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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal.

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Speaker 2: Coll that for me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edith

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Speaker 1: State is that whoo whoo? And now Dan and.

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Speaker 3: Tye welcome back to the Solid Verbal Boys and girls.

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Speaker 3: My name is Ty Hildebrand, joining me as always over

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Speaker 3: there beautiful New York City.

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Speaker 2: Gan Rubinstein, Sir, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Ty?

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Speaker 4: I am jumping out of my seat. I am very

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Speaker 4: excited for this show. You already know because you've already

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Speaker 4: clicked on the episode that Chris B. Brown from Smart

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Speaker 4: Football and Smart football dot Com and the books and

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Speaker 4: everything is on the show. But what I'm most excited about, Ty,

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Speaker 4: and I'm sure you are too, is when we have

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Speaker 4: him on generally, it's like, oh, let's ask him a

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Speaker 4: question about guarding again, you know, defending the spread. Oh,

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Speaker 4: let's ask him a question about outside run contained. Oh,

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Speaker 4: let's ask him a question about how you know Auburn

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Speaker 4: offense has you know, changed from this coordinator to this coordinator. No, Ty, Today,

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Speaker 4: we are extremely excited because we are going to be

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Speaker 4: very specific and we want to talk about communication and terminology.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct communication terminology language? Dan, Yeah, it's all

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Speaker 3: about building a relationship not just with your players, but

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Speaker 3: with your coaching staff. And how are we going to

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Speaker 3: call the plays? That's the question. How do we call

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Speaker 3: the plays that are going to help the team win?

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Speaker 4: Sue, And football is no different than any other industry.

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Speaker 4: Is you have to know how to speak, you have

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Speaker 4: to know how to communicate. You have to know what

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Speaker 4: you're doing and how you're doing it. And the only

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Speaker 4: way to do that is by teaching and telling people

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Speaker 4: I am, I am super curious to learn about how

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Speaker 4: especially you know, obviously football has gotten a lot faster

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Speaker 4: in terms of no huddle and tempo and signaling and

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Speaker 4: there's a whole lot to cover, and I am I'm

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Speaker 4: very excited to learn about or learn more at least

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Speaker 4: about the language of football, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: All right, Ty, with that, we are now joined by

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Speaker 4: Chris B. Brown aka Chris by Brown aka smart Football

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Speaker 4: aka the Art of Smart Football. Go to Amazon aka

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Speaker 4: what's the name of the other book.

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Speaker 1: Chris Essential Smart Football.

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Speaker 4: The Essential Smart Football. You've seen his work on Grant,

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Speaker 4: on ESPN, SB Nation everywhere, so much fun nerding out

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Speaker 4: over x's and o's and scheme talk and his books

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Speaker 4: by the way, and I mean this sincerely, there's no

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Speaker 4: can get through them in a day or two. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's my spiel. Ty, How you doing. How you feeling

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Speaker 4: about this show?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that I would add here if anyone

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Speaker 3: out there is wondering how intense our guest is when

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Speaker 3: we connected up with him, this is a true story.

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Speaker 3: When we connected up with him a few minutes ago,

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Speaker 3: he was sort of devising how he would conduct this interview,

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Speaker 3: at least on his end, because he wasn't sure if

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Speaker 3: he'd need both hands to go through the signal calls

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Speaker 3: that we're going to ask came about if the speakerphone

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Speaker 3: would be enough for what we require here on the

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Speaker 3: verbal So Chris is taking this very seriously, and we

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Speaker 3: appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Mister Brown, how.

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Speaker 1: Are you good? Good?

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Speaker 5: I mean, hey, if you're going to talk about signaling,

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Speaker 5: you got to get a little like Nick Saban with

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Speaker 1: It's you got to be you know, it's I'm a

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Speaker 1: method actor. If we're going to be talking through this.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate that. We appreciate. So let's start here. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about communication. You've got a freshman coming into

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Speaker 3: when you hear that, Chris, what what do you hear?

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Speaker 3: What exactly does that mean?

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Speaker 5: So I think that's the challenge for a young quarterback

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Speaker 5: learn new concepts and how things alter. But you've got

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Speaker 5: to do it quickly and get it related and then

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Speaker 5: interpret someone's doing hand signs at you.

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Speaker 1: You know, you just got up with the ground.

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Speaker 5: You got to find the coach and then turn around

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Speaker 1: So that's to me as the challenge. I think that's

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Speaker 5: The underrated part of it, which is it's not just

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Speaker 5: learning plays and learning names. It's it's learning multiple communication methods,

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Speaker 5: sign language, you know, code words, and then actually doing

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Speaker 3: So we're going to dive into a lot of what

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Speaker 3: you just mentioned there, but I want to start with

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Speaker 3: the composition of a play call. So forty two might

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Speaker 3: be some sort of running play in high school, in college,

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Speaker 3: tends to get a little bit more complicated. I think

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Speaker 3: the secret language term that a lot of people. If

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So there's there's a couple of structural similarities because

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Speaker 1: And I didn't have to add new words for everybody.

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Speaker 5: With formations, they basically if they've added a lot of

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Speaker 5: And then you get into shifts and motions, which are

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Speaker 5: So if you just break it down, usually the offensive

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Speaker 5: And then sometimes it's common to have a base play

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Speaker 1: And then run whatever the play call is. And then

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Speaker 5: So the first thing if you and you can watch

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Speaker 1: So they got to they figure out how do.

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Speaker 5: They want to communicate and so the and this is

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Speaker 5: true for all most tempo teams, though this is changing

444
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Speaker 5: and we can get into Scott frost taw he does

445
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Speaker 5: a little differently, but most tempo teams, the quarterback then

446
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Speaker 5: relays the concept to the offensive line through a code

447
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Speaker 5: word and so which you can guess why. It's a

448
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Speaker 5: little harder for the offensive line to turn and look

449
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Speaker 5: at a signaler on the sideline, or certainly they can't

450
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Speaker 5: turn and look at a signal from the quarterback, So

451
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Speaker 5: you give them a code word. Well, how do you

452
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Speaker 5: You can't just call forty two, right, And so you

453
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Speaker 5: have to have a word that you can call.

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Speaker 1: And you can even call the same thing over and over.

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Speaker 5: Again, especially with protection schemes where you might change the

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Speaker 5: past play.

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Speaker 1: But the protection scheme will stay the same.

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Speaker 5: And so you use word association every high school the

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Speaker 5: college NFL team doesn't.

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Speaker 1: So it could be words.

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Speaker 5: That star with b you know, you know, Budweiser, Bronco,

462
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Speaker 5: whatever it is, and they all mean the same thing

463
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Speaker 5: or a really common one and give you give you

464
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Speaker 5: one old one from Gus Miles on which sure's changed

465
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Speaker 5: so I won't get in trouble. Which is their their counterplay,

466
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Speaker 5: like the counter blocking play. For a long times called

467
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Speaker 5: cult was one word, but then you could use you

468
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Speaker 5: could call it Indie or luck for Andrew Luck.

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Speaker 1: There's a quarterback of the cult. It's really simple stuff,

470
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Speaker 1: not exactly brain surgery.

