1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Gradusky. Thank 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: you all for being here yet again. I hope you 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: like to Monday's episode on IRAN. I think it's a 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: little different a story that now is in the news, 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: but I was trying to cover it before it was. 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: But I want to take things back to America. Look 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: in our country. And I know this is a podcast 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: that I'm a Republican and I primarily talk to Republicans. 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: The audience is conservative, but I want to spend an 10 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: episode talking about Democrats, and not even in a negative light, 11 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: but really exploring where the Democratic Party is and where 12 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: it's going. There's been a lot of news on the 13 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: direction of the Democratic Party and who their future leader 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: will be. And while Republicans have a clear front runner 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight being Vice President of Vance, and 16 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: even a secondary front runner being Marco Rubio, Democrats are 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: really lost in the wilderness. There's not a clear concise 18 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: future for them. First, there's a lot of leaks coming out. 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: This week started with a lot of leaks coming out 20 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: about Joe Biden, the last Democratic leader, thetmomer president, in 21 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: a new book called Original Sin, and it's about his 22 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: cognitive decline and how the efforts on the part of 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: the media and the White House to hide its severity. 24 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: One of the leaks in the book I haven't read. 25 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to get an advanced copy soon, but one 26 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: of the leaks that did come out was that the 27 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: White House was afraid if he fell one more time, 28 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: that he would end up in a wheelchair. I will say, personally, 29 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: as somebody whose grandfather had Louis b dementia and I 30 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: saw somebody severely declining every single day, there were moments 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: in time looking at Joe Biden that it reminded me 32 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: of my grandfather in some of the worst states of 33 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: his decline. And the media and the White House cover 34 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: it up, and the Republicans did market maybe to an 35 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: unnecessary point, but they rightfully were the only ones pointing 36 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: it out. So the book Original Sin, which comes out 37 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: I think next week, one of the authors, Alex Thompson, 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: told me he'll be on the podcast to talk about it, 39 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: which it's very exciting. I really want to talk about 40 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: the state that the media and the White House covered 41 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: up Joe Biden's health, and I'm actually going to ask 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: hell listeners if you have a question about this and 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: you want me to ask a certain question at one 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: of the authors to Alex if he does come on, 45 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: I think he will least they will to ask him. 46 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: Shoot me an email at Ryan at numbers Game podcast 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: dot com. Ryan at Numbers Game Podcast. I comm and 48 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: I'll ask him when he comes on. I think that 49 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: people need to know more because so much was hit him. Anyway, 50 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats have talked have been trying to 51 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: avoid the conversation on Joe Biden. Chuck Schumer was on 52 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: MSNBC and flat and said, we're not looking back anymore. 53 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: We're going to look into the future as if it's 54 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: not relevant, as if the last four years have not 55 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: been relevant. Even though Joe Biden is out there and 56 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: he's still doing media. He was on the View last 57 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: week talking about how he's going to prepare to take 58 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: on Trump on the stump, rigorous, eighty three year old 59 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: Joe Biden just you know, hitting the campaign trail yet again. 60 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: And at the same time that you have the conversation 61 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden out in the media again and it's not 62 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: going away anytime soon, you have the negative comments and 63 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: coverage coming out of a Pennsylvania senator John Fetterman, if 64 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: you didn't read, his former chief of staff came forward 65 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: in a piece in New York Magazine saying that his 66 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: mental state was in basically freefall and that he was 67 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: angry and lashing out staff Andator Senator Fetament deny these allegations, 68 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: but since the piece came out, more staffers have resigned 69 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: from his office, and it seemingly that the Democratic Party, 70 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: some members of the Democratic Party and Democratic activists are 71 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: cheering him leaving because he is a more moderate voice 72 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party. Although he still has a pretty 73 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: progressive voting record, he's more moderate voice, especially on the 74 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: issue of Israel. And I think it's noteworthy if Vetterman 75 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: resigns or leaves early or doesn't run for reelection in 76 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: part because of being attacked so regularly. Now he did 77 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: have a stroke, he probably does have some cognitive issues 78 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: because of that. But when he was running and had 79 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: cognitive issues, when he couldn't finish a sentence during his debate, 80 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: he was brave. And now that he has been a 81 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: stalwart for Israel, is you know should think about resigning 82 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: or think about retiring early. I think that's very interesting, 83 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: and especially coming out of a cycle where Joe Biden 84 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: was healthy and rigorous and it was the best he's 85 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: ever been if you listen to Joe Scarborough and now 86 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: until he had to resign. So anyway, you look at 87 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: those two cases, those two stories going in about it, 88 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: and you look at the forward into the twenty twenty 89 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: eight election, which is, I know it seems like so 90 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: far away, but a candidate will be announcing that they 91 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: are running for president the day after the midterm, if 92 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: not beforehand, honestly, but probably right after the midterm. You'll 93 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: have your first Democratic nominee. And I think that it's 94 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: important to look at who is floating themselves out there. 