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Speaker 1: The only think I'm plugging is forgotten seasons.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back Forgotten seasons. Boogie cousins, What is good?

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Speaker 3: What's what's everybody's favorite cousin? How much of that your

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Speaker 3: development in middle school and high school like made you

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Speaker 3: make a decision to go play for Cale and Andy.

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Speaker 2: You were committed to U A B at first.

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Speaker 4: So crazy thing is boom. So to correct myself, I

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Speaker 4: actually started playing basketball in middle school. I started in

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Speaker 4: the seventh grade, so I kind of had a late start.

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Speaker 4: That's that's pretty late. But this is how fast I

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Speaker 4: picked up the game. And by ninth grade I was

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Speaker 4: a number one freshman.

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Speaker 1: In the country.

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Speaker 4: But that's how like fast I picked up the game.

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Speaker 4: But anywhere when goes to Kyle rewind back to middle school.

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Speaker 4: I went to my first college game U A B.

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Speaker 4: This is at the time I lived in Birmingham. I

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Speaker 4: went to my first collegiate game and it was UAB

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Speaker 4: versus Memphis caliberry so cal Hash.

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Speaker 1: You remember Sean Williams. Yep.

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Speaker 4: So I'm seeing this guy play and at this time

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Speaker 4: I'm starting to play basketball. But I don't really know

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Speaker 4: what I am like, I'm just I'm being taught by people.

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Speaker 4: I'm just trusting the people around me. I'm just taking

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Speaker 4: in information, but I'm still trying to figure out what

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Speaker 4: I am as a player. So I see Sean Williams

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, Damn, this dude called as fuck. Like

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Speaker 4: he's shooting it, he's handling, smooth as fuck, punching on motherfucker.

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Speaker 4: Like to me, I'm like, this dude is the complete package,

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Speaker 4: Like he's everything in a basketball player and at the

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Speaker 4: same time he's unselfish, so and through it all, I'm

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Speaker 4: just watching the smoothness of his game, like it's super smooth, silky.

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Speaker 4: So I'm just like, damn, I want to play like that.

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Speaker 4: And it was always players of that cat like of

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Speaker 4: that mold of which I fell in love with. And

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Speaker 4: I know we're gonna get to, you know, some of

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Speaker 4: that later on, but with another guy in power gassaw.

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Speaker 4: But that mold of player is what I fell in

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Speaker 4: love with and it went from and growing up, that

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Speaker 4: mold was always like the Shawn Williams.

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Speaker 1: Uh you may not.

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Speaker 4: You may remember this name, Jelani, A guy named Walter

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Speaker 4: Sharp what college walk bounced around a little bit. He's

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Speaker 4: from Birmingham, Alabama. If you don't remember. The name is cool.

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Speaker 4: Walter Sharp was another one of those guys that I

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Speaker 4: molded my game. After a guy goes by the name

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Speaker 4: of Stanley Robinson rest in Peace Stix went to Yukon

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Speaker 4: Play had a couple of pro years. Rest in Peace

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Speaker 4: another guy molded my game, and then it was Carmelo

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Speaker 4: pal Gasol shak Amari like just and then I just

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Speaker 4: combined everything.

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Speaker 3: Bits and pieces until you made a gumbo. You made

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Speaker 3: a gumbo.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, some good home cooking gumbo.

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Speaker 4: But when it came to Cal, like, I'm just like, damn,

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Speaker 4: that's so dope to see him allowed his player of

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Speaker 4: his game. So that's what kind of put Cal on

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Speaker 4: the radar for me. So then boom, we fast.

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Speaker 5: Forward and.

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Speaker 1: I was a hometown kid.

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Speaker 4: I was super naive to you know, just the collegiate world,

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Speaker 4: the when it comes to being professional, all of those things.

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Speaker 4: Like I was even naive when it came to actually

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Speaker 4: becoming an NBA player, Like I never am.

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Speaker 1: I lived the way I lived and the way I

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Speaker 1: grew up.

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Speaker 4: Everything was reality for me because that's what my surroundings were,

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Speaker 4: if that makes sense. Outside of that, you don't really

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Speaker 4: coming up the way you come up. You don't really

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Speaker 4: dream big. You just dream of your reality with you

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Speaker 4: on a daily basis. And you know what we considered

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Speaker 4: successful coming up in those type of environments, So you

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Speaker 4: would dream of ship, I hope I can get a

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Speaker 4: Chevy Caprice and put it on six. It's like you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like that was dreaming big in

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Speaker 4: our environment. So regardless of that, like I used to

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Speaker 4: you know, the potential I got. But for me, it

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Speaker 4: was where I was hearing it from people that grew

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Speaker 4: I'm just like motherfucker, how you know, like evaluated, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you going to the league and it's like nigga, like

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Speaker 4: you ain't ever even been to an NBA game?

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Speaker 1: How the fuck? You know?

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Speaker 4: Like so that's kind of how my mind would would

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Speaker 1: So when it came to me.

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Speaker 4: Committing to UA B and things of that nature, like

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Speaker 4: like I said, I was, I was super naive and

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Speaker 4: was gonna be home, which wasn't necessarily the best for

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Speaker 1: It was comfortable. So it was like, yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: just go to UA B. I even go, Bro. I

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Speaker 1: didn't even go on an official visit to UA B, and.

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Speaker 4: I lived in Birmingham like campus, never even been on

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Speaker 4: Yeah I'm going to UA B.

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Speaker 1: Bro, Like yeah, like you do it, bleazz, I'm in yeah.

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Speaker 4: But it was also to where it was me operating

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Speaker 4: off comfort. The first coach ever recruit me was Mike Davis,

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Speaker 4: who ended up at UAB. He was originally I met

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Speaker 4: him when he was at Indiana, which was my first

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Speaker 4: basketball camp in the eighth grade. So once he came

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Speaker 4: to UA B, I'm just in my mom, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 4: this is like a maschmate in heaven. This was supposed

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Speaker 4: to have and this was destiny like fuck out of here.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I'm thankful for that, Like I got

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Speaker 4: number love for coach Mike Davis, and you know, just

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Speaker 4: our relationship over the.

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Speaker 1: Years to this day, we still speak.

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Speaker 4: He calls, he checks on my mom, like just real good,

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Speaker 4: genuine person. But it just didn't align once things started

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Speaker 2: Can we can we talk a little bit just about

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Speaker 2: how big Kentucky was in your class, specifically because I

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Speaker 2: think some older people that talk about it, they have

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Speaker 2: like the Fab Five, and there's that's been talked about,

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Speaker 2: how culturally impactful quote unquote that was, which it was,

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Speaker 2: But I'm twenty six. When I was in middle school,

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Speaker 2: high school, you guys were just on the scene in Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: A hyper dunks, the elite socks like that was basketball.

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Speaker 2: It was also the probably not the very first, but

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Speaker 2: of the first, like one and done crops we were

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Speaker 4: Was the beginning it was. That was the beginning of

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Speaker 4: that wave. Though it was like two classes before us, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Three maybe, but that was the first one where it

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Speaker 2: felt like this is kind of no ship. It was

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Speaker 2: like the closest thing I think there was to the

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Speaker 2: Fab Five since the Fab five all freshmen, all starting

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Speaker 2: number one team. We were talking as I was talking

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Speaker 2: to Jiulani and Nate, what how many college basketball players

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Speaker 2: since two thousand do you think of been bigger than

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Speaker 2: John wall.

