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Speaker 2: Well, we're thrilled to have you.
Speaker 3: Thanks. Fun to be here. It's been a while.
Speaker 2: Coming from undisclosed locations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm at a crazy location.
Speaker 4: I'm at my new job break and I worked for
Speaker 4: one of the evil empires, one of the famous ones,
Speaker 4: like I'm.
Speaker 2: Not actually so many America. Yeah, this one is, I mean,
Speaker 2: just for our own conscious we wouldn't rather you not
Speaker 2: just that much, Chris, I think sleep that part out.
Speaker 3: I'm in the back of an.
Speaker 2: Old Navy There you go. It is. That's even funny
Speaker 2: where you are. I'm in the back of old navy.
Speaker 2: Don't worry, dude. We're switching out seasons right now, so
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna miss me. But you are in.
Speaker 1: The heart of capitalist empire. And the vibes are good.
Speaker 1: I have to imagine good. They're like they're taking all
Speaker 1: the money right.
Speaker 4: I'm on like a camp a campus type thing, you know,
Speaker 4: where it's like the the you know, like it looks
Speaker 4: like it'd be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I also know nobody at this place is going to
Speaker 3: listen to this podcast.
Speaker 4: These people don't know anything about anything except for like
Speaker 4: what's wrong with the copy machine? And they don't know
Speaker 4: that's not that's something they don't know, but they want
Speaker 4: to ask every you know, like that's one of the
Speaker 4: main topics, like what is up with.
Speaker 1: A copying back read the copy machine?
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, it's just like fun benefits, whimsical benefits being
Speaker 2: it's just.
Speaker 4: Like it looks like it's gonna be fun, you know,
Speaker 4: and then like it's just I don't know, it's like,
Speaker 4: uh no matter how much soft ice cream you give to.
Speaker 5: Of like gulog, like you know, like yeah, it's what
Speaker 5: ifs had soft serve or fun orange couches glog had
Speaker 5: like yeah.
Speaker 4: Like had like you know something so like said like
Speaker 4: living your best life or something on the side. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's like fucking it's not you know, And goolog actually
Speaker 4: would be a funny comedic device if it wasn't like
Speaker 4: at the.
Speaker 3: Front of our actual news.
Speaker 4: But yeah, this is not a gulog, but it's it's
Speaker 4: just it is interesting that I've been trying to figure
Speaker 4: out what's weird about it. It's just like a really
Speaker 4: fun looking building, but the but there's no no laughs,
Speaker 4: and it's.
Speaker 2: Everyone just kind of like eyes straight ahead, like just
Speaker 2: getting the work done, or like the socializing is very
Speaker 2: superficial because everyone's I mean, I get it, everyone's toilt
Speaker 2: the threat of being unhoused and uninsured. So it's just like.
Speaker 3: I think it's mostly work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they have huge amounts of work, like
Speaker 4: a real ton of like closely monitored work, like.
Speaker 2: The love that you're sneaking up to recording podcasts. Right,
Speaker 2: this is your I guess, and if I got.
Speaker 4: Fired, If I got fired, I'd be fine with it,
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I don't care, like I I'm.
Speaker 3: Doing my job the best I can.
Speaker 4: And I did find out in the last couple of
Speaker 4: years that like being freelance as a you know, I
Speaker 4: don't even know how to discuss this without like sounding
Speaker 4: like a like I would consider meet myself to be
Speaker 4: sort of a success at what I do. But but
Speaker 4: this kind of whatever this is, like you know, is
Speaker 4: not doesn't pay, you know, it doesn't pay enough. It
Speaker 4: pays like you know, I'm so grateful for my Patreon
Speaker 4: I have from my podcast, and and I'm grateful for
Speaker 4: the occasional thing I'll get like a tour or something
Speaker 4: like that, but it's not something that you can count on.
Speaker 4: I had a tour that was supposed to happen last
Speaker 4: fall that was gonna be a lot of money, you know,
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 3: But once again, like what I think of is a
Speaker 3: lot of money, but isn't a lot of money.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like sure less than I don't want to say
Speaker 4: how much it is, but let's just say it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not it's it's it's not enough, you know. And
Speaker 4: it's like that fell through and then I was fucked.
Speaker 4: So it was like an emergency, like because I had
Speaker 4: that lined up and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: the universe is like providing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: like like, oh, it's true what they say, just manifest
Speaker 4: your you know, just getting a good mood and and
Speaker 4: and you know, and and that happened at a time
Speaker 4: where I was like, oh my god, this isn't going
Speaker 4: to work out. And then it was like in the mail,
Speaker 4: like an offer from some people I like saying, come
Speaker 4: out and do this thing, and it just didn't And
Speaker 4: I'm not mad at them. It just got canceled and
Speaker 4: that's that. But that was the end of Then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, it was like, oh, I can't manifest
Speaker 4: my way out of the fact that I have like
Speaker 4: two hundred dollars, you know what I mean. So it's like,
Speaker 4: so I had to get a job. So I'm at
Speaker 4: a job, and I'm very grateful to have it. But
Speaker 4: I will say that there's not a lot of room
Speaker 4: to move up anymore for anybody. You're sort of in
Speaker 4: your job, and that's that's what it like. There's not
Speaker 4: I don't feel like there's much excitement. You kind of know,
Speaker 4: you have a basic idea of where you're gonna go,
Speaker 4: and it's not gonna be too far vertically, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be maybe, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I don't think the spirit.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm sure, like there have been a million jobs like this,
Speaker 4: but but they don't present themselves.
Speaker 3: As fun usually. I think that's the difference. Like if
Speaker 3: he worked at like you know, I don't know, there's.
Speaker 2: Something word yeah at like the Ford Factory in the
Speaker 2: seventies or eighties or nineties, Yes, and like this will
Speaker 2: be fun.
Speaker 4: Henry Ford like also like even though he was probably
Speaker 4: a horrible employer, and I think he was like and everything,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, okay, so but you know, he still didn't
Speaker 4: like he didn't like he didn't like wear a speedo,
Speaker 4: he didn't like have a Henry Ford.
Speaker 6: Like action calendar nineteen thirty eight where it showed him
Speaker 6: on his boats and stuff.
Speaker 4: I mean, they didn't rub it in like I mean
Speaker 4: they did, but it was just like you can see
Speaker 4: these these guys that are running your company now in
Speaker 4: bathing suits, like just being like fuck you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's like that is not.
Speaker 4: Like a lot of the jobs that this company require
Speaker 4: a lot of like ability. But you're serving people who
Speaker 4: are like, you know, you know, they're not good. They
Speaker 4: don't even pretend, you know, they don't even pretend that
Speaker 4: this is this is just a transactional You're just working
Speaker 4: for something that has no goal other than money.
Speaker 3: There's no other thing they're even talking about.
Speaker 4: They're not even trying to disguise it, you know, except
Speaker 4: for with the living your best life neon.
Speaker 3: But even that, it's like, now.
Speaker 4: That Trump's in office, all that rings completely hollow because
Speaker 4: all of these oligarchs just lined up, all these guys
Speaker 4: who put up the you know, all these like we're
Speaker 4: inclusive of and all this bullshit is it's completely was
Speaker 4: all just just whatever they read the room at the
Speaker 4: time and said, we have to put up this kind
Speaker 4: of shit.
