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Speaker 2: Always on, Dad, Dannie, How you doing. I haven't really
Speaker 2: talked to you in the last couple of weeks. I
Speaker 2: was away posted a video of me, Uh, don't work
Speaker 2: for me and want to say ride, I was on vacation.
Speaker 3: I'm emotionally exhausted, but I'm feeling good.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 3: Well in a good way. Just sports related, but in
Speaker 3: a good way.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well let's let's go mix whatever. We
Speaker 2: are late to the party on this one. But I
Speaker 2: have had so many requests that I finally sat down
Speaker 2: and watched Mister McMahon didn't want to watch it. I
Speaker 2: really was like, I don't really feel like watching it.
Speaker 2: But I will say once I got into it, I
Speaker 2: enjoyed it overall. I will admit that. M Now, there
Speaker 2: are things that bothered me, and there are things that
Speaker 2: made me extremely sad and touched me in a way,
Speaker 2: and well we can go over that. But you you
Speaker 2: saw some of it, you said, and you saw a
Speaker 2: lot of clips.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were I was out. I didn't I had
Speaker 3: no interest at first. I just I was not you know,
Speaker 3: as it was leading up to it, I just I decided.
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, I'm kind of done
Speaker 3: with this. I just I don't want to watch this
Speaker 3: story again. As like kind of early release notes were
Speaker 3: coming out about it. It was just the same stories
Speaker 3: being regurgitated and so on and so forth, and I
Speaker 3: was like, you know what, Chad's gonna kind of dip
Speaker 3: out on this one. I'm not, I'm not in. But
Speaker 3: then I started to see some stuff and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: once I'm out. Of course, it always pulls me back in,
Speaker 3: as it always does. But uh, very curious to see
Speaker 3: your thoughts. So I did. I checked it, I checked
Speaker 3: out what I what I could, and I got a
Speaker 3: good portion of the story.
Speaker 2: Of course. Okay, well, I made it a point to
Speaker 2: sit down and watch all of it. I watched it
Speaker 2: in two nights, and I will say the most interesting
Speaker 2: I guess segment to me or episode was the first one,
Speaker 2: which was, yes, I am not an officionado on Vince McMahon.
Speaker 2: I did not know a lot of his backstory. If
Speaker 2: I did not know Vince McMahon. Now, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: say I really know him as a person, because yes,
Speaker 2: I've worked for him, Yes I have my stories about him,
Speaker 2: but I didn't have a relationship with him. Okay. I
Speaker 2: wasn't friends with him like I was friendly with Paul
Speaker 2: Hayman when I worked with him, close with Paul hamm
Speaker 2: wasn't close to Vince McMahon, okay. But all the stuff
Speaker 2: that we do know about him kind of makes me
Speaker 2: not like him as a person. With that said, if
Speaker 2: I didn't hear of all the allegations and the way
Speaker 2: he treated people and all this stuff, and I saw
Speaker 2: this first episode, I would feel empathy for the man
Speaker 2: because I did not know about his background, with his
Speaker 2: father not knowing him until he was twelve, growing up
Speaker 2: in a trailer park, broke poor, never receiving the love
Speaker 2: and the affection, and just having a dad that wanted
Speaker 2: to be around you. I didn't know any of this,
Speaker 2: so that part touched me. I said to myself, this
Speaker 2: poor guy. I'm not justifying anything that he might have done,
Speaker 2: because it's all allegedly. We always say that here not
Speaker 2: justifying any of it, but seeing this part, there is
Speaker 2: a reason why he is the way he is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying it's you know, acceptable to be
Speaker 2: like that, because, like I kept saying, if you come
Speaker 2: from something like that, you should reverse it and treat
Speaker 2: your children better than the way you were treating. Like
Speaker 2: I'm saying this out loud, I'm telling my husband, I'm
Speaker 2: thinking it, you know. But there is a route to
Speaker 2: where this all stems from the way he is, the behavior,
Speaker 2: the I mean, how can it not affect you?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: So, this to me was the most interesting segment of
Speaker 2: the six going forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved it. I love that whole episode. I
Speaker 3: knew a lot of the story from over the years
Speaker 3: and reading interviews with Vince and some of the media
Speaker 3: that he has done. It's weird that he says, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't like talking about myself, and you know, I
Speaker 3: don't like doing these interviews, and I don't really do
Speaker 3: these interviews. He's done a fair share over the years,
Speaker 3: and he has told some of these stories, so this
Speaker 3: was just more of an elaborate telling of them right
Speaker 3: on this first episode. But to see him get emotional
Speaker 3: over his father telling him one time he said that
Speaker 3: he loved him, and it was the day before he
Speaker 3: passed away. To see Vince McMahon tear up, pink eyed
Speaker 3: and everything. That was like wow. That to me, that
Speaker 3: was the first shocker of the series, was the Vince
Speaker 3: McMahon tear welling because all he wanted to do was
Speaker 3: prove to his dad that he could put the business
Speaker 3: where he wanted it. And it was like he was
Speaker 3: against all odds, you know, and his dad finally saw
Speaker 3: what he his vision was. But towards the end, towards
Speaker 3: the very end.
Speaker 2: To me, he came off in this first episode. He
Speaker 2: came off as child blake. His speech wasn't that confident
Speaker 2: mister McMahon. To me, he was a little more timid.
