1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from House Stuff 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. My 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: name is Josh Clark and across from me is Charles 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant. And because of that, because it's the two 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: of us, uh and Jerry, of course, um, you have 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: stuff you should know? Okay, yeah, stop protesting us. It's 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: a sweet little drifecta of people in here. Do my 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: favorite people in this office? Two of my two favorite 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: people are in this office, me and Jerry. You're doing 10 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: all right? Yeah? Man, I know for a fact that 11 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: you're not, Uh, because I have an abandoned house across 12 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: from me. Do you really? Yeah, We're gonna work in 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: some personal details here. Well that's good man, because um, 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: I feel like if there's anything personal in this world, 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: it's an empty, unused house. Okay, you know, especially one 16 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: that's left in your neighborhood. Isn't that a big like 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: f you to the rest of the people who live there? Yeah? 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: I've actually got two side by side. Now. Oh that's delightful. Yeah, 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: that's great man, because as you already understand, and now 20 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: I understand from researching this, and our listeners will soon understand, 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: that's a real problem. Yeah, just one is a real problem. 22 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: Two side by side. You may want to run a bulldozer. Well, 23 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: there may be a happy ending. Okay, we'll play it 24 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: out dramatically over the course of the show. That's good man. Um, 25 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: so we should probably set the set the stage for everybody. 26 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: It's the early to mid two thousand's sweet. Yeah, the 27 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: first decade, early to mid part of the first decade. 28 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm in Los Angeles. Yeah, okay, um, and the real 29 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: estate boom is in full swing. Everybody's forgotten about the 30 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: dot com bubble? What was that? That was a fluke? 31 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: You know, Let's start investing in real estate. Will make 32 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: it like nineteen twenties Florida. And these prices, sure do 33 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: you seem exorbitant, but hey, I'm sure we'll make our 34 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: money back. And this bubble just keeps growing and growing 35 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: and growing, and people are buying like four or five 36 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: six houses, and I mean like people, not not companies, 37 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: like people who are just flipping it. Then all Ice 38 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: gets a show about flipping um real estate, like, there's 39 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: flipped this actually, well yeah, okay, it's still it came 40 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: out of this and this bubble is just growing and 41 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: growing and growing. Then all of a sudden, it just pops, 42 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: and it popped because everybody figured out that the prices 43 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: for the houses were more than they were worth. Bubble 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: head grown. It was artificial, there was an artificial market, 45 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: and everybody just kind of walked away. It was a 46 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: truly fascinating it was. It was fascinating and scary, but 47 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: also it was like just to watch it. I mean, 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: we watched it, we chronicled, but argually so the bubble bursts. 49 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people, those speculators, investors and 50 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: ordinary people who took out terrible, terrible loans and over 51 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: extending themselves, um oftentimes with the hands of predators. There's 52 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people to blame. But there were a 53 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: lot of houses that suddenly we're not worth what they 54 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: had been paid for ye or house flippers that you know, 55 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: maybe said my job, I kind of hate. I can 56 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: flip a house. People are getting rich doing this, right 57 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: And not only that, I can, actually the access to 58 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: credit is so easy right now, I can afford six 59 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: of them and take this kind of blighted area and 60 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: fix these six houses up and just create a whole 61 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: new neighborhood out of it, and some of those people 62 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: were left not with a single family that just got 63 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: burned or burn themselves on one house, but like, I've 64 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: got six or seven houses now that I'm underwater on 65 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: and I'm going to foreclose on all of them or 66 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: maybe just leave. And that was enoughtion that a lot 67 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: of people took. Here's the thing, a lot of those 68 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: people did this under the guise of LLC's and so 69 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: they didn't have to file for bankruptcy there. Their LLC 70 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: just had to go away. Their liability was limited, exactly, 71 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: it was very limited. Um. So there's a lot of 72 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: people out there who just walked away from their houses. 