Speaker 3: Because this is what's happening because you got a democratic president. Now,
Speaker 3: oh fuck fuck all that. Yeah, and that's disheartening.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, you know, I mean, you
Speaker 4: can be in here and make money at this you know,
Speaker 4: this old Navy store that I work at in the
Speaker 4: hall or you know, but I mean just because there's
Speaker 4: a foosball table in the break room with this old Navy,
Speaker 4: they're not going to trick me into living here or
Speaker 4: you know, being here forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I am not really at an old Navy, but
Speaker 4: somewhere in between an old Navy and and what a
Speaker 4: World bank basically somewhere in between old Navy and raytheon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right right right? What is some things are
Speaker 2: that you think is underrated?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 1: Hell, okay, interesting because most people would say that's the baion.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we are. I'm intrigued.
Speaker 7: Do you remember when we all were like, I don't
Speaker 7: believe in hell and I don't think Hell's real, and
Speaker 7: everybody calmed down.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 7: I realized, like, okay, not only do I need help
Speaker 7: to be real, I don't know why I ever thought
Speaker 7: I was going there. You know, there is so much
Speaker 7: evil that I am so far away from.
Speaker 2: So do you think that I'm going to Hell? No? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no no, let me speak.
Speaker 7: I'm such a good person all this time, I thought, oh, man,
Speaker 7: because I like drank sometimes and I eat pork and
Speaker 7: I like pepperoni. No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 7: We're talking Hell is for a scale we did not imagine, folks.
Speaker 2: We've gotten bad out there.
Speaker 1: I do wonder, and I think this is like what
Speaker 1: a lot of religion comes down to, is like does
Speaker 1: it great on a curve? Like if everybody got bad,
Speaker 1: which is like Old Testament, they don't grade on a curve.
Speaker 1: They're like, this city got bad, and we're turning everyone
Speaker 1: to salt in the whole city. It's not like this
Speaker 1: guy was like top ten percent and not everybody's getting touched.
Speaker 1: Everybody's getting touched.
Speaker 2: This city.
Speaker 1: Was that we're gonna let one person survive in a
Speaker 1: boat with uh with the animals. Everybody else is gone.
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, I think that would be My contention
Speaker 1: is we're all going to hell.
Speaker 7: Maybe here's what I think. I think Sodom and Gomora,
Speaker 7: I think what we got there was a disinformation campaign. Sure,
Speaker 7: I think they all know grizzles and they were anti vacks,
Speaker 7: and that's actually what happened, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 7: I think it was like probably more of a hygiene issue.
Speaker 2: I think it could have been an experimental art piece. Right,
Speaker 2: this is skul. We don't salt and meant to be
Speaker 2: like will I don't know, they don't turn to salt.
Speaker 7: I think we don't know. We have to we have
Speaker 7: to always be aware of disinformation campaigns. Now we can't.
Speaker 7: We can't look back on history without that lens.
Speaker 2: I remember when I asked my dad about that, maybe
Speaker 2: like when I was twelve or something, when I really
Speaker 2: kind of started thinking, like, wait, is this little bullshit?
Speaker 2: I remember him saying, goes, how do we know this
Speaker 2: isn't hell? That's the question? Twelve man? And that ship
Speaker 2: fucked with me? What do you mean that's like a
Speaker 2: Buddhist like purgatory. Yeah, that this could be purgatory that like,
Speaker 2: who's to say whatever this existence is is not? And
Speaker 2: I just remember, like, but he just said that ship
Speaker 2: to fuck with me though too, and I was just like, Yo,
Speaker 2: what the dam so that school? And I freaked all
Speaker 2: my friends out.
Speaker 7: I find myself daily, hourly just going I hope hell
Speaker 7: is real. I hope it's real.
Speaker 2: It is because it's it's something. Is how vivid are
Speaker 2: the depictions of like hell for Muslims versus like Christians?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, fire brimstone?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you got a little fire and brim.
Speaker 7: Yeah we got some fire and brim all.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah hey? And in that way there's more in
Speaker 2: common then there there are differences. And that's what is.
Speaker 7: What I'm saying. We can all get behind.
Speaker 2: Hell, but it ain't for us. The hell they're actually
Speaker 2: going to is the same hell that I think they're
Speaker 2: going to. And then is there like working class hell?
Speaker 2: And then like the people who control capital, like, is
Speaker 2: it is there? As a worker? Are you capable of
Speaker 2: doing evil that arises to Hell?
Speaker 7: I realized? Is that hell is a collective formulation of
Speaker 7: what we as the working class manifest. Mmmm, go on,
Speaker 7: what do you mean we like like an awesome improv herald.
Speaker 7: We build the experience of hell collectively for these fools,
Speaker 7: you know, like where's Waldo landscape?
Speaker 2: And we are hell for them, I mean our vision
Speaker 2: of it. I see, I see, I see, I see.
Speaker 3: You know what we put through see mm hmmm.
Speaker 7: Some people might put Nickelback in there.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, now you lost me. No, I'm not
Speaker 2: doing that, Not today, Satan. I saw you tried, you tried, Satan. Nope,
Speaker 2: not today.
Speaker 1: Nickelbacks saved rock and roll music from those devil worshiping
Speaker 1: Motley Crewe, hair Metal E.
Speaker 8: C d C.
Speaker 2: Nickelbacker descent, decent folk by the way, buckle buddies. I
Speaker 2: wonder if we could just give Elon Musk a couple
Speaker 2: of buckle buddies. Did you see him with those full
Speaker 2: those spoons and ship, Yeah, I wonder if we could
Speaker 2: just get him stemming on like some buckle buddies.
Speaker 7: And this is what I'm saying. I think we need
Speaker 7: to just.
Speaker 1: Out one of those one of those steering wheel things
Speaker 1: with the with the scrolling streetscape. I feel like we
Speaker 1: might be able to save some jobs here. I don't know, Alex,
Speaker 1: what's some of these things overrated Jake Tapper. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: now you're talking about my favorite news guys. Now, what
Speaker 1: do you mean this guy fucking rules? He tells it
Speaker 1: like it isn't all well, why.
Speaker 2: Why is Jake Tapper to hear you out? Judas he's
Speaker 2: kissing me? Have both cheeks?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Well? All right? Yeah.
Speaker 9: I So there's a website called one nine hundred Hot
Speaker 9: Dog that I write a column for once a month,
Speaker 9: and I did one recently about Jake Tapper because it
Speaker 9: turns out he wrote like the single worst blog post.
Speaker 2: I've ever read.
Speaker 9: Oh no, it's a blog post called gang Banging in
Speaker 9: media Land that he wrote for Salon dot com like
Speaker 9: twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: It was like, he's like, hot shit, young reporter kind
Speaker 2: of guy.
Speaker 6: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that the idea?