Speaker 2: It looked like he was uncomfortable at times with sharing
Speaker 2: that information, even though you said he you know, talked
Speaker 2: about and then the past or whatever. This was a
Speaker 2: side of Vince that I had never seen before. And
Speaker 2: I mean, as sad as it was, it was also
Speaker 2: refreshing because you say to yourself, ah, you know, the
Speaker 2: guy does have a heart. He is a caring human
Speaker 2: being in some aspects, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 2: hear all this horrible, horrible stuff about him, and then
Speaker 2: you watch this first episode and I just in a way,
Speaker 2: I felt bad for him. I felt bad for that
Speaker 2: little boy, not so much the adult Vince. I felt
Speaker 2: bad for the child, Vince, because no child should have to,
Speaker 2: you know, beg for love from their parents. Horrible. I
Speaker 2: tell my kids I love them fifty million times a day,
Speaker 2: and it never gets old for me. I never, I
Speaker 2: will never not accept a hug or a kiss or
Speaker 2: a snuggle like I love that kind of stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: And I know everybody's different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And even in buying the company from him, I mean,
Speaker 3: they're expecting him to fail, right, he purchases his business
Speaker 3: and the deal is, hey, you miss the payment, and
Speaker 3: the company goes back to me. He's saying they're expecting
Speaker 3: him to fail the whole time. So and Linda used
Speaker 3: the analogy of robbing Peter to pay Paul that they
Speaker 3: were basically just using the funds that were coming in
Speaker 3: from the shows to make the payments on the business,
Speaker 3: and you know they would eventually lead up to starting
Speaker 3: to make the money. But you know, they were expecting
Speaker 3: him not to move on, and he kind of pried
Speaker 3: the business away from Guerrilla Monsoon, which again, you know
Speaker 3: I've heard that over the years. They showed his trajectory
Speaker 3: from the announcer who he stepped in when they needed him,
Speaker 3: and they said he wasn't very good as an announcer,
Speaker 3: but he had some presents and you know, he could
Speaker 3: kind of tell the stories. They didn't have faith in
Speaker 3: him as the owner, and they thought he was gonna
Speaker 3: fail and not make the payments, and just very it was.
Speaker 3: You were right that he didn't have that same mister
Speaker 3: McMahon confidence in Aura as he.
Speaker 2: He didn't have his swag on. He was very timid
Speaker 2: to me when he was speaking. And when they showed him,
Speaker 2: you know, doing the commentary and stuff, I guess those
Speaker 2: were later episodes or later broadcast because I thought he
Speaker 2: did really well and I always.
Speaker 3: Loved him in the commentation.
Speaker 2: From what they showed, you know they did. I don't
Speaker 2: know if they showed his very first you know, try it,
Speaker 2: or if the father just pushed him into it and
Speaker 2: he had to know moves and backgrounds. I mean, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: If he didn't have an ear piece in his ear
Speaker 2: and then just go on the fly, that's not an
Speaker 2: easy thing to do, you know, So I give him
Speaker 2: credit for just jumping in and later on we see
Speaker 2: that Shane pretty much did the same thing. He was
Speaker 2: the referee, the announcer, he was this, he was that,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So they're paying their dues and I
Speaker 2: love that, but it just was to me, it was heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: He just looked so uncomfortable speaking about his past. And
Speaker 2: I you know, he's a great actor. We all know this,
Speaker 2: So is he doing this to get sympathy or was
Speaker 2: that the real Vince McMahon that we never get to see.
Speaker 2: Either way, that was my favorite episode of the six
Speaker 2: So empathy for him felt really sad for him as
Speaker 2: a child. We all know how he turned out to
Speaker 2: be as a as an adult, but going back, I
Speaker 2: didn't know that stuff. So that was intriguing to me.
Speaker 3: Can I say? In episode one though, I thought that
Speaker 3: for all the flak he gets when we talk about him,
Speaker 3: Hulk Hogan came off amazingly. I thought this was the
Speaker 3: best Hulk Hogan has ever looked on a documentary. I
Speaker 3: thought this was the best you know, retelling of stories
Speaker 3: that we've seen him in recent years, uh not you know,
Speaker 3: with the embellishments, just retelling you know, things that had
Speaker 3: happened with you know, with footage, you know, like they
Speaker 3: showed what happened as he's saying it. I thought Hulk
Speaker 3: Hogan was awesome in episode one because it showed his
Speaker 3: trajectory and his growth as well, alongside Vince, and how
Speaker 3: Vince plucked him as a replacement for Bob Becklan, who
Speaker 3: was his dad's chosen champion, the good, the all American boy. Well,
Speaker 3: he wanted the larger than life superhero and he had
Speaker 3: Hulk Hogan, whom he had met years before when he
Speaker 3: was under Sterling Golden.
Speaker 2: There was one, I think one part that I called
Speaker 2: Hogan in a lie and I can't remember off the
Speaker 2: top of my head because everybody else said something different
Speaker 2: than Hogan said, And damn it, I wish I would
Speaker 2: have wrote it down. I just I don't.
Speaker 3: If it was followed by Tony Atlas, I automatically will
Speaker 3: say I'm on team Hogan.