73 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: And those houses now this is two two nine, um. 74 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: Those houses now are just sitting there abandoned in cities 75 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: all over the country. Of course, Detroit has it worse, 76 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of other cities that have it 77 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: pretty bad too. Um. And actually Detroit is kind of 78 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: leading the way and figuring out what to do with 79 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: these houses because right now they're sitting there. Even as 80 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: the market recovers. The houses that are left over, that 81 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: are abandoned are in really bad shape. So they're the 82 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: ones that aren't going anywhere ever. And now we all 83 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: have to figure out as a society what to do 84 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: with these things. So who longs an abandoned house? Well, 85 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: we'll get to that, Okay, I want some stats, all right, 86 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, that's last year, two point three million 87 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: homes were foreclosed on nationwide. Compare that to two thousand, 88 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: four hundred and seventy thousand homes were foreclosed on. So 89 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: it's quite a jump. Um, it looks like things peaked 90 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven at about three point nine million 91 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: homes in that year. Uh. And now we're kind of 92 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: back down to like mid two thousand seven levels. Um. 93 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: And then I just pulled this today Florida and they 94 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: do this like monthly quarterly. Florida is in pretty bad 95 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: shape right now. Like forget Detroit. Uh, they lead the 96 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: country with UM one out of every one hundred and 97 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: four housing units is in foreclosure in Florida. UM. Nevada 98 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: is next at one in every one, fifteen, Illinois one 99 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: and everyone seven, Ohio one and everyone eighty eight. And 100 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: then Georgia one in every two hundred housing units is 101 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: being foreclosed on. Yeah, and uh, Florida has I think 102 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 1: four of the top five metropolitan areas in the country 103 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: as well for just four closed homes. Yeah, Miami's number one, Orlando, Okalla, Jacksonville, 104 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: and then Las Vegas is number four. So what is 105 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: a bad shape? Although we are going to be talking 106 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: about Detroit because this article talked about Detroit. Well, there's 107 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: a big difference between and this is why Detroit comes up. 108 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: Detroit probably has more empty houses, especially per capita, than 109 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: any other city in in the country. And I think 110 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: eighty thousand businesses factories are homes right now. So what 111 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: I saw most recently was um, something liked and seventy 112 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 1: two abandoned homes. Well, it probably depends on where engaged 113 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: stats um. And that's out of something like three hundred 114 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: and seventy thousand in total. Yeah, so something about like 115 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: thirty six percent of Detroit's residential spaces are empty, abandoned, yeah, vacant. Yeah. 116 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: Like remember the Silver Dome deal, know, the where the 117 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions played since nineteen seventy five. It cost fifty 118 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: five million bucks to build it in nineteen and it's 119 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: sold in two thousand nine for five hundred and eighty 120 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: three thousand. Yeah, what do they do with it? The 121 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: dude is fixing it? Up apparently, and they have had 122 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: like a friendly soccer match there and a monster truck 123 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: jam there. He's reinvesting in it. Um, that's good. Apparently 124 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: it's going to live. But the dude steel like feels 125 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: a twenty million dollar deal that fell apart and then 126 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: this guyot for half a million bucks. That's all. He's 127 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: just some dude. I'll bet he worth Hawaiian shirt. Uh. Yeah, 128 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what he wears. I would I don't know. 129 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: For that much money, I would turn it into like 130 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: the biggest house, the studio apartment, and I'll bet you're 131 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: a heating built and kill you every winner. Yeah, I 132 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: just built small fires the silver domes where I saw 133 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: my first rodeo. Really Yeah, well you can probably see 134 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: a rodeo there again probably or just livestock kind of 135 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: grazing inside. Okay, so hold anament there. I think it's 136 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: time for a message break. Uh, and we're back. So 137 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about the vacant homes. Like, there's a big 138 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: difference between foreclosed homes and even like when it's in foreclosures, 139 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of different aspects to it. Yeah, they 140 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: can stay a foreclosure for years essentially be a vacant home. 141 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: You can get your first letter um of an intent 142 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: to foreclose. That means your house is in foreclosure. You 143 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: can the the company who actually kicked you out could 144 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: be bidding on it on the courthouse steps. That's the 145 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: end of foreclosure. And there's a lot of stuff in between. 