Speaker 1: Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Gradusky. Thank
Speaker 1: you all for being here yet again. I hope you
Speaker 1: like to Monday's episode on IRAN. I think it's a
Speaker 1: little different a story that now is in the news,
Speaker 1: but I was trying to cover it before it was.
Speaker 1: But I want to take things back to America. Look
Speaker 1: in our country. And I know this is a podcast
Speaker 1: that I'm a Republican and I primarily talk to Republicans.
Speaker 1: The audience is conservative, but I want to spend an
Speaker 1: episode talking about Democrats, and not even in a negative light,
Speaker 1: but really exploring where the Democratic Party is and where
Speaker 1: it's going. There's been a lot of news on the
Speaker 1: direction of the Democratic Party and who their future leader
Speaker 1: will be. And while Republicans have a clear front runner
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight being Vice President of Vance, and
Speaker 1: even a secondary front runner being Marco Rubio, Democrats are
Speaker 1: really lost in the wilderness. There's not a clear concise
Speaker 1: future for them. First, there's a lot of leaks coming out.
Speaker 1: This week started with a lot of leaks coming out
Speaker 1: about Joe Biden, the last Democratic leader, thetmomer president, in
Speaker 1: a new book called Original Sin, and it's about his
Speaker 1: cognitive decline and how the efforts on the part of
Speaker 1: the media and the White House to hide its severity.
Speaker 1: One of the leaks in the book I haven't read.
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to get an advanced copy soon, but one
Speaker 1: of the leaks that did come out was that the
Speaker 1: White House was afraid if he fell one more time,
Speaker 1: that he would end up in a wheelchair. I will say, personally,
Speaker 1: as somebody whose grandfather had Louis b dementia and I
Speaker 1: saw somebody severely declining every single day, there were moments
Speaker 1: in time looking at Joe Biden that it reminded me
Speaker 1: of my grandfather in some of the worst states of
Speaker 1: his decline. And the media and the White House cover
Speaker 1: it up, and the Republicans did market maybe to an
Speaker 1: unnecessary point, but they rightfully were the only ones pointing
Speaker 1: it out. So the book Original Sin, which comes out
Speaker 1: I think next week, one of the authors, Alex Thompson,
Speaker 1: told me he'll be on the podcast to talk about it,
Speaker 1: which it's very exciting. I really want to talk about
Speaker 1: the state that the media and the White House covered
Speaker 1: up Joe Biden's health, and I'm actually going to ask
Speaker 1: hell listeners if you have a question about this and
Speaker 1: you want me to ask a certain question at one
Speaker 1: of the authors to Alex if he does come on,
Speaker 1: I think he will least they will to ask him.
Speaker 1: Shoot me an email at Ryan at numbers Game podcast
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Speaker 1: I'll ask him when he comes on. I think that
Speaker 1: people need to know more because so much was hit him. Anyway,
Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats have talked have been trying to
Speaker 1: avoid the conversation on Joe Biden. Chuck Schumer was on
Speaker 1: MSNBC and flat and said, we're not looking back anymore.
Speaker 1: We're going to look into the future as if it's
Speaker 1: not relevant, as if the last four years have not
Speaker 1: been relevant. Even though Joe Biden is out there and
Speaker 1: he's still doing media. He was on the View last
Speaker 1: week talking about how he's going to prepare to take
Speaker 1: on Trump on the stump, rigorous, eighty three year old
Speaker 1: Joe Biden just you know, hitting the campaign trail yet again.
Speaker 1: And at the same time that you have the conversation
Speaker 1: Joe Biden out in the media again and it's not
Speaker 1: going away anytime soon, you have the negative comments and
Speaker 1: coverage coming out of a Pennsylvania senator John Fetterman, if
Speaker 1: you didn't read, his former chief of staff came forward
Speaker 1: in a piece in New York Magazine saying that his
Speaker 1: mental state was in basically freefall and that he was
Speaker 1: angry and lashing out staff Andator Senator Fetament deny these allegations,
Speaker 1: but since the piece came out, more staffers have resigned
Speaker 1: from his office, and it seemingly that the Democratic Party,
Speaker 1: some members of the Democratic Party and Democratic activists are
Speaker 1: cheering him leaving because he is a more moderate voice
Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party. Although he still has a pretty
Speaker 1: progressive voting record, he's more moderate voice, especially on the
Speaker 1: issue of Israel. And I think it's noteworthy if Vetterman
Speaker 1: resigns or leaves early or doesn't run for reelection in
Speaker 1: part because of being attacked so regularly. Now he did
Speaker 1: have a stroke, he probably does have some cognitive issues
Speaker 1: because of that. But when he was running and had
Speaker 1: cognitive issues, when he couldn't finish a sentence during his debate,
Speaker 1: he was brave. And now that he has been a
Speaker 1: stalwart for Israel, is you know should think about resigning
Speaker 1: or think about retiring early. I think that's very interesting,
Speaker 1: and especially coming out of a cycle where Joe Biden
Speaker 1: was healthy and rigorous and it was the best he's
Speaker 1: ever been if you listen to Joe Scarborough and now
Speaker 1: until he had to resign. So anyway, you look at
Speaker 1: those two cases, those two stories going in about it,
Speaker 1: and you look at the forward into the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: eight election, which is, I know it seems like so
Speaker 1: far away, but a candidate will be announcing that they
Speaker 1: are running for president the day after the midterm, if
Speaker 1: not beforehand, honestly, but probably right after the midterm. You'll
Speaker 1: have your first Democratic nominee. And I think that it's
Speaker 1: important to look at who is floating themselves out there.