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you something about Tony Atlas. I
Speaker 2: thought he came off the best. No. I I thought
Speaker 2: Tony was extremely honest with his answers because it seemed
Speaker 2: to me like everyone else was kissing ass they except
Speaker 2: for Brett Hart. Brett Hart from episodes past, he does
Speaker 2: not care anymore, he's just whatever. But I think Tony
Speaker 2: to me was the straightest of shooters. He told it
Speaker 2: like it is if you if you watch every single episode,
Speaker 2: there are instances where people give answers and Tony's just
Speaker 2: like this is how it is and blah blah blah
Speaker 2: and and did not agree with the rest of the cast.
Speaker 2: So I thought that Tony came off the best out
Speaker 2: of all of them.
Speaker 3: The one, the one instance I guess we could mention
Speaker 3: later on that where he gives he did give his
Speaker 3: best answer. Okay, we can hit on that, but that
Speaker 3: was where, you know, when they did play the different people.
Speaker 3: I love to see which one you meant, because I
Speaker 3: thought Hogan was great. I thought everything he said was awesome, and.
Speaker 2: That saying he wasn't he wasn't, you know, a good
Speaker 2: interview in this. I think there was one thing where
Speaker 2: I said out loud that was bullshit and I can't remember,
Speaker 2: damn it. I should have wrote it down. I can't
Speaker 2: remember what it was because I had heard different. Maybe
Speaker 2: as we're good, maybe as we're recapping it'll pop up
Speaker 2: in my head.
Speaker 3: What quickly, what did you think about when they went
Speaker 3: over the Stossel and the Richard Belzer incidents leading up
Speaker 3: to WrestleMania one.
Speaker 2: Okay, so John, I remember that happening, and I remember
Speaker 2: the slap. I didn't know about like the lawsuit, how
Speaker 2: the lawsuit played out and stuff, but I do remember
Speaker 2: that happening Belser. I didn't know that he literally fell
Speaker 2: and hit his head and was bleeding. So that was
Speaker 2: interesting to see because I had no clue that that
Speaker 2: even happens, because again I wasn't into it back then,
Speaker 2: so I I you know, I wouldn't have watched these
Speaker 2: late night shows to see him on there because I
Speaker 2: wasn't a fan. But when they showed the clip and
Speaker 2: the blood was on the flour, I was like, holy crap, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's crazy.
Speaker 3: But looking at it, if they looked at it through
Speaker 3: today's eyes, right, if we if that was to happen
Speaker 3: on TV today, I don't think that the WWE would
Speaker 3: would lose that case because he takes that fall so
Speaker 3: poorly on on a stage a uh you know, a
Speaker 3: stage that's not yeah, like a hard surface that's not
Speaker 3: made for a wrestling fall or you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It doesn't know how to take it, so of course
Speaker 3: he cracked his skull.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but one could argue that they didn't tell him beforehand,
Speaker 2: I'm going to put you in this whatever move and
Speaker 2: you know you should, I mean common sense, like tell
Speaker 2: the guy, are you okay with doing this? Because you know,
Speaker 2: even in today's world, there are so many Karen's out there.
Speaker 2: You you point a finger and they'll oh, my god,
Speaker 2: that person touched me or blah blah blah. If they
Speaker 2: would have went over it before he and said listen,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you in this and just pretend to
Speaker 2: sell or whatever however you want to word it, it
Speaker 2: would have been so much better. But I think he
Speaker 2: admittedly said he wasn't aware of what was going to happen.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if if he legit got hurt
Speaker 2: and just fell like I don't know if he was
Speaker 2: trying to sell it like it was death. But he
Speaker 2: hid his head. So if Hogan didn't touch him, he
Speaker 2: wouldn't have fell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hogan's book, he tells the whole thing, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's a great story. It's the full thing, if
Speaker 3: you know, from the beginning of the day, because mister
Speaker 3: t was very weird leading up to that whole interview
Speaker 3: which is why that segment developed the way it did.
Speaker 3: So like the full story, which we don't have time
Speaker 3: to cover. Fascinating, fascinating lead up.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe that's a future YouTube.
Speaker 3: To watch that whole segment. If we watched the FOSCIL
Speaker 3: incident and that one back to back, that would be
Speaker 3: that would be a great future episode.
Speaker 2: Make a note right now, I will absolutely Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: So the first, like I said, the first episode was
Speaker 2: entitled Junior. Now, the second episode, which was a good one,
Speaker 2: was entitled Heat, Yeah, in which they talked about you know,
Speaker 2: getting heat in the wrestling business and all work and
Speaker 2: a shoot and what you know what mister McMahon the
Speaker 2: character portrayed. And it was funny because was this the
Speaker 2: one that they were just everybody was saying, he's not
Speaker 2: like his character, uh you know, and he said he's
Speaker 2: not like his character. But then everybody's like, it's pretty
Speaker 2: close to his character.
Speaker 3: And heat I think I think that's how Yeah, because
Speaker 3: they were showing they starting to show a lot of
Speaker 3: the backstage stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so they talked about Vince's reputation, the scandals
Speaker 2: you know, in the media and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: and I found this to be interesting as well. And
Speaker 2: it's funny because you know, I could relate to everything
Speaker 2: that Vince said about getting heat from the crowd, and
Speaker 2: it just made me go back and think of like
Speaker 2: things that I wanted to do to get people to
Speaker 2: react to me and and the chance that used to
Speaker 2: come my way. And it was fun to look back
Speaker 2: and see him evolve from just this mediocre owner of
Speaker 2: a company walking down the aisle to having that strut
Speaker 2: to having that you know, that that voice change, because
Speaker 2: he went from a very somber Vince McMahon to this
Speaker 2: you know monster that was just a megahel And I
Speaker 2: don't know, I gravitate to the heels myself, so I've
Speaker 2: always been a fan of heal mister McMahon. But it
Speaker 2: was fun to see the evolution occur.