146 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of foreclosures that just don't go 147 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: all the way through. So the house is technically still 148 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: in foreclosure even though it hasn't been repossessed by the 149 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: bank um and the person may still be living in 150 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: there under those circumstances. So forth closed doesn't equal vacant. 151 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it's there's So it's such a mess 152 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: right now. Sometimes it's hard to even get anyone to 153 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: claim ownership of some of these houses, like they don't 154 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: know which because banks would sell the loans to other institutions, 155 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's already even tracked down, all right, who 156 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: actually owns this place? Right exactly? So let me give 157 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: you an instance. If you um own a home and 158 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: the bank says, hey, you're behind on payments, we're gonna 159 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: kick you out. Uh, you move out, they foreclosed, uh. 160 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: And it comes down to the time when the sheriff's 161 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: department holds an auction on the county steps. They steps 162 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: to the county courthouse, and the bank doesn't show up 163 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: to bid on it, and nobody does. That original owner 164 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: who is out of the house still owns that house 165 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: by right right, But that owner may have no idea 166 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: because I mean, you don't necessarily follow up on the 167 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: house that you were kicked out of five years ago. 168 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: So they might not even know, and they've moved and 169 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: they might not know that they own the house. The bank, 170 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: even if they did foreclosed, may say that they don't 171 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: technically own it. And the well reason these houses are 172 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: hot potatoes is because all this time that property that's 173 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: sitting there is accruing taxes yea, and eventually it may 174 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 1: be worth less than the amount of taxes and leans 175 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: against it, so that the people who actually own it 176 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: don't want to claim possession of it because they're gonna 177 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: have to pay all those things. So these houses just 178 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: sit and eventually the concept of ownership over them fades. Yeah, 179 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: that's that's the case with the house across the street 180 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: from me. Um, here's the deal. We bought our house 181 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: in foreclosure and are now turning it around, or we 182 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: decided we're just gonna stay there forever because it's done 183 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: some very great things with that. I appreciate that, um. 184 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: But across the street is a house has been vacant 185 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 1: since we moved in eight years ago or whatever, and 186 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: every couple of months, this lady would come by in 187 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: a truck with the dude with the lawmower to cut 188 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: the grass. She would sit in a truck and then 189 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: they would leave. And that's only action I've ever seen. 190 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: They quit doing that. So it's looks like you would 191 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: anticipate a house looking has been cared for for at 192 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: least a year. It's all overgrown, weeds, plants growing into 193 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: the house. The rear of the house is busted out 194 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: at the bottom so like people can get in and out, 195 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: and supposedly there's been like vagrants sleeping in there. I 196 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: haven't verified this, but that's like you know, the neighborhood rumors. 197 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: So it's a derrelict house. And one of the neighbors 198 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: I think filed which we'll talk about with the county 199 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: to like get something done. And apparently there are some 200 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: back taxes OWD. So this lady may be washing her 201 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: hands of it. Just the very fact that there's a 202 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: house built on a piece of property that somebody owns 203 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: means that there's taxes accruing. And now that your neighbor 204 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: called the called code services and co code enforcement, that 205 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: means that they're going to come out and start writing 206 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: tickets assessments against the house, like for the law not 207 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: being cut, for being some sort of NUIs sense, like 208 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: maybe there's fired Codevilla la whatever, water problems, and there's 209 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: like rats and stuff. Now like you if your house floods, 210 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: you have to buy law clear it out, and if 211 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: you don't, they assess against you. And so all these 212 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: things just add up to the amount of money that 213 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: somebody would have to pay to gain full and free 214 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: possession of this house, which makes it even more unattractive. 