Speaker 1: Arizona Senator Reuben Diego, he was out this in the
Speaker 1: stump recently. A lot of these Democrats right now, by
Speaker 1: the by, are doing small tours, big tours in some cases,
Speaker 1: but mostly small tours to important swing states and small
Speaker 1: and swing regions and especially important primary and caucus states.
Speaker 1: So you have Arizona Center Roup and Diego. He held
Speaker 1: events in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. You have former Transportation Transportation
Speaker 1: Secretary Pete Buddha Jeedge campaigning in Iowa with a beard
Speaker 1: good for him. Minnesota governor and former Kamala Harris running
Speaker 1: mate Tim Waltz was in Wisconsin. And then you have
Speaker 1: the media tour on podcasts coming from like Gavin Newsom
Speaker 1: in Chicago Mayor rama Manuel. He was the he worked
Speaker 1: for President Obama as the chief of staff, and then
Speaker 1: he was the mayor of Chicago, and then he was
Speaker 1: the ambassador I believed to Japan under Joe Biden. He
Speaker 1: is being ripped on the coals in a lot of
Speaker 1: these podcast interviews. He's doing such a horrible job, but
Speaker 1: he's floating idea for presidential run apparently. And then you've
Speaker 1: Senator a Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy. They're all making the tours,
Speaker 1: making the rounds, getting support early, and then there's the
Speaker 1: aoc of it all. She is done across country tour
Speaker 1: were called the Fight the Oligarchy Tour with Senator Bernie Sanders,
Speaker 1: and it very much looks like she is possibly gearing
Speaker 1: up for a presidential run. Chuck Schumer's up in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six for the US Senate seat, but I don't
Speaker 1: believe that she's gone a vuying for that. It'd be
Speaker 1: very tough to oust the minority leader, especially he's been
Speaker 1: there for so long and has so much institutional support
Speaker 1: among organizations in New York. New York as a lifelong
Speaker 1: New Yorker. In New York is not a progressive state
Speaker 1: as much as an establishment Democrat state, and certain organizations
Speaker 1: and institutions keep the party from veering too far to
Speaker 1: the left. It's not California, it's not Vermont. It's New York.
Speaker 1: It's different. So I don't look at it and say
Speaker 1: she's going to run for the Senate. I think she's
Speaker 1: looking for and eyeing a presidential run with what she's
Speaker 1: done so far, based upon what I've seen. But let's
Speaker 1: get to the numbers of all, because numbers do matter.
Speaker 1: This is the Numbers Game podcast. It's extremely early, but
Speaker 1: Democrat voters when asked a question of who would they
Speaker 1: support in twenty twenty eight, Kamala Harris is the lead
Speaker 1: because she was the former vice president. She is the
Speaker 1: highest name ID. People remember her, people know her. That's
Speaker 1: very very common. Sarah Palin was leading out of two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight electional loss. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: who run who lead. Paul Ryan was certainly very high
Speaker 1: for some part after twenty twelve, just because they know
Speaker 1: their name. That's why they slip their end and gal
Speaker 1: and support them in these early polls. But I don't
Speaker 1: think even Kamala Harris is going to run anyway. Second
Speaker 1: place is either Pete Bootage Judge or Alexandro Cosia Quartez.
Speaker 1: These are two very they're young, but they have two
Speaker 1: very different parts of the party that they seem to represent.
Speaker 1: Also very high in single digits in these polls is
Speaker 1: Corey Booker and Gavin Newsom. Corey Booker center from New Jersey,
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom Gaverner from California. When aggregated Democrats support Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris a twenty seven percent, that's a very high number
Speaker 1: for all these polls, but a very weak number overall.
