1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull that. 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 3: For I've heard so many players say, well, I want 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 3: to be happy. You want to be happy for Dake 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 3: Edo State? 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: Is that whoo whoo? 7 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 3: And them and tie. 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein. Slowly but surely, your West Coast identity is 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: being stripped from you. 10 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: Oh how much time do you have? How much time 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: do you talk about college football? Wise or just in life? 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: I was talking about college football, but life is probably 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: a broader discussion. 14 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it absolutely is. Yes, No, the Midwest has fully 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: engulfed my spirit and for better or worse, A lot 16 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: of ways. Better I would sor I would argue, but yes, 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: I have been engulfed by the great American Midwest personally 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: and professionally. 19 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 2: Indeed, well, welcome back, one and all. Hopefully you've been 20 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: with us all throughout previous season. We started with the 21 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 2: Group of five, We made our way through the ACC 22 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: see the Big Twelve in the SEC last episode Today 23 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: marks I guess the start of our final three parter 24 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: on our final power conference, and that of course is 25 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: the Big Ten, the eighteen team Big Ten that yes, 26 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: includes Oregon and USC and Washington and UCLA We're going 27 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: to get into all of that and much much more, 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: not just the storylines, but also give you our contender 29 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: tiers and how these teams stack up against one another. 30 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: We're going to do all that today in part one. 31 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: Parts two and three are going to be more team focused. 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 2: We're going to split the conference up into two nine 33 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: and nine Episodes two and three are going to go 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: into more detail about each of these teams, what they 35 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: did in the offseason, what you can expect ahead in 36 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Dan Rubenstein, I believe that's the plan. 37 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: We still got Notre Dame. We still got some other 38 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 2: stuff that we're going to do after work. We're finished 39 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: with the Big ten. Excuse me, but that's where things 40 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: are headed in the immediate future. 41 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: I mean, if you want, I can put thirty seconds 42 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: on the clock right now. We can just run through 43 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: your Notre Dame. 44 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no no note. 45 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 3: It on the clock. 46 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: No no no. The people demand more. 47 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 3: I'll put some flight of the Bumblebee or some sort 48 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: of copyright free music. I don't know if that's out 49 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: of I think it is public domain. Like I'll get it. 50 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 3: You going, ty, Are you sure? Two great about the 51 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 3: secondary right liter we'll see with his injury, receivers should 52 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: pop a little bit. More offensive line, more cohesive. Defensive 53 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: line should be strong. Oh, we're good on that note. 54 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: Hit follow, hit subscribe so that you don't miss that, 55 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: or really any of our fun here. This pre season, 56 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: we've been doing previews out the wazoo. We've got much 57 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: more to come before the season gets rolling, but it 58 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: is getting awfully big in the window, and so as 59 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: we get a little bit closer, we will update those 60 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: Patreon tiers and our games and all the fun stuff 61 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: out at for bowlers dot com, the ad free listening, 62 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: the bonus content, what have you. Of course, you can 63 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: follow along across social media wherever it is. 64 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: You've got a social media app. 65 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: On your phone or on your computer, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, 66 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: Twitter x whatever, We've got them all. Sure you hit 67 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: followed there as well, so that you don't miss anything 68 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: that Dan and I have to say. But yeah, today 69 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: is Big Ten Part one. Yeah, buddy, mister Reubenstein called 70 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: Kenny Loggins because you're in the danger zone the Big ten. 71 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: Ooh, okay, see, I think she nailed that one. She 72 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: glitched a little with the SEC. I think she's a 73 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: Big ten homer. Perhaps our fembot is like a Minnesota 74 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: grad or something. I don't know. 75 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: It's great, It's entirely possible. The SEC version that we 76 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: created with the female robot voice had a little bit 77 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: too much space between the S and the EC. Yes, 78 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: you see, so I had to chop it down and 79 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: it did sound like it glitched a little bit. But 80 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: that's okay. 81 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: Ty. You're a gambling man, yes, at times you found 82 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: yourself wagering on sports, I hopefully in the legal way. 83 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: If I said fifteen and a half, if I were 84 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: setting an over under a fifteen and a half for 85 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: the entirety of the season, how many times I call 86 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: Will Howard Walker Howard, Oh my gosh, what action? What 87 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: direction are you going? 88 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: I probably go under because I give you credit, but 89 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: you've done it in the past, and I wouldn't put 90 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: it past you to do it again. 91 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I'm going to approach that number, and 92 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: you have to be you have to extend grace in 93 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 3: my direction. I'm speaking to everybody, not just Heal. 94 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: A lot of change in the Big ten eighteen teams 95 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: now a third of the Conference six teams have new coaches, 96 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: a ton of new coordinators, a ton of incoming transfers. 97 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: We will do our best to go through a lot 98 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: of that. But before we get into the nitty gritty, 99 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 2: bigger picture, higher level storylines that jumped out at you 100 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: as you were going through this conference. 101 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: Well, it's size, right essentially, the Big Ten is you 102 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: think you told me the Premier the Premier League has 103 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: twenty clubs, correct, So this is we're approaching. This is 104 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: just a league. This is not a conference. There are 105 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 3: no no more divisions like this is an entity unlike 106 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: any other conference, for better or worse in college football. 107 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 3: So that that was the first thing that struck me. 108 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 3: That like in ways that we could before kind of 109 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 3: describe a league like the West Coast is developing these quarterbacks, 110 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 3: and you know the Big twelve has these wide open 111 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: systems and the air raid and the SEC. For a 112 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: long time it was sort of man ball attacks and 113 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: the Big Ten similar right, that you'd have like you know, 114 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 3: Ron Daine and Anthony Thomas and those types of players. 115 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 3: Like the bigger these conferences get, especially with the Big Ten, 116 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: the less we're able to define them in any singular way. 117 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: As much as people want to say, like, how are 118 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: these West Coast teams going to deal with like all 119 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: the beef and physicality at the line of scrimmage, Like 120 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 3: I don't know, Like there's a lot of these teams 121 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 3: that have been playing in this conference that haven't had 122 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: that or haven't had offense. Like there are a lot 123 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: of one note situations in this conference in a way 124 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 3: that there really weren't before. So it's it's nice that 125 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: we can't define things, but it also blurs lines in 126 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 3: a new way. I guess we're. 127 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: Used to doing these previews. 128 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 2: We've done these previous now for however many years it's 129 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: been since we started the show back in eight and 130 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: oftentimes when you get towards the end, you start feeling 131 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: like the whole exercise is getting a little long in 132 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: the tooth. You know, it's just rinselather repeat, rinselather repeat. 133 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: This is not me phishing for sympathy. This is just 134 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: me being honest with you. Yeah, the Big Ten was 135 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: such a slog to get through because there are so 136 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: many teams. We split teams up. I've got nine, you've 137 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: got nine, but we still need to know all eighteen 138 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: to have a part one conversation about tears and storylines 139 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 2: and whatnot. Definitely, it took forever to go through this 140 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: confidence just for me personally, I can't speak for you. 141 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: It took me longer than ever to go through all 142 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 2: of these teams to feel like I was educated and 143 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: informed enough that I could offer opinions on this episode. 144 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 2: They need to make these conferences smaller, if only for 145 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: the podcasters and content creators are. 146 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 3: Very specific grouping of people. 147 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: This is me being selfish, Yeah, but it's a lot. 148 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: It's a lot, And if you're just a fan out there, 149 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: maybe who doesn't have to follow all of the teams 150 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: the way that we do, I think this can be 151 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: very dizzying, not just with four teams from the West 152 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: Coast joining in this new world order of college football, 153 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: but just in general an eighteen team league. Like you said, 154 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: it's the premier league. There is so much to discuss 155 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: here on these next three episode, this episode, in the 156 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: next two. I guess that we're going to do our 157 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: best to try and keep each episode two an hour, 158 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: but we can't make any guarantees there. 159 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: There's just a lot to discuss. 