Speaker 9: The it's like a comedy piece. But the premise is
Speaker 9: he's gonna come up with like rap nicknames for everyone
Speaker 9: at the New York Times and the New Republic in
Speaker 9: order to do like humor about those magazines arguing about
Speaker 9: the rationale for the war in Iraq. And it's like
Speaker 9: if you just google gang banging and media like he says, like, oh,
Speaker 9: the New York Times is hoeing out on the New
Speaker 9: Republic and like a bunch of terrible.
Speaker 2: Like doesn't know how to even wow, he's he's yeah.
Speaker 2: His like opening paragraph is comparing it to the beef
Speaker 2: between The Source and Double xl Magazine for people who
Speaker 2: don't know, those are like semal hop magazines, yes, from
Speaker 2: the from the nineties and the Double X in the
Speaker 2: late nineties, but like that's rival hip hop magazines. The
Speaker 2: Source of Doubles are locked in an increasingly ugly feud
Speaker 2: that has reared its head in advertising. Boycott's rap records
Speaker 2: and nasty over the top gangst editorial slams against one
Speaker 2: another and then goes on to editorial slams. Okay, what up,
Speaker 2: shorty ass snoop kitty her b hatch I can't Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah you're right, Alex, we should. Yeah this dude, And
Speaker 2: he did this.
Speaker 9: Like a couple months before he was ABC News's talking
Speaker 9: hat at the White House, and like, like I think
Speaker 9: he's just basically some kind of actor or something like
Speaker 9: he's not I don't know what journalistic help he's ever
Speaker 9: given U anyone in his entire life, but people just
Speaker 9: like trust his face on TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's just got a bland blandly handsome face.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and a lot of those people are like that,
Speaker 9: so way overrated that that seat should go to somebody
Speaker 9: who'll like do anything for anyone else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, I've seen the episode of Celebrity Jeopardy where
Speaker 1: Wolf Blitzer goes up against Andy Rick Richard. Yeah, wolf
Speaker 1: Blitzer ends up in negative territory, and it just becomes
Speaker 1: increasingly clear like he is just a completely empty brand,
Speaker 1: like empty headed dipsh Yeah, and Andy Richter is smart
Speaker 1: as hell.
Speaker 2: I cannot stop reading this fucking book. It's like he
Speaker 2: should go. I look, well, I'm not for prisons at all,
Speaker 2: but if but this is what prisons is for. It's
Speaker 2: for dumb shit like this. Jake Tapper, true dad, affirmed
Speaker 2: Executive editor Snoop Kitty or kicking it old school in
Speaker 2: DuPont Circle. Uh right, right, Collinsio been acting JANKI one day.
Speaker 2: It's all inspectors. You went disarmament then buss a c
Speaker 2: K and disarmament is just an option. Dizam h. He's
Speaker 2: reading the blog. Yeah no, I couldn't. I couldn't. It's impossible.
Speaker 2: He uses the word n I z z A at
Speaker 2: one point.
Speaker 9: Oh where's Yeah, okay, And people do like weird stuff
Speaker 9: online when they're young, but he was. I did the googling.
Speaker 9: He's thirty three years old when he wrote that and
Speaker 9: had been in professional media for like several years. He
Speaker 9: is just a dartmouth legacy who fell into a seat
Speaker 9: like that's it. Oh, it's not good love that don't
Speaker 9: need the respect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, keep that on the d L you dartmouth legacy.
Speaker 1: What's something that is really incredibly fascinating that you've been
Speaker 1: covering a researching of late.
Speaker 2: But this is a special category just just for you.
Speaker 9: We like to ask you when you come on. I
Speaker 9: appreciate the one. The one that just came out is
Speaker 9: about salt. It's me and me and Katie Golden, of course,
Speaker 9: and then we had Jason bart And join us too,
Speaker 9: But it's the entire story of salt. And I grew
Speaker 9: up next to the former estate of the founder of
Speaker 9: Morton Salt. Like the rich guy, he turned it into
Speaker 9: an arboretum so you could like go look at the
Speaker 9: trees and stuff. But it turns out he revolutionized the
Speaker 9: salt business. If he waits in a row and like
Speaker 9: salt grains, look the fancy way where they're all different
Speaker 9: until the late eighteen hundreds, and then he made people
Speaker 9: really happy by making the uniform tiny white grains of salt.
Speaker 9: People people got enough of it.
Speaker 2: People were like, fak fuck, it's all little dust now
Speaker 2: rather than flakes I have to contend with in my hands. Wow,
Speaker 2: it's funny.
Speaker 1: Tired of all these look at me, look at me,
Speaker 1: little wanna be salt flakes that think they're so unique.
Speaker 1: I think they might be communists and they.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't give blood salt exactly, bad for you, too much salt,
Speaker 2: And thanks for asking.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I love topics like that where it seems like
Speaker 9: it'll be ordinary, but there's just a bunch of amazing stuff,
Speaker 9: that's all.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: I was actually just listening to the Blind Boy podcast.
Speaker 2: You ever heard that show? No, I haven't.
Speaker 1: He was just talking about salt potentially being one of
Speaker 1: the first drivers of civilization. So maybe you guys covered
Speaker 1: that similar stuff. Yeah, the idea that it could preserve
Speaker 1: meat and therefore you didn't have to like follow the
Speaker 1: animals around because you could just kill and have it
Speaker 1: preserved for a couple of seasons nearby.
Speaker 2: A couple of seasons. That's how long did you get
Speaker 2: that shit going.
Speaker 3: Man, that dry aid, dry aged salted beer.
Speaker 2: I don't think they were thinking about it like that.
Speaker 2: They're like, ooh, just hangish could snap into a slim
Speaker 2: gym maybe right right. It's a fun concept. That Jerky
Speaker 2: built similis, Like, I know it's really solid, but like
Speaker 2: that episode, Yeah, yeah, our god slim Jim.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come
Speaker 1: back and check out a couple cool videos.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back, and we're back. We're fucking back, man,
Speaker 2: and we're bad and better than ever. We're so fucking back.
Speaker 1: It's going to be increasingly interesting to watch as things,
Speaker 1: you know, fuck ups happen in this administration that have
Speaker 1: anything to do with technology. Give him what we've learned
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump? Donald Trump's relationship to technology. Andrew, did
Speaker 1: you see the clip of him talking about how Barren
Speaker 1: is a computer with.
Speaker 2: Because he turned it back on? Yeah, he turned it
Speaker 2: back on one more time. We got it. I just
Speaker 2: made the whole quote. I'm trying to turn it off.
Speaker 10: As I turn it off, I turn off his laptop.
Speaker 10: I said, oh good, and I go back five minutes
Speaker 10: later he's got his laptop.
Speaker 3: I said, how you.
Speaker 2: Did it, none of dad.
Speaker 10: No, he's got an unbelievable aptitude in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seems so old. He's got an unbelievable aptitude.
Speaker 11: I feel like Trump is one of those people that
Speaker 11: you know, he obviously is kind of dumb in a
Speaker 11: lot of ways, but he's like one of those dumb
Speaker 11: people who learns five smart words and just like runs.
Speaker 2: Them into the ground.
Speaker 11: And aptitude is one of those words many times, and
Speaker 11: it's not a word most people use, and it's a
Speaker 11: word that kind of makes me sound a little bit smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you use it too much, right, Everything.
