1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: hot pursuit. 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: All right. We have an amazing guest on today, and 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: I mean for gearheads that have been around for a while, 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: it is going to be exciting. I think a lot 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: of younger people aren't gonna know Dario Franketi because he 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: stopped racing like a decade ago and he had kind 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: of a celebrity lifestyle that it may have calmed down 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: to some extent, but he's still active in the motorsports world. 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: Oh, he's like Automotive Royalty, I would say, I mean, 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: talk about a championship driver. He won everything, I feel 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: like in like two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, Like I know, he won several 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: Indy five hundreds, and I mean he comes from a 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: family of car people. It's so cool. 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is awesome. And he's stayed in as an 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: announcer and a commentator obviously, but there was a time 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: when I think it was so interesting because he was 19 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: winning all these American race series. Everyone assumes that he 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: was Italian. 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: Well with the name like Dario frankaty right. 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: And he like I remember got married in a castle 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: in Scotland. It turns out he is from Scotland, but 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: he married a Hollywood actress for a while, Ashley Judd. 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: So it's just, you know, one of those sort of 26 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: tabloid superstars. 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: It sounds glamorous. Yeah, yeah, it sounds really glamorous. But 28 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: he's also such a nice person on a human level, 29 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: and he's really interesting to talk to, like we're really 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I want to talk to him about this 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: new Gordon Murray T fifty supercar that he is developing, 32 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: because that is so you know, it's like the natural 33 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: progression of a championship race car driver who's now developing 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: basically a race car you can drive on the street, 35 00:01:58,720 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: which is super cool. 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: And one that car enthusiasts will want to as well, because, 37 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: as you were telling me before we started this recording, 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 2: it's got a manual transmission, which is right now such 39 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 2: a difficult thing to find even among like high dollar supercars. 40 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know what I was this last week 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: and I went to preview a few cars at RM 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: Soethereby's that are going to be sold in Monterey, and 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: I was asking the guys, hey, you know, how are 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: you evaluating cars with manu transmissions, cars from the nineties 45 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: and early two thousands, and they're like, the demand for 46 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: them is incredible through the roof. Everybody wants them. It's 47 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: only going to get more intense as you know, the 48 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: pool of manual gearboxes gets smaller and smaller, They're going 49 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: to be even more rare and even more desirable. 50 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: So my kid brother, actually one of my younger brothers, 51 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: is looking for a Ferrari or an Aston Martin or 52 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: some kind of like two thousand to twenty ten, you know, 53 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: high end sports car that now is much more reasonably 54 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: priced than it would have been back then. And he 55 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: always sends me these classified ads or bring a trailer, 56 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: you know, pieces when he finds something that he thinks 57 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: would be nice. And one thing I can't get around 58 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: is so many people try and pretend that a car 59 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: is manual, even though it has like a Ferrari F 60 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: one transmission, so it's got the sequential gearbox or the 61 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: paddle shifters. And every time I point out, oh, that's 62 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: actually not a manual, and he's like, ah, what a bummer, 63 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: no wonder, it's so cheap you can get like a 64 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: Ferrari H three point fifty five, right, so much cheaper 65 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: or any of those from that era. If it's got 66 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: the f one gearbox because no one wants it. If 67 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: it has the manual gearbox, then it's gonna cost twice 68 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: as much. 69 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: Of course, and someone else reminded me of this manual 70 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: gearbox is a great theft deterrent because no one can 71 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: drive them. 72 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: Right, that's interesting. I hadn't really thought about. That's a 73 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: good point. And other people always say it's also a 74 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: great way to stop people driving while using mobile phones 75 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: because you don't have time text. Right. Oh yeah, you 76 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: know what I want to talk quickly about before we 77 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: get Dario on the line is car sales and earnings 78 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: have been so bad over the last couple of weeks 79 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: for most of the companies that we've been reporting on. 80 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 2: Obviously General Motors was a big standout, but that didn't 81 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: help it at all in the stock market. It's still 82 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: got crushed, but not as badly as Ford. And then 83 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: you got Lamborghini, which I read a little blurb. I 84 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: guess it was based on your story on my television show, 85 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: and they did well. Obviously they're sold out for quarters 86 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: to come, but they said they're taking a balanced approach 87 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: to evs, which I thought was funny. The balance is 88 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: that they don't make. 89 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Or that's code. They's code for not doing any electric vehicles. 90 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: For a while. 91 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: It's really interesting for a wild Lamborghini look like they 92 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: were going to be the dinosaur among everybody else, you know, 93 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: dragging their feet, not just absolutely not doing anything to 94 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: advance themselves and evolve in the EV world. But now 95 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're looking pretty smart because they 96 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: really held back and held off, and admittedly they have 97 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: that luxury. They really only you know, first half of 98 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: this year they only delivered fifty five hundred vehicles around 99 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: the world, so obviously it's a really small automaker, but 100 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: they did have the luxury of being able to hold off, 101 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: and now it's making them look really smart. 102 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: It kind of mirrors the Mega producers because I remember 103 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: last year everybody was writing these hand ringing articles about Toyota, like, 104 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: oh my goodness, they have no EV strategy, they haven't 105 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: planned well for the future. They've shot themselves in the 106 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: foot by not, you know, anundating the market with electric vehicles, 107 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: and lo and behold, they turn out to do the 108 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: best because they have the most hybrids, and yeah, nobody 109 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: really wants an Evy except for the people who already have. 110 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: One, right, you know. Mante Remec came out and said 111 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: recently that they are having a little bit of trouble 112 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: selling uh their ev hypercar. So you know, I think it's, 113 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: like we've said before, it's a really interesting time. And 114 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: Lamborghini has basically said, we're going to try to sit 115 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: in this hybrid space as long as possible. Our customers 116 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: aren't asking for it, we don't necessarily want or need 117 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: to do it. There's there's no reason to do it 118 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: for us, So we're gonna kind of camp out here 119 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 1: for a while. 120 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: Just even though the Remeac can go faster than any 121 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: other car in reverse, don't they have the world record 122 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: for the fastest reverse? 123 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, and I think Bentley just set the record 124 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: for the fastest underwater, but you know, underwater, Yeah, they 125 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: send to be a bit obscure. 126 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: That's I would have I would have imagined the Lotus 127 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: Spree is the fastest underwater car after Gaming. 128 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: Great Cameo, Great Cameo. 129 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: Lotus, though not owned by Folkswagen in a way like Remac, 130 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 2: Bentley and Lamborghini. They're all connected through a strange holding 131 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: structure of Portia and Bugatti, right. 