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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Bunch podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. We've had him on the pop before. Justin

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Speaker 1: Parsons JP. Obviously it's always great to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: But your players keep winning. Aldrick Pottgeiger I hope I

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Speaker 1: pronounced that correctly, gets his first win on the PGA

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Speaker 1: Tour British Am champ in twenty twenty two. Played some

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Speaker 1: on the corn Ferry. But one of these players that

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Speaker 1: everybody has really been talking about for the last two

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Speaker 1: three years, just unbelievable speed. How did this kind of

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Speaker 1: partnership come about? Did he reach out to you? Did

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Speaker 1: you see him at a tournament?

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Speaker 2: How did that happen? Well, you know, Claude, really since

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Speaker 2: since you and I have really gotten to know one another.

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Speaker 2: You know, we worked at Ernie ELS's golf course in Dubai,

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Speaker 2: and Ernie was a planned of yours and someone that

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Speaker 2: I learned a great deal from. And you know, from there,

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Speaker 2: I was fortunate enough to work for Charles Schwartzel for

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Speaker 2: a couple of years, and I've been working for lou

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Speaker 2: Ustausan for seven or eight years. And you know, it's

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Speaker 2: easy for those of us who see these guys. You know,

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Speaker 2: the South African players are their their hero worship done

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Speaker 2: at home and Louis is a great academy down there,

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Speaker 2: and Aldric had been in his academy on a couple

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Speaker 2: of different occasions, with a brief hiatus where he moved

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Speaker 2: to Australia. So you know, really the coordination of that

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Speaker 2: was through Louis and you know, Aldric's family trying to

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Speaker 2: figure out who they might go and see in the

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Speaker 2: in the United States, and you know, haven't had some

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Speaker 2: experience with the way that these guys from South Africa think,

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Speaker 2: and obviously having some experience with one of the guys

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Speaker 2: that they hold to high esteem. You know, when Aldrick

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Speaker 2: came along, I already had a little bit of trust

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Speaker 2: in it. And you know, again like you and I

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Speaker 2: talk about a lot, you know, the pedigree that this

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Speaker 2: lot had. He won the Junior Invitational at Sage Volley

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Speaker 2: by you know, I think it was more than six shots.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure it was ten shots or eight shots,

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Speaker 2: but won the British Amateur Championship. We saw him, you know,

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Speaker 2: putting his head up in Mexico and probably could have

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Speaker 2: should have won the ned Bank this year in South

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Speaker 2: Africa as well, so incredibly gifted player. It's a privilege

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Speaker 2: to be working for somebody like we have to keep,

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Speaker 2: you know, reminding ourselves, like your father is always till

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Speaker 2: me that your prime objective is don't screw them up.

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Speaker 1: The speed this kid has, I mean everybody's been talking

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Speaker 1: about it, but ball speed, clubhead speed numbers. What type

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Speaker 1: of speeds are we looking at? Was he cruise at

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Speaker 1: with the driver?

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Speaker 2: Well, the incredible thing that he really cruises from a

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Speaker 2: ball speed perspective of about one ninety two to one

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Speaker 2: ninety four with the driver. You know, it's also interesting

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Speaker 2: that when he's doing that, he doesn't even look like

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Speaker 2: he's going that hard on it, which, you know, I

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Speaker 2: think his testament to his athletic base and his sequencing

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Speaker 2: and his natural ability. You know, we saw one pop

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Speaker 2: pop up to like a one ninety six, so you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he's capable of clubhead speeds in the mid

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Speaker 2: one thirties if he really wanted to do that. But

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Speaker 2: you're relatively speaking to the way he swings the club

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Speaker 2: and the way he moves. You know, for a for

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Speaker 2: a long hitter, he's relatively disciplined. You know, his footwork

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Speaker 2: for a long hitter is excellent. And you know, we've

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Speaker 2: obviously seen our thoughts on footwork change a little bit

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Speaker 2: in the last couple of years as to what Scottie

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Speaker 2: Schaeffer has done. You know, but certainly one thirty five's

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Speaker 2: he would be capable of, but a crew using clubhead

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Speaker 2: speed of one twenty six, one twenty nine, ball speeds

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Speaker 2: in the upper one eighties and into the one nineties

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Speaker 2: when he's into adrenaline fueled kind of moments and does

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Speaker 2: it with a lot of ease. So you know, part

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Speaker 2: of what you and I have spoken about is that

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Speaker 2: that leaves some big gaps in his in his golf bag,

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Speaker 2: and he's got to control his spin and he has

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Speaker 2: to control his distance and with his technique. One of

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Speaker 2: the things I've been trying to help him with is

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Speaker 2: to help him understand, you know, when he is these

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Speaker 2: big gapping issues, what mechanically kind of breaks down in

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Speaker 2: order for him to lose control of the golf ball,

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Speaker 2: not the way most of us lose control of the

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Speaker 2: golf ball towards us, but loses control of the golf

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Speaker 2: ball away from him. And you know, when he gets

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Speaker 2: the golf club inside alongside of the very close, relatively speaking,

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Speaker 2: closed club face that he has. You know, he delofs

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Speaker 2: indicative of something, you know that's going to go a

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Speaker 2: job keeping it in front of him. We worked really

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Speaker 2: down to a golf club near Aiken in South Carolina

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Speaker 2: sixth in Colonial, so he was you know, I wasn't

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Speaker 2: particularly surprised he went well in Detroit. He'd been in

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Speaker 2: South Africa and had a nice long break, which is

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Speaker 2: good for you know, for those who are from there,

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Speaker 2: they tend to do really well after like a little

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Speaker 1: And I'm going through this right now with Noah Kent,

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Speaker 1: who I've had on the podcast. I mean, speed can

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Speaker 1: be a blessing, but when you get to these really

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Speaker 1: really high high speed right we saw this with Bryson.