Speaker 3: Great foil, he was just a great foil as that
Speaker 3: when he first became a heel, and the facial expressions
Speaker 3: and how he would play the dummy, even though you know,
Speaker 3: you know, he's his genius business guy at the time
Speaker 3: and where he brought his business to, but to play
Speaker 3: the foil and the dummy, I mean, it was unbelievable
Speaker 3: if you were a longtime fan watching him at the time.
Speaker 3: It was like it was it was can't miss television.
Speaker 2: So on this episode as well, they talked about covering
Speaker 2: up a lot of things. Yes, one one instance was
Speaker 2: Jimmy Snooker. His girlfriend Nancy was talked about. It was eluded.
Speaker 2: Did Vince make this story go away? You know she
Speaker 2: had died? Was it in a hotel room?
Speaker 3: Yes, it was, Yes, it was in the hotel room.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: They talked about the ring Boy scandal. Tony Atlas says
Speaker 2: he was sexually harassed by Pat Patterson at one point,
Speaker 2: and you know a lot of people jumped on the no,
Speaker 2: we like Pat bandwagon. Pat didn't do anything to me.
Speaker 2: So again there's Tony, I think, being real and telling
Speaker 2: it like it is now. You know, I met Pat
Speaker 2: once or twice when I worked there. I never had
Speaker 2: to deal with them, and I'm not a guy, so
Speaker 2: I can't you know, I can't tell you that I
Speaker 2: had any problems with him whatsoever. But you hear a
Speaker 2: lot of stories, and I feel like Tony had the
Speaker 2: balls to just be like, yeah, he grabbed my He said, pecker,
Speaker 2: you grab my pecker? Yeah, you know, And it was
Speaker 2: brutally on honest, and I like that about Tony. They
Speaker 2: also talked about Rita Chatterton, the referee.
Speaker 3: Yep, this is where this was the first I think
Speaker 3: burial of Vince took place, so documentary.
Speaker 2: Here's what I didn't like about this segment. Vince came
Speaker 2: off so nonchalant about this and was like, while it
Speaker 2: was consensual, which he's admitting it happened.
Speaker 5: But all these years fine and not saying it was
Speaker 5: forced upon, but saying, well, the statue of limitation round
Speaker 5: round out anyway, so you.
Speaker 2: Know, what are you gonna do? And it's kind of
Speaker 2: like ew that made me not feel for him anymore,
Speaker 2: and I was just like back to like ew R
Speaker 2: like that, like you can turn it off like a
Speaker 2: light switch. It was like I really like this guy
Speaker 2: and now I'm like, oh, I'm back to not liking
Speaker 2: this guy. So that for me was like not a
Speaker 2: good moment.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: In my eyes looking at Vince McMann, it was kind
Speaker 2: of like, he doesn't give a crap about this woman.
Speaker 2: And you know, even if it did happen, oh, well,
Speaker 2: time's up, move on, get over it.
Speaker 3: Can I backtrack to Pat Patterson for one second?
Speaker 2: Sure? Uh?
Speaker 3: What did you think about when the producers asked Tony
Speaker 3: Atlas if he went to management about the Pat Patterson thing,
Speaker 3: and he.
Speaker 2: Just one hundred percent on the money. Who First of all,
Speaker 2: you're going to go to the boss and you're you're
Speaker 2: either gonna get fired or you're gonna get punished, So
Speaker 2: why would you even open your mouth? He was one
Speaker 2: hundred percent correct. We've seen people in the pants run
Speaker 2: to the office and then they're gone or they're punished.
Speaker 2: So Tony smart. That's why I love he was so
Speaker 2: refreshing in all six episodes because he's just brutally honest
Speaker 2: and he didn't care who heard him, and I admire that.
Speaker 2: I like that because when I'm watching it, I don't
Speaker 2: want somebody bsing me. I'm watching this to learn more
Speaker 2: about certain people, and I just love the way Tony
Speaker 2: came off in these segments. But he's one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was great. And everybody that I've
Speaker 3: talked to that is not a wrestling fan that has said, oh,
Speaker 3: have you seen the Vince wick Mann documentary on Netflix
Speaker 3: has asked me about that, and it's like that was
Speaker 3: the eye opening part of the documentary. I was like, well,
Speaker 3: that's all I've ever heard about wrestling is open your
Speaker 3: mouth and it's going to fall on deafy or so
Speaker 3: can't say anything. Yeah, I can't say that. I haven't
Speaker 3: heard that from people that Pat Patterson's done that too,
Speaker 3: the boys.
Speaker 2: But yeah, oh yeah, I've heard so. I mean countless
Speaker 2: number of stories. But again I wasn't there. We always
Speaker 2: say allegedly, so if it happened, you know, but there's
Speaker 2: a lot of them out there. Did open up the
Speaker 2: stumpisode with them singing that song stand back, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: we went over and it was hilarious.