132 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: True, it is really complicated. And now you could even 133 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: throw Rivian in the mix, because not that there's ownership necessarily, 134 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: but you know there's investment that we've seen from VW 135 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: into Rivian too, And it's funny. Yeah, I asked, oh yeah. 136 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say guy first, and. 137 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: Then well, I you know, I asked Matte, uh, you know, 138 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: how he felt about Rivian sort of joining the family, 139 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: and and he, you know, he's such a genuinely nice person. 140 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: This was a very I thought, reserved answer for him 141 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: and even calculated, which he just he's so great to 142 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: talk to you because he's very genuine and he doesn't 143 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: feel media trained, which is wonderful. But he kind of 144 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: just said, you know, wish them luck and we'll see. 145 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: So it's interesting. It kind of made me think, I 146 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: wonder what's going on behind the scenes when now you 147 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: know VW has multiple electric component developers and providers underneath 148 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: its umbrella. All the while evs are feeling volatile right now. 149 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's it will be so interesting to see 150 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: it play out. Meanwhile, Lamborghini is basically making their entire 151 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: lineup hybrid. The Euris Hybrid is debuting in Monterey in 152 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: like two weeks. The Ribolto Hybrid is out already. I'm 153 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: going to be driving it in a few weeks in Monterey, 154 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 1: and then the Hurricane successor that they're also going to 155 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: announce in Monterey is going to be hybrid. So it's interesting. 156 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: Eight. So wait, when were you talking to mate Remac? 157 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: How did I miss that? 158 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: Well, it was it's for something I'm going to write 159 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: in the future around their the car that they're going 160 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: to show in Monterey. But it was just a round 161 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: table the other the other day. 162 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: When is Monterey exactly? I'm starting to see more and 163 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 2: more yes around. 164 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: So Monterey Car Week starts basically August, call it August thirteenth. 165 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: That's a Tuesday, and then the main concord, the Pebble 166 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: Beach Concord Delegance, is on that Sunday. I think it's 167 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: a seventeenth, so it's early this year, so. 168 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: That'll be interesting. And we're going to get also Lucid 169 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: Earnings out before that. Lucid Earnings, Oh boy, I'm going 170 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 2: to get the CEO Peter Rollinson on my show good, 171 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: so I'm excited to talk to him about it. And 172 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: this is another one of these sort of high price 173 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: luxury ev products that everybody raves about when they drive it. 174 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: But you know, people aren't buying in volume, right, so 175 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see how they do. And I 176 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 2: also want to talk to you about the Rivian after 177 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: we're done to wait. 178 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: With are you? 179 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: We could start by talking about IndyCar because obviously F 180 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: one has gotten so popular over the last few years, 181 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: especially helped by Drive to Survive. But there couldn't have 182 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: been a greater juxtaposition for me when I was watching 183 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: the Indy five hundred, which was like an amazing heart 184 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: stopping finish this year, and then I think Monte Carlo 185 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: is at the same time, so Monico is like the 186 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: most boring race I'd ever seen. What do you think about? 187 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,239 Speaker 2: What do you think IndyCar needs to be vaulted into, 188 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: you know, back to the status that it used to have. 189 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: Does it need a drive to survive? 190 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: I think it was at one point that was offered 191 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 3: and at the time the regime turned it down. The 192 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: guys that were running it, he said, no, I don't 193 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 3: think we want that. I think if you look at 194 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 3: what Drives to Survivor has done, it's incredible, isn't it. 195 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: I mean in the US, you know, obviously they've double 196 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 3: there for fifteen years, you talked about F one with anybody, 197 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: they just didn't know where it was, and now it 198 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: is absolutely huge. So yeah, Drive to Survivor has done 199 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 3: a heck of a job for them. Fantastic racers, They've 200 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 3: got great drivers, great teams. That's a good product, and 201 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: so yeah, and then next year they've got a UTV 202 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: deal with all the races on network on Fox, So 203 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: that's pretty cool. 204 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: Dario, I'm curious, you know, I know you've worked with 205 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: Andretti Racing of course, and Andre Didy has made a 206 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: bid to join Formula one. Do you think that would 207 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: really help Americans get even more interested in F one? 208 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: And maybe that would also extend to Indy. 209 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 3: I think a rising tide lifts all boats, doesn't it. 210 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 3: And the Dretty name is huge, and so I think 211 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: it would be a win win, a win win win, 212 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: actually win for IndyCar, win for F one, and certainly 213 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 3: a win for the Mdretty organization. But there's just there 214 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 3: seems a bit of a roadblock, right now, and I 215 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: understand the teams F one teams fighting for their slice 216 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: of the pier. They don't want their slice of the 217 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 3: party get smaller. I get that. But if you can 218 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: sort that out, then I don't see what the what 219 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: the problem is with having another team in there, because 220 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: sometimes twenty cars in some of the circuits it looks 221 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: a little sparse. Yeah, I think it'd be exciting for 222 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: the fans throughout the world, obviously in the US especially. 223 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: You know, you have a really interesting perspective as a 224 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: European who also lived in the States and has been 225 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: sort of on both sides of European racing and American 226 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: style racing and attitudes. Is there a certain attitude that 227 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: Europeans have when they think of Americans in general, like 228 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: just that we're like the teenagers of the car world 229 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: and we don't really get left. Yeah, you know, it's 230 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: like we're a bit pop culture. No. 231 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: I think if you go into any sport, any country, 232 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: any large group of people, basically you will find ones 233 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: that have got, you know, an opinion, setting their ways, 234 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: and that there are certain I think in any formula, 235 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: there certain people that think that you know, in the 236 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 3: US and only turn left people in you know, IndyCar 237 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 3: and NASCAR. I think sometimes the F one that is 238 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 3: sort of it's so we test or whatever. But I'm 239 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: a race fan. I love watching all types of racing. 240 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: I grew up with a lot of the guys that 241 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 3: are in someone's running the sport now, whether it's an 242 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 3: F one, whether it's in a NASCAR and certainly an indiecar, 243 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 3: and they're all good people, and they're all racing people. 244 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: But you know, sometimes vested interests get involved, and obviously 245 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 3: when there's so much money involved, then yeah, we never 246 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: really get the true story everything. 247 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to watch all kinds of racing two 248 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: from uh NASCAR and India to F one and I 249 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: like to watch the Australian V eight. So I like 250 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: to watch British Superbike. I love Moto GP more than 251 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 2: almost anything, but if if the vehicle doesn't make noise 252 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: for some reason, I have almost zero interest. I've even 253 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: been to a Formula E race, which was cool, but 254 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: it's not the kind of thing that I would like 255 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: subscribe to. You know, what's the future of racing look like? If? 256 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: I mean, am I just too old? Dario? Do you 257 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: think that the kids are gonna like silent racing. 