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Speaker 5: But you know, if you're the defense and you've got

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Speaker 5: two seconds, you don't necessarily know that there's a luck

473
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Speaker 5: and culture that's necessarly the same thing.

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Speaker 1: You might get used. Over time, they change.

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Speaker 5: Their calls, and then then the quarterback and the air

476
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Speaker 5: raid system will then signal everything to the receivers, which

477
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Speaker 5: he has his own signal. The receivers and the quarterback

478
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Speaker 5: just make up their own signals a year to year,

479
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Speaker 5: and so that's where they.

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Speaker 1: Can kind of take ownership of that stuff.

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Speaker 5: And then the nice thing of that system, since everyone's

482
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Speaker 5: looking at the quarterback, if he wants to audible, he

483
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Speaker 5: can make a call.

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Speaker 1: Usually it's like easy, easy, easy, and then he just

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Speaker 1: sort of.

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Speaker 5: Resignals everything and then that's it, and then they get

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Speaker 5: up and go. And then the other advantage of that

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Speaker 5: is you can call like a block like a run

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Speaker 5: play at the line, and then you could call either

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Speaker 5: a pass route or a screen to the receivers.

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Speaker 1: And it's just done by signal.

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Speaker 5: So that's that system, which is really simple, and that's

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Speaker 5: been the framework for a lot of those guys. The

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Speaker 5: problem with it is, as you can guess, is that

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Speaker 5: if you want to go really really fast, it's actually

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Speaker 5: kind of slow. Coach the quarterback, quarterback to line, quarterback

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Speaker 5: to receivers. So probably you know most tempo teams now

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Speaker 5: if you watch them, it's coach the quarterback, quarterback to line, coaches,

499
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Speaker 5: signalers to receivers at the same time and then and

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Speaker 5: then that which then you're able to do that simultaneously,

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Speaker 5: so you take out that extra step so that you

502
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Speaker 5: shave a few seconds off and you can go a

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Speaker 5: little faster. And then the last thing I'll say is

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Speaker 5: I think Frost has moved to He's an example, he's

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Speaker 5: moved to actually having a different, an entirely different signaler

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Speaker 5: for the offensive line. So they're they're not even getting

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Speaker 5: that extra step from the quarterback. So it's going skill

508
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Speaker 5: and offensive line, two different signalers. And I don't know

509
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Speaker 5: if they actually have like extra guys in the sidelines

510
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Speaker 5: so they have like live and dead signalers or not.

511
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Speaker 5: But but if you've got multiple signalers, that's able to

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Speaker 5: do it more quickly. So that those are those are

513
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Speaker 5: some of the key sort of frameworks, but you can

514
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Speaker 5: can mix and match that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, tempo is a relatively modern concept, especially with what

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Speaker 4: it now means and teams going pretty quickly. Who is

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Speaker 4: who would you say has done the best job or

553
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Speaker 4: has been the most influential in terms of taking the

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Speaker 4: concept of tempo and no huddle and turning it into

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Speaker 4: something that's super easily digested. I mean, you mentioned Scott Frost,

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Speaker 4: you mentioned Gus Malson obviously the you know, Chad Morris

557
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Speaker 4: did a lot at Clemson with no huddle stuff. Who

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Speaker 4: has sort of put the biggest stamp on tempo communication

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Speaker 4: in the last I don't know, twelve years or so.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's hard to say because the thing you have

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Speaker 5: to remember, piets of different goals when they want to

562
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Speaker 5: want to what they want to do, so and there's

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Speaker 5: a big difference between being a tempo team sometimes and

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Speaker 5: being a tempo team all the time, and that has

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Speaker 5: significant implications on how you build your communication system. So

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Speaker 5: simple example, the New England Patriots, especially if you go

567
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Speaker 5: back a few years, really good tempo team. Actually they

568
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Speaker 5: they can turn on a switch and run tempo and

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Speaker 5: they literally started doing.

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Speaker 1: And it goes back.

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Speaker 5: You know, BILLI Bryan's talked about US a bunch. You know,

572
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Speaker 5: in twenty eleven and twenty twelve, they sort of stole

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Speaker 5: the idea from Oregon where they would just have six

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Speaker 5: for eight calls in the game plan for that week,

575
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Speaker 5: which were one word calls. And again that goes We

576
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Speaker 5: literally did that in my high school too. It was

577
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Speaker 5: like Orange was like a two minute call. I mean,

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Speaker 5: we're not again not like brain surgery here, and you

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Speaker 5: just call Orange or you know whatever the term is,

580
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Speaker 5: Patriot or something, and you can go fast and then

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Speaker 5: everyone knows what to do. And that includes the formation

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Speaker 5: A lows you go really fast, and then the rest

583
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Speaker 5: of the time, the Patriots can signal, they can huddle,

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Speaker 5: they can do all those different things. And the idea

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Speaker 5: is that you take a piece of your game plan

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Speaker 5: and you and you supercharge it. Again to use Frost

587
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Speaker 5: is he talked about that they really started doing that

588
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Speaker 5: at Oregon and they and where it really clicked was

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Speaker 5: in twenty ten and the game that Frost will mention

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Speaker 5: this when they played Tennessee. I'm sure Dan you well

591
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Speaker 5: remember when when they played Tennessee and they really played

592
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Speaker 5: well early, but they really wore them down and then

593
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Speaker 5: blew them out in the second half. And they that

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Speaker 5: was one of the first games where they did that concept.

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Speaker 5: And they had like seven plays so they could do

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Speaker 5: that fast and in the second half they were just

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Speaker 5: doing those over and over and over again. The flip

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Speaker 5: side of that is that if you're a team like

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Speaker 5: Maleson's team, everything.

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Speaker 1: You do is no huddle or built to be no huddle.

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Speaker 1: So when you're.

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Speaker 5: Teaching on day one, you're not teaching forty two and

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Speaker 5: then translating it to here's the no huddle version of

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Speaker 5: that in you know, later in the system, you're teaching

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Speaker 5: it as this is what we do.

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Speaker 1: Everything is being signaled.

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Speaker 5: You actually will learn the place in a no huddle context,

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Speaker 5: and then you're ready to receive the information that way,

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Speaker 5: and that's how the plays are taught, which significantly impacts

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Speaker 5: how you set up your offense because one of the

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Speaker 5: downsides of being a no huddle up tempo team all

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Speaker 5: the time is and this is one reason why the

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Speaker 5: NFL is not you know, you don't be rarely. You

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Speaker 5: don't see any teams go one hundred percent because it's

615
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Speaker 5: very difficult to tweak and make in game adjustments when

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Speaker 5: you've drilled down your play is to just Patriot or whatever,

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Speaker 5: because then now the defense is shifted and.

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Speaker 1: You want to run it, but you want to do

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Speaker 1: it a little differently or out of tag you can't.

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Speaker 1: You're just you're in. You run Patriot again and so,

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Speaker 1: and then.

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Speaker 5: The only way you could also do it is you

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Speaker 5: get on the sideline and say, next time we call Patriot,

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Speaker 5: we're going to do this.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's it's it, you know.

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Speaker 5: So, which are not to say that Gus and his

627
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Speaker 5: system they don't have the answers to that, but they

628
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Speaker 5: have to build it within a no huddle framework because

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Speaker 5: they can't just go huddle and then make easily call

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Speaker 5: a couple extra tags.