160 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: I would argue, and this is this is purely anecdotal 161 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: in talking to like Michigan people in my life, Wisconsin 162 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: people in my life, Illinois people in my life, because 163 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: that's again the Midwest has engulfed me in talking to them. 164 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 3: Unless you are a specific team blogger, unless you are 165 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: a diehard on message boards, unless you are following your 166 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: team in May, June, July, whatever, and looking at the 167 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: portal and looking at you know whatever, people don't know 168 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: their own teams in the way that they used to, 169 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: and whether that's a portal thing, whether that's an nil thing, 170 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: whether that's a just like got more interested in other 171 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: sports thing along the way that I talked to fans 172 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: of these teams, legit fans who watch every single game, 173 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, we might have good receivers if 174 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: like this guy from Youngstown State works out, or this 175 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: freshman who had three catches last year works out. Like 176 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: because there is so much change to rosters and systems 177 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: and coordinators coming in and out that people have never 178 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 3: had less of a handle on their own teams. In 179 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: my experience as an expert of not having a handle 180 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: on team same same, I feel that vibe from people 181 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: I speak with who legitimately care about their teams, and 182 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: that's just the experience I've had with Big Ten people 183 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: around me. 184 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: Oh. I had a conversation yesterday with a close friend 185 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: of mine who's a big time USC fan and perhaps 186 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: muscle memory, maybe just a slip of the mind, asked, Hey, 187 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: what is the PAC twelve look like this year? Oh? 188 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: Exactly right, it. 189 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: Looks a lot different, my friend, trust me on that one. 190 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: On that note, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington joining the conference 191 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: from the PAC twelve, we found a lot of very 192 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 2: interesting travel situations for these schools that I think we'll 193 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: get into with a little bit more detail as we 194 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: get into team previews. But that is certainly a factor 195 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: that I think could be interesting to follow as this 196 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: bigger Big Ten season kicks off in twenty twenty four. 197 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: I think the prevailing storyline for me, as I kind 198 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: of put all these teams up against each other, was 199 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: just how much each team outside of the top two, 200 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: which I consider to be Oregon and Organ and Ohio 201 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: State those two, nearly every other team is either dependent 202 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: on getting big time quarterback played to buoy their offense 203 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: or otherwise has some gigantic question mark about their offense 204 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: going into this season. A lot of offensive question marks 205 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: just in gener role from what I could see, and 206 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: I think that makes it interesting whenever you've got a 207 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: fatal flaw or a near fatal flaw for a great 208 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: number of teams, and it's all the same kind of 209 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: thing that tends to lead the interesting conversation. I do 210 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: think Ohio State and Oregon have their own offensive questions, 211 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: but probably in a different class from the other sixteen teams. 212 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we both could have told you that 213 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: in January, after watching Big Ten football in short twenty three, 214 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: that there are a ton of offensive questions, and like 215 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: even the top of the conference last year, just with 216 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 3: what Michigan lost and Ohio State having what I think 217 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 3: was its worst like points per drive offense in the 218 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 3: Ryan Day era, and you know beyond that that, yeah, 219 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 3: this was going to be a conference searching for a 220 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 3: lot of offensive answers. I actually joked with our buddy 221 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: Bill Connolly. I read all of his previews as part 222 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: of the research with regard to the Big Ten and 223 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 3: the number of different ways that he correctly states that 224 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: not just Big Ten teams, but everywhere, if this defensive 225 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 3: line transfer works out from this small school, if this 226 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: if this Youngstown State receiver works out, if this Charlotte 227 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: tight end works out, if this Odu linebacker works out, 228 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: they might have something. Yeah, because who's to say out 229 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 3: any of this. Everybody's hoping they find the next Khalil 230 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: Mack or whatever from the MAC. But it's not that easy. 231 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: And so yes, I think that offensive question from the 232 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 3: top on down really just because of the new quarterbacks, 233 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: a lot of new coordinators, a lot of new skill 234 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: position talent. Obviously people looking for line answers everywhere in 235 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 3: this conference. Yeah, there's a lot to be answered for 236 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 3: and it'll be answered quickly. 237 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: We've got six new coaches, as is said at the top, 238 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith at Michigan State, Jedfish at Washington, the Sean 239 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: Foster at UCLA who had an auspicious start to his 240 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: UCLA tenure at Big ten Media. 241 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: But you saw he had like a shirt at practice 242 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: like the next day or two days later that said 243 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: we're in LA I appreciate it, which was his awkward stumbling. 244 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: So he steered into it like that. 245 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: We have Kurt Signetti at Indiana, and then Sharon Moore 246 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 2: notably at Michigan promoted from within. Also David Brawn. I'm 247 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: not going to say promoted from within This year was 248 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: last year was the introm had a really good season, 249 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: and they remove the interim label. 250 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: So it's Smith, Fish, Foster, Signetti, Moore. 251 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:25,239 Speaker 2: And Braun as your six newcomers a top their respective programs. 252 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: Some interesting hires on the coordinator side, of course, I 253 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: think the headliners are Chip Kelly. Chip Kelly leaving the 254 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: UCLA head coaching job to take over the offense for 255 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: Ohio State, Danton Lynn taking over the defense, also leaving 256 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: UCLA taking over the defense for USC Penn State. Two 257 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: new coordinators, two big time hires. One Andy kotel Nikki 258 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: comes over from Kansas to run the offense. Tom Allen, 259 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: the outgoing now coach of Indiana, was relieved of command. 260 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: He's going to take over the defense. Make some tweaks. 261 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: Iowa going in a differ direction at offensive coordinator didn't 262 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 2: work out with Brian Big It did not work out 263 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 2: with Brian tim Lester is going to be the new 264 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. And then we got just a bunch of 265 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: other guys here, frankly that were added to new staves 266 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: as new coaching. Thank you new coaching. New head coaches 267 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: took over. Jed Fish going with the All Name All 268 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: Stars with Brennan Carroll the son of Pete and Steve 269 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: Belichick the son of Bill. Eric Bienemy going to be 270 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 2: running the offense for Deshaun Foster. Who's your guy for Northwestern? 271 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 2: The offensive coordinator? How do we want to say his. 272 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: Zach Lujon Luzanne. I don't know how you pronounce his 273 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: last name. He's under thirty, so when he turns thirty, 274 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: I promised to learn the correct pronunciation of his last name. No, 275 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,479 Speaker 3: very exciting, hopefully. I mean, I don't know if Northwestern 276 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: has the talent to be as exciting as his offenses 277 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: were at South Dakota State, But yes, he is somebody 278 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: that like in deep coaching circles, they're looking forward to seeing, 279 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 3: you know, Nate Tice mentioned him on our show, to 280 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 3: seeing what he's able to do in Evan. 281 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: Sharon Moore is going with Kirk Campbell at offensive coordinator, 282 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: Promote from within and Wink Martindale picking another one off 283 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: of the NFL, the Ravens Tree I guess coming in 284 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: to run that defense. And we'll talk more about that 285 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: as we get into Michigan. This is not an all 286 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: inclusive list. There are plenty of others. Corey Heatherman running 287 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: the defense now for Minnesota. Like I could go through 288 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: a long list of guys, but we'll get into that more, 289 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: I promise as we get into our individual team previews. 290 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: A Mike Shanahan. 291 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: A Mike Shanahan. Yes, that's going to be going to 292 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: be running some offense for Kurt Signetti at Indiana. And 293 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: then big time transfers. Again, it's kind of the name 294 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: of the game these days. We talked about it a 295 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: lot on our last three episodes with the SEC. But 296 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel going from Oklahoma to Oregon, Aiden Childs going 297 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: from Oregon State to Michigan State, Quinn Shawn Judkins a 298 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: big deal, maybe a bigger deal in the NCAA or 299 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: College Football video games series where he's got a deadly 300 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: spin move. 301 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: Oh, it is ridiculous, that makes sense. 302 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: They need to patch it. It's really bad. 303 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: Okay. 304 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: He is stepping in alongside Trevion Henderson in that Ohio 305 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: State backfield to give them a little bit more pop 306 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: in the running game. Julian Fleming coming to Penn State, 307 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: Evan Stewart going to Oregon. Both Jabbar Mohammad and Kobe 308 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: Savage going into that Oregon defensive backfield. 309 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: Caleb Downs how can I wait this long dimension? 310 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: Caleb Downs going from Alabama to that Ohio State defensive 311 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: backfield as well. Again, not an all inclusive list. Transfers 312 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: are the name of the game these days, but those 313 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: are some of the headliners that I think jumped off 314 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: the page to me, such Curtis Roarke does. 315 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: And Curtis Roark and Cardiss work out and out Curtis Rourke. 