Speaker 1: Once again, I don't think she's running. Pete Bootage was
Speaker 1: at sixteen percent, AOC was at thirteen percent, Corey Booker
Speaker 1: at nine, and Gavin Newsom at seven. That is a
Speaker 1: pretty open primary. And remember, once again, Kamala Harris, if
Speaker 1: you take her out of it, because her numbers are
Speaker 1: maasoning name id, you have this giant hole of who
Speaker 1: is the future, who is the leader of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: Partially that we're going to see these the future leader
Speaker 1: comes from money. Money tells us part of that story,
Speaker 1: because the people who donate to politics, people who sit
Speaker 1: there and give their twenty dollars a month to a
Speaker 1: candidate and a recurring donation online. By the way, if
Speaker 1: you ever want to give to a candidate, giving a
Speaker 1: recurring donation is the best way that they'll receive that money.
Speaker 1: Most of the money will actually go to the candidate
Speaker 1: and not to all the fundraisers and funding. If you
Speaker 1: do a ten dollars donation once every month for a year,
Speaker 1: over one hundred dollars donation just a little thing. The
Speaker 1: ten dollars donation actually goes further. But that's besides the point.
Speaker 1: But who is giving those recurring donations in democratic politics?
Speaker 1: Where is the grassroots? They're behind AOC. In the first
Speaker 1: quarter of this year, from January to March, AOC raised
Speaker 1: nine point six million dollars for her re election campaign
Speaker 1: in a seat that no Republican can win ever. I
Speaker 1: mean maybe in the future sometime, but not in today,
Speaker 1: not in twenty twenty five, not in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: probably not in twenty twenty eight. That seat cannot be
Speaker 1: won by a Republican. It's a seat that Kamahers won
Speaker 1: by twenty two points. So why are they giving it
Speaker 1: to her instead of let's say, a vulnerable Democrat running
Speaker 1: for the USN and in Michigan or running in a
Speaker 1: vulnerable House seat. Because small dollar donors believe in her
Speaker 1: message and they believe in her vision. They think that
Speaker 1: she represents the future of the Democratic Party, or at
Speaker 1: least their version of how they want it. Or maybe
Speaker 1: she just even represents somebody who's going to fight Trump
Speaker 1: and Ela Musk and jad Vans and the Republican Party
Speaker 1: as a whole. They think that she's their only effective
Speaker 1: person really doing it. And I want to compare. Nine
Speaker 1: million dollars is a lot of money, but I want
Speaker 1: to just show you how much money it actually is.
Speaker 1: Chris Murphy, the cenator from one of the wealthy estates
Speaker 1: in the country, Connecticut, not a poor state, very wealthy.
Speaker 1: He's very well known, he's very ambitious, he does a
Speaker 1: lot of media. He raised eight million. She represents one
Speaker 1: little district. Jasmine Crockett, who's done a ba Jillian media interviews,
Speaker 1: recently raised one point seven million, which is the same
Speaker 1: amount that Corey Booker raised in New Jersey after giving
Speaker 1: the large longest speech in Senate history, trying to sit
Speaker 1: there and raise money for himself. AOC is enormously popular
Speaker 1: in the party and possibly the future of it if
Speaker 1: Democratic voters across the country, because regions do matter, especially
Speaker 1: in a presidential primary. You have to win black voters
Speaker 1: in the South, and the Latino voters in the West,
Speaker 1: and then you know progressive voters in the Midwest and
Speaker 1: progressive voters in the Northeast, progressive white voters. It's very
Speaker 1: difficult to see that they'll all sit there and rally
Speaker 1: around her. But so far the grassroots have opinion. They
Speaker 1: have a pick, and AOC is right now their pick.
Speaker 1: So the party activists, those who put their wallets and
Speaker 1: spend their time and do the door knocking on behalf
Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party to elect somebody they like AOC.
Speaker 1: To quote Sally Field when she won her oscar in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, they like her, They really really like her.
Speaker 1: But I'm a Republican, so maybe I'm not the best
Speaker 1: person to ask when it comes to what Democrats want
Speaker 1: and who their party leader is. Up next is a
Speaker 1: Democratic polster who does so stay tuned with me for
Speaker 1: this Thursday episode. Is Democrat polster Carly Cooperman. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for being here.
Speaker 2: Carly, Thank you for having me so Carly.