Speaker 1: That's like used when trying to make average people see
Speaker 1: an incredible great aptitude at this he's basically a C
Speaker 1: student in technology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wonderful. Aude. I don't know about that. Jasmine Crockett though,
Speaker 2: she's got a bad app ude dude, yes what But yeah,
Speaker 2: this this whole fucking controversy scandal that now the media
Speaker 2: has I guessed they had so much trouble with all
Speaker 2: the other scandals, but this one, this is like old
Speaker 2: school scandals that they're used to, So now they're like, yep,
Speaker 2: that's bad, disappearing like foreign students for speaking out about
Speaker 2: and supporting Palestine. Yeah, yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: I don't know about just arresting people who are here legally.
Speaker 2: But because they have a tattoo and you're like they're
Speaker 2: in a gang, send them out. Salvador got got But
Speaker 2: this one it's also funny too. So The Atlantic has
Speaker 2: now published the full chat because the whole time the
Speaker 2: White House was kind of they were they were counting
Speaker 2: on the fact that they weren't because they felt like
Speaker 2: they're going to be responsible and not like.
Speaker 1: Show the chat they were saying like it was taken
Speaker 1: out of context essentially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also to be so adamant that nothing classified
Speaker 2: was discussed, No attack plans were discussed. There's not even
Speaker 2: so now we see the whole thing we've got they're
Speaker 2: talking about like when planes are in the air, what
Speaker 2: they're attacking, blah blah blah. There's one part too, where
Speaker 2: they're like, we got the target, we saw him under
Speaker 2: his girlfriend's building, and now the building is collapsed, and JD.
Speaker 2: Vance's responds excellent, like mister burns or some shit, and
Speaker 2: you're like, hold on, you guys flattened a fucking building
Speaker 2: to get one person, And I mean, this should be
Speaker 2: part for the course, because America is not about efficiency
Speaker 2: when it comes to going after targets about of any kind.
Speaker 2: But like, that was just one thing I read like
Speaker 2: that was a little bit like that details like the
Speaker 2: whole building's gone, so we're good, and yeah, that very
Speaker 2: burns the in response. But now because the transcripts are out,
Speaker 2: they can't just do the same thing where they're like, nah,
Speaker 2: they didn't talk about it, and then it sort of
Speaker 2: turned into well, actually, signal signal is actually really secure,
Speaker 2: so it doesn't even matter, and now they're just like
Speaker 2: the fuck am I gonna say? So for starters? Right,
Speaker 2: Trump is so fucking old and senile that he basically
Speaker 2: has no clue what any of this is. And it
Speaker 2: shows when he was asked directly like hey, what do
Speaker 2: you think about this whole signal thing, and he just
Speaker 2: sounds like an old guy where a bunch of young
Speaker 2: people were telling him it's not a big deal, and
Speaker 2: that's just kind of his energy.
Speaker 7: Do you think that Mike Waltz made a mistake and
Speaker 7: doesn't need to apologize.
Speaker 10: No, I don't think he should apologize. I think he's
Speaker 10: doing his best. It's equipment and technology that's not perfect,
Speaker 10: and probably he won't be using it again, at least
Speaker 10: not in the very near future.
Speaker 2: What do you have the sort I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Let's get everybody in the room.
Speaker 10: Whenever possible.
Speaker 2: That was Michael Walt's chief fuck up, the guy who
Speaker 2: did it, and that's why we looked there. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: was basically like, and we probably won't be microwaving any
Speaker 2: glowsticks anymore while wearing a beautiful shirt, and he's like, no, daddy, no,
Speaker 2: I will not be microwaving glow sticks in the microwave.
Speaker 2: I know that's bad, and then just kind of dismissing
Speaker 2: it is like it's a technology and a thing and equipment.
Speaker 2: No they don't. This is a fuck you guys. We're
Speaker 2: talking about classified shit and unsecured channels, which normally lands
Speaker 2: people in prison. This is his great genius.
Speaker 10: Sometimes you find out defects by exactly things like that.
Speaker 10: But I don't think it's something we're looking forward to
Speaker 10: using again. We may be forced to use it. You
Speaker 10: may be in a situation where you need speed as
Speaker 10: opposed to gross safety, and you may be forced to
Speaker 10: use it, But generally speaking, I think we probably won't
Speaker 10: be using it very much.
Speaker 1: Dude, gross safety, man, that's safety is nasty.
Speaker 2: This is like gross safety that you're trying to have
Speaker 2: like operational security for national security whatever.
Speaker 1: But so when he's talking about like using it versus
Speaker 1: like he does, he just mean like group the group chat,
Speaker 1: the technology of like having a group chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, because that's Mike. Well, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll definitely like get together in person. That's probably better
Speaker 2: than like in a skiff or something good.
Speaker 11: But also is there I mean obviously so I guess
Speaker 11: signal is not as secure as you would want for
Speaker 11: government war secrets, right, But isn't more important the fact
Speaker 11: that they invited a journalist to the chat. Isn't that
Speaker 11: also part of it? But they're not really addressing that
Speaker 11: part of it at all, right.
Speaker 2: No, because they have to kind of tack onto whatever
Speaker 2: they feel gives them the best chance of defending something
Speaker 2: that is completely they're defending.
Speaker 11: On the technology instead of being like, oh, he pushed
Speaker 11: the wrong button and like the RST button you could
Speaker 11: possibly push in that scenario.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, this is it's probably good that
Speaker 2: obviously we just played how do you do that clip
Speaker 2: where yeah, Trump is so like this is so far
Speaker 2: out of his depth. He does not have an aptitude
Speaker 2: for technology that these people can just basically give the
Speaker 2: excuses to Daddy and he has no clue. So he's like,
Speaker 2: I see, I see. So they're just they're tripping. Huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna he There's almost no chance that he
Speaker 1: hasn't at least asked if he can get Barren across this.
Speaker 1: He's not, you know, he's like, let me.
Speaker 2: Check with We're close. So we're close to this. So
Speaker 2: Michael Waltz, right, he's doing He went on Laura Ingram
Speaker 2: show to and just was doing, like just contradicting himself
Speaker 2: all over. Remember it was him that created the group
Speaker 2: and added people to it, and in most realities that
Speaker 2: would mean the buck stops with him. But his defense
Speaker 2: is very nonsensical. This is him trying to explain exactly
Speaker 2: what happened to Laura Ingram.
Speaker 8: Have you ever had somebody's contact that shows their name
Speaker 8: and then you have an and then you have somebody
Speaker 8: else's Right, you've got somebody else's number on someone.
Speaker 2: Else having loser in the group. It looked like someone else.
Speaker 8: Now, whether he did it deliberately or it happened in
Speaker 8: some other technical means something we're trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: This guy just said, so of course I didn't notice
Speaker 2: this loser that you added. This is the guy who
Speaker 2: added who added him, So of course I didn't see
Speaker 2: his lose. He tricked me into doing that.
Speaker 11: I also have to say, I've never had somebody's number
Speaker 11: on somebody else's name in my contacts on my phone,
Speaker 11: just just the base level of that. That's never happened
Speaker 11: to me. How is that happened? How is that comment?