258 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Darry you you commentate on formula you don't you? Yeah? 259 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: You know. 260 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 3: I think I did three races this year in FEE 261 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: and I think it's great racing. Again, I'll watch anything, 262 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: I'll watch any type of so, but I think it's 263 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: I've been there an FEE, I was there since the 264 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: start ten years now, and I think, yeah, it's great. 265 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: It's great racing, great drivers, all that sort of stuff. 266 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 3: But I do struggle when I watch it as a spectator. 267 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 3: I do struggle with the lack of noise. But I 268 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: would talk to the fans. I'd say them, hey, do 269 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: you not missed the noise with V twelve or V 270 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: sixteen or am I ten screaming away? And they'd say, 271 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: I don't know what that sounds like. So I think 272 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: in some ways we might be too old. But fie 273 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: is is a part of the solution of the future, 274 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: which I'll we say, but I think you're going to 275 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: have a sports car with the hybrid systems. You're going 276 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: to have indye car now hybrid F one and when 277 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: that's sustainable fuel, I don't know, but I don't think 278 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: everybody's just going to gravitate towards electric cars. You know, 279 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 3: it's a certain same thing with the supercar business. You've 280 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: got to have I think the noise, the eternal combustion 281 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 3: engine gives the gives the car a soul. And as 282 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: an old, old racing fan, I remember going to to 283 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: Silverstone in the nineties as a kid that was trying 284 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 3: to climb that ladder and a car fire up and 285 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: the garbage and you were still approaching the circuit from it. 286 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: You were still outside the circuit and the car would 287 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: just fire up in the garage and you'd hear the noise, 288 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: and it was the ground and shape that was the 289 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: most incredible experience. And you know, when you see thirty 290 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: three cars Indianapolis fire off then in the turn one 291 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 3: on the first lap is tap for mind blowing. So 292 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: I really really hope we've been nobody who's that. 293 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the T fifty now because 294 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: it seems like you're describing something that I hope you're 295 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: working to achieve with the T fifty, and it seems 296 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: like maybe that's part of the philosophy of the car. 297 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: Can you just tell us a little bit about the 298 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: car and your roles specifically, are you the development driver 299 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: and doing other things too. 300 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: Maybe first also a little history of what Gordon Murray 301 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: has done. And you know, I don't think the average 302 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: UH car lover is going to necessarily know him as 303 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: well as people who are read in. So what's Gordon 304 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: Murray all about, Dario and how did you get involved 305 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: with them? 306 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: So Gordon Murray designer started and came from South Africa 307 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: and very early I think he was in his early twenties, 308 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: took over his chief designer Brabham and created some of 309 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: the most iconic fund designs. Left Brabham after a couple 310 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: of World Championships, moved over to McLaren worked there kind 311 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: of you know again one World Championships with a couple 312 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: of guys called Senna and prost Tuber. 313 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: I've heard of them, yeah, yeah, and then. 314 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: He yess he wanted a new challenge. So with Ron 315 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: Dennis at McLaren and mans Roje, they came up with 316 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 3: the idea for them or Gordon to help for the idea, 317 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 3: but got those guys to buy to buy into it 318 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 3: and they made the McLaren F one and that was 319 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 3: Gordon's first first rule car. And you know he did 320 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 3: the SLR as well with with with Mercedes, with McLaren 321 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 3: and Mercedes, and then he went on as his own 322 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 3: end twenty nineteen. I guess he decided it's time, it's 323 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 3: time for another Cardinal McLaren F one considered one of 324 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 3: the greatest cars of all time. We just smashed all 325 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 3: records and it was just such an incredible, incredible car. 326 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: He decided, Okay, I made some mistakes with that, and 327 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 3: I want to I want to do, I want to 328 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 3: I want to read, I want to try some I 329 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: want to try and with all the modern technology that involved, 330 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 3: I think they'll make a car that's even more engaging. 331 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 3: And that's where T fifty came in. 332 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: So tell us how you came to know Gordon. I mean, 333 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm assuming just through the racing world. And then how 334 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: did you come to this role? 335 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 3: And Gordon and I never actually met when when he 336 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 3: was designing racing cars and I was racing. I used 337 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 3: to see him at these events and I was up. 338 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 3: This is sort of six and a half foot tall guy. 339 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 3: And I killed his black Pan Dinners in London. It 340 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: every December at the end of the season. But I 341 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 3: was always in AWE was a little scared to talk 342 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: to him. Anyway, we did some filming I guess back 343 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: about ten years ago, and we got on pretty well. 344 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: So when he was looking for someone to to help 345 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 3: with launch T fifty, because just T fifty launch happened 346 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 3: just at the start of COVID, my name came up. 347 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 3: So he phoned the house. I had no idea. My 348 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 3: wife was standing basically sent to me, someone on the 349 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 3: phone for you, and she was holding about the phone saying, 350 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 3: some one on the phone, who is it? I don't know, 351 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 3: it's Gordon. And I was literally reading a book about 352 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 3: Nicki Louder at the time. Nicki was one of the 353 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: drivers that Gordon worked with, and it was basically saying 354 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 3: in the book Gordon was really upset because Nicki decided 355 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: he had enough and we walked out on the team. 356 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: And at that Ellie said, yeah, Gordon, which Gordon, I 357 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: don't nobody seems nice. And that was Gordon Murray on 358 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 3: the phone saying how would you do this? And it 359 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 3: was just being bizarre that I was reading reading about 360 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: it in a book at that very moment. So I 361 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 3: came along bit to launch, but I said I wanted 362 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 3: to get more involved with him in the development of 363 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: this this incredible car, because he is He's an absolute 364 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 3: genius and he's a hero of mine. 365 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: Did COVID set back the planning? You sort of mentioned 366 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: that this was all percolating and then COVID hit has 367 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: that reoriented just the timeline on everything? 368 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, yeah, absolutely right. You know, we had these 369 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 3: carbon tubs in manufacture for the car that we couldn't 370 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 3: get they were locked up in the factory. Everybody was 371 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 3: working from home as well, Gordon Murray Automotive, which slowed 372 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 3: the design and development process. So we ended up having 373 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: to use a mule car, the engine gearbox of the 374 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: whole drive train into a mule car to get things 375 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: up and running as well. So it definitely delayed the 376 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 3: whole project like quite a bit. But you know, it 377 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: was one of those situations we we had the issue 378 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: and we just had to find a way around it 379 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: and just but the cars are now out got twenty 380 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 3: I think twenty, just over twenty cars now out on 381 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 3: I've gone out of production and are in the hands 382 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: of customers. I've been delivered to customers out of the 383 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 3: one hundred cars that we're going to build. 