95 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: Arizona Senator Reuben Diego, he was out this in the 96 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: stump recently. A lot of these Democrats right now, by 97 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: the by, are doing small tours, big tours in some cases, 98 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: but mostly small tours to important swing states and small 99 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: and swing regions and especially important primary and caucus states. 100 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: So you have Arizona Center Roup and Diego. He held 101 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: events in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. You have former Transportation Transportation 102 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: Secretary Pete Buddha Jeedge campaigning in Iowa with a beard 103 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 1: good for him. Minnesota governor and former Kamala Harris running 104 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: mate Tim Waltz was in Wisconsin. And then you have 105 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: the media tour on podcasts coming from like Gavin Newsom 106 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: in Chicago Mayor rama Manuel. He was the he worked 107 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: for President Obama as the chief of staff, and then 108 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: he was the mayor of Chicago, and then he was 109 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: the ambassador I believed to Japan under Joe Biden. He 110 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: is being ripped on the coals in a lot of 111 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: these podcast interviews. He's doing such a horrible job, but 112 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: he's floating idea for presidential run apparently. And then you've 113 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: Senator a Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy. They're all making the tours, 114 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: making the rounds, getting support early, and then there's the 115 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: aoc of it all. She is done across country tour 116 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: were called the Fight the Oligarchy Tour with Senator Bernie Sanders, 117 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: and it very much looks like she is possibly gearing 118 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: up for a presidential run. Chuck Schumer's up in twenty 119 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: twenty six for the US Senate seat, but I don't 120 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: believe that she's gone a vuying for that. It'd be 121 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: very tough to oust the minority leader, especially he's been 122 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: there for so long and has so much institutional support 123 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: among organizations in New York. New York as a lifelong 124 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: New Yorker. In New York is not a progressive state 125 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: as much as an establishment Democrat state, and certain organizations 126 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: and institutions keep the party from veering too far to 127 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: the left. It's not California, it's not Vermont. It's New York. 128 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: It's different. So I don't look at it and say 129 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: she's going to run for the Senate. I think she's 130 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: looking for and eyeing a presidential run with what she's 131 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: done so far, based upon what I've seen. But let's 132 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: get to the numbers of all, because numbers do matter. 133 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: This is the Numbers Game podcast. It's extremely early, but 134 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: Democrat voters when asked a question of who would they 135 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: support in twenty twenty eight, Kamala Harris is the lead 136 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: because she was the former vice president. She is the 137 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: highest name ID. People remember her, people know her. That's 138 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: very very common. Sarah Palin was leading out of two 139 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: thousand and eight electional loss. There's a lot of people 140 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: who run who lead. Paul Ryan was certainly very high 141 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: for some part after twenty twelve, just because they know 142 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: their name. That's why they slip their end and gal 143 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: and support them in these early polls. But I don't 144 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: think even Kamala Harris is going to run anyway. Second 145 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: place is either Pete Bootage Judge or Alexandro Cosia Quartez. 146 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: These are two very they're young, but they have two 147 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: very different parts of the party that they seem to represent. 148 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: Also very high in single digits in these polls is 149 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: Corey Booker and Gavin Newsom. Corey Booker center from New Jersey, 150 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom Gaverner from California. When aggregated Democrats support Kamala 151 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: Harris a twenty seven percent, that's a very high number 152 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: for all these polls, but a very weak number overall. 153 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: Once again, I don't think she's running. Pete Bootage was 154 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: at sixteen percent, AOC was at thirteen percent, Corey Booker 155 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: at nine, and Gavin Newsom at seven. That is a 156 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: pretty open primary. And remember, once again, Kamala Harris, if 157 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: you take her out of it, because her numbers are 158 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: maasoning name id, you have this giant hole of who 159 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: is the future, who is the leader of the Democratic Party. 160 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: Partially that we're going to see these the future leader 161 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: comes from money. Money tells us part of that story, 162 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: because the people who donate to politics, people who sit 163 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: there and give their twenty dollars a month to a 164 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: candidate and a recurring donation online. By the way, if 165 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: you ever want to give to a candidate, giving a 166 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: recurring donation is the best way that they'll receive that money. 