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Speaker 1: There is a rate of diminishing return the faster you

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Speaker 1: swing the golf club, because the further you hit it,

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Speaker 1: the further off line you're going to hit it. And

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Speaker 1: then like you talked about, and I had you know,

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Speaker 1: the other big tall South African, James Hart. I had

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Speaker 1: him on the podcast a couple of years ago. He

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Speaker 1: was talking to me about the yardages that he hits

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Speaker 1: all the clubs, And I don't think the average golfer

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Speaker 1: realizes that you can have so much speed that you

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Speaker 1: can get a shot on the golf course from you know,

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Speaker 1: a guy like Oldric from one hundred and fifty yards,

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Speaker 1: he's trying to manufacture some type of golf swing in

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Speaker 1: some type of movement to hit the golf ball a

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Speaker 1: So yes, it helps from a distance standpoint, But what's

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Speaker 1: his wedge game like? And have you had to make

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Speaker 1: any tweaks JP to his wedge game to find him

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Speaker 1: some shots, because I'm sure there are some dead zones

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Speaker 1: in his yardages to where he doesn't have a club

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the guys from titleist Liam McDougall, in particular,

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Speaker 2: Liam has become a great friend and kind of compatriate

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Speaker 2: helped Aldick understand how equipment can be your friend when

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Speaker 2: that the wedge gapping has done really really well. And

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Speaker 2: you know what I've tried to do is help him

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Speaker 2: you know, eight or ten years ago, we started really

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Speaker 2: and something that you need to be respectful of. I

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Speaker 2: also think we have to help the young players recognize

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Speaker 2: And the main thing I think with these longer ones,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean, I think that's that's always the

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Speaker 1: thing to where you take someone with a lot of speed,

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Speaker 1: Dave so Ups a TPI and Gregg kind of took

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Speaker 1: a lot of and the video that Greg talked about,

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Speaker 1: he talked about, you know, ground force, that idea of

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Speaker 1: But the best players in the world they apply that

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Speaker 1: force and the long hitters that force gets delayed, and

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Speaker 1: that was one of the things that Greg was talking about.

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Speaker 1: Aldrick's ability to kind of break later really helps him

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Speaker 1: create a lot of this speed and a lot of

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Speaker 1: his power.

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Speaker 2: You know, Aldrick's is as good as anybody in the

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Speaker 2: is when you look at people who do that really well,

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Speaker 2: they tend to exhibit really nice rhythms in the golf

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Speaker 2: slightly different to Aldric's, but you know, it's a similar

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Speaker 2: The club face is very much delayed the pivot and

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Speaker 2: There's an awful lot of kind of like natural de

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Speaker 2: he's doing something at high speed with a fairly stable

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Speaker 2: if you put those two matchups together, you see him

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Speaker 2: driving it really straight under pressure, and if guys that

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Speaker 2: our job helping to educate and train them with the

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Speaker 2: finer details of distance, spin control, and then they can

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Speaker 2: do the rest of the stuff because they're really good golfers.

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Speaker 2: Then they've become kind of hard to live with.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I noticed in that video that

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Speaker 1: doctor Greg Rose posted when Aldrich went out to TPI

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Speaker 1: is that separation between upper body and lower body. You

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Speaker 1: the separation between the upper body and the lower body

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Speaker 1: you know, forty five percent. I mean he gets almost sixty,

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Speaker 1: so he gets that kind of really really good load.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that I love about is golf swing

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Speaker 1: for a big log here when Bryson was trying to

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Speaker 1: gain distance and was doing all his long drive stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Bryson talked a lot about trying to move

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that he does that the people listening

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I think he does what we

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about this equipment, Jad, what do we

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Speaker 2: down the handle of the club, stands in a little

434
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Speaker 2: bit closer to the golf ball, narrows his stance, changes

435
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Speaker 2: his foot arrangement a little bit to take a little

436
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Speaker 2: bit of the athleticism out of his legs, and he

437
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Speaker 2: plays like what I would probably refer to would be

438
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Speaker 2: like a like say an ear high to ear high

439
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 2: kind of arms swing or hand swing. Three quarter is yeah,

440
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Speaker 2: three quarter is so that that kind of one doing shot.

441
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Speaker 2: You know something, you know you would remember watching Tiger

442
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Speaker 2: do a lot when he's controlling spin and things like that.

443
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Speaker 2: And you know when again, when when a guy like Goldwig,

444
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Speaker 2: is that all of a sudden, you know, rather than

445
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,199
Speaker 2: the eight iron being stuck in there at like one

446
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Speaker 2: eighty five, you know, all of a sudden he's got

447
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Speaker 2: a one seventy two or a one eighty five with

448
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Speaker 2: his eight iron and he's maybe got a one fifty

449
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Speaker 2: four and a one seventy with a nine iron, so

450
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 2: he can now start to hit the ball at different flagsticks,

451
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Speaker 2: control the spin a little bit better, and that's, you know,

452
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Speaker 2: it's certainly something I was very proud of him, you know,

453
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Speaker 2: watching him do that. Albeit you know, in the playoff

454
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Speaker 2: with adrenaline and things, he's going a little harder at things,

455
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Speaker 2: and you know, we both know that's probably the right

456
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Speaker 2: the right answer to you know, to that question. But

457
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Speaker 2: you know, for him learning that, you know, you've got

458
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Speaker 2: to have a couple of different swings and golf to

459
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Speaker 2: be able to produce different outcomes, and taking some of

460
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Speaker 2: that speed away has been a has been a big

461
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Speaker 2: part of it.