384 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: Of of T fifty, how do you read it? 385 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 3: That's incredible. I mean it's that's a bottle one. 386 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: Have you really bought one? 387 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: It's the first time I drove it, way back in 388 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 3: those early days. I only had a six thousand dar 389 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: PM Revelent at the time at rested twelve thousand dar 390 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 3: PM's got a lovely V twelve engine in that rev 391 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 3: to twelve. So even at six thousand, as soon as 392 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 3: I've driven up and you have made a mistake not 393 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 3: buying one when Gordon offered it a couple of years previously, 394 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 3: it's the most incredible car. It's nine hundred and ninety 395 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 3: seven kilos, so just below twenty two hundred pounds. 396 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 2: Wow. 397 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: But the size of a Porsche Boxter seats three people. 398 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: It's small. 399 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's small. 400 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: Sense that was because I'm thinking three people, it's going 401 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: to be a really long, big supercar. 402 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: Wait, does it see three people in the same configuration 403 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: that the F one does? So, like exactly one in 404 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: the middle and then two is slightly behind. 405 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 3: Slightly back, so when you're going really quickly you can 406 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 3: see their feet in your eye lines when to work 407 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: the break pedal. It's not there. 408 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: It's so cool. 409 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: Why does he choose that configuration? Is it just because 410 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: it was made so famous by the McLaren f one 411 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 2: or is there any reason other than that. 412 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense if you've driven a single seat 413 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 3: race part makes perfect sense because then everything is symmetrical. 414 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 3: You're you know, when you're driving a car in the 415 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: US left side over here in the UK right hand side, 416 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 3: when you turn one way, it feels different than turning 417 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 3: the other way. You've got the a pillar and shooting 418 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: into your view when you turn left. For instance, this car, 419 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 3: because you've got a central driving position, it's completely symmetrical 420 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 3: left left to right. It helps you be even more 421 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 3: involved in the car. But I'd say that one of 422 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 3: the real usp of what we're doing at Gordon Marney. 423 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 3: We're doing our own thing. We're doing small cars, lightweight cars. 424 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: Everything else is getting bigger and heavier and chasing numbers. 425 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 3: We've got some pretty impressive numbers with the car, but 426 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: it's all about lightweight and efficiency and the driving experience 427 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 3: of the car. 428 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: And this is a manual gearbox as well, correct. 429 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, six speed, six speed manuals, so you're fully immersed 430 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 3: when you're driving the thing, you're not thinking about anything else. 431 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 3: A platform driving, it's a modern car that to me 432 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: gives you the emotions of driving old cars. And I'll drive, 433 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 3: obviously a modern car every day to and from wherever 434 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 3: I'm going, and I'm kind of switch off, but I 435 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 3: want to be immersed in the experience. And that's one 436 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 3: of the one of the things I think we've as 437 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 3: a group, we've really hit, We've really managed to do it. 438 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: Was there any doubt that this would be a manual transmit. 439 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: The same you know these other supercars that are in 440 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: the same price range, and I imagine it's what it's 441 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 2: like between three and four million dollars right to buy it. 442 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: Everybody else seems to have gone manual at this point. 443 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean maybe PEGANI doesn't. But you know what made 444 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 2: you go manual? 445 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: It's about driving interaction, It's about working with three pedals, 446 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 3: the clutch, blipping, the throttle, just the actual art of 447 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: driving a car. To me, that's a manual gearbox if 448 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 3: you're going for out like right lap time, and that's fine. 449 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 3: We've got a T fifty s, which is a track car, 450 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 3: which is completely unhinged, loaded down for it's even lighter, 451 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: more power, but it's a paddle gearbox. Because we're just 452 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 3: going for lap time. The fact for whereas fifty is 453 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: again it's about that expedience of of of driving the 454 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 3: car and you need you need that lable manual gearbox 455 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 3: to do that. I'm just looking in the garage here. 456 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 3: Every one of the cars. Yeah, every one of the 457 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 3: cars is a manual gearbox. 458 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: This is in your your personal garage. 459 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So what are you looking at it there? 460 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I've read about some of your vehicles. I 461 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 2: know you have a nine to eleven R, which I 462 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: think is one of the greatest porsches in recent memory. 463 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 2: And I heard something about a Fiat Huno. Did you 464 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: ever find one of those? 465 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? My first car, my first, my first car ever 466 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: had the turbo, but it had disintegrated into dust. So 467 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 3: that's unfortunately gone. But some of the cars up in Scotland, 468 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 3: my authority that I've had for a long time up 469 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 3: in sunny Scotland, the ton of Spiders in London at 470 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 3: the moment, the three five five spider here that I've 471 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: had from New gt into gray Aston, Martin Advantage nineteen 472 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 3: eighty advantage. 473 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: Oh sing a serious car. 474 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: A singer actually, you know what, this is a great 475 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 2: point that I want to talk about for a minute, 476 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: because Hannah and I debate all the time the value 477 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: of arresto mod. What do you think about that idea 478 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: of taking an old I guess in Singer's case it's 479 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: a nine to sixty four right and making it a 480 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 2: much better and more modern driving machine. Or some companies 481 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 2: like Revology they do with the nineteen sixty eight Mustang. 482 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: They start from the frame up. They make a brand 483 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: new car with a new power train that just looks 484 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 2: exactly like an old Mustang. What do you think about 485 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: these still mods? Because they become almost ubiquitous. Now there's 486 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 2: I don't with Singer, and there's Theon and there's so 487 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 2: many that do porsias, but now they're starting to do 488 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: it with corvettes and f uh and not F forty 489 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 2: G T forty's what's your take on that? 490 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: I I like it, Hence the fact I've got a 491 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 3: Singer sitting here that spent all that money on. The 492 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 3: Singer is a different car than than the nine six 493 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: four that is based on, and I happen to like. 494 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: Do you like the way it drives? Hence the fact 495 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: I drove one and then I waited three years. Thanks 496 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 3: COVID for the car, and it hasn't disappointed. It's the 497 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 3: most wonderful thing I've seen some recently. I thought, well, 498 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 3: I don't know why you've done that. Not talking about Singer, 499 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: talk about others that have done some some restal mods, 500 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 3: you know. I mean Pana Magnus is doing the. 501 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: T w R the WR. 502 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 3: Yes, because that was a flawed car. 503 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and that's got racing history to it. 504 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 3: That we've seen some recently the other cars, and I 505 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 3: thought we actually made the original look worse. But the 506 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 3: Singer looked mad. That Singer DLS. If I had unlimited 507 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 3: fun tokens, I'd have one of those sitting as well. 508 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: I noticed there's ones going for sale in Monterey in 509 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: a few weeks at auction. 510 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: My brother does a lot of the test driving and 511 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 3: the Singer product, and he was intimately involved in DLS. No, 512 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 3: I love what they do, but. 513 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 2: It's been the thing for a while. I mean, I 514 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: think there was a guy at General Motors, Mark Stilo, 515 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: who started doing these with UH with Camaro's way back, 516 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: and in muscle cars. It's been happening for longer than Singers. 