Speaker 3: And the steroids too, and they handled the steroids. I
Speaker 3: thought very well. It showed Vince telling everybody, hey, I
Speaker 3: told Haltogan, admit everything, say that you took steroids when
Speaker 3: you go on our sinneo and they go, oh did
Speaker 3: you take steroids? Yep, right, So that I thought was
Speaker 3: was great. And they showed Zaharian, the guy ended up
Speaker 3: going to jail for Selless wrestlers. They showed all the
Speaker 3: different clips of him as the licensed doctor for the
Speaker 3: state of Pennsylvania in the w w F ring, you know,
Speaker 3: from when it was a little bit more accustomed for
Speaker 3: the athletic commission to be ringside during the you know,
Speaker 3: the early days.
Speaker 2: Right, So that was a good one. The third episode
Speaker 2: was called Screwjob.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is this is where, like I said,
Speaker 3: I wasn't interested in this stuff, but I saw the
Speaker 3: clips of all this.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I was interested in this because hearing the
Speaker 2: story about Let's see, well, first they started the Windy
Speaker 2: Richer thing, which I didn't know about. Yeah, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I understand that back in the day, and I don't
Speaker 2: know how much they did of it in w w
Speaker 2: F at the time. I know the territories, like the
Speaker 2: heels would be on one side of the lot of
Speaker 2: the dressing area and baby faces would be in another room,
Speaker 2: and they really didn't get to talk much and this
Speaker 2: and that. But you know, as I'm watching this, I'm
Speaker 2: saying to myself, back then, did they just call everything
Speaker 2: in the ring? Was there no communication or is everybody
Speaker 2: just lying to everybody? You know what I mean? Because
Speaker 2: not wanting to do a job, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 2: a tough one, because I'm sure that people have their
Speaker 2: reasons why. I mean, I've dealt with it in EC
Speaker 2: not me, because I wasn't wrestling, But I've worked with
Speaker 2: guys that blatantly did not want to do the job
Speaker 2: to certain people. And we're not going to get into
Speaker 2: that because that's a whole mother ballgame. But like in
Speaker 2: Wendy's case, I didn't really like I didn't know the story.
Speaker 2: I don't know her. I don't know much about her, So, like,
Speaker 2: do you know any backstory to this that they might
Speaker 2: have not covered?
Speaker 3: Now they covered it pretty pretty perfectly.
Speaker 2: Did you watch this?
Speaker 3: I saw this? Yeah, I saw this segment. Now they
Speaker 3: covered it well. I was surprised that they did cover it,
Speaker 3: to be honest with that. This was one I was
Speaker 3: shocked about.
Speaker 2: She just didn't want to drop the title?
Speaker 3: No, No, didn't want to drop belt?
Speaker 2: Was it? Now? Was it a certain person was presented
Speaker 2: that she didn't want to drop it too? Or did
Speaker 2: she just think she should be champed forever? Like that's
Speaker 2: what I'd even get? Was it the person? Because she
Speaker 2: ended up working with Moolah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Was there beef between those two?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well of course, And I think it was to
Speaker 3: Mula number one and Moula. It was almost positive Mula
Speaker 3: is the one that broke her in.
Speaker 2: So but that's what I'm saying, is there a backstory?
Speaker 2: Because we know Mula's story and allegedly her sexual prowler
Speaker 2: with the women and stuff. Was there a backstory with
Speaker 2: her Windy I wasn't mentioned here, and that is that
Speaker 2: why she didn't want to drop the belt to her?
Speaker 2: Like I was trying to read between the lines a little.
Speaker 3: Bit, and I yeah, I think she's a part of
Speaker 3: Mulla or was in Mula's camp. Perhaps, I don't think.
Speaker 3: I'm almost pause. I think that could be on the
Speaker 3: dark side.
Speaker 2: I just okay, send me a little bit looming there.
Speaker 3: But if you're Wendy Richter in nineteen eighty five and
Speaker 3: everybody's making money hand over fist and you're the champion,
Speaker 3: why you you don't want to lose the belt. Hogan's
Speaker 3: not losing the belt. You know, Hogan and Piper are
Speaker 3: going back and forth, and Piper till the day he died.
Speaker 3: That was the argument. You know, if Hogan just dropped
Speaker 3: the belt to Piper and they they swapped it back
Speaker 3: and forth, maybe the business even goes further, right, the
Speaker 3: money just keeps going up. Well, she doesn't want to
Speaker 3: drop the belt because that was what it was all about.
Speaker 3: The champ makes the most money. I know that was
Speaker 3: her feeling. But yeah, her Mula, you know, was a
Speaker 3: tried and true soldier of the of that McMahon guard.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna put the belt on Mulla because everybody
Speaker 3: knows Mulla. Mula was in the cartoon, just like Wendy
Speaker 3: Richter was. So we'll trade the belt back and forth
Speaker 3: with Wendy Richter and Mula. I don't know how, you know,
Speaker 3: Spider Lady, you know, right, tell Mulla, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 3: they got the belt, they got her.
Speaker 2: Well, she looked like she was gonna shit her pants.
Speaker 2: It was like what just happened? Was pissed And I've
Speaker 2: never seen that.
Speaker 3: That's a great clip.
Speaker 2: Again. For me, that was like something cool because I'm
Speaker 2: expecting to know everything going into this doc and I
Speaker 2: I never saw that part, so that was pretty cool
Speaker 2: to see.