316 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 3: I'm starting out how I feel about Indiana. They're your 317 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: team in part two or part three. But yes, yeah, 318 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: it was a huge season, and you know, I still 319 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: think the biggest transfer of all was Chip Kelly UCLA 320 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: to Ohio State, an interconference head coach two coordinator. Just 321 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: a very odd situation, but I think could be enormous 322 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: for the buck Eyes as they look to be the 323 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 3: favorite in the conference. And we'll get into contending tiers 324 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 3: in a moment. But yeah, a lot of these teams, 325 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: Ohio State, it's sort of passe and cliche to say that, Like, 326 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: you know, their most important transfers were everybody they convinced 327 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 3: to stay that's in Columbus right, that they weren't turning 328 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: pro or they weren't seeking opportunities elsewhere, more of an 329 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 3: nil thing, more of a hopefully belief in what Ryan 330 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: Day is going to turn around at Ohio State, which 331 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: is a very specific way of mentioning beings for the 332 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: first time in a few years. But yeah, that was 333 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: an enormous job that was done their Oregon of course 334 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: brings in a ton. You have the defending champ, the 335 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: defending champ that we haven't sort of mentioned that they're 336 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: the defending national champion, Michigan Wolverines. I think is it's 337 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: gone a little bit under the radar just because of 338 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh leaving and how just how many was it 339 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: thirteen players drafted into the NFL. 340 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: I don't have the exact number in front of me, 341 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: but it's there's a lot of turnover with that Michigan team. 342 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: For sure. 343 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 3: We've had a lot of repeat national champions in this 344 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 3: sport or repeat conference teams in the SEC winning national championships, 345 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 3: and for Michigan to win their first in a good 346 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 3: long time with a headline, head coach and guys who've 347 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 3: been around that program forever, you know, nice to see 348 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: something different in the sport. So yes, how Michigan enters 349 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 3: this new era is a little bit different than some 350 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: of the other new head coaches because of what they're 351 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: coming off of. 352 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: The way that Vegas sees the Big Ten, for whatever 353 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: that's worth to you, three teams in the conference have 354 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: an over under of ten and a half. They are 355 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: Ohio State, Oregon, and Penn State. The next team up 356 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 2: is Michigan at nine. The next one after that is 357 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: Iowa at eight, and then the entirety of the conference 358 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 2: is seven and a half. In below, Nebraska is seven 359 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: and a half. USC and Wisconsin are seven, Maryland and 360 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: Washington six and a half, Rutgers six, Indiana and Illinois 361 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: five and a half. Minnesota, Ucla Michigan at five both 362 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: predue in Northwestern at four and a half. There is 363 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: a lot in that middle class, what I would consider 364 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: the middle class of the Big Ten. I think a 365 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 2: number of those teams. 366 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: Are going to go over. 367 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: Some of them may be comfortably so. I think it 368 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: makes it interesting that we've got a grouping of teams 369 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: that are all kind of waiting to pop and could pop, 370 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 2: but we're. 371 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: Not sure if they will. 372 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 2: Whereas we obviously have some stratification at the top with 373 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 2: some of those contenders. We know what to expect there 374 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: more often than not. As I was looking through the 375 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: research material, a lot of shrug emojis. 376 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: To be honest with you. 377 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: Do I have a shrug emoji? I do have a 378 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: shrug emoji tier here. 379 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: You can just say a lot of shrugging on my part. 380 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of like if this works great to 381 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: your point of what Bill Connolly said earlier, If this 382 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 2: works great, If not, it was worth an effort. Is 383 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: it fairly obvious to you that the top two teams 384 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: in this conference as we record this in early August 385 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: are Ohio State and Oregon. 386 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: I think that is the most obvious statement that can 387 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 3: be made about the Big Ten today, that those two 388 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 3: teams right now, because in this time, during this time 389 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 3: of year, it's not necessarily what they have, it's what 390 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 3: are the questions, and they have the fewest questions. 391 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: I would absolutely agree with that. 392 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 3: I look through the fewest major questions. 393 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: Obviously, we look through eighteen teams here and I try 394 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: to view it through that lens of questions. The biggest question, frankly, 395 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: that I had about both was on the injury side 396 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: of things. I know that Ohio State has gone crazy 397 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: in the portal, as has Oregon. Oregon probably to a 398 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: greater degree. My biggest question about both of these teams is, 399 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: if Dylan Gabriel goes down, what's it looked like behind 400 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: him with Dantemor if Well Howard doesn't work out or 401 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 2: gets hurt, what does it look like behind him. We 402 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: know they've got an overflowing quarterback room, but still can 403 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: you make an assumption that he can hand that baton off? 404 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: And Ohio State's offense is going to be just as 405 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: good those. 406 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 2: Two teams though, even in the event that an injury 407 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: does occur at a big position like quarterback, both of them, 408 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: with their offenses and the supporting cast that they have 409 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 2: wrapped around them, feels to me like they're relatively injury proof. 410 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 2: It may not be quite as high level if a 411 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: big guy goes down, but even still, they're going to 412 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: play at a pretty high level given the talent around That. 413 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: To me isn't like the biggest question for Oregon. You 414 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 3: know what happens if Dylan Gabriel gets hurt, just because 415 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 3: they're advantaged in a way that not a lot of 416 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 3: programs are having Dante More as the backup quarterback, you know, 417 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 3: a five star quarterback a year ago, with pretty extensive 418 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 3: starting experience already at UCLA whatever, you know, mixed results. 419 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 3: But yes, you those are nitpicky questions, which speaks to 420 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: your broader point that you know, these are the teams 421 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 3: with the fewest questions uestions, And you know, you can 422 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 3: look at Ohio State and say, you know, how are 423 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 3: they finally going to solve the Michigan problem? And you 424 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 3: can look at Ohio State and say, you know which 425 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 3: direction where's Ryan Day's head at after you know, finding 426 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: himself under new kinds of pressure that Urban Meyern never 427 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 3: really had to deal with, that Ryandi didn't have to 428 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: deal with early on in his tenure. And it's just 429 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 3: like more of a mentality for Ohio State than any 430 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 3: specific position group or player. I mean, the question will 431 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 3: not Walker Howard, Will Howard of you know, what was 432 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 3: it from last year that can be improved upon just 433 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 3: by being surrounded by better players? Sure, but yeah, these 434 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: are two teams that you're just like, you really have 435 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 3: to squint to find serious concerns. 436 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 2: Who's your next tier down? 437 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 3: So I I have another team on my first tier. 438 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 3: I think Ohio State and Oregon are above this team 439 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 3: on this tier, but I have Michigan on this same tier. 440 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 3: Really I do. I have Michigan on this tier because 441 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 3: I can't put them unless I'm gonna say I'll put 442 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: a team on its own tier, which I don't know. 443 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 3: Kind of feels wrong, kind of feels counterintuitive to the 444 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 3: idea of tiers that we're grouping teams together. At least 445 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 3: I'm about to be I'm about to contradict myself. I 446 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: have Michigan on this top tier beneath those two teams. 447 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: Then I have Penn State on their own tier. So 448 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 3: I just I don't know. I felt weird about it 449 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 3: with Michigan, just because of what they return on defense, 450 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 3: and that we have to give them somewhat of a 451 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt that they will figure things out 452 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 3: on offense even with what they replace, and even with 453 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 3: the enormous questions there that they've won games and beaten 454 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: everybody beneath what I perceive to be them, I'm putting 455 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 3: them on this tier. I'm putting Penn State on the 456 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 3: next tier down because otherwise I would have to put 457 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 3: Ohio State Orion, Michigan alone, Penn State alone. So I 458 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: chose Penn State be my one solo team if if 459 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: that's any way to talking myself into this recent contradiction. 460 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 3: So I have Michigan there just because of that. I 461 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 3: think the defense can be championed. 462 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: I have a tier here that I labeled We'll find 463 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 2: a way to go ten and two. Feeling another ten 464 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: and two year for Penn State. I'm feeling an eight 465 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: and four year for Michigan, but I could still see 466 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: them going ten and two because of all the reasons 467 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: you described, I think Michigan's defense is going to be 468 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 2: championship caliber. I am unclear as to what that quarterback 469 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: situation is going to look like with Alex alex Orgie 470 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 2: excuse me, trying to throw the football. He was their 471 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: running quarterback a year ago. 472 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: Who hasn't been named starter yet, may not. 473 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: Be the starter. There's a lot that I think we 474 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 2: need to know before we can make any hard and 475 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: fast conclusions about the Michigan Wolverines this year. But to 476 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: some extent, yes, you want to give them the benefit 477 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: of the doubt. My big question about Michigan is can 478 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: Alex Orgie throw the football? 479 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: If he has to? 480 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 3: Sure, can you throw it? It was a rush heavy offense. 481 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: Last year it worked out famously for the Michigan Wolverine. 482 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 2: So the tune of fifteen to zero new situation now 483 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: coach that they're familiar with, but quarterback now playing for 484 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings, salx Orgiy's got to come in there 485 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: and be the guy. If he is in fact named 486 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: the starter, I don't know. I'd like to see a 487 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: little bit of him and what he can do through 488 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: the air before I start putting Michigan on this pedestal. 489 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 2: But I still think there's enough there that they could 490 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: go ten and two. I'm just not confident they will. 491 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: Now. I think I have Michigan on this tier just 492 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: because if we're to assume whatever average results from this 493 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 3: offense that they're fine. But take a step back and 494 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: it takes some time getting used to along the offensive 495 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 3: line and finding playmakers out wide, whatever, but the defense 496 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 3: is going to look like we think it's going to look. 497 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 3: I feel like they have a really good shot to 498 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 3: beat both Ohio State and Oregon, not maybe both, but 499 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 3: either of those teams hosting Oregon and traveling to Columbus, 500 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 3: And so if I feel like this team has a 501 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 3: good shot to beat one of the time tier teams. 