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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it is between its Dring Drink Tea and

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Speaker 1: you are listening to Eyes up here with drink Stein

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Speaker 2: Always on, Dad, Dannie, How you doing. I haven't really

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Speaker 2: talked to you in the last couple of weeks. I

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Speaker 2: was away posted a video of me, Uh, don't work

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Speaker 2: for me and want to say ride, I was on vacation.

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Speaker 3: I'm emotionally exhausted, but I'm feeling good.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry to hear that.

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Speaker 3: Well in a good way. Just sports related, but in

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Speaker 3: a good way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well let's let's go mix whatever. We

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Speaker 2: are late to the party on this one. But I

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Speaker 2: have had so many requests that I finally sat down

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Speaker 2: and watched Mister McMahon didn't want to watch it. I

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Speaker 2: really was like, I don't really feel like watching it.

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Speaker 2: But I will say once I got into it, I

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Speaker 2: enjoyed it overall. I will admit that. M Now, there

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Speaker 2: are things that bothered me, and there are things that

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Speaker 2: made me extremely sad and touched me in a way,

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Speaker 2: and well we can go over that. But you you

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Speaker 2: saw some of it, you said, and you saw a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were I was out. I didn't I had

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Speaker 3: no interest at first. I just I was not you know,

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Speaker 3: with this. I just I don't want to watch this

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Speaker 3: story again. As like kind of early release notes were

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Speaker 3: was like, you know what, Chad's gonna kind of dip

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Speaker 3: out on this one. I'm not, I'm not in. But

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Speaker 3: then I started to see some stuff and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: once I'm out. Of course, it always pulls me back in,

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Speaker 3: as it always does. But uh, very curious to see

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Speaker 3: your thoughts. So I did. I checked it, I checked

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Speaker 2: Of course. Okay, well, I made it a point to

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Speaker 2: in two nights, and I will say the most interesting

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Speaker 2: I guess segment to me or episode was the first one,

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Speaker 2: which was, yes, I am not an officionado on Vince McMahon.

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Speaker 2: I did not know a lot of his backstory. If

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Speaker 2: I did not know Vince McMahon. Now, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: say I really know him as a person, because yes,

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Speaker 2: I've worked for him, Yes I have my stories about him,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't have a relationship with him. Okay. I

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Speaker 2: wasn't friends with him like I was friendly with Paul

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Speaker 2: wasn't close to Vince McMahon, okay. But all the stuff

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Speaker 2: that we do know about him kind of makes me

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Speaker 2: not like him as a person. With that said, if

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Speaker 2: this first episode, I would feel empathy for the man

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Speaker 2: father not knowing him until he was twelve, growing up

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Speaker 2: in a trailer park, broke poor, never receiving the love

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Speaker 2: so that part touched me. I said to myself, this

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Speaker 2: poor guy. I'm not justifying anything that he might have done,

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Speaker 2: because it's all allegedly. We always say that here not

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Speaker 2: and I'm not saying it's you know, acceptable to be

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Speaker 2: I'm saying this out loud, I'm telling my husband, I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking it, you know. But there is a route to

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Speaker 2: where this all stems from the way he is, the behavior,

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: So, this to me was the most interesting segment of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved it. I love that whole episode. I

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Speaker 3: prove to his dad that he could put the business

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Speaker 2: To me, he came off in this first episode. He

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Speaker 2: It looked like he was uncomfortable at times with sharing

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Speaker 2: that information, even though you said he you know, talked

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Speaker 2: and it never gets old for me. I never, I

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Speaker 2: And I know everybody's different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And even in buying the company from him, I mean,

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Speaker 3: they're expecting him to fail, right, he purchases his business

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Speaker 3: I've heard that over the years. They showed his trajectory

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Speaker 3: You were right that he didn't have that same mister

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Speaker 2: He didn't have his swag on. He was very timid

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Speaker 2: From what they showed, you know they did. I don't

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Speaker 2: He just looked so uncomfortable speaking about his past. And

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Speaker 2: I you know, he's a great actor. We all know this,

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Speaker 2: So is he doing this to get sympathy or was

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Speaker 2: that the real Vince McMahon that we never get to see.