Speaker 3: And hearing Vince talk about it for me is cool
Speaker 3: because his old school fan. I don't I'd love to
Speaker 3: hear him talk about that because you think he forgets
Speaker 3: this ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he came off as kind of not even
Speaker 2: caring about Wendy, like not even and her over you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like didn't even give her any
Speaker 2: accolades or any like, you know, like it was like
Speaker 2: she was disposable. And I know we're all disposable in
Speaker 2: this business. I get it, but there's certain people that
Speaker 2: you praise and say, wow, what a great work and
Speaker 2: what a great person. And he was just kind of like, Eh,
Speaker 2: you didn't even like, really say much about her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think she's been very favorable to him.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, then then there's a backstory.
Speaker 3: She was one of the people that, you know, like
Speaker 3: I always said, I didn't think they were gonna pad
Speaker 3: this with the people that you know, don't really like Vince,
Speaker 3: you know, the David schultzs and the nails is that
Speaker 3: you can say nails is of the world. So she
Speaker 3: was one of the names that, you know, I was
Speaker 3: surprised to see because I did. She wasn't one of
Speaker 3: the ones that they promoted. Yeah, so I knew she
Speaker 3: wouldn't really say that much in the positive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know. It was interesting. Nonetheless, they
Speaker 2: also start to talk about WCW and how they became
Speaker 2: their top rival. One of the major competitors starts talking
Speaker 2: about Ted Turner and they show clips of Ted and
Speaker 2: Jane Fonda and you know WCW as a program, they
Speaker 2: told a lot of stories about wrestlers jumping ship and
Speaker 2: going to WCW, and Vince even explaining, yeah, they went
Speaker 2: there because they had more money at the time. You know,
Speaker 2: he couldn't compete with their bank roll. Here's Ted who's
Speaker 2: a billionaire, and he's got very deep pockets and he's
Speaker 2: picking them off one by one, and here everybody's jumping ship.
Speaker 2: So and I knew this. This is one of the
Speaker 2: things that I've seen a million times, but it was
Speaker 2: still cool to watch. So, you know, Vince a little humble.
Speaker 2: I would think in this segment becau because he knows
Speaker 2: he can't compete with ten Turner's money. Right, you wouldn't
Speaker 2: see that now because you know, he's like the biggest
Speaker 2: game in town. But then it wasn't that case. And
Speaker 2: they also start covering Bischoff, which we get our first
Speaker 2: taste of. And I loved seeing Bischoff do the interview
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety and try to I didn't know that
Speaker 2: there's another bibit I didn't see and I had ago
Speaker 2: I don't remember you saying that. But it's funny, is
Speaker 2: you're a hatred for Vince McMahon or you're you know,
Speaker 2: your competitiveness because they didn't give you that job. It's
Speaker 2: like no, but it was. It was funny to see
Speaker 2: him try to get a job there, and my goodness,
Speaker 2: if he did work there, how different things would have been. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how crazy because I'm assuming he would have you know,
Speaker 2: went up the ladder in in the WWF and maybe
Speaker 2: we could have saw the nWo in WWF possibly, you know.
Speaker 3: Uh. There was also the Billionaire Ted.
Speaker 2: And oh the goofy segments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and getting to see Ted Turner you know, love
Speaker 3: it see And I mean that's another thing I never
Speaker 3: would have imagined that, Yeah, he loved the billionaires like
Speaker 3: a hyena.
Speaker 2: It's like, what a good sense of humor this guy.
Speaker 3: It's awesome.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was pretty cool to see. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: talked about the NWOL a lot, and then they they
Speaker 2: ended with the Montreal Screwjob, which now I have always
Speaker 2: heard stories about this, but I've always heard them second, third,
Speaker 2: fourth hand. I've never really watched an interview from Brett
Speaker 2: Hart about it. So for me, this was cool to
Speaker 2: see because I was like, Okay, is there something that
Speaker 2: I didn't know about it, and I didn't know. I
Speaker 2: always heard he punched him, but I didn't know how
Speaker 2: it came to be at the end with Vince saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: I gotta go in there. I know I'm gonna get punched,
Speaker 2: like in other words, I deserve it. The spitting on
Speaker 2: Vince's face, the writing of w c W in the air,
Speaker 2: I never saw that. Okay, so you know, I always
Speaker 2: saw a clip of the you know, Earl doing the
Speaker 2: fast count or whatever, and then the chaos, but I
Speaker 2: never saw the fighting at ringside. I never saw bred
Speaker 2: at ringside. So this to me was cool to see
Speaker 2: because I've heard so much about it. And then to
Speaker 2: hear afterwards, you know, how the the punch actually came about,
Speaker 2: and to see Vince's eye, I was just like wow,
Speaker 2: Like you think Vince would have just high tailed it
Speaker 2: into like another atmosphere at this point. No, he went
Speaker 2: up to him and was just like, let's go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Not many men, I don't think would do that. A
Speaker 2: lot of men would run away. Vin's had some balls
Speaker 2: to take that shit.
Speaker 3: Scat balls, just eyes of grapefruits money. I always said that.