167 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: Most of the money will actually go to the candidate 168 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: and not to all the fundraisers and funding. If you 169 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: do a ten dollars donation once every month for a year, 170 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: over one hundred dollars donation just a little thing. The 171 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: ten dollars donation actually goes further. But that's besides the point. 172 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: But who is giving those recurring donations in democratic politics? 173 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: Where is the grassroots? They're behind AOC. In the first 174 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: quarter of this year, from January to March, AOC raised 175 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: nine point six million dollars for her re election campaign 176 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: in a seat that no Republican can win ever. I 177 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: mean maybe in the future sometime, but not in today, 178 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: not in twenty twenty five, not in twenty twenty six, 179 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: probably not in twenty twenty eight. That seat cannot be 180 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: won by a Republican. It's a seat that Kamahers won 181 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: by twenty two points. So why are they giving it 182 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: to her instead of let's say, a vulnerable Democrat running 183 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: for the USN and in Michigan or running in a 184 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: vulnerable House seat. Because small dollar donors believe in her 185 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: message and they believe in her vision. They think that 186 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: she represents the future of the Democratic Party, or at 187 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: least their version of how they want it. Or maybe 188 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: she just even represents somebody who's going to fight Trump 189 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: and Ela Musk and jad Vans and the Republican Party 190 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: as a whole. They think that she's their only effective 191 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: person really doing it. And I want to compare. Nine 192 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: million dollars is a lot of money, but I want 193 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: to just show you how much money it actually is. 194 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: Chris Murphy, the cenator from one of the wealthy estates 195 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: in the country, Connecticut, not a poor state, very wealthy. 196 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: He's very well known, he's very ambitious, he does a 197 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: lot of media. He raised eight million. She represents one 198 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: little district. Jasmine Crockett, who's done a ba Jillian media interviews, 199 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: recently raised one point seven million, which is the same 200 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: amount that Corey Booker raised in New Jersey after giving 201 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: the large longest speech in Senate history, trying to sit 202 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: there and raise money for himself. AOC is enormously popular 203 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: in the party and possibly the future of it if 204 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: Democratic voters across the country, because regions do matter, especially 205 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: in a presidential primary. You have to win black voters 206 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: in the South, and the Latino voters in the West, 207 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: and then you know progressive voters in the Midwest and 208 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: progressive voters in the Northeast, progressive white voters. It's very 209 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: difficult to see that they'll all sit there and rally 210 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: around her. But so far the grassroots have opinion. They 211 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: have a pick, and AOC is right now their pick. 212 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: So the party activists, those who put their wallets and 213 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: spend their time and do the door knocking on behalf 214 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party to elect somebody they like AOC. 215 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: To quote Sally Field when she won her oscar in 216 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, they like her, They really really like her. 217 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: But I'm a Republican, so maybe I'm not the best 218 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: person to ask when it comes to what Democrats want 219 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: and who their party leader is. Up next is a 220 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: Democratic polster who does so stay tuned with me for 221 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: this Thursday episode. Is Democrat polster Carly Cooperman. Thank you 222 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: so much for being here. 223 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 2: Carly, Thank you for having me so Carly. 224 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: I want to ask a question because I think most 225 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: Americans want to know who is the leader of the 226 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: Democratic Party, because for the first time, I think it's 227 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: like nineteen ninety one, there's a void, which is nerve 228 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: wracking for some people, but it really is very exciting 229 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: because out of that nineteen ninety one void you got 230 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton. Do you see a star like that emerging 231 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: or is there a leader that we just don't kind 232 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: of forecast as a leader right now. 233 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: I don't think we know yet who the leader is. 234 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 3: I definitely think there's a void that came out of 235 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: the elections. Democrats are really down on their party right now. 236 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 3: They desperately want fresh leadership. They want people who are 237 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: going to come out with new ideas. They want people 238 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 3: who are going to take on Donald Trump. I don't 239 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 3: think today it is clear in terms of that Kamala 240 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: Harris is going to fill that void. 241 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: I don't really see it going in that direction. 242 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 3: You've got somebody like AOC who is outspoken, she is 243 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: an effective speaker, but I don't see her taking hold 244 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 3: of the of the party. Despite the fact that she's 245 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 3: been out there, there's been a strong response to her 246 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: and Bernie Sanders. 