WEBVTT - Chris B. Brown and Football Communication 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:06.000 Welcome to the Solid Verbal. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:08.200 Coll that for me, I'm a man, I'm forty. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:10.119 I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:12.680 be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edith 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.520 State is that whoo whoo? And now Dan and. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:21.880 Tye welcome back to the Solid Verbal Boys and girls. 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.480 My name is Ty Hildebrand, joining me as always over 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:25.720 there beautiful New York City. 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.440 Gan Rubinstein, Sir, how are you? 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:29.400 Oh? Ty? 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:33.080 I am jumping out of my seat. I am very 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.160 excited for this show. You already know because you've already 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.760 clicked on the episode that Chris B. Brown from Smart 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:39.680 Football and Smart football dot Com and the books and 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.839 everything is on the show. But what I'm most excited about, Ty, 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.000 and I'm sure you are too, is when we have 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.680 him on generally, it's like, oh, let's ask him a 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.800 question about guarding again, you know, defending the spread. Oh, 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.360 let's ask him a question about outside run contained. Oh, 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.920 let's ask him a question about how you know Auburn 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:06.720 offense has you know, changed from this coordinator to this coordinator. No, Ty, Today, 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.760 we are extremely excited because we are going to be 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:15.400 very specific and we want to talk about communication and terminology. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:20.520 Is that correct communication terminology language? Dan, Yeah, it's all 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:25.200 about building a relationship not just with your players, but 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.720 with your coaching staff. And how are we going to 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.600 call the plays? That's the question. How do we call 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.840 the plays that are going to help the team win? 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.400 Sue, And football is no different than any other industry. 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.959 Is you have to know how to speak, you have 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.440 to know how to communicate. You have to know what 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.120 you're doing and how you're doing it. And the only 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.880 way to do that is by teaching and telling people 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:49.920 what to do in a way that they understand. So 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.360 I am, I am super curious to learn about how 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.400 especially you know, obviously football has gotten a lot faster 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.080 in terms of no huddle and tempo and signaling and 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:04.080 coaches writing down play cards and what's on those, So 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.600 there's a whole lot to cover, and I am I'm 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.200 very excited to learn about or learn more at least 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.920 about the language of football, if that makes sense. 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.840 It is scheme theme That's why you heard a little 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.480 bit of a different intro track. Scheme Theme Month is 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.400 presented by our friends over at Oliver's Apparel. 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Go to Amazon aka 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:53.479 what's the name of the other book. 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.000 Chris Essential Smart Football. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.880 The Essential Smart Football. You've seen his work on Grant, 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:05.440 on ESPN, SB Nation everywhere, so much fun nerding out 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.480 over x's and o's and scheme talk and his books 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.640 by the way, and I mean this sincerely, there's no 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.279 better book. If you're just like I want to nerd out, 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.160 but not like spend three weeks. You can breathe through 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.520 his books. There are visual elements, They're wonderful and you 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.480 can get through them in a day or two. So yeah, 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.760 that's my spiel. Ty, How you doing. How you feeling 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:26.360 about this show? 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:27.160 I'm doing well. 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.720 The other thing that I would add here if anyone 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.400 out there is wondering how intense our guest is when 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.600 we connected up with him, this is a true story. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.920 When we connected up with him a few minutes ago, 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:43.000 he was sort of devising how he would conduct this interview, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.599 at least on his end, because he wasn't sure if 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.000 he'd need both hands to go through the signal calls 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.480 that we're going to ask came about if the speakerphone 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.320 would be enough for what we require here on the 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.320 verbal So Chris is taking this very seriously, and we 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:57.160 appreciate that. 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:58.120 Mister Brown, how. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.880 Are you good? Good? 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.880 I mean, hey, if you're going to talk about signaling, 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:03.600 you got to get a little like Nick Saban with 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.839 it and gesticulate and do the hands. 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.880 It's you got to be you know, it's I'm a 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.080 method actor. If we're going to be talking through this. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.200 We appreciate that. We appreciate. So let's start here. Okay, 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.520 we're talking about communication. You've got a freshman coming into 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.920 a program, you got a transfer of some kind coming 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.480 into a program. What is it that you always hear 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.640 something like, oh, I'm getting he's getting caught up, he's 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.960 learning the terminology. We kind of have an idea what 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:36.159 that means here, just as two sad podcast hosts. But 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.040 when you hear that, Chris, what what do you hear? 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:41.600 What exactly does that mean? 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.239 Okay, well, the part of the challenge that means different 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.200 things for different teams. So if you are in it, 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.599 are you a no huddle team? Are you a huddle team? 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:54.400 And then what what? You obviously have to learn whatever 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:58.360 language is being spoken to communicate the plays, and then 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.680 you have to figure out what are the features that 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.080 are required to actually relay that information to other players 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.200 to get people going. So just to take you know, 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.000 the simple example, I mean, my high school was like 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:11.520 the we used the Paul. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.560 Johnson method when I was in high school, which was. 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.640 You have pretty simple play calls and they were old school. 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:18.200 If you want to. 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.520 Run the ISO off tackle to the right, it was 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.240 forty two right. I mean literally our play calls were 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.400 I right, iformation right, forty. 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:27.000 Two ISO right. 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:31.080 And then in order to get the play in, do 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.840 you have we rotated receivers, was William the Paul Johnson method. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:35.680 You'd have a receiver. I did this for a little while. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.960 Myself was a junior, and then when I wasn't going 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.240 enough to stay on the field the whole game, and 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:45.000 then the coach would say, you'd hear the office corner 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:45.920 head coach go, what do we call it? 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.000 Say? I right, forty two and then it's give it 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:49.120 to you run in and then. 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.560 You're out of breath and you tell the quarterback, you know, 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:53.920 I write forty two, and then he turns round of 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:55.920 the huddle and tells everybody, I write forty two and 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:59.320 that still works, right, and so and that's pretty simple. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.120 And if you're a new player coming into that system. 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.520 You know, probably in high school or your junior college 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.080 or wherever you ran the off tackle play, and you 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.560 pretty quickly within a couple of days could learn to 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.560 translate whatever you called it at your prior school to 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:16.640 I write forty two. 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:19.920 And then the procedures are pretty simple. 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.280 You give it in the huddle and then you line 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.960 up there and you take the snap and you exec 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.600 get the play and I said Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech. 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.880 Does that believe or not. The other system that basically 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.240 the other place that basically does it the same way 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:37.559 is the NFL in terms of procedures, because they can 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:42.880 use the communication headset right, so they're just stating in 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:44.840 the huddle and they just say, hey, go run, I 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.240 write forty two, and then they huddle. You can turn 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:48.920 around and say I write forty two and then they 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.439 go and do it. Obviously, the difference in the NFL 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:56.000 is that the play calls are much longer, there's more 0:08:56.040 --> 0:09:00.199 memorization because it's usually broken out into finite parts because 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.160 they're trying to tell each player what to do. But 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.199 in terms of procedurally, it's pretty simple. The problem, I 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.079 would say for the challenge for a lot of these 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:11.679 college teams is that the terminology is more complex than 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.839 I write forty two. You've got to learn a wider 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.040 variety of formations, you've got to learn a wider variety 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.400 of plays tags on them, and then you have to 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:24.320 deal with whatever our communication procedures are because it's got 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.960 to get from the coach to the quarterback. Then the 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:31.040 quarterback has usually some level of responsibility at the line 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.120 to tell the other players what to do. And then, 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.720 especially if you're any kind of no huddle team or 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:37.680 want to go up tumbo at all, you've got to 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.880 do it quickly or you lose the value of that. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.120 So I think that's the challenge for a young quarterback 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.200 or a transfer quarterback is you've got to learn the language, 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:46.920 and you've got to translate all this stuff and some 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.600 learn new concepts and how things alter. But you've got 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.800 to do it in a physical environment where you've got 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.520 to do it quickly and get it related and then 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.600 interpret someone's doing hand signs at you. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:58.760 You know, you just got up with the ground. 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:00.760 You got to find the coach and then turn around 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.840 and communicate or make sure everyone else is, you know, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:05.839 on the same page. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.560 So that's to me as the challenge. I think that's 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:08.480 and I think that's. 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.320 The underrated part of it, which is it's not just 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:15.760 learning plays and learning names. It's it's learning multiple communication methods, 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.880 sign language, you know, code words, and then actually doing 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:19.920 in a physical environment. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.199 So we're going to dive into a lot of what 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.040 you just mentioned there, but I want to start with 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.880 the composition of a play call. So forty two might 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.160 be some sort of running play in high school, in college, 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.280 you mention. As you go up through the ranks, it 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:38.080 tends to get a little bit more complicated. I think 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.520 the secret language term that a lot of people. If 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.480 you've watched Monday Night Football, John Gruden, you're used to 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.880 hearing spider too. Why banana? What is the composition of 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.160 the wording of a play called? What other things are 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:54.720 signaled throughout just that terminology? And is there any kind 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.280 of common convention used to help these guys, whether it's 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.280 players or coaches, get up to speed quicker if they 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.160 move from program to program or team to team. 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:09.280 Yeah, So there's there's a couple of structural similarities because 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:13.480 there are just things that are inherent and calling a 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:17.719 football play, meaning that the first thing you got to 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.920 tell people is where to line up? Right, You got 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.960 to have a formation, and then the second thing is 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.640 are you going to do anything else pre snap before 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.400 the formation, like a motion or a shift. And so 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.360 you can have a whole system of how you call 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.200 your formations and then certainly your motions and shifts. So 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.320 for formations there are I would say two schools of 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.160 thought with this, And actually I used to be more 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:44.280 of the formal former, but with no how to push 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.600 these towards the ladder, which is I actually would prefer 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:51.000 a system where you have a handful of base formations, 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:52.839 meaning that it tells most people where to line up, 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.600 like twins right or left, or you can use colors 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.000 or words, and then you have tags which then tell 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.480 certain where to go, like the H back or the 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.240 full back type player or soft player. And the advantage 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.079 of that is I could have four or five formations 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.960 that tell ten of my players where to line up. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.640 But then if I've got a second call which tells 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:15.840 the h back where to go, and I've got six 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.360 options off of that, now I've increased the number of 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.679 formations exponentially. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.040 And I didn't have to add new words for everybody. 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.880 The problem in a no huddle context is. 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.880 Two concepts takes two signals or two words, so you're 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.920 always trying to fight the urge to make your play 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.360 call longer. And this is where and I'm a big 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:42.679 fan of simpler shorter, but remember simpler shorter means more memorization. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.320 Scott Frost did some clinic stuff recently and talked a 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:46.840 lot about that. 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.320 With formations, they basically if they've added a lot of 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.680 formations to what they did at UCF, and we'll be 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.400 doing it Nebraska compared to even what did it at Oregon. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.160 But that requires more memorization of players because they're not 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:01.480 willing to have these multiple word formations, which would give 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:02.439 you a lot of flexibility. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.119 And that's one thing the NFL guys. 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.440 Will do because they can give you, you know, one 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.240 way you're going to have hundreds of formations is to 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:12.319 have twenty formations and then have eight tags on those formations, 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:13.680 and then that you can just do the math. 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:15.360 It's an exponential increase. 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.080 And then you get into shifts and motions, which are 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.320 a whole other ball of wax, which is, you know, 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.240 how many different types of motions and then how do 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.320 you designate who's doing what? So those are that's before 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:30.760 the play even starts, right, So then the question is 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.320 is how do you call the play? And that can 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:34.880 mean a lot of different things, and there's a lot 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.680 of different ways to do it. You have eleven guys, 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.520 so you need to tell eleven guys what to do. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:41.480 You can do. 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.720 It as my high school did, or like a lot 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.120 of teams still, do you have one one word or 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.400 one number that tells all eleven players what to do, 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.319 or you can have it where you have different words 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.320 or codes or signals that tell the different groups what 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.760 to do. It may actually be the same play, or 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.240 as we can get into later, you know package plays 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.559 and things where it allowed and RPOs where allows you 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:09.200 to actually mix the match a little bit. But that's 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.800 a way to give yourself more flexibility. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:12.520 And. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.000 As we'll see with some of the tempo teams, that 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.840 actually can make you faster because you can have different 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.240 people communicating with different players at the same time to 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.000 make you go a little faster while having more variability. 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.040 So if you just break it down, usually the offensive 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:29.560 line needs at least one call. 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:30.440 What are they blocking? 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.120 And then the receivers need some kind of doesn't Are 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:36.640 they blocking, are they running a pass, or are they 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:37.320 running a screen? 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:38.840 Whatever it is? 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.720 And then sometimes it's common to have a base play 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.520 and then you've got to tag on that play. And 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.520 then the last thing that's often overlooked is many plays 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.160 need a directional call just right or left, and so 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.480 there's different ways to do that. But when you have 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.920 to factor that into so you add that up, even 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.120 if you're a no huddle temp, you can wind up 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.800 with six or seven different things that you've got to 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.040 signal or call in. And there's ways to divide and 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.760 conquer on all that, but six or seven different pieces 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:11.920 that you've got to communicate to get everyone lined up, 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:13.800 are they emotional shifting? 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.160 And then run whatever the play call is. And then 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:17.040 the quarterback has. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:18.440 To mentally be able to build a picture of that 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.520 in his mind so that he knows what he's supposed 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:20.720 to do. 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.920 So we know about coaching trees, and I guess let's 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.200 use the example of Scott Frost now that he's been 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.720 at Oregon. I guess Northern iowall be for that. But 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.680 ucf now at Nebraska is there like are there different 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.840 As you mentioned theories of communication that that would travel 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.720 along those same I guess coaching branches. If Chip Kelly 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.560 put on a headset listening to a Nebraska call, would 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.800 he sort of get the sense of what they're trying 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.000 to do because of his own experience, you know, obviously 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.000 putting in his system that Scott Frost learned from at Oregon. 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.440 Is there are there sort of languages or I guess 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.920 dialects within coaching trees that sort of spread through the 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:01.760 through the sport. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.520 Yeah, I absolutely, I acsolutely think so. But I actually 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.520 think college probably less so. And I think that's where 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:12.480 you get into the NFL where team players move around 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.000 a lot and sometimes they'll get it picked up off 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.760 the street and they've got to drop him in. And 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.640 there's definitely differences. The Patriots a little different than the 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.520 West Coast type team and some of these other teams, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.600 but that's there's a lot of carryover in how NFL 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.280 players they communicate and then there's some translation, but how 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:32.760 they communicate. You know, your buddy Jeff Schwartz, who's awesome, 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.320 is amazing, and he knows so much football, but he 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.480 will get like in an argument like all day with 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.160 like a fan about like what a concept is called 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.320 and he's definitely right that that's what it's called in 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:43.960 like the NFL. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:44.760 But I know high. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.720 Schools that will just call it whatever they want because 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.840 a usually there's some up tempo team and they don't 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.400 want the defense and know what it is and then 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.160 be some fifteen year old has no idea that the 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.240 weak side counterplay is typically called stutter, which is sort 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.160 of a you know, a you're anachronistic term. But if 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.720 you ask almost any NFL offensive lineman, they'll they'll, you know, say, oh, 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.800 the weak's side counter is called the stutter. And so 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:13.080 there are dialects and things that are carryover, but you know, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.240 and maybe this will change with the grad transfer rules 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:16.960 and all that. But college that I do find a 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:21.040 little more provincial. One one dialect that I think is 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.720 easy to start with because it's so simple and it 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.679 can kind of give you some flavors if you want, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:26.280 I can. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.080 I can basically tell you exactly. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.760 How the old school air raid guys will communicate from 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.280 start to finish, from when a play comes into Mike 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.440 Reach's brain to how he gets into all the players. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:37.760 I don't know if that's useful to do, because I 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.359 think they have a really simple system that arguably people 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.200 think they could steal the signals, which is a different problem, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:44.040 but it's a good. 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:45.280 Introduction to like how all these work. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.920 And then all these air raid guys they've now evolved, 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.520 but they all started basically with the same procedural mechanics. 