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Speaker 1: I like the way you described that I've never heard

463
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Speaker 1: of describe that. It's almost like, you know, you're flying

464
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Speaker 1: the plane at full speed at a certain altitude, but

465
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Speaker 1: you've also got to be able to get the plane

466
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Speaker 1: to fly maybe just a little bit under the top

467
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Speaker 1: altitude or the top speed. And the way that you

468
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Speaker 1: describe Louis saying, it's it's one down from what my

469
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Speaker 1: full swing is jp trajectory wise, what's the trajectory like

470
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Speaker 1: with the long stuff, what's the trajectory like with the

471
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Speaker 1: shorter stuff. Where do you want the trajectory to be

472
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Speaker 1: throughout the bag?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the cool things, you know,

474
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Speaker 2: for me, one of the things that I noticed with

475
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Speaker 2: some of these high speed guys that really makes me

476
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Speaker 2: kind of prick my ears up. And you know, you

477
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Speaker 2: your family have always told me that, you know, you've

478
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Speaker 2: got to start to really understand when you have somebody

479
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Speaker 2: who's really really good. You know, you hopefully get to

480
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Speaker 2: a point where you know it. But his ability to

481
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Speaker 2: change trajectory is quite impressive. You know, he'll he'll stand

482
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Speaker 2: in there with a driver and he'll hit a flat

483
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Speaker 2: one that might peak at seventy feet seventy five feet,

484
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Speaker 2: and then you had a high one that might peak

485
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Speaker 2: at one hundred and forty feet. So being able to

486
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Speaker 2: do that, I think is a real skill in itself,

487
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Speaker 2: and that would again lend me to the idea that

488
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Speaker 2: he's going to be somebody who can control his distance.

489
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Speaker 2: If he's got great hands, that he can control his trajectory.

490
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Speaker 2: He can probably control his distance. But you know, he'll

491
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Speaker 2: he'll shift it up there when he wants to. He'll

492
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Speaker 2: he'll shift it up there and put it up in

493
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Speaker 2: the sky. But you've got to remember this lad also

494
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Speaker 2: won the British Amateur Championship, or the Amateur Championship as

495
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Speaker 2: I prefer to call it, and I've got into a

496
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Speaker 2: situation where he was, you know, he was able to

497
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Speaker 2: control trajectory really at a at a fairly young age.

498
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Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that I would I would know

499
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Speaker 2: exactly what I would want from his trajectory. I think

500
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Speaker 2: that with the speed that he has, he's always going

501
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Speaker 2: to be someone who's going to be able to take

502
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Speaker 2: it up into the sky. But of course with a

503
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Speaker 2: little bit more spin on the ball recently, he's going

504
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Speaker 2: to find maybe a little bit more of that. And

505
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Speaker 2: I'm kind of looking forward to to seeing him next

506
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Speaker 2: week at the Renaiscellance Club in Scotland, just to see

507
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Speaker 2: how he plays links golf and what is kind of

508
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: natural adaptation processes with that, because with so many of

509
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Speaker 2: these great players, I remember watching you over the years

510
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Speaker 2: going to the Open Championship and you'd have a you'd

511
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Speaker 2: have a bunch of guys there and I'd stand behind

512
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Speaker 2: watching you and all of a sudden, I see, you know,

513
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Speaker 2: Jimmy Walker or Gary Woodland or one of the guys.

514
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Speaker 2: I think that doesn't look like their normal flight, and

515
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Speaker 2: they're brilliant at just making it okay. This week, it's

516
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Speaker 2: going to come down a little bit, and it's almost

517
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Speaker 2: like they're predisposed into doing that, and I think that's

518
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Speaker 2: one of the signs of a great player.

519
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Speaker 1: Obviously, there are a lot of people that are kind

520
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Speaker 1: of anti distance at the moment, right, I mean, say,

521
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Speaker 1: the golf courses are becoming obsolete and we are seeing

522
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Speaker 1: more and more, you know, technology equipment. I mean, guys,

523
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Speaker 1: you know, these young kids are learning to hit it

524
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Speaker 1: as hard and fast as they can. So there is

525
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Speaker 1: a lot of I think there's a lot of noise

526
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Speaker 1: in certain segments of kind of the traditionalist. Hey, everybody

527
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Speaker 1: hits the golf ball too far. Now, the drivers go

528
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Speaker 1: too far, the balls go too far. But speed at

529
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Speaker 1: the level that Aldric has had, Yeah, it's a skill,

530
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Speaker 1: but it's also I think, Mike counter to everybody saying, hey, listen,

531
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Speaker 1: there's too much speed, the golf balls go too far,

532
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Speaker 1: the drives go too far. Distance, you know, we've got

533
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Speaker 1: to scale and we got to roll everything back. I

534
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Speaker 1: think learning how to play with a lot of speed

535
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Speaker 1: is a skill because listen, you're in the same boat

536
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Speaker 1: that I am. Every kid we teach now that plays

537
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Speaker 1: college golf is kind of rarely do you see a

538
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Speaker 1: kid that's a freshman or a sophomore in college or

539
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Speaker 1: a senior in college that doesn't have high one seventies,

540
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Speaker 1: low one eighties right ball speed. Everybody at a competitive

541
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Speaker 1: level knows that that's kind of where you need to be.

542
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Speaker 1: But I think one of the tasks and I'm going

543
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Speaker 1: through that right now with Noah Kent, is Noah Kent's

544
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Speaker 1: one of the longest hitters in the game, and he

545
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Speaker 1: got smoked by Bernhard Langer at the Masters. Right Bernhard

546
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: hit hybrid on Thursday into nine of the ten part

547
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Speaker 1: fours at Agusta National. Noah's out driving him by one

548
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Speaker 1: hundred and Noahs shooting the phone book and Bernhard Langer's

549
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Speaker 1: smoking him. I mean, he's just crushing him. So the

550
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Speaker 1: skill to play at high speeds, that is kind of

551
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Speaker 1: a skill that a lot of players need to learn,

552
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Speaker 1: how because having the driver and having distance is a

553
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: weapon is only a weapon and can help you if

554
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Speaker 1: you can keep the golf ball on the planet.