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Speaker 2: Either way, that was my favorite episode of the six

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Speaker 2: So empathy for him felt really sad for him as

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Speaker 3: Can I say? In episode one though, I thought that

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Speaker 2: There was one, I think one part that I called

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Speaker 3: If it was followed by Tony Atlas, I automatically will

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Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you something about Tony Atlas. I

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Speaker 2: Tony was extremely honest with his answers because it seemed

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Speaker 2: for Brett Hart. Brett Hart from episodes past, he does

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Speaker 2: like it is if you if you watch every single episode,

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Speaker 2: there are instances where people give answers and Tony's just

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Speaker 2: So I thought that Tony came off the best out

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Speaker 3: The one, the one instance I guess we could mention

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Speaker 3: later on that where he gives he did give his

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Speaker 3: best answer. Okay, we can hit on that, but that

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Speaker 3: Great foil, he was just a great foil as that

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Speaker 2: So on this episode as well, they talked about covering

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Speaker 2: They talked about the ring Boy scandal. Tony Atlas says

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Speaker 2: we like Pat bandwagon. Pat didn't do anything to me.

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Speaker 2: I can't you know, I can't tell you that I

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Speaker 3: Yep, this is where this was the first I think

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Speaker 2: Here's what I didn't like about this segment. Vince came

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Speaker 5: But all these years fine and not saying it was

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Speaker 2: Know, what are you gonna do? And it's kind of

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Speaker 2: In my eyes looking at Vince McMann, it was kind

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Speaker 2: And you know, even if it did happen, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: What did you think about when the producers asked Tony

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Speaker 2: Just one hundred percent on the money. Who First of all,

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Speaker 2: why would you even open your mouth? He was one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent correct. We've seen people in the pants run

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Speaker 2: So Tony smart. That's why I love he was so

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Speaker 2: I like that because when I'm watching it, I don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was great. And everybody that I've

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Speaker 3: And the steroids too, and they handled the steroids. I

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Speaker 3: was great. And they showed Zaharian, the guy ended up

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Speaker 3: going to jail for Selless wrestlers. They showed all the

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Speaker 2: Right, So that was a good one. The third episode

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is this is where, like I said,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I was interested in this because hearing the

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Speaker 2: Richer thing, which I didn't know about. Yeah, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: I saw this? Yeah, I saw this segment. Now they

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Speaker 3: shocked about.

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00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: She just didn't want to drop the title?

436
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: No, No, didn't want to drop belt?

437
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: Was it? Now? Was it a certain person was presented

438
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: that she didn't want to drop it too? Or did

439
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 2: she just think she should be champed forever? Like that's

440
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: what I'd even get? Was it the person? Because she

441
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: ended up working with Moolah?

442
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

443
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: Was there beef between those two?

444
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well of course, And I think it was to

445
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: Mula number one and Moula. It was almost positive Mula

446
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: is the one that broke her in.

447
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: So but that's what I'm saying, is there a backstory?

448
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 2: Because we know Mula's story and allegedly her sexual prowler

449
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 2: with the women and stuff. Was there a backstory with

450
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: her Windy I wasn't mentioned here, and that is that

451
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: why she didn't want to drop the belt to her?

452
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: Like I was trying to read between the lines a little.

453
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: Bit, and I yeah, I think she's a part of

454
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 3: Mulla or was in Mula's camp. Perhaps, I don't think.

455
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 3: I'm almost pause. I think that could be on the

456
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: dark side.

457
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: I just okay, send me a little bit looming there.

458
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 3: But if you're Wendy Richter in nineteen eighty five and

459
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: everybody's making money hand over fist and you're the champion,

460
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 3: why you you don't want to lose the belt. Hogan's

461
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 3: not losing the belt. You know, Hogan and Piper are

462
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: going back and forth, and Piper till the day he died.

463
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 3: That was the argument. You know, if Hogan just dropped

464
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: the belt to Piper and they they swapped it back

465
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 3: and forth, maybe the business even goes further, right, the

466
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 3: money just keeps going up. Well, she doesn't want to

467
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: drop the belt because that was what it was all about.

468
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 3: The champ makes the most money. I know that was

469
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 3: her feeling. But yeah, her Mula, you know, was a

470
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 3: tried and true soldier of the of that McMahon guard.