502 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 3: Quote unquote, I think I should put them on that 503 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: tier fair enough. 504 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: So we've got Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Michigan. Yeah, 505 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: well I have Penn State a tier down, Pen State 506 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: a tier down, but still the lead pack so to speak. 507 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: Yes, top two tiers. 508 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 2: Yes, I have a tier here labeled will be funny 509 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 2: if they stink and I have USC in it. 510 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 3: Oh man, ty, this is this is the time of 511 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 3: year where we're supposed to be like rose colored glasses. 512 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not saying they will stink. Okay, 513 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: I'm saying it will. 514 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 3: It will be funny that they just keep not being 515 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 3: able to figure it out. 516 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: If they can't figure out defense, that'd be the funny part. 517 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: I think it's obvious that they have to take a 518 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 2: step back on offense. Are losing a generational quarterback in 519 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. It's expected that they're not going to get 520 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: the same level of production out of Miller Moss or 521 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: Jada may Ava who anybody right, They're just not You're. 522 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 3: Not so this is this the name of your tier 523 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: or you just think USC is the funniest team. If 524 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 3: they fail, this is the name of my of my 525 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 3: tier will be funny if they stink. I have them 526 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: a rundown like fifth in the conference, but I've labeled 527 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: it will be funny if they stink, and it will 528 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 3: be funny if the defense doesn't improve. Now, I like 529 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 3: Dan Lynn. I think that was a great hire, and 530 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: I think they should be better along the defensive line. 531 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 3: So I'm still going to keep the faith that USC 532 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 3: is in a good spot here. Generally speaking, the schedule 533 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 3: does them no favors. This is a very very difficult 534 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 3: schedule for USC. That will get into as we get 535 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 3: into team previews. But I've got USC right now fifth. 536 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: It's very hard to imagine a universe in which this 537 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 3: USC defense gets worse. It's very difficult to see just 538 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 3: they were so bad last year and the year before that, 539 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: that they've been making efforts they overhaul the staff that 540 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 3: it would take and it's probably a more difficult schedule. 541 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 3: They play some tough defensive teams last year. It would 542 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 3: be kind of a preposterous situation for USC's defense to 543 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: get worse and not improve to some more respectable Do 544 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 3: you have USC in that same position? Yeah, here's something 545 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 3: that I wasn't fully prepared to uh to make Pete, 546 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 3: not make peace with because I don't care. But USC 547 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: probably has the third best receiving corps in this conference, 548 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 3: and there is, like, there's pretty clear separation after you 549 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 3: get through these first few teams where you're just like, 550 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: who has like I think Washington has a couple good receivers, 551 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 3: But after that you're like, who has like a grouping 552 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 3: of scary receivers. And after you are in that like 553 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 3: four or five range in this conference, there's not basically 554 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 3: anybody you know, individual talents, individual tight end here, individual 555 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 3: you know receiver there that's scary. But in terms of 556 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 3: four or five guys that could be and could develop 557 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 3: into game breakers. That's something to me with USC, given 558 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley's history, given that we think quarterback will always 559 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: under Lincoln Riley be at least good, maybe not great, 560 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 3: maybe not Heisman level, but the baseline should be good 561 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 3: in the Lincoln Riley offense, that they should win a 562 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 3: bunch of games based on that, and didn't always last year. 563 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 3: But given this schedule, given how many points it takes 564 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 3: sometimes to win games in the Big Ten, I think 565 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: they're gonna be all right. 566 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: I do wonder if by losing Caleb Williams it forces 567 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: that offense to be a little bit more balanced and 568 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: not put it all on the quarterback. I don't know 569 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: if schematically that's even something they can put together with 570 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 2: the personnel, but I don't think Miller Moss is going 571 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: to be able to lift the entire offense the way 572 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: that Caleb Williams did for two years. 573 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 3: No. I think that's a fair point. And even last 574 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 3: year their record may have been like should have been 575 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 3: worse last year with who they played early on in 576 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: that schedule and at times struggled with with Colorado ASU Stanford, 577 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 3: like it could have been even worse with Caleb Williams. 578 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 3: So I weirdly think Miller Moss this year is likely 579 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 3: in a better position than Caleb Williams was last year, 580 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: albeit now against what should be facing more deffa occult defenses. 581 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: I had to twist my mind in a pretzel to 582 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: arrive at the same conclusion, but I did as well 583 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: in going through and looking at USC I kind of 584 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: feel similarly. We'll get into that. Is there anybody else. 585 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: In your third tier of the Big ten or should 586 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: we go down to the. 587 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 3: Next I have five teams in my third tier. Okay, 588 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 3: so USC, and then four others yes, okay, who else? 589 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 3: It's a bunch of teams. I don't have a good name, 590 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 3: Like you're good at your tier names, but this is 591 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 3: my tier of like we'll likely do one thing really 592 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 3: well and then the other side of the ball could 593 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 3: vary from weekly. These are your half teams, half team potential, right, 594 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 3: and I don't think it's going to be full season 595 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 3: half teams, but I think you can have random week 596 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 3: seven disappearances on this list of teams. So I have Washington, USC, Iowa, Wisconsin, 597 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 3: and Maryland. 598 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: Oh wow, we're gonna have different tiers, Dan, are we not? 599 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: I know, I feel like we are. 600 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: Washington's interesting to put in this tier because Washington is 601 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: nearly completely rebooting its offense. The only two quote unquote 602 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: starters that are back on Washington's offense are from other teams. 603 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: Nobody from last year's Washington offense is back correct and 604 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: it's better. On defense. There's only two guys who started 605 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: on this team's defense last year who are returning. There 606 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: are two other starters returning from other teams, but beyond 607 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: that seven new guys, so there's a lot new at Washington, 608 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: not the least of which is the coach. I'm surprised 609 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: you have them this high. 610 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 3: Okay, So what I tried to do with Washington specifically 611 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 3: is say, I'm not going to compare this year's roster 612 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: to last year's roster. I'm just going to say, because 613 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 3: of the number of dudes who were rotation guys for 614 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: Washington played for Arizona transfer in, Like, how do I 615 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 3: feel about Jedfish, who we know should do a good 616 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 3: job growing a team from not from scratch, because you know, 617 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 3: there's still a culture of winning at Washington recently, and 618 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 3: there are rotation dudes who have been there and the 619 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 3: successful players that he brought in from Arizona. You know, 620 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: I don't feel great about these coordinators. But if you're saying, okay, 621 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 3: you're starting out with what should be a pretty good 622 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: quarterback and Will Rogers in a good offensive system. Again, 623 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 3: we're gonna go deeper at Washington another episode. But if 624 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 3: I'm taking this roster and I'm taking that, I feel 625 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 3: like these are higher level Big Ten caliber players at 626 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 3: specific positions, not everywhere. Like I still think there's a 627 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 3: lot of work to do on the lines, which you know, 628 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 3: Washington won. I think they won the Joe More Award 629 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 3: last year on the offensive line, but skill talent wise 630 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 3: that we saw development of receivers and running backs, Joonah 631 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 3: Coleman being one of them. He's on this roster. You know, 632 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 3: he's a thicker, like five nine, two twenty type guy 633 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: that if I'm asked to feel better about Washington or 634 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 3: a pre existing Big ten team that's had a coach, 635 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 3: but like we know their obvious struggles. I think there 636 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 3: is something about taking a swing on Jedfish's recent history 637 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 3: and some of these parts that I do like they're 638 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 3: far away from everything. Everybody's gonna have to travel a 639 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 3: ways to get there, and they're gonna have their own 640 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 3: road situations as well. I don't know. I think they're fine. Like, 641 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 3: I don't think they're below any of the Like the 642 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 3: other teams I mentioned, like have like very specific, huge 643 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 3: questions that I'm not sure Washington does. In this moment, 644 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 3: I just. 645 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: Had Washington in my shrug emoji tier. Okay, they're in 646 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: there with UCLA two teams. I genuinely have no idea 647 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: what to expect out of them. Washington, because of the turnover, 648 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: both obviously have new coaches and new setups altogether. 649 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. 650 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: I could see Washington being in this tier very easily. 651 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: I'm not counting on that though, because turnover plus the 652 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: travel plus the new conference totally seems like a lot 653 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: new to give them that much benefit of the doubt. 654 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 2: I do like like Jedfish as a coach. I know 655 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: a joke about him, and I'm still somewhat convinced that 656 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: the second he can go to Florida he will. Yeah, 657 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: but he's at Washington now, and so we have to 658 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 2: treat it somewhat in a vacuum. He's a good coach. 659 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: Look at what he did at Arizona how to build 660 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: a team up, and I think he'll build this team up. 661 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: I don't think Washington's gonna be bad at all. It's 662 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 2: just how long will it take for this team to 663 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: mash and get to know each other because there's just 664 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: so much unfamiliarity there. 