WEBVTT - Francine reviews Netflix's Mr. McMahon documentary 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.160 Hey, everyone, it is between its Dring Drink Tea and 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.680 you are listening to Eyes up here with drink Stein 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:38.240 in the iHeart Radio Network or work rad podcast as. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:42.880 Always on, Dad, Dannie, How you doing. I haven't really 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.680 talked to you in the last couple of weeks. I 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.320 was away posted a video of me, Uh, don't work 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:53.479 for me and want to say ride, I was on vacation. 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.920 I'm emotionally exhausted, but I'm feeling good. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.360 Oh I'm sorry to hear that. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.440 Well in a good way. Just sports related, but in 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:01.960 a good way. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:07.560 Okay, all right, well let's let's go mix whatever. We 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.760 are late to the party on this one. But I 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.720 have had so many requests that I finally sat down 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:19.720 and watched Mister McMahon didn't want to watch it. I 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.600 really was like, I don't really feel like watching it. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:28.400 But I will say once I got into it, I 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:33.360 enjoyed it overall. I will admit that. M Now, there 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:38.280 are things that bothered me, and there are things that 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:42.800 made me extremely sad and touched me in a way, 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:47.520 and well we can go over that. But you you 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.640 saw some of it, you said, and you saw a 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:50.600 lot of clips. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.160 Yeah, we were I was out. I didn't I had 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:57.400 no interest at first. I just I was not you know, 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.520 as it was leading up to it, I just I decided. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.200 I was like, you know what, I'm kind of done 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.200 with this. I just I don't want to watch this 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:10.680 story again. As like kind of early release notes were 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.440 coming out about it. It was just the same stories 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.120 being regurgitated and so on and so forth, and I 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.360 was like, you know what, Chad's gonna kind of dip 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.560 out on this one. I'm not, I'm not in. But 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.000 then I started to see some stuff and I was like, oh, 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.200 once I'm out. Of course, it always pulls me back in, 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.679 as it always does. But uh, very curious to see 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.720 your thoughts. So I did. I checked it, I checked 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.040 out what I what I could, and I got a 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:38.280 good portion of the story. 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.880 Of course. Okay, well, I made it a point to 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.040 sit down and watch all of it. I watched it 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:49.760 in two nights, and I will say the most interesting 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:57.840 I guess segment to me or episode was the first one, 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:05.400 which was, yes, I am not an officionado on Vince McMahon. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.440 I did not know a lot of his backstory. If 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:14.880 I did not know Vince McMahon. Now, I'm not gonna 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.280 say I really know him as a person, because yes, 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.959 I've worked for him, Yes I have my stories about him, 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.800 but I didn't have a relationship with him. Okay. I 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:28.240 wasn't friends with him like I was friendly with Paul 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.280 Hayman when I worked with him, close with Paul hamm 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:36.400 wasn't close to Vince McMahon, okay. But all the stuff 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.760 that we do know about him kind of makes me 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.520 not like him as a person. With that said, if 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:49.080 I didn't hear of all the allegations and the way 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.960 he treated people and all this stuff, and I saw 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:56.839 this first episode, I would feel empathy for the man 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.400 because I did not know about his background, with his 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.160 father not knowing him until he was twelve, growing up 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:12.320 in a trailer park, broke poor, never receiving the love 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:19.480 and the affection, and just having a dad that wanted 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.719 to be around you. I didn't know any of this, 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:27.240 so that part touched me. I said to myself, this 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:33.640 poor guy. I'm not justifying anything that he might have done, 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.920 because it's all allegedly. We always say that here not 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:43.520 justifying any of it, but seeing this part, there is 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:49.000 a reason why he is the way he is. Yeah, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:55.159 and I'm not saying it's you know, acceptable to be 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.839 like that, because, like I kept saying, if you come 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.080 from something like that, you should reverse it and treat 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.400 your children better than the way you were treating. Like 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.280 I'm saying this out loud, I'm telling my husband, I'm 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:12.800 thinking it, you know. But there is a route to 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:17.280 where this all stems from the way he is, the behavior, 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:21.200 the I mean, how can it not affect you? 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:22.240 Right? 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:28.000 So, this to me was the most interesting segment of 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:29.359 the six going forward. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.640 Yeah, I loved it. I love that whole episode. I 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.800 knew a lot of the story from over the years 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.120 and reading interviews with Vince and some of the media 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:40.839 that he has done. It's weird that he says, you know, 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.640 I don't like talking about myself, and you know, I 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.120 don't like doing these interviews, and I don't really do 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.720 these interviews. He's done a fair share over the years, 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.480 and he has told some of these stories, so this 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.280 was just more of an elaborate telling of them right 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.760 on this first episode. But to see him get emotional 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.520 over his father telling him one time he said that 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.000 he loved him, and it was the day before he 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:11.760 passed away. To see Vince McMahon tear up, pink eyed 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.719 and everything. That was like wow. That to me, that 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:20.080 was the first shocker of the series, was the Vince 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:24.440 McMahon tear welling because all he wanted to do was 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.440 prove to his dad that he could put the business 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.760 where he wanted it. And it was like he was 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:34.120 against all odds, you know, and his dad finally saw 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.719 what he his vision was. But towards the end, towards 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:38.480 the very end. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:43.000 To me, he came off in this first episode. He 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:48.920 came off as child blake. His speech wasn't that confident 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.279 mister McMahon. To me, he was a little more timid. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:57.400 It looked like he was uncomfortable at times with sharing 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.560 that information, even though you said he you know, talked 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.320 about and then the past or whatever. This was a 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:08.400 side of Vince that I had never seen before. And 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.119 I mean, as sad as it was, it was also 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:16.560 refreshing because you say to yourself, ah, you know, the 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:20.040 guy does have a heart. He is a caring human 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.200 being in some aspects, you know what I mean. You 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:26.880 hear all this horrible, horrible stuff about him, and then 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:31.040 you watch this first episode and I just in a way, 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:35.160 I felt bad for him. I felt bad for that 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:40.280 little boy, not so much the adult Vince. I felt 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:45.080 bad for the child, Vince, because no child should have to, 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.440 you know, beg for love from their parents. Horrible. I 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.880 tell my kids I love them fifty million times a day, 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:56.000 and it never gets old for me. I never, I 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.320 will never not accept a hug or a kiss or 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.600 a snuggle like I love that kind of stuff, you know, 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:04.880 And I know everybody's different. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.600 Yeah, And even in buying the company from him, I mean, 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.360 they're expecting him to fail, right, he purchases his business 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:13.920 and the deal is, hey, you miss the payment, and 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.960 the company goes back to me. He's saying they're expecting 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.600 him to fail the whole time. So and Linda used 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.280 the analogy of robbing Peter to pay Paul that they 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.120 were basically just using the funds that were coming in 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.880 from the shows to make the payments on the business, 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.000 and you know they would eventually lead up to starting 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.760 to make the money. But you know, they were expecting 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.960 him not to move on, and he kind of pried 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.720 the business away from Guerrilla Monsoon, which again, you know 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:48.959 I've heard that over the years. They showed his trajectory 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.360 from the announcer who he stepped in when they needed him, 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.439 and they said he wasn't very good as an announcer, 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.360 but he had some presents and you know, he could 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.839 kind of tell the stories. They didn't have faith in 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:02.600 him as the owner, and they thought he was gonna 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.800 fail and not make the payments, and just very it was. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.439 You were right that he didn't have that same mister 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:15.000 McMahon confidence in Aura as he. 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.959 He didn't have his swag on. He was very timid 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.800 to me when he was speaking. And when they showed him, 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.559 you know, doing the commentary and stuff, I guess those 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.200 were later episodes or later broadcast because I thought he 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.600 did really well and I always. 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:30.840 Loved him in the commentation. 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.120 From what they showed, you know they did. I don't 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.600 know if they showed his very first you know, try it, 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.840 or if the father just pushed him into it and 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.600 he had to know moves and backgrounds. I mean, that's amazing. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.120 If he didn't have an ear piece in his ear 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.200 and then just go on the fly, that's not an 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.240 easy thing to do, you know, So I give him 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.160 credit for just jumping in and later on we see 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.240 that Shane pretty much did the same thing. He was 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.320 the referee, the announcer, he was this, he was that, 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.880 blah blah blah. So they're paying their dues and I 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:08.679 love that, but it just was to me, it was heartbreaking. 