247 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: She y had, she's raised a ton of money. 248 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: Look, I mean there's a huge positive response into her 249 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: and Sanders going on the road because no other Democrat 250 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: was doing that. 251 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: You're right, the oligarchy tour. Yeah, let's call I'm not joking. 252 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: I think yeah. I think it's called the oligarchy Tour. 253 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: I think yeah. 254 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: I mean, look, people, I do not think Sanders and 255 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: AOC represent a majority of the Democratic Party. 256 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: But people were so happy. Democrats were so happy. 257 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 3: To see somebody speak up because you know, the party 258 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: is down in the dumps. They are out in the wilderness. 259 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 3: They are trying to figure out how to come back. 260 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: Like obviously the first few months, you're going to see 261 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: some people disagreeing on what that strategy should be. And 262 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 3: I think the shell shock of you know, the force 263 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 3: for which Trump came back, pulling the levers of government 264 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: so much more effectively than the first time around, was 265 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: just huge. But I don't I don't see her coming 266 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: in and look, there's some people on the bench who 267 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: are trying to, you know, assert themselves more. You've got 268 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom trying to come on and you know, go 269 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: on other podcasts and try to like. 270 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: A podcast host. 271 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: Now I know, like that's that's what happened with media 272 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: this cycle. 273 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 3: And you know, young people are consuming content on podcasts, 274 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: They're not consuming content through traditional news sources, and they are. 275 00:13:58,679 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: You know, young men especially. 276 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: There's obviously been at nausee in this amount of discussion 277 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: around it, but it's a real thing. Democrats used to 278 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: be able to rely on young voters and that is 279 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: not where things are right now. 280 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: So, yeah, the David Shore data was really like it's 281 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: very startling, even even on the Republican side. After winning, 282 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: I said, wow, those are very stark numbers. What do 283 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: Democrats want? What did Drank about Democratic voters want from 284 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: their leader? And is there a difference among age, race, sex, geography? 285 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: Is there stark difference? Is that really does matter as 286 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: far as the future of the party, not just you 287 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: know that the young people would decide, but people in 288 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: key states decide a lot of us. 289 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 290 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: Two, is there a difference? 291 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: Well above all? Right? 292 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: Now, what Democrats want are leaders that are going to 293 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: stand up to Donald Trump. There was a poll that 294 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: came out with the End of the West we I said, 295 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: seventy five percent of Democrats want somebody who's going to 296 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: stand up to Trump, and that was stronger than anything 297 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: else in terms of ideology. If forty six percent plurality 298 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: of Democrats said that they want, you know, the party 299 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: can stay the same, and then it was twenty percent 300 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 3: said it should be more liberal, twenty one percent more moderate. 301 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: And so basically you're. 302 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: Saying they were very broken on the direction philosophically. They 303 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: were just very strongly opposed to Trump, is what you're saying. 304 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are above all. 305 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 3: It's not an ideological thing right now, above all, it's 306 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 3: I mean, look, opposition to Trump is something that has 307 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: historically unified Democrats above all, but there was you know, 308 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: I think part of the problem is that there husband 309 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: this leftward drift of the party over a lot of years, 310 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: and at this point, you know, I think there's an 311 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: awareness that that is, as you know, the party has 312 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: gone too far and they want their leaders to connect. 313 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: To work in class voters. 314 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: This is a voting block that they used to have, 315 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: and they want they want force that's going to stand 316 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: up for Trump. I also think you know, the first 317 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: time around with Trump, you saw people have an interest 318 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: in you know, this idea of bipartisanship and you know, 319 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: working together, and I think a decade later that's kind 320 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 3: of out the window. That's not where people are at 321 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: this point, and so they want there to be a stand. 