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Speaker 1: In the moment in the pup, Yes.

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Speaker 4: Greg Olden was a fucking monster. I'm not saying here

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Speaker 4: a state, No, I'm not. I'm talking about as far

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Speaker 4: as hype to him coming out of high school. The

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Speaker 4: hype was crazy, Okay, crazy like they was saying he

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Speaker 4: was the next Shaquille O'Neill was crazy. He dominated throughout

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Speaker 4: the tournament. I remember he ended up he broke.

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Speaker 1: His hand or some shit and was hooping with the

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Speaker 1: left right came back. Yeah he So.

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Speaker 3: Greg was going to wasn't in the final four or closer.

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Speaker 3: I think they lost the Florida.

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Speaker 1: They lost the Flid. I think in the championship.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so Greg Oden for sure.

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Speaker 2: Damn since two thousand, like since the Fab five, I

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Speaker 2: mean since that. College basketball players personalities.

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Speaker 4: Like uh, Derek Rose maybe maybe No, I'm not say

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Speaker 4: that Derick Rose hype.

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Speaker 2: I mean obviously came with the Bulls. I think he

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Speaker 1: And but the Rose was that guy. The Rose was

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Speaker 1: that guy coming out of here. He was that mellow.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Mellows was that hype, though he.

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Speaker 2: Had lebron over his shadow.

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Speaker 3: Kind of Yeah, he had a good run, like he

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Speaker 3: had a crazy run in college.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think they really hyped him.

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Speaker 4: Or started after he went exactly after he got on

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Speaker 4: the cover a college game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of happened. No, I can't say mellow.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the only other guy, uh oh, J Mayo.

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Speaker 2: Hype was he was on the cover of Slam. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That was big. Yeah, yeah, J Mayo was crazy.

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Speaker 2: And then you got to you gotta mention the flash

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Speaker 2: and the pain guys like a Gimmer or a Steph,

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Speaker 2: but they didn't come in with any of that.

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Speaker 3: Hell no, you have to come in with it.

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Speaker 1: You have to come in.

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Speaker 4: Only was really gassed up, like towards the end of

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Speaker 4: his college career, like and then it was like during

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Speaker 4: the tournament. So it wasn't like we knew about Jim

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Speaker 4: or all through his every year through like that wasn't

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Speaker 4: the case. Like I think Steph hype started during the

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Speaker 4: tournament as well. JJ Reddick I think was just a

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Speaker 4: college favorite. It wasn't a lot of hype with him,

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Speaker 4: like he was good as fuck, but it wasn't where

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Speaker 4: they just talked about JJ Reddick every day.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't the case.

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Speaker 4: I would say the only guy outside of Jay Wall

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Speaker 4: at this point now that I'm thinking about it with

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Speaker 4: that kind of hype. Maybe was zigned with facts that

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Speaker 4: might be the closest. But what I saw John, like

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Speaker 4: the year with John, I don't think it'll ever be

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Speaker 4: matched again, like a real life rock star, like Bro,

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Speaker 4: a rock star like was.

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Speaker 2: Drake there on the first day of school when you

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Speaker 2: pull up the orientation, he just coming part of the package, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, that was drakeson coming out year.

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Speaker 4: It was like everything lined like Bro, That's that's what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like like the ship.

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Speaker 3: When he became Champagne Poppy, that's when the is in

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Speaker 3: between Drake and then he went over to Champagne Poppy

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Speaker 3: after these Kentucky years and after all the little you know,

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Speaker 3: he he went down south.

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Speaker 4: That twenty ten years was his first year coming out

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Speaker 4: and that's it was like our stories all kind of

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Speaker 4: started together.

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Speaker 1: Like that's why.

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Speaker 4: That's why, like that relationship I feel like gonna always

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Speaker 4: be like solid, like you know what I mean, And

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Speaker 4: it's there there like we kind of started together and

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Speaker 4: we've been watching each other from afar like kind of flourish,

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Speaker 4: if you know what I mean. So that's just like

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Speaker 4: a dope like beginner's moment for us.

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Speaker 3: What about Kevin Durant. What about in that John Wall

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Speaker 3: conversation of hype KD at Texas is As.

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Speaker 4: I can't say KD. And the reason is because KD

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Speaker 4: came out that you're with Greg Olden. So Greg Olden

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Speaker 4: took all the hype.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you that.

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Speaker 2: People go back and and give him ship for picking

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Speaker 2: Greg Oden over Haiti. But I think there might have

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Speaker 2: been one person out of thirty that was saying Greg

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, like he was a fucking monster.

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Speaker 3: Bro should be like a lifetime eighteen and ten guys some.

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Speaker 1: Ship like that. He might have been better than that. Bro.

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Speaker 3: The way he was catching ship wrong footed and turning

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Speaker 1: He had to jump, He had to jump lop action

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Speaker 6: You really like he could run the floor. He could

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Speaker 6: second coming of shock Bro. He was fucking two ninety.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that Rod st Clinton gave you the

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Speaker 4: That was strict. Strict gave me that name. And it

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Speaker 4: So and at this time two thousand and nine tennis,

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Speaker 3: It's good coming from a proper o G two coming

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Speaker 1: Of the hoop. The boogie is to ever do it?

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Speaker 2: Uh, going into Sacramento, I want to show you something.

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Speaker 2: This what I'm trying to cryptically say? Yeah, So for

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Speaker 2: Decent, right, just decent decent. I'm playing that will be

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Speaker 3: Something comes to mind when I think about this. I

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're listening to Boogie talking about his coaches

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Speaker 3: But you run into west Fall, and I had the

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Speaker 1: Man, that shit was.

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Speaker 4: It was tough, bro, It was tough, And obviously it's tough,

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Speaker 4: He hated the way I walked, he hated like he

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Speaker 1: That moment is just like I couldn't get past that part.

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Speaker 4: It's just like, dude, Like I remember, I remember one

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Speaker 4: game and the system, I'm like, well, damn, he do

439
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 4: kind of fit the system, so it made sense why.

440
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: He wanted them.

441
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 4: But for me, it was just like, bro, this don't

442
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 4: even make no sense how the organization want me. But

443
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: you got a coach that doesn't want me, and then

444
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 4: you expected to work, Like.

445
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 2: What are you supposed to do with that information? What

446
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: are you even supposed to do with that information?

447
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: I was always trying to tell. I'm like, what this

448
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: dude got against me?

449
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 3: Bro some context, I'll take you he had a lot

450
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 3: more against you than that. You know, you represented what

451
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 3: I did for him in nineteen ninety eight, a lot

452
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 3: of the same ship that I went through, bonker ship

453
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: that he did to me in practice, and that he

454
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: would do or try to set me off in failure.

455
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 3: What you represented was ah uh, it was a It

456
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 3: was a It was a It was a clash with

457
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 3: the old regime boogie and the way the old things

458
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 3: were done, old coaching ways of like I just need

459
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: a screen and roller. No motherfucker, we want the best player.