517 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: Just in general, the idea of arrestomod. Purists, you know, 518 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 2: don't like it. They want the original experience, Like if 519 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 2: you're driving a C two Corvette. I've talked to so 520 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: many people who own like a nineteen sixty three split 521 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: window and they say it's great to look at when 522 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: you drive it, it's like driving an old truck. 523 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 3: You know. 524 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: Also applies to the C three personal experience. 525 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: I would want the rest of mode. I would prefer that. 526 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: What do you think about sort of purists versus modern 527 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: driving experience. 528 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 3: I think there's room in the world for both, isn't there. 529 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 3: I'm with you. You know, my daytona spider without power steering. 530 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: There's a couple of things in it that were challenging, 531 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 3: shall we say, with the suspension and breaks and stuff. 532 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 3: So I made a couple of changes to it, and 533 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 3: the purest absolutely hated it. But I love driving it. 534 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 3: But there's a place for I love when you see 535 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: a car that's absolutely as it left the factory. That's good. 536 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: And some people are into that, and more power to them. 537 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 3: But you know, at the same time, but my forty, 538 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: I've made a couple of small changes to that everything, 539 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 3: everything to put it back to original is in the 540 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: box and the cupboard in the garage. And one thing 541 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 3: I've learned in doing this job with with Gordon Murray 542 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: is there's people's passion for cars. It's in all shapes 543 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: and sizes. We were all standing at the top of 544 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 3: the hill. That good with some of the the test drivers, 545 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 3: guys that do my job, X racing drivers, current racing 546 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 3: drivers at the top of the hell we've been driving 547 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: various different manufacturers supercars up there, but we're all looking 548 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 3: at each other's staff instead of humming and holland that's amazing, 549 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 3: that's great. We're just one of one of us. How 550 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 3: amazing is it that people have got this appetite for 551 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 3: these crazy cars to allow us to get to play 552 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 3: and people still have the passion for cars, and it's yeah, 553 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 3: as I said, it's all shapes and sizes. And you 554 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 3: know our customers are all shapes and sizes too. 555 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: I was going to ask what type of people are 556 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: interested in the T fifty? Who are you talking to 557 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: and where do they live? Are they US or Asia? Europe? 558 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, US, some in Asia, some couple of Middle East, 559 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: but Europe and in the UK are big as well. 560 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 3: And the age range our oldest customer, I would say 561 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: eighty four, and he has a massive collection of cars. 562 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 3: Our youngest customers in the twenties. And there's a couple 563 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 3: of people that this is their only supercar. 564 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: Their entry. They're dipping their toe in the pool of supercars. 565 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 3: This is exactly right. 566 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: What about women, Dario, You've delivered like twenty right, and 567 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: you're going to make one hundred. Are any women interested 568 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: in the T fifty? 569 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? We have I believe certainly one woman customer, but 570 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 3: a lot of the a lot of the wifs of 571 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 3: the husband will yeah, yeah, I'm trusty. I'll be driving it, 572 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 3: and I know my wife will be expecting to get 573 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 3: out and go for a blasting. And that it's usable. 574 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 3: That's the great thing about it. It's small, it's usable, 575 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 3: so it has six hundred and seventy five host par so, 576 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 3: you know, and it also does well or st two 577 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty miles an hour. But it's a usable car, 578 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 3: so and I could take my kids to school in it. 579 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: Is that the attraction that you're you're hearing from customers, 580 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean, is that the single thing that they are 581 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: pulled in by? Or is it Gordon Murray? Or is 582 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: it you something else. 583 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 3: It's absolutely Gordon what Gordon's done in the past with 584 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 3: the F one. And they want they want a car 585 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 3: that when they drive that it's again, it's gonna they 586 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 3: want a driver's car. They want a car that they 587 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: can it's going to really give them, you know, really 588 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 3: work all their senses. And we've and that's whether that 589 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 3: again all different ages and all different experience levels. And 590 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 3: you said, I want to this is someone wanting space. 591 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 3: I want lightweight, I want I don't want turbos, I 592 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: don't want big car. I don't I don't really care 593 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 3: about lap of times all that sort of stuff. You know, 594 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: we've we only know the top speed of the car 595 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 3: because we've had to do it for home alligation. We 596 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: know the top zero to sixty times. Again, it was 597 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 3: not a big it wasn't a big thing over the 598 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 3: lap time around the Narbergrin. We care, but. 599 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: It's nice to hear somebody say that, because everyone pretends 600 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: to care. 601 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: But less and less right, because EV's have kind of 602 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: commoditized speed or quickness, like it doesn't matter if you 603 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: can do zero to sixty and three seconds in your microwave. 604 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: If it's not very much fun. What do you think 605 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: about EV's Dario. Do you have any interest? Do you 606 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: have any like a daily driver? That's an Ev. 607 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 3: Gordon hates my daily driver. It's against everything he stands for. 608 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 3: It's it's in the garage because I washed it today. 609 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 3: I have a g Wagon. 610 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 2: Love a g Wagon. We're huge fans. 611 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 3: D sixty three. 612 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, perfect. You know. 613 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 3: I think there's a use case for electric car. That 614 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 3: absolutely is, but it's not the full answer, and it's 615 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 3: certainly not the answer my opinion for supercars. It's not 616 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 3: because you remove so much of the emotion with not 617 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 3: having the sound and also the way it delivers its power. 618 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 3: But if you know, if it works for your use case, 619 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 3: your mission, you know, to get to and from work, 620 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 3: whatever that is, yeah, good onion. If but that's it's 621 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 3: not it's not really, it's not my thing. And we 622 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 3: and luckily that then that fits in with with with 623 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 3: what they do at Gordon Murray. And as long as 624 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 3: we can build these normally aspirated V twelves and and 625 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 3: sort of slow our own furl with those, we will 626 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 3: and they're also really efficient. Let's let's not be about 627 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 3: the bush. It's a it's a four liter V twelve 628 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 3: that produces six hundred and seventy five horse plan does 629 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 3: so in a really efficient way. You know, people manify 630 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 3: actually rediscovering they need internal combustion for the hybrid card. 631 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 3: People are going to be looking more and more to 632 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 3: make very efficient internal combustion engines. What was it the 633 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 3: guy from BW said, due to negative customer sentiment or something. 634 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 3: He's talking about them rolling back some of their their 635 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 3: their ev stuff. 636 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 2: Oh, Oliver Blue Ma, Yeah, yeah, Well I wonder, I 637 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 2: wonder what's ahead for Gordon Murray because if you're a 638 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 2: director of brand that says to me, it's not done, 639 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: it's not over with the T fifty, Like there's a 640 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 2: bigger story there is that the case? 641 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And that was one of those harmlements I 642 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,959 Speaker 3: think for Gordon. He built a car company to build 643 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 3: it car being T fifty and then he thought, wow, 644 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 3: I've got a car company. 645 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: Now what now he has? 646 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 3: But luckily his mind is just goes on stop, just 647 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 3: absolutely unstopping. The man doesn't sleep, and he has filing 648 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 3: cabinets in his office full of ideas for the future. 