322 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. So the thing that I want wonder is that 323 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: you have a lot of Democrats who kind of float 324 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: ideas that are i would say, quote unquote moderate. Right, 325 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: it's for like you'll see like a John Fetterman talk 326 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: about like Israel, or you'll see I forget his name now, 327 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: the congressman from Massachusetts who was like biological men don't 328 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: belong in girls sports, or you'll see one once in 329 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: a while they'll float something up. VINCENTE. Gonzalez voted for 330 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: the law that named after the young woman murdered by 331 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: Eliba Alien in Georgia, whose name also just slipped my mind. 332 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: Really good to my research and my memory today, but 333 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: it will come to me the minute this segment completely ends. 334 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the law. But you see that, 335 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: and then there's like a big pushback among like the twitterverse, 336 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: who don't really represent the average voter, because most voters 337 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: aren't on Twitter, but the fear of being mocked on 338 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: Twitter drives a lot of discourse. Do you think that 339 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: that is true and that someone will be like, hey, listen, 340 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: we'll stick to our progressive values on healthcare or gun control, 341 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: but we're going to moderate on the border, you know 342 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: what I mean something like that, where they're going to 343 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: look for things because there are issues that Democrats are 344 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: much more popular with the average American on, and then 345 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: there's some issues that Republicans are much more popular than 346 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: the average American on. And I think what Trump was 347 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: able to do is really abandon a lot of conservative 348 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: issues like abortion that was not popular with the average 349 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: American and say, no, we're not going to do a 350 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: nationwide bam, We're not going to do anything like that. 351 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: On healthcare, really don't really know what Trump's position was, 352 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: but it was like, we're going to take care of everybody, 353 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: and yeah, exactly. But do you see a Democrat willing 354 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: to sit there and the same way that Trump was 355 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: willing to tell pro lifers, hey, guess what, we got 356 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: everything you're going to get from us, and then that's 357 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: that and the rest of it you deal with on 358 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: your state level issues, do you think that a Democrat 359 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: would do on let's say the border for example, Well. 360 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: I absolutely think that the party if you look at 361 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 3: like the average kind of center where the party is 362 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: on something like immigration at the border, it is one 363 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: hundred percent moved to the right from where it used 364 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 3: to be. 365 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you have Democrats coming out and just just 366 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 2: speaking acknowledging you know, immigration has gotten out of control. 367 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: You know, what's coming into the border is too much. 368 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: We support getting illegal immigrants, especially who are convicted felons, 369 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: to leave. I like, so I think that there has 370 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 3: been shift in a response to where you know, the 371 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: American the electorate really is on that kind of issue. 372 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: Donald Trump has done a very effective job, you know, 373 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: really hitting home that issue. And when he was running 374 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: list hear that in the economy, the cost of living, 375 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 3: you know, he connected to voters on those issues, and 376 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 3: the Democrats were far too late scrambling to acknowledge that. 377 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 3: And so I do think you're seeing to some extent 378 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 3: a response and a willingness to. 379 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: Come there. 380 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 3: But I also think part of the problem with the 381 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 3: Democrats last cycle is that they were really afraid to 382 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: go out there on Twitter for instance, and or on 383 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 3: podcasts and let them be you know, exposed to those 384 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 3: sorts of attacks, you know, something like abortion rights. Democrats 385 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: squarely were in the majority in terms of their attitudes 386 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: to that issue. Most Americans. Polling shows time at time 387 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: again nationally in swing states that people believe there is 388 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 3: a legal right to abortion. And so we saw that 389 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: that helped the Democrats in twenty twenty two. There were 390 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 3: a lot of bowet inities that were being put on 391 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 3: balves that people thought were going to help, you know, 392 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 3: in terms of the actual presidential election, and so great, 393 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 3: you know, they can talk about that, but at the 394 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: end of the day, it was very clear that in 395 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 3: a cycle where people felt like the cost of living 396 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 3: was too high in their day to day was too hard, 397 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 3: that just wasn't important. And so I do think they 398 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 3: absolutely need to and there will there has to be 399 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 3: if they're going to be successful in the midterms, some 400 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 3: kind of reconciliation. 401 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about geography because I think 402 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: it's a story and a narrative as someone who worked 403 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: on politics basically my whole life. The only other job 404 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: I ever had was Victoria's Secret So this is like 405 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: my whole kid in kaboodle. I mean, I have geography 406 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: is a very important narrative that people don't cover because 407 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: have the Democratic have the Democratic primary not had such 408 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: a strong emphasis in the Deep South, on the Southeast 409 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: so early, it wouldn't Joe Biden would have never been 410 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: nomine He would have been saved. He was saved by 411 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: black voters in this southeast. Bill Clinton was saved by 412 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: black voters in Southeast. Barack Obama was helped by progressive 413 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: white voters in Iowa who gave him a chance and 414 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: legitimize his candidacy. Geography really matters where the party. I think. Listen, 415 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: if in twenty sixteen had the Republican primary been Iowa 416 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: than Texas, Ted Cruz likely would have been a nominee 417 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: and not Donald Trump. Geography does matter. The primary start 418 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: of this year in South Carolina. They said we're going 419 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: to start them in South Carolina stead of Iowa and 420 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. That will be very, I think important when 421 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: it comes to progressives trying to get a foothole because 422 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: South Carolina Democrats are not the more progressive members of 423 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: the bunch. That's more of establishment state in democratic politics. 