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:15.679 He just looked so uncomfortable speaking about his past. And 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.600 I you know, he's a great actor. We all know this, 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.720 So is he doing this to get sympathy or was 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:26.200 that the real Vince McMahon that we never get to see. 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:30.080 Either way, that was my favorite episode of the six 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.480 So empathy for him felt really sad for him as 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.080 a child. We all know how he turned out to 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.720 be as a as an adult, but going back, I 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.120 didn't know that stuff. So that was intriguing to me. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.120 Can I say? In episode one though, I thought that 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.000 for all the flak he gets when we talk about him, 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:56.200 Hulk Hogan came off amazingly. I thought this was the 0:10:56.240 --> 0:11:00.680 best Hulk Hogan has ever looked on a documentary. I 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:04.200 thought this was the best you know, retelling of stories 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.360 that we've seen him in recent years, uh not you know, 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:11.439 with the embellishments, just retelling you know, things that had 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:15.520 happened with you know, with footage, you know, like they 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.640 showed what happened as he's saying it. I thought Hulk 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.520 Hogan was awesome in episode one because it showed his 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:27.319 trajectory and his growth as well, alongside Vince, and how 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:31.320 Vince plucked him as a replacement for Bob Becklan, who 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.880 was his dad's chosen champion, the good, the all American boy. Well, 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.960 he wanted the larger than life superhero and he had 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.800 Hulk Hogan, whom he had met years before when he 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:43.520 was under Sterling Golden. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.800 There was one, I think one part that I called 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.280 Hogan in a lie and I can't remember off the 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.240 top of my head because everybody else said something different 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.640 than Hogan said, And damn it, I wish I would 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.640 have wrote it down. I just I don't. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.880 If it was followed by Tony Atlas, I automatically will 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.040 say I'm on team Hogan. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.320 Well, let me tell you something about Tony Atlas. I 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:11.800 thought he came off the best. No. I I thought 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.520 Tony was extremely honest with his answers because it seemed 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.360 to me like everyone else was kissing ass they except 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:25.360 for Brett Hart. Brett Hart from episodes past, he does 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:30.319 not care anymore, he's just whatever. But I think Tony 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.640 to me was the straightest of shooters. He told it 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:39.160 like it is if you if you watch every single episode, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.080 there are instances where people give answers and Tony's just 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.319 like this is how it is and blah blah blah 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.360 and and did not agree with the rest of the cast. 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.600 So I thought that Tony came off the best out 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:53.400 of all of them. 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.440 The one, the one instance I guess we could mention 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.320 later on that where he gives he did give his 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:03.080 best answer. Okay, we can hit on that, but that 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.400 was where, you know, when they did play the different people. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.520 I love to see which one you meant, because I 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.520 thought Hogan was great. I thought everything he said was awesome, and. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.280 That saying he wasn't he wasn't, you know, a good 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.800 interview in this. I think there was one thing where 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.360 I said out loud that was bullshit and I can't remember, 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.160 damn it. I should have wrote it down. I can't 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.439 remember what it was because I had heard different. Maybe 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.240 as we're good, maybe as we're recapping it'll pop up 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:29.720 in my head. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.760 What quickly, what did you think about when they went 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:37.480 over the Stossel and the Richard Belzer incidents leading up 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:38.319 to WrestleMania one. 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:43.439 Okay, so John, I remember that happening, and I remember 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:48.040 the slap. I didn't know about like the lawsuit, how 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.079 the lawsuit played out and stuff, but I do remember 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:55.640 that happening Belser. I didn't know that he literally fell 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.480 and hit his head and was bleeding. So that was 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.360 interesting to see because I had no clue that that 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.320 even happens, because again I wasn't into it back then, 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.360 so I I you know, I wouldn't have watched these 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.720 late night shows to see him on there because I 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:15.240 wasn't a fan. But when they showed the clip and 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.240 the blood was on the flour, I was like, holy crap, Yeah, 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:19.560 that's crazy. 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.640 But looking at it, if they looked at it through 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.360 today's eyes, right, if we if that was to happen 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.320 on TV today, I don't think that the WWE would 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:32.280 would lose that case because he takes that fall so 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:37.240 poorly on on a stage a uh you know, a 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.080 stage that's not yeah, like a hard surface that's not 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.920 made for a wrestling fall or you know what I mean. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:45.920 It doesn't know how to take it, so of course 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:46.960 he cracked his skull. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.800 Yeah, but one could argue that they didn't tell him beforehand, 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.120 I'm going to put you in this whatever move and 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.360 you know you should, I mean common sense, like tell 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.600 the guy, are you okay with doing this? Because you know, 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.000 even in today's world, there are so many Karen's out there. 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.480 You you point a finger and they'll oh, my god, 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.280 that person touched me or blah blah blah. If they 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.360 would have went over it before he and said listen, 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.520 I'm gonna put you in this and just pretend to 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.200 sell or whatever however you want to word it, it 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.440 would have been so much better. But I think he 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.680 admittedly said he wasn't aware of what was going to happen. 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.440 And I don't know if if he legit got hurt 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.000 and just fell like I don't know if he was 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:36.000 trying to sell it like it was death. But he 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.320 hid his head. So if Hogan didn't touch him, he 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:40.000 wouldn't have fell. 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:45.880 Yeah, Hogan's book, he tells the whole thing, you know, 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.200 it's it's a great story. It's the full thing, if 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.040 you know, from the beginning of the day, because mister 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.840 t was very weird leading up to that whole interview 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.920 which is why that segment developed the way it did. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.480 So like the full story, which we don't have time 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.960 to cover. Fascinating, fascinating lead up. 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:09.320 Okay, maybe that's a future YouTube. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.320 To watch that whole segment. If we watched the FOSCIL 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.600 incident and that one back to back, that would be 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.280 that would be a great future episode. 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.120 Make a note right now, I will absolutely Okay, all right, 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.760 So the first, like I said, the first episode was 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:25.160 entitled Junior. Now, the second episode, which was a good one, 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.480 was entitled Heat, Yeah, in which they talked about you know, 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.040 getting heat in the wrestling business and all work and 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:36.960 a shoot and what you know what mister McMahon the 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:42.760 character portrayed. And it was funny because was this the 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.640 one that they were just everybody was saying, he's not 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.760 like his character, uh you know, and he said he's 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.920 not like his character. But then everybody's like, it's pretty 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:52.880 close to his character. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.840 And heat I think I think that's how Yeah, because 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:59.240 they were showing they starting to show a lot of 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:00.480 the backstage stuff. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:08.760 Okay, yeah, so they talked about Vince's reputation, the scandals 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.640 you know, in the media and stuff like that, and 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.560 and I found this to be interesting as well. And 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:21.720 it's funny because you know, I could relate to everything 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.080 that Vince said about getting heat from the crowd, and 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.159 it just made me go back and think of like 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.000 things that I wanted to do to get people to 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.760 react to me and and the chance that used to 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.840 come my way. And it was fun to look back 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:43.840 and see him evolve from just this mediocre owner of 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.120 a company walking down the aisle to having that strut 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:51.760 to having that you know, that that voice change, because 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.440 he went from a very somber Vince McMahon to this 0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:01.359 you know monster that was just a megahel And I 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.840 don't know, I gravitate to the heels myself, so I've 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.520 always been a fan of heal mister McMahon. But it 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.240 was fun to see the evolution occur. 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.520 Great foil, he was just a great foil as that 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:18.040 when he first became a heel, and the facial expressions 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.800 and how he would play the dummy, even though you know, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.480 you know, he's his genius business guy at the time 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.280 and where he brought his business to, but to play 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.600 the foil and the dummy, I mean, it was unbelievable 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.040 if you were a longtime fan watching him at the time. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.600 It was like it was it was can't miss television. 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:41.760 So on this episode as well, they talked about covering 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:47.320 up a lot of things. Yes, one one instance was 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:54.639 Jimmy Snooker. His girlfriend Nancy was talked about. It was eluded. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.199 Did Vince make this story go away? You know she 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:02.520 had died? Was it in a hotel room? 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:04.880 Yes, it was, Yes, it was in the hotel room. 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:05.280 Okay. 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:05.919 Uh. 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:10.679 They talked about the ring Boy scandal. Tony Atlas says 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:15.240 he was sexually harassed by Pat Patterson at one point, 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.320 and you know a lot of people jumped on the no, 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.639 we like Pat bandwagon. Pat didn't do anything to me. 