Speaker 2: But he's like a loser, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And then did you see at the end he's like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you probably snuck into the group
Speaker 2: or something. What do you fucking fucking smeegel ass Lodge
Speaker 2: and the Tricksie Hobbits is group chat? Dude, you fucking
Speaker 2: added him.
Speaker 1: So this reminds me of like early podcast ads. We
Speaker 1: talked about this when we hosted the podcast words, but
Speaker 1: like when they were like the post office fucking sucks?
Speaker 2: Am I right?
Speaker 1: And everyone had to be like yeah, like they almost
Speaker 1: brainwashed me into being like, god, the post office is
Speaker 1: the worst place in the world. We all agree on that, right,
Speaker 1: Like they're just trying.
Speaker 2: They're just trying.
Speaker 1: To like make it seem like we're all constantly sending
Speaker 1: groups and like adding people who we don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh, like this happens all the time to all of us.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, this is you can keep trying, but like,
Speaker 1: this is not a problem that anyone has really run into.
Speaker 2: The dude, the excuses get worse. So then he's trying
Speaker 2: to be like, I don't know, like we gotta we
Speaker 2: gotta get to the bottom, like they're doing the hot
Speaker 2: dog car sketch right now, and he's like, well, what
Speaker 2: the fuck happened? So this is him going on about no,
Speaker 2: we got we're gonna really look into this. You've got
Speaker 2: some smart people looking into this. We're going to get
Speaker 2: to the bottom of it.
Speaker 8: We have I just talked to Elon on the way here.
Speaker 2: We've got the best technical minds looking at how this happened.
Speaker 8: But I can tell you added to him.
Speaker 2: I don't know this guy.
Speaker 8: I know him by his horrible reputation and he really
Speaker 8: is the bottom scum of journalists, and I know him
Speaker 8: in the sense that he hates the president.
Speaker 2: But I don't text him. He went on my phone.
Speaker 2: He wasn't on my phone. He was just having to
Speaker 2: diet coke man and he was just bothering me. Like
Speaker 2: this guy, he goes this guy from the by the way, technical,
Speaker 2: I don't know, you fill Baltimore, Like we need the
Speaker 2: technical minds looking into this your fucking fingers. Well, why
Speaker 2: do you think this guy was invited?
Speaker 4: How?
Speaker 2: How what do you think happened? He's from Boynton Beach, Florida.
Speaker 1: Jack, Yeah, wanting on I don't know because he want
Speaker 1: on his phone. So it's kind of crazy how you
Speaker 1: get in the group chat when he wanted there?
Speaker 2: Like I think I think the most the easy response
Speaker 2: here is that he is so bumbling and in nept
Speaker 2: that he doesn't even have the wherewithal to double check
Speaker 2: who's on a fucking group thread when you're talking about, yeah,
Speaker 2: like a military attack in Yemen. That sounds like the easiest.
Speaker 2: Other people like maybe he was trying to leak it
Speaker 2: to the Atlantic or something leak what yeah for d
Speaker 2: Chess of completely called the classic to the press as
Speaker 2: that one guy did his mulleny bit the other.
Speaker 1: Day, although now it sounds like the joker. It's a
Speaker 1: it's hard to do a good mulleny.
Speaker 2: I feel yeah, without crossing it over into Keith Ledger's joker.
Speaker 11: John John Mullaney does a great Millennie, one of my
Speaker 11: favorite mulleniey.
Speaker 2: John. But yeah, so right now, I think Trump said
Speaker 2: it again. He announced that Michael Waltz will be leading
Speaker 2: the investigation, and what happened with his own fucking hands.
Speaker 1: I mean it does like maybe somebody else added him,
Speaker 1: thinking they were adding somebody else. I don't like that
Speaker 1: is a question. Does he have a name that is
Speaker 1: similar to somebody who would like plausibly have been there,
Speaker 1: or like a number.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Goldberg I think in the article said it may
Speaker 2: have been this other person with the same initials, but
Speaker 2: they don't have the same name.
Speaker 11: Maybe maybe he was like, maybe he's like, okay, these
Speaker 11: are the people to add, these are people to definitely
Speaker 11: not add, and then he accidentally added, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's very very very very sad and dumb,
Speaker 2: and it says and I think that's the thing at
Speaker 2: this point, it's just so clear that these people don't
Speaker 2: know what they're doing at all, like to the point
Speaker 2: where they can't even they're just using signal for their
Speaker 2: for all this shit, like they work at some techn copy.
Speaker 11: Has anyone in the military commented on this, because I
Speaker 11: feel like people who are like putting their lives on
Speaker 11: the line, you know, in the line of duty, It's
Speaker 11: like they're the people I feel the should be the
Speaker 11: most mad about this, because it's like you're looking at
Speaker 11: our lives essentially as like a game that you're playing
Speaker 11: on this group chat and you're inviting journals. It just
Speaker 11: feels very disrespectful to like people who are taking this
Speaker 11: seriously and are actually like out there fighting for our
Speaker 11: country or something. I don't know, it's out like a
Speaker 11: hardcore military supporter, but it feels a little bit like
Speaker 11: disrespectful to that.
Speaker 2: And that's what I mean. That is the take of
Speaker 2: everybody who's just like, are these people like serious? Right right,
Speaker 2: You're already asking poor people to enlist in the army
Speaker 2: to do lence on behalf of the American empire, and
Speaker 2: then time that you're not even a fucking try and
Speaker 2: keep them safe. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but he's he's come back to Michael Watson, like Hexath
Speaker 2: and Night. We're veterans, we get we very much understand
Speaker 2: what here. We just don't know how to fucking text
Speaker 2: or none of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, military people are also some of the best
Speaker 1: at not talking about superior.
Speaker 2: People outside like it's all retired people who are Like
Speaker 2: some person said that the details that were like in
Speaker 2: the in that like that signal thread were like rise
Speaker 2: to like being court martialed in any normal instance.
Speaker 1: Well, that's has a person as high up as the
Speaker 1: vice president ever like openly, like that's against international law,
Speaker 1: isn't it to be like he just walked into his
Speaker 1: girlfriend's house and then we leveled the house?
Speaker 2: Excellent?
Speaker 1: Like that feels jazz, feels like a killing of an
Speaker 1: innocent person.
Speaker 2: Jack, what are you talking about? This is America, man,
Speaker 2: We don't I know, you know what I mean, But
Speaker 2: like watch collapse on innocent people and the media can't
Speaker 2: be fucking bothered one, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Have we technically ever had them, Like yes, we've seen
Speaker 1: like the wiki leak stuff where like people like entire
Speaker 1: wedding party parties are bombed and they're like Roger, but
Speaker 1: you don't have like Biden on the on Wax being
Speaker 1: like excell yeah, brother, yeah, like say excellent as a
Speaker 1: response to like he just walked into his girlfriend's place.
Speaker 2: Now it's leveled and excellent. Just feels like a new
Speaker 2: level of like you just did you just did it.
Speaker 11: That's yea, you're the that's not a slow down, slow down,
Speaker 11: you're turning me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's easy, easy, don't touch, just don't move, don't move,
Speaker 2: don't move, don't move. Okay, all right, just give me
Speaker 2: like twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, all right, so we'll see see where they
Speaker 1: he gets to the bottom of.