424 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: Do you think that if they continue that it's a 425 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: way for the party really to avoid a case where 426 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: maybe the more left winger would come in. And do 427 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: you think that that's act my take on it is 428 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: accurate kind of prognostication of the party. 429 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a really fair point you're making. 430 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: I think that. 431 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,239 Speaker 3: The Democratic Party is not going to change it in 432 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 3: a way where you have some of the states that 433 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 3: are really far left or have a stronger far left 434 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: presence go first. 435 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 2: It's just happen now. 436 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 3: No matter what you're going to see in four years, 437 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: I think you're going to see a wide range of 438 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 3: candidates come forward, and you're going to have some on 439 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 3: the far left. I think the ones who've been most 440 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 3: successful in a voice or at least in the conversations 441 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: about potential in the future. Pete Bouja, Gretchen Whitmer, you know, 442 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: knew some like we talked about JB. Pritzcare like those 443 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 3: kind of people, the ones AOC aside tend to, you know, 444 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: be ones that are attempting to be more modern. 445 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 2: But also it's about that where we are right now 446 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 2: is a country I barring. 447 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of crazy that I'm sure 448 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 3: is still yet to come from Donald Trump. 449 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 2: I cannot see us being in a place where the 450 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: shift could go that far back to the left. 451 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 3: And so, you know, kind of responding to the moment 452 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: of where we are in politics right now, I think 453 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: the Democratic Party has to continue thinking about those sorts 454 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: of states and it really does matter, but there's more 455 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: to it that matters to in terms of just being 456 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 3: able to build that coalition and the momentum. And I 457 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: don't see that being a far left candidate right now. 458 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: Really, what about Josh Shapiro, because that's the name you 459 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: haven't said so far, and it is two Republicans. Republicans 460 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: feel like Jos Shapiro. He does have an Obama accent. 461 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: I'll just sit there and say that he does kind 462 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: of speak like I've never met a Jew who has 463 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: a blackbeet preacher accent besides Jos Shapiro. But that aside, 464 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: he's extremely popular in a very critical state and a 465 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: lot of Republicans saw that he was stepped aside, and 466 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: that there is kind of this big question mark of 467 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: does he have obviously is a place in the Democratic Party, 468 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: but does he have a future where he would be 469 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: the leader Wes Moore. He said he's not going to 470 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: run and let's see if he sticks to that. But 471 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: Wes Moore is also a very very viable Canada government 472 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: crea and super amazing resume, really young, black, you know everything. 473 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: Do you think that Josh Shapiro because he is frankly, 474 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: because he's Jewish, faces a big problem within a certain 475 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: fraction of the party. 476 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: I mean it's a concern I have. I did not 477 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 2: intentionally leave off jos Shapiro. 478 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: No, I know, I'm not blaming you. I'm just it 479 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: just came my mind. 480 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think he's one hundred percent one of 481 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 3: the rising stars future of the party. 482 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: He you know, people respond really well to him. He is. 483 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: His favorability readings last year round the election, I mean 484 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 3: it was higher than almost any governor I would argue 485 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: in any state, upwards of sixty percent. Very well liked, 486 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 3: perceived as more moderate, and I know a lot of 487 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: people that were disappointed that he was not the Democratic nominee. 488 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: I was shocked. Yeah, I was genuinely. 489 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: Shout in terms of like how that went down. 490 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, they heard the meeting went badly. 491 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, exactly. 