471
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: So we're gonna put the belt on Mulla because everybody

472
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: knows Mulla. Mula was in the cartoon, just like Wendy

473
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: Richter was. So we'll trade the belt back and forth

474
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: with Wendy Richter and Mula. I don't know how, you know,

475
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: Spider Lady, you know, right, tell Mulla, you know, but yeah,

476
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 3: they got the belt, they got her.

477
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: Well, she looked like she was gonna shit her pants.

478
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: It was like what just happened? Was pissed And I've

479
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: never seen that.

480
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: That's a great clip.

481
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: Again. For me, that was like something cool because I'm

482
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: expecting to know everything going into this doc and I

483
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: I never saw that part, so that was pretty cool

484
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: to see.

485
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: And hearing Vince talk about it for me is cool

486
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 3: because his old school fan. I don't I'd love to

487
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: hear him talk about that because you think he forgets

488
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: this ship.

489
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he came off as kind of not even

490
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: caring about Wendy, like not even and her over you

491
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like didn't even give her any

492
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: accolades or any like, you know, like it was like

493
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: she was disposable. And I know we're all disposable in

494
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: this business. I get it, but there's certain people that

495
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: you praise and say, wow, what a great work and

496
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: what a great person. And he was just kind of like, Eh,

497
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: you didn't even like, really say much about her.

498
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think she's been very favorable to him.

499
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: Okay, well, then then there's a backstory.

500
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: She was one of the people that, you know, like

501
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: I always said, I didn't think they were gonna pad

502
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: this with the people that you know, don't really like Vince,

503
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: you know, the David schultzs and the nails is that

504
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: you can say nails is of the world. So she

505
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: was one of the names that, you know, I was

506
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: surprised to see because I did. She wasn't one of

507
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: the ones that they promoted. Yeah, so I knew she

508
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: wouldn't really say that much in the positive.

509
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know. It was interesting. Nonetheless, they

510
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: also start to talk about WCW and how they became

511
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: their top rival. One of the major competitors starts talking

512
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: about Ted Turner and they show clips of Ted and

513
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: Jane Fonda and you know WCW as a program, they

514
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: told a lot of stories about wrestlers jumping ship and

515
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: going to WCW, and Vince even explaining, yeah, they went

516
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: there because they had more money at the time. You know,

517
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: he couldn't compete with their bank roll. Here's Ted who's

518
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: a billionaire, and he's got very deep pockets and he's

519
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: picking them off one by one, and here everybody's jumping ship.

520
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: So and I knew this. This is one of the

521
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: things that I've seen a million times, but it was

522
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: still cool to watch. So, you know, Vince a little humble.

523
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: I would think in this segment becau because he knows

524
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: he can't compete with ten Turner's money. Right, you wouldn't

525
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: see that now because you know, he's like the biggest

526
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: game in town. But then it wasn't that case. And

527
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: they also start covering Bischoff, which we get our first

528
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: taste of. And I loved seeing Bischoff do the interview

529
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety and try to I didn't know that

530
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: there's another bibit I didn't see and I had ago

531
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: I don't remember you saying that. But it's funny, is

532
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: you're a hatred for Vince McMahon or you're you know,

533
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: your competitiveness because they didn't give you that job. It's

534
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: like no, but it was. It was funny to see

535
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: him try to get a job there, and my goodness,

536
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: if he did work there, how different things would have been. Yeah,

537
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: how crazy because I'm assuming he would have you know,

538
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: went up the ladder in in the WWF and maybe

539
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: we could have saw the nWo in WWF possibly, you know.

540
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: Uh. There was also the Billionaire Ted.

541
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: And oh the goofy segments.

542
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and getting to see Ted Turner you know, love

543
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: it see And I mean that's another thing I never

544
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: would have imagined that, Yeah, he loved the billionaires like

545
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: a hyena.

546
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: It's like, what a good sense of humor this guy.

547
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: It's awesome.