665 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And look, there's there's also an element 666 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 3: to me with Washington that like, this team wasn't slaughtering 667 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 3: pack twelve teams last year. 668 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: No, they weren't. 669 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 3: They played really well in big games, specifically as the 670 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 3: team in Oregon that made me feel not so happy. 671 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 3: But that was a huge strength of Kalen de Boor's 672 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 3: team that they were able to get up and win 673 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 3: those big moments. But in terms of separating, so I 674 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 3: think it's unfair to compare this roster of guys to 675 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 3: last year's and just sort of say, like, how do 676 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 3: they fit in? In terms of huge questions, I think 677 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 3: line questions are legit, but I don't know, Like I 678 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 3: mentioned what Wisconsin, I think offense is still a huge 679 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 3: question to me, Pope receiver, what TVD looks like in 680 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 3: this offense? You know, offensive line should be fine, but 681 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 3: losing you know, a potentially like great running back Braylan 682 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 3: Allen and then Maryland and I have Maryland here in 683 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 3: a good way to me, Like I still have questions 684 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 3: about Maryland, Like they have been able to run the ball, 685 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 3: they're replacing their quarterback, like the faith I have in 686 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 3: Mike Lockxley. To field a seven and a half win team, 687 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 3: it's pretty high, Like I have to separate a team 688 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 3: like Maryland from UCLA, Minnesota, Nebraska or whatever, just because 689 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 3: the results have been more consistent and the performances against 690 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 3: the top of the conference have been more consistent. So 691 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 3: that's why I separated a team like Maryland from the 692 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 3: other teams that I think are nearby. You had Iowa 693 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 3: in here as well. Yes, we know why Iowa can 694 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 3: win games. 695 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: We know why Iowa can win games. So I've got 696 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 2: as my next tier down. You're higher on some teams 697 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 2: that I am. I had eight tiers. I mean, it's 698 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 2: too many, but there's too many teams, I guess so 699 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 2: many times. Yeah, I have a tier that I've labeled 700 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 2: help me QB one Kenobi You're our only hope. 701 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 3: Ooh teams putting all their chips in that. 702 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: Iowa, I think, to some extent, belongs in that categor 703 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 2: Goy Nebraska obviously belongs in that category. Minnesota very much 704 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 2: belongs in that category. There are others three teams in particular, though, 705 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 2: that are highly dependent on quarterback play offense more broadly, 706 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 2: but specifically quarterback play, new quarterback play, specifically to move well, 707 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 2: not so much for i While they had Kate McNamara 708 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 2: last year, he's effectively a new quarterback because he played 709 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 2: like three and a half games. Yeah, but for sure, 710 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 2: Dylan Royola, Max Brosmer, they need to get quarterback play 711 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: out of those guys in order to move things forward 712 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 2: at Nebraska and Minnesota, and frankly, I think they could. 713 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of potential there in both cases. 714 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 2: But anytime you're looking at this from afar in early 715 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 2: August and you see that one glaring thing that you 716 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 2: need to pop in order for good things to come, 717 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 2: it does leave you feeling a little bit uncertain. I 718 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 2: think fans of those teams would agree as well, you 719 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 2: know kind of what needs to get better, and we'll 720 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 2: just have to wait and see whether or not it does. 721 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 2: I have below that QB one tier broadly a category 722 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 2: that I said, don't sleep on, don't sleep on Wisconsin 723 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 2: this year. We have a lot of faith in Luke Fickle. 724 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 2: Could TVD come back and have a renaissance with the Badgers? 725 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: I don't know. 726 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 2: It means to be seen. I like Rutgers a lot. 727 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 2: I have Rutgers in this category as well. I am 728 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 2: way higher on Rutgers in twenty twenty four than I 729 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 2: ever thought possible. I really like this team. I really 730 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 2: genuinely like this team. I think there's a lot that 731 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 2: I can underline and underscore as we go through and 732 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 2: talk about Rutgers specifically, but the schedule sets up pretty 733 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 2: well for them. It's the easiest schedule in all the 734 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 2: Big Ten. A weird travel situation for teams like Washington 735 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 2: that have to travel cross country to get there. Rutgers 736 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 2: is going to play a very specific style of ground 737 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 2: and pound football that I think could be tough for 738 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 2: others in this conference to contend with. I like this 739 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: team a lot, so don't sleep on Rutgers. Don't sleep 740 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 2: on with Wasson. I already mentioned that I've got a 741 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 2: shrug emoji tier which consists of Washington and UCLA, which 742 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 2: I didn't know where to put that tier. Honestly, I 743 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: put it below don't sleep on. But I don't think 744 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 2: it really matters. Both those teams are free agents, okay, 745 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 2: and I had Maryland way down in my bad but 746 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 2: spicy tier really alongside Indiana and Illinois. 747 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 3: I mean, Illinois did beat him last year, Yeah. 748 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 2: They did. 749 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,919 Speaker 1: I have no idea why you're hiring Maryland this year. 750 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 3: Why I'm high on Maryland this year. 751 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 2: I mean, it's good news bad news, right. The good 752 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 2: news is that the front seven should be pretty good. 753 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 2: They also miss both Ohio State and Michigan on the 754 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 2: schedule right. The bad news that the offense is basically 755 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 2: starting over and the offensive line I think is going 756 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 2: to be a tire fire at least to start the year. Sure, 757 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 2: I don't think that's a good formula. Now. I like 758 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 2: Mike Loloxley, and I think generally he's been good at 759 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 2: getting talent in the door. But I'm inclined to go 760 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 2: what did I say six and a half? I'm inclined 761 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,720 Speaker 2: to go under really? Oh yeah, Maryland has the hallmark 762 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 2: of a team this year that starts six and oho 763 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 2: and then finishes zero and six. 764 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 3: Don't I think they have star power potential at receiver? 765 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 1: I do like their receivers. 766 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 2: The receivers are fine, but the line thing is just 767 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 2: that sks me out. 768 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 3: It's really their line has always been kind of disappointingly. 769 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: This year it's entirely new. 770 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 3: So, I mean, I think what they have a quarterback? 771 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 3: It was with me MJ. Morris or Billy Edwards. I 772 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,439 Speaker 3: don't think they've named the guy yet. 773 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 2: Looks that way, yeah, or Cameron Edge could he's in 774 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 2: the Knicks as well. 775 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like Talia developed there. I 776 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 3: think MJ. Morris if he's the guy or Billy Edwards 777 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 3: didn't have a great Bowl game. I don't think at 778 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 3: Lea's throwing the ball. I just think they develop quarterbacks, 779 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 3: they developed receivers. The running game has been kind of 780 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 3: awful lately, but I don't know experience defense and ability 781 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 3: to get a quarterback going. I'm not totally out on Maryland. 782 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 3: I just they continually give it to good teams. Man 783 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 3: Miss Michigan, Ohio State, Okay, I'm fully out on. Is 784 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 3: there anybody you're like, just fully tingly about Minnesota that's 785 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 3: like from the bottom half of the perceived bottom half 786 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 3: of the conference in Minnesota? 787 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: Minnesota? 788 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 3: Okay, why Minnesota. 789 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: I like what they've got back on defense. 790 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 3: Lost the coordinator, Joe ROSSI lost. 791 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 2: The coordinator, But I'm okay with that. It need to 792 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 2: get better at stopping the run. That most Minnesota fans 793 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 2: look at that and they'll they'll call that out immediately. 794 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: But I think they're. 795 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 2: Individual contributors and the skill groups that leave me feeling optimistic. 796 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 2: I think they need another weapon to step up, and 797 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 2: I think they need their transfer quarterback to pop. But 798 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 2: all things considered, I like where that team's at and 799 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 2: I saw the over under and I said, I'm going 800 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 2: over on Minnesota. Okay, I have I have a lot 801 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 2: to say about Minnesota when we get to Minnesota. I 802 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,240 Speaker 2: put a lot of time in on the Golden Gophers 803 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 2: this year. They're one of those teams. 804 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: Also Rutgers. 805 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 2: Like I said it before, but I think Rutgers could 806 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 2: be pretty damn good. That's not to say they're going 807 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 2: to win the conference or win not games, but I 808 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 2: think they're going to give teams fits this year with 809 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 2: the style of offense they play, with how they have 810 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 2: gradually improved under Greg Ciano. I think Rutgers is going 811 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 2: to be a very very interesting story to follow this season. 812 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 3: I'm in on Indiana and they weren't one of my teams. 813 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 3: I have him in bad but Spicy. I did include 814 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 3: Spicy because I like Indiana. I don't know how optimistic 815 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 3: is too optimistic for a team with a new coach 816 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 3: and so much new But Kurt Signetti saying all the 817 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 3: right stuff brought. Is it thirteen guys over from James Madison. Yeah, 818 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,919 Speaker 3: especially big guys on defense up front. 819 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, big guys on defense coordinators came with him. It's 820 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 2: a lot of that same formula that worked at jmu 821 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 2: that I think he's trying to bring to Indiana now 822 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 2: and Curtis Rourke. It goes without saying, we've been a 823 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 2: big fan of the Rourke quarterback dynasty forever here on 824 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 2: this show. So if he comes in and can give 825 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 2: him a little bit more popular the quarterback position, maybe 826 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 2: we're talking about something interesting, especially given their wide receiver 827 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 2: room which looks to be really deep. 828 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 3: And I was gonna say, Devin McCully, he is that 829 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 3: Donovan mcaullchy, Donovan McCully, Yeah, Donovan McCully, excuse me, he's back. 830 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,240 Speaker 3: He entered the poor and decided to return. 