Speaker 1: I want to ask a question because I think most
Speaker 1: Americans want to know who is the leader of the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, because for the first time, I think it's
Speaker 1: like nineteen ninety one, there's a void, which is nerve
Speaker 1: wracking for some people, but it really is very exciting
Speaker 1: because out of that nineteen ninety one void you got
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton. Do you see a star like that emerging
Speaker 1: or is there a leader that we just don't kind
Speaker 1: of forecast as a leader right now.
Speaker 2: I don't think we know yet who the leader is.
Speaker 3: I definitely think there's a void that came out of
Speaker 3: the elections. Democrats are really down on their party right now.
Speaker 3: They desperately want fresh leadership. They want people who are
Speaker 3: going to come out with new ideas. They want people
Speaker 3: who are going to take on Donald Trump. I don't
Speaker 3: think today it is clear in terms of that Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris is going to fill that void.
Speaker 2: I don't really see it going in that direction.
Speaker 3: You've got somebody like AOC who is outspoken, she is
Speaker 3: an effective speaker, but I don't see her taking hold
Speaker 3: of the of the party. Despite the fact that she's
Speaker 3: been out there, there's been a strong response to her
Speaker 3: and Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 2: She y had, she's raised a ton of money.
Speaker 3: Look, I mean there's a huge positive response into her
Speaker 3: and Sanders going on the road because no other Democrat
Speaker 3: was doing that.
Speaker 1: You're right, the oligarchy tour. Yeah, let's call I'm not joking.
Speaker 1: I think yeah. I think it's called the oligarchy Tour.
Speaker 2: I think yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, people, I do not think Sanders and
Speaker 3: AOC represent a majority of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: But people were so happy. Democrats were so happy.
Speaker 3: To see somebody speak up because you know, the party
Speaker 3: is down in the dumps. They are out in the wilderness.
Speaker 3: They are trying to figure out how to come back.
Speaker 3: Like obviously the first few months, you're going to see
Speaker 3: some people disagreeing on what that strategy should be. And
Speaker 3: I think the shell shock of you know, the force
Speaker 3: for which Trump came back, pulling the levers of government
Speaker 3: so much more effectively than the first time around, was
Speaker 3: just huge. But I don't I don't see her coming
Speaker 3: in and look, there's some people on the bench who
Speaker 3: are trying to, you know, assert themselves more. You've got
Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom trying to come on and you know, go
Speaker 3: on other podcasts and try to like.
Speaker 1: A podcast host.
Speaker 2: Now I know, like that's that's what happened with media
Speaker 2: this cycle.
Speaker 3: And you know, young people are consuming content on podcasts,
Speaker 3: They're not consuming content through traditional news sources, and they are.
Speaker 2: You know, young men especially.
Speaker 3: There's obviously been at nausee in this amount of discussion
Speaker 3: around it, but it's a real thing. Democrats used to
Speaker 3: be able to rely on young voters and that is
Speaker 3: not where things are right now.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, the David Shore data was really like it's
Speaker 1: very startling, even even on the Republican side. After winning,
Speaker 1: I said, wow, those are very stark numbers. What do
Speaker 1: Democrats want? What did Drank about Democratic voters want from
Speaker 1: their leader? And is there a difference among age, race, sex, geography?
Speaker 1: Is there stark difference? Is that really does matter as
Speaker 1: far as the future of the party, not just you
Speaker 1: know that the young people would decide, but people in
Speaker 1: key states decide a lot of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Two, is there a difference?
Speaker 2: Well above all? Right?
Speaker 3: Now, what Democrats want are leaders that are going to
Speaker 3: stand up to Donald Trump. There was a poll that
Speaker 3: came out with the End of the West we I said,
Speaker 3: seventy five percent of Democrats want somebody who's going to
Speaker 3: stand up to Trump, and that was stronger than anything
Speaker 3: else in terms of ideology. If forty six percent plurality
Speaker 3: of Democrats said that they want, you know, the party
Speaker 3: can stay the same, and then it was twenty percent
Speaker 3: said it should be more liberal, twenty one percent more moderate.
Speaker 2: And so basically you're.
Speaker 1: Saying they were very broken on the direction philosophically. They
Speaker 1: were just very strongly opposed to Trump, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are above all.
Speaker 3: It's not an ideological thing right now, above all, it's
Speaker 3: I mean, look, opposition to Trump is something that has
Speaker 3: historically unified Democrats above all, but there was you know,
Speaker 3: I think part of the problem is that there husband
Speaker 3: this leftward drift of the party over a lot of years,
Speaker 3: and at this point, you know, I think there's an
Speaker 3: awareness that that is, as you know, the party has
Speaker 3: gone too far and they want their leaders to connect.
Speaker 2: To work in class voters.