548
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was pretty cool to see. Yeah, they

549
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: talked about the NWOL a lot, and then they they

550
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: ended with the Montreal Screwjob, which now I have always

551
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: heard stories about this, but I've always heard them second, third,

552
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: fourth hand. I've never really watched an interview from Brett

553
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: Hart about it. So for me, this was cool to

554
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: see because I was like, Okay, is there something that

555
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know about it, and I didn't know. I

556
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: always heard he punched him, but I didn't know how

557
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: it came to be at the end with Vince saying, Okay,

558
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: I gotta go in there. I know I'm gonna get punched,

559
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: like in other words, I deserve it. The spitting on

560
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: Vince's face, the writing of w c W in the air,

561
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: I never saw that. Okay, so you know, I always

562
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: saw a clip of the you know, Earl doing the

563
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: fast count or whatever, and then the chaos, but I

564
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: never saw the fighting at ringside. I never saw bred

565
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: at ringside. So this to me was cool to see

566
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: because I've heard so much about it. And then to

567
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: hear afterwards, you know, how the the punch actually came about,

568
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: and to see Vince's eye, I was just like wow,

569
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: Like you think Vince would have just high tailed it

570
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: into like another atmosphere at this point. No, he went

571
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: up to him and was just like, let's go.

572
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

573
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: Not many men, I don't think would do that. A

574
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 2: lot of men would run away. Vin's had some balls

575
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: to take that shit.

576
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: Scat balls, just eyes of grapefruits money. I always said that.

577
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: Then I'd recommend you watch wrestling with shadows as you

578
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: catch up on things that you never saw before, because

579
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: that's the documentary that they used footage from, you know,

580
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 3: to kind of show us some of the stuff that

581
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: was it. I mean that's the whole thing. I mean,

582
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 3: they had the cameras there amazing that showed us everything.

583
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just was like, wow, that's pretty cool. But

584
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: you know, for me it was something new. So I

585
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: don't know. But now we're getting into episode four, Uh,

586
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: this is about the Attitude error. So it started. This

587
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: is when he actually transitions into Mickster McMahon and they

588
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: start to talk about who he liked as a child

589
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: growing up, and his favorite wrestler was doctor Jerry Graham. Yep,

590
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: I didn't even know who he was, to be honest

591
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: with you, and how he emulated some of his traits

592
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: into his character to become mister McMahon. So that was

593
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: interesting to me because I never knew that, never heard

594
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: of it. Talked about the attitude era that I can remember,

595
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: and I really liked watching Undertakers take of things. I

596
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: thought he was honest, not as honest as Tony Atlas,

597
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: but I thought it was refreshing to see on it.

598
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: And I never really came across the Undertaker too much,

599
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: but when I did very nice and that was few

600
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: and far between times, but he was always a very

601
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 2: nice gentleman. You start to see Paul Hayman a lot

602
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: in this episode, and I turned to my husband and

603
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: I said, Paul is one of the most eloquent speakers

604
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: that I have ever heard. Everything that comes out of

605
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: that man's mouth is like a promo. It's just like, no, no, pauses,

606
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: He's not reading a script. I don't think. I think

607
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: this is just out of that brain, which is brilliant,

608
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: and he's just going off and giving thoughts and I'm

609
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: just looking at him and I'm like, wow, what a talker.

610
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: To this day, he still has the capacity and the

611
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: just he can just he's mesmerizing. When he speaks. It's eloquent.

612
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: It's the sky is blue, the grass is green. No,

613
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 2: the sky is green, the grass is blue. Oh right, Paul.

614
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: Anything he says, you're like, yeah, that's right.

615
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 5: He is.

616
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: A hypnotist. I don't know what else to say. And

617
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm not taking the kool aid. I'm not listen. I

618
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: know him, I'm looking for it. No, he's just he's

619
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: a phenomenal speak He should be like a speed a

620
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: public speaker, like a promotional speaker, like go to schools

621
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: or do after this is done. He's got the gift

622
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 2: of gab man and that's why he's in the position

623
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: that he's in. He is one of the greatest talkers

624
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: in this industry, bar none, whether it's a script of

625
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: promo or thoughts off the top of his head. That

626
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: man can talk. I just had to put that over

627
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: because I haven't seen him talk in a minute, and

628
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: by god, he was just and I was just like,

629
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 2: is this off the fly? Did he make notes? Because

630
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: if he didn't, he's just brilliant.