Speaker 3: Then I'd recommend you watch wrestling with shadows as you
Speaker 3: catch up on things that you never saw before, because
Speaker 3: that's the documentary that they used footage from, you know,
Speaker 3: to kind of show us some of the stuff that
Speaker 3: was it. I mean that's the whole thing. I mean,
Speaker 3: they had the cameras there amazing that showed us everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just was like, wow, that's pretty cool. But
Speaker 2: you know, for me it was something new. So I
Speaker 2: don't know. But now we're getting into episode four, Uh,
Speaker 2: this is about the Attitude error. So it started. This
Speaker 2: is when he actually transitions into Mickster McMahon and they
Speaker 2: start to talk about who he liked as a child
Speaker 2: growing up, and his favorite wrestler was doctor Jerry Graham. Yep,
Speaker 2: I didn't even know who he was, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you, and how he emulated some of his traits
Speaker 2: into his character to become mister McMahon. So that was
Speaker 2: interesting to me because I never knew that, never heard
Speaker 2: of it. Talked about the attitude era that I can remember,
Speaker 2: and I really liked watching Undertakers take of things. I
Speaker 2: thought he was honest, not as honest as Tony Atlas,
Speaker 2: but I thought it was refreshing to see on it.
Speaker 2: And I never really came across the Undertaker too much,
Speaker 2: but when I did very nice and that was few
Speaker 2: and far between times, but he was always a very
Speaker 2: nice gentleman. You start to see Paul Hayman a lot
Speaker 2: in this episode, and I turned to my husband and
Speaker 2: I said, Paul is one of the most eloquent speakers
Speaker 2: that I have ever heard. Everything that comes out of
Speaker 2: that man's mouth is like a promo. It's just like, no, no, pauses,
Speaker 2: He's not reading a script. I don't think. I think
Speaker 2: this is just out of that brain, which is brilliant,
Speaker 2: and he's just going off and giving thoughts and I'm
Speaker 2: just looking at him and I'm like, wow, what a talker.
Speaker 2: To this day, he still has the capacity and the
Speaker 2: just he can just he's mesmerizing. When he speaks. It's eloquent.
Speaker 2: It's the sky is blue, the grass is green. No,
Speaker 2: the sky is green, the grass is blue. Oh right, Paul.
Speaker 2: Anything he says, you're like, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5: He is.
Speaker 2: A hypnotist. I don't know what else to say. And
Speaker 2: I'm not taking the kool aid. I'm not listen. I
Speaker 2: know him, I'm looking for it. No, he's just he's
Speaker 2: a phenomenal speak He should be like a speed a
Speaker 2: public speaker, like a promotional speaker, like go to schools
Speaker 2: or do after this is done. He's got the gift
Speaker 2: of gab man and that's why he's in the position
Speaker 2: that he's in. He is one of the greatest talkers
Speaker 2: in this industry, bar none, whether it's a script of
Speaker 2: promo or thoughts off the top of his head. That
Speaker 2: man can talk. I just had to put that over
Speaker 2: because I haven't seen him talk in a minute, and
Speaker 2: by god, he was just and I was just like,
Speaker 2: is this off the fly? Did he make notes? Because
Speaker 2: if he didn't, he's just brilliant.
Speaker 3: Come on, let me make this point about it. I
Speaker 3: actually felt he was the guy who came off the
Speaker 3: most his character on this. I thought he was more
Speaker 3: like Paul Hayman, the on screen character than anybody else
Speaker 3: who was on the show or at a documentary. All
Speaker 3: the interviews, I thought, we've got more of the wise
Speaker 3: man Paul Hayman than we did Paul Hayman, the Paul Hayman.
Speaker 3: But again, maybe that's just me looking a little too much.
Speaker 2: Well, I can say this, you don't know Paul personally.
Speaker 3: But that's this is what I'm about.
Speaker 2: To say, this is how Paul will speak, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, this is Paul I don't know,
Speaker 2: Like I can see similarities between Paul the person and
Speaker 2: Paul the character, just like they were talking about Vince,
Speaker 2: are you that character? And Vince saying I don't think
Speaker 2: I'm that character, and everybody's saying, yes, you are. He's
Speaker 2: exactly that character. I see Paul Hayman as I see
Speaker 2: the Wise Man or whatever the hell they call him
Speaker 2: like that. He's always like spoke, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: When he talks to you, it is very intense and
Speaker 2: it is very deep, and he leans over and he
Speaker 2: looks into your eyes and he has this sense of
Speaker 2: control over you and you're just looking at him like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's amazing. I'm not gonna say what
Speaker 2: power he has over people, but he is such a
Speaker 2: good speaker, he's well versed that you're just gonna take
Speaker 2: in everything that he says and you're gonna question yourself
Speaker 2: at one point. That's what Paul does. I'm not the
Speaker 2: only one who says this about him. Everybody says this
Speaker 2: about him. A lot of people will say he's a bullshitter,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like you have those people
Speaker 2: who are not Paul Haman, guys who don't like Paul Haman.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and trash Paul. I've never
Speaker 2: trashed Paul because guess what, I wouldn't be sitting here
Speaker 2: without Paul. All I'm saying is he has the power
Speaker 2: of the gift of gad to just convince you of
Speaker 2: not even doing things that you don't want to do,
Speaker 2: but just convince you, yes, you are a good worker,
Speaker 2: and here's why, and giving you this, that and the
Speaker 2: other thing, you know what I mean. Like he's just
Speaker 2: he's a good talker. And he came off brilliantly. Every
Speaker 2: time he opened his mouth, he just did I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm not drinking late. I'm not kissing his ass. It's
Speaker 2: just watching this, I don't know performance, if you will.
Speaker 2: I just thought he came off very well again, not
Speaker 2: Tony Atlas, refreshingly, you know, he came off company to me,
Speaker 2: like a company guy. But he just was eloquent and
Speaker 2: he made so much sense with what he said.