Speaker 3: This is a voting block that they used to have,
Speaker 3: and they want they want force that's going to stand
Speaker 3: up for Trump. I also think you know, the first
Speaker 3: time around with Trump, you saw people have an interest
Speaker 3: in you know, this idea of bipartisanship and you know,
Speaker 3: working together, and I think a decade later that's kind
Speaker 3: of out the window. That's not where people are at
Speaker 3: this point, and so they want there to be a stand.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the thing that I want wonder is that
Speaker 1: you have a lot of Democrats who kind of float
Speaker 1: ideas that are i would say, quote unquote moderate. Right,
Speaker 1: it's for like you'll see like a John Fetterman talk
Speaker 1: about like Israel, or you'll see I forget his name now,
Speaker 1: the congressman from Massachusetts who was like biological men don't
Speaker 1: belong in girls sports, or you'll see one once in
Speaker 1: a while they'll float something up. VINCENTE. Gonzalez voted for
Speaker 1: the law that named after the young woman murdered by
Speaker 1: Eliba Alien in Georgia, whose name also just slipped my mind.
Speaker 1: Really good to my research and my memory today, but
Speaker 1: it will come to me the minute this segment completely ends.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the law. But you see that,
Speaker 1: and then there's like a big pushback among like the twitterverse,
Speaker 1: who don't really represent the average voter, because most voters
Speaker 1: aren't on Twitter, but the fear of being mocked on
Speaker 1: Twitter drives a lot of discourse. Do you think that
Speaker 1: that is true and that someone will be like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we'll stick to our progressive values on healthcare or gun control,
Speaker 1: but we're going to moderate on the border, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean something like that, where they're going to
Speaker 1: look for things because there are issues that Democrats are
Speaker 1: much more popular with the average American on, and then
Speaker 1: there's some issues that Republicans are much more popular than
Speaker 1: the average American on. And I think what Trump was
Speaker 1: able to do is really abandon a lot of conservative
Speaker 1: issues like abortion that was not popular with the average
Speaker 1: American and say, no, we're not going to do a
Speaker 1: nationwide bam, We're not going to do anything like that.
Speaker 1: On healthcare, really don't really know what Trump's position was,
Speaker 1: but it was like, we're going to take care of everybody,
Speaker 1: and yeah, exactly. But do you see a Democrat willing
Speaker 1: to sit there and the same way that Trump was
Speaker 1: willing to tell pro lifers, hey, guess what, we got
Speaker 1: everything you're going to get from us, and then that's
Speaker 1: that and the rest of it you deal with on
Speaker 1: your state level issues, do you think that a Democrat
Speaker 1: would do on let's say the border for example, Well.
Speaker 3: I absolutely think that the party if you look at
Speaker 3: like the average kind of center where the party is
Speaker 3: on something like immigration at the border, it is one
Speaker 3: hundred percent moved to the right from where it used
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have Democrats coming out and just just
Speaker 2: speaking acknowledging you know, immigration has gotten out of control.
Speaker 2: You know, what's coming into the border is too much.
Speaker 3: We support getting illegal immigrants, especially who are convicted felons,
Speaker 3: to leave. I like, so I think that there has
Speaker 3: been shift in a response to where you know, the
Speaker 3: American the electorate really is on that kind of issue.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump has done a very effective job, you know,
Speaker 3: really hitting home that issue. And when he was running
Speaker 3: list hear that in the economy, the cost of living,
Speaker 3: you know, he connected to voters on those issues, and
Speaker 3: the Democrats were far too late scrambling to acknowledge that.
Speaker 3: And so I do think you're seeing to some extent
Speaker 3: a response and a willingness to.
Speaker 2: Come there.
Speaker 3: But I also think part of the problem with the
Speaker 3: Democrats last cycle is that they were really afraid to
Speaker 3: go out there on Twitter for instance, and or on
Speaker 3: podcasts and let them be you know, exposed to those
Speaker 3: sorts of attacks, you know, something like abortion rights. Democrats
Speaker 3: squarely were in the majority in terms of their attitudes
Speaker 3: to that issue. Most Americans. Polling shows time at time
Speaker 3: again nationally in swing states that people believe there is
Speaker 3: a legal right to abortion. And so we saw that
Speaker 3: that helped the Democrats in twenty twenty two. There were
Speaker 3: a lot of bowet inities that were being put on
Speaker 3: balves that people thought were going to help, you know,
Speaker 3: in terms of the actual presidential election, and so great,
Speaker 3: you know, they can talk about that, but at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, it was very clear that in
Speaker 3: a cycle where people felt like the cost of living
Speaker 3: was too high in their day to day was too hard,
Speaker 3: that just wasn't important. And so I do think they
Speaker 3: absolutely need to and there will there has to be
Speaker 3: if they're going to be successful in the midterms, some
Speaker 3: kind of reconciliation.