649 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 3: And I'm not talking one or five or ten and 650 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 3: different ideas of cars, and I'm talking fifty plus of 651 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 3: all different shapes and sizes, and he's got this group 652 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 3: of people that turn his his ideas into reality. So 653 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 3: the next the next time got fifty s which is 654 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 3: tracked for I'm middle of testing that right now. We 655 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 3: had that we're after Hill at Goodwood Festivals. We you 656 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 3: can see that on all the social things. It's just 657 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: it's it's absolutely unhinged. The car. It's nine hundred kilos 658 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 3: seven hundred and seventy five horse but fifteen hundred kilos 659 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 3: of downforce, and I know American friends are going, what's 660 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 3: that multiply by two point two to get that that 661 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 3: number of pounds? 662 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: Where do you test at Silverstone? 663 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 3: We've tested it all over the UK so far. We're 664 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 3: going back with Middle East fairly soon and there might 665 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 3: be a little trip to America in its future, and 666 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 3: that will be that'll be getting built next year. Fifty 667 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 3: productional le end first quarter next year when the hundred 668 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 3: cars are done, and then we've got T thirty three 669 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 3: and T thirty three Spider coming out after that. And 670 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 3: that's sort of that's based up a two C car, 671 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 3: same V twelve engine, and that was based on Gordon's 672 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 3: all those cars at Gordon lusted after in the sixties, 673 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 3: but they never afford these beautiful, shapely cars, you know, Lamborghini, 674 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 3: Miura Alpha T thirty three, and then after that we've 675 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 3: got Project three come in at some point. I've gotually 676 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 3: got another T thirty three variant before that too, and 677 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 3: then it just goes on and on and so it's 678 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,439 Speaker 3: it's exciting as a as a petrol head to get 679 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 3: to make your dream cars and to work alongside Gordon 680 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 3: and the team is special. 681 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: Now. I know Gordon, I think has comes from Scottish heritage, 682 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: and I also know that he has quite a T 683 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: shirt collection of like band t shirts from back in 684 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: the day. Is this is this is true? Right? He 685 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: like he really is a sort of a genius in 686 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: music as well. Is that right? 687 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a massive music guy. George Harrison and him. 688 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: Were they were friends. 689 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 3: They were, yeah, and he yeah, he's a rock star. 690 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 3: He's a rock star designer and he has all these 691 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 3: crazy shirts and he has as you said, in the 692 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 3: music t shirts, he actually did a book on this 693 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 3: T shirt collection. But he his other thing is music posters. 694 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 3: He had this collection of posters and they were all 695 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 3: in the files and all sort of line up, and 696 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 3: he said, what am I doing? Why have I got 697 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 3: all these posters that I never seen, nobody ever sees. 698 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 3: They're worth a lot of money, but so what you know? 699 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 3: It was kind of like, it's not the point. So 700 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 3: he stuck papered his music room. I would say, floor 701 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 3: to ceiling, floor and ceiling with all these beautiful nineteen 702 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 3: sixties music posters. Really cool. It's such a cool place 703 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 3: to be. 704 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: There's something about those those guys that come from that 705 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: generation that are just they're interested in so many things, 706 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: the music, the cars, the style. I feel like it's 707 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: a lost era. And being able to work with somebody 708 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: who remembers firsthand and still lives it must be so 709 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: cool and interesting. 710 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. I mean, we had a call yesterday 711 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 3: about t fifts where we are in the development process, 712 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 3: and it just reminded me what an absolute genius the 713 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 3: man is. The way he thinks, he thinks through a problem, 714 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 3: it's pretty special. It's not pretty, it's very very special. 715 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 3: He's cool, dude. 716 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 2: My favorite the thing that he has done is the 717 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 2: little Ultra light one seater, the open wheel racer. Yes, 718 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 2: and I always love those that at a time I 719 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 2: think there is going to be a resurrection of the 720 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 2: Van Wall and you know B A. C. Does the mono, 721 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 2: which is cool. Do you ever are you interested in 722 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 2: that kind of thing that makes you feel like you're 723 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 2: driving one of your indie cars, you know, but you 724 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 2: can drive it on the street. 725 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah absolutely. One of the the perks 726 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 3: of the job is Gordon's got this incredible garage full 727 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 3: of all these cars. Go in and basically choose what 728 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 3: I want to take for a spin, obviously just for 729 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 3: for development person. Yes, exactly, Yes, I took I took 730 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 3: the Rocket out around the roads of Surrey and it's 731 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 3: for those who don't know, a little two seater one 732 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,439 Speaker 3: behind the other ways nothing. I have motorcycles that way 733 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 3: more than it, and it's got a motorcycle engine in it, 734 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 3: but you're it's completely open top. And it was very 735 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 3: interesting because I was having conversations with pedestrians when I 736 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 3: was driving it through the middle of this town. I'd 737 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 3: stop at the crosswalk and I'd let them across and 738 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 3: they'd say thank you, You're welcome. But then you get 739 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 3: it going and it's it's the most incredible Again, lightweight, 740 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 3: all the things that Gordon does efficiency and it handles beautifully. 741 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 3: You should try and I'm trying to buy one now 742 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 3: about quarter of a million pounds. 743 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. They were affordable when they first came out. 744 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they made only made forty seven of them, 745 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 3: I think. And I missed one of those as well, 746 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 3: so I can't have them all. 747 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: I have to ask. I know you're you mentioned your wife. 748 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: She is a beautiful equestrian and spends her a lot 749 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: of her time. It looks like in the at the 750 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: horse barn, do you ever ride? Do you switch horsepower 751 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: and go for the live thing? 752 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 3: No, I don't. It's my first indie car. Boss Carl 753 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 3: Hogan once said to me, Carl a lot of horses 754 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 3: and it's a Carl Jib ride. And he looked and 755 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 3: he looked at me, said I prefer my relationship with 756 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,439 Speaker 3: my horses to be eye to eye. And that's the way. 757 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 3: That is the way. And I think about it. You know, Ellie, 758 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 3: actually she's doing a race at Goodwood in a couple 759 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 3: of days time. Wow, they have a sort of an 760 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 3: amateur race and she's yeah, so I'm a bit nervous 761 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 3: about that. To be honest, we're heading down there tomorrow, 762 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 3: and the shoe is very much on the other foot 763 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 3: because she's when I raced at Goodwood and all that 764 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 3: sort of stuff. She's a wonderful supporter and helps me there. 765 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 3: But now the whole family raced at Goodwood because she's 766 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 3: racing the horse, I race the cars, and both daughters 767 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 3: racing the in the pedal car race. 768 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. I mean, it's it's 769 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: a really good combination to see. You know, you each 770 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 1: support each other and but you each have your own 771 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 1: thing too. But maybe see maybe similar mentality. 