Speaker 2: His own fuck up, my own ascinating. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 2: they have. I mean they have started to be like
Speaker 2: it's it must have been a low level official like
Speaker 2: there they've there's been mentioned of some other person either way.
Speaker 11: At the end of the day, there's people who have
Speaker 11: an aptitude for computers and there's people who don't.
Speaker 1: Yep, And if Baron's not in charge of it, I
Speaker 1: can't be blamed. You know, you're playing with fire if
Speaker 1: you're not running everything back Baron even an.
Speaker 2: I message, you know, it'll be like Jack added Andrew
Speaker 2: to the group chat at eight thirty nine, people be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you know I'm talking about that sort of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my parents, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 11: I mean I've definitely had friends who have like been
Speaker 11: talking shit about someone and they accidentally texted to that person,
Speaker 11: you know, to that person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing I always hear about that thing.
Speaker 1: I always hear about someone saying thing about someone and
Speaker 1: there's like a weird like wiring in the brain where
Speaker 1: you just like send it to that person. I heard
Speaker 1: multiple people, but I've never heard somebody just randomly adding
Speaker 1: the wrong number to a massive thing. But except for
Speaker 1: on Fox News over the past three days, where they're.
Speaker 2: All like, I do this all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Jesse Waters is like hypothetical of like we've
Speaker 1: all added grandma to the bachelor party thing and suddenly
Speaker 1: she's getting twelve consecutive dick pics because that's what we
Speaker 1: do with our bachelor party.
Speaker 2: Bros.
Speaker 11: Just watched the movie from like ten years ago with
Speaker 11: that exact plot point of texting the wrong person.
Speaker 2: When you're talking about them.
Speaker 11: It was The Intern, the movie.
Speaker 2: With Vince Waugh.
Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, the Intern is Robert de Niro and
Speaker 1: Anne Hathaway and Hathaway.
Speaker 11: So Anne Hathaway is talking about her mom and she
Speaker 11: accidentally emails it to her mom, and then Robert de
Speaker 11: Niro has to break into her mom's house and get
Speaker 11: into her computer and delete the email. So this is
Speaker 11: something we covered fifteen years ago. And in the de
Speaker 11: Niro movie, Yeah, you can't be inviting the wrong person to.
Speaker 2: The group check. Yeah. Yeah, and that's probably their favorite
Speaker 2: movie her mind.
Speaker 1: Hathaway's mom does come back from Robert de Niro has
Speaker 1: to kill her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it turned into a different kind of movie. Get
Speaker 2: kind of fucked up.
Speaker 1: The deleted scenes from both that movie and uh, Meet
Speaker 1: the Parents, just the bodies that he's leaving in his way.
Speaker 11: Am Adam Devine has to help Robert.
Speaker 2: Process the corpse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: be back.
Speaker 2: And we're back.
Speaker 1: We're back, and Chris, as we do about this time
Speaker 1: in every episode, would we like to ask our guests
Speaker 1: something that you think is overrated?
Speaker 3: Well overrated? And I'll make this I really will make
Speaker 3: this quick.
Speaker 2: For everyone.
Speaker 4: What made me think of this was what made me
Speaker 4: think of this whole Republican thing. And Pepperoni is like
Speaker 4: deep knowledge of music is also like pepperoni to them,
Speaker 4: like it's like too exotic, Like we.
Speaker 3: Just need the normal bands.
Speaker 6: I don't need to know about a million bands. I
Speaker 6: need to know about Pearl Jam I need to know
Speaker 6: about the Allman Brothers and government mule. I need to
Speaker 6: know about quality, good bands. I just need about four
Speaker 6: bands to get me through. Four standard bands that go
Speaker 6: with my goal. Yeah, to go with my pants and
Speaker 6: my general attitude. Bands to be hacked, right long music bands.
Speaker 3: That are too cool to be hacked.
Speaker 4: So anyway that this, I had this radio show on
Speaker 4: college radio and a Republican kid who went to Vanderbilt, Kate,
Speaker 4: had a show after ours and it was called the
Speaker 4: Cocktail Hour and it was mad, but they put it
Speaker 4: on at eleven am. Our show was on like eight
Speaker 4: to ten or something. Best of Bread got it and yeah,
Speaker 4: it was on from two thousand and five to two
Speaker 4: thousand and nine. At some point in there, most of
Speaker 4: the students at Vanderbilt, you know, don't aren't aren't interested
Speaker 4: in college radio, so the whole schedule was wide open.
Speaker 4: So we had a whole the whole schedule was like
Speaker 4: locals and this. But this kid was for Vanderbilt and
Speaker 4: he was a preppy kid.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 4: Look he dressed like a golfer or whatever, and he
Speaker 4: and he and he came in and he was like
Speaker 4: and he played. First of all, he's like man I
Speaker 4: wanted the show is called Cocktailer. I was hoping they
Speaker 4: put it on at five, but he didn't understand, like
Speaker 4: you don't get to choose. Like he's like, they put
Speaker 4: me on at eleven am. Kind of ruins the concept.
Speaker 4: And we were like, yeah, it's a great concept, but
Speaker 4: yeah it's ruined.
Speaker 3: Cool, it's a crazy.
Speaker 2: And it used to be called happy Hour.
Speaker 3: So anyway, here's the thing about Republicans.
Speaker 4: It's like very much like choosing a commercially available app
Speaker 4: to transmit war plan or not having pepperoni on your
Speaker 4: pizza because you think it's communist. These guys, this guy
Speaker 4: played normal music on college radio. He played like we
Speaker 4: listened to his set as we were driving away in
Speaker 4: the car. He played like honky Tonk women Wow, And
Speaker 4: then he played Pink by Aerosmith.
Speaker 2: It is my favorite rick color.
Speaker 1: And then that's like Sander that was in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five to two thousand and nine. That is what
Speaker 1: is on most radio stations.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Republicans are idiots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they don't see it.
Speaker 4: Because they convinced themselves like, yeah, I don't need I
Speaker 4: don't need to go crazy and find out about every
Speaker 4: band when there's a perfectly good band called the Rolling
Speaker 4: Stone and ladies and gentlemen anyway, So he played, he
Speaker 4: played fucking honky talk women on goddamn college radio.
Speaker 3: That's what Republicans do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, I'm playing. Yeah. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you guys heard this little banger from Ario Speedwagon, but
Speaker 2: we're playing Can't Fight This fea. I think it's the
Speaker 2: first time anyone's heard this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're not gonna believe this.
Speaker 4: It's a live version off Ario Live from nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3: But he doesn't even know. It's like with all the
Speaker 3: wrong all the.
Speaker 2: Wrong band members the original Ario.
Speaker 3: So that's it. That's it.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Yeah, that's I don't know if I
Speaker 4: proved my case, but I think Republicans are so stupid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is the Cocktail Hour that it is Republican DJs.