215 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: So it's like this vicious cycle that's going on pretty much. 216 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: And you you um kind of hit the nail on 217 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: the head with mentioning that vagrants are possibly living in there. 218 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: Because the one of the biggest problems, rather than you know, 219 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: vermin or flooding or you know, the mosquitoes that develop 220 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: and in long tall, uncut grass, is the fact that 221 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: abandoned houses tend to attract crime. Yeah, uh in a 222 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: big way. UM. What do we have some stats here 223 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: from Queens, New York between two thousand and six and 224 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: two thousand eight. UM, In two thousand eight, neighborhoods and 225 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: Queens that had high foreclosure rates at an average of 226 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: four D twenty four more burglaries, robberies, and murders and 227 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: auto thefts than in areas with lower foreclosure rates. That's 228 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: up a hundred and fifty in two years. And that's 229 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: in Queens, which is transitional in parts but not a 230 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: bad neighborhood at all. Uh. And apparently in Detroit, in 231 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: what was Mitt Romney's old childhood home, like really nice neighborhood. 232 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: Apparently crime increases in these neighborhoods as well, at about 233 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: the same rate, not aggregate number of crimes, but at 234 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: the same percentage increase. I think right, that's a big um. 235 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: That's a big finding. Um. Apparently they raised Mitt Romney's 236 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: birthplace birthplace home in Detroit. But the um, there's this 237 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: whole idea. UM it's called broken windows theory. And these 238 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: two guys named um oh, George Kelling and James Wilson 239 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: came up with this idea that UM, if you police 240 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: small off like if you, if you, if you like 241 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: really throw the pickpockets in jail, and like write tickets 242 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: to teenagers who are like playing their music too loud, 243 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: and make sure that the broken windows and like a 244 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: house are repaired. Like you kind of sustained the sense 245 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,479 Speaker 1: of order, and from order, you know, comes the abidment 246 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: of law supposedly, so it trickles up pretty much. Yeah, 247 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: it is this paying attention to the small stuff supposedly 248 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: has an effect on the big stuff. It makes total sense, um, 249 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: But studies have kind of found, like there's not a 250 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: lot of actual quantitative evidence backing this up necessarily, but 251 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: it creates this mindset um they think that possibly, like 252 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: everyone points to Times Square, so like the police commissioner 253 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: who came in with Giuliani and like cleaned up Times Square, 254 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: he was in the broken windows. I can't even imagine now, 255 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: I never went to Time Square and it was like 256 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: that I saw the tail end of it. I can't 257 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: imagine what it must have been like. If you watch 258 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: basket Case, he's walking around Times Square, It's like that's 259 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: Times Square, that's Times Squire's crazy. You know, where's the 260 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: Disney store exactly? Um, but so the commissioner was into 261 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: broken windows policing, and they very firmly believe like that's 262 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: what cleaned up Times Square. A lot of people say, well, 263 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: maybe it was the end of the crack epidemic. Maybe 264 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: that cleaned up Times Square. Maybe it was lead got 265 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: out of our our brains. Remember that one, Remember that 266 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: the real criminal element lead from Mother Jones is awesome 267 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: article that ties together the decline and crime in New 268 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: York and elsewhere to the decline and the prevalence of 269 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: lead in like our air in the world. Um So, 270 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of other things that it could be. 271 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: But there's this idea that if you if you fix 272 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: the windows in an abandoned home, the crime will decrease. 