555
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Speaker 2: Well, I think you're right, and I think, you know,

556
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Speaker 2: currently we are probably approaching a time where we're probably

557
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Speaker 2: seeing a leveling out in the overall speed of players,

558
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Speaker 2: because to your point, you know, we've seen the beginnings

559
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Speaker 2: of a generation of you know, one eighty to one

560
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: ninety guys, many of whom are falling because they can't

561
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Speaker 2: control the golf ball. Now, we could potentially look at

562
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: ourselves and say, you know, should we be training these

563
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: players two different swings for golf right from the get go?

564
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Speaker 2: Should we be training a driver swing and should we

565
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Speaker 2: be training a distance control based iron swing. I mean,

566
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be at all surprised if that happened in

567
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Speaker 2: the future, but there's no happening.

568
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think for a lot of players that

569
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Speaker 1: you work with, you know, a ton of guys on tour,

570
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: I think we are seeing that right now. I think

571
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: we are seeing guys, you know, watching a clip on

572
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Speaker 1: Max for Stafford and they were talking about Max in

573
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Speaker 1: the early days as a Formula one driver. He was

574
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Speaker 1: very fast, he was very very aggressive, right, and he

575
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: made a lot of mistakes growing up, and he's now

576
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Speaker 1: you know, it's controlled aggression, it's controlled speed. And I

577
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: think we are seeing that at the top level. Now,

578
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: even the guys that are super super high speed are

579
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Speaker 1: all like, Okay, where's your fairway finder? Where's the drivers

580
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: swing to? Where you've got a one shot lead, and

581
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how far you hit, It doesn't matter

582
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Speaker 1: if you overpower the eighteenth hole with a one shot lead.

583
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Speaker 1: The only thing that matters is you got to get

584
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Speaker 1: the damn ball in the fairway so that you don't

585
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Speaker 1: put yourself behind the eight ball. Where do you think?

586
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Speaker 1: I mean, because I've talked to Gregan Dave's at TPI

587
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: about this, they're kind of they think anything kind of

588
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: over ninety two, ninety three, one ninety two or ninety

589
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: three ball speed becomes difficult to manage.

590
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, certainly difficult from an equipment perspective. You know,

591
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Speaker 2: there's there's two arguments there that I would have. Number

592
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 2: one would be and this would be from you know,

593
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Speaker 2: from from experience and from failures that I've had as

594
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: a player. If you start to overwork on one aspect

595
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: of your game, other aspects of your game are going

596
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: to be disrupted. You know, I'm really really proud of

597
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: the work that I've done with Brian Harman he's a

598
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: much much better iron player in twenty three to twenty

599
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Speaker 2: five than he ever was at any other part of

600
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Speaker 2: his career. But he said to me, I think some

601
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Speaker 2: of the stuff we've done with the irons has kind

602
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: of led into the driver, and my driver's dipped a

603
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: little bit. I'm not hitting as many drivers on the range.

604
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: I'm hitting more irons, I'm compressing the ball a little

605
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: bit more, I'm flighting, I'm fading the golf ball more

606
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Speaker 2: than I used to. So I think, you know, those

607
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: players who are coming out who have put such an

608
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Speaker 2: mp is into the great work that you know Sacho's

609
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: done and the track man guys have done on maintaining speed,

610
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: upping your speed, using the stack, using the track man,

611
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: using all this stuff, well, then at the bequest of

612
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: something else, something else has probably given up in that regard.

613
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, we possibly have this smaller

614
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: generation of players who really haven't had the time or

615
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: taken the time because they know how important speed is.

616
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Speaker 2: But then to your to your second point, I think

617
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: the very very best players who are sometimes also the

618
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Speaker 2: longer ones Jack's, the Arnies, the Roryes, they not only

619
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Speaker 2: have the capacity to generate a lot of speed, but

620
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: they've also got the capacity to control the golf club.

621
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Speaker 2: And I hope that that that I'm writing saying that

622
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Speaker 2: that Aldric's going to be in that camp of a

623
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Speaker 2: of a subset of players who are not only able

624
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: to control the golf club and control distance, but also

625
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: generate an awful lot of force to your point when

626
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: that's necessary. And you always remember an old Peter McAvoy

627
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: story playing with Jack the Open years and years ago,

628
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: and he had a I can't remember. They're playing troun

629
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Speaker 2: or somewhere, so you know, t shots into the wind,

630
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: and he's level with Jack, level with Jack, level with Jack.

631
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Speaker 2: Fourth holes A part five, and Jack's fifty yards outside

632
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Speaker 2: him because Jack was able when he needed to do it,

633
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Speaker 2: he would just generate that force. So I think we're

634
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: definitely at a little bit of a tipping point where

635
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: we're seeing some changes, and I think you're absolutely right.

636
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: I think we're going to get to a point where, Okay,

637
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Speaker 2: if you've if you're a college player and you're already

638
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: generating one the eighty, well let's see what you can

639
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: do with the seven iron from one seventy five and

640
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Speaker 2: from one seventy nine and can you hit it one

641
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Speaker 2: eighty four and start to see that as a bit

642
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: of an art, which you know, in golf's cool in

643
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: that way, you know, rather than it being an enforced

644
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: old thuddy duddy roll back. It'll be all we need

645
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: spin to control our distance. We want to be able

646
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Speaker 2: to hit different shots from the fairway, and maybe there'll

647
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: be a natural kind of rolling back as opposed to

648
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Speaker 2: some enforced, you know, dogmatic type of rollback.

649
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Speaker 1: As a coach, JPD, you managed the technical stuff that

650
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Speaker 1: you're trying to do with Alders because you know, like

651
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: you said, he's very much an outlier, right, so the

652
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: way that you're going to work with him is somewhat

653
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: going to be kind of hymn specific based off of

654
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: the toolbox that he has that he presents, because if

655
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Speaker 1: you look at his career, he had chances to win Porland.

