WEBVTT - It's a Numbers Game: The Numbers Behind Democrat Party Polling with Carly Cooperman 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.440 Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Gradusky. Thank 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:06.320 you all for being here yet again. I hope you 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:08.479 like to Monday's episode on IRAN. I think it's a 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.160 little different a story that now is in the news, 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:13.600 but I was trying to cover it before it was. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.320 But I want to take things back to America. Look 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.720 in our country. And I know this is a podcast 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.280 that I'm a Republican and I primarily talk to Republicans. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.319 The audience is conservative, but I want to spend an 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:28.440 episode talking about Democrats, and not even in a negative light, 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.120 but really exploring where the Democratic Party is and where 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:34.560 it's going. There's been a lot of news on the 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:38.200 direction of the Democratic Party and who their future leader 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.199 will be. And while Republicans have a clear front runner 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.640 in twenty twenty eight being Vice President of Vance, and 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:47.479 even a secondary front runner being Marco Rubio, Democrats are 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.440 really lost in the wilderness. There's not a clear concise 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:54.360 future for them. First, there's a lot of leaks coming out. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.560 This week started with a lot of leaks coming out 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.560 about Joe Biden, the last Democratic leader, thetmomer president, in 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.040 a new book called Original Sin, and it's about his 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.240 cognitive decline and how the efforts on the part of 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.440 the media and the White House to hide its severity. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:12.920 One of the leaks in the book I haven't read. 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.640 I'm supposed to get an advanced copy soon, but one 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.920 of the leaks that did come out was that the 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.560 White House was afraid if he fell one more time, 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:24.320 that he would end up in a wheelchair. I will say, personally, 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:31.600 as somebody whose grandfather had Louis b dementia and I 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:36.399 saw somebody severely declining every single day, there were moments 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.360 in time looking at Joe Biden that it reminded me 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.520 of my grandfather in some of the worst states of 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.400 his decline. And the media and the White House cover 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.160 it up, and the Republicans did market maybe to an 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:53.040 unnecessary point, but they rightfully were the only ones pointing 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.800 it out. So the book Original Sin, which comes out 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:57.840 I think next week, one of the authors, Alex Thompson, 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.640 told me he'll be on the podcast to talk about it, 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.440 which it's very exciting. I really want to talk about 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.120 the state that the media and the White House covered 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.600 up Joe Biden's health, and I'm actually going to ask 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.560 hell listeners if you have a question about this and 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.880 you want me to ask a certain question at one 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.160 of the authors to Alex if he does come on, 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.639 I think he will least they will to ask him. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.200 Shoot me an email at Ryan at numbers Game podcast 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.480 dot com. Ryan at Numbers Game Podcast. I comm and 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:23.880 I'll ask him when he comes on. I think that 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.680 people need to know more because so much was hit him. Anyway, 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.240 a lot of Democrats have talked have been trying to 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.959 avoid the conversation on Joe Biden. Chuck Schumer was on 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.639 MSNBC and flat and said, we're not looking back anymore. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.800 We're going to look into the future as if it's 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.160 not relevant, as if the last four years have not 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.160 been relevant. Even though Joe Biden is out there and 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.000 he's still doing media. He was on the View last 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.160 week talking about how he's going to prepare to take 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.880 on Trump on the stump, rigorous, eighty three year old 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.560 Joe Biden just you know, hitting the campaign trail yet again. 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.400 And at the same time that you have the conversation 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.520 Joe Biden out in the media again and it's not 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.880 going away anytime soon, you have the negative comments and 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.960 coverage coming out of a Pennsylvania senator John Fetterman, if 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.440 you didn't read, his former chief of staff came forward 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.520 in a piece in New York Magazine saying that his 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.400 mental state was in basically freefall and that he was 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:20.239 angry and lashing out staff Andator Senator Fetament deny these allegations, 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.920 but since the piece came out, more staffers have resigned 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.640 from his office, and it seemingly that the Democratic Party, 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.080 some members of the Democratic Party and Democratic activists are 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.920 cheering him leaving because he is a more moderate voice 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:35.880 in the Democratic Party. Although he still has a pretty 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.800 progressive voting record, he's more moderate voice, especially on the 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:43.360 issue of Israel. And I think it's noteworthy if Vetterman 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.720 resigns or leaves early or doesn't run for reelection in 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.760 part because of being attacked so regularly. Now he did 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.360 have a stroke, he probably does have some cognitive issues 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.960 because of that. But when he was running and had 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.960 cognitive