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about geography because I think
Speaker 1: it's a story and a narrative as someone who worked
Speaker 1: on politics basically my whole life. The only other job
Speaker 1: I ever had was Victoria's Secret So this is like
Speaker 1: my whole kid in kaboodle. I mean, I have geography
Speaker 1: is a very important narrative that people don't cover because
Speaker 1: have the Democratic have the Democratic primary not had such
Speaker 1: a strong emphasis in the Deep South, on the Southeast
Speaker 1: so early, it wouldn't Joe Biden would have never been
Speaker 1: nomine He would have been saved. He was saved by
Speaker 1: black voters in this southeast. Bill Clinton was saved by
Speaker 1: black voters in Southeast. Barack Obama was helped by progressive
Speaker 1: white voters in Iowa who gave him a chance and
Speaker 1: legitimize his candidacy. Geography really matters where the party. I think. Listen,
Speaker 1: if in twenty sixteen had the Republican primary been Iowa
Speaker 1: than Texas, Ted Cruz likely would have been a nominee
Speaker 1: and not Donald Trump. Geography does matter. The primary start
Speaker 1: of this year in South Carolina. They said we're going
Speaker 1: to start them in South Carolina stead of Iowa and
Speaker 1: New Hampshire. That will be very, I think important when
Speaker 1: it comes to progressives trying to get a foothole because
Speaker 1: South Carolina Democrats are not the more progressive members of
Speaker 1: the bunch. That's more of establishment state in democratic politics.
Speaker 1: Do you think that if they continue that it's a
Speaker 1: way for the party really to avoid a case where
Speaker 1: maybe the more left winger would come in. And do
Speaker 1: you think that that's act my take on it is
Speaker 1: accurate kind of prognostication of the party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a really fair point you're making.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 3: The Democratic Party is not going to change it in
Speaker 3: a way where you have some of the states that
Speaker 3: are really far left or have a stronger far left
Speaker 3: presence go first.
Speaker 2: It's just happen now.
Speaker 3: No matter what you're going to see in four years,
Speaker 3: I think you're going to see a wide range of
Speaker 3: candidates come forward, and you're going to have some on
Speaker 3: the far left. I think the ones who've been most
Speaker 3: successful in a voice or at least in the conversations
Speaker 3: about potential in the future. Pete Bouja, Gretchen Whitmer, you know,
Speaker 3: knew some like we talked about JB. Pritzcare like those
Speaker 3: kind of people, the ones AOC aside tend to, you know,
Speaker 3: be ones that are attempting to be more modern.
Speaker 2: But also it's about that where we are right now
Speaker 2: is a country I barring.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of crazy that I'm sure
Speaker 3: is still yet to come from Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I cannot see us being in a place where the
Speaker 2: shift could go that far back to the left.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, kind of responding to the moment
Speaker 3: of where we are in politics right now, I think
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party has to continue thinking about those sorts
Speaker 3: of states and it really does matter, but there's more
Speaker 3: to it that matters to in terms of just being
Speaker 3: able to build that coalition and the momentum. And I
Speaker 3: don't see that being a far left candidate right now.
Speaker 1: Really, what about Josh Shapiro, because that's the name you
Speaker 1: haven't said so far, and it is two Republicans. Republicans
Speaker 1: feel like Jos Shapiro. He does have an Obama accent.
Speaker 1: I'll just sit there and say that he does kind
Speaker 1: of speak like I've never met a Jew who has
Speaker 1: a blackbeet preacher accent besides Jos Shapiro. But that aside,
Speaker 1: he's extremely popular in a very critical state and a
Speaker 1: lot of Republicans saw that he was stepped aside, and
Speaker 1: that there is kind of this big question mark of
Speaker 1: does he have obviously is a place in the Democratic Party,
Speaker 1: but does he have a future where he would be
Speaker 1: the leader Wes Moore. He said he's not going to
Speaker 1: run and let's see if he sticks to that. But
Speaker 1: Wes Moore is also a very very viable Canada government
Speaker 1: crea and super amazing resume, really young, black, you know everything.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Josh Shapiro because he is frankly,
Speaker 1: because he's Jewish, faces a big problem within a certain
Speaker 1: fraction of the party.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a concern I have. I did not
Speaker 2: intentionally leave off jos Shapiro.
Speaker 1: No, I know, I'm not blaming you. I'm just it
Speaker 1: just came my mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think he's one hundred percent one of
Speaker 3: the rising stars future of the party.