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.560 What is that root? What is that root system? 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.560 So so here's I mean. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.280 The two things to know is that they have a 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:02.840 really simple structure where they have formations most of them 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.960 have one word because they don't want a lot of formations. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:05.720 And then most of. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.359 Their plays are they've got numbers. It's they have a 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.200 system where almost all their pass. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.400 Plays are numbered, but the numbers really don't mean anything. 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.520 They've vaguely mean something, but but they're kind of it's weird, 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:22.639 like you know, their five step dropback passes are ninety 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.200 plays like ninety one, two, nine, three, nine, four, ninety 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.360 five and then but there for some reason, they're three 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:32.280 step quick game. It's like sixty two or six nineteen 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.840 or six seventeen or like or eight. It like doesn't 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.199 make sense, but the point being the players learn it. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.240 And then it's they've only run some many place that's 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:45.320 easy enough to learn. So they have pretty simple building blocks. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.160 So the first thing if you and you can watch 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.600 a Washington State game, and I've been told that Leach, 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.160 I won't tell you what all the signals are because 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.919 I'll get in trouble. But I've been told that Leach's 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.040 signals basically haven't changed since like two thousand and three 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.800 at Texas Tech. But if you watch them, they'll call 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.840 for formations, and so the two formations. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:03.240 Probably run the most. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:04.720 And if you watch a lot of other area guys, 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:06.920 they still use the same signals for formations. It's ace, 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.280 which is they're two by two four wives, which is 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.760 you point your finger up in the air, or early, 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.879 which is trips right, which you literally just rub like 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.760 your eyes like you're getting up early, or then late 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.120 which is like tapping your wrists like which is trips left. 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.439 So early has an R in it, so trips right 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:23.800 and then. 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:25.639 Late trips left. Really simple stuff. 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:30.400 And then then each play just has like a one 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.720 hand signal to it. So and it's and one of 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.200 the nice things about studying to get introduced, Like you 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.080 watch Leech, He's the one signaling it. It's not one 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.879 of these teams with five signalers. Signalers on the sideline, 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.960 and so you know what he'll do if he wants 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:48.960 to call just one play, you know, one. 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.200 Play which is the one I'll give you, which is simple. 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.080 I think everyone knows it, which is their one, their 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.760 snag concept sort of try and go read. The flat 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.520 receiver runs, the corner back runs the flat, and then 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:00.840 the outside receiver runs like a quick slant or a 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.040 little sit down route. It's eight and so he just 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:07.359 taps his shoulder and so he can just call that 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.920 and then that goes into the quarterback and everything runs 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.399 to the quarterback. Or the thing Leech likes to do 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.520 is he'll do think about and so you'll see him 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.240 with call formation ACE. Then he'll tap the side of 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.119 his head, which means think about, and he'll give them too, 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.000 like a couple of plays. So then he can just 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:23.119 signal two different plays. They could be like ACE and 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:24.679 then like ninety five ninety. 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.840 Five being their their their white cross play which everybody knows. 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:29.880 And then the quarterback. 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:31.600 Then I think about that system as the quarterback can 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.800 either call one of those plays or any other play 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.600 he wants, but then at that point attend to the quarterback. 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.280 So if you watched last year. Like Luke Falk, this 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.639 is where the leech has his signals, right, and all 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.359 the area guys they kind of have their signals and 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.360 then but then at that point it becomes the players. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.119 So they got to they figure out how do. 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:51.199 They want to communicate and so the and this is 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.760 true for all most tempo teams, though this is changing 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:55.119 and we can get into Scott frost taw he does 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.920 a little differently, but most tempo teams, the quarterback then 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:02.160 relays the concept to the offensive line through a code 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:06.320 word and so which you can guess why. It's a 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.240 little harder for the offensive line to turn and look 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.080 at a signaler on the sideline, or certainly they can't 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.119 turn and look at a signal from the quarterback, So 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.560 you give them a code word. Well, how do you 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.959 You can't just call forty two, right, And so you 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.240 have to have a word that you can call. 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:22.960 And you can even call the same thing over and over. 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.840 Again, especially with protection schemes where you might change the 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:27.720 past play. 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:29.600 But the protection scheme will stay the same. 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.800 And so you use word association every high school the 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:35.000 college NFL team doesn't. 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:36.440 So it could be words. 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.280 That star with b you know, you know, Budweiser, Bronco, 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:41.160 whatever it is, and they all mean the same thing 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.600 or a really common one and give you give you 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.800 one old one from Gus Miles on which sure's changed 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:51.919 so I won't get in trouble. Which is their their counterplay, 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:54.480 like the counter blocking play. For a long times called 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:57.760 cult was one word, but then you could use you 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.200 could call it Indie or luck for Andrew Luck. 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.480 There's a quarterback of the cult. It's really simple stuff, 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:04.600 not exactly brain surgery. 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:06.880 But you know, if you're the defense and you've got 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.600 two seconds, you don't necessarily know that there's a luck 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:11.920 and culture that's necessarly the same thing. 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:13.880 You might get used. Over time, they change. 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.800 Their calls, and then then the quarterback and the air 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.640 raid system will then signal everything to the receivers, which 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:22.880 he has his own signal. The receivers and the quarterback 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:24.600 just make up their own signals a year to year, 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:25.800 and so that's where they. 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:27.320 Can kind of take ownership of that stuff. 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:30.439 And then the nice thing of that system, since everyone's 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.119 looking at the quarterback, if he wants to audible, he 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:33.800 can make a call. 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:35.879 Usually it's like easy, easy, easy, and then he just 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:36.159 sort of. 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:38.919 Resignals everything and then that's it, and then they get 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:40.600 up and go. And then the other advantage of that 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.040 is you can call like a block like a run 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:45.160 play at the line, and then you could call either 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:48.080 a pass route or a screen to the receivers. 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:48.719 And it's just done by signal. 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.640 So that's that system, which is really simple, and that's 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:53.520 been the framework for a lot of those guys. The 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:55.879 problem with it is, as you can guess, is that 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.320 if you want to go really really fast, it's actually 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:02.920 kind of slow. Coach the quarterback, quarterback to line, quarterback 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:07.040 to receivers. So probably you know most tempo teams now 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:13.680 if you watch them, it's coach the quarterback, quarterback to line, coaches, 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:17.879 signalers to receivers at the same time and then and 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.360 then that which then you're able to do that simultaneously, 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:22.760 so you take out that extra step so that you 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:24.159 shave a few seconds off and you can go a 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.520 little faster. And then the last thing I'll say is 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:29.760 I think Frost has moved to He's an example, he's 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.720 moved to actually having a different, an entirely different signaler 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:36.280 for the offensive line. So they're they're not even getting 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:40.359 that extra step from the quarterback. So it's going skill 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:42.840 and offensive line, two different signalers. 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Who 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:17.560 has sort of put the biggest stamp on tempo communication 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:20.080 in the last I don't know, twelve years or so. 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.000 Yeah, it's hard to say because the thing you have 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:25.280 to remember, piets of different goals when they want to 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:28.360 want to what they want to do, so and there's 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:31.480 a big difference between being a tempo team sometimes and 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.920 being a tempo team all the time, and that has 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:38.280 significant implications on how you build your communication system. So 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:42.240 simple example, the New England Patriots, especially if you go 0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.919 back a few years, really good tempo team. Actually they 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.480 they can turn on a switch and run tempo and 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:50.520 they literally started doing. 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:50.920 And it goes back. 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.080 You know, BILLI Bryan's talked about US a bunch. You know, 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.320 in twenty eleven and twenty twelve, they sort of stole 0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.920 the idea from Oregon where they would just have six 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.400 for eight calls in the game plan for that week, 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:05.280 which were one word calls. And again that goes We 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.560 literally did that in my high school too. It was 0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:10.600 like Orange was like a two minute call. I mean, 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:14.439 we're not again not like brain surgery here, and you 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:17.320 just call Orange or you know whatever the term is, 0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:19.520 Patriot or something, and you can go fast and then 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:21.600 everyone knows what to do. And that includes the formation 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.880 A lows you go really fast, and then the rest 0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.679 of the time, the Patriots can signal, they can huddle, 0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:28.800 they can do all those different things. And the idea 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:30.520 is that you take a piece of your game plan 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:35.320 and you and you supercharge it. Again to use Frost 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:37.280 is he talked about that they really started doing that 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.439 at Oregon and they and where it really clicked was 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.120 in twenty ten and the game that Frost will mention 0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:44.720 this when they played Tennessee. I'm sure Dan you well 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.520 remember when when they played Tennessee and they really played 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:49.159 well early, but they really wore them down and then 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.680 blew them out in the second half. And they that 0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:53.679 was one of the first games where they did that concept. 