460
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 3: We have an opportunity to get a guy who's a

461
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: five toiler, and you're telling us just to go get

462
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: the screen and roller. We ain't going for it. We

463
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: cut the checks and now as you can start to

464
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: see as those guys have slowly either the transition to

465
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 3: TV or they get them the fuck out of the way,

466
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 3: blessed they hertsh the best ones who get who get

467
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: the message rather like that later they can go to

468
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: the front office kind of be a hybrid between the

469
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 3: old and the new. But there were some other things

470
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: socially that I've come to learn about Paul Westfall that

471
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: y'all wasn't even supposed to be in the same room together,

472
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, like ye had no

473
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 3: other walk in life? Would you and Paul west Wall

474
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: meet up for lunch or bump him and be like

475
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: I like those shoes or you know whatever? That that

476
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: shit was never supposed to happen. So I'm gonna go

477
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: out on a limb because I've been in this situation

478
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: and say, like they never put you, whether there was

479
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: ignorance or you know what I mean, just trying to

480
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: build the team. You weren't put in a proper position.

481
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 4: Bro, even trying to figure myself out as a young man,

482
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 4: just like yeah, yeah, this coach can't help me figure

483
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 4: out my issues because he can't even relate, like not

484
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 4: even a little bit, Like, yeah, he can teach me

485
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: about basketball, but as of right now, in the stage

486
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 4: I'm at in my life, basketball is maybe twenty percent.

487
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: Like I'm figuring out how to detach myself from old ways,

488
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 4: all of these things, and all you got is the

489
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 4: man from sunny California that's life been pretty peachy, super peachy,

490
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 4: Like to tell me how to deal with my everyday struggles.

491
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 4: And it's just it's not the same and it never

492
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: will be.

493
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: Like well put to both of you, like the fucked

494
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: up situation is the fucked up situation you? I know, Jilani,

495
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: I assume you're the same way. You don't live in

496
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: a life of regret. But are there any like knowing

497
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: what you both of you know now having all these years,

498
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: is there even anything you think you could have done

499
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: at that time, whether it be a direct conversation with

500
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: him or is it.

501
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 4: Just I don't honestly, and and I and I've tried,

502
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 4: like for the most part, I'm always I've always been

503
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 4: the guy that wants everybody you know to know is like,

504
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 4: ain't no bullshit. I try my best to be positive

505
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 4: every day. And that's how I carry myself, regardless of

506
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: the narrative that's surrounding my name. That's how I've always

507
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: carried myself. I'm laid back, I'm chill, but if you

508
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 4: fuck with me, is up like simple as that, Like

509
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 4: and that's just with every aspect of life, Like I'm

510
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 4: not a person you just gonna poke with, and you

511
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So but outside of that, I'm

512
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 4: out the way, like I'm low key, I'm completely out

513
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 4: the way half the.

514
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: Time you don't even know I'm fucking there.

515
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: Sounds like those are the people that like to fuck with,

516
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 3: the ones who are on the court that they you know,

517
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 3: they they are who they are on the court talking

518
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 3: to ship. Were talking about talk a little ship when

519
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: it's brought to us. But after the court, it's like, nah,

520
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 3: I ain't no beast off the court. I'm about to

521
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: go over here and chill. You think I'm somewhere slobbering

522
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: and hollering or arguing with people off the court, you

523
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Maybe that ain't even close to

524
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: who I am out out the way, like you said,

525
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: out of the way.

526
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 4: So it was it was just with that, I just

527
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 4: don't I've went out of my way to make him

528
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 4: like kind of understand me, and I've tried to understand him,

529
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: but like I said, at that stage in my life,

530
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 4: I couldn't relate to him and he couldn't relate to

531
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 4: me like and I can see why, you know, the

532
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: way I may have spoke or my lingo at the

533
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 4: time or whatever the casement, he could probably rub a

534
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 4: dude look the wrong way. Like once you grow up

535
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 4: a little more and see how you know life, life's

536
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: and you see the different type things that are go

537
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 4: on every single day for the most part, most of them,

538
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 4: and even when it comes to our racial issues in America,

539
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: like most of that shit, the core of it is

540
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 4: we can't relate, simple as that and us not being

541
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: able to relate when you speak to me and try

542
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 4: to explain yourself, brother, I just don't even know what

543
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: the fuck you're talking about, and vice versa.

544
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: So until we.

545
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 4: Can get to that part of just understanding each other's foundation,

546
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: like we fast forward to another scenario as in me

547
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: and this coach trying to coexist, it's just like, bro,

548
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 4: I don't get it, Like I don't get you brother, like,

549
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 4: and that's okay, that's not my fault.

550
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: That's not the coach's job or his fault.

551
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: That was on this organization to make sure you're putting

552
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 4: the pieces in place to make this young investment work.

553
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: That's just kind of how I look at it.

554
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 4: So do I have regret as far as our relationship, No,

555
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously I wish it would have worked, Like

556
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I wished every coaching situation

557
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 4: would have worked, but that's just how sports go. They

558
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: don't always work. But for me, for me, it.

559
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: Was more so like me being an escaped thought.

560
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, as far as it not working, and then that

561
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 4: also up it's just like, dude, you throwing my name

562
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 4: through the mud, like just because you can't coach this

563
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: team or the team doesn't fit, that's not my fault, brother,

564
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 4: and it's not And maybe I do play a part

565
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: in that, but so do you as the coach, like

566
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

567
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: So that that's just more so how I felt about it.

568
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: And from my experience with this dude in particular, there

569
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: was no way he drew a line in the sand,

570
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 3: and there was no formal communication. You know, could I

571
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: have said some things differently, maybe that I said to

572
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: him and running some front office people or around some

573
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: people that shouldn't have heard it. But he drew a

574
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: line in the sound where you had to stick up

575
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: for yourself, your name.

576
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: Bro.

577
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: He was He's fucking with you, you know, it was

578
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: It would be detrimental if you sat by quietly and

579
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: let this man do some of the ship that he

580
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 3: would try to do. So I'll put it, I'll put

581
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: a ball on it with that.

582
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: So but to speak on I want to say, woman,

583
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 4: to even speak on that when I really think about it,

584
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: Like I said, I kind of I spoke on us

585
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 4: not just being able to relate or even be familiar

586
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 4: with each other's side. But it was this time where

587
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: you know, I was coming into practice, he was, We

588
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: was kind of into it for whatever reason, just back

589
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 4: and forth whatever. And I told you, I carried myself, Jelene,

590
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 4: you see me to this day, I'm low key, Like,

591
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 4: regardless of how big my name is or was at

592
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: the time, I've always kind of carried myself the same.

593
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: Like I'm low key, I'm out the way. If I

594
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 4: was a guy that went out, I'm not the guy

595
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 4: standing on the table with a bottle. I'm the guy

596
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 4: sitting down in the cut. You don't even know he there.

597
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 4: Like that's just how I carry myself. I don't crave attention.

598
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 4: I actually don't like attention.

599
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: Like so.