631
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: Come on, let me make this point about it. I

632
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 3: actually felt he was the guy who came off the

633
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: most his character on this. I thought he was more

634
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: like Paul Hayman, the on screen character than anybody else

635
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: who was on the show or at a documentary. All

636
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: the interviews, I thought, we've got more of the wise

637
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 3: man Paul Hayman than we did Paul Hayman, the Paul Hayman.

638
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: But again, maybe that's just me looking a little too much.

639
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 2: Well, I can say this, you don't know Paul personally.

640
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 3: But that's this is what I'm about.

641
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: To say, this is how Paul will speak, you know

642
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, this is Paul I don't know,

643
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: Like I can see similarities between Paul the person and

644
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: Paul the character, just like they were talking about Vince,

645
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: are you that character? And Vince saying I don't think

646
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 2: I'm that character, and everybody's saying, yes, you are. He's

647
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: exactly that character. I see Paul Hayman as I see

648
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: the Wise Man or whatever the hell they call him

649
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: like that. He's always like spoke, you know what I mean.

650
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: When he talks to you, it is very intense and

651
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: it is very deep, and he leans over and he

652
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: looks into your eyes and he has this sense of

653
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: control over you and you're just looking at him like,

654
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Speaker 2: oh my god, it's amazing. I'm not gonna say what

655
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: power he has over people, but he is such a

656
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: good speaker, he's well versed that you're just gonna take

657
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: in everything that he says and you're gonna question yourself

658
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: at one point. That's what Paul does. I'm not the

659
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: only one who says this about him. Everybody says this

660
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Speaker 2: about him. A lot of people will say he's a bullshitter,

661
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like you have those people

662
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: who are not Paul Haman, guys who don't like Paul Haman.

663
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and trash Paul. I've never

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Speaker 2: trashed Paul because guess what, I wouldn't be sitting here

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Speaker 2: without Paul. All I'm saying is he has the power

666
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: of the gift of gad to just convince you of

667
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Speaker 2: not even doing things that you don't want to do,

668
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: but just convince you, yes, you are a good worker,

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Speaker 2: and here's why, and giving you this, that and the

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00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: other thing, you know what I mean. Like he's just

671
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: he's a good talker. And he came off brilliantly. Every

672
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: time he opened his mouth, he just did I'm sorry,

673
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: I'm not drinking late. I'm not kissing his ass. It's

674
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: just watching this, I don't know performance, if you will.

675
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Speaker 2: I just thought he came off very well again, not

676
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Speaker 2: Tony Atlas, refreshingly, you know, he came off company to me,

677
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Speaker 2: like a company guy. But he just was eloquent and

678
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: he made so much sense with what he said.

679
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Speaker 3: Yeah makes sense. Not again, And I just felt like

680
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 3: it was a performance and it was over the top

681
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: sound trying to be too much like the character. But

682
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Speaker 3: again you made the point that I was going to say,

683
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Speaker 3: I don't know the man, and that could be how

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00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: exactly how he is, And times when we have seen

685
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: him where the curtains supposed to be down, like in

686
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: beyond the Mat, sounded like how he was, and beyond

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00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: the mat when they were interviewing him. Right, that's the

688
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: only thing I can really see where all right, this

689
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 3: wasn't him. When they released the DVD documentary on him

690
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: sounded the same. So I mean, look again, I just

691
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: felt he was the most in character because Haul Cogan

692
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: wasn't on there going like, let me tell you something,

693
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: brother about nineteen eighty five. Right, you know it wasn't that.

694
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 3: But you know, we can obviously go into a little

695
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 3: bit more as we start to get deeper in because

696
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: we're not done.

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00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: But no, no, there was a lot to cover. In

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00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: episode four, they talk about ECW, They talk about Steve Austin,

699
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: the evolution of Steve Austin and how he you know,

700
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Speaker 2: came the e c W and Paul knew he wasn't

701
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Speaker 2: going to be here for a long time, but man,

702
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: was he going to utilize him as much as he could.

703
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 2: And we saw some clips of him and Mike.

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Speaker 3: He do you ever think when he stepped on your

705
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 3: white shoes that those clips would be used later?

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Speaker 2: For those who don't know, I had bought new sneakers

707
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: that were pure white, and Steve King stood next to

708
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: me in front of the monitor, and I don't know

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00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: how we I must have said, hey, do you like

710
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: my new shoes? And I said, don't scuff him? And

711
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: he stepped on them one purpose and started laughing. So

712
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: that was mine.

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00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: I had to bring that up.

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00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, Steve Austin wasn't hateful or malicious, just being you know,

715
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: just being Steve. But anyway, continue, Yeah, so we see Steve,

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00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: We see uh, Stephen Mikey in the ring. Then we

717
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: see him emerging a stone called Steve Austin the impact

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Speaker 2: he hadn't do? W e their fans They showed Mike Tyson.

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Speaker 2: And the funny part about this was Stephanie Mann saying,

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Speaker 2: oh was he? I?

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Speaker 3: I don't want to use the word, but I don't

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Speaker 3: even know what to say anymore. I don't know something

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Speaker 3: that wasn't against against somebody's will.

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Speaker 2: Something against the woman. And apparently like if you hire someone,

725
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: shouldn't you know their background?

726
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: It was pretty well publicized all the time.

727
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Speaker 2: Did she not know which I you know, I just

728
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: laughed at that. I was like, okay. This is where

729
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: Vince starts saying that it bothers him that people think

730
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: he's like his character. So then you get Bischoff, Bischoff

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Speaker 2: saying that he was mister McMahon before mister McMahon was

732
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Speaker 2: mister McMahon, that mister McMahon bit the character from Eric

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Speaker 2: Bischoff because Eric was the boss, you know, and he

734
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Speaker 2: did it it. Vince McMahon did it better, but he

735
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: did it first, and then Vince goes, okay, so I

736
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: did it better, and that was that.

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Speaker 3: It's like draw you know, great, it's a great Uh,

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Speaker 3: He's not wrong, I mean was Bischoff was awesome when

739
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 3: he first turned He Yeah, he was great, especially because

740
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Speaker 3: he was this little runt with these big guys, you know,

741
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Speaker 3: and try and look he was the executive trying to

742
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Speaker 3: fit in with this cool group. He was awesome.

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Speaker 2: At the nWo Yep, yep, the rock comes into the

744
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,479
Speaker 2: picture starts. Uh. They start to cover his entrance into

745
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: the business. The go over his family legacy. Shawn Michaels

746
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: talks about how women were portrayed not good, not being portrayed.

747
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 2: And there's a million stories about Shawn Michaels and women.

748
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Speaker 2: But you know, as he states, I was a prickback then.

749
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: We I mean, you know, take that as as you will.

750
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: But the women portrayed in the Attitude era, you know,

751
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: not really good. And I think I think I was

752
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 2: in one clip in this when they showed I didn't

753
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: when they showed you, and I'm pretty sure it was

754
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: just yeah, it was just me being pummeled by two

755
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 2: men to speak, which was awesome to watch. But yeah,

756
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: that's pretty much it, you know. Uh oh, then I'm sorry.

757
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: Brett Hart. Bretttheart talked about Owen and this. He said

758
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: something to the effect of he thought Owen would be

759
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: punished because of him leaving.

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00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 3: Yes, let's let's do this, let's pause on that, Let's

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00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: do a cliffhanger and pick this up for another episode.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because we can run, so let's do that,

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Speaker 2: and let's do the next episode this Thursday. What do

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Speaker 2: you say? So we'll do Thursday. Okay, that sounds good

765
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: because we you know, we don't have much time and

766
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: we have a lot to cover, so I would rather

767
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: do this in two episodes, so a.

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Speaker 3: Hundred percent agree. That's a great that's a great stop

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 4: Awesome.

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Speaker 2: Do you have anything to promote really quickly?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Just you know, no, just chatty and be on X

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Speaker 3: and at IB exclusives on Instagram. Uh, I'll let you

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Speaker 3: do the big plugs because no, I just want to

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Speaker 3: keep going. This is I'm very into this right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, across the board on social media, you can find

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Speaker 2: me at ACW Diva franccene. If you want to go

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Speaker 2: most of all, I hope you're saying extreme.

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