0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:55.679 And they had like seven plays so they could do 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:57.879 that fast and in the second half they were just 0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.280 doing those over and over and over again. The flip 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.520 side of that is that if you're a team like 0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.440 Maleson's team, everything. 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:10.040 You do is no huddle or built to be no huddle. 0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:11.520 So when you're. 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.199 Teaching on day one, you're not teaching forty two and 0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.920 then translating it to here's the no huddle version of 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.439 that in you know, later in the system, you're teaching 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.040 it as this is what we do. 0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:23.520 Everything is being signaled. 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:27.600 You actually will learn the place in a no huddle context, 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.320 and then you're ready to receive the information that way, 0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:33.640 and that's how the plays are taught, which significantly impacts 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.439 how you set up your offense because one of the 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.959 downsides of being a no huddle up tempo team all 0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:42.320 the time is and this is one reason why the 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:44.920 NFL is not you know, you don't be rarely. You 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.200 don't see any teams go one hundred percent because it's 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:51.000 very difficult to tweak and make in game adjustments when 0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:55.080 you've drilled down your play is to just Patriot or whatever, 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:57.480 because then now the defense is shifted and. 0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:58.560 You want to run it, but you want to do 0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.160 it a little differently or out of tag you can't. 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.680 You're just you're in. You run Patriot again and so, 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:04.480 and then. 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:05.560 The only way you could also do it is you 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.440 get on the sideline and say, next time we call Patriot, 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:08.080 we're going to do this. 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.440 So it's it's it's it, you know. 0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:13.680 So, which are not to say that Gus and his 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:15.200 system they don't have the answers to that, but they 0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:18.400 have to build it within a no huddle framework because 0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:20.760 they can't just go huddle and then make easily call 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:21.840 a couple extra tags. 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:23.720 I think Tip Kelly was a big influence. 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:25.440 I think the air Ray guys is there's so many 0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.080 of them, and they've been going no huddle since like 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.680 the nineties, so they've gotten pretty good at it. There's 0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:33.280 a bunch of schools of thought, certainly all the teams 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.320 that started doing the freeze call, where your call formation, 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:38.800 you fake the snap and then everyone looks at the sideline. 0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:40.600 I mean, there was a time when every team did that, 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:43.760 So whoever was the first to do that was obviously influential. 0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:45.200 But I think there's just a lot of different ways 0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:46.080 to skin the cat. 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.000 The other thing that comes to mind, Chris, because I'm 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.000 guessing there are people at home listening to this, who 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:53.880 are blown away by the complexity of it all. But 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.200 we all know those rushed moments in a game where 0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.080 it's very apparent that two plays have been called in 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.400 the huddle. How is it possible within the framework of 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:06.080 all this to do that if maybe you don't have 0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:09.080 a play that's only one word, How do you communicate 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:13.680 multiple plays at the same time in a situation where 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:15.360 perhaps you're running a two minute offense. 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:17.200 Well, I think that's the key. 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:19.200 You probably wouldn't do it much in a two minute 0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:22.760 offense setting. I thought, we're breaking in a couple categories. 0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.840 So one I already touched on, which is the maybe 0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:27.920 most unique. But I do think one of the more 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.160 interesting ones, which is the Mike leachs where he does 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:31.560 think about and he just sort of gives a couple 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.360 of suggestions and the quarterback just calls one. There's the 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.520 Peyton Manning version, which is where you actually huddle and 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:39.240 then you lay out like you spill out a. 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.720 Whole long thing, and then you get to the line 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:42.200 and then. 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:45.960 You call kill kill kill, which or whatever your term is, 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:47.920 which basically means run the second. 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.000 Play or the third play or whatever. 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.840 And then everyone in the huddle heard what are the options? 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.360 And then and then most no huddle teams. 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:03.280 Don't don't don't really call the college no huddle teams 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.680 which you say, don't call multiple plays to the line, 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:07.280 because it sort of defeats the. 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:09.800 Purpose of being no huddle. It requires another call. 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:11.720 So typically what they'll do is we'll either do the 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.120 freeze call, which I said before, which is. 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:18.400 You don't call a play. You you get lined up, 0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:18.880 you do. 0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:20.760 That, you fake the snap, and then everybody's you know, 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:22.520 you see what the defense does, and then everybody looks 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:24.880 to the sideline and then they then then you call 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.240 the play. The other thing to remember is that one 0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.120 of the constraints of these no huddle teams, and this 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:32.040 is one of the problems that Chip Kelly had in 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:36.920 the NFL, is he had no audible mechanic, which is 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:38.720 sort of hard to believe for an NFL. 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:38.920 Team, But. 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.320 You know, by going fast and having multiple signalers for 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.400 multiple positions, you didn't have that central person who could 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:50.080 then come Peyton Manning or Tom Brady who could then say, 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.240 you know, just change the play. And that was a constraint. 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.680 Now what they had was it one they'd go no 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:57.240 huddle and. 0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:58.720 They could get the defense lined up. 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.080 And then two, this is where RPOs have come in 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:04.960 and package plays and all that stuff is the idea 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.720 that you've build or just read options. You build the 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.800 answers into a single play, and now you don't have 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:13.800 to check to a pass or check to a run. 0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.000 It's built into the to the play call and then 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.200 therefore from the and really one of the reasons r 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.040 pos I think exploded is because it fit well within 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:25.800 the uptempo no huddle framework, because you could call one 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:29.880 play and then the quarterback without communicating anything, could throw 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.480 it or hand it off, or you read it or whatever. 0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:35.640 So I think there's less of unless you see a 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.640 team huddle. And I'm not saying no one ever does this, 0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:40.360 but unless you see a team huddle, you're not calling 0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.080 multiple plays that much. The caveat I'll give to that 0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:46.400 is that you've got to remember the other The secret 0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:49.440 weapon for a lot of coaches is the wristband. And 0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:53.200 so there's a lot of stuff on that wristband that 0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:54.240 and you can. 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:54.960 Use them different ways. 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:57.120 You can give them to the quarterback or you'll see 0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.160 a lot of teams they give them to everybody, and 0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:04.400 so that allows a little it's slow because you've have 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:06.440 to call something out and usually it's just a list 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:09.600 of plays that are that are numbered, so someone can 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:12.960 either signal or a quarterback could announce twenty five. 0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.080 And everybody looks at their wristband. It's he's twenty five. 0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:17.800 Are there any Are there any kind of like situational 0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:21.320 guidelines on those wristbands? How detailed or complex do they get? 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:23.840 I mean it sort of toy. Depends on who you 0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:25.120 are and what your team is. 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.160 And and what what purpose you're using them for. So 0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:32.040 one example is and Peter King wrote like an mm 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.360 QB piece right after the Super Bowl. Nick Foles wore 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:40.200 a wristband in the super Bowl and the sort of 0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.800 the final touchdowns, I don't know, I to go ahead, 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.920 I can't remember. For just the final touchdown the slant 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:48.160 passed to Zach Ertz where they ran bunch the right 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.400 and put the back and bullet motion and went the 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:53.680 four receivers one side and through a slat back side. 0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:55.960 The play called the Nick Foles on his headset was 0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:58.960 wristband one four five, And he looked at his wristband 0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:01.040 and then I think he hudded, but it was just 0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.080 on the wristband. And now the reason they did that 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:05.640 is just a more efficient way to make sure the 0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.000 whole play call got in and I had to pull 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.120 it up. But the you know, the play call is 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.279 something like you know whatever protection and it was like 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.600 excellent Z follow or something like that. 0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:16.719 So they had the whole play call which communicated to 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.200 the players. But in that. 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.000 Context, it was just a more efficient way to get 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:24.160 the concept to the folds. The other thing you'll see 0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:25.800 tempo teams do, and you see a lot at the 0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:29.279 high school level, they'll give everybody risk bands so that 0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:31.560 the coaches when they're doing these signals, they don't have 0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.960 to have as we talked about with like the air 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:37.200 rate system, they have to have a signal for every play. 