

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01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,040
Speaker 1: we hated each other when we first met because I

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01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:25,120
Speaker 1: told him I get him a pack and he's calling

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01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 1: me and I'm texting him and he sends me to

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01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 1: skated email. You're blowing me off, And I'm like, dude,

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01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 1: I've texted you like twenty times and he's like, I

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01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 1: don't own a cell phone, dude. It's two thousand seven

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01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 1: teams to fuck you mean you own a cell phone? Well,

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01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 1: it's just how he lives. He's unworldly, he's unbelievable. He's

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01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:45,240
Speaker 1: just amazing. Man, we get on right now, well having him,

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01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:47,000
Speaker 1: I think we've had him on three times when we're

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01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:48,920
Speaker 1: still not board yet, So we could have easily pulled

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01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:51,960
Speaker 1: a four or five hour podcast. But that's the great

2137
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,559
Speaker 1: thing about this this podcast thing. You can do it forever, man,

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01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 1: And it's not to me, you know this. I think

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01:49:57,479 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 1: this will be episode number ten or something like that.

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01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:04,519
Speaker 1: And to me, it's just one long conversation just keeps going.

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01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:06,759
Speaker 1: A lot of the same stuff comes up. So people

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01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 1: I listen to a lot. I'm sure you're the same way.

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01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:11,040
Speaker 1: But this is one long, kick ass conversation. And I'm

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01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:13,519
Speaker 1: sure you know you can look back on this, and

2145
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 1: I can look back on mine years from now, and

2146
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 1: kind of we'll probably be smarter, maybe we'll be dumber,

2147
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:21,519
Speaker 1: who knows, but we'll probably be smarter and better hunters

2148
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 1: and better people and look back on some of the

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01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 1: things we said and did and laugh. But man, it's

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01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:29,400
Speaker 1: cool to have it all recorded. Yeah, No, for for sure, definitely.

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01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 1: You know I talked about writing the book, right, like

2152
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 1: your book, the book of your life and the different chapters.

2153
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of a book inside of a book because

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01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 1: if you're writing your your different chapters, now you have

2155
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:41,640
Speaker 1: a podcast in one of them. So it's kind of

2156
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 1: cool because, yeah, the documentation of everything that goes on,

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01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 1: everything you say, I look back at ones that Brian

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01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 1: and I did and even how things have changed, even

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01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 1: gear like you know, things change in life, things you

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01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:56,760
Speaker 1: learn different things that it's always mating. You look back

2161
01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 1: in a podcast is definitely a great way to do that. Yeah, man, Well,

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01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 1: I definitely uh in big fan of years and appreciate

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01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:04,639
Speaker 1: everything you do. And we've got to have at least

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01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 1: if not a beer or six. Uh, I spend some

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01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:08,960
Speaker 1: time on the mountains. Sounds like I'd learned a ton

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01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 1: and and either way, I appreciate everything that you mean

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01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,559
Speaker 1: to this world. And I gotta get a far pack

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01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:17,800
Speaker 1: and run around the mountin with you. Yeah, no, that

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01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:19,679
Speaker 1: sounds like a plane man. Yeah, we'll have to plan

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01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 1: a hunt together sometimes, something extreme where we're close to death.

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01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 1: Those are always a good one, definitely. I Once you

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01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:29,639
Speaker 1: do that, you just want to take it further every

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01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 1: time I've I was close to death last year a

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Speaker 1: couple of times, and uh, this year, I haven't yet been,

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01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:36,080
Speaker 1: so I'm not quite as happy with with with life.

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01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:39,000
Speaker 1: So I'm with you, man, I'm there. I've got an

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Speaker 1: opening on a goat and hunt this year, so maybe

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01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:42,839
Speaker 1: you can join on that one. That should be interesting.

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01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 1: I got a lot of new gear I'm about to

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01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:50,760
Speaker 1: buy for that hunt. So do all right, dude, appreciate everything? Yeah, no,

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01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:53,120
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on, man, and definitely the fan

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01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 1: of yours as well, and I definitely wanted to link

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01:51:55,240 --> 01:52:02,759
Speaker 1: up cool talk soon. Right. That's it. That's all number

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01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 1: ten in the books. We made it to double digits.

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01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:09,800
Speaker 1: We've got about twelve hours a little bit more than

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01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:13,559
Speaker 1: twelve hours of hunting conversation in the books, with some

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01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:17,519
Speaker 1: freaking awesome guests. You know. I'm sure there's lots of

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Speaker 1: milestones and podcasting. I don't know that ten is any

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01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 1: bigger than nine or eleven, but I think every time

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01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:25,760
Speaker 1: I put one of these out, I feel like there's

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01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 1: my stone out there. And so I want to thank

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Speaker 1: Aaron Snyder for being guest number ten and for providing

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01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 1: a lot of insight for this conversation. And he just

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01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 1: talks about some of these issues in a different way.

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01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:42,120
Speaker 1: It strikes me that a guy like Shane Mahoney or

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01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 1: a guy like Charles Post, who were former guests of

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01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 1: this podcast, speaks so differently about the same issues, but

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01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 1: they're still driving at the same point that Aaron is

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01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 1: um than he is at at his core, a good

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01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:59,080
Speaker 1: person and a good guy who talks to really about

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01:52:59,120 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 1: anything and hunting. So I hope you enjoyed that conversation.

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01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:05,080
Speaker 1: I really did. I didn't know Aaron very well going

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01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 1: into this. I feel like I want to get to

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01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 1: know him a lot better afterwards. I was very, very

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01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:12,439
Speaker 1: impressed by everything he had to say and just who

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01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:14,439
Speaker 1: he is and what he means the hunting industry. So

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01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 1: hopefully we can have a good strike up a great

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01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:20,360
Speaker 1: relationship here at the Honey Collective with Aaron Snyder, and

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Speaker 1: hopefully all of you are starting to flow with us

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01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:26,759
Speaker 1: and enjoy these conversations as they come out every week.

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01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 1: If you want to hear more, you can go to

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01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:34,479
Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective dot com. As always you'll find our boy,

2213
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:40,560
Speaker 1: Stephen Ranella, Remy Warren, John Dudley, all Remarkus, Shane Mahoney,

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01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 1: Charles Post Sam so hold Man. There's just a lot

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01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:48,000
Speaker 1: of them tend to be exact, and you'll find them

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01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,680
Speaker 1: all there at the Hunting Collective dot com. Wells some

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01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:54,120
Speaker 1: articles and videos to supplement them. Uh, you can go

2218
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 1: to Stitcher and two iTunes. Hopefully by the time this

2219
01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:00,160
Speaker 1: airs will have Google Play in the mix, so I

2220
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:01,880
Speaker 1: have YouTube in the mix. We're talking about a lot

2221
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 1: of things, trying to get this up on all the

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01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:06,200
Speaker 1: platforms that needs to be on, So stick with us

2223
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:09,000
Speaker 1: on that. If there's something that you would like to

2224
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:12,000
Speaker 1: hear that you're not hearing, Holler will make it happen.

2225
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 1: Heading to Boise, Idaho tomorrow morning for the back country

2226
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 1: hundreds of Anglers rendezvous, so be there Thursday and Friday. Uh,

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01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:28,320
Speaker 1: this will probably go out Thursday morning. So hopefully you're

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01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:30,280
Speaker 1: listening to this and you're headed over to the rendezvous,

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01:54:30,600 --> 01:54:33,520
Speaker 1: I'll see you there. I'll be hanging out all over

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01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 1: the place. Hopefully I'll see you at that creative. Then

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Speaker 1: until next time, episode number eleven coming at you. Stay

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Speaker 1: tuned for that. See you eight