600
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: When I got drafted to the team, they put they

601
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 4: put this big ass poster me on the side of

602
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: the ring and I had a big ass picture and

603
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: me downtown on one of the buildings like crazy, like

604
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: and you know, I'm coming there and I'm seeing the

605
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 4: shit as a young boy and I'm just like, damn,

606
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 4: this is a lot like this.

607
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: That's my whole face up there. Bro, that shit crazy.

608
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: So it was one day.

609
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 4: Coach was pissed at west Fall was pissed at me.

610
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 4: He was he was talking this shit to me. He

611
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: said something like you think you all that cause you

612
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 4: got a picture on the side of the building. And

613
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, I don't give a fuck about that picture.

614
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, make sure they take it down. I'm like

615
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 4: take it down, like I don't give a fuck. Like

616
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: and I'm pulling into practice the next day and I

617
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: kid you not, it is six men at the top

618
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 4: of the fucking arena pulling the poster down.

619
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm just like, damn, this dude really like got it

620
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: out for me.

621
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 4: Like so, And like I said, when speaking on us

622
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 4: not being familiar with one another, he probably really felt

623
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 4: like of his standard of how he, you know, does things,

624
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: I wasn't deserving of it, and you're not, you know what,

625
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 4: I'm saying, so I could see where like the animosity

626
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 4: or how he felt about me, I could see where

627
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 4: it came from, like.

628
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: He was helping you in his mind. He was of

629
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: it like yeah, and he was like, I'm gonna knock

630
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: you down so you can build yourself back up. That's

631
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: how the motherfuckers think you're not deserving of it. So

632
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna knock you down, and I'm teaching you a

633
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: lesson because you know this is how I do it.

634
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: And then you can build yourself back. Well you've tried to,

635
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: you know. That's another way of breaking somebody, right and

636
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: then letting them build you back up. Boom, right, if

637
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: you don't pick and roll, if you if you if

638
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: you pick and roll and just you know, then you break.

639
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: Now he got you. If you're still exploring and being

640
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: the boogie and doing the bugie shit, now you're a problem.

641
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 3: So that's how.

642
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: They get you.

643
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: And I think in that moment, I like I thought,

644
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 4: I've thought back on it, and it just come to realize, like, dude,

645
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 4: just I wasn't his player. I wasn't his type of

646
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: players for his standard for what he was looking for,

647
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 4: and maybe so when it came to his system. I

648
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 4: just wasn't his player, and I can understand now why.

649
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: It was so much like animosity like and in my head,

650
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 4: I'm just like, damn, why the fuck this dude on

651
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 4: my back so.

652
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: Crazy like, and it was always like negativity.

653
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 4: It was never anything like positive like, but he would

654
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 4: come with the negativity and then at the end of

655
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 4: it be like, man, I'm just trying to help you

656
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 4: become a man, like nobody need all.

657
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: That, brother, this ain't it?

658
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 6: Like?

659
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: Well, I'll say from a from a fan perspective, me

660
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 2: and all my boys love watching you play. I think

661
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: the definition of a dude like get him to a

662
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: better situation, like please. I mean, we listed off all

663
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: the draft things even later after you've gone. That front

664
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: office made some of the worst decisions ever. They could

665
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: have Luca, but they chose Marvin Bagley over him. So,

666
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: I mean, hindsight's twenty twenty. But I wasn't asking in

667
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: terms of anything like do you regret anything. I just

668
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: sometimes it's it's cool to know, like if you even

669
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: have perspective, But some situations are just so broken that

670
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: there's no perspective really to have other than that it

671
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: was just all fucked up.

672
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: Only thing I really wished for in my time was

673
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 4: like my playing style and the way.

674
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: The game.

675
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 4: The way I played the game was embraced more at

676
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 4: that time because now you know, that's what they're looking for,

677
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 4: like they fell in love, you know, with the playmaking

678
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 4: big So I mean you got to kind of also

679
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: blame it just on the time and of it, Like

680
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 4: where the game was with two bigs and two bigs

681
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: in the post, one shooter, a defender, and the point guard.

682
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: Like that's the era that I came I entered the

683
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 4: NBA and I became a professional with so the way

684
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 4: I played wasn't necessarily embrace yet, you know what I mean.

685
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 4: It worked, it was effective, but it wasn't embraced. So

686
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 4: I think that also played a part in it.

687
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: I want to talk about New Orleans a little bit,

688
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: which was your you know, you have that dramatic kind

689
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: of trade, uh and you talk about being ahead of

690
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: your time before you got hurt that season twenty five

691
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: ten and five in a season for a big man.

692
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: Up to that point, you, Barkley, Kareem, and Wilt were

693
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: the only player that were doing that. And I think

694
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: a lot of people look at Anthony Davis and the

695
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: numbers that he was putting up. But there and you

696
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: both were kill or you of Rondo?

697
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: You have Drew?

698
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: Was that the best basketball you think, pound for pound

699
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: you had played in your career up to that point.

700
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: That ever ever?

701
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 4: And it was more so because I could then be

702
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 4: completely who I was as a player, Like I could

703
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 4: flourish and my abilities. And it was crazy because I

704
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 4: was emotional, you know, going to New Orleans and because

705
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: I felt like I got played for whatever reason, Like

706
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 4: it don't really matter now, but I feel like, especially

707
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 4: when it came to the contract situation, when it came

708
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 4: to how much I just endured in my early career

709
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 4: with trying to make it work in Sacramento. They knew

710
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 4: how passionate I was. That's why I was more so

711
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 4: heartbreaking for me. But you know, going to New Orleans,

712
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 4: you know, I was kind of pissed. I'm like, why

713
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: the fuck would you send me to New Orleans? When

714
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 4: Anthony that like like now, I'm like, oh, these motherfucker's

715
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: really trying to ruin me because it's like they're trying

716
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 4: to dim my light with the guy. You know, Ad

717
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 4: had a lot of hype, like you know, what I mean,

718
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: and deservingly so. But it was almost like and at

719
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 4: that time of the trade, it was it was to

720
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: where it was like one A, one B when it

721
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: came to me in a d like who was who

722
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 4: was better? Like so once they traded me down, I'm like, damn,

723
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 4: it's like they're trying to dim my light too, like

724
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 4: but I ended up, you know, just kind of having

725
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 4: a conversation with myself. You know, it's after late, after

726
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 4: the trade. I'm probably up for in the morning, just

727
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 4: trying to figure this shit out.

728
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, this is like I've always.

729
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 4: Beg to just play with a talent, Like I just

730
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: want a talent on the floor with me that I

731
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 4: know it's gonna bring it every fucking And I'm like

732
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 4: I'm sitting here complaining and it was nice. I'm just praying,

733
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 4: like God, just send me some fucking help, man, like

734
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And I'm like my prayers

735
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 4: finally answered and I'm here, I'm now teammates with Anthony Davison.

736
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, like, just gonna make this shit work,

737
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 4: Like You're gonna have to sacrifice a little bit, but

738
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: you've asked to play with a special talent.

739
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: It was delivered to you.

740
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 4: And it may not have been what I was looking for,

741
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 4: but it was still delivered. So I'm like, man, just

742
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 4: be grateful for that and gonna make this shit work.