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Speaker 1: I think Tip Kelly was a big influence.

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Speaker 5: I think the air Ray guys is there's so many

633
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Speaker 5: of them, and they've been going no huddle since like

634
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Speaker 5: the nineties, so they've gotten pretty good at it. There's

635
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Speaker 5: a bunch of schools of thought, certainly all the teams

636
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Speaker 5: that started doing the freeze call, where your call formation,

637
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Speaker 5: you fake the snap and then everyone looks at the sideline.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there was a time when every team did that,

639
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Speaker 5: So whoever was the first to do that was obviously influential.

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Speaker 5: But I think there's just a lot of different ways

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Speaker 5: to skin the cat.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that comes to mind, Chris, because I'm

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Speaker 3: guessing there are people at home listening to this, who

644
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Speaker 3: are blown away by the complexity of it all. But

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Speaker 3: we all know those rushed moments in a game where

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Speaker 3: it's very apparent that two plays have been called in

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Speaker 3: the huddle. How is it possible within the framework of

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Speaker 3: all this to do that if maybe you don't have

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Speaker 3: a play that's only one word, How do you communicate

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Speaker 3: multiple plays at the same time in a situation where

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Speaker 3: perhaps you're running a two minute offense.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the key.

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Speaker 5: You probably wouldn't do it much in a two minute

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Speaker 5: offense setting. I thought, we're breaking in a couple categories.

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Speaker 5: So one I already touched on, which is the maybe

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Speaker 5: most unique. But I do think one of the more

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Speaker 5: interesting ones, which is the Mike leachs where he does

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Speaker 5: think about and he just sort of gives a couple

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Speaker 5: of suggestions and the quarterback just calls one. There's the

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Speaker 5: Peyton Manning version, which is where you actually huddle and

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Speaker 5: then you lay out like you spill out a.

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Speaker 1: Whole long thing, and then you get to the line

663
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Speaker 1: and then.

664
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Speaker 5: You call kill kill kill, which or whatever your term is,

665
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Speaker 5: which basically means run the second.

666
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: Play or the third play or whatever.

667
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 5: And then everyone in the huddle heard what are the options?

668
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: And then and then most no huddle teams.

669
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Speaker 5: Don't don't don't really call the college no huddle teams

670
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 5: which you say, don't call multiple plays to the line,

671
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 5: because it sort of defeats the.

672
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Speaker 1: Purpose of being no huddle. It requires another call.

673
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Speaker 5: So typically what they'll do is we'll either do the

674
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Speaker 5: freeze call, which I said before, which is.

675
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Speaker 1: You don't call a play. You you get lined up,

676
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: you do.

677
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 5: That, you fake the snap, and then everybody's you know,

678
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 5: you see what the defense does, and then everybody looks

679
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 5: to the sideline and then they then then you call

680
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 5: the play. The other thing to remember is that one

681
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 5: of the constraints of these no huddle teams, and this

682
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 5: is one of the problems that Chip Kelly had in

683
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 5: the NFL, is he had no audible mechanic, which is

684
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 5: sort of hard to believe for an NFL.

685
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: Team, But.

686
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Speaker 5: You know, by going fast and having multiple signalers for

687
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 5: multiple positions, you didn't have that central person who could

688
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 5: then come Peyton Manning or Tom Brady who could then say,

689
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 5: you know, just change the play. And that was a constraint.

690
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 5: Now what they had was it one they'd go no

691
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 5: huddle and.

692
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: They could get the defense lined up.

693
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 5: And then two, this is where RPOs have come in

694
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 5: and package plays and all that stuff is the idea

695
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 5: that you've build or just read options. You build the

696
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 5: answers into a single play, and now you don't have

697
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 5: to check to a pass or check to a run.

698
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 5: It's built into the to the play call and then

699
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 5: therefore from the and really one of the reasons r

700
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Speaker 5: pos I think exploded is because it fit well within

701
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 5: the uptempo no huddle framework, because you could call one

702
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 5: play and then the quarterback without communicating anything, could throw

703
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 5: it or hand it off, or you read it or whatever.

704
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 5: So I think there's less of unless you see a

705
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 5: team huddle. And I'm not saying no one ever does this,

706
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 5: but unless you see a team huddle, you're not calling

707
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 5: multiple plays that much. The caveat I'll give to that

708
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 5: is that you've got to remember the other The secret

709
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 5: weapon for a lot of coaches is the wristband. And

710
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 5: so there's a lot of stuff on that wristband that

711
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 5: and you can.

712
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: Use them different ways.

713
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 5: You can give them to the quarterback or you'll see

714
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 5: a lot of teams they give them to everybody, and

715
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 5: so that allows a little it's slow because you've have

716
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 5: to call something out and usually it's just a list

717
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 5: of plays that are that are numbered, so someone can

718
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 5: either signal or a quarterback could announce twenty five.

719
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: And everybody looks at their wristband. It's he's twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Are there any Are there any kind of like situational

721
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: guidelines on those wristbands? How detailed or complex do they get?

722
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Speaker 1: I mean it sort of toy. Depends on who you

723
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: are and what your team is.

724
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 5: And and what what purpose you're using them for. So

725
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 5: one example is and Peter King wrote like an mm

726
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: QB piece right after the Super Bowl. Nick Foles wore

727
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 5: a wristband in the super Bowl and the sort of

728
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 5: the final touchdowns, I don't know, I to go ahead,

729
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 5: I can't remember. For just the final touchdown the slant

730
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 5: passed to Zach Ertz where they ran bunch the right

731
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 5: and put the back and bullet motion and went the

732
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 5: four receivers one side and through a slat back side.

733
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Speaker 5: The play called the Nick Foles on his headset was

734
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 5: wristband one four five, And he looked at his wristband

735
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 5: and then I think he hudded, but it was just

736
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 5: on the wristband. And now the reason they did that

737
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 5: is just a more efficient way to make sure the

738
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 5: whole play call got in and I had to pull

739
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 5: it up. But the you know, the play call is

740
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 5: something like you know whatever protection and it was like

741
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 5: excellent Z follow or something like that.

742
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: So they had the whole play call which communicated to

743
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: the players. But in that.

744
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 5: Context, it was just a more efficient way to get

745
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 5: the concept to the folds. The other thing you'll see

746
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 5: tempo teams do, and you see a lot at the

747
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 5: high school level, they'll give everybody risk bands so that

748
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 5: the coaches when they're doing these signals, they don't have

749
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 5: to have as we talked about with like the air

750
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 5: rate system, they have to have a signal for every play.

751
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 5: But one of the problems is if you want to

752
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 5: change your plays or have different concepts, or you've got

753
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 5: tags so you know, meaning that you have three or

754
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 5: four words to call the play. So you don't have

755
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 5: to make three or four signals. You could just signal

756
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 5: everybody twenty two and then the whole team looks at

757
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 5: their their wristband and then they know what to do.

758
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: To flip to the other side of the ball.

759
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 5: Good example of this is Gary Patterson at TCU, who

760
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 5: has to deal a lot of up tempo teams in

761
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 5: the Big twelve. He's got a very crisp and well

762
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 5: thought out system for calling his defenses. And I don't

763
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 5: just mean calling the coverage, but there's what Gary Patterson

764
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 5: does on defense.

765
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: He'll he calls.

766
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 5: Different coverages the different sides of the field. He often

767
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 5: also often calls a trips check, meaning.

768
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: That we'll do this eatside of field.

769
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 5: But then if the lineup and Trips will call this

770
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 5: other coverage, and then he's got what he wants the

771
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 5: front to line up in, meaning where did the defensive

772
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 5: line and the linebackers line up. And then he'll have

773
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 5: stunts and blitzes which tell and he can put him

774
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 5: in combination so that guys can do different things, which

775
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 5: is a great system, but as you can imagine, it

776
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 5: can get wordy, and so when you're going against Oklahoma

777
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 5: or Texas Tech or whoever's going fast, you got to

778
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 5: communicate it quickly. And Gary Patterson is well known that

779
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 5: he started having all his defensive players wear wristbands and so,

780
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 5: which is a great system, but there was a great

781
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 5: moment on the Coaches Show the Coach's Film Room this

782
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 5: year for the Rose Bull when Gary Patterson was there,

783
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 5: and then Dana Holgerson was there, and and Major Apple

784
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 5: White who used to be in the Big twelve and

785
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 5: if he was a Texas in a couple of places,

786
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 5: and they were talking about a player I mentioned earlier

787
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 5: from air raids to some ninety five with the White

788
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 5: Cross because Oklahoma ran a few times and all those.

789
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: Air RAA guys know it, and.

790
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 5: Gary Patterson's offensive corners for air ray guys. But and

791
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 5: they were joking about, oh, we know the signal for

792
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 5: ninety five and had to change the signal, and then

793
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 5: I think it was Major Apple apple White, but it

794
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 5: could have been. Holgerson turned to Patterson and said, do

795
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 5: your players all still look at their wristbands whenever you

796
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 5: call it blitz? And Patterson's face like dropped and everyone

797
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 5: and like you had like Billima and those guys like

798
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 5: burst out laughing, uh.

799
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: And it's and and and it was.

800
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 5: It was funny because Patterson's blitzes are worthier than his

801
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 5: base calls. So they had picked up on a little tell,

802
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 5: which is and he said it it's someone. It was

803
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 5: like it was like that was like Big twelve knowledge.

804
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 5: It was as like, yeah, you know, you tell your

805
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 5: players if they look at the wristband, they're bringing the lips.

806
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 5: That's that's that's a good coaching point you give them

807
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 5: during the week.

808
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: Well, you you enter into territory that we had planned

809
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: to ask about. And hopefully it's not too CD. But

810
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: of course everyone knows about Spygate and what went on

811
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 3: in the NFL, And look, it goes on at all

812
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: levels of competitive sports. I don't care if it's baseball

813
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: or basketball or football. There is always some kind of

814
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: operation to break another team's signals. How complex is that

815
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: operation on the college level, How difficult is it to

816
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: actually pick off a tel kind of like you've described

817
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 3: with Gary Patterson.

818
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say it's not actually that hard to pick up.

819
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 5: How complex it is is a good question.

820
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't know. You know, I couldn't

821
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: tell you if you took the SEC.

822
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 5: Program X, which has a lot of they all have

823
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 5: a lot of resources and people. Do they have people

824
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 5: who are just basically trying to crack the code all

825
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 5: the time. Probably, I'm not sure exactly what they what

826
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 5: kind of operation they have. I can tell you from

827
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 5: the other side, there's a couple of different schools of

828
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 5: thought on it. One is, and I probably lean more

829
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 5: to this, is that if the other team is spending

830
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 5: that much time trying to crack your signals, then they

831
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: probably and then trying to actually figure out what that means,

832
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 5: communicate it, and then and then make it actionable for

833
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 5: the defense in a way that they could actually do

834
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 5: something about it. Especially in a world where players can

835
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 5: check plays and you have you know, RPOs that can

836
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 5: be different types of plays, it probably.

837
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: Does the more harm than good.

838
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 5: I was talking to a high school coach recently talked

839
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 5: about that, you know, the opponent they you know, at halftime,

840
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 5: he could tell these guys were stealing their signals, but

841
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 5: they were killing them. And so they they did a

842
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 5: couple of things where they kind of faked the signal

843
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 5: and then ran like a faken go or something.

844
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: But then also they just kept doing it. Then after

845
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: the game they.

846
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 5: Won by like forty point, the other guy was like,

847
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 5: I was all over your signals, and it was like, okay,

848
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 5: very helpful and and and actually it could work against

849
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 5: you because you're you're you know, especially if you're facing

850
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 5: an up tempo team where you're trying to tell your

851
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 5: players watch for this or that and they're not bringing.

852
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: Their keys, it could work against you.

853
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 5: I will say that means if you're not an up

854
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 5: tempo team, it may not make a lot of sense

855
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 5: to be saying they're doing your signals to where the

856
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 5: other team can pick them up, because then it maybe

857
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 5: becomes a little more actionable. The other thing you think

858
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 5: about at the college level is and I've talked to

859
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 5: head coaches about this, and they say that one of

860
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 5: the bad parts if you're the signaler and you're a

861
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 5: head coach is the TV cameras always on you. And

862
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 5: so I know for a fact that that staffs will

863
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 5: line up the TV the TV broadcast with the All

864
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 5: twenty two film. I know they do it in the

865
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 5: off season, and I'm sure some of them do it

866
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 5: during the season to see if they can pick up

867
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 5: signals that way and line them up and figure that out.

868
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: So it look it happens.

869
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 5: It's it's it's a question of how actionable it is

870
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 5: and is it a problem?

871
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: And then how do you respawn?

872
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 5: Because the answer from if you're going to keep them

873
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 5: from cracking the code is to make your system more complex,

874
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 5: but probably the biggest thing is just to be intelligent

875
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 5: about it. One of the two I'll mention is one

876
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 5: is that I've talked to a bunch of coaches about this.

877
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: One of the hardest.

878
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 5: Things in that if you're going to signal or do

879
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 5: any kind of up tempo is how do you indicate direction.

880
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 5: It's it's it's the thing no one thinks about. But

881
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 5: if you've got to play power or counter or even

882
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 5: your past protection scheme, right or left can often be

883
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: a it's sort of like cracking these like you know,

884
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 5: these like World War two codes, like if you can

885
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 5: find the common link, then you can use that to

886
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 5: crack the rest of the code. And it's it's very

887
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 5: often the thing that can be a giveaway, and you

888
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 5: have to do it one way or the other. If

889
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 5: you use code words, you see a lot of teams

890
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 5: try to come up with the two ways.

891
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: One.

892
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 5: You just have a bunch of different ways, say right

893
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 5: or left, and then somemes. You you know, if you

894
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 5: take Auburn, for example, they can say right or left.

895
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 5: They could say red white, they could say colors differings. Alabama,

896
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 5: I know for the last few years, they may change

897
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 5: it for next year. For a lot of their run

898
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 5: plays use north and south a lot that's a code

899
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 5: word for right or left. So if they've got a

900
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 5: run play, they can say it and they say north

901
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 5: or south that means right or left. The other way

902
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 5: to do it is to actually combine the substance of

903
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 5: the play with the directional term. And so a term

904
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 5: you'll see and like every single playbook, but it has

905
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 5: different meanings. Is you see a lot of like righty lefty,

906
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 5: ram lyon rip liz for some reason. Is this football

907
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 5: term that shows up in every playbook because it's just

908
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 5: a single syllable that.

909
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: Means right or left. You can also do it with

910
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: I think.

911
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 5: Alabama for their protection schemes, the jack jill is one,

912
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 5: so jack being right, Jill being left for a six

913
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 5: man half live protection. So you just you do it

914
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 5: that way and then you can also do things the

915
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 5: other one. You see a lot a lot of teams

916
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 5: put their Z receiver on the right and their X

917
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 5: and the left, so you can use X and Z

918
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 5: words so you know, exceon and zebra stuff like that

919
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 5: to combine them.

920
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: So you could you can you can do it.

921
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 5: So the point being, if you've got a robust system,

922
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 5: that's that's that uses multiple signalers a few different ways

923
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 5: the signal. You can do some code words or you

924
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 5: can do signals, and then it's not easy to tell

925
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 5: at some point it's diminishing returns. She just had to

926
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 5: try to spend a lot of time on this stuff

927
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 5: and then really make it actionable. As long as you

928
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 5: change it somewhat regularly. The challenge is always going to

929
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 5: be your your in conference, your division opponents, the people

930
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 5: you play multiple times a year, because those are people

931
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 5: are going to pick up on it. The last anecdote

932
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 5: I'll give is a couple of years ago. It was

933
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 5: a famous sort of tete a tete about this. You know,

934
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield of course.

935
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: Had many.

936
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 5: Many people he wasn't very happy with, especially coming out

937
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 5: of his recruiting process and his transfer process.

938
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: So I stored a few years ago.

939
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 5: When the year he sat out at Oklahoma, his quarterback

940
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 5: coach at Texas Tech when he was freshman with Sonny Comby,

941
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 5: who went and then after that left and became a

942
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 5: co offensive coord at TCU, And then of course Baker

943
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 5: was at Oklahoma and there's a story and Gary Patterson

944
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 5: after the game said that Baker Mayfield was standing on

945
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 5: the sideline next to I don't know if it was

946
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 5: Stoops or some other defensive coach watching Sonny Comby to

947
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 5: steal their signals and then telling them their signals during

948
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 5: that whole game. And I think Baker basically was like, yeah,

949
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 5: you know, like like I knew their signals. They were

950
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 5: using the same ones with a Texas tech just in

951
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 5: what I could do. I think they they all made

952
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 5: the point, didn't make that big of a difference because

953
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 5: they could only so much they could do. But it

954
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 5: is something you just had to be intelligent about it.

955
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 5: You have to have a backup plan. You have to,

956
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 5: you know, there are I've talked to high school coaches

957
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 5: where they like I was in the second quarter and

958
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 5: it was clear the other team knew our signals and

959
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 5: so we had to do something. And often the other

960
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 5: thing to remember you can use it to your advantage.

961
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: Saw Peyton Manning.

962
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 5: Give a talk not that long ago, and actually I

963
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 5: asked them about this because I remember the play. It

964
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 5: was like the year he broke like the touchdown record

965
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 5: and the first game they hit like a like a

966
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 5: receiver screen. A couple of times, I can't remember the

967
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 5: code word, but he would often audible the receiver screens

968
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 5: at the line when he's got a favorable look, and

969
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 5: then he used a code word. And then in like

970
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 5: the third or fourth quarter, he used the same word,

971
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 5: and then they ran the fake pump and go screen.

972
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: And then went for a touchdown.

973
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 5: And I asked him and he didn't come out to

974
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 5: say it, but he confirmed that they that was an

975
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 5: adjustment they made that they thought the other teams, the Ravens,

976
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 5: were trying to steal the code word, that that was

977
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 5: the receiver screen. So then they just said, I mean,

978
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 5: talk about a great fake. Not only do you pump

979
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 5: and you fake the play, but pre snap you make

980
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 5: the same whatever he was, you know, you know, like

981
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 5: rocket screen or something. You say rocket and then everyone's

982
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 5: from the fake screen. That's really how you fake them out,

983
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 5: because they actually have they think they're they've caught onto

984
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 5: your tail.

985
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: So you can use it. You can always break the

986
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: Tennessee and use.

987
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 5: It offensively to your advantage, even if you think the

988
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 5: other side stealing your signals.

989
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 4: Picture boards on the sideline, are they a thing? Are

990
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 4: they not? A thing. Are they sort of a thing? Uh?

991
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 5: There, there they are. They are definitely a sort of

992
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 5: a thing. You know, they're They're actually a surprisingly controversial

993
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 5: topic in the in the coaching world. In that I've

994
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 5: I've I'm always surprised, even up Temple people are like, oh,

995
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 5: those stupid coaching boards or picture boards, Like I hate

996
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 5: those things. I think the thing to remember about them

997
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 5: is that unless you have like sixty boards in your sidelines,

998
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 5: they can only convey so much information because you're gonna

999
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: run a lot of different plays. So there's a lot

1000
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 5: of coaches who will tell you that they'll use them,

1001
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 5: and they literally are just dummies. They just hold them up,

1002
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 5: and then it just it just is a distraction from

1003
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 5: someone actually stealing their real signals, and then there's a

1004
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 5: merit to that.

1005
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: I think most.

1006
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 5: Teams that use them use them for some limited purpose,

1007
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 5: and then it's also a way for everyone to have

1008
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 5: fun with it. I think, uh, the most common.

1009
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: Way to use them, and there's a couple of sect

1010
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 1: at schools and I know, we'll do it this way.

1011
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 5: They have a couple of different signalers and then which

1012
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 5: boards or which side of the boards you hold up

1013
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 5: basically tells the players which.

1014
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: Signaler to look at, which one's.

1015
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 5: Live, and then that's the way to just create some

1016
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 5: confusion around uh, you know, the so the signals can't

1017
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 5: get stolen, and that's something you can change quarter by

1018
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 5: quarter or you know, you know each half of which

1019
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 5: which side of what board is right, and it can

1020
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 5: take a while for the defense to and the coaches

1021
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 5: to figure that out. And then there's other things you

1022
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 5: could use that As I talked about the directional the

1023
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 5: right left, it can solve that problem if you hold

1024
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 5: up you know, whatever side of that that can mean

1025
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 5: right and the other side can mean left. So and

1026
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 5: then and then you can get even more complex with

1027
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 5: if you hold it up and then a certain similar

1028
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 5: is doing this, that means you're running this type of play,

1029
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 5: and then other ones you're getting code words. So you

1030
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 5: know some of the I use Malas on example, because

1031
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 5: I don't really worry about anyone stealing his stuff because

1032
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 5: he has probably the most complex system that I understand

1033
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 5: parts of it, but I certainly don't understand all of it,

1034
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 5: and I'm sure he changes it a lot, where it

1035
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 5: involves the boards and involves signalers and involves code words

1036
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 5: and involves communication, and then different things will mean different different.

1037
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: Different things will be.

1038
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 5: Different things depending on what kind of play call he

1039
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 5: uses a lot about series like this will be live

1040
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 5: on pass plays, it's.

1041
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: On run plays, I's on specials, that kind of thing.

1042
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 5: So, but the picture boards in his system typically will

1043
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 5: tell you which signal to look at, or it can

1044
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 5: be a directional term.

1045
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 4: We've talked to a couple coaches and players who all

1046
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 4: actually sort of said the same thing about coaches consulting

1047
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 4: players when it comes to favorite plays installation and saying, oh,

1048
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 4: I'm third and seven plus what types of plays do

1049
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 4: you like between the twenties or something like that, and

1050
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 4: across the board, everybody says they, you know, coaches will

1051
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 4: consult players because they want them to run what they're

1052
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: most comfortable with. Does that sort of carry over to

1053
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 4: communication methods Coaches sort of taking into account how players

1054
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: are best used as communicators that like, sometimes they'll experiment with,

1055
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 4: you know, maybe this quarterback is better with like longer verbage,

1056
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 4: Maybe this quarterback is better with shorter verbage and conveying

1057
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 4: and communicating. Ultimately, these quarterbacks have to be able to

1058
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 4: either quickly or coherently tell everybody or tell some people

1059
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 4: to play. Do communication methods vary based on player or

1060
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 4: quarterback preferences, I'm not.

1061
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: Sure if methods do.

1062
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 5: I think that ends up being like a team function,

1063
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 5: and so that a lot a lot goes into it.

1064
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: There's obviously other players, there's what.

1065
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 5: Kind of tempo they want to do, what just seems

1066
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 5: most efficient, And I think it's also hard to do

1067
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 5: that sort of in season.

1068
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: Those are typically you know, season to season.

1069
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 5: Judgments, and it's often a reaction to, you know, can

1070
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 5: we get faster? Can we get slower? Do we need

1071
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 5: to add more offense to to have a wider variety

1072
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 5: of things like maybe we were really fast, but we

1073
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 5: just couldn't We weren't very flexible. But I do think

1074
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 5: in terms of what the signals are and what the

1075
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 5: code words are, almost every code you talk to will

1076
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 5: tell you. The more you can make the players involved

1077
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 5: in that, the better, because for no other reason, they

1078
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 5: will remember whatever it is. More if if if you

1079
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 5: or I come out there and be like, we're gonna

1080
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 5: run power, We're on an inside zone, we're gonna run

1081
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 5: this pass play, and here are the signals and here's

1082
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 5: the code words. You know that people might retain some

1083
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 5: of that, but it's gonna take more time. But if

1084
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 5: you say you make them take ownership of what the

1085
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 5: signal are, the signals are, they're gonna remember it because

1086
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 5: they came up with it on their own and they'll

1087
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 5: talk about it. You also get the better of them

1088
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 5: talking about it when they're not at practice and in

1089
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 5: the meeting you're actually talking football, so you get a

1090
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 5: lot of benefits of that. I think a lot of

1091
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 5: that stuff gets worked out in the.

1092
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: Spring or the summer even And again, the more organic

1093
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: you can make it.

1094
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 5: And the more the more ownership the players have, the better.

1095
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: And then and that's where.

1096
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 5: Language is dynamic, right, I mean, this is where you

1097
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Speaker 5: know our language, English language, you.

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Speaker 1: Know all this stuff.

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Speaker 5: It's they evolve their dynamic, all that David Foster Wallace

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Speaker 5: stuff and linguistics. So it often takes the life of

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Speaker 5: its own. I mean you have again, I use like

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Speaker 5: mamin Vin has got a very formal, rigid here's this

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Speaker 5: and that. But the one reason those air raid guys

1104
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 5: do a pretty good job of it and it actually

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00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 5: survives even though it's pretty simple, is it's it ends

1106
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 5: up being more like how people communicate and that they

1107
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 5: kind of figure it out and then they're able to

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00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 5: do really subtle moves that even though you think you

1109
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 5: could pick up on it, it's you know, you just

1110
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Speaker 5: miss it, and so it becomes a little more of

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Speaker 5: organic and it's, uh, you know it really is.

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Speaker 1: It's just learning another language.

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Speaker 5: I think Seth La Trail was on there on your

1114
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Speaker 5: show talking about that it's just like learning a language.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's learning another language, learning sign language.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's all. It is, fair enough.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure you saw the I think it was

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Speaker 4: called the Two Bills, Bill Parcels and Bill Belichick, And

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Speaker 4: one of those sort of antidotes was anecdotes was Bill

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Speaker 4: Parcell's killing Bill Belichick calls. You know, the call would

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00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 4: come in and as you know, traditionally, you know, a

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00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 4: head coach would hear the call and either not say

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Speaker 4: anything or tweak it or whatever, or say you know,

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00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 4: no that we're not doing that whatever, we're doing this.

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00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 4: When now we are in an up tempo age where

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Speaker 4: a head coach killing a caller, adjusting a call takes seconds,

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00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 4: takes time going back and forth with a coordinator. Is

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Speaker 4: that dynamic still around where coaches will go and back

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00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 4: and forth with the coordinator to get the call that

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00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 4: they want, or are coordinators now more empowered to just

1131
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 4: sort of go go without having torry about a play

1132
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 4: call getting killed.

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00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 5: I think I think there's not enough time if you're

1134
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 5: if you are a go go, up tembo team to

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00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 5: do it between plays.

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00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: You know, at most it's.

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00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 5: Like one word like no, yes, run, you know, and

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00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 5: then maybe cand blurt out something. I think what it

1139
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 5: does is it one one reason why you see a

1140
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 5: lot of these up tempo play callers or head coaches

1141
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 5: because because they're they're they're they're they're not delegating that stuff.

1142
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 5: They're doing it themselves. And so the second is that

1143
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 5: there's a lot of in between serious communications. So there's

1144
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 5: a lot of between serious saying that work, that didn't

1145
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 5: work this next series? What are your top you know,

1146
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 5: you get a couple of guys, especially the guy in

1147
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 5: the box. There's a lot of these play callers signalers

1148
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 5: on the sidelines, So there's that that kind of communication

1149
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 5: is you know, what are the top three things that

1150
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 5: you that you see, what are they doing to this?

1151
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 5: And then what can we call? And then you kind

1152
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 5: of work out a plan and then you try to

1153
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 5: get the drive started and then that then that's also

1154
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 5: where you've got to have a an organized play call

1155
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 5: sheet because the sort of going back to the old

1156
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 5: Bill Walsh stuff, the goal, the goal is to get

1157
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 5: to the point where all this stuff has been thought

1158
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 5: through during the week, and so you should be able

1159
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 5: to You've coached them on enough, you've seen, they've seen

1160
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 5: the situation.

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00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: You got flexible enough calls.

1162
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 5: With r p O s and whatever it is that

1163
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 5: you can on many situations just look or most you

1164
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 5: just look down at your sheet and call the next

1165
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 5: play on the sheet for that situation. And that should

1166
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 5: be as simple as it is, and if you're not

1167
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 5: having a terrible day, that should be how it works.

1168
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 5: Not to say it works all the way in practice.

1169
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,959
Speaker 5: They come up with a different defense. You can't block

1170
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 5: a guy, you know, you have an injury. There's different

1171
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 5: things that tourtally can supersede that. But that that puts

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00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 5: a lot of pressure actually on your call sheet because

1173
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 5: the best, to me, the best nohel play callers are

1174
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 5: people who aren't really doing a lot of Like I

1175
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 5: just came up with this brilliant call in the moment,

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Speaker 5: they're just looking at the call sheet and calling the

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Speaker 5: next call.

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Speaker 4: So that means, yeah, that was my sort of follow

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00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 4: up is just sort of tiny. And an extension of

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00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 4: that is situationally how much is on that call sheet?

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00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 4: How much is sort of situationally determined ahead of time?

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00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 4: You know, is it you know every third and third

1183
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 4: down situation distance and place of field? You know, is

1184
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 4: every you know, thirty second offense, two minute offense, goal line,

1185
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 4: red zone? Like how intricate is it situationally pre determined?

1186
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 5: Totally depends on the play caller. I mean we use

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00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 5: Mike Leads to an example. I mean he's got like

1188
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 5: five categories. It's called she's got openers. There's like twenty plays.

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00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 5: He's got third and long, third and short coming out,

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Speaker 5: going in and specials and screens and then and that's

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00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 5: like it like right, so, and then you've got the

1192
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 5: NFL type guys where they have you know, very broken out.

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00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 5: One thing you see a lot of no huddle guys

1194
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 5: is that they like to they'll do it by hash

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00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 5: mark on the left, hash right, hash midle of the field,

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Speaker 5: which I think is a clever thing because you end

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Speaker 5: up using the leverage of the field a little better.

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Speaker 5: And then and then you also can break it out

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Speaker 5: into what part of the field you are and you

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Speaker 5: backed up, Are you in the middle or you in

1201
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 5: sort of the outer red zone, the green zone, all

1202
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 5: those different things and so and it's just broken down.

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 5: The other thing you got to you remember is that

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00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 5: you do it proportionally based on how many of those

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Speaker 5: situations you have.

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Speaker 1: In a game.

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Speaker 5: So most teams go into the under the game, you know,

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Speaker 5: with for two point.

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Speaker 1: Plays, it's it's.

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Speaker 5: One, maybe two, and then often they don't call them

1212
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 5: and they go four weeks and they have the same

1213
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 5: one on that situation for two point plays. The good

1214
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 5: teams only have so many third and long calls because

1215
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 5: there's so many third and lungs you actually really encounter

1216
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 5: in a game. You have a lot of first and

1217
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 5: second down calls, you know, third and short, second and short,

1218
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 5: the sort of things.

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Speaker 1: You just have a couple. So it actually works out

1220
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Speaker 1: if you do it. You know, you organize it. You

1221
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: don't have like ten ten, ten, ten ten for every situation.

1222
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 5: It's proportional, so you know your total is not overwhelming.

1223
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 5: And then it's just the feel of the play caller.

1224
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 5: You know, do they feel like they need more more categories?

1225
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: Is that helpful?

1226
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Speaker 5: It's also something Kyle Shanahan's you know, call sheet has

1227
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 5: like very intricate. He's got like every situation broken out

1228
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 5: and different things, and that allows him to go to

1229
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 5: the situation more quickly because he's got some complicated calls

1230
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 5: he's trying to get to. Or is again he used

1231
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 5: like a Mike Leach, It's like, just call the next.

1232
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Speaker 1: Thing, Chris.

1233
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: We're going to get you out here with two quick ones.

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Speaker 3: My first, and it's sort of a question we've been

1235
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 3: asking all of our guests here during scheme theme, but

1236
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 3: we talk a lot about emerging trends, about evolutions of

1237
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: be it a scheme or some other element of the game.

1238
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 3: Is there any innovation afoot as it relates to communication.

1239
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 3: We talked earlier about technology and the impact perhaps that

1240
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: it is having on the way that plays are called.

1241
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: Is there anything else that you find particularly interesting about

1242
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: the means that teams are using to communicate their plays.

1243
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess a couple of things, but I think

1244
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 5: the biggest drivers is technology and rule. So it's just

1245
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 5: a different world in the NFL where you've got the.

1246
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: Helmet radio, so you can communicate.

1247
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 5: And I think one of the interesting trends you saw,

1248
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 5: actually Chip Kelly was doing this a lot with the

1249
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 5: tempo stuff, but the guy who probably did a better

1250
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 5: Sean McVay there with the rams, is that.

1251
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: In the NFL, almost to pick this up.

1252
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 5: They get the play call early and then but trying

1253
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 5: to get lined up quickly so the radio is still

1254
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 5: running and so they can basically have an ongoing dialogue

1255
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 5: quarterback about what they see and then even audible and

1256
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 5: things with you still keep coaching them all the way

1257
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 5: up to that moment by getting lined up more quickly,

1258
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 5: which a big advantage over getting lined up with four

1259
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 5: seconds left and you just have to call to play.

1260
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: I think you know you can't do that in college obviously.

1261
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 5: I think one thing you're seeing is that I think

1262
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 5: more teams are moving to almost a pure signaling system

1263
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 5: because I think the fear is that the code words

1264
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 5: are a little bit easier to crack. And then obviously

1265
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 5: you can then run up in a very loud stadium

1266
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 5: and it's hard to communicate and things like that, and

1267
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 5: then obviously signaling to the line and everyone is it

1268
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 5: can be you know a little more efficient. The downside

1269
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 5: of that that I think you wouldn't think about is

1270
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 5: it depends on who your signaling is the offensive line

1271
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 5: is because you have to practice all this stuff, and

1272
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 5: you have to if you're doing it right, you should

1273
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 5: be calling plays in practice the same way you win

1274
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 5: in the games. And if your offensive line coach or

1275
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 5: assistant offensive line coaches signaling the offensive line, they can't

1276
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 5: stand in practice where they would normally stand, which is

1277
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 5: behind the offensive line. So that's one reason why you

1278
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 5: actually have a lot offensive line coaches will resist that,

1279
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 5: and they like the quarterback giving the code word.

1280
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: But I do think teams are increasingly.

1281
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 5: Going to signals because I think the thought is that

1282
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 5: the signals are a little harder to crack. But I

1283
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 5: think the only other thing is is that tension of

1284
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 5: how fast can we go versus how much flexibility and

1285
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 5: how much complexity can we add in Because the days

1286
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 5: of just running fifteen plays out of four formations really

1287
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 5: fast and having the defense off kilters is quickly going.

1288
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 5: By the wayside, defenses are too good.

1289
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: They're able to react, they.

1290
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 5: Can call complex stuff on defense and sort of shut

1291
00:58:58,840 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 5: you down.

1292
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: So how can we efficiently do that.

1293
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 5: That's why I mentioned you know, Scott Frost, because I

1294
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 5: think he's been He's taken the chip Kelly system and

1295
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 5: has added a wider variety of run schemes, more formations,

1296
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 5: more of things like that I used, you know, not

1297
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 5: that they were Juggernaut this year, but Jeff Brohm there

1298
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 5: at Purdue, but especially when he's at Western Kentucky, he

1299
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 5: took kind of the pro style system they learned in

1300
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 5: the NFL and from Petrino, and he took the whole system,

1301
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 5: but he made it one hundred percent. You can run

1302
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 5: the whole offense of no huddle, which I think has

1303
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 5: interesting implications if you could run a true profile system

1304
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 5: but where everything is signals is in aesthentsics. I should

1305
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 5: say exciting because it gives you a lot more flexibility

1306
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 5: to do a wider variety of things. It could still audible,

1307
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 5: you know the things that that you know, when an

1308
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 5: uptemple offense is rolling, it looks great. But then when

1309
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 5: it gets shut down again us chip Kelly example, you

1310
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 5: can't audible.

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Speaker 1: You can't you know, adjust to the defense. You can

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Speaker 1: get you can get bogged down. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: really where it is is that can you come up

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Speaker 1: with simple, easy.

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Speaker 5: To learn things that actually give you enough flexibility so

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Speaker 5: that when Alabama and Nick Saban show up with a

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01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 5: thousand defenses, that you're not just stuck running like fourteen plays,

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01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 5: because all of a sudden you go from looking like

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Speaker 5: you're the greatest offense in the world to like you

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Speaker 5: no longer have the answers.

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Speaker 3: All right, Chris, We're going to get you out of

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Speaker 3: here with perhaps the hardest question yet. What is the

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Speaker 3: longest play that you can both remember and recite on

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Speaker 3: the podcast today?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Man, I can't. I'm not doing this. I'm sorry, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can like look them up and all that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just sort of a I try to

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Speaker 5: block that stuff from my mind.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not.

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Speaker 5: Trying to do the the Kyle Shanahan John Cruden thing,

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01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 5: you know, like I write forty two blasts seven z jet.

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01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 5: I feel like when people do that, they often throw

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01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 5: in a couple of those as you brought up tize

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01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 5: like to kill well.

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Speaker 1: They like the extra play, so they like it makes

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Speaker 1: it sound like really long.

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01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 5: But really they've called like four plays and then now

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01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 5: we have like seven unnecessary shifts.

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01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: So if you really want, I can try to dig

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01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: something out. I mean I can.

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Speaker 5: We can make it as long as we want. But

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Speaker 5: I mean, and I think that's the But that's the

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01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 5: interesting tension, right is it's you know, do we literally

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01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 5: need a play where we tell a formation where we

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01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 5: have five ways to tell everyone where to line up?

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Speaker 1: There's just eleven.

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01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 5: Guys, and then do we need to tell all eleven

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01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 5: players individually what to do? Or can we try to

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01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 5: break down in a way that's coherent? But then we're

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01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 5: not stuck calling forty two blasts over and over again.

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01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 5: So if someone else has a better answer than me,

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01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 5: that's that's that's that's fine.

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01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm happy to get with that. Mantle.

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01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: Let's go with forty two blasts.

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01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll stick with that.

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01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: Well, I'm fine with that. His name is Chris B. Brown.

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01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 3: You can find him and all of his fine work

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01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: out on smartfootball dot com. Chris, this was incredible, Dan,

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01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 3: Is that the right way to characterize illuminating?

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Speaker 2: Illuminating? This was tremendous. Thank you so much for all

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Speaker 2: your time.

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01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: Trust me, my pleasure.

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Speaker 5: And also when you guys get critiques and corrections, silver

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01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 5: to pass in my way.

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01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 4: We will, we will get we will add all addendums

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01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 4: to your inbox.

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01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 3: All right, Dan, Again, that is Chris B. Brown from

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01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 3: Smartfootball dot Com. If you've listened to the program, you

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01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 3: know that we've had Chris on the show over the years,

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01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 3: again to learn all about the x's and o's of

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Speaker 3: college football.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Today though his insight was particularly tasty, and so tasty

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01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 3: that he very much earned the moniker Chris by Brown

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01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 3: that we've given to him over the year. It just

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01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 3: I am blown away by the complexity of all this.

1377
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 3: I am a nerd at heart, as I know you

1378
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 3: are as well. To hear the thought, to hear the

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01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 3: fact that they made up their own language, that they

1380
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 3: have to that it requires them to make up their

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01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: own language. That makes my heart smile, Dan. That makes

1382
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 3: me so happy that we do what we do because

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01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 3: it's just so damn nerdy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it is kind of crazy that Chris

1385
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 4: is not a full time football writer. He just writes

1386
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 4: books because he loves the stuff, and you know, wrote

1387
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 4: for grant Land, Espiona and all these plays. Is it's

1388
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 4: it's so cool, and that's so the crispiness is that

1389
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 4: the caramelization of knowledge, Tie, Oh yeah, the caramelization. No,

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01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 4: it's it's all fascinating. I will not watch a football

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Speaker 4: game pro, college, high school the same way. There will

1392
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 4: be now certain things I'll be looking for and that

1393
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 4: I'm going to be one hundred percent honest.

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Speaker 1: Tie.

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Speaker 4: This has made me and I was already excited to

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01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 4: watch Nebraska football, but I'm actually now like, oh my,

1397
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 4: Nebraska's coming into the modern era and they're going to

1398
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 4: be doing like this is going to be super fun.

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Speaker 4: So even if Nebraska year one doesn't, you know, overwhelmingly impressed,

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Speaker 4: maybe it takes a year two to get the quarterback

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01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 4: situation situated. The Scott Frost stuff, you know, Chip Kelly

1402
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 4: at UCLA should be very interesting to Bruins fans, Pack

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01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 4: twelve fans. You know, Auburn had had a nice bounce

1404
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 4: back year in no small part because of the offense

1405
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 4: getting back to where it should be. And you know,

1406
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 4: Clemson obviously hasn't missed a step running tempo stuff. But

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Speaker 4: it's all super fascinating to me. And God, now I'm

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01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 4: going to watch every ETCU game to see if those

1409
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 4: guys look dowt at their wrisk risk comes.

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Speaker 3: After I gotta go load up Madden and see if

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Speaker 3: these plays make any more sense now in hindsight, knowing

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Speaker 3: the terminology, knowing at least a little bit about the

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Speaker 3: convention of the language of football, very insightful. We appreciate

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Speaker 3: Chris's time spent like an hour with us talking about

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Speaker 4: It's getting sunny out ty. You gotta prepare. You're gonna

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Speaker 4: be outdoor to prepare.

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Speaker 2: Gotta prepare.

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Speaker 3: We've got more Scheme Theme Month content ahead, but for

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Speaker 3: the interim, Dan, I need to go and catch my breath,

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Speaker 3: do it. I need to get some food and recharge

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01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 3: for another great show that we've got planned a week

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Speaker 3: from now.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I listen, I'm right there with you. I gotta

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Speaker 4: sit down. I gotta take take a breather here. I

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Speaker 4: don't want to pull a hammy getting so excited about

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Speaker 4: these x's and.

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Speaker 3: O's or that guy over there. His name is Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 3: And of course, for our guest of honor, Chris B.

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Speaker 3: Brown from Smartfootball dot com. My name is Ty Hildebrand.

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