Speaker 2: He you know, people respond really well to him. He is.
Speaker 3: His favorability readings last year round the election, I mean
Speaker 3: it was higher than almost any governor I would argue
Speaker 3: in any state, upwards of sixty percent. Very well liked,
Speaker 3: perceived as more moderate, and I know a lot of
Speaker 3: people that were disappointed that he was not the Democratic nominee.
Speaker 1: I was shocked. Yeah, I was genuinely.
Speaker 2: Shout in terms of like how that went down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they heard the meeting went badly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: I do have concern about a Jewish person too, though,
Speaker 3: it's tough. I mean, same with Pee poota judge and
Speaker 3: having a gay person get elected. And by the way,
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, there are a lot of things that went
Speaker 3: wrong with that campaign, but she was a woman, and
Speaker 3: you know, it's not left to be unsaid that our
Speaker 3: country is not yet elected a female president either. So
Speaker 3: it's a big country and there are a lot of
Speaker 3: you know, specific demographic car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't I don't think that in the same
Speaker 1: way that I don't think and this is just my
Speaker 1: personal take. I don't think the Democratic Party is going
Speaker 1: to nominate Pee poota judge, in part because I don't
Speaker 1: think he can win over black voters in the South
Speaker 1: in the primary. I don't think that the Republican Party
Speaker 1: is going to nominate a gay person either, even if
Speaker 1: there was one. There's not one on the horizon, but
Speaker 1: if there was one, I don't think that that would
Speaker 1: be a possibility. Despite you know, they like certain figures
Speaker 1: are our gay I don't think they would do that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that the Republican parties don made a
Speaker 1: woman in the near future either. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that and my person because I don't think the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party will too after being burned by Hillary and Kamla.
Speaker 1: Do you get that from from Democratic voters?
Speaker 3: I completely agree. I mean, I don't know that it's
Speaker 3: being said as frankly and as honestly.
Speaker 1: As I'm just saying it like it is. I mean
Speaker 1: whatever I mean, people could disagree with me, but I
Speaker 1: think that that's what I see it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I do. Look, I also think I mean the
Speaker 2: movement that we're seeing in America around like a resurgence
Speaker 2: in religion right like even the response to you know,
Speaker 2: having a pope from America.
Speaker 3: I feel like there is this cultural moment right now
Speaker 3: in the country that is going back to you know
Speaker 3: what tends to be associated with right word policies. But
Speaker 3: it makes some of these demographic groups harder to see
Speaker 3: as somebody who's going to get elected nationally.
Speaker 2: And that's the reality of things right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, last shoe questions. One, What are like two or
Speaker 1: three things that you could think of that you think
Speaker 1: Republicans don't understand about Democrats but they should.
Speaker 2: Republicans don't.
Speaker 3: Well, I would say, uh, for a lot of Democrats,
Speaker 3: you know, issues like climate change, you know, LGBTQ issues,
Speaker 3: things like that that you know there's a values component
Speaker 3: to it, and I think that it matters to Democrats,
Speaker 3: but I think too many many Democrats it is not
Speaker 3: the top of mind or like issues that are driving them.
Speaker 2: And I think that at this point.
Speaker 3: Partially you know, as you know, giving credit to effective
Speaker 3: communications on the Republican side, and you know, I think
Speaker 3: Democrats have been painted out to be this very far
Speaker 3: left leaning, really out of touch, like wacky liberal kind
Speaker 3: of thing, and I don't really think that speaks the
Speaker 3: truth to a lot of Democrats. And it's a messaging
Speaker 3: problem too. But I feel like there is a misperception
Speaker 3: at this point of where a lot of Democrats are.
Speaker 1: What are now? I mean, is the economy still the
Speaker 1: number one issue for Democrats going to rights as of
Speaker 1: right now? I guess stopping Trump will be number one,
Speaker 1: and I guess the economy probably number two. What is
Speaker 1: a ray if you looked at all the polling and
Speaker 1: I've looked at a lot of polling obviously going into
Speaker 1: the midterms and into these special elections, what are give
Speaker 1: me one or two things that Democrats have twoth look
Speaker 1: of that's positive in this moment.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that there's a belief that Trump is
Speaker 2: going too far.
Speaker 3: I mean tariffs like tariffs one, two, and three, right
Speaker 3: like he Trump got elected because he convinced people that
Speaker 3: he understood how expensive life was for them. You know,
Speaker 3: he said that everything was going to get more affordable.
Speaker 3: And I mean it's been a roller coaster over the
Speaker 3: last two months with what's happening right now.