831 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 2: Correct. 832 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 3: You look at Indiana last year. I know, different roster 833 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,760 Speaker 3: and the portal everywhere. If you just upgraded Brendan Soresby 834 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 3: to what I think is an upgrade in Curtis Rourke. 835 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 3: Are they winning three and a half Moregate? 836 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 2: Like? 837 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 3: What is the number? They lose their last three games 838 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 3: by ten points, all winnable Michigan State Perdue Illinois, So 839 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 3: three three and four point losses. If you remember they 840 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 3: gave Penn State a bunch last year, right, they were 841 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 3: hitting a couple of big passes. If we are to 842 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 3: believe that Kurt Signetti is and I like Tom Allen. 843 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 3: I like Tom Allen as a head coach too. By 844 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 3: the way, I think he's going to catch on probably 845 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 3: after succeeding at Penn State. That I think there's a 846 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 3: little bit of fire and spark to Indiana right now. 847 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 3: And maybe I am just reacting emotionally to me being 848 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,760 Speaker 3: in love with what Kurt Signetti did immediately upon getting 849 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 3: to Bloomington. You F you, F you, You're cool, F you, 850 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 3: I'm out. 851 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 2: I love that. 852 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 3: So I don't know there is something and I like that, 853 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 3: you know, the Jame You players followed him as you know, 854 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 3: horrible as it is to say for people who are 855 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 3: James Madison fans, that he resonated with them and they 856 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 3: felt like they had a good opportunity to keep going 857 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 3: with him. That I think they are not bad but spicy. 858 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 3: I think they are flawed but spicy, flawed but spice. 859 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna change just the flawed but spicy. 860 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 3: I think there's something there with Indiana. 861 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 2: We're trying to offer hope here on our preseason shows. 862 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 3: Yes, Indiana also occupies like every year there's somebody who 863 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, they're gonna go four and eight, and 864 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 3: then you look up at the end of November and 865 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 3: you're like, there's seven and three. What what's happening Now, 866 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 3: somebody's gonna occupy that space and that it's it's a 867 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 3: different type of year with how deep and how big 868 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,280 Speaker 3: these conferences are that we're gonna have to have early 869 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 3: November conversations that are like they're five and four, but 870 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 3: they're actually good. You just gotta trust me on this, 871 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 3: right that, Like, records mean so many different things. Now, 872 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 3: Indiana could be that team that players and coaches maybe 873 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 3: look past on a schedule because you're just like, oh, 874 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 3: it's Indiana. You know it's with Indiana, but it's between 875 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 3: Michigan and ben State and we'll figure out Indiana. 876 00:42:59,400 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 2: That's fine. 877 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 3: And then you look up at the scoreboard and they're 878 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 3: down seventeen in the second half. Like, I think they 879 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 3: could be that team that is overlooked too much, still flawed, 880 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,879 Speaker 3: but I'm curious about them. 881 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what to make of Illinois. I 882 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 2: had them in this tier as well, and my overall 883 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 2: impression of this team was Luke Altmeyer coming back at quarterback. 884 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,799 Speaker 2: The offense A needs to find a bit of a 885 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 2: running game, yeah, But beyond that, the offense just needs 886 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 2: to do enough in the early part of the season 887 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 2: to overcompensate for a defense that I think is going 888 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 2: to take a bit to find its way. And for me, 889 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 2: that's a danger zone type thing. 890 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 3: Thank you. 891 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 2: When you look at who is on the early part 892 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 2: of the schedule, if you assume it's going to take 893 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 2: you know, three, four or five weeks to get into 894 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 2: the flow of things, Kansas in week two, we know 895 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 2: they know how to score. I think Nebraska is going 896 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 2: to be much better on offense this year with a 897 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 2: better quarterback and Penn State at the end of September 898 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,359 Speaker 2: another offense that of course had its warts. We can 899 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 2: talk about that on an upcoming episode, but still should 900 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 2: be pretty good. And oh, by the way, as the 901 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 2: year goes on for Illinois, they've got Michigan in that 902 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,280 Speaker 2: ground attack. They go to Oregon to square off against 903 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 2: your ducks. At the end of the year, they go 904 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,320 Speaker 2: to my Rutgers scarlet nice square off against that rushing attack. 905 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 2: There are things that Minnesota is also on the schedule 906 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 2: a week after Oregon. I don't see it getting much 907 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,720 Speaker 2: easier for Illinois, even if they do figure out defense. 908 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 2: So I've got them pretty low my tier ranking. 909 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're just going to go as Luke 910 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 3: Altmeyer goes, because I think the position groups that needed upgrading. 911 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,360 Speaker 3: They were very quietly spenders in the portal space with 912 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 3: Takari Franklin and Terrence Brooks who started a bunch of 913 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,320 Speaker 3: games for Texas at corner last year. So they've plugged 914 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 3: in holes defensive line they were strong at last year, 915 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 3: and they lose a couple key guys. If Luke Allmeyer 916 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 3: is a true dual threat, he doesn't have to be 917 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 3: excellent for this team to be good. If he's a 918 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 3: little more careful with the ball, if like you mentioned, 919 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 3: finding a running game. They've got a big dude who 920 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 3: I think is promising and I think it's Cayden Figan. 921 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 3: They will be They will be interesting. They have the 922 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,800 Speaker 3: opportunity to sort of be that Burt ball team once again. 923 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:16,240 Speaker 1: Okay. 924 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 2: My final tier is Northwestern, Michigan State, and Purdue. Okay, 925 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 2: and I labeled it. One of these teams will surprise us. 926 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 2: I don't know which one. I hope it's Northwestern and 927 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 2: the portable field that would make for a cool story 928 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 2: so Northwestern, for those who are just tuning back in 929 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,919 Speaker 2: renovating their stadium, didn't have another place to play as such, 930 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 2: decided they're going to build a portable, fifteen thousand seat 931 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,959 Speaker 2: stadium that you have described as being what twenty feet 932 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,240 Speaker 2: from Lake Michigan. 933 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,720 Speaker 3: If that it could be fourteen and a half feet 934 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 3: from the water. 935 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 2: It is right on the water, literally right on the water. 936 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 3: There's a narrow walking path right there and then it's 937 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 3: just rocks and water. 938 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 2: Tickets will be hard to come by. The wind in 939 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,720 Speaker 2: the kicking could also be quite interesting to follow throughout 940 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 2: the course of that Chicago winter. But Northwestern one eight 941 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,319 Speaker 2: games a year ago. Northwestern brings back David Brawn. I 942 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 2: don't have any sky high expectations for what this team 943 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 2: looks like in twenty twenty four, but did it once? 944 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 2: Stands to reason, Okay, maybe he can do it again. 945 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 2: Rooting for Northwestern, rooting for Michigan State. It was a 946 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 2: rough year last year for Michigan State with everything that 947 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 2: went down before the season, losing the coach obviously, Now 948 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 2: they've got Jonathan Smith in there, who did an awesome 949 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 2: job building Oregon State back up, brought some talent in 950 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 2: namely Aid and Chiles. What I mentioned earlier, I don't 951 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 2: have any lofty expectations for Sparti right now, but I 952 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 2: do have a lot of expectations for this coach. I 953 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 2: know what he's made of. We've seen him do it before. 954 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,919 Speaker 2: I think before long he will build that program up. 955 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 2: It may start this year with defense, but for sure, 956 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith is a good coach and it was a 957 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 2: good get for Michigan State, so I like that. And Purdue. 958 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 2: Purdue has a lot of holes to phil I am 959 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,760 Speaker 2: not fully out on Ryan Walters. I think he says 960 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,279 Speaker 2: a lot of the right stuff, and I think his 961 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 2: approach to the portal and how he's using it, it 962 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 2: wants to use it, all that stuff is very very smart. 963 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 2: But this is still a team that is not there. 964 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 2: They're gonna need some seasoning. They lost like their best 965 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 2: player on offense, arguably the best player on offense, as 966 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 2: well as their best player on defense. Of the transfer 967 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 2: portal defense, Yeah, it's just you can't kind of make 968 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 2: up for that overnight with just a random transfer from. 969 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: You know, a group of five school. Just doesn't work 970 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:31,399 Speaker 1: like that. 971 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 3: I'm interested in Perdue. I think the defense is going 972 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,240 Speaker 3: to take a step forward. The defense was quietly decent 973 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 3: last year, and it was like seven different seasons in 974 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 3: one for Purdue last year, which is to be expected 975 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 3: sometimes when you know new head coach, transfer quarterback coming in. 976 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 3: But yes, offensively they have a ways to go. But 977 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 3: if their building block is a decent amount of star 978 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 3: intrigue on defense and another year of quarterback experience with 979 00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 3: Hudson card Like, I don't think they're gonna have a 980 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 3: great offense, but they could reach that point where they 981 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 3: become a team that if you don't score twenty four 982 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 3: against you might lose. Right. I think the defense can 983 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 3: get them. And I don't know what their schedule is. 984 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 3: I think it's really difficult schedule, But yeah, I think 985 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,399 Speaker 3: they're going to be one of those teams that maybe 986 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 3: doesn't make a Bowl but beat somebody perceived to be 987 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 3: way better. 988 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 2: I could see it. I think they are a couple 989 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,280 Speaker 2: of years away, and I think they're in the process 990 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 2: of a full reboot. The Purduce schedule's absurd, by the way. 991 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 2: It's Notre Dame, it's at Ohio State, it's Penn State. 