772 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, dangerous, right, don't you worry? I mean, 773 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 2: horseback riding is sometimes more dangerous than racing cars. 774 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 3: No, I think so. My oldest Sophia as the way, 775 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 3: she's at a horse competition tomorrow and then she's coming 776 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 3: to good Way to watch to watch your mum race. 777 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 3: But yeah, at least with cars or let's go motorbikes 778 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,959 Speaker 3: for instance, a motorbike very much like a horse. Apart 779 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 3: from with a motorbike, you turn left and it generally 780 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 3: goes left. With a horse, you wanted to turn left. 781 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 3: It might be having a bad day, yeah. 782 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 2: You're not a motorcyclist, right, You have some motorcycles, but 783 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 2: you're not. I thought i'd read that your dad like 784 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 2: tried to get you on a motorcycle and you just 785 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 2: didn't really gel with it. 786 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 3: Oh no, I was crap. I didn't say it was 787 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 3: every good. But I raced motocross before I raced cars, 788 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 3: and I was terrible. And then back in two thousand 789 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 3: and three, I was riding at an Envy a Gusta 790 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 3: and I was riding it in Scotland and I had 791 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 3: a mechanical failure and I broke my back on it. 792 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 2: So I remember now. 793 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I love them. And I did the most 794 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 3: interesting ride in Portugal with some friends through the car 795 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 3: racers and bike racers at the start of the year. 796 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 3: So I love my bikes. And I'm hopefully going to 797 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,839 Speaker 3: go to Australia with my brother and our friend Mark 798 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 3: Webbern going and ride some bikes maybe start next year. 799 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 2: Dario, it's been so awesome to have you. I really 800 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 2: appreciate your time. 801 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 802 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 3: Well, I guess we'll see a Car Week. 803 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to see you at car Week, and 804 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,439 Speaker 1: I think I'm going to drive with you. Actually, next 805 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 1: week in LA which I'm really looking forward to. Yeah, 806 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,479 Speaker 1: I can't wait. I mean, do your worst, do your worst. 807 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm ready. 808 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 2: I will say, I'm super jealous that you get to 809 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:50,919 Speaker 2: hang out with that guy. 810 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Really fun, I know, so chill. 811 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: I find a lot of race car drivers are really 812 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: chill because I think it takes like near death to 813 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: really wake them up. 814 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,800 Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, they have such high intensity. 815 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: Otherwise their adrenaline levels are shot, so just so relaxed. 816 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 2: Are you going to write a piece on the T 817 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 2: fifty or on. 818 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: Yes, I'm working on a piece actually about manuals in general. 819 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: So that's going to be a really big part of this. 820 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,280 Speaker 1: Look at where the manuals going. Is it making a comeback? 821 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: You know that sort of thing. So yeah, can't wait. 822 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,800 Speaker 2: So you have a piece out on the Fiat five hundred, 823 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 2: we touched on it briefly last week, and you have 824 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 2: a piece coming out later on the Rivian, which you 825 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 2: are you done driving the Rivian now? 826 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:38,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? I gave it back yesterday. 827 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk first about the little guy and then 828 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 2: like what kind of feedback do you get because you're 829 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 2: usually writing about you know, million dollar cars, and here 830 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,839 Speaker 2: you come out with a piece on a thirty. 831 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: Six. 832 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty six, and you know it's been an exciting 833 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 2: It was an exciting for you. I'm sure getting toad 834 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 2: and stuff. But in general, what was your take on 835 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 2: that little It's. 836 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: So, it's good, it's great. I if more evs and 837 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: cars in general were like that vehicle, assuming the charging 838 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: network stands up to it, the world would be a 839 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 1: better place. Like we said before, it's really spacious. I'm tall, 840 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: you're tall. The interior is great, it's durable, it's practical, 841 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: the infotainment is intuitive and seamless. It just sort of 842 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,840 Speaker 1: does everything fine, which is great. And I swear I 843 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: probably shaved ten to fifteen minutes off my commute in 844 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,839 Speaker 1: that thing, only because I was darting in and out 845 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: of traffic so much. This car does zero to sixteen 846 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,360 Speaker 1: like over eight seconds. So on paper, it's not fast, 847 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,839 Speaker 1: but as we discussed, it's super zippy, and it's half 848 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: the size of everything else, so you can really weasel 849 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: your way into places that you normally wouldn't be able to. 850 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: And I've really liked it's kind of like a no 851 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,279 Speaker 1: mustno fuss thing. You just jump in it's like, you know, 852 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of like when you're at a resort and 853 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 1: you just jump into the golf cart to you know, 854 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: go down to the punter roller or whatever, and it 855 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,319 Speaker 1: kind of feels like that. But I don't mean that 856 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 1: as a knock. 857 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 2: That's actually no in a good way. I remember when 858 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 2: I was testing one out, I realized it was so 859 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 2: much fun to do little errands, so I was looking 860 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 2: forward to picking up the dry queen or popping out 861 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 2: for milk. And even though it's tiny, somehow it fit 862 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 2: my daughter's rear facing car seat with no problems. 863 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: Totally totally, And I just remember, I should really say this. 864 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: I was at the dentist last week, and my dentist 865 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: is in Pasadena. He's a car guy. He has many 866 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,239 Speaker 1: nice cars, including some made by Ferrari and Mercedes. And 867 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: he was so proud to tell me the story of 868 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,840 Speaker 1: how he just bought a twenty twelve a Barth Fiat 869 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,839 Speaker 1: five hundred and how much he loves it. And I'm 870 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,360 Speaker 1: pretty sure he waited in the parking lot until I 871 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: left so I could see the car because he was 872 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 1: pulling out in the car. I mean, he loved it 873 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 1: so much and spent ten minutes telling me how much 874 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: he loved this little thing to just exactly your point, 875 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: to just drive to the office and back. It was 876 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,359 Speaker 1: kind of great, and it made me realize, you know what, 877 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,720 Speaker 1: it's a shame they haven't been sold consistently in the US, 878 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: But I really hope that going forward, this new drop 879 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 1: does really well and we'll start to see more. 880 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,760 Speaker 2: I also think that the E this is a car 881 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 2: use case in which the EV powertrain makes even more sense. Yeah, 882 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure the A b Arc version is fun, 883 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,440 Speaker 2: and yeah, probably got a Revy engine does, but the 884 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 2: zippiness of the EV powertrain just lends itself so well 885 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,359 Speaker 2: to the size, you know, setup of the Fiat. All right, 886 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,239 Speaker 2: let's I want to get your take on the new 887 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 2: ish Rivian. Right, it's still the R one s so 888 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 2: it's the SUV version looks for all intents and purposes, 889 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,240 Speaker 2: exactly the same as the launch. 890 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,759 Speaker 1: Edition second generation technologies exactly so. 891 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 2: And the first one you were not entirely impressed. 892 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: With, no, And you know, no, I wasn't. I thought 893 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,240 Speaker 1: it was really poorly made and overpriced, and in fairness 894 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: to Rivian, it was an extremely early model, and I 895 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,680 Speaker 1: understand how car makers really have a lot of tension 896 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,880 Speaker 1: between we want to get pressed on this and we 897 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,360 Speaker 1: want to get media in the cars as soon as possible, 898 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: and they're having to balance that against how good the 899 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 1: cars are at any given point and on. 900 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 2: It's been super out front with that, right they did 901 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 2: the Long Way up with you and McGregor and Charlie Boye. 902 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: Yes, So it's a there's a push pull because when 903 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: you get into early cars, obviously there are things that 904 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: haven't quite been ironed out yet and haven't been sorted 905 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: and I think maybe they got press into the vehicles 906 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: a little too early, But you know, I respect the 907 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,680 Speaker 1: desire to get them out there because I also roll 908 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,719 Speaker 1: my eyes when people want you to do press on 909 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,279 Speaker 1: things and I'm like, well, can I drive it? And 910 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: they're like no, So you know, it's a it's a balance. 