656
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: You mentioned net Bank in twenty twenty four, fifty four

657
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: whole lead seventy five in the final round Mexico. This year,

658
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: fifty four whole lead seventy one in the final round,

659
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: lost in a playoff. I think he was leading, if

660
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, he was leading at Tory Pines earlier

661
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: this year, didn't get it done. On Sunday, fifty four

662
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 1: whole lead at Rocket our fifty two shot lead and

663
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: then sixty nine and gets into a play. So how

664
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Speaker 1: are you balancing the technical work that you're trying to

665
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: do with him from a very very unique and kind

666
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: of unicornish like game because there aren't a lot of

667
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: people in the world playing competitive golf that that can

668
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: do what he does, and the balance of the learning

669
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Speaker 1: aspect of the playing of the game.

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Speaker 2: To be honest with you, and I know this is

671
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: I don't want this to sound like a Farman family

672
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: sucker up session, but you know, I really, I really

673
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: lean into the learnings that I've had from from your

674
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: dad and his brothers and from you, And you know,

675
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: I'll really never forget whenever Brian was leading the Open

676
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: in the United State together, and uh, we're I can't

677
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: remember that little village anyway near Liverpool. And you know

678
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: what I.

679
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: Told you, the one I gave you grief that was

680
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: too far away from the golf course when you book.

681
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 2: Me, right, And I remember saying to you the night

682
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: you know he shot that unbelievable third round, I think anyway,

683
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: and he but he was leading the Open Championship and

684
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: I said to you, look, Brian's just text me. He said,

685
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: you know what am I going to do tomorrow between

686
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 2: six o'clock when I wake up and three o'clock when

687
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm when I'm going to tee off. And I'm thinking

688
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: I should tell him to go for a walk in

689
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: the And you said, tell him to embrace it. Tell

690
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: him every Open champion who's won this tournament has had

691
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: to go through this time, and tell him to embrace it.

692
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: Watch some stuff on television. Remind him that Louis Eustausen

693
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: has done this, and Darren Clark has done this, guys

694
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: that are brands of ours. Remind him that Jack Nicholas

695
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: has gone through this, that Tiger Woods had to had

696
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: to figure out what to do. Tell him it's an

697
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: integral part of winning this championship. And I think that

698
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: from my side. Then with Aldrick this Saturday, when we talked,

699
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: I just, you know, I thought of what you know

700
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: you might say and what your dad would say, and

701
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: it's like this lad's twenty years old, he's really raw,

702
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: he's really good at golf. He's not going to win

703
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: this golf tournament. In Detroit by course managing and being

704
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: a mercurial Bernhard Langer style player. So I just I said,

705
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: all you need to go out to more and be

706
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: really aggressive and try and win the golf tournament. And

707
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: he said, he said through six holes. Something interesting in

708
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: his interview. He said, you know, he went out there

709
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: kind of looking a little bit at a leaderboard, thinking

710
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: he would protect it a little bit, and when he

711
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: made a couple of mistakes, he just decided to get

712
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: aggressive and put the pedal down and he drove it

713
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: in such a way down those last eight or ten

714
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: holes that he was in a situation where he was

715
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: either going to win or get in a playoff. So,

716
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, I would love to have had the opportunity

717
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: to do that when I was a player, and I didn't.

718
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: And I've tried to learn from you, learn from your dad,

719
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 2: learn from Davis Love, speak to loui Ustaz and speak

720
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: to Darren Clark, speak to people who've really been in

721
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: those situations. And then you've got to then think to yourself, well,

722
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Speaker 2: what's it like to be Aldrich Pottgeiter. He's twenty years old.

723
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: He's from South Africa. He's in the United States. He's

724
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: in a big cauldron. He's already had a couple of

725
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: these opportunities. You know, what does he need to hear?

726
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: Like you and I always talk about it, it's learning

727
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 2: to be a chameleon and make sure that they're getting

728
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: what they need to get, not maybe what you think

729
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: would be your first thingstinct to tell them.

730
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Speaker 1: I think what you told him was genius. And you

731
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: know a great example of that. I don't know if

732
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: you saw, but Padrick Harrington won the US Open, and

733
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: he said in his interview, They're standing in the middle

734
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: of the eighteenth hole, and I think they had a

735
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: one shot lead, and I think his caddy wrote a

736
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: flood flood. He said to him, Hey, don't hit this

737
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: shot like you've got a one shot lead. Hit this

738
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: shot like your one shot back. Go into this with

739
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: the mindset of Okay, I'm not going to protect I've

740
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: got a one shot lead, or anything like that. It

741
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: would have been very easy for you to say to Aldrich,

742
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: listen man, try and be somebody you're not. Try and

743
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: be a tactician. Try, and you know, like you said,

744
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: try and dissect the golf course like a Luke Donald

745
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: or a Birdhard Lang or somebody like that that doesn't

746
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: have the skill set you had, whereas you just said, hey,

747
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: just go out and be you. And I think that

748
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: is something that everybody has kind of their own kind

749
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: of signature, their own kind of DNA. And I think

750
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: a lot of golfers across the board, from JP the

751
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: handicapped golfer to the competitive golfer, it's almost like everybody's

752
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: trying to be somebody else, right, They're trying to do

753
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: what they hear or see other people do. And you

754
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: know this because you've been around as many great players

755
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: as I have. The great ones are just themselves. The

756
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: great ones just do what they do and they ride

757
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: the hell out.

758
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: Of what they do.

759
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: And I think everybody listening thinks that all of these

760
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: guys that they watch on TV, you know, on tour,

761
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: have all the shots that have total command all of

762
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: the time, and a lot of them get to points

763
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: and stages in their game, but in their rounds and

764
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: in their years to where they just say, listen, I'm

765
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: just gonna do what I do here. And for you

766
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: to say that to Aldric, hey don't take the handbreak

767
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: golf b Max, for Staffing to go, hey, I'm starting

768
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: second on the grid, I am going to not try

769
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: and sit back and kind of see what happens in

770
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: the first quarter. I am going to go for the

771
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: lead and then take my chances one.