273 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: But like you said, they find the same amount of 274 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: crime in nice areas or you know, already low income areas. Yeah, 275 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: I think it's the same increase in crime rate because 276 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't think there's no way it could be the 277 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: same amount of crime right once the house is vacated there, 278 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: So like even if you live in a good neighborhood, 279 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: you're still going to see like if that half a 280 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: million dollar home is vacant, you're gonna see increasing crime. Yeah, 281 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: and that kind of supports that broken windows theory. Yeah, 282 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: is that true, though, I just have a hard time 283 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: believing that, Um, percentage wise, it could probably be the same. Yeah, 284 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: because think about it. If you have, like, um, I'm 285 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: just trying to picture my brother's neighborhood and like, if 286 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: there were a couple of empty homes there, like there 287 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't be like rapes and murders and drug deals going 288 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: down there. Well, think about this if you if you 289 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: he lives in a nice neighborhood. At my point, if 290 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: you have, like, if you have like ten burglaries in 291 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: an area and the a new abandoned house opens up, 292 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: ten more burglaries happen, it's a increase. If you have 293 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: one burglary in an area and open abandoned how opens 294 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: up in a high income here you have one, that's 295 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: another increase. I can buy that statistics, you know. Yeah, 296 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: I hear you, But it does make sense. Yeah. Yeah. 297 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: The reason why is because an abandoned home attracts people 298 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: who normally, um might not have a place to congregate 299 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: and carry out illegal activity. Yeah, do drugs squat I'm 300 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: not gonna judge squatters, but a right uh, so what 301 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: can you do. We realize it's a blade on the neighborhood, 302 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: crime goes up. It's no good for anyone we feel 303 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: sorry for, you know, if it is a family that 304 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: couldn't afford their house, it's very sad. And actually, actually 305 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: the house next to this one, I do feel really 306 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: bad because his family lived there for a long time. 307 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: The guy was a trucker and out of nowhere. One 308 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: week I looked up and noticed the truck wasn't in 309 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: the driveway, and no furniture was in the house, and 310 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: there was like, you know, sheet of paper tape to 311 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: the front door. It's a good out. I don't know 312 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: what it said. I guess I'm not sure what the 313 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: deal is, but you can get this guy. You should 314 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: tell him that he may still own that house. I 315 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: don't know if he owned it though, to be honest, 316 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: he may have been a renter. Oh well, that's another thing, like, yeah, 317 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: if you're renting in somethings forth clothes on your well. Yeah, 318 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: but this lady I know did own the house and 319 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: possibly good news. Just yesterday I saw two dudes checking 320 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: it out, and of course I hustle out there and 321 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: was like, hey, dude, are you going to buy this house? 322 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: And he was being ky. I think he totally is, 323 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: but he said maybe someone sure is and I said great. 324 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: I guess he was trying to like, good to meet you, 325 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: a weirdo, sniff me off the case or something, and 326 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: sniff off the case. There's never been like an older adage, 327 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: or it's actually not old. He's made it up. But um, yeah, 328 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: he was trying to get me off his case, I think. 329 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: And so I was like, dude, please buy this house 330 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: and fix it up. But that's what we're after here. Yeah, 331 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: he's going to hit you up for a subsidy. Now 332 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, played all your cards. So what do 333 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: you do. Let's say that guy had never showed up 334 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: and you had not one but to abandoned homes in 335 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: the neighborhoods. Well, you could do what I think the 336 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: next door neighbor to the house did, which was called 337 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: the county and here they called it a Darryl house. 338 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: I guess, um, you would just call the code enforcement 339 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: officer and explain the situation and they will, you know, 340 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: six months later, probably start to do some investigating as 341 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: to the back taxes, who owns it, what, like state 342 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: it's in, Yeah, inspections, that kind of thing exactly, and 343 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: then they'll start writing tickets against it, and there'll be 344 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: more and more leans try to find the owner um, 345 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: and like we said, that can get very very difficult. 