Speaker 2: That guy probably has the number one podcast in America
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 4: And obviously both parties are horseshit. But I mean, like,
Speaker 4: in general, like being a Republican has always been like
Speaker 4: bragging about knowing nothing and thinking everything was going to
Speaker 4: work out just because you fucking you know, use the
Speaker 4: right because you use ivory soap and it drives your
Speaker 4: fucking skin out right.
Speaker 3: I don't need moist skin it, I don't need moist skin.
Speaker 1: You liberal fucking don't even know their skins right up right,
Speaker 1: it's just flakey. Let's talk. Let's talk about a news story,
Speaker 1: shall we. Yeah, over the past couple of weeks, we've
Speaker 1: seen a bunch of legal residents of the United States
Speaker 1: and students being disappeared because they either looked like gang
Speaker 1: members or they had the decency to speak up against
Speaker 1: a genocide. Yeah, and they're getting like in some cases,
Speaker 1: they're just like people in masks are coming up to them, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say almost all cases, these people are hiding
Speaker 2: their faces and like the tattoo. And I was just
Speaker 2: reading about a guy who had an autism awareness tattoo
Speaker 2: for their little brother, and they use that as grounds
Speaker 2: for being gang tattoo. Another added soccer ball. Anyway, and
Speaker 2: now we're seeing more students, you know, they're than like
Speaker 2: even students who weren't like necessarily like as if as
Speaker 2: if organizing a protest is worth having any kind of
Speaker 2: attention on you from authorities. But like, there's another student
Speaker 2: at Columbia named Ra Johnny Srinavasan who left to Canada
Speaker 2: because they were just like, oh they found out that
Speaker 2: she found out her visa was being revoked and had
Speaker 2: ICE agents knocking on her door, and she was just like,
Speaker 2: I wasn't even participating in the Hamilton Hall protest. I
Speaker 2: mean I have, like I have openly supported the Palestinian cause,
Speaker 2: but I wasn't necessarily at the rallies or where's your
Speaker 2: problem there speaking at them? But yeah, she left because
Speaker 2: she was just like this is fucked up. Then, like,
Speaker 2: there's so many stories like this. Another we also touched
Speaker 2: on Unsea O Chung, who's like another student from South
Speaker 2: Korea who's been here in the US since she was seven,
Speaker 2: but again deigned to have any kind of opinion on genocide.
Speaker 2: We've seen this with lectures at universities, and one of
Speaker 2: the most recent ones was like this disappearing of this
Speaker 2: PhD student, Romesa oz Turk, who was at Tufts University.
Speaker 2: And again she's getting a lot of attention because of
Speaker 2: her brazen daylight kidnapping that was caught on fucking video
Speaker 2: and it looks like some shit out of a movie,
Speaker 2: like she's walking on the sidewalk She's on her way
Speaker 2: to a friend's house to break her fast, and one,
Speaker 2: one by one, massed agents pull up, start pulling badges out,
Speaker 2: start clawing at her, taking her backpack off, putting their
Speaker 2: masks on, and throw her in the back of an suv.
Speaker 2: And you know, like we see all these things, we
Speaker 2: see what's happening with the government, and I think a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely all the time just sort of like internally
Speaker 2: and outwardly saying shit like, oh my god, me like
Speaker 2: what is this? Like Nazi Germany, and a lot of
Speaker 2: people do say this kind of thing. But I was
Speaker 2: just reading this piece by Daniel Besner, who's like a
Speaker 2: historian and he's been on Zeitgeist before. He wrote a
Speaker 2: piece in Jackman that kind of gave a little bit
Speaker 2: like some perspective that I really needed. He sort of
Speaker 2: points out that while this is all very disturbing and
Speaker 2: terrible and not normal by sort of like what we
Speaker 2: believe to be the everyday comings and goings of you know, America,
Speaker 2: it isn't some kind of like freaky fascism that is
Speaker 2: happening here that comes from like European history. This is
Speaker 2: all actually very American, and the laws being used are
Speaker 2: not coming out of thin air. They are American laws,
Speaker 2: and that just sort of gives a lot of these
Speaker 2: examples to sort of help recenter like what we're fighting against,
Speaker 2: cause I think it's it's very easy to be like,
Speaker 2: this is some foreign malady that's landed on our shores,
Speaker 2: and what do we do about this, rather than giving
Speaker 2: ourselves a little bit of historical perspective and understanding that
Speaker 2: the way out of this is truly like through reckoning
Speaker 2: with how we actually how our own laws are constructed,
Speaker 2: how our own systems of oppression are constructed. Like talking
Speaker 2: about presidents that act you unilaterate laterally without Congressional oversight,
Speaker 2: you know, you point to the fact that while typically
Speaker 2: Congress was the body that was empowered to officially declare war,
Speaker 2: the last time Congress did that was nineteen forty two,
Speaker 2: and since then we've threatened or used direct force over
Speaker 2: two hundred times at the behest of the president.
Speaker 1: Or a These weren't officially wars, you know, so we
Speaker 1: didn't officially lose them either.
Speaker 2: That's the undefeated. And like illegally detaining and deporting people,
Speaker 2: I mean, look, we've seen it in World War two,
Speaker 2: with what we've done to Japanese American people. This is
Speaker 2: also happening during Woodrow Wilson's presidency, and it goes on
Speaker 2: and on and on, and I just think, again, his
Speaker 2: point isn't that we just need to sort of chill out,
Speaker 2: because this is all just very par for the course
Speaker 2: of the United States. But again, like to frame it
Speaker 2: as this thing that isn't uniquely American, is not is
Speaker 2: counter to like effective resistance when this is truly also
Speaker 2: about reckoning with what has been constructed in the United
Speaker 2: States and actually figure out how to dismantle those things
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's hard for Americans to like the
Speaker 1: Israeli quote unquote settlers who attacked the Oscar winning filmmaker
Speaker 1: and like they had masks on as they did it,
Speaker 1: and it was like people were like, oh, that's like
Speaker 1: the clan again. But right then, when there's these asked
Speaker 1: police officers or whatever, these mask ice agents who are
Speaker 1: kidnapping people off of American streets for having the wrong opinion,
Speaker 1: they like, I feel like people aren't as quick to
Speaker 1: make that connection. Even though the klu klux Klan is
Speaker 1: the origin of American police thing, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Definitely entrenched in it. And also thinking about the people
Speaker 2: who were of high status, which is why they even
Speaker 2: covered their faces when they did that, because they couldn't
Speaker 2: they knew this was something they couldn't they couldn't reconcile
Speaker 2: that with their outward personas or identities. But yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just a I mean, I think the point being too
Speaker 2: is like, because I think a lot of people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: we just got to get rid of Trump, but if
Speaker 2: we don't get rid of the rule set that we
Speaker 2: just have in the United States, Democrats use these same
Speaker 2: laws to justify these same kinds of actions as well,
Speaker 2: So it's not I think that's like a larger point
Speaker 2: that we really need to think about and also really
Speaker 2: take a second to really sort of settle with that,
Speaker 2: because right now it's students who are who have visas
Speaker 2: who aren't technically United States citizens that they're you know,
Speaker 2: mistreating with impunity. The logic in history only suggests that
Speaker 2: this will then extend to actual citizens of the United
Speaker 2: States too. And to think that maybe this is like, well,
Speaker 2: it's gonna it'll certainly stop there and it won't come
Speaker 2: to us, I think is really really dangerous and we
Speaker 2: really need to look at what's happened, like especially with
Speaker 2: this student at Toughs like I think the only again
Speaker 2: charged without any without a crime, at no crime, that
Speaker 2: she wasn't charge with any crime. They're just like material
Speaker 2: support for Hamas. And I think the only thing they
Speaker 2: can point to is that she was in a byline
Speaker 2: in the university paper that doesn't even mention Hamas. It
Speaker 2: just asks the the administration at the school to recognize
Speaker 2: what is happening. That the International Court called this place
Speaker 2: the situation of Gozit for a high risk of genocide,
Speaker 2: acknowledging that and divesting as appropriate, and this is what's happening.