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:38.719 But one of the problems is if you want to 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.399 change your plays or have different concepts, or you've got 0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.440 tags so you know, meaning that you have three or 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.840 four words to call the play. So you don't have 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:47.760 to make three or four signals. You could just signal 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:51.000 everybody twenty two and then the whole team looks at 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:54.280 their their wristband and then they know what to do. 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:56.719 To flip to the other side of the ball. 0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.319 Good example of this is Gary Patterson at TCU, who 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:02.040 has to deal a lot of up tempo teams in 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:07.759 the Big twelve. He's got a very crisp and well 0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:11.160 thought out system for calling his defenses. And I don't 0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:15.120 just mean calling the coverage, but there's what Gary Patterson 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:15.720 does on defense. 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:16.640 He'll he calls. 0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:19.240 Different coverages the different sides of the field. He often 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:22.000 also often calls a trips check, meaning. 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:23.239 That we'll do this eatside of field. 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:24.680 But then if the lineup and Trips will call this 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:28.160 other coverage, and then he's got what he wants the 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.560 front to line up in, meaning where did the defensive 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:32.640 line and the linebackers line up. And then he'll have 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:36.680 stunts and blitzes which tell and he can put him 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.080 in combination so that guys can do different things, which 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:40.920 is a great system, but as you can imagine, it 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:44.080 can get wordy, and so when you're going against Oklahoma 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:46.320 or Texas Tech or whoever's going fast, you got to 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.239 communicate it quickly. And Gary Patterson is well known that 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:53.239 he started having all his defensive players wear wristbands and so, 0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:55.959 which is a great system, but there was a great 0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.960 moment on the Coaches Show the Coach's Film Room this 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.120 year for the Rose Bull when Gary Patterson was there, 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.719 and then Dana Holgerson was there, and and Major Apple 0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:07.160 White who used to be in the Big twelve and 0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.640 if he was a Texas in a couple of places, 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:12.800 and they were talking about a player I mentioned earlier 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.240 from air raids to some ninety five with the White 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.640 Cross because Oklahoma ran a few times and all those. 0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:18.400 Air RAA guys know it, and. 0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:23.440 Gary Patterson's offensive corners for air ray guys. But and 0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:25.120 they were joking about, oh, we know the signal for 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:27.040 ninety five and had to change the signal, and then 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:28.719 I think it was Major Apple apple White, but it 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.360 could have been. Holgerson turned to Patterson and said, do 0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.840 your players all still look at their wristbands whenever you 0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:39.800 call it blitz? And Patterson's face like dropped and everyone 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:41.759 and like you had like Billima and those guys like 0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.000 burst out laughing, uh. 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:45.239 And it's and and and it was. 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:49.000 It was funny because Patterson's blitzes are worthier than his 0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:52.399 base calls. So they had picked up on a little tell, 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:54.759 which is and he said it it's someone. It was 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:56.560 like it was like that was like Big twelve knowledge. 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:58.600 It was as like, yeah, you know, you tell your 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:00.799 players if they look at the wristband, they're bringing the lips. 0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:03.000 That's that's that's a good coaching point you give them 0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:03.600 during the week. 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:08.360 Well, you you enter into territory that we had planned 0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:11.239 to ask about. And hopefully it's not too CD. But 0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.440 of course everyone knows about Spygate and what went on 0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:17.839 in the NFL, And look, it goes on at all 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.960 levels of competitive sports. I don't care if it's baseball 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:24.840 or basketball or football. There is always some kind of 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:29.480 operation to break another team's signals. How complex is that 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.759 operation on the college level, How difficult is it to 0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.960 actually pick off a tel kind of like you've described 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:36.800 with Gary Patterson. 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.920 Yeah, I'd say it's not actually that hard to pick up. 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:43.400 How complex it is is a good question. 0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:46.480 And I don't I don't know. You know, I couldn't 0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:49.120 tell you if you took the SEC. 0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:52.000 Program X, which has a lot of they all have 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:56.640 a lot of resources and people. Do they have people 0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:58.600 who are just basically trying to crack the code all 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.920 the time. Probably, I'm not sure exactly what they what 0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:04.719 kind of operation they have. I can tell you from 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.759 the other side, there's a couple of different schools of 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.279 thought on it. One is, and I probably lean more 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:15.400 to this, is that if the other team is spending 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:18.000 that much time trying to crack your signals, then they 0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:21.960 probably and then trying to actually figure out what that means, 0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:25.160 communicate it, and then and then make it actionable for 0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:27.560 the defense in a way that they could actually do 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:31.920 something about it. Especially in a world where players can 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:36.200 check plays and you have you know, RPOs that can 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.640 be different types of plays, it probably. 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:39.600 Does the more harm than good. 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.120 I was talking to a high school coach recently talked 0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:46.120 about that, you know, the opponent they you know, at halftime, 0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:48.359 he could tell these guys were stealing their signals, but 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:52.480 they were killing them. And so they they did a 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.400 couple of things where they kind of faked the signal 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:56.360 and then ran like a faken go or something. 0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:58.560 But then also they just kept doing it. Then after 0:38:58.600 --> 0:38:59.280 the game they. 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:00.960 Won by like forty point, the other guy was like, 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.400 I was all over your signals, and it was like, okay, 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.200 very helpful and and and actually it could work against 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:09.439 you because you're you're you know, especially if you're facing 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.520 an up tempo team where you're trying to tell your 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.920 players watch for this or that and they're not bringing. 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:16.000 Their keys, it could work against you. 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.160 I will say that means if you're not an up 0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.399 tempo team, it may not make a lot of sense 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:22.680 to be saying they're doing your signals to where the 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.359 other team can pick them up, because then it maybe 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:27.600 becomes a little more actionable. The other thing you think 0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:29.520 about at the college level is and I've talked to 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:31.400 head coaches about this, and they say that one of 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.160 the bad parts if you're the signaler and you're a 0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:35.920 head coach is the TV cameras always on you. And 0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:39.160 so I know for a fact that that staffs will 0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:43.080 line up the TV the TV broadcast with the All 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:44.400 twenty two film. I know they do it in the 0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:45.759 off season, and I'm sure some of them do it 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:47.719 during the season to see if they can pick up 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:51.239 signals that way and line them up and figure that out. 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:53.960 So it look it happens. 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:57.600 It's it's it's a question of how actionable it is 0:39:57.680 --> 0:39:59.200 and is it a problem? 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:00.400 And then how do you respawn? 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:03.759 Because the answer from if you're going to keep them 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.560 from cracking the code is to make your system more complex, 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:09.720 but probably the biggest thing is just to be intelligent 0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:12.239 about it. One of the two I'll mention is one 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.200 is that I've talked to a bunch of coaches about this. 0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.440 One of the hardest. 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:20.000 Things in that if you're going to signal or do 0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:24.160 any kind of up tempo is how do you indicate direction. 0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:26.440 It's it's it's the thing no one thinks about. But 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:28.719 if you've got to play power or counter or even 0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:32.480 your past protection scheme, right or left can often be 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:34.680 a it's sort of like cracking these like you know, 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:36.719 these like World War two codes, like if you can 0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:39.480 find the common link, then you can use that to 0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.560 crack the rest of the code. And it's it's very 0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:45.440 often the thing that can be a giveaway, and you 0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:48.239 have to do it one way or the other. If 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:50.200 you use code words, you see a lot of teams 0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:52.600 try to come up with the two ways. 0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:52.880 One. 0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:54.359 You just have a bunch of different ways, say right 0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:57.239 or left, and then somemes. You you know, if you 0:40:57.320 --> 0:41:01.120 take Auburn, for example, they can say right or left. 0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:05.680 They could say red white, they could say colors differings. Alabama, 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:08.319 I know for the last few years, they may change 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:10.399 it for next year. For a lot of their run 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.839 plays use north and south a lot that's a code 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:15.400 word for right or left. So if they've got a 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.759 run play, they can say it and they say north 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.520 or south that means right or left. The other way 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:23.560 to do it is to actually combine the substance of 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:27.960 the play with the directional term. And so a term 0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:30.000 you'll see and like every single playbook, but it has 0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:33.160 different meanings. Is you see a lot of like righty lefty, 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:37.360 ram lyon rip liz for some reason. Is this football 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:39.480 term that shows up in every playbook because it's just 0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:40.480 a single syllable that. 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:42.759 Means right or left. You can also do it with 0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:43.760 I think. 