Speaker 3: Yeah makes sense. Not again, And I just felt like
Speaker 3: it was a performance and it was over the top
Speaker 3: sound trying to be too much like the character. But
Speaker 3: again you made the point that I was going to say,
Speaker 3: I don't know the man, and that could be how
Speaker 3: exactly how he is, And times when we have seen
Speaker 3: him where the curtains supposed to be down, like in
Speaker 3: beyond the Mat, sounded like how he was, and beyond
Speaker 3: the mat when they were interviewing him. Right, that's the
Speaker 3: only thing I can really see where all right, this
Speaker 3: wasn't him. When they released the DVD documentary on him
Speaker 3: sounded the same. So I mean, look again, I just
Speaker 3: felt he was the most in character because Haul Cogan
Speaker 3: wasn't on there going like, let me tell you something,
Speaker 3: brother about nineteen eighty five. Right, you know it wasn't that.
Speaker 3: But you know, we can obviously go into a little
Speaker 3: bit more as we start to get deeper in because
Speaker 3: we're not done.
Speaker 2: But no, no, there was a lot to cover. In
Speaker 2: episode four, they talk about ECW, They talk about Steve Austin,
Speaker 2: the evolution of Steve Austin and how he you know,
Speaker 2: came the e c W and Paul knew he wasn't
Speaker 2: going to be here for a long time, but man,
Speaker 2: was he going to utilize him as much as he could.
Speaker 2: And we saw some clips of him and Mike.
Speaker 3: He do you ever think when he stepped on your
Speaker 3: white shoes that those clips would be used later?
Speaker 2: For those who don't know, I had bought new sneakers
Speaker 2: that were pure white, and Steve King stood next to
Speaker 2: me in front of the monitor, and I don't know
Speaker 2: how we I must have said, hey, do you like
Speaker 2: my new shoes? And I said, don't scuff him? And
Speaker 2: he stepped on them one purpose and started laughing. So
Speaker 2: that was mine.
Speaker 3: I had to bring that up.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Steve Austin wasn't hateful or malicious, just being you know,
Speaker 2: just being Steve. But anyway, continue, Yeah, so we see Steve,
Speaker 2: We see uh, Stephen Mikey in the ring. Then we
Speaker 2: see him emerging a stone called Steve Austin the impact
Speaker 2: he hadn't do? W e their fans They showed Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2: And the funny part about this was Stephanie Mann saying,
Speaker 2: oh was he? I?
Speaker 3: I don't want to use the word, but I don't
Speaker 3: even know what to say anymore. I don't know something
Speaker 3: that wasn't against against somebody's will.
Speaker 2: Something against the woman. And apparently like if you hire someone,
Speaker 2: shouldn't you know their background?
Speaker 3: It was pretty well publicized all the time.
Speaker 2: Did she not know which I you know, I just
Speaker 2: laughed at that. I was like, okay. This is where
Speaker 2: Vince starts saying that it bothers him that people think
Speaker 2: he's like his character. So then you get Bischoff, Bischoff
Speaker 2: saying that he was mister McMahon before mister McMahon was
Speaker 2: mister McMahon, that mister McMahon bit the character from Eric
Speaker 2: Bischoff because Eric was the boss, you know, and he
Speaker 2: did it it. Vince McMahon did it better, but he
Speaker 2: did it first, and then Vince goes, okay, so I
Speaker 2: did it better, and that was that.
Speaker 3: It's like draw you know, great, it's a great Uh,
Speaker 3: He's not wrong, I mean was Bischoff was awesome when
Speaker 3: he first turned He Yeah, he was great, especially because
Speaker 3: he was this little runt with these big guys, you know,
Speaker 3: and try and look he was the executive trying to
Speaker 3: fit in with this cool group. He was awesome.
Speaker 2: At the nWo Yep, yep, the rock comes into the
Speaker 2: picture starts. Uh. They start to cover his entrance into
Speaker 2: the business. The go over his family legacy. Shawn Michaels
Speaker 2: talks about how women were portrayed not good, not being portrayed.
Speaker 2: And there's a million stories about Shawn Michaels and women.
Speaker 2: But you know, as he states, I was a prickback then.
Speaker 2: We I mean, you know, take that as as you will.
Speaker 2: But the women portrayed in the Attitude era, you know,
Speaker 2: not really good. And I think I think I was
Speaker 2: in one clip in this when they showed I didn't
Speaker 2: when they showed you, and I'm pretty sure it was
Speaker 2: just yeah, it was just me being pummeled by two
Speaker 2: men to speak, which was awesome to watch. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's pretty much it, you know. Uh oh, then I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Brett Hart. Bretttheart talked about Owen and this. He said
Speaker 2: something to the effect of he thought Owen would be
Speaker 2: punished because of him leaving.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's let's do this, let's pause on that, Let's
Speaker 3: do a cliffhanger and pick this up for another episode.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because we can run, so let's do that,
Speaker 2: and let's do the next episode this Thursday. What do
Speaker 2: you say? So we'll do Thursday. Okay, that sounds good
Speaker 2: because we you know, we don't have much time and
Speaker 2: we have a lot to cover, so I would rather
Speaker 2: do this in two episodes, so a.
Speaker 3: Hundred percent agree. That's a great that's a great stop
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 4: Awesome.
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