743
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 4: And I've always based my game off being unselfish, which

744
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 4: I never really got a lot of credit for with

745
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 4: that either. So when it came to like figuring it out,

746
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, shit, I'm figuring out this game.

747
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: I'm seeing his strengths. I'm you know, and I'm mixed.

748
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 4: I'm now combinating to I'm kind of creating this forum

749
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 4: in my head of how we're gonna make this shit work,

750
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: like how I can still remain myself allow him to

751
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 4: be himself and vice versa.

752
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: And we ended up figuring that shit out.

753
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: And I think you fitting in with AD is kind

754
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 3: of the revolution of the big man because we're like,

755
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 3: can too elite big men play together because we're not

756
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: just talking about to you know, one person jump, one

757
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: person's the shot blocker. The more as the skill, y'all

758
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: got like four or five tool belts underneath your bend

759
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: like it playing and playing with a D Did he help?

760
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: Did y'all both help revolutionize or evolve the big man

761
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 3: position because before you put two big dudes down there,

762
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: one gotta play high, one gotta playfl and vice versa.

763
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: Y'all was able, almost able to on a nightly basis,

764
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: change the dichotomy of how the two bigs play together

765
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: on the floor to something.

766
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think we played a part in it

767
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: when it comes to revolution revolutionizing the position, but I'll

768
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 4: never be the guy to see it here and try

769
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: to you know, I started this. I think I think

770
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 4: we've all taken a big of everybody's game of pioneers

771
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 4: in the game. Like I said, I've mentioned so many

772
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: guys that have inspired me as far as how I

773
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 4: want to play the game. And you know, it was

774
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 4: a lot of guys doing this type. But like I said,

775
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 4: even at their time, the game just didn't embrace bigs

776
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 4: being able to play that way. Obviously, when you think

777
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 4: of that, Dirk is one of the first names that

778
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 4: pop up. Like it was foreign to see a player,

779
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: let alone a big shoot a one foot fade away.

780
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: Now you see it every possession in the NBA like that.

781
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 4: It's nothing Now, Like.

782
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 3: I would take it a step farther, DeMarcus if if

783
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: there was a time as a big man. If you

784
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: shot a one foot fade away, they had a couple

785
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: of choice words for you.

786
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: Now you're sitting down on me. You you done, And

787
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: it's a soft ass shot. That's soft ass shot. Get

788
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: to the front of the rim. So yeah to that.

789
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't like Mark Jackson said something or somebody

790
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: says something about Mark Jackson and letting Clay and Steph

791
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: shoot the way they did. They said Mark Jackson was

792
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: the first coach to allow it. Some coach has to

793
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 3: allow the evolution or the new thing to come before,

794
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: because before before, that's a horrible shot.

795
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: Next point too, about the go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

796
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 4: I think that's that's very important because like I said,

797
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 4: that coach isn't ready to embrace something that he's not

798
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 4: accustomed to, or you know, foreign talent that that's never

799
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: been seen before. It's hard to kind of have that

800
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 4: breakthrough or even see or reach your full potential in

801
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 4: your game. But luckily we had a really open minded

802
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: coach and Alvin Gentry, and you know he would embrace it.

803
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 4: Like I'd rather us have free flowing offense with my

804
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: two bigs pushing because if it's a if the opposite

805
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: biggest on a guard me or Ad in the open floor,

806
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 4: or if we're already getting past them in the open

807
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: floor with our ability to handle the ball, for the

808
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: most part, it's gonna be a small protection the rim

809
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 4: or small to finish a round. So we like our chances.

810
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: And you know, we played a really free flowing style

811
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 4: of basketball. We had two incredible teammates and Rondo and

812
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: Drew Holliday that also embraced it. That also helps win.

813
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 4: And obviously you see and Drew with you know, winning

814
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 4: his second championship now and just his impact with that team.

815
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 4: But the biggest thing for me is just his his

816
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 4: love for embracing doing all the smaller things for the team. Okay,

817
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: being with the guy that guard's the best player every night,

818
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 4: being able to play make also make shots.

819
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: And he just loves playing defense.

820
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 4: Like so having a guy like that that's super unselfish

821
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 4: as well, but also can go run a team. It

822
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 4: would be possessions where Drew would get the rebound, he

823
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 4: would literally throw the ball to me, a to me

824
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 4: or a d to bring the ball up. Same thing

825
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: goes to Rondo and Ron and we don't even have

826
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 4: to speak to Rondo because we know how much of

827
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 4: a genes he is when it comes to the game

828
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 4: and him exploit miss matches and things of that nature,

829
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 4: like he's seen plays ten plays ahead. So he was

830
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 4: another guy that embraced, you know, our ability to push

831
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: the ball, make plays in the open court and things

832
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 4: like that. So it was a combination of everybody on

833
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 4: that team, but for the most part it was Alvin

834
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 4: Gentry was just giving us the green light to go,

835
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: you know, do the things that we weren't a custom

836
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 4: and seeing from Bigs.

837
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 3: That kind of brings me to another thought. Buggie big

838
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 3: man skills, guard skills, guards using big man skills and

839
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 3: the game till the game tilting from what it used

840
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: to be before before there was you, there's been a

841
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 3: handful of other players that have been out on the floor,

842
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 3: uh doing you know, pivots, you know what I mean, jabs,

843
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: using you know, dribble crossovers, getting bumps and using wing

844
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: and guard skills. How much of the game have you

845
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: seen that the guards are now using what the big

846
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:15,959
Speaker 3: man were taught, you know, and now it's just being

847
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: pushed out on the floor, playing off two feet, using

848
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: getting getting contact that was the best more of a

849
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: big man thing. There's a couple of guards. There's a

850
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: couple of guards, barn, you know what I mean. He'll

851
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: get into his bop and get into your body, you

852
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But as I've grown up with bed,

853
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: Bed loved the post. Bed could fry anybody on the

854
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 3: posts off of up and unders and hook shots and everything.

855
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: How much have you seen the game? This is gonna

856
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: go into your international experience and what you're seeing in Asia.

857
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: How much of the game has the Guards taken from?

858
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: I know they said that the game is little now

859
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: this is a little man's game. Is it a little

860
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: bit a little man's game? Or have the bigs accepted

861
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: more of what the Guards have been doing as far

862
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 3: as development wise and vice versa.

863
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a little man's game. I think

864
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 4: it's it's evolved into a skilled movement game, like it

865
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: has to be where it's it's elite movement and elite

866
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: skill to go with the movement. So I think that's

867
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 4: where the game is now and whatever fist that mole

868
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: fits that mod. It's not necessarily a little man's game.

869
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 4: But to answer your question.

870
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to put it on the deck. Now.

871
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's funny you said, Johnny, it's literally like the

872
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 4: game just they're a big flip like because when you

873
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 4: look at offense now it's the guards start low, all

874
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 4: the BIG's up the floor in the middle of the

875
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 4: floor now facilitating dribbling whatever that case may be.

876
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: Biggs dropping the guards drop it down to.

877
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 4: It's actually crazy that you even like said like that,

878
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 4: but he is crazy with also how the game is

879
00:46:59,520 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 4: being played.