492 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 3: I do have concern about a Jewish person too, though, 493 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 3: it's tough. I mean, same with Pee poota judge and 494 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 3: having a gay person get elected. And by the way, 495 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, there are a lot of things that went 496 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 3: wrong with that campaign, but she was a woman, and 497 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 3: you know, it's not left to be unsaid that our 498 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: country is not yet elected a female president either. So 499 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 3: it's a big country and there are a lot of 500 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 3: you know, specific demographic car. 501 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't I don't think that in the same 502 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: way that I don't think and this is just my 503 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: personal take. I don't think the Democratic Party is going 504 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: to nominate Pee poota judge, in part because I don't 505 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: think he can win over black voters in the South 506 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: in the primary. I don't think that the Republican Party 507 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: is going to nominate a gay person either, even if 508 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: there was one. There's not one on the horizon, but 509 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: if there was one, I don't think that that would 510 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: be a possibility. Despite you know, they like certain figures 511 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: are our gay I don't think they would do that. 512 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: I don't think that the Republican parties don made a 513 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: woman in the near future either. And I don't think 514 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: that and my person because I don't think the Democratic 515 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: Party will too after being burned by Hillary and Kamla. 516 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: Do you get that from from Democratic voters? 517 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: I completely agree. I mean, I don't know that it's 518 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: being said as frankly and as honestly. 519 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: As I'm just saying it like it is. I mean 520 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: whatever I mean, people could disagree with me, but I 521 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: think that that's what I see it. 522 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: Oh, I do. Look, I also think I mean the 523 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 2: movement that we're seeing in America around like a resurgence 524 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 2: in religion right like even the response to you know, 525 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: having a pope from America. 526 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: I feel like there is this cultural moment right now 527 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 3: in the country that is going back to you know 528 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 3: what tends to be associated with right word policies. But 529 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 3: it makes some of these demographic groups harder to see 530 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 3: as somebody who's going to get elected nationally. 531 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 2: And that's the reality of things right now. 532 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: Okay, last shoe questions. One, What are like two or 533 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: three things that you could think of that you think 534 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: Republicans don't understand about Democrats but they should. 535 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: Republicans don't. 536 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 3: Well, I would say, uh, for a lot of Democrats, 537 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 3: you know, issues like climate change, you know, LGBTQ issues, 538 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 3: things like that that you know there's a values component 539 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 3: to it, and I think that it matters to Democrats, 540 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 3: but I think too many many Democrats it is not 541 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 3: the top of mind or like issues that are driving them. 542 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: And I think that at this point. 543 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 3: Partially you know, as you know, giving credit to effective 544 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: communications on the Republican side, and you know, I think 545 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 3: Democrats have been painted out to be this very far 546 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 3: left leaning, really out of touch, like wacky liberal kind 547 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: of thing, and I don't really think that speaks the 548 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 3: truth to a lot of Democrats. And it's a messaging 549 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: problem too. But I feel like there is a misperception 550 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 3: at this point of where a lot of Democrats are. 551 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: What are now? I mean, is the economy still the 552 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: number one issue for Democrats going to rights as of 553 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: right now? I guess stopping Trump will be number one, 554 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: and I guess the economy probably number two. What is 555 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: a ray if you looked at all the polling and 556 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: I've looked at a lot of polling obviously going into 557 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: the midterms and into these special elections, what are give 558 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: me one or two things that Democrats have twoth look 559 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: of that's positive in this moment. 560 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 2: Well, I think that there's a belief that Trump is 561 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: going too far. 562 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 3: I mean tariffs like tariffs one, two, and three, right 563 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 3: like he Trump got elected because he convinced people that 564 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 3: he understood how expensive life was for them. You know, 565 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 3: he said that everything was going to get more affordable. 566 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 3: And I mean it's been a roller coaster over the 567 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 3: last two months with what's happening right now. 568 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: But now he's having a message that we should. 569 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 3: All endure a short term, short term pain for this 570 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 3: long term, you know, complete reshuffling of how the. 571 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 2: Global economy is going to work. 572 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 3: And yet now he's backing away from that, and there's 573 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 3: a lot of inconsistency. I don't see how this doesn't 574 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 3: make life more expensive for people in the short term. 575 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 3: And I think that it gives Democrats an opportunity to 576 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 3: come back to their own economic message and connect with 577 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 3: working class voters. 578 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: So that's a good positive for Democrats if they can, 579 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: if they can hit on the moment, because I always 580 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: say different politics is like an open window. It's only 581 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: open for a little while and then it's shut And 582 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: asked Chris Christy, once it's shut, its sometimes it never reopens. Carly, 583 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: where can people go to read more about you? You're 584 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: pulling your information. 