992 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: It's a good home slate, but yeah. 993 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 2: Bad for a team that I believe is still in rebuilding. Vote. 994 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have Michigan State and Purdue probably occupying the 995 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,279 Speaker 3: bottom of my final tier, just because I think there's 996 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 3: a ways to go personnel wise with Michigan State. As 997 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 3: much as I like aid in Chiles, and I think 998 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 3: they're going to be able to find offensive linemen in 999 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 3: the Midwest. They've got a great offensive line coach. I 1000 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,400 Speaker 3: really like the Joe Rossi higher I like all these things. 1001 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 3: It's just going to be a locker room thing, and 1002 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,959 Speaker 3: by that I mean finding people to occupy the locker room. 1003 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 3: I think it's a quality thing with Michigan State that 1004 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 3: it's going to take and you can do it quickly. 1005 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 3: And we saw how aggressive Jonathan Smith was and had 1006 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 3: the supported Oregon State to find players to plug in. 1007 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 3: It's it's going to take a minute at Michigan State Purdue. 1008 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,839 Speaker 3: It's more of the schedule than anything else. I think 1009 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 3: Rutgers is going to be solid. I think your points 1010 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 3: about Scarlett Knights are salient ones. Yeah, I think there's 1011 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,319 Speaker 3: a lot of quality in this conference, just because we're 1012 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 3: talking about power conferences that and we said this, and 1013 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 3: we've talked about this before, like a lot of these 1014 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 3: teams are shoppers that can fill in gaps with quality 1015 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,879 Speaker 3: players from lower conferences, and it's not a great thing 1016 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 3: for the sport. But the reality is, if you can 1017 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 3: find a great edge rusher from old Dominion or something 1018 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 3: to come in and immediately replace somebody who was a 1019 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 3: three year starter and is at least of quality, has 1020 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 3: you know, value over what replacement player the vorp is high, 1021 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,040 Speaker 3: then you have the opportunity to be like, I think 1022 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 3: we're going to see the bottom these power conferences be 1023 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,440 Speaker 3: devoid of catastrophic teams unless the coaching hire is truly 1024 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 3: awful and like doesn't care and is not aggressive as 1025 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 3: a recruiter, or the teams has no support in these 1026 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,719 Speaker 3: power conference I think you're gonna see a lot more 1027 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 3: like four and eights at the bottom of a conference 1028 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 3: than one in eleven. 1029 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 2: Hey, it's a really good point and I felt similarly 1030 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 2: looking through this. It doesn't feel like there are any 1031 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,319 Speaker 2: total catastrophes, and the ones that may exist are understandable. 1032 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 2: It's not just gonna happen out of nowhere. At least 1033 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 2: it shouldn't. You would understand if Michigan State had a 1034 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 2: bad season this year that would make sense. I've got 1035 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 2: Ohio State over Oregon, Okay in my Big Ten championship. 1036 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 2: I think those two teams are the cream of the crop. 1037 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 2: I think they rise to the top. I think both 1038 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 2: of them have more talent than almost anybody else in 1039 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,800 Speaker 2: the conference. Both those teams are not in the playoffs. 1040 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,120 Speaker 2: Something has gone horribly wrong. How do you feel as 1041 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,760 Speaker 2: an Oregon guy? Are you gonna pick Oregon over Ohio 1042 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:56,680 Speaker 2: State just to be different? 1043 00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 3: I'm gonna pick Oregon over Ohio State just to be different. 1044 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 3: I think there is something about year three, Dan Lanning 1045 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,320 Speaker 3: where this program is in terms of depth, how aggressive 1046 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 3: they were able to plug holes like the secondary. It 1047 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 3: was obviously the issue last year against Washington, an injured 1048 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,319 Speaker 3: secondary and a pass rush. I think it just only 1049 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 3: gets stronger. They lose key guys up front on defense, 1050 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,880 Speaker 3: they find, you know what, I think are more than 1051 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,839 Speaker 3: capable transfers to come in from big programs. I think 1052 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,760 Speaker 3: they have a ton of speed and depth on offense. 1053 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,400 Speaker 3: The offensive line I think is going to be in 1054 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,000 Speaker 3: very good shape. That and they're also not playing with 1055 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 3: the same pressure that I think Ryan Dane Ohio State 1056 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 3: are playing under Like this isn't the end all be 1057 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,959 Speaker 3: all year for Oregon, whereas I do get that sense 1058 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,080 Speaker 3: for Ohio State and maybe it works out. It was 1059 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,440 Speaker 3: that for Michigan last year. It worked out. Yeah, But 1060 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,239 Speaker 3: with what Oregon's schedule is that the Michigan game and 1061 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,400 Speaker 3: ann Arbor will be tough, as is on the road 1062 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 3: against Wisconsin, but getting Ohio State at home is a 1063 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 3: nice thing. There's a lot of quality upfront on this 1064 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 3: Oregon schedule, but I think right now Oregon has the 1065 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 3: most ways to win. I think Ohio State has the 1066 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 3: best defense. I wonder about Will Howard and where they 1067 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,839 Speaker 3: are at quarterback. Ohio State still in this moment as 1068 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,959 Speaker 3: good as they are. Can't wait to watch Jeremiah Smith 1069 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,400 Speaker 3: out wide as a freshman for Ohio State. But I 1070 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 3: think Oregon might be a little bit further along. 1071 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,360 Speaker 2: Which team to you was the most interesting? Not the best, 1072 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,319 Speaker 2: not the worst, not the team that you're all in 1073 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 2: or all out on, right, just genuinely the most interesting storyline? 1074 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,799 Speaker 3: I think going into this year, I don't think there's 1075 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,239 Speaker 3: a gray area with USC. I think they're either going 1076 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 3: ten and two or five and seven, like it either 1077 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,879 Speaker 3: works or doesn't. And I don't think it's gonna kind 1078 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 3: of work, right. I think the two defensive transfers coming 1079 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,400 Speaker 3: in from Oregon State should be very good at linebacker 1080 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 3: and safety. I think they're a little bit better at corner. 1081 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,880 Speaker 3: I'm not crazy about the line outside of Bear Alexander, 1082 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 3: but like they brought it like Vanderbilt's best defensive line. 1083 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 3: Like I think the ceiling or the floor has been raised. 1084 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,960 Speaker 3: Excuse me for USC on defense. It either works with 1085 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,640 Speaker 3: this offensive line, which I still have questions about, or 1086 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,319 Speaker 3: it doesn't. I like the receivers, it either works with 1087 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,399 Speaker 3: Miller Moss or it doesn't. Like I don't think there's 1088 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,120 Speaker 3: any chance Miller Moss is like a BB minus. I 1089 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 3: do think he's an A minus or a C minus. 1090 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,839 Speaker 3: And so I think they're ten and two or five 1091 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 3: and seven, and that to me is fascinating to watch. 1092 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 3: With a team in a new conference. 1093 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 2: I think the answer is Iowa for me, honestly, okay, 1094 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,719 Speaker 2: and I didn't expect that, But the more I read 1095 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,120 Speaker 2: on Tim Lester, their new offensive coordinator, the more I 1096 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,320 Speaker 2: liked him. I don't think it's gonna look drastically different 1097 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 2: from an offensive standpoint, but I think it's gonna look 1098 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,760 Speaker 2: different enough. You're gonna watch Iowa football and you're gonna say, oh, 1099 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 2: what they're doing. It looks like what a lot of 1100 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,520 Speaker 2: other teams are doing. No oop ube, nothing out of 1101 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,920 Speaker 2: left field. It's just going to be a little bit 1102 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 2: more modernized. And I think that was a really responsible higher. 1103 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,799 Speaker 2: They don't need to change up to an air raid. 1104 00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 2: They don't. Not only do they not have the personnel 1105 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,400 Speaker 2: for that, but their defense is good enough. Marginal improvement 1106 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 2: over Kirk Farrence's dead buddy Giwa, marginal improvement on the 1107 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball makes this team so so 1108 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,239 Speaker 2: much better. Sure, And in addition to that, for as 1109 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,760 Speaker 2: much as we've talked about how some of these teams 1110 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,240 Speaker 2: on the Big Ten West, the old Big Ten West 1111 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,919 Speaker 2: side of the coin will be hurt by the divisionless 1112 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,400 Speaker 2: structure and the new scheduling and all of that, I 1113 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,080 Speaker 2: was not really there this year. It's coming at some 1114 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 2: point in the future. This year it ain't bad, no, 1115 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,120 Speaker 2: So they can reboot that offense a little bit, just 1116 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:35,200 Speaker 2: get a little bit better. 1117 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,560 Speaker 1: This team is going to be crazy interesting. 1118 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,960 Speaker 3: Do you think that because we've done this show for 1119 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,960 Speaker 3: as long as we have, that we forget that we 1120 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,880 Speaker 3: have almost identical conversations about a grouping of teams every 1121 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 3: single August. Do you think that because we have to 1122 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,080 Speaker 3: find things to talk about that we're like, guys, how 1123 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,600 Speaker 3: can Texas A and M not succeed this year? 1124 00:54:58,719 --> 00:54:59,040 Speaker 2: Guys? 1125 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,320 Speaker 3: Come on? How can Iowa not find an average offense 1126 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:02,640 Speaker 3: this year? 1127 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:02,919 Speaker 2: Guys? 1128 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,200 Speaker 3: Come on? And I know we've spoken to Iowa people 1129 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,279 Speaker 3: and they say the same thing. They're like, hey, we 1130 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 3: hope it happens. But like we've been here before, We've 1131 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 3: been in this August conversation of like, hey, if the 1132 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,160 Speaker 3: offense is like decent, this could be really interesting. 1133 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,240 Speaker 2: Well, the caveats the line with Iowa, the caveats the line, 1134 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,680 Speaker 2: and everybody points to the big stats that jump off 1135 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,960 Speaker 2: the page. What was it fifteen points a game? 1136 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:25,440 Speaker 1: Last year? 1137 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,040 Speaker 2: They were supposed to get the twenty five and didn't 1138 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 2: get anywhere close to that. And of course that's the 1139 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,319 Speaker 2: stuff that you can really seek your teeth into. But 1140 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,600 Speaker 2: the problems that Iowa started a while ago, and they're 1141 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,279 Speaker 2: almost directly related to line play, and the line needs 1142 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,680 Speaker 2: to be better this year than it was last. I'm 1143 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,879 Speaker 2: hopeful that was some new scheme and with some new 1144 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,640 Speaker 2: energy around that offense, that this is a unit that 1145 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,400 Speaker 2: can improve. But to your point, yeah, we've said that 1146 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,719 Speaker 2: many times over. Oh, it can't get any worse. 