880
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: It's more so about exploited mismatches.

881
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 4: So if you if you have a six to ten win,

882
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 4: that's a three four can play the two. More so

883
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 4: with Kevin Durant, wherever the fuck he decides to want

884
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: to score the ball from him, that's where he's gonna

885
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 4: receive the ball. For some reason, he enjoys posting up.

886
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 4: So I think it's more so of it does go

887
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 4: to the evolution of the game, because like you said,

888
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 4: it's now six ten guards scoring from the post the

889
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 4: mid range, also being able to shoot the three and

890
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 4: vice versus. It's also big with the same ability. You

891
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 4: got guys like Joel Embiid, Nicole Jokic. So I think

892
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 4: it just it plays a part into the evolution of

893
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 4: the game. It plays a part into the playing style

894
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 4: of the.

895
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: Game, globalization of the game. It's more European.

896
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: It's a lot more European influence in the game. And

897
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 4: we brought up Dirk earlier, Like I said, those one

898
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 4: foot fadeaways, pivot fade away like, that's all dirt, Like,

899
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 4: that's a European style of basketball because the way they

900
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 4: were taught to play the game. They were taught angles,

901
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 4: they were taught the nack of athleticism. So now you

902
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 4: have guys that also have a forty years vert with

903
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 4: the ability to shoot a one foot fade away. So

904
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 4: it's it's it's just it's the influence of the game

905
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 4: from all parts of the world. It's the influence of

906
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: the game of our pioneers that come in that that

907
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 4: came before us. It's a lot of it's a lot

908
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 4: of quem Olajuwon and a lot of people's game, like

909
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 4: a lot of people.

910
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: Like Jalen Brunson seriously, like it's.

911
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 4: All post field, it's all reaction like, so you can

912
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 4: see even a guy you should also get on this,

913
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 4: a Derek Coleman, like one of the most skilled bigs

914
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 4: that ever played the game left year.

915
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 2: I just saw a video of him. He was putting

916
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: the work on. I think Carlos Williamson, you hit him Instagram.

917
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 4: But even when it came to dere Comes, he was

918
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 4: he was one of the more skilled bigs. Lamar Olden

919
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 4: guy that doesn't get a lot of credit. Fact, he's

920
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 4: the in today's game. He's a three hundred million dollar

921
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 4: player bro every year.

922
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he likes Aun Lewis. He was ahead of his game.

923
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: It's a lot of so it's a lot of influence,

924
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 4: Pal Gasol, Mark Gasol, It's a lot of influence from

925
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 4: for guys that played the game early on that that.

926
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 3: Isn't that the isn't that The best thing about this

927
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: hoop ship though, it's just when you think you got

928
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: it and then we can transition to this and talk

929
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: about the international player, it's like you hit it on

930
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 3: the head earlier you said we think of the NBA.

931
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: It's like, that's it. You don't play in the NBA.

932
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 3: That's the highest level of basketball, and you might and

933
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: you suck. But the best thing about it is this,

934
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: maybe like for the NFL, that ship works for Major

935
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 3: League Baseball if your triple A, but like once you

936
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 3: start moving outside of basketball, because it is accessible to

937
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 3: a large part of the world, it kind of opens

938
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: You'll remember, like remember leaving the league and going to

939
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 3: play in China and some of these places and having

940
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: the worst attitude like Man, I'm about to go out

941
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: here and do whatever. Yeah, and then realize I'll be like,

942
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: oh ship, even motherfucker's hooping out here. Like then serious,

943
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, they're not backing down.

944
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 6: They're not they don't give you are over, they don't

945
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 6: give a f bro like wretched on either at all.

946
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 4: The game actually becomes a lot harder because you start

947
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 4: to see the amount of privilege that you have playing

948
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 4: in the NBA compared to like it's not even the

949
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,479
Speaker 4: same calls as the contact is different, Like.

950
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: It is different.

951
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 4: You damn't want to say the game is softer in

952
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 4: the NBA, because it really is. Like overseas you I'll

953
00:50:59,160 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: get to it, bro.

954
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: You can't warm up like I'm gonna turn up in

955
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: the third or nine. Yeah, you gotta get to it

956
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.

957
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 4: So me seeing that, just realizing it, and it's all

958
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 4: it's also kind of put a lot of things into perspective.

959
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 4: For me, because you know how many guys are in

960
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 4: the NBA on an average, let's say three hundred, three

961
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 4: hundred per year, So you mean to tell me after

962
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 4: that three hundred, it's two billion people, three billion people

963
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 4: playing basketball. So out of that three hundred, those are

964
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 4: the most elite of the elite. Like that's how people

965
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 4: think when it comes to NBA overseas life. So it's like,

966
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 4: you mean to tell me, You mean to tell me

967
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 4: the guy that's three hundred and third it's trash because

968
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 4: he's not in that top three hundred, like you know

969
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 4: what I mean.

970
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 1: So for me, it's just like once I saw even.

971
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 4: When I played in the Puerto Rican League, I'm like, yo,

972
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 4: these dudes it's hooping, bro, Like.

973
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 3: They in shaping ship and put it on. I played

974
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 3: in Guadonable too, they in shaping ship. They're taking their

975
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: body seats. They might have a job, bro, They wasting

976
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: a job and hooping. Yeah, that's crazy. They might go

977
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 3: practice offtware where everybody had work work.

978
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: So when this game, they ain't out there bullshitting bro

979
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: like man.

980
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 4: So it's it's it's actually really crazy to see. And

981
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 4: also on top of that, just the amount of talent

982
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: throughout the world that don't get the opportunity to make

983
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 4: the NBA or do kind of make the NBA and

984
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 4: don't get the stick around. It goes back to what

985
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 4: we were speaking about earlier. They might not have had

986
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 4: the chance, They might not have the opportunity, They might

987
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 4: not have had that culture organization that believes.

988
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: In their talents. That don't mean they're not talented.

989
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I can a guy like Dwayne Bacon

990
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 4: who's across the water literally killing every year. He had

991
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 4: a short stand in the NBA, and you look at

992
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 4: him play and he looks like one of the best

993
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 4: players in the world. Because when it comes to his

994
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 4: talent and his abilities, he may absolutely be that he

995
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 4: just didn't have an organization or a system or a

996
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 4: coach that believed in that. That stead doesn't make him

997
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 4: trash because he's not in the top three hundred.

998
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: So you're also you're also a hooper, like you like

999
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: to play like overseas, I think like you could you know,

1000
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: run through you. You can kind of do the shit that

1001
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: you were doing earlier in the league. Right, So I

1002
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 2: think a lot of people when they think about overseas

1003
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: like and maybe some players feel like this, like they

1004
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: care a lot about how people perceive them. That's how

1005
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: we all operate. But you as a hooper, like though, yeah,

1006
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 2: purceued in America, That's what I mean. But when you

1007
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: go over there, like you like to play basketball, you

1008
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: like to win games, you like to shoot the ball. Like,

1009
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: how much joy has it brought you?

1010
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: Has it?

1011
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: Has it improved your mental just being able to play

1012
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: the game of basketball how you want to play and

1013
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: know you can be playing because if you were in

1014
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: the NBA, they would it wouldn't be like that.