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:29.960 So again there's Tony, I think, being real and telling 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.160 it like it is now. You know, I met Pat 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.000 once or twice when I worked there. I never had 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.080 to deal with them, and I'm not a guy, so 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:42.800 I can't you know, I can't tell you that I 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.720 had any problems with him whatsoever. But you hear a 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.920 lot of stories, and I feel like Tony had the 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:55.119 balls to just be like, yeah, he grabbed my He said, pecker, 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:59.320 you grab my pecker? Yeah, you know, And it was 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:05.080 brutally on honest, and I like that about Tony. They 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.639 also talked about Rita Chatterton, the referee. 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.680 Yep, this is where this was the first I think 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:16.679 burial of Vince took place, so documentary. 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.680 Here's what I didn't like about this segment. Vince came 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.320 off so nonchalant about this and was like, while it 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.600 was consensual, which he's admitting it happened. 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:33.719 But all these years fine and not saying it was 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:38.680 forced upon, but saying, well, the statue of limitation round 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:40.320 round out anyway, so you. 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.560 Know, what are you gonna do? And it's kind of 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:48.240 like ew that made me not feel for him anymore, 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.720 and I was just like back to like ew R 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.840 like that, like you can turn it off like a 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.760 light switch. It was like I really like this guy 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:58.840 and now I'm like, oh, I'm back to not liking 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:02.960 this guy. So that for me was like not a 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:03.520 good moment. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:04.840 Uh. 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.280 In my eyes looking at Vince McMann, it was kind 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:12.240 of like, he doesn't give a crap about this woman. 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.639 And you know, even if it did happen, oh, well, 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:18.720 time's up, move on, get over it. 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.639 Can I backtrack to Pat Patterson for one second? 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:25.400 Sure? Uh? 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.320 What did you think about when the producers asked Tony 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:33.240 Atlas if he went to management about the Pat Patterson thing, 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:33.520 and he. 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:40.399 Just one hundred percent on the money. Who First of all, 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.880 you're going to go to the boss and you're you're 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.000 either gonna get fired or you're gonna get punished, So 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.280 why would you even open your mouth? He was one 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:54.840 hundred percent correct. We've seen people in the pants run 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:58.639 to the office and then they're gone or they're punished. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.159 So Tony smart. That's why I love he was so 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:08.800 refreshing in all six episodes because he's just brutally honest 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:14.359 and he didn't care who heard him, and I admire that. 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.440 I like that because when I'm watching it, I don't 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:21.440 want somebody bsing me. I'm watching this to learn more 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:25.520 about certain people, and I just love the way Tony 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:30.200 came off in these segments. But he's one hundred percent correct. 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.600 Yeah, I mean it was great. And everybody that I've 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.239 talked to that is not a wrestling fan that has said, oh, 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.320 have you seen the Vince wick Mann documentary on Netflix 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.320 has asked me about that, and it's like that was 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:46.480 the eye opening part of the documentary. I was like, well, 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:50.080 that's all I've ever heard about wrestling is open your 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.359 mouth and it's going to fall on deafy or so 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:55.760 can't say anything. Yeah, I can't say that. I haven't 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.240 heard that from people that Pat Patterson's done that too, 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:01.320 the boys. 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:05.600 But yeah, oh yeah, I've heard so. I mean countless 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.680 number of stories. But again I wasn't there. We always 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:13.200 say allegedly, so if it happened, you know, but there's 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:28.639 a lot of them out there. Did open up the 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:32.440 stumpisode with them singing that song stand back, Yes, yeah, 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:35.320 we went over and it was hilarious. 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:39.119 And the steroids too, and they handled the steroids. I 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:43.560 thought very well. It showed Vince telling everybody, hey, I 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:48.679 told Haltogan, admit everything, say that you took steroids when 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:50.760 you go on our sinneo and they go, oh did 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:55.280 you take steroids? Yep, right, So that I thought was 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:58.520 was great. And they showed Zaharian, the guy ended up 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:02.240 going to jail for Selless wrestlers. They showed all the 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.600 different clips of him as the licensed doctor for the 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:08.359 state of Pennsylvania in the w w F ring, you know, 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:10.320 from when it was a little bit more accustomed for 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.280 the athletic commission to be ringside during the you know, 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:14.680 the early days. 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:19.159 Right, So that was a good one. The third episode 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:21.040