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.720 Alabama for their protection schemes, the jack jill is one, 0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:49.279 so jack being right, Jill being left for a six 0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.920 man half live protection. So you just you do it 0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:54.319 that way and then you can also do things the 0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:55.879 other one. You see a lot a lot of teams 0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:57.640 put their Z receiver on the right and their X 0:41:57.719 --> 0:41:59.200 and the left, so you can use X and Z 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:02.920 words so you know, exceon and zebra stuff like that 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:03.680 to combine them. 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:05.319 So you could you can you can do it. 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:09.960 So the point being, if you've got a robust system, 0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:13.319 that's that's that uses multiple signalers a few different ways 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:15.040 the signal. You can do some code words or you 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:19.000 can do signals, and then it's not easy to tell 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:21.799 at some point it's diminishing returns. She just had to 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:23.880 try to spend a lot of time on this stuff 0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:25.719 and then really make it actionable. As long as you 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:29.080 change it somewhat regularly. The challenge is always going to 0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:32.040 be your your in conference, your division opponents, the people 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:34.359 you play multiple times a year, because those are people 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:36.640 are going to pick up on it. The last anecdote 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:39.600 I'll give is a couple of years ago. It was 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:42.880 a famous sort of tete a tete about this. You know, 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:44.880 Baker Mayfield of course. 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:45.640 Had many. 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:49.600 Many people he wasn't very happy with, especially coming out 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:51.720 of his recruiting process and his transfer process. 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.680 So I stored a few years ago. 0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:58.279 When the year he sat out at Oklahoma, his quarterback 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.320 coach at Texas Tech when he was freshman with Sonny Comby, 0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:04.840 who went and then after that left and became a 0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:08.280 co offensive coord at TCU, And then of course Baker 0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:12.240 was at Oklahoma and there's a story and Gary Patterson 0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:16.640 after the game said that Baker Mayfield was standing on 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:18.080 the sideline next to I don't know if it was 0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:21.400 Stoops or some other defensive coach watching Sonny Comby to 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.319 steal their signals and then telling them their signals during 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:27.719 that whole game. And I think Baker basically was like, yeah, 0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:30.640 you know, like like I knew their signals. They were 0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:32.400 using the same ones with a Texas tech just in 0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:33.799 what I could do. I think they they all made 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:35.680 the point, didn't make that big of a difference because 0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:38.880 they could only so much they could do. But it 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:40.560 is something you just had to be intelligent about it. 0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:42.719 You have to have a backup plan. You have to, 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:44.719 you know, there are I've talked to high school coaches 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:46.040 where they like I was in the second quarter and 0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:47.600 it was clear the other team knew our signals and 0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:51.000 so we had to do something. And often the other 0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:54.239 thing to remember you can use it to your advantage. 0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:56.359 Saw Peyton Manning. 0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:58.840 Give a talk not that long ago, and actually I 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:02.799 asked them about this because I remember the play. It 0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:05.760 was like the year he broke like the touchdown record 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:08.920 and the first game they hit like a like a 0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:10.880 receiver screen. A couple of times, I can't remember the 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:15.160 code word, but he would often audible the receiver screens 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.360 at the line when he's got a favorable look, and 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:19.719 then he used a code word. And then in like 0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.680 the third or fourth quarter, he used the same word, 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.400 and then they ran the fake pump and go screen. 0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:26.240 And then went for a touchdown. 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.680 And I asked him and he didn't come out to 0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:31.400 say it, but he confirmed that they that was an 0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:34.160 adjustment they made that they thought the other teams, the Ravens, 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:38.480 were trying to steal the code word, that that was 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.759 the receiver screen. So then they just said, I mean, 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:43.040 talk about a great fake. Not only do you pump 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:46.040 and you fake the play, but pre snap you make 0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:48.680 the same whatever he was, you know, you know, like 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.520 rocket screen or something. You say rocket and then everyone's 0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:54.000 from the fake screen. That's really how you fake them out, 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:57.200 because they actually have they think they're they've caught onto 0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:57.600 your tail. 0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:00.799 So you can use it. You can always break the 0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:01.759 Tennessee and use. 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.480 It offensively to your advantage, even if you think the 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:05.880 other side stealing your signals. 0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:08.960 Picture boards on the sideline, are they a thing? Are 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:12.240 they not? A thing. Are they sort of a thing? Uh? 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.600 There, there they are. They are definitely a sort of 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:18.319 a thing. You know, they're They're actually a surprisingly controversial 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:22.000 topic in the in the coaching world. In that I've 0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:25.319 I've I'm always surprised, even up Temple people are like, oh, 0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:28.439 those stupid coaching boards or picture boards, Like I hate 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:31.960 those things. I think the thing to remember about them 0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:35.720 is that unless you have like sixty boards in your sidelines, 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:39.160 they can only convey so much information because you're gonna 0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:43.040 run a lot of different plays. So there's a lot 0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:44.719 of coaches who will tell you that they'll use them, 0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:46.759 and they literally are just dummies. They just hold them up, 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:49.400 and then it just it just is a distraction from 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:52.759 someone actually stealing their real signals, and then there's a 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:53.239 merit to that. 0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:54.680 I think most. 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:57.400 Teams that use them use them for some limited purpose, 0:45:58.200 --> 0:45:59.759 and then it's also a way for everyone to have 0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:04.480 fun with it. I think, uh, the most common. 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:08.800 Way to use them, and there's a couple of sect 0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:10.479 at schools and I know, we'll do it this way. 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:13.479 They have a couple of different signalers and then which 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.480 boards or which side of the boards you hold up 0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:17.160 basically tells the players which. 0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:18.759 Signaler to look at, which one's. 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:21.279 Live, and then that's the way to just create some 0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:26.879 confusion around uh, you know, the so the signals can't 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:29.160 get stolen, and that's something you can change quarter by 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:32.960 quarter or you know, you know each half of which 0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:34.640 which side of what board is right, and it can 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:36.920 take a while for the defense to and the coaches 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:38.840 to figure that out. And then there's other things you 0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.200 could use that As I talked about the directional the 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:44.279 right left, it can solve that problem if you hold 0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:46.160 up you know, whatever side of that that can mean 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:49.680 right and the other side can mean left. So and 0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:51.759 then and then you can get even more complex with 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:53.960 if you hold it up and then a certain similar 0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:56.160 is doing this, that means you're running this type of play, 0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:59.239 and then other ones you're getting code words. So you 0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.439 know some of the I use Malas on example, because 0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:04.680 I don't really worry about anyone stealing his stuff because 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:10.160 he has probably the most complex system that I understand 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:12.239 parts of it, but I certainly don't understand all of it, 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:14.560 and I'm sure he changes it a lot, where it 0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:17.359 involves the boards and involves signalers and involves code words 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:21.800 and involves communication, and then different things will mean different different. 0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:23.920 Different things will be. 0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:27.400 Different things depending on what kind of play call he 0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:29.480 uses a lot about series like this will be live 0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:30.600 on pass plays, it's. 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:32.799 On run plays, I's on specials, that kind of thing. 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:36.200 So, but the picture boards in his system typically will 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.160 tell you which signal to look at, or it can 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:39.400 be a directional term. 0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.680 We've talked to a couple coaches and players who all 0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:46.279 actually sort of said the same thing about coaches consulting 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:51.399 players when it comes to favorite plays installation and saying, oh, 0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:54.160 I'm third and seven plus what types of plays do 0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:56.560 you like between the twenties or something like that, and 0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:59.080 across the board, everybody says they, you know, coaches will 0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:01.680 consult players because they want them to run what they're 0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:05.160 most comfortable with. Does that sort of carry over to 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:10.320 communication methods Coaches sort of taking into account how players 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:15.640 are best used as communicators that like, sometimes they'll experiment with, 0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:19.280 you know, maybe this quarterback is better with like longer verbage, 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:21.920 Maybe this quarterback is better with shorter verbage and conveying 0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:24.719 and communicating. Ultimately, these quarterbacks have to be able to 0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:29.400 either quickly or coherently tell everybody or tell some people 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:34.120 to play. Do communication methods vary based on player or 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.719 quarterback preferences, I'm not. 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:37.879 Sure if methods do. 0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:40.600 I think that ends up being like a team function, 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:42.960 and so that a lot a lot goes into it. 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:44.960 There's obviously other players, there's what. 0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:47.880 Kind of tempo they want to do, what just seems 0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:49.920 most efficient, And I think it's also hard to do 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:52.000 that sort of in season. 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.759 Those are typically you know, season to season. 