Speaker 2: But now he's having a message that we should.
Speaker 3: All endure a short term, short term pain for this
Speaker 3: long term, you know, complete reshuffling of how the.
Speaker 2: Global economy is going to work.
Speaker 3: And yet now he's backing away from that, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of inconsistency. I don't see how this doesn't
Speaker 3: make life more expensive for people in the short term.
Speaker 3: And I think that it gives Democrats an opportunity to
Speaker 3: come back to their own economic message and connect with
Speaker 3: working class voters.
Speaker 1: So that's a good positive for Democrats if they can,
Speaker 1: if they can hit on the moment, because I always
Speaker 1: say different politics is like an open window. It's only
Speaker 1: open for a little while and then it's shut And
Speaker 1: asked Chris Christy, once it's shut, its sometimes it never reopens. Carly,
Speaker 1: where can people go to read more about you? You're
Speaker 1: pulling your information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm on Exit Cartley Cooperman and you know I write
Speaker 3: up eds and the like off and on the Hill.
Speaker 2: Oh and I go on Fox News.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, well, Carly, thank you for being on this podcast.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: at numbers Plural gamepodcast dot com. Okay. To Jared's question,
Speaker 1: he asked, when will labor unions wake up and oppose
Speaker 1: mass migration as a wage suppression scheme. That is a
Speaker 1: great question, Jared. So, Donald Trump's candidcy back in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four last year was probably the most not most likely,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was the most pro union nomination
Speaker 1: or Republicans had in decades. I mean, you have to
Speaker 1: probably go back to Nixon or even further. And it
Speaker 1: received actually very little union support as far as the
Speaker 1: organization goes, not union voters, voters who are members of
Speaker 1: a union, but the organizations. Trump received a lot of
Speaker 1: support from police unions, some the Border Patrol union, and
Speaker 1: he got I think one steam fitters union and one
Speaker 1: steel workers union, but they were local unions and that
Speaker 1: was it. Famously, the TA Seamsters did not endorse, which
Speaker 1: is a big deal, but it wasn't like they jumped
Speaker 1: to the Republican side, despite Trump doing everything he can
Speaker 1: to really ask them for it. But part of the
Speaker 1: problem with the unions is that they are partisan, like
Speaker 1: they are activists within the Democratic Party. The AFLCIO is
Speaker 1: a wing of the Democratic Party. I don't think that
Speaker 1: they care so much about the best interests of their
Speaker 1: voters as much as they care about the best interests
Speaker 1: of the party as a whole. They're just an arm
Speaker 1: of it. There used to be a time in our
Speaker 1: country where Democrats and unions, but a lot of times
Speaker 1: union and union activists really opposed illegal immigration and mass immigration.
Speaker 1: Ceesar Harbez, the great union activists of the twentieth century.
Speaker 1: We used to call illegal aliens wetbacks on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: He was a very big opponent against illegal immigration. He
Speaker 1: was Hispanic, He was a Democrat, He was a progressive Democrat.
Speaker 1: He was a labor activist, but he realized that you
Speaker 1: could not be pro labor and pro illegal immigration and
Speaker 1: mass immigration. That was a very big part of the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party and the unions as a whole. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's going to change unless the union leadership has changed,
Speaker 1: because I think where rank and file voters are within
Speaker 1: the union is not the same place that union leadership is.
Speaker 1: It's a lot like the Catholic Church in any ways.
Speaker 1: The Catholic Church, the cardinals are much more progressive than
Speaker 1: the younger priests are. And I think the union leadership
Speaker 1: is much more progressive and aligned with Democratic politicians than
Speaker 1: the actual rank and file members are. And I think
Speaker 1: that that's not going to change until the non establishment
Speaker 1: figures within these unions start winning their union presidencies and
Speaker 1: their elections, which they are very expensive, costly elections where
Speaker 1: union members vote. That's I mean, that's basically until they change.
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's going to change. The Teamsters
Speaker 1: union is the only one I could see the major
Speaker 1: union maybe changing now that they are at least willing
Speaker 1: to say, hey, our votes possibly up in the future.
Speaker 1: They did just doors Josh Holly for re election in Missouri.
Speaker 1: I think that maybe they'll be the first ones if
Speaker 1: we see one, but I wouldn't hold my breath on
Speaker 1: seeing one. Hopefully one day. I think it's important. I
Speaker 1: think that they will benefit from that. They'd be a
Speaker 1: big boom for union and for a lower wage for
Speaker 1: workers to sit there and increase their wages if we
Speaker 1: crack down on mass migration. But they have to be
Speaker 1: there and their leaders supposed to be there. So thank
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