1015
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: It actually does.

1016
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 4: You know, you get that joy again, because I mean,

1017
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 4: obviously being in the NBA is an honor, it's a privilege.

1018
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 4: But like I said, when you train your whole life

1019
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 4: to be a Kobe Bryant, to be a Shaquille O'Neil,

1020
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 4: I trained to be a killer growing up. Like when

1021
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 4: I step on the court, I'm here to kill. I'm

1022
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 4: a real head off. You're gonna know how much I wanted.

1023
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 4: You're gonna see it just through my passion alone. That's

1024
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 4: how I train. So to now get to the later

1025
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 4: stages or what they consider the later stages, or after

1026
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 4: I go through a couple of bumps and bruises in

1027
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 4: my career as far as health, It's like, what all

1028
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 4: we want you to do now is you know, rebound,

1029
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 4: you know, defend, And it's just like, I get it.

1030
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do that anyway because I'm an My foundation

1031
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 4: is being a competitor. But I'm also a guy where

1032
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 4: it's like, well, I play to my strengths and if

1033
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 4: you want the best version of me, you got to

1034
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 4: kind of help me play to my strength. So if

1035
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 4: I'm just a guy out here, well, all I want

1036
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 4: you to do is rebound, and well, I'm gonna do

1037
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 4: it to the best of my ability, but it's not

1038
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 4: gonna be where you're getting the best version of the

1039
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 4: markets or what you would consider the best version. So

1040
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 4: being in a situation where I know I can be

1041
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 4: who I am as a basketball player, I can have

1042
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 4: my effect on the game, it is satisfying.

1043
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: It feels that void.

1044
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 4: Obviously, it scratches that itch of one to be a competitor,

1045
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 4: because you know, I've enjoyed this these new steps.

1046
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: In my life.

1047
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 4: I'm being home more, I'm able to be more of

1048
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 4: a father with just being able to give more of

1049
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 4: my time and I've enjoyed it so much. This is

1050
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 4: one of the most precious times of my life right now.

1051
00:55:53,800 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 4: And even between all that, I got that itch just

1052
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 4: like Bro, I'm i gotta go ho, Bro, Like you

1053
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I won't go play for something.

1054
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 4: I want to be around that team Carider. So, like

1055
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 4: I said, it does feel that void in that itch.

1056
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 4: But for the most part, just being able to be

1057
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 4: myself and doing what I do on the floor, that's

1058
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 4: the most.

1059
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: That's end especially therapeutic.

1060
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: For anybody, for an NBA player, and me.

1061
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: Right, it's therapeutic for me. It's it's art.

1062
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 4: Like I've worked on this craft for so long, bro,

1063
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 4: so for me to just put my paint brush up,

1064
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 4: you know, drastically, like that's just not really a lot. Yes,

1065
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 4: I'm still out here painting pictures, Bro, you know what

1066
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 4: I mean, somebody that's like my art, somebody somebody going

1067
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 4: by my art.

1068
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: Bro.

1069
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you just want to title in Timewaan you

1070
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: won finals m v P. Can we How big is

1071
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: basketball in China slash Yes.

1072
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 4: Just in the Asian market. I mean, Bro, honestly, basketball

1073
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 4: is big everywhere, Like.

1074
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 2: It's big everywhere. But do you know that there's more

1075
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: NBA fans in China than there are people in America.

1076
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I've pulled up to some of these gyms

1077
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 4: just for like pick up. I've never seen the way

1078
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: they fill up a gym for basketball when we come

1079
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 4: over is I've never seen anything like it.

1080
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 3: I think insane. This is a good transition, Dylan. I

1081
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 3: think that's what happened is Steph, Steph a lot like

1082
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 3: yourself and me and Dylan talked about this before. Dylan

1083
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 3: made a great analogy and Steph a lot like yourself,

1084
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 3: pushed out a little early for different reasons injury, YadA YadA,

1085
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: little early, goes over there to China, wins a championship,

1086
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 3: don't never come back home.

1087
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: He got a statue, he got a key to Beijing,

1088
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: he has a motion picture. They said that he's the

1089
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: most famous American celebrity in China, not just athlete, but

1090
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: talk about Brad Pitt like movie star. It's Steph Marbury.

1091
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: Have you talked to him.

1092
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: I haven't had a chance to talk to him, but.

1093
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 4: You know, when I decided to kind of start taking

1094
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 4: this route with my career, he was definitely the top

1095
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 4: of the list as far as an inspiration to do so,

1096
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 4: and you know you're gonna always deal with adversity.

1097
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: You can always go through shit in life.

1098
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 4: But for me, it's like, how do you make the

1099
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 4: best of those situations that come about? And I think

1100
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 4: that's the way you should kind of maneuver through life

1101
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 4: because it's always gonna be some shit, you know what

1102
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 4: I mean, So just make the best of whatever comes

1103
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 4: your way. And you know, some opportunity is better than

1104
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 4: no opportunity. So I got an opportunity. I have plenty

1105
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 4: opportunities to continue to play the game that I love.

1106
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 4: And it's like and it also took some self reflection

1107
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 4: and putting my ego aside because it's like, nah, I'm

1108
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 4: an NBA player and that's well, it's like where you're

1109
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 4: wasting away and at the same time, you being so

1110
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 4: egotistical about it, you're only growing your own womb, that

1111
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: wound of or that feeling of you know, being a

1112
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 4: at or or you're being ate away of Man, I

1113
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 4: want to go play basketball, so I'm only I'm only

1114
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 4: adding to that wound by allowing my ego.

1115
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 1: To prevent me from going to do what I love.

1116
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 4: So it took some self reflection getting past that and

1117
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 4: I and I, you know, I researched some of my

1118
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 4: Berri's like accomplishments and kind of read up on his store,

1119
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 4: and it's just like, damn. Like and obviously Marberry he

1120
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 4: was one of those guys with me growing up, Like

1121
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 4: he's one of those guys, you know what I mean,

1122
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 4: with a flash, with just everything to swag. He got

1123
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 4: that boogie in his game, like sure, Steph. Marburry was

1124
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 4: one of those guys. And you know, just seeing how

1125
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 4: he made the best of his situation, it's just like

1126
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 4: we Damn, why can't I do the same thing, you

1127
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Or shit, just tried it, bro,

1128
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 4: Like what's wrong with Trump?

1129
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like this could end up

1130
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: being something you fall in love with facts, So you know,

1131
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to.

1132
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 4: I don't want to look back ten, fifteen years, twenty years.

1133
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 4: You know, I'm just like, damn, I should have did

1134
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 4: that shit. And then I'm suffering even more trying to

1135
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 4: heal his wound because I missed the last five ten

1136
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 4: years of my life playing basketball. Like you know, when

1137
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 4: I when I do decide to hang them up, I

1138
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 4: know I always have that hitch. Obviously, I always, but

1139
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 4: I don't want it to be where I'm living with

1140
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 4: regret with like, damn, man, I should have just kept playing,

1141
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because we got plenty homers

1142
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 4: that that that's done, that they hit a little adversity,

1143
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 4: or we know people with stories, but they hit a

1144
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 4: little adversity and they just you know, they give it up,

1145
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 4: like you know what I mean, and then you talk

1146
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 4: to them down the line. It's just like, man, I

1147
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 4: should have just kept going. I don't want to have

1148
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 4: those type of conversations. I don't I don't want to

1149
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 4: live with that type of regret. So, like I said,

1150
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just always make the best of my situations.