Speaker 2: And I think that's very fucking scary. It's very frightening
Speaker 2: and sadly very American.
Speaker 4: This this this, this is the moment we have to
Speaker 4: move beyond the two party system or we have to
Speaker 4: abandon both these parties. At this moment, I don't know
Speaker 4: how we're going to do it, but I think most people,
Speaker 4: well not most people, but a lot of people realize
Speaker 4: that we're appealing to the Democratic Party at this point
Speaker 4: is is pointless and and all you have to do
Speaker 4: is look at the history of the Democratic Party for
Speaker 4: the even the last like twenty years or fifteen years.
Speaker 4: You know, Obama. I cried and Obama got elected. That's
Speaker 4: how invested I was in party politics back then.
Speaker 3: And that wasn't that long ago. And I and I
Speaker 3: and I and I really thought something good was going
Speaker 3: to happen.
Speaker 2: And then they told us something was going to happen.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, no, Isaiah, I got you know, transparency.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm going to prosecute the bankers. Maybe I'm going
Speaker 4: to prosecute the war criminals from the administration. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, and anyway, and that was like quite the
Speaker 4: opposite with Obama. I don't know the stats, but I
Speaker 4: know he was doing tons and tons of drone attacks,
Speaker 4: you know, accidental weddings, and deporting and going after whistleblowers.
Speaker 3: So this is the thing.
Speaker 4: Whistleblowers haven't been deported because they're American citizens. And maybe
Speaker 4: maybe that's like a bridge too far, or it was then,
Speaker 4: but they did everything short of deport They ruined their lives.
Speaker 4: Like the people that broke the story that the CIA
Speaker 4: was still collecting Americans phone data or you know, like
Speaker 4: illegally the NSA, CIA.
Speaker 3: Those guys are like.
Speaker 4: Hey, there's a whole room in this building where they
Speaker 4: just have this thing that's copying the whole Internet, and
Speaker 4: they said they stopped doing that.
Speaker 3: Those people all were ruined.
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I forget the name of the guy
Speaker 4: I whish I had on the tip of my tongue,
Speaker 4: but that was a American citizen guy well snowed and
Speaker 4: had to leave. I mean, reality winner, anybody who tries
Speaker 4: to do the right thing generally, yeah, gets fucked like hard,
Speaker 4: not just Democrats by Democrats, just as hard as Republicans.
Speaker 4: So that if we really want that to change, you
Speaker 4: know that there has to be and we may be
Speaker 4: able to pull out like an AOC or a Bernie
Speaker 4: out of the We might be able to pull some
Speaker 4: like greatest hits out of the Democratic Party to start
Speaker 4: a new party, but I'm suspicious of even that. But
Speaker 4: I mean, we really need a third party or just
Speaker 4: I mean those parties are done in my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we have seen the absolute failure appealing to Democrats now
Speaker 4: is just like anyway, so.
Speaker 2: Well, I think because we still look at like America
Speaker 2: as like this house that like we still want to
Speaker 2: live in, and it's like we're nostalgic for it without
Speaker 2: really realizing how dilapidated, rotten and violent it is. And
Speaker 2: we're like insisting that it can be fixed, and we're
Speaker 2: but we're all we're all living under this same sort
Speaker 2: of oppressive cage and trying to think that like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe if we can just refer form this, it'll work,
Speaker 2: rather than like what activists have been saying foring like
Speaker 2: you can't, we can't reform our way out of this,
Speaker 2: like this has to be left behind because we're seeing
Speaker 2: what the status quo for both of these, both sides
Speaker 2: of this political spectrum, how that plays out, and it's
Speaker 2: not beneficial to normal people at all. It's basically two
Speaker 2: flavors of oligarchy. Yeah, and one one has like better
Speaker 2: marketing and the other is just more in your face
Speaker 2: with how fucking just brazen it is. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: to your point, it's every time people are like, I mean,
Speaker 2: like so many people are like god, what the fuck
Speaker 2: are they doing? Like we can't even fuck, like these
Speaker 2: people don't even want to have a fight. We have
Speaker 2: that energy has to kind of extend to also realizing
Speaker 2: we cannot let these people, you know, continue to try
Speaker 2: and convince the rest of America that like they are
Speaker 2: the solution to this problem that they are also the
Speaker 2: cause of.
Speaker 10: That.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, dude, you running is amazing. Kat Abu
Speaker 2: Gazle running in Illinois ninth District to against Jan Schakowski,
Speaker 2: that's great. The homie that is running for mayor in
Speaker 2: New York, Zorn Mamdani, who is just again talking that
Speaker 2: real shit about like we are leaving normal people behind
Speaker 2: and we are emphasizing the well being of corporations over
Speaker 2: really simple shit like being able to afford to get
Speaker 2: around the city or pay your bills or eat food.
Speaker 4: And whatever free speech we have left, we've got to
Speaker 4: use it. I mean, like right now, you can still
Speaker 4: run for office. It's not even hard, and you might
Speaker 4: not get elected, but you will get to speak to people.
Speaker 4: That was for me, like just getting invited to events
Speaker 4: where they gave me a microphone, right, you know, that's huge.
Speaker 4: Like being on a podcast is also huge. The fact
Speaker 4: that you guys are talking about this stuff fearlessly is huge.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited every time I hear someone telling the
Speaker 4: truth because it's dangerous right now, but it's a risk
Speaker 4: that has to be taken. You know it has to
Speaker 4: be and and you know I I anyway, Yeah, what
Speaker 4: you're saying is correct.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, uh.
Speaker 4: I'm just as I mean, I'm still wishing the Democrats
Speaker 4: would would do something because I grew up in this country. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I'm like, God, Chuck Schumer really dropped the ball,
Speaker 4: Whereas there's a lot of people are like, he's a profisient.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's his job is to drop the ball.
Speaker 3: You know, did you forget what you said yesterday?
Speaker 4: You know, because you keep wanting to go back to
Speaker 4: because everyone just wants to have some fun and like
Speaker 4: raise their kids.
Speaker 3: They don't want to deal with all this fucking bullshit.
Speaker 2: He's like the Washington generals. The Democrats more and more
Speaker 2: just seem like they are intentionally there to have their
Speaker 2: pants pulled down as the Harlem Globe trotters like put
Speaker 2: spin the ball on top of their Yeah, either confetti
Speaker 2: on their head. Yeah. It's literally called controlled opposition exactly.
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