585 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. 586 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 3: I'm on Exit Cartley Cooperman and you know I write 587 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 3: up eds and the like off and on the Hill. 588 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: Oh and I go on Fox News. 589 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: Okay, well, well, Carly, thank you for being on this podcast. 590 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. 591 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. 592 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: You're listening to It's a Numbers Game with Ryan Grodowski. 593 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this message. Our question today 594 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: and they Ask Me Anything segment actually comes from on 595 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: Twitter from a guy name as at Jared but Jared 596 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: Smith spelled but Jared. And if you want to be 597 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: part of the Ask Me Anything segment, you can either 598 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: tweet at me at Ryan Gerdsky or you can email 599 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: me Ryan at Numbers Game podcast dot com. That's Ryan 600 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: at numbers Plural gamepodcast dot com. Okay. To Jared's question, 601 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: he asked, when will labor unions wake up and oppose 602 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: mass migration as a wage suppression scheme. That is a 603 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: great question, Jared. So, Donald Trump's candidcy back in twenty 604 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: twenty four last year was probably the most not most likely, 605 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: but it was. It was the most pro union nomination 606 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: or Republicans had in decades. I mean, you have to 607 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: probably go back to Nixon or even further. And it 608 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: received actually very little union support as far as the 609 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: organization goes, not union voters, voters who are members of 610 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: a union, but the organizations. Trump received a lot of 611 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: support from police unions, some the Border Patrol union, and 612 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: he got I think one steam fitters union and one 613 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: steel workers union, but they were local unions and that 614 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: was it. Famously, the TA Seamsters did not endorse, which 615 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: is a big deal, but it wasn't like they jumped 616 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: to the Republican side, despite Trump doing everything he can 617 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: to really ask them for it. But part of the 618 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: problem with the unions is that they are partisan, like 619 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: they are activists within the Democratic Party. The AFLCIO is 620 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: a wing of the Democratic Party. I don't think that 621 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: they care so much about the best interests of their 622 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: voters as much as they care about the best interests 623 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: of the party as a whole. They're just an arm 624 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: of it. There used to be a time in our 625 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: country where Democrats and unions, but a lot of times 626 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: union and union activists really opposed illegal immigration and mass immigration. 627 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: Ceesar Harbez, the great union activists of the twentieth century. 628 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: We used to call illegal aliens wetbacks on a regular basis. 629 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: He was a very big opponent against illegal immigration. He 630 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: was Hispanic, He was a Democrat, He was a progressive Democrat. 631 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: He was a labor activist, but he realized that you 632 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: could not be pro labor and pro illegal immigration and 633 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: mass immigration. That was a very big part of the 634 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: Democratic Party and the unions as a whole. I don't 635 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: think that's going to change unless the union leadership has changed, 636 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: because I think where rank and file voters are within 637 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: the union is not the same place that union leadership is. 638 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: It's a lot like the Catholic Church in any ways. 639 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 1: The Catholic Church, the cardinals are much more progressive than 640 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: the younger priests are. And I think the union leadership 641 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: is much more progressive and aligned with Democratic politicians than 642 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: the actual rank and file members are. And I think 643 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: that that's not going to change until the non establishment 644 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: figures within these unions start winning their union presidencies and 645 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: their elections, which they are very expensive, costly elections where 646 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: union members vote. That's I mean, that's basically until they change. 647 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that it's going to change. The Teamsters 648 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: union is the only one I could see the major 649 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: union maybe changing now that they are at least willing 650 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: to say, hey, our votes possibly up in the future. 651 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: They did just doors Josh Holly for re election in Missouri. 652 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: I think that maybe they'll be the first ones if 653 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: we see one, but I wouldn't hold my breath on 654 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: seeing one. Hopefully one day. I think it's important. I 655 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: think that they will benefit from that. They'd be a 656 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: big boom for union and for a lower wage for 657 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: workers to sit there and increase their wages if we 658 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: crack down on mass migration. But they have to be 659 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: there and their leaders supposed to be there. So thank 660 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: you for that question, Jared. Please email me those questions though. 661 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: They really really help with this podcast, and you could 662 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: like and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever 663 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Please give me a five star 664 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: review if you like the show, and we'll be back 665 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: next week.