1151
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 3: Shout out to the Asian leagues. Man, I know that y'all.

1152
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: Y'all don't know y'all people that are for fans and

1153
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 3: forgotten seasons, and the Asian leaguess been healing a lot

1154
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 3: of former NBA players. You go back out there, and

1155
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 3: I was just I was like, man, I equal it,

1156
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 3: uh uh equally. It's almost as equally to the high school.

1157
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 3: You go out there and then you forget, like like

1158
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 3: for me, I was like, like you said, you're gonna

1159
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 3: pick o, play defense, run the floor. When I was

1160
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 3: out to China, I could bring it up. You know,

1161
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 3: nobody was tripping. They would be like.

1162
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: Shoot it, shoot it, yeah, what you mean shooting?

1163
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can shoot this motherfuckers many times as.

1164
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: If going too you know what I mean.

1165
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 3: That's so much healing after you, especially, you know, big

1166
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 3: man mature later. So I started knocking down my fifteen

1167
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 3: and doing my boogie cousin shit later, Like after I

1168
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 3: came from China, all that ship, I'd opened it up

1169
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 3: for me. Everything other was I got to make this team.

1170
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 3: So I got to be the run the floor, rebound,

1171
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 3: handed to the guard, run down there, set the screen,

1172
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's a cool existence when

1173
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 3: you want to stay in the league and keep the

1174
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 3: checks going. But I remember going out to some of

1175
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 3: them Asian leagues, Puerto Rico. Uh, it was a good

1176
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 3: stop for me. I was like, damn, my barley was good.

1177
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 3: It was a little gangster and that's good. It's some

1178
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 3: great bump, no freak that in shape there. Yeah, they're

1179
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 3: letting a little bit NBA talent out. There is Tyreek

1180
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 3: over there, Tyreek Evans.

1181
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyreek was there. Like, I don't know where I haven't.

1182
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 4: I haven't heard from Tarrek in a few years. I

1183
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 4: don't know where Tarrek is.

1184
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 3: I'm thinking something on Instagram with him cooking somewhere overseas.

1185
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know where.

1186
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 2: Ye Tyreek Evans Man, what do you remember? What was

1187
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 2: it like playing with him? And why didn't that could

1188
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 2: have been the next two of it? Cal Harry guys

1189
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: Reek Havoc.

1190
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: He was that guy. Man, it was.

1191
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 4: It was just also he kind of got caught up

1192
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 4: in that era because it was the game was starting

1193
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 4: to transition and with you being a combo Tarrek when

1194
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 4: he came, he was considered a combo guard, like a

1195
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 4: combo playmaking guard. He wasn't a point guard, but he

1196
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 4: wasn't a shooting guard either, because he could die, he

1197
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 4: could play make all of those things.

1198
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: So he was a shooting guard. He was.

1199
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 4: He was a point guard with a shooting guard's body

1200
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 4: ship damn near a small forwards body. Super talented. He

1201
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 4: just got caught up in the game to where if

1202
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 4: you had the ball in your hands as a guard,

1203
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 4: you had to really be able to shoot it because

1204
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 4: guys like Steph were changing the game, Damian Lily were

1205
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 4: changing the game, like the game was just starting to

1206
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 4: switch in so, you know, guys like James things of

1207
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 4: that nature. So I think it was more so him

1208
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 4: getting caught up in the era and then also injury.

1209
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: Like uh, he.

1210
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 4: His game relied a lot on athleticisms outside of his

1211
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 4: you know, his handling things like that. So once he

1212
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 4: kind of dealt with the knee injury, I don't I'm

1213
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 4: not saying where he's not still in the NBA player

1214
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 4: because I absolutely think so. Even with his time going out,

1215
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 4: it was just once you get on that side of

1216
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 4: things and then you kind of start to bounce around.

1217
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 4: He ended up in Indiana. Does the organization still believe

1218
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 4: in you? Do they believe in you? It's that type situation,

1219
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 4: And obviously he got into trouble with the suspension or whatever,

1220
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 4: so that kind of just puts the cherry on the top,

1221
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But man, that's one of

1222
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 4: the coldest he's been called his whole life too. That's

1223
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 4: the crazy Tyreek been cold his whole life, bro Like

1224
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 4: for real, man, he was one and done right, yeah,

1225
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 4: Memphis wanting done.

1226
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Recavoc manh Venezuela. Yeah, is he in Venezuela.

1227
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 2: Last year he was on the Broncos. The it's just

1228
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 2: as the Venice. But yeah, I think you think you

1229
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 2: got some catching up to do to Jolani in the

1230
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 2: China League. I think, what's what was your season high

1231
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: in Taiwan?

1232
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: Maybe like thirty eight, something like that.

1233
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: Thirty Johnny got a forty forty one piece.

1234
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 4: I ain't in no competition, bron.

1235
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 3: Me and me and Bookie coutains Man. I found we

1236
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 3: found that out. We found out on some steps over

1237
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 3: the last couple of years.

1238
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1239
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 3: Lost so a boogie, got boogie, got buckets on the

1240
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 3: main stage.

1241
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Ship, you know we can line it up

1242
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 4: Jilani like we can always Mono mano.

1243
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: You know.

1244
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 3: But behind closed doors, you know, when we were all ATSPN,

1245
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 3: I would take our our lineup against anybody's in in media.

1246
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 3: Fuck with media, media, I don't care. Yeah, our lineup

1247
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 3: is crazy. We got we got Hall of famers, we

1248
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: got bench player, we got we got players who could

1249
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,439
Speaker 3: play four or five positions. I'll take out well, I'll

1250
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 3: even put you out there with us dealing.

1251
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: Ship. Appreciate it. I got I mean put in the

1252
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: corner dealing who were pulling up against.

1253
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 3: Name it the entertainers, run y'all got a platform, uninterrupted,

1254
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 3: whatever y'all.

1255
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: Whatever it would.

1256
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 2: Nate could bring back that suit style too. Yeah, the

1257
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,919
Speaker 2: hell of an outfit head coach.

1258
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, they could head coach. He give me a

1259
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: head coach suited and booted man ship.

1260
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time, man, This was

1261
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: this was great for sure.

1262
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 3: You in Vegas, Yeah, we'd be going to hoop and trail.

1263
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come out there and hoop and train with me.

1264
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1265
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a little set up, but I got

1266
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:53,439
Speaker 4: a strength and conditioning God.

1267
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: Then we go. I leave there, go get my skill work.

1268
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: I do that ship every day. Man.

1269
01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 3: I would love to be in a in a boogie

1270
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,919
Speaker 3: bookie session that's going there and work on some ship.

1271
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1272
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm breaking here, I'm with it.

1273
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 5: I'm willing yeah.

1274
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 6: H