772
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: Percent and I, you know, further to that, and I

773
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: think for those I mean, this is something I remember

774
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 2: I'll never forget. In Dubai, we were our little short

775
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: game area at the back there and I was watching

776
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: Rory chips and shots and we're talking about golf and things,

777
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: and I said, did you ever like mimic someone else?

778
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: And he kind of looked at me as if I

779
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: had two heads, And I said, because you know, when

780
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: I was growing up, Nick Follow was the best player

781
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: in the world, and I tried to make my golf

782
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 2: swing look like his, and I wore those dopey looking

783
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: Pringle sweaters, and you know, I pretty much mimicked and

784
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: wanted to be like Nick Follow. And Rory went, no,

785
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: I never, no, I never mimicked anyone. He said, but

786
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: if I saw somebody hitting a shot, like a really

787
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: cool shot, I would say, I want to have that.

788
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: I want to be able to hit that shot. And

789
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: I thought it was like, to your point, it was

790
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: almost like that perfect little way of recognizing, like a

791
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: what a coach's mentality might be like and what a

792
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: real golfer's mentality might be like. And Rory went on

793
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: to say, you know, whenever I saw that Iron Clark

794
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 2: hit a real wind cheeter driver, like a real flat

795
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: low driver, he said, I don't I'm not going to

796
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: hit that shot like Darren, but I want my ball

797
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 2: to do that whenever I hit it. So he would

798
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,959
Speaker 2: figure out how he was going to do that under

799
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: his term. So the individuality to have the confidence in

800
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: yourself to keep being you and at the same time

801
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: having the adaptability and the desire to be able to

802
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: be a more complete player, I think that's something that

803
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: the best seemed to seem to exhibit well.

804
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: And also I think what I'm always trying to say

805
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: to players JP is be the best version of yourself.

806
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: Don't try and be the best version of what you

807
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: think Roy McElroy does or what you think Scotti Scheffler does,

808
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: because that's a track that I think a lot of

809
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: people that I see that art on tour that are

810
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: trying to play and don't kind of have that holy grail,

811
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: the holy grail for competitive golfers that are trying to

812
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: play professionally is to have full status on a tour somewhere,

813
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: whether that's Asia, whether that's DP, whether that's Lived, whether

814
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: that's Canada, corn Fairy wherever. Full status is the holy grail,

815
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: right And if if you can be the best version

816
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: of yourself, then I think you don't get caught into

817
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: that trap of trying to do things that you're not

818
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: good at doing.

819
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think further to that, you

820
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: know you you helped me with this, and I think

821
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: it's throwing arms and legs in my mind. And I'm

822
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: teaching the likes of Harris and Patent and guys like

823
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: I think every player has somewhat of a successful DNA

824
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 2: like of you know when when even when I played well,

825
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: I had some sort of DNA. This is when he

826
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: plays well. He tends to do this when when Harris

827
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: English plays well, he controls the ball off the tee,

828
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 2: he's got an offensive iron game, he's a good course manager,

829
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: and he's excellent putter. When Brian Harmon plays well, he's

830
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: extremely efficient off the tea. He's an improving eye, he's

831
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: got an unbelievable short game. He's a brilliant putter, so learning,

832
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: I think with those young players and even guys at

833
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: home with your own game, like knowing these are the

834
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: four or five tenants that I know that I can

835
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: do quite well, don't let them fluctu eight too much.

836
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Speaker 2: To your point, you don't have to be brilliant at everything,

837
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: but you've got to not be terrible at anything, and

838
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: you've got to be really good at a couple of things,

839
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: and then with those weapons you can start to score.

840
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the balance, right. The balance is

841
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: even for you know, someone that's you know, I look

842
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: at golf in non tour golf. I look at golf,

843
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: and what we do is we're trying to help people

844
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: break one hundred ninety eighty and break part for the

845
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: first time. That's basically the bulk of the work that

846
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: you and I do, and every golf instructor does. We

847
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: just don't sit on ranges all day, every day and

848
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: work three hundred and sixty five days a year with

849
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: tour players. You know, we have regular golfers that come

850
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: to us, and so I do think that's a really

851
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: good point in that even if you're trying to break

852
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: ninety for the first time, there will be relative to

853
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: your talent level as a player. There will be some

854
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: things that you're good at, you're not going to be

855
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: good at at them, like Scotty Scheffler or Rory McElroy

856
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: or John Robb not that level. But there will be

857
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: some things. There will be some clubs, there will be

858
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: some shots that you feel comfortable hitting, and then there

859
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: will be some that make you feel uncomfortable, and it's

860
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: finding what those things are about your game and then

861
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: basically just saying, hey, I'm just gonna ride what might

862
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: and I'm going to I think so many golfers, as

863
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: I said earlier JPI, they're trying to be somebody else.

864
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: They're trying to be somebody they're not, and as a result,

865
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, they're always taking the boat out and they're

866
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: getting themselves in the situations that they're not really good at.

867
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: In sale right, no, Wow, the wind's really up today

868
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: and the seas are really really hot. There are going

869
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: to be people that are like, dude, give me those

870
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: conditions all day. I'm good at that. But I think

871
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: a lot of golfers you know that are just trying

872
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: to break, you know, just barrier numbers for the first

873
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: time they're not really focusing on themselves, just trying to

874
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: do things that other people do, and they're trying to

875
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: do things that they're not good at doing.