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:57.600 Judgments, and it's often a reaction to, you know, can 0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:59.960 we get faster? Can we get slower? Do we need 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:03.600 to add more offense to to have a wider variety 0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:05.480 of things like maybe we were really fast, but we 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.919 just couldn't We weren't very flexible. But I do think 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:11.480 in terms of what the signals are and what the 0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:15.080 code words are, almost every code you talk to will 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:18.760 tell you. The more you can make the players involved 0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:21.120 in that, the better, because for no other reason, they 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:24.520 will remember whatever it is. More if if if you 0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:26.399 or I come out there and be like, we're gonna 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.480 run power, We're on an inside zone, we're gonna run 0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:29.919 this pass play, and here are the signals and here's 0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:32.880 the code words. You know that people might retain some 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:34.480 of that, but it's gonna take more time. But if 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:37.360 you say you make them take ownership of what the 0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:39.640 signal are, the signals are, they're gonna remember it because 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:41.040 they came up with it on their own and they'll 0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:42.839 talk about it. You also get the better of them 0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:44.480 talking about it when they're not at practice and in 0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:48.040 the meeting you're actually talking football, so you get a 0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:50.880 lot of benefits of that. I think a lot of 0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:52.239 that stuff gets worked out in the. 0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:56.920 Spring or the summer even And again, the more organic 0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:57.800 you can make it. 0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:01.080 And the more the more ownership the players have, the better. 0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:02.440 And then and that's where. 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:07.239 Language is dynamic, right, I mean, this is where you 0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:08.719 know our language, English language, you. 0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:09.520 Know all this stuff. 0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:13.640 It's they evolve their dynamic, all that David Foster Wallace 0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:18.239 stuff and linguistics. So it often takes the life of 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:19.920 its own. I mean you have again, I use like 0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:22.120 mamin Vin has got a very formal, rigid here's this 0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:24.400 and that. But the one reason those air raid guys 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:26.240 do a pretty good job of it and it actually 0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:28.960 survives even though it's pretty simple, is it's it ends 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:31.960 up being more like how people communicate and that they 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:33.480 kind of figure it out and then they're able to 0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:36.160 do really subtle moves that even though you think you 0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:38.319 could pick up on it, it's you know, you just 0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:40.480 miss it, and so it becomes a little more of 0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:43.440 organic and it's, uh, you know it really is. 0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:44.560 It's just learning another language. 0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:46.400 I think Seth La Trail was on there on your 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:48.200 show talking about that it's just like learning a language. 0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:51.200 I mean, it's it's learning another language, learning sign language. 0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:53.040 I mean, that's all. It is, fair enough. 0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:55.239 And I'm sure you saw the I think it was 0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:58.239 called the Two Bills, Bill Parcels and Bill Belichick, And 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:01.839 one of those sort of antidotes was anecdotes was Bill 0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:05.919 Parcell's killing Bill Belichick calls. You know, the call would 0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:08.319 come in and as you know, traditionally, you know, a 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:11.279 head coach would hear the call and either not say 0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:13.799 anything or tweak it or whatever, or say you know, 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:15.960 no that we're not doing that whatever, we're doing this. 0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:20.000 When now we are in an up tempo age where 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:24.000 a head coach killing a caller, adjusting a call takes seconds, 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:27.200 takes time going back and forth with a coordinator. Is 0:51:27.239 --> 0:51:32.319 that dynamic still around where coaches will go and back 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:34.960 and forth with the coordinator to get the call that 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:39.440 they want, or are coordinators now more empowered to just 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.040 sort of go go without having torry about a play 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:42.920 call getting killed. 0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:46.960 I think I think there's not enough time if you're 0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:48.840 if you are a go go, up tembo team to 0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:50.040 do it between plays. 0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:51.520 You know, at most it's. 0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:55.000 Like one word like no, yes, run, you know, and 0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:57.880 then maybe cand blurt out something. I think what it 0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.880 does is it one one reason why you see a 0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:03.400 lot of these up tempo play callers or head coaches 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:07.920 because because they're they're they're they're they're not delegating that stuff. 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:11.440 They're doing it themselves. And so the second is that 0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:15.520 there's a lot of in between serious communications. So there's 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:18.000 a lot of between serious saying that work, that didn't 0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:20.440 work this next series? What are your top you know, 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:22.239 you get a couple of guys, especially the guy in 0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:24.240 the box. There's a lot of these play callers signalers 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:28.759 on the sidelines, So there's that that kind of communication 0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:31.600 is you know, what are the top three things that 0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:33.520 you that you see, what are they doing to this? 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.520 And then what can we call? And then you kind 0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:36.840 of work out a plan and then you try to 0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:39.120 get the drive started and then that then that's also 0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:43.000 where you've got to have a an organized play call 0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:45.399 sheet because the sort of going back to the old 0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:47.440 Bill Walsh stuff, the goal, the goal is to get 0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:49.040 to the point where all this stuff has been thought 0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:51.920 through during the week, and so you should be able 0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:53.799 to You've coached them on enough, you've seen, they've seen 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:54.320 the situation. 0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:56.000 You got flexible enough calls. 0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:57.799 With r p O s and whatever it is that 0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:00.759 you can on many situations just look or most you 0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:02.880 just look down at your sheet and call the next 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:05.120 play on the sheet for that situation. And that should 0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:07.360 be as simple as it is, and if you're not 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:09.400 having a terrible day, that should be how it works. 0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:12.240 Not to say it works all the way in practice. 0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:13.959 They come up with a different defense. You can't block 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:16.880 a guy, you know, you have an injury. There's different 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:20.799 things that tourtally can supersede that. But that that puts 0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:23.640 a lot of pressure actually on your call sheet because 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:26.960 the best, to me, the best nohel play callers are 0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:28.799 people who aren't really doing a lot of Like I 0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:30.920 just came up with this brilliant call in the moment, 0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:33.120 they're just looking at the call sheet and calling the 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:33.680 next call. 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:36.520 So that means, yeah, that was my sort of follow 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:38.160 up is just sort of tiny. And an extension of 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:41.760 that is situationally how much is on that call sheet? 0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:44.520 How much is sort of situationally determined ahead of time? 0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:47.560 You know, is it you know every third and third 0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:51.920 down situation distance and place of field? You know, is 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:56.280 every you know, thirty second offense, two minute offense, goal line, 0:53:56.400 --> 0:54:00.600 red zone? Like how intricate is it situationally pre determined? 0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:03.520 Totally depends on the play caller. I mean we use 0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:05.520 Mike Leads to an example. I mean he's got like 0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:08.920 five categories. It's called she's got openers. There's like twenty plays. 0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:13.719 He's got third and long, third and short coming out, 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:17.520 going in and specials and screens and then and that's 0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:20.200 like it like right, so, and then you've got the 0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:24.279 NFL type guys where they have you know, very broken out. 0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:26.160 One thing you see a lot of no huddle guys 0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:28.400 is that they like to they'll do it by hash 0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:30.600 mark on the left, hash right, hash midle of the field, 0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:33.000 which I think is a clever thing because you end 0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:34.759 up using the leverage of the field a little better. 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:37.799 And then and then you also can break it out 0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:39.759 into what part of the field you are and you 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:41.480 backed up, Are you in the middle or you in 0:54:41.560 --> 0:54:44.359 sort of the outer red zone, the green zone, all 0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:49.000 those different things and so and it's just broken down. 0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:49.200 I mean. 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:51.080 The other thing you got to you remember is that 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:54.799 you do it proportionally based on how many of those 0:54:54.840 --> 0:54:56.600 situations you have. 0:54:56.680 --> 0:54:57.240 In a game. 0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:01.560 So most teams go into the under the game, you know, 0:55:01.680 --> 0:55:03.040 with for two point. 0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.239 Plays, it's it's. 0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:06.879 One, maybe two, and then often they don't call them 0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:09.239 and they go four weeks and they have the same 0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:13.279 one on that situation for two point plays. The good 0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:17.000 teams only have so many third and long calls because 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:19.920 there's so many third and lungs you actually really encounter 0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:22.799 in a game. You have a lot of first and 0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:26.680 second down calls, you know, third and short, second and short, 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:27.239 the sort of things. 0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:30.279 You just have a couple. So it actually works out 0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:32.239 if you do it. You know, you organize it. You 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:35.719 don't have like ten ten, ten, ten ten for every situation. 0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:39.920 It's proportional, so you know your total is not overwhelming. 0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:42.120 And then it's just the feel of the play caller. 0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:45.400 You know, do they feel like they need more more categories? 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:46.040 Is that helpful? 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:49.279 It's also something Kyle Shanahan's you know, call sheet has 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:52.080 like very intricate. He's got like every situation broken out 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:55.920 and different things, and that allows him to go to 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:59.239 the situation more quickly because he's got some complicated calls 0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:00.719 he's trying to get to. Or is again he used 0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:02.760 like a Mike Leach, It's like, just call the next. 0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:03.680 Thing, Chris. 0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:05.640 We're going to get you out here with two quick ones. 0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:08.040 My first, and it's sort of a question we've been 0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:10.239 asking all of our guests here during scheme theme, but 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:14.279 we talk a lot about emerging trends, about evolutions of 0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:17.200 be it a scheme or some other element of the game. 0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:22.160 Is there any innovation afoot as it relates to communication. 