1147 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:53,360 Speaker 1: It got worse. 1148 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,759 Speaker 3: I watched there was an interview I think with Kirk 1149 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 3: Ference where he was talking about Iowa's history on offense 1150 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,160 Speaker 3: and how like they've had pretty good offenses, which I 1151 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 3: agree to disagree, but he like mentioned George Kittle and 1152 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,719 Speaker 3: he was like, you know, this is a place you 1153 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,320 Speaker 3: know George Kittle was, and like we've seen his development 1154 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,360 Speaker 3: since coming to Iowa. They didn't throw them ball to 1155 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 3: George Kittle at Iowa. No, George Kittle became George Kittle 1156 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,640 Speaker 3: after leaving Iowa. He had plays, but this was not 1157 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 3: a superstar college tight end. I think I saw something 1158 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,719 Speaker 3: like in his final season he was like ninth or 1159 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,680 Speaker 3: tenth in terms of catches or targets for Iowa football. So, yes, 1160 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,319 Speaker 3: this is an Iowa situation that I think we've grown 1161 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 3: accustomed to, and eventually things change, Right, Eventually we see 1162 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,959 Speaker 3: something new that is unexpected happen, and I think it'll 1163 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,239 Speaker 3: happen with Iowa at some point. I just know we've 1164 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,040 Speaker 3: had this conversation Ty, like we can Like I was 1165 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,440 Speaker 3: going to answer when you asked me, like, who's the 1166 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,600 Speaker 3: most fascinating team? To me, it's Penn State. To me, 1167 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,720 Speaker 3: it's Penn State. See I'm wearing a Penn State's shirt. 1168 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,839 Speaker 3: I know you are maybe a little biased there. Penn 1169 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,160 Speaker 3: State's interesting for its own reasons. But if I'm trying 1170 00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,720 Speaker 3: to be completely unbiased, my first answer would be Iowa 1171 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,640 Speaker 3: because Penn State is what is the what was the 1172 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,799 Speaker 3: mosquito held in in Jurassic Park. Froll was like, oh 1173 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,120 Speaker 3: the amber. Yeah, Like Penn State is in this like 1174 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,960 Speaker 3: beautiful amber. They can't get out of it. They kick 1175 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,280 Speaker 3: get out of the ten and two zone, but it's 1176 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,320 Speaker 3: beautiful to look at. Right, They're in this place where 1177 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,800 Speaker 3: like there's so much that is going right for Penn State. 1178 00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,200 Speaker 3: Like they just evaluate the hell out of defensive players 1179 00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,800 Speaker 3: and now you're gonna unleash Abdul Carter on the edge. 1180 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,720 Speaker 3: Holy hell, is that gonna be fun and disastrous for 1181 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,520 Speaker 3: opposing offensive lines to watch? Right, there's so much too 1182 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,600 Speaker 3: like about Penn State. But they're in that amber, amber, Amber, 1183 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,400 Speaker 3: whatever it is Amber, I think right, Amber, it's amber. Yeah, 1184 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 3: they're just stuck in this beautiful gold amber where you're like, 1185 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,400 Speaker 3: I don't think James Franklin's beating these excellent teams, but 1186 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 3: he's not losing a Maryland anytime soon. And so around 1187 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,560 Speaker 3: the edge is what James Franklin is trying to do 1188 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,160 Speaker 3: to break through that amber? To me, like, okay, five 1189 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 3: star quarterback, oh, not working so well? Maybe it was 1190 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,320 Speaker 3: the receiver's fault. Let's hire a new offensive coordinator. Ah, 1191 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 3: Let's bring in all these great running backs. 1192 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:06,280 Speaker 2: Ah. 1193 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,640 Speaker 3: And like he's just trying to chip away at what 1194 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,760 Speaker 3: can break through that amber, and nothing seems to be 1195 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:12,400 Speaker 3: doing the job. 1196 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:14,120 Speaker 2: We'll see this year. 1197 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,280 Speaker 3: Am I wrong in any of those characterizations? 1198 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,760 Speaker 2: Not really. I mean I I have some very specific 1199 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,240 Speaker 2: thoughts as to what went wrong last season, okay, and 1200 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,680 Speaker 2: I don't feel it's quite like he is flailing to 1201 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,240 Speaker 2: figure out what those things are. 1202 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,600 Speaker 1: I think he knows what those things are totally. 1203 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,680 Speaker 2: And I think the move to get rid of Mike 1204 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,880 Speaker 2: Earsitch to bring in Andy Cotail Nikki was a really, 1205 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,400 Speaker 2: really wise decision for reasons that I can elaborate on 1206 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,560 Speaker 2: as we get into the Penn State preview can't wait. 1207 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,400 Speaker 2: But to the overall point of trying to break through 1208 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 2: and just not go freaking ten and two for a change. 1209 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can relate. 1210 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:57,880 Speaker 2: And the two new coordinators a good defense, you know, 1211 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,160 Speaker 2: plenty of skill talent on offense that I hope they 1212 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,520 Speaker 2: will work around and develop more of. 1213 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,320 Speaker 1: Interesting, for sure, they're interesting. 1214 00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,360 Speaker 3: Oh I think. Look, you turn on a game during 1215 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:10,960 Speaker 3: a white out, You're like, this is the center of 1216 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,480 Speaker 3: the universe, right, Like this should be a team that 1217 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,440 Speaker 3: has won. Yeah, they've won three national championships in the 1218 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,920 Speaker 3: last dozen years. It's not too shabby. And he's just like, 1219 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,000 Speaker 3: they can't figure it out. Okay, I can't wait to 1220 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,800 Speaker 3: watch Penn State football this year, and I can't wait 1221 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,800 Speaker 3: every year to see if they can break through in 1222 00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 3: some new way. 1223 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,640 Speaker 2: Right in solid verbal at gmail dot com, let us 1224 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,120 Speaker 2: know your thoughts on the Big Ten. How do your 1225 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:40,440 Speaker 2: tiers stack up to ours? T I e rs. If 1226 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,240 Speaker 2: you want to write in about the other kind of tiers, 1227 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,959 Speaker 2: you're welcome to do that as well. Purdue fans, Northwestern fans, 1228 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,240 Speaker 2: Mischigan State fans, Indiana. But we're here as your shoulder 1229 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,160 Speaker 2: to cry on, but would love to get your feedback 1230 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,800 Speaker 2: on how you think these Big ten teams stack up. 1231 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:55,920 Speaker 1: Again, it's a lot of them. 1232 00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,280 Speaker 2: It's eighteen teams. Eight tiers do I have here? I 1233 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,440 Speaker 2: think I have eight tiers. It doesn't matter. Generally speaking, 1234 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,480 Speaker 2: we're in the same position Maryland, though. You and I 1235 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,560 Speaker 2: are going to have some chats about Maryland as we 1236 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,080 Speaker 2: get into parts two and three. Again, the deal with 1237 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,520 Speaker 2: this is parts two and three are going to be 1238 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,480 Speaker 2: individual team previews. We'll talk in a lot more detail 1239 01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 2: about all of these schools and give you more nuanced 1240 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,880 Speaker 2: thoughts on where we think they're headed in twenty twenty four. 1241 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,560 Speaker 2: But in the interim, make sure you hit follow or 1242 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,880 Speaker 2: subscribe and tell your friends if you have yet to 1243 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,880 Speaker 2: leave a star rating or a review on your chosen 1244 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:31,920 Speaker 2: podcasting platform. 1245 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,560 Speaker 1: Dan and I would appreciate it. 1246 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,560 Speaker 2: It lets other people know that it's a fun show 1247 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,360 Speaker 2: they're a college football fan that they might enjoy. You 1248 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,280 Speaker 2: can go on out of course and watch these episodes 1249 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,920 Speaker 2: on YouTube. We post them out there as well, and 1250 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,920 Speaker 2: if nothing more of heballers dot com, go and check 1251 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,000 Speaker 2: out our Patreon at forballers dot com. If you really 1252 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,600 Speaker 2: appreciate what Dan and I are doing, I want to 1253 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,160 Speaker 2: further support the podcast. We offer bonus content add free 1254 01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,800 Speaker 2: listening access to a discord server that is starting really 1255 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,360 Speaker 2: to get riled up. Oh yeah, get ready for the 1256 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,040 Speaker 2: college football season ahead. We've got college football twenty five 1257 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,120 Speaker 2: dynasties that have formed. It's a cool place to hang. 1258 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,600 Speaker 2: So we'd love to have you as part of our 1259 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,400 Speaker 2: verbollerhood in our little corner of the internet. 1260 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:13,920 Speaker 3: Dan, can I give you breaking news? 1261 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:14,680 Speaker 2: Oh please? 1262 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:16,680 Speaker 3: I don't know if you have the breaking news sound 1263 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,400 Speaker 3: or not. A they're ready, No, okay, took it off 1264 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,120 Speaker 3: the board. The Big Ten has released. Because we're doing 1265 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,000 Speaker 3: this Big Ten. This is part one of the Big 1266 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,920 Speaker 3: Ten Preview. They have released their new map commercial, Oh no, 1267 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,680 Speaker 3: where they're soaring over the country and coming down and 1268 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,280 Speaker 3: up and is it like the Game of Thrones intro 1269 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,320 Speaker 3: that probably costs the gazillion dollars to create. I'm watching 1270 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,800 Speaker 3: it right now. It's the same song I want to 1271 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,080 Speaker 3: live that thing. Yeah, okay, So I'm looking at the 1272 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,840 Speaker 3: West coast. They're soaring over the rockies. Yeah, they just 1273 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,960 Speaker 3: added that West Coast, same song. There's Chicago popping up, 1274 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:55,000 Speaker 3: There's Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State. 1275 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,760 Speaker 1: Play by play here of the trailer. 1276 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:57,240 Speaker 2: I love it. 1277 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,840 Speaker 3: It's yeah, Penn State, Maryland. It's great. It's it's everything 1278 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,000 Speaker 3: you want out of a commercial. It's that I haven't 1279 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,680 Speaker 3: seen Game of Thrones, so that's what they do. It's 1280 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,280 Speaker 3: like a sore over of a map kind. 1281 01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,480 Speaker 2: Of thing, kinda yeah, kind of yeah. 1282 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,640 Speaker 3: It's a perfect commercial and they nailed it. How about that? 1283 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:12,920 Speaker 3: All right? 1284 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,760 Speaker 2: Well? Part one in the books, Parts two and three 1285 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,959 Speaker 2: yet to come. I hope you'll be here with us, 1286 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,560 Speaker 2: not just for these previews, but as the season gets 1287 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:21,960 Speaker 2: a little bit closer, Dan and I are going to 1288 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,120 Speaker 2: be kicking it into high gear for that guy over there, 1289 01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,960 Speaker 2: my good friend as always Dan Rubinstein, organ grad Dan 1290 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,440 Speaker 2: Rubinstein for myself hence stay grad Ty Hilton Brand, thanks 1291 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,320 Speaker 2: for downloading, for listening, for playing along at home, and. 1292 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:33,880 Speaker 1: Talk to you soon. 1293 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,600 Speaker 2: Stay solid, Peace,