876
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: I would say that that would reflect also the fact

877
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: that a lot of golfers aren't really doing things that

878
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: are simply designed to make them score better. They're doing

879
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: things that they think might be cooler or faster or bigger,

880
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: look better. For example, you remember I told David Hyle

881
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: for a couple of years in Dubai, and David's a

882
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: fantastic guy, Ryder Cup player, you know, beat Tiger in China,

883
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: the HSBC Great Career, one that PGA chompmanship are the

884
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 2: Wentworth Event. And one of the things David was brilliant

885
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: that was a brilliant and a brilliant long putter. And

886
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: quite a lot of the times with David was like

887
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: get me on the green or anywhere around the green

888
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: where I can put it, and I'm either going to

889
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: make a burdier apart. And David's biggest strength was his

890
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 2: lag putting, and his overall putting game was so strong

891
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 2: that he was able then to just design his course

892
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: management around that. And I remember saying to him one

893
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: of the times we sat down and you know, I

894
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: want I said to him, you, Dave, I think i'd

895
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: love to see you be a little more aggressive from

896
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: one seventy five to two hundred. And he said, JP,

897
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: I can give you ten years of evidence as to

898
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 2: why I'm not aggressive from one seventy five to two hundred,

899
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: because you know, I think he was a better iron

900
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 2: player than he gave himself credit for a very self

901
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: demeaning sort of guy. But you know he just said, look,

902
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: get me on the green, get me on the green,

903
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: and I'll play. So you take someone like that, And

904
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 2: if we interviewed fifteen tour players in David's kind of realm,

905
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: his his age, well, what would you know, David Hall,

906
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: As they would say, somebody who get the most out

907
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: of his game, someone who scored really well, didn't matter

908
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: how he hit it. He always tended to make the copy,

909
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: tended to get the most out of his game. And

910
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: I think to your point, you know, most guys, most

911
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: of us who don't play as much and don't think

912
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: about it, clearly we're not getting the most out of

913
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 2: the game. So the guy who's not breaking ninety could

914
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 2: be starting to think that way. Just thinking a little

915
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: bit better could probably get the most out of his game.

916
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: Lastly, JP, specifically with Aldric, with all that speed and

917
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: all that power, how do you manage the playing offense

918
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: when he needs to play offense? I think, I mean,

919
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: I just think that's there aren't a lot of people.

920
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: I think JPN. I think you've you know, it's a

921
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: testament to how much you've learned. You know, specifically in

922
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: the over you know, almost fifteen years of you and

923
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: I have known each other. I think what you told

924
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: him there would have been a lot of people and

925
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: coaches JP, where okay, fifty four holy two shot lead,

926
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: trying to win your first tournament, all that speed, all

927
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: that power, rocket mortgage. Is not a desert golf course.

928
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: There's trees, it's not wide open. You know, it's the

929
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: Midwest in summer, the roughest, thick. There are a lot

930
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: of people that would have said, hey, get the ball

931
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: and play off the tee. Don't necessarily try and overpower

932
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: the golf course. You know, maybe hit three woods, don't

933
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: hit driver, Maybe hit some irons off the tee. I

934
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: thought it was great, which so no, no, stay aggressive. But

935
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: for someone that has that type of speed, how do

936
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: you balance the Okay, play offense, but also that shit

937
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: doesn't work at Oakham, right, So there are going to

938
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: be situations for Aldric where he is going to have

939
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, maybe I need to play a little

940
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: bit more defense. So as the coach balancing who he

941
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: is is the player. I mean, that's I used to

942
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: say the same thing to DJ and Brooks all the

943
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: time standing on the putting green right before they went

944
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: out to win the five Majors. Brooks swung the two

945
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: majors DJ one, I told them the exact same thing

946
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: that you you said, old stay aggressive with the driver today,

947
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: don't try in three quarters, don't be reckless, don't be stupid. No,

948
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: but stay aggressive because that's your strength. But balancing that

949
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: to where situationally, okay, you have to learn how to

950
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: play offense here, but you need to learn how to

951
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: play defense here.

952
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: And I think that twenty years old when we look

953
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: at you know, Tiger went in golf tournaments when he

954
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 2: was twenty, and Rory went in golf tournaments when he's twenty,

955
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: And to your boys who maybe a little bit a

956
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: little bit more into their careers at that point, you know,

957
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: these twenty year olds, they haven't learned. Some of the

958
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: finer don't know. They don't know what they don't know,

959
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 2: so you can't expect them to know what they don't know.

960
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: And you know, then we've got to make a point

961
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: of when there's a coachable moment that you might call it.

962
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: Maybe it could be next week in Renaissance, where it's

963
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: you know, this whole plays four point one seven and

964
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: you know there's a lot of trouble up there a

965
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: driver and if the pins over here, it's probably going

966
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: to be you miss it down there and you're in

967
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: a really bad spot. Like then then you're you're creating

968
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: like a coachable moment where he's beginning to then assimilate.

969
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: All right, that situation is a bit smelly. I need

970
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: to be very careful with that. But at twenty years old,

971
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: with where he's out at the moment, he's going to

972
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: win and have more success. I believe taking fields apart

973
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: and going away from fields as opposed to you know,

974
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: let's hit eighteen greens and have thirty six pots type

975
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 2: of you know, the old Nick Foulow type of golf.

976
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: So I think just at this stage understanding that we

977
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: you know, we want to create those coachable moments and

978
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: help him recognize the course management and strategy is going

979
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 2: to be an even more important thing is he gets

980
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: to Oakmont and he you know, he gets more regularly

981
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: to Augusta and places like that. But I like what

982
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: you said, you don't know what you don't know, so

983
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: you can't expect him to know it.

984
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: How good can he be? Uh? With the toolbox he's got, Like,

985
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I just you know, you've been doing some

986
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: work with still Lampreck. I mean I watched James Hart

987
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: hit the golf balls. These guys are hitting the golf

988
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: balls distances that I mean tour players could only dream of, Right,

989
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: But we just don't seem on mass, massive, massive amounts

990
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: of speed and power and distance off the tee one

991
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: hund translate into winning golf tournaments. No, right, that that

992
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: is another skill. So twenty years old you've got I

993
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: mean I was looking at some of the names of

994
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: people that have won PJ Tour events at his age.