0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:26.000 We talked earlier about technology and the impact perhaps that 0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:28.480 it is having on the way that plays are called. 0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:32.640 Is there anything else that you find particularly interesting about 0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:37.120 the means that teams are using to communicate their plays. 0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:39.680 Yeah, I guess a couple of things, but I think 0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:43.759 the biggest drivers is technology and rule. So it's just 0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:46.000 a different world in the NFL where you've got the. 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:49.560 Helmet radio, so you can communicate. 0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:51.440 And I think one of the interesting trends you saw, 0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:54.239 actually Chip Kelly was doing this a lot with the 0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:57.040 tempo stuff, but the guy who probably did a better 0:56:57.520 --> 0:56:59.439 Sean McVay there with the rams, is that. 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:00.839 In the NFL, almost to pick this up. 0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:04.120 They get the play call early and then but trying 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:06.439 to get lined up quickly so the radio is still 0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:09.400 running and so they can basically have an ongoing dialogue 0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:12.680 quarterback about what they see and then even audible and 0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.759 things with you still keep coaching them all the way 0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:17.760 up to that moment by getting lined up more quickly, 0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:19.919 which a big advantage over getting lined up with four 0:57:19.920 --> 0:57:21.560 seconds left and you just have to call to play. 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:25.920 I think you know you can't do that in college obviously. 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:29.440 I think one thing you're seeing is that I think 0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:32.280 more teams are moving to almost a pure signaling system 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:35.600 because I think the fear is that the code words 0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:39.640 are a little bit easier to crack. And then obviously 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:41.600 you can then run up in a very loud stadium 0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:43.640 and it's hard to communicate and things like that, and 0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:46.720 then obviously signaling to the line and everyone is it 0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:49.600 can be you know a little more efficient. The downside 0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:52.720 of that that I think you wouldn't think about is 0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:55.120 it depends on who your signaling is the offensive line 0:57:55.240 --> 0:57:58.160 is because you have to practice all this stuff, and 0:57:58.200 --> 0:57:59.920 you have to if you're doing it right, you should 0:57:59.920 --> 0:58:02.400 be calling plays in practice the same way you win 0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:05.440 in the games. And if your offensive line coach or 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:09.120 assistant offensive line coaches signaling the offensive line, they can't 0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:12.040 stand in practice where they would normally stand, which is 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:14.800 behind the offensive line. So that's one reason why you 0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:17.040 actually have a lot offensive line coaches will resist that, 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:20.400 and they like the quarterback giving the code word. 0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:22.520 But I do think teams are increasingly. 0:58:22.120 --> 0:58:25.360 Going to signals because I think the thought is that 0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:28.960 the signals are a little harder to crack. But I 0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:32.200 think the only other thing is is that tension of 0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:36.880 how fast can we go versus how much flexibility and 0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:43.960 how much complexity can we add in Because the days 0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:47.760 of just running fifteen plays out of four formations really 0:58:47.800 --> 0:58:51.280 fast and having the defense off kilters is quickly going. 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:53.960 By the wayside, defenses are too good. 0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:56.000 They're able to react, they. 0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:58.840 Can call complex stuff on defense and sort of shut 0:58:58.840 --> 0:58:59.200 you down. 0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:01.400 So how can we efficiently do that. 0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:04.880 That's why I mentioned you know, Scott Frost, because I 0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:07.600 think he's been He's taken the chip Kelly system and 0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:10.440 has added a wider variety of run schemes, more formations, 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:15.080 more of things like that I used, you know, not 0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:17.280 that they were Juggernaut this year, but Jeff Brohm there 0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:20.160 at Purdue, but especially when he's at Western Kentucky, he 0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:22.800 took kind of the pro style system they learned in 0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:25.280 the NFL and from Petrino, and he took the whole system, 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:27.480 but he made it one hundred percent. You can run 0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:29.360 the whole offense of no huddle, which I think has 0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:32.360 interesting implications if you could run a true profile system 0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:36.840 but where everything is signals is in aesthentsics. I should 0:59:36.880 --> 0:59:39.640 say exciting because it gives you a lot more flexibility 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:42.280 to do a wider variety of things. It could still audible, 0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:44.880 you know the things that that you know, when an 0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:47.040 uptemple offense is rolling, it looks great. But then when 0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:49.960 it gets shut down again us chip Kelly example, you 0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:50.600 can't audible. 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:53.720 You can't you know, adjust to the defense. You can 0:59:53.720 --> 0:59:56.960 get you can get bogged down. So I think that's 0:59:57.000 --> 0:59:58.600 really where it is is that can you come up 0:59:58.600 --> 0:59:59.720 with simple, easy. 0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:02.480 To learn things that actually give you enough flexibility so 1:00:02.480 --> 1:00:04.720 that when Alabama and Nick Saban show up with a 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:08.440 thousand defenses, that you're not just stuck running like fourteen plays, 1:00:08.680 --> 1:00:10.280 because all of a sudden you go from looking like 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:12.440 you're the greatest offense in the world to like you 1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:13.800 no longer have the answers. 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:15.760 All right, Chris, We're going to get you out of 1:00:15.800 --> 1:00:20.080 here with perhaps the hardest question yet. What is the 1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:24.400 longest play that you can both remember and recite on 1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:25.360 the podcast today? 1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:29.240 Oh? Man, I can't. I'm not doing this. I'm sorry, Like, 1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:31.040 I mean, I can like look them up and all that. 1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:32.760 I mean, it's just sort of a I try to 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:34.000 block that stuff from my mind. 1:00:34.040 --> 1:00:34.720 I mean, I'm not. 1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:38.000 Trying to do the the Kyle Shanahan John Cruden thing, 1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:42.040 you know, like I write forty two blasts seven z jet. 1:00:42.080 --> 1:00:43.840 I feel like when people do that, they often throw 1:00:43.880 --> 1:00:45.640 in a couple of those as you brought up tize 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:48.000 like to kill well. 1:00:48.000 --> 1:00:49.880 They like the extra play, so they like it makes 1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:51.080 it sound like really long. 1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:53.280 But really they've called like four plays and then now 1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:55.240 we have like seven unnecessary shifts. 1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:57.840 So if you really want, I can try to dig 1:00:57.880 --> 1:00:58.920 something out. I mean I can. 1:00:58.960 --> 1:01:01.400 We can make it as long as we want. But 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:04.240 I mean, and I think that's the But that's the 1:01:04.240 --> 1:01:06.960 interesting tension, right is it's you know, do we literally 1:01:07.040 --> 1:01:10.400 need a play where we tell a formation where we 1:01:10.440 --> 1:01:12.680 have five ways to tell everyone where to line up? 1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:14.120 There's just eleven. 1:01:13.840 --> 1:01:15.480 Guys, and then do we need to tell all eleven 1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:17.760 players individually what to do? Or can we try to 1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:20.480 break down in a way that's coherent? But then we're 1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:23.280 not stuck calling forty two blasts over and over again. 1:01:23.440 --> 1:01:27.360 So if someone else has a better answer than me, 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:28.680 that's that's that's that's fine. 1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:30.160 I'm happy to get with that. Mantle. 1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:31.880 Let's go with forty two blasts. 1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:33.120 Yeah, I'll stick with that. 1:01:33.640 --> 1:01:36.760 Well, I'm fine with that. His name is Chris B. Brown. 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:39.200 You can find him and all of his fine work 1:01:39.560 --> 1:01:44.240 out on smartfootball dot com. Chris, this was incredible, Dan, 1:01:44.360 --> 1:01:46.400 Is that the right way to characterize illuminating? 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:48.880 Illuminating? This was tremendous. Thank you so much for all 1:01:48.880 --> 1:01:49.520 your time. 1:01:50.160 --> 1:01:51.160 Trust me, my pleasure. 1:01:51.320 --> 1:01:54.120 And also when you guys get critiques and corrections, silver 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:55.040 to pass in my way. 1:01:55.360 --> 1:01:57.960 We will, we will get we will add all addendums 1:01:58.000 --> 1:01:59.360 to your inbox. 1:02:00.000 --> 1:02:03.360 All right, Dan, Again, that is Chris B. Brown from 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:07.520 Smartfootball dot Com. If you've listened to the program, you 1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:10.160 know that we've had Chris on the show over the years, 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:12.120 again to learn all about the x's and o's of 1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:12.960 college football. 1:02:13.080 --> 1:02:13.320 Yep. 1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:19.840 Today though his insight was particularly tasty, and so tasty 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:23.000 that he very much earned the moniker Chris by Brown 1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:25.320 that we've given to him over the year. It just 1:02:26.200 --> 1:02:29.480 I am blown away by the complexity of all this. 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:32.720 I am a nerd at heart, as I know you 1:02:32.800 --> 1:02:36.320 are as well. To hear the thought, to hear the 1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:39.720 fact that they made up their own language, that they 1:02:39.760 --> 1:02:42.080 have to that it requires them to make up their 1:02:42.080 --> 1:02:45.280 own language. That makes my heart smile, Dan. That makes 1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:47.880 me so happy that we do what we do because 1:02:47.920 --> 1:02:49.120 it's just so damn nerdy. 1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:52.720 Yeah, and it's it is kind of crazy that Chris 1:02:52.920 --> 1:02:55.520 is not a full time football writer. He just writes 1:02:55.560 --> 1:02:58.440 books because he loves the stuff, and you know, wrote 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:01.320 for grant Land, Espiona and all these plays. Is it's 1:03:01.360 --> 1:03:03.480 it's so cool, and that's so the crispiness is that 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:07.720 the caramelization of knowledge, Tie, Oh yeah, the caramelization. No, 1:03:07.840 --> 1:03:11.000 it's it's all fascinating. I will not watch a football 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:14.480 game pro, college, high school the same way. There will 1:03:14.480 --> 1:03:16.480 be now certain things I'll be looking for and that 1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:18.280 I'm going to be one hundred percent honest. 1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:18.480 Tie. 1:03:18.840 --> 1:03:21.000 This has made me and I was already excited to 1:03:21.080 --> 1:03:24.680 watch Nebraska football, but I'm actually now like, oh my, 1:03:24.760 --> 1:03:28.040 Nebraska's coming into the modern era and they're going to 1:03:28.120 --> 1:03:30.360 be doing like this is going to be super fun. 1:03:30.480 --> 1:03:35.400 So even if Nebraska year one doesn't, you know, overwhelmingly impressed, 1:03:35.400 --> 1:03:36.920 maybe it takes a year two to get the quarterback 1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:40.360 situation situated. The Scott Frost stuff, you know, Chip Kelly 1:03:40.400 --> 1:03:42.760 at UCLA should be very interesting to Bruins fans, Pack 1:03:42.800 --> 1:03:46.040 twelve fans. You know, Auburn had had a nice bounce 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:48.480 back year in no small part because of the offense 1:03:48.520 --> 1:03:51.560 getting back to where it should be. And you know, 1:03:51.640 --> 1:03:55.040 Clemson obviously hasn't missed a step running tempo stuff. But 1:03:56.040 --> 1:03:59.000 it's all super fascinating to me. And God, now I'm 1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:01.440 going to watch every ETCU game to see if those 1:04:01.480 --> 1:04:03.920 guys look dowt at their wrisk risk comes. 1:04:03.680 --> 1:04:08.720 After I gotta go load up Madden and see if 1:04:08.760 --> 1:04:11.600 these plays make any more sense now in hindsight, knowing 1:04:12.320 --> 1:04:16.240 the terminology, knowing at least a little bit about the 1:04:16.320 --> 1:04:20.520 convention of the language of football, very insightful. We appreciate 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:23.960 Chris's time spent like an hour with us talking about 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:28.880 all things football communications. 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