346 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: And then even when you find the owner, it may 347 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: be an LLC that disbanded and no longer has any 348 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: legal obligation to to claim ownership of that place. Um. 349 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: And at that point when it becomes unclear as to 350 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: who owns the place um. Some counties is becoming such 351 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: a problem that some counties are setting up land trusts, yeah, 352 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: where like they'll take a certain percentage of property taxes, 353 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: especially ones that are like back taxes that are paid, 354 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: Like when that guy across the street buys that house, 355 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to pay those taxes in addition to 356 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: to purchasing it. So even if the county takes possession 357 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: that somebody is still gonna have to pay those back 358 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: taxes usually, right, Yeah, So the county might take like 359 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: five percent of those and set it aside into this 360 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: land trust for for houses that no one will ever claim, 361 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: and they'll either use it to raise the place to 362 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: rehabilitate the place, um. Maybe they'll use it to subsidize 363 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: a community development group that wants to turn it into 364 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: a community center. There's a lot of like new ideas 365 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: that people are, you know, coming up with to handle 366 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: abandoned properties because it's becoming such a problem. Well, it's 367 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: definitely hard to wrap your head around as an American 368 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: there being that many homeless people and that many abandoned homes. 369 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying no, just move all the homeless 370 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: people in there, because it's way more complicated than that, obviously, 371 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: but it's definitely kind of weird to think about. Well. Yeah, well, 372 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's so complicated. Like even if you said, 373 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm tired of this, I'm gonna go 374 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: across the street and mow the lawn. You could be sued. Yeah, 375 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: you could be sued. If you hurt yourself, you could 376 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: be arrested for trespassing. If you hurt yourself, you could 377 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: be sued, you could be liable for insurance on the property. 378 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot of like it's extremely complex and it's 379 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: extremely intricate, and then throw into the mix that you 380 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: might not know who the owner is. Yeah, and nobody 381 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: wants to touch this place. What if I snuck over 382 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: in the dead of night to steal an azalea bush? 383 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: What does the law say about that? Probably trespassing and theft. Okay, 384 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: but it's all petty. I haven't done that. Just don't 385 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: break your ankle on the property that threatened to do that, Well, 386 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: don't because that'll be bad for you. It's really it's 387 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,959 Speaker 1: like the nicest plant on that and there's only one 388 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 1: nice plan on the property. I feel like that may 389 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: be a trophy for having to look at this place. Yeah, 390 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: maybe we'll see. Yeah, I don't know. If that thing disappears, 391 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: it's not my faulty. Even though it's in your backyard. 392 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: To some planet, it would definitely not be in my 393 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: right yard. Um, you got anything else? Um? Yeah, Well, 394 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: we talked about Detroit Um to open the show and 395 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: the fact that they have a lot of houses that 396 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: they are raising. That's how they're taking care of their problem. 397 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: Just yesterday, the city has decided to uh utilize about 398 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars and unused federal funds originally intended 399 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: to prevent foreclosures to quote aggressively address blight. That's what 400 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: the Governor, Rick Snyder said, yesterday and they're gonna use 401 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: some of that money and they planned to UH finance 402 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: the demolition of about four thousand structures. And that's just 403 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: the Michigan State Housing Development Authority. There's another effort going 404 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: on that is on track to demolish ten thousand abandoned 405 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: houses by the end of the first full term. Would 406 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: be significant. Yeah, that would be fourteen out of eighty 407 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: to nine thousand. Well plus also the three thousand that 408 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: Detroit already so close to twenty and then they're about 409 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: a quarter of the way there. There was the I 410 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: don't know if you read the article I sent you, 411 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: um from Dayton, there was this lady. She she found 412 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: she was kicked out of her house. Um, the foreclosure 413 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: process was never followed through on, so she actually still 414 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: owned the place and she got in touch with her 415 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: She somehow found out I guess like maybe a code 416 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: enforcement officer contacted or about back taxes or whatever. So 417 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: she got in touch with her bank and then basically 418 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: renegotiated her loan and after five years was able to 419 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: move back into her house. Wow. The only thing was 420 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: she was kicking herself, like I just spent five years 421 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: paying rent when I could have been paying down this mortgage, 422 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: which sucks. But you know she found her way back 423 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: to her house after like five years, which is pretty cool. 424 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: It's a nice silver lining to shut up about the rent. Right. 