issues, when he couldn't finish a sentence during his debate, 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.720 he was brave. And now that he has been a 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:09.240 stalwart for Israel, is you know should think about resigning 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.520 or think about retiring early. I think that's very interesting, 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.720 and especially coming out of a cycle where Joe Biden 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.160 was healthy and rigorous and it was the best he's 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.920 ever been if you listen to Joe Scarborough and now 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.360 until he had to resign. So anyway, you look at 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.960 those two cases, those two stories going in about it, 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.520 and you look at the forward into the twenty twenty 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.479 eight election, which is, I know it seems like so 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.880 far away, but a candidate will be announcing that they 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.159 are running for president the day after the midterm, if 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.159 not beforehand, honestly, but probably right after the midterm. You'll 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:48.040 have your first Democratic nominee. And I think that it's 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.599 important to look at who is floating themselves out there. 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.640 Arizona Senator Reuben Diego, he was out this in the 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.680 stump recently. A lot of these Democrats right now, by 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.080 the by, are doing small tours, big tours in some cases, 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.960 but mostly small tours to important swing states and small 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.440 and swing regions and especially important primary and caucus states. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.080 So you have Arizona Center Roup and Diego. He held 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.320 events in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. You have former Transportation Transportation 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.560 Secretary Pete Buddha Jeedge campaigning in Iowa with a beard 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.679 good for him. Minnesota governor and former Kamala Harris running 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.960 mate Tim Waltz was in Wisconsin. And then you have 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.839 the media tour on podcasts coming from like Gavin Newsom 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.839 in Chicago Mayor rama Manuel. He was the he worked 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.400 for President Obama as the chief of staff, and then 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:35.800 he was the mayor of Chicago, and then he was 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.440 the ambassador I believed to Japan under Joe Biden. He 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.240 is being ripped on the coals in a lot of 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.600 these podcast interviews. He's doing such a horrible job, but 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.720 he's floating idea for presidential run apparently. And then you've 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:51.640 Senator a Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy. They're all making the tours, 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:55.400 making the rounds, getting support early, and then there's the 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:59.000 aoc of it all. She is done across country tour 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.440 were called the Fight the Oligarchy Tour with Senator Bernie Sanders, 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:06.159 and it very much looks like she is possibly gearing 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:10.159 up for a presidential run. Chuck Schumer's up in twenty 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.520 twenty six for the US Senate seat, but I don't 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.520 believe that she's gone a vuying for that. It'd be 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.800 very tough to oust the minority leader, especially he's been 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.039 there for so long and has so much institutional support 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.640 among organizations in New York. New York as a lifelong 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.040 New Yorker. In New York is not a progressive state 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:30.120 as much as an establishment Democrat state, and certain organizations 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.200 and institutions keep the party from veering too far to 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.279 the left. It's not California, it's not Vermont. It's New York. 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.120 It's different. So I don't look at it and say 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:40.600 she's going to run for the Senate. I think she's 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.680 looking for and eyeing a presidential run with what she's 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.400 done so far, based upon what I've seen. But let's 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.320 get to the numbers of all, because numbers do matter. 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.640 This is the Numbers Game podcast. It's extremely early, but 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.640 Democrat voters when asked a question of who would they 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.039 support in twenty twenty eight, Kamala Harris is the lead 0:06:58.080 --> 0:06:59.880 because she was the former vice president. She is the 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.320 highest name ID. People remember her, people know her. That's 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.840 very very common. Sarah Palin was leading out of two 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.000 thousand and eight electional loss. There's a lot of people 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.240 who run who lead. Paul Ryan was certainly very high 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.720 for some part after twenty twelve, just because they know 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.320 their name. That's why they slip their end and gal 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.120 and support them in these early polls. But I don't 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.680 think even Kamala Harris is going to run anyway. Second 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.880 place is either Pete Bootage Judge or Alexandro Cosia Quartez. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.680 These are two very they're young, but they have two 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:35.120 very different parts of the party that they seem to represent. 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.320 Also very high in single digits in these polls is 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.600 Corey Booker and Gavin Newsom. Corey Booker center from New Jersey, 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:46.200 Gavin Newsom Gaverner from California. When aggregated Democrats support Kamala 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.920 Harris a twenty seven percent, that's a very high number 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.440 for all these polls, but a very weak number overall. 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.040 Once again, I don't think she's running. Pete Bootage was 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.040 at sixteen percent, AOC was at thirteen percent, Corey Booker 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.720 at nine, and Gavin Newsom at seven. That is a 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:05.760 pretty open primary. And remember, once again, Kamala Harris, if 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.480 you take her out of it, because her numbers are 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.280 maasoning name id, you have this giant hole of who 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.760 is the future, who is the leader of the Democratic Party. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.760 Partially that we're going to see these the future leader 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.120 comes from money. Money tells us part of that story, 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.520 because the people who donate to politics, people who sit 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.880 there and give their twenty dollars a month to a 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.880 candidate and a recurring donation online. By the way, if 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:32.760 you ever want to give to a candidate, giving a 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.960 recurring donation is the best way that they'll receive that money. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:37.640 Most of the money will actually go to the candidate 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.199 and not to all the fundraisers and funding. If you 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.400 do a ten dollars donation once every month for a year, 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.080 over one hundred dollars donation just a little thing. The 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.720 ten dollars donation actually goes further. But that's besides the point. 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.800 But who is giving those recurring donations in democratic politics? 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.800 Where is the grassroots? They're behind AOC. In the first 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.840 quarter of this year, from January to March, AOC raised 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.320 nine point six million dollars for her re election campaign 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.160 in a seat that no Republican can win ever. I 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.720 mean maybe in the future sometime, but not in today, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.160 not in twenty twenty five, not in twenty twenty six, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.920 probably not in twenty twenty eight. That seat cannot be 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.360 won by a Republican. It's a seat that Kamahers won 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.560 by twenty two points. So why are they giving it 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.319 to her instead of let's say, a vulnerable Democrat running 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.319 for the USN and in Michigan or running in a 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.760 vulnerable House seat. Because small dollar donors believe in her 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.000 message and they believe in her vision. They think that 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.560 she represents the future of the Democratic Party, or at 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.360 least their version of how they want it. Or maybe 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.440 she just even represents somebody who's going to fight Trump 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.840 and Ela Musk and jad Vans and the Republican Party 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.559 as a whole. They think that she's their only effective 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.640 person really doing it. And I want to compare. Nine 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.679 million dollars is a lot of money, but I want 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.520 to just show you how much money it actually is. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.400 Chris Murphy, the cenator from one of the wealthy estates 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.800 in the country, Connecticut, not a poor state, very wealthy. 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.120 He's very well known, he's very ambitious, he does a 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.920 lot of media. He raised eight million. She represents one 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:11.480 little district. Jasmine Crockett, who's done a ba Jillian media interviews, 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.600 recently raised one point seven million, which is the same 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.800 amount that Corey Booker raised in New Jersey after giving 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.360 the large longest speech in Senate history, trying to sit 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:26.120 there and raise money for himself. AOC is enormously popular 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.800 in the party and possibly the future of it if 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:32.840 Democratic voters across the country, because regions do matter, especially 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.520 in a presidential primary. You have to win black voters 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.439 in the South, and the Latino voters in the West, 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.360 and then you know progressive voters in the Midwest and 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:45.880 progressive voters in the Northeast, progressive white voters. It's very 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:47.840 difficult to see that they'll all sit there and rally 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.960 around her. But so far the grassroots have opinion. They 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.480 have a pick, and AOC is right now their pick. 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.840 So the party activists, those who put their wallets and 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.560 spend their time and do the door knocking on behalf 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.240 of the Democratic Party to elect somebody they like AOC. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:05.719 To quote Sally Field when she won her oscar in 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:09.400 nineteen eighty five, they like her, They really really like her. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.200 But I'm a Republican, so maybe I'm not the best 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.400 person to ask when it comes to what Democrats want 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.880 and who their party leader is. Up next is a 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:23.400 Democratic polster who does so stay tuned with me for 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.000 this Thursday episode. Is Democrat polster Carly Cooperman. Thank you 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:27.960 so much for being here. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.439 Carly, Thank you for having me so Carly. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.400 I want to ask a question because I think most 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.520 Americans want to know who is the leader of the 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.160 Democratic Party, because for the first time, I think it's 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.760 like nineteen ninety one, there's a void, which is nerve 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.320 wracking for some people, but it really is very exciting 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.600 because out of that nineteen ninety one void you got 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:50.240 Bill Clinton. Do you see a star like that emerging 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.400 or is there a leader that we just don't kind 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.240 of forecast as a leader right now. 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.760 I don't think we know yet who the leader is. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.680 I definitely think there's a void that came out of 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:04.120 the elections. Democrats are really down on their party right now. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:09.080 They desperately want fresh leadership. They want people who are 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.680 going to come out with new ideas. They want people 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.440 who are going to take on Donald Trump. I don't 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:18.960 think today it is clear in terms of that Kamala 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:20.240 Harris is going to fill that void. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.040 I don't really see it going in that direction. 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.840 You've got somebody like AOC who is outspoken, she is 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:31.400 an effective speaker, but I don't see her taking hold 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.280 of the of the party. Despite the fact that she's 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.000 been out there, there's been a strong response to her 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:37.400 and Bernie Sanders. 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:39.920 She y had, she's raised a ton of money. 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.520 Look, I mean there's a huge positive response into her 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.280 and Sanders going on the road because no other Democrat 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:46.840 was doing that. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:51.640 You're right, the oligarchy tour. Yeah, let's call I'm not joking. 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.120 I think yeah. I think it's called the oligarchy Tour. 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:55.120 I think yeah. 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.520 I mean, look, people, I do not think Sanders and 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.400 AOC represent a majority of the Democratic Party. 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.600 But people were so happy. Democrats were so happy. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.840 To see somebody speak up because you know, the party 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.640 is down in the dumps. They are out in the wilderness. 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.560 They are trying to figure out how to come back. 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.920 Like obviously the first few months, you're going to see 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.600 some people disagreeing on what that strategy should be. And 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.480 I think the shell shock of you know, the force 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.840 for which Trump came back, pulling the levers of government 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.040 so much more effectively than the first time around, was 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.520 just huge. But I don't I don't see her coming 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.840 in and look, there's some people on the bench who 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.880 are trying to, you know, assert themselves more. You've got 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.760 Gavin Newsom trying to come on and you know, go 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.120 on other podcasts and try to like. 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:43.000 A podcast host. 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:47.360 Now I know, like that's that's what happened with media 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:48.240 this cycle. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:53.400 And you know, young people are consuming content on podcasts, 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.720 They're not consuming content through traditional news sources, and they are. 0:13:58.679 --> 0:13:59.760 You know, young men especially. 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.120 There's obviously been at nausee in this amount of discussion 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.880 around it, but it's a real thing. Democrats used to 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.880 be able to rely on young voters and that is 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.120 not where things are right now. 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.560 So, yeah, the David Shore data was really like it's 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.840 very startling, even even on the Republican side. After winning, 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.880 I said, wow, those are very stark numbers. What do 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.840 Democrats want? What did Drank about Democratic voters want from 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:33.400 their leader? And is there a difference among age, race, sex, geography? 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.920 Is there stark difference? Is that really does matter as 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.840 far as the future of the party, not just you 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.160 know that the young people would decide, but people in 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.040 key states decide a lot of us. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:44.320 Yeah. 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.320 Two, is there a difference? 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.000 Well above all? Right? 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.880 Now, what Democrats want are leaders that are going to 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.240 stand up to Donald Trump. There was a poll that 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:55.640 came out with the End of the West we I said, 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.920 seventy five percent of Democrats want somebody who's going to 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:03.320 stand up to Trump, and that was stronger than anything 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:07.880 else in terms of ideology. If forty six percent plurality 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.760 of Democrats said that they want, you know, the party 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:12.640 can stay the same, and then it was twenty percent 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.400 said it should be more liberal, twenty one percent more moderate. 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.240 And so basically you're. 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.520 Saying they were very broken on the direction philosophically. They 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.400 were just very strongly opposed to Trump, is what you're saying. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.600 Yeah, they are above all. 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.080 It's not an ideological thing right now, above all, it's 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.960 I mean, look, opposition to Trump is something that has 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:38.760 historically unified Democrats above all, but there was you know, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.720 I think part of the problem is that there husband 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.160 this leftward drift of the party over a lot of years, 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.240 and at this point, you know, I think there's an 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.280 awareness that that is, as you know, the party has 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:56.320 gone too far and they want their leaders to connect. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:57.160 To work in class voters. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.840 This is a voting block that they used to have, 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.600 and they want they want force that's going to stand 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.880 up for Trump. I also think you know, the first 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.880 time around with Trump, you saw people have an interest 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.200 in you know, this idea of bipartisanship and you know, 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:17.040 working together, and I think a decade later that's kind 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.320 of out the window. That's not where people are at 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.320 this point, and so they want there to be a stand. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:27.920 Yeah. So the thing that I want wonder is that 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.960 you have a lot of Democrats who kind of float 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.840 ideas that are i would say, quote unquote moderate. Right, 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.520 it's for like you'll see like a John Fetterman talk 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:41.880 about like Israel, or you'll see I forget his name now, 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.640 the congressman from Massachusetts who was like biological men don't 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.320 belong in girls sports, or you'll see one once in 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:52.680 a while they'll float something up. VINCENTE. Gonzalez voted for 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.000 the law that named after the young woman murdered by 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.680 Eliba Alien in Georgia, whose name also just slipped my mind. 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.800 Really good to my research and my memory today, but 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:05.879 it will come to me the minute this segment completely ends. 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.240 I'm like, this is the law. But you see that, 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:14.280 and then there's like a big pushback among like the twitterverse, 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.720 who don't really represent the average voter, because most voters 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.240 aren't on Twitter, but the fear of being mocked on 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.960 Twitter drives a lot of discourse. Do you think that 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:30.080 that is true and that someone will be like, hey, listen, 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:34.600 we'll stick to our progressive values on healthcare or gun control, 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.879 but we're going to moderate on the border, you know 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:39.800 what I mean something like that, where they're going to 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.879 look for things because there are issues that Democrats are 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.840 much more popular with the average American on, and then 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:47.760 there's some issues that Republicans are much more popular than 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.720 the average American on. And I think what Trump was 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:53.360 able to do is really abandon a lot of conservative 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.600 issues like abortion that was not popular with the average 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.040 American and say, no, we're not going to do a 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:02.800 nationwide bam, We're not going to do anything like that. 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.280 On healthcare, really don't really know what Trump's position was, 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.080 but it was like, we're going to take care of everybody, 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:14.320 and yeah, exactly. But do you see a Democrat willing 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:15.800 to sit there and the same way that Trump was 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.680 willing to tell pro lifers, hey, guess what, we got 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.440 everything you're going to get from us, and then that's 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.040 that and the rest of it you deal with on 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.040 your state level issues, do you think that a Democrat 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.560 would do on let's say the border for example, Well. 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.240 I absolutely think that the party if you look at 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.480 like the average kind of center where the party is 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.600 on something like immigration at the border, it is one 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:39.840 hundred percent moved to the right from where it used 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:40.040 to be. 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:44.000 I mean, you have Democrats coming out and just just 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.360 speaking acknowledging you know, immigration has gotten out of control. 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:49.760 You know, what's coming into the border is too much. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:55.320 We support getting illegal immigrants, especially who are convicted felons, 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:59.320 to leave. I like, so I think that there has 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.200 been shift in a response to where you know, the 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.040 American the electorate really is on that kind of issue. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.960 Donald Trump has done a very effective job, you know, 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.720 really hitting home that issue. And when he was running 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.000 list hear that in the economy, the cost of living, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.560 you know, he connected to voters on those issues, and 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.959 the Democrats were far too late scrambling to acknowledge that. 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.560 And so I do think you're seeing to some extent 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:26.400 a response and a willingness to. 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:28.800 Come there. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.480 But I also think part of the problem with the 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.439 Democrats last cycle is that they were really afraid to 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.639 go out there on Twitter for instance, and or on 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.639 podcasts and let them be you know, exposed to those 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:46.199 sorts of attacks, you know, something like abortion rights. Democrats 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.240 squarely were in the majority in terms of their attitudes 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.040 to that issue. Most Americans. Polling shows time at time 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.280 again nationally in swing states that people believe there is 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:59.199 a legal right to abortion. And so we saw that 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.480 that helped the Democrats in twenty twenty two. There were 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:03.119 a lot of bowet inities that were being put on 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:05.159 balves that people thought were going to help, you know, 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.600 in terms of the actual presidential election, and so great, 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.040 you know, they can talk about that, but at the 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.040 end of the day, it was very clear that in 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.880 a cycle where people felt like the cost of living 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.639 was too high in their day to day was too hard, 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.160 that just wasn't important. And so I do think they 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.639 absolutely need to and there will there has to be 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:27.880 if they're going to be successful in the midterms, some 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:29.520 kind of reconciliation. 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.320