995
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean that list is pretty short, and I mean

996
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: this kid, I think has a massively long runway. So

997
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: where and how big do you think that runway is?

998
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: From what the history would suggest relative to his pedigree

999
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: and again learning from your fun you know, let's look

1000
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: at the pedigree of the player, amateur champion one at

1001
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: stage volley by however many shots against you know, all

1002
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: his counterparts of all over the world. You know, you

1003
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: really think his pedigree is very very fine. I think

1004
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: that certainly his ability to learn, combine that with the

1005
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: power and his his ability to generate very consistent power.

1006
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of the things that has really

1007
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: impressed me club when I watched him with the drivers,

1008
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: like one ninety three, one ninety three, one ninety two,

1009
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: one ninety three, like that is his cruising speed and

1010
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: combining that with you know, with learning distance control. I mean,

1011
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: I think the ceiling is very very high for the

1012
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: lad And I'm you know, and I'm enjoying him. I'm

1013
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 2: enjoying his family. They've been great support, his caddie rants

1014
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: has been great thus far. I'm working really hard to

1015
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: get him into some sort of physical regimen, which you know,

1016
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: he was in when he was in Australia. He's had

1017
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: less of a chance to be able to get that

1018
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: implemented since he was in America. So yeah, there are

1019
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: a lot of little fine parts of the professional enterprise

1020
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: he needs to get better at, but the world's the

1021
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: world's big for him.

1022
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: Back to the port for the Open Championship Port Rush,

1023
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: back to your homeland Northern Ireland. As someone that comes from,

1024
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean you've played that. How many times you played

1025
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: Port Rush?

1026
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: Oh?

1027
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1028
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 2: I meant too many to think about. I mean it's

1029
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: different now either seventeenth used to have this massive, great,

1030
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: big bunker on the right hand side and eighteen can

1031
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: back up with the club high. So the golf course

1032
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: of readings difference. I've only played the modern reading two

1033
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: or three times, but the majority of the golf course

1034
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you how many times I played it.

1035
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: What does it mean to go back to I mean

1036
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: very rarely for someone like you or are they going to

1037
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: hold a major championship not far from you know where

1038
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: you grew up, the rich, rich history of golf, not

1039
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: only in Ireland but Northern Ireland, and you know Darren

1040
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: having won, Rory having won, and then you know the

1041
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: Irish guys and chane.

1042
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: O and and Padre.

1043
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: It's got to be special to be going back to

1044
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: Port Rush. You effectually call it port magic as well.

1045
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: I mean when we went there for the last time

1046
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: when shanea won. There were a lot of play that

1047
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: said to me, can we just have this here every

1048
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: single year? Because I think the setup with everybody going

1049
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: down not only the golf course. The golf course is great,

1050
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 1: the views are great, but then at night everybody goes

1051
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: down into the ports and hangs out and stuff. I mean,

1052
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: it's it's a fantastic week.

1053
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: It's an amazing week. It's a fabulous place. I mean,

1054
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: I'm really lucky my brother and I lives there. For

1055
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: those the golfers who don't know, Port Rush is also

1056
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: tremendous surfing around there. He's not a golfer, he's a surfer,

1057
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,439
Speaker 2: so goes up there and surf side of Port Rush

1058
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: and portstairk Castle Rock up up to Bali Liffing. You

1059
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: know it is. It is very special. I walked down

1060
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: the hill to watch darantee off the last time and

1061
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: I just couldn't. But I mean, I walked down that

1062
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: hill at five point thirty and there were thousands of

1063
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: people on the first tee at at six twenty four

1064
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 2: whatever time Clark he was was leading off the tournament,

1065
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 2: and of course he hits it done the right semi

1066
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: knocks on the green holes of putt for a birdie

1067
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 2: as only Darren, as only Darren would. But no, it's

1068
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: it's going to be a very very special week. I've

1069
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 2: got so many friends and family. You and I got

1070
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: to a lot of very special people living in the area.

1071
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: I know you're staying with one of them, and we'll

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Speaker 2: you know, we'll enjoy it and hopefully the weather will

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Speaker 2: be okay we have it's unbelievable weather at home, or

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Speaker 2: so I'm told, but at a party it's breaking a

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Speaker 2: little bit. So fingers crossed for a great week.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll look forward to seeing you and we will

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Speaker 1: all be blowing up our boy Matt mccalpine's phone, because

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Speaker 1: he is the gatekeeper to all the bars and the

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Speaker 1: food in the port. So proud of you, mate, I mean,

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Speaker 1: just you know, I say this every time I talk

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Speaker 1: to you, but you know, to look at where your

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Speaker 1: career is gone, and the trusts that players are putting

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Speaker 1: in you, and and the results that you've had with

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Speaker 1: the stable of guys you've worked with. I think you're

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Speaker 1: one of the best in the world at what you do.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm proud to call you a friend

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Speaker 1: and I think you like a brother and I love you.

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Speaker 1: So we will see you in the port. And you said,

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Speaker 1: you said, I've got to drink Guinness this trip.

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Speaker 2: I'll get you a little half pint. You you could,

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Speaker 2: you could even make a half pint look good.

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Speaker 1: Great to talk to you and drats and all the success.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: So that was justin Parsons And like I said, you

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Speaker 1: know I'm biased, but I think JP's one of the

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Speaker 1: best golf instructors on the planet. I think the record

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Speaker 1: that he's got Brian Harmon as a major champion and

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Speaker 1: the work that he's doing puts him in a in

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Speaker 1: a very very small group of people. And listen, I

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Speaker 1: think I agree with him. The sky's the limit for Aldrich.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this kid moves it. He plays the game

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Speaker 1: the way the game is being played at the moment,

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Speaker 1: and I think they are going to be a very

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Speaker 1: very cool partnership to see. Can't thank everyone enough for listening, Rate, review,

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Speaker 1: subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Tell of which podcast

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Speaker 1: we will see you next week.