425 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: Happy you got your house back? Yeah, uh, I got 426 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: nothing else, okay. Uh. If you want to learn more 427 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: about Abandon Holmes, you can type that word those words 428 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: into uh the sir bar stuff works dot com. You 429 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: can also type in sniff me off the case. See 430 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: what happens. Man. I'm curious about that one I just 431 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: made up. I'm gonna officially like, how do you claim that? Can? 432 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: You can I copyright that somehow? Um? Yeah, just write 433 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: it down on a letter and mail it to yourself, 434 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: mail it to you. It's it's an iron clad legally alright. 435 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: Um so I think I said iron clad, which means 436 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: it's time for a message break and now it's listening 437 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: to mail time. Great. I'm gonna call this grunge beef. 438 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: Remember we talked a little bit about Sound Garden, sound 439 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: Garden and Pearl Jam and all those bands and oh 440 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: how they didn't like each other. Yeah, apparently someone's gotta 441 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: beef with that Paul Hilt of Waukisha, Wisconsin. Guys, I'm 442 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: a longtime fan and extremely important bone to pick regarding 443 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: the Trees podcast, He's gonna sniff us off the case. 444 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: I feel I need to let you know that the 445 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: members of Pearl Jam and Sound Garden and their respective 446 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: fans have always had a friendly relationship. You may recall 447 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: that the short lived Temple of the Dog Remember Them Yeah, 448 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: tribute band to late Andrew Wood, lead singer of Mother 449 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: Love Bone, consisted of the members of Bolk Pearl Jam 450 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: songs Eddie Vetter with Chris Cornell on vocals, although Eddie 451 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 1: Better did sing in their most popular song, that one 452 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: about Stephen Brett Yeah hunder strike Um. Chris Cornell was 453 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: also briefly a roommate of one of the members of 454 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: Pearl Jam in the pre crunge era of early nineties Seattle. 455 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: I forget exactly which one at the moment. Additionally, Matt Cameron, 456 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: the original drummer for Sound Garden, has been Pearl Jams 457 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: drummer for the last fifteen years. I did this while 458 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm at it. Members of Alison Chains and Pearl Jam 459 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: also collaborated in the so called supergroup Mike McCready p 460 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: j's Pearl James guitarist and Lane Staley were both part 461 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: of Mad Season Remember Them, which is recently released a 462 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: deluxe remaster box set of their only studio album. Above, 463 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: it was Nirvana and Pearl Jan that had the so 464 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: called rivalry in the nineties. Josh. The rivalry mostly consisted 465 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: on the part of the fans was inspired by many 466 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: of Kurt Cobain's jabs at Pearl Jam for being a 467 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: quote corporate rock band. Take that, Pearl Jam. Hopefully you'll 468 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: excuse the grunge ERAa nerd um of this email. But 469 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: this is a topic that it's very close to my 470 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: rapidly fading youth, and it's Friday and I don't want 471 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: to work. If you enjoy the history of this area, 472 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: I highly recommend the Cameron Crow produced and directed documentary 473 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: p J twenty for calling the twenty year history the pajamas. 474 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: Oh wait, Pearl Jam. If the history doesn't interest you 475 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: at all, there's still lots of good music I have 476 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: been made gazing that. Thanks for all the great work, 477 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: even if it prevents me from doing my own work. 478 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: Paul hilt Uh while Kesha, Wisconsin, I think so Hey, 479 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: thank you Paul Hilt. We appreciate the lesson. It's nice. 480 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: We were just kidding, but thank you. I'm glad it's 481 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: fawing this little history lesson. It was Nirvana. I forgot 482 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: about Nirvana and Pearl Jam having a little, a little friction. 483 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: Let me see how that ended. Yeah, Pearl Jam got 484 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: a documentary made about their twenty years and Nirvanna went away. 485 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: Nirvana went on becoming cold band forever. That's right. Uh, 486 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: let's see if you want to give us a little 487 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: history lesson. We love those things. They're awesome. Like seriously, 488 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: please send us on. This isn't just me coming up 489 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: with an easy sign off. Um, you can tweet to us. 490 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: It would be a pretty short history lesson. But you 491 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: can send us something to s y s K podcast. 492 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: That's our Twitter handle. You can post on our Facebook page, 493 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: which is Stuff you Should Know. 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