911 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 1: But back to this SUV, I yes, you know, it's 912 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: certainly far better made than the earlier version vehicle that 913 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: I was in, and I just mean things like the 914 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 1: fit and finish feel, tighter, body panels aligned, you know, 915 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,360 Speaker 1: things don't feel like they're sort of gonna pull off 916 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 1: in the cabin, the infotainment system which previously had been 917 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,880 Speaker 1: you know it like would like spontaneously shut down or 918 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,120 Speaker 1: it had little glitches in it. There was none of 919 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,840 Speaker 1: that this time, so that all was really great. The driving, 920 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:54,400 Speaker 1: to me of that vehicle is really annoying. It just 921 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,720 Speaker 1: lurches all over the place. It's so heavy. You feel 922 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: like you're just sitting on top of a big bag 923 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 1: rolling around in traffic. The breaking is extremely abrupt. Obviously, 924 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 1: it's region breaking. You can take the you can adjust 925 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,640 Speaker 1: the strength of the region. The problem is when you 926 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 1: get in the car and you turn it on, the 927 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 1: default is standard region, which is pretty abrupt, and then 928 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 1: you have to go in and take it down to low, 929 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,280 Speaker 1: which does really help with the severity of the the breaking. 930 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 1: But you know, it's. 931 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,440 Speaker 2: Which version, which version did you have? Because they have 932 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:34,920 Speaker 2: multiple motor. 933 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,400 Speaker 1: I had the dual motor. I had the dual motor, 934 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 1: and I will be getting the tri motor soon in 935 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,839 Speaker 1: the next month or so. 936 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 2: But that'll just add more power. That probably does. 937 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I look forward to more power. I would say, 938 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: you know it drives. 939 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 2: That should be the tagline for the That should be 940 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 2: the tagline for the podcast. 941 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,959 Speaker 1: You know when I got when I got in the side. 942 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,160 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, like this really ooh, I'm 943 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,000 Speaker 1: flying like you really feel it. I did not have 944 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 1: that same experience in the Rivian suv, for instance. 945 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 2: The sad motor will have like a thousand horses. 946 00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I think that that 947 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,880 Speaker 1: might actually override the feeling of I'm riding around in 948 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: this lurch mobile. You know, admittedly I am not the 949 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,800 Speaker 1: target buyer for this because I don't have kids. It's 950 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 1: it's big, it's really big. I don't I don't need it, 951 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,200 Speaker 1: you know. It's the exact opposite of the five hundred 952 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 1: e in it in every way, I am. 953 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,320 Speaker 2: The target buyer. So I would love a big vehicle 954 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,480 Speaker 2: that's an suv. I don't necessarily need a pickup truck. 955 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,960 Speaker 2: That doesn't feel like I'm trying to just get a 956 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,880 Speaker 2: cooler vehicle than a mini van, like you know, the 957 00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,400 Speaker 2: the GLS that I thought was gonna be the right 958 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,040 Speaker 2: choice for us as a family car. Turns out it 959 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,880 Speaker 2: really does feel just like a mini van in a 960 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:10,400 Speaker 2: slightly different shape, and that's a little bit of a disappointment. Obviously, 961 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,560 Speaker 2: it's fairly luxurious inside, you know, especially for the price. 962 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 2: But what about the Rivian like is in the Is 963 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,680 Speaker 2: the interior feel nice? I mean, is everything laid out well? 964 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,439 Speaker 2: Does it all? Does it have you know, a swayed roofliner? 965 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: Uh uh, yeah, I wouldn't call it swayed. It's got 966 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,360 Speaker 1: a fabric roofliner. 967 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 2: Does it have the sunroof? Does the sunroof have that 968 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,320 Speaker 2: electro chromatic thing where you can just push a button 969 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,840 Speaker 2: it becomes dark? No, huh. 970 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 1: Here are some things that I noticed to your point. 971 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,839 Speaker 1: For instance, you open you have to use this sort 972 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,319 Speaker 1: of key card to open the vehicle, and you sort 973 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,680 Speaker 1: of put it against the electric door handle on the 974 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,680 Speaker 1: driver side, and then it unlocks every door, and that's 975 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,400 Speaker 1: the only side and door you can unlock it from. 976 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,320 Speaker 1: There is an app you can also download to unlock 977 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,319 Speaker 1: the car, but I'm so tired of having to use 978 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 1: apps for everything. I wanted to use the key, so 979 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 1: I so you have to unlock the car from the 980 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,560 Speaker 1: driver's side, and you, for instance, you can't open the 981 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,400 Speaker 1: trunk without unlocking the whole car. So you know, stuff 982 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: like that. It's it's a little inconvenient, you know. The 983 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,839 Speaker 1: I went to home depot and bought plants and put 984 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:35,560 Speaker 1: them in the back, and the the tailgate opens and 985 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,319 Speaker 1: closes very haphazardly. You know, you like you're gonna hit 986 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,680 Speaker 1: your head if you open it. But then it somehow, 987 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,440 Speaker 1: since is something, it'll just freeze, you know, if it's 988 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,040 Speaker 1: since it's something that it might hit, it'll just freeze. 989 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 1: And then you end up like pushing the button again 990 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 1: and it sort of jolts, and then you're like you're 991 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,839 Speaker 1: trying to force it up or down. It's there are 992 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,319 Speaker 1: things like that where it's like, I wish I could 993 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,839 Speaker 1: just have the usual thing, which is something mechanical rather 994 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,880 Speaker 1: than computerized or something you did you. 995 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,839 Speaker 2: Still have pre production. I don't. 996 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,799 Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't get the sense that there was 997 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,479 Speaker 1: any fault with the system. I just got the sense 998 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:17,239 Speaker 1: that was the system, you know. And it just is 999 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,000 Speaker 1: a case of like it's just easier if you just 1000 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,280 Speaker 1: have a door that you can open and close. For instance, 1001 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,200 Speaker 1: the doors don't recognize when I walk up with the 1002 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,200 Speaker 1: key and automatically unlocked. That's a pretty basic thing. It 1003 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: happens in Mercedes and Porsches and lots of other luxury cars. 1004 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,200 Speaker 1: But for instance, if you have the key card for 1005 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,920 Speaker 1: this vehicle, it's not recognized, you still have to push 1006 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 1: hold it up against the door handle for them to 1007 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,520 Speaker 1: then recognize it and then to open and unlock the 1008 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 1: entire car. So it's just like there's one extra step, 1009 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, why can't it just recognize the key 1010 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,000 Speaker 1: when I walk up? And probably that's what they apps for. 1011 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,719 Speaker 2: It's I'm kind of bummed out. I'm trying to think 1012 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,200 Speaker 2: of something that we can end on a more optimistic note, 1013 00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,640 Speaker 2: because I love the design so much of the Rivian, Like, 1014 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,480 Speaker 2: I love the way it looks. 1015 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,240 Speaker 1: I love how the truck looks. 1016 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,920 Speaker 2: For sure, the truck and the numbers, you know, on paper, 1017 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,719 Speaker 2: it seems like such a victory, all right. So in 1018 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,600 Speaker 2: any case, I look forward to reading your Rivian review. 1019 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 1: Thanks, I look forward to writing it. 1020 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,960 Speaker 2: I'm Bloomberg dot com and uh, I guess that's it. 1021 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller, and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is 1022 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:32,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg