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Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, happy Tuesday?
Speaker 3: Here, y'all? Good.
Speaker 5: I can't hear y'all.
Speaker 3: Oh it.
Speaker 6: Podcast?
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Speaker 5: But I can't hear and here?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah he can you? Yes?
Speaker 5: Okay? All right?
Speaker 6: Well yeah, well, I mean the big news obviously with
Speaker 6: Dak and at least I think the main thing is
Speaker 6: we all knew what was coming, you know that he
Speaker 6: would be on IR and probably not play this season.
Speaker 6: But news out of New York after he gets the
Speaker 6: consultation with the doctor with whom he has a previous
Speaker 6: history already. They're going to go ahead and do the surgery,
Speaker 6: so any mystery is removed, not that there was much
Speaker 6: of any to begin with, but the faster you get
Speaker 6: it done, the faster the healing process begins and the rehab.
Speaker 6: And if it's true that it's a few months of
Speaker 6: a recovery from a partial evulsion of a hamstring a
Speaker 6: surgery to help with that, then he'll have most of
Speaker 6: the off season to get ready for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: One thing I learned is that it's a hockey injury.
Speaker 5: It happens a lot in the NHL, so that's why
Speaker 5: he's meeting with a specialist normally does NHL surgeries in
Speaker 5: New York.
Speaker 3: That's insane interesting. Thank you for that. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: hearing that reattaching it is supposed to lessen the possibility
Speaker 3: of him having it happen again. I think that's going
Speaker 3: to be important. But with this injury in particular, the
Speaker 3: X injuries have been kind of weird. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know, I just feel like with this in particular,
Speaker 3: I've talked about how much I feel like him being
Speaker 3: mobile is important to his career and mobiles and just
Speaker 3: running mobile is how he navigates the pocket in and
Speaker 3: outside of the pocket, rolling to his right, roll in
Speaker 3: to his left. I'm really hoping that this because I've
Speaker 3: seen his train He's talked about his training, He's talked
Speaker 3: about how he trains in the off season. I really
Speaker 3: am curious to hear how this shifts how he trains
Speaker 3: in the off season, what he does. He is very
Speaker 3: intentional with his body and how he takes care of it.
Speaker 3: I think I really want to know if retaining and
Speaker 3: keeping his mobility is something that is important to him
Speaker 3: and what he's going to do moving forward, to adjust
Speaker 3: as his body gets older, as his body changes, to
Speaker 3: not have these things happen again, but to not take
Speaker 3: away from some of the amazing things that he's able
Speaker 3: to do as a player.
Speaker 2: That's something I was gonna ask you was do you
Speaker 2: all think that this would kind of hinder him from
Speaker 2: being a little bit more mobile next year as it
Speaker 2: comes back, do you all think that.
Speaker 6: Well, what it wasn't that the criticism up until the
Speaker 6: Atlanta game that we wanted to see him use his legs,
Speaker 6: And so I think it's all right, this has been
Speaker 6: in the works and it's not just something that is
Speaker 6: only with Dak Prescott. I mean, as quarterbacks get older,
Speaker 6: this is kind of the norm, and so I think
Speaker 6: you've already seen it in terms of like will things
Speaker 6: change moving forward? I assume that you meant, like with
Speaker 6: the offense and play calling and.
Speaker 2: Things out saying, do you feel like, because now when
Speaker 2: you look back at the play, it was because it
Speaker 2: was a mobile player, he was trying to move out
Speaker 2: of the pocket. Do you think that that will keep
Speaker 2: him from being confident and using his legs because again
Speaker 2: we were kind of criticizing everyone was.
Speaker 6: I think he's already pulled back.
Speaker 3: Both of his injuries have been when he's been on
Speaker 3: the move, and we've talked about like there's a mental
Speaker 3: element of this game. You know, him being okay with
Speaker 3: doing that understanding I think he also understood from the
Speaker 3: lack of mobility that he's played with this year, is
Speaker 3: like how important his presence was to the team as well.
Speaker 3: It's just one of those things where it's like easier
Speaker 3: said than done, but scare money, don't make no money,
Speaker 3: And that is too intricate to his play and his
Speaker 3: threat and what he's able to bring to the game.
Speaker 3: And so it hurts me to think about it, to
Speaker 3: think about the idea of him just shutting that part
Speaker 3: of his game down completely, especially since we have seen
Speaker 3: in the NFL there are not that many true pocket
Speaker 3: passes in this game anymore. Every quarterback is mobile because
Speaker 3: defenses have caught up and it's such a threat to
Speaker 3: a defense. But specifically with him, it's it's too important
Speaker 3: to his game. I feel like, if he did decide
Speaker 3: to completely stop running, he's just gonna have to be
Speaker 3: super tippity, top tier. Not that he already isn't like
Speaker 3: super mentally uh cerebral at the line of skrimmage and stuff,
Speaker 3: but he's just gonna have to be super pinpoint accurate
Speaker 3: and perfect in that pocket, and that's just not what
Speaker 3: I want from him. For him, that's difficult to do.
Speaker 5: And ironically enough, remember Jerry had said that he's like,
Speaker 5: I don't want my quarterback running, and then that game
Speaker 5: was word.
Speaker 6: Exactly. So many of the big plays are broken plays,
Speaker 6: and obviously, and broken plays often come from when the
Speaker 6: pocket breaks down and you know you're having to to,
Speaker 6: you know, improvise, improvise exactly.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite things about him. Some of his
Speaker 3: biggest plays have some improvise and we talked about it
Speaker 3: the other day. What's one of your favorite Philly games?
Speaker 3: Guess what improvising? Roll into his left Yes, instincts and
Speaker 3: and it's it's instinctual for him to run. So him
Speaker 3: not doing that change to this could be an identity
Speaker 3: shift for him in a sense. I hate it all.
Speaker 2: Right now, you assess the quarterback position, the quarterback room.
Speaker 2: You have Cooper Rush who has been named the starter
Speaker 2: for the Texans on Monday Night Football, then Trey Lance
Speaker 2: falling behind him, and the news of the Cowboys resigning
Speaker 2: Will Greer a reunion there to the practice squad. But
Speaker 2: we'll get to Will Greer in a few seconds. But
Speaker 2: I want to assess a little bit of Trey Lance's performance.
Speaker 2: What'd y'all think about Trey Lance Sunday against the Eagles?
Speaker 2: You look at the numbers, four six for twenty one yards,
Speaker 2: one interception, didn't really get any playing time to the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: But was what was y'alls thoughts? What was the rushing yards?
Speaker 6: He had the one good at the right end.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, So he's great on the move and he
Speaker 5: can run, but we all know with lack of experience
Speaker 5: that he's had. I mean, he hasn't played a real
Speaker 5: full season y'all since twenty seventeen in high school. That's
Speaker 5: a long time. So he needs needs experience. Is it here?
Speaker 5: Do we want him to develop him in these last
Speaker 5: few games? I don't know if that's the answer. You know,
Speaker 5: he's going to make bad decisions. He's gonna throw a
Speaker 5: lot of picks. So it's you know, it's kind of
Speaker 5: up to the Cowboys what they want to do.
Speaker 3: Well, they took him, they gave up before for him,
Speaker 3: so they better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so here we go.
Speaker 3: I mean, tried it out. It's just one of those
Speaker 3: things where it's like, yeah, I mean it is.
Speaker 5: I don't think we saw the best of Cooper either.
Speaker 5: I think that was a really bad game, you know, and.
Speaker 6: I don't think it was the nerves from Cooper.
Speaker 8: See.
Speaker 6: No, it's really interesting what Jerry Jones said this morning,
Speaker 6: and I had heard something similar, not during the game
Speaker 6: on the sideline, but remember when he had the fumble
Speaker 6: on the third play at the game and he fumbled
Speaker 6: the shotgun snap and tries to fall on it, and
Speaker 6: then the Eagle defender is going in in it and
Speaker 6: they kind of crunch each other they rock them, sock them,
Speaker 6: robot their heads together as they're going down, and that
Speaker 6: a little bit of a next strain there. Interesting, so
Speaker 6: that he wasn't wasn't feeling one hundred percent. So you know,
Speaker 6: you could tell that things were different after that, and
Speaker 6: you think, oh, maybe he lost some of his confidence,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, no, Cooper's not.
Speaker 3: That kind of guy.
Speaker 6: You think it was that he affected the rest of
Speaker 6: the game. Now that in hindsight, being twenty twenty, you
Speaker 6: can kind of see that now, And I wonder if
Speaker 6: if it's the case, is that why he wasn't pulling
Speaker 6: the trigger on some of the downfield throws. Is that
Speaker 6: possible or is there because some of the wide receivers,
Speaker 6: if you're not Ceedee Lamb, aren't great at getting separation.
Speaker 3: So that's different conversation.
Speaker 2: Now you're dealing with another quarterback who could be injured
Speaker 2: moving in less forward.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's a part of it.
Speaker 3: Is like again, like there are just times where he
Speaker 3: felt like he was in mud. No different than that,
Speaker 3: Like this receiver corps has had issues getting off of
Speaker 3: press separating in general, love me some Jalen Tolbert. He
Speaker 3: needs to be stronger at the point of attack. He
Speaker 3: needs to be stronger getting off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3: He needs to fight back to the ball. Like Jake
Speaker 3: Fergus say, we know he's been dealing with the knee,
Speaker 3: but I do feel like he's starting to look more
Speaker 3: like himself to me, and some of the wiggle he
Speaker 3: has and stuff like that, I just didn't see. When
Speaker 3: you go back and look at the tape, you see
Speaker 3: why Cooper Rush is hesitating, and it's because guys aren't
Speaker 3: open number one. And if he was dealing with an injury,
Speaker 3: that's even more. That's even more to add on to it.
Speaker 3: So I I did see that stat.
Speaker 2: Cowboys receivers have had less than a yard of separation
Speaker 2: from the nearest defender on a league leading twenty two
Speaker 2: point eight percent of targets this season.
Speaker 6: They've also had the second fewest.
Speaker 2: Average yards of separation at the time of past arrival
Speaker 2: in the It's.
Speaker 6: Hard enough to play quarterback in this league, and it's
Speaker 6: already tight windows that you have to throw into. And
Speaker 6: that the other thing is it's not just the small windows,
Speaker 6: but fighting for the ball. There are too many times
Speaker 6: the defenders get in the interception because it in a
Speaker 6: lot of times. And granted the wide receivers have done
Speaker 6: this several times, but when you're not going to get
Speaker 6: the ball, you make sure.
Speaker 3: They don't get the ball. They don't get the ball,
Speaker 3: do something somebody I know, I agree now with the
Speaker 3: separation as well. You're seeing a lot more teams play
Speaker 3: zone understand. Yeah, there are some times where you'll see
Speaker 3: them do some zone man match stuff where they have
Speaker 3: someone just carrying CD, but the rest of them are
Speaker 3: kind of in the zone front or whatever the case
Speaker 3: may be. Because of the zone. That's a lot of
Speaker 3: the reason why they're not getting separation as well as
Speaker 3: because I mean, for your three wide receivers going out
Speaker 3: on routes, there's six defenders out there, and so that's
Speaker 3: also an issue too. So you talk about again this
Speaker 3: is the next week, maybe how Mike McCarthy game plans
Speaker 3: to create separation. Because here's the thing, we're how many
Speaker 3: weeks are we in, We're going into weekend, We're going
Speaker 3: this week eleven. You have more than enough of information.
Speaker 3: I know the data analytics people are telling you you
Speaker 3: have more than information. Enough of information. I'll let you
Speaker 3: know that these guys aren't separating well outside of ceedee lamb.
Speaker 3: You gotta create it. You gotta find a way to
Speaker 3: create it. It may be difficult. Now, what I will
Speaker 3: say is that going into the next game, your run
Speaker 3: game is showing. I don't know how much another team's
Speaker 3: gonna respect it because they but they are showing that
Speaker 3: they can run the ball in spots. You need more consistency.
Speaker 3: But I think rick o'dada was showing that he can
Speaker 3: he can carry, he can leave the charge. Ter Steel
Speaker 3: has been better and run blocking. Tyler Smith had a
Speaker 3: good day in run blocking. So awsome Richards do some things.
Speaker 3: They are getting some movement. If they can continue to
Speaker 3: do that, maybe some of those people, some of those
Speaker 3: teams are like, well, maybe I do need to put
Speaker 3: a safety down there, Maybe I do need to help
Speaker 3: out down there. The Cowboys just need to stick to it,
Speaker 3: establishing and not get beyond the sticks. As we have
Speaker 3: talked about before. Let's talk about it a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but they're one of the worst teams on first down
Speaker 3: head it's ro it's rough.
Speaker 6: Out here, all right.
Speaker 2: So I don't when you looking back at what he
Speaker 2: did do for the Cowboys in twenty twenty one, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, He was cut in the twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: preseason after the team acquired for Trey Lance.
Speaker 7: What do y'all.
Speaker 2: Remember, because y'all were here at twenty twenty three when
Speaker 2: he played his final game in the preseason against the
Speaker 2: Raiders and bald out.
Speaker 3: What you remember, Oh?
Speaker 6: I remember that they let Dak Prescott call the place?
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 6: And I remember we were given Dak a hard time
Speaker 6: because he's over there calling plays from the sideline and
Speaker 6: you see it on TV where the and it's actually
Speaker 6: a restaurant commercial with Dan Campbell where he gets you know,
Speaker 6: whoever's calling plays. They always put something over their face
Speaker 6: so that nobody can read lips, and Dak's just there.
Speaker 6: N It's like and he needs to, you know, it's
Speaker 6: to look more professional there if he's going to call
Speaker 6: the place. But Will Greer lit it up that day,
Speaker 6: so they let Will Greer have that entire final preseason game.
Speaker 6: They let Dak call the plays because Will Greer had
Speaker 6: found out three days earlier that they had given his
Speaker 6: job away to when they, as Nicole said, acquired Trey
Speaker 6: Lance for the fourth round pick the trade with San Francisco,
Speaker 6: and so he lit it up. I'll say that in
Speaker 6: the two and a half years that Will was here.
Speaker 6: One of my favorite locker room guys. Just a great
Speaker 6: guy and girl dad. He's got two little girls and
Speaker 6: such a nice wife and family. But he is more
Speaker 6: of a kind of a gunslinger.
Speaker 9: Kind of guy.
Speaker 4: Else.
Speaker 3: He's got a little.
Speaker 6: Swagger to him.
Speaker 5: I was watching some stuff. It seemed like a little
Speaker 5: bit of it.
Speaker 6: You want a fun fat I'll ask you this. Okay,
Speaker 6: So Will Griers from North Carolina Davidson, North Carolina and
Speaker 6: huge recruit coming out of high school, Parade All American
Speaker 6: Mister Football USA. He set the high school record for
Speaker 6: most passing yards in a single game. So I'm gonna
Speaker 6: let you guess how many and I and I'll say
Speaker 6: it's a lot in a single game. And in high
Speaker 6: school when the opponent is overmatch, you can put up
Speaker 6: some big numbers.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go mmmm, is it like a wild number?
Speaker 3: It was a hint.
Speaker 6: It's high, Oh, it's high.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna go crazy.
Speaker 3: I'll go high school high school seventy four crazy. He's
Speaker 3: gonna go up too.
Speaker 6: He says a single game record. I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5: Five thirty one, just to be crazy. Five thirty one
Speaker 5: just to be crazy.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go, I'm going to go ten to.
Speaker 6: Eighty six, well eight eight hundred and thirty four yards
Speaker 6: in a single game, saying he threw for eight hundred
Speaker 6: and thirty four yards. Went game in high school they
Speaker 6: playing I'm a League DA Sisters of the Blind. Yes,
Speaker 6: I don't know when he was a senior. Actually it
Speaker 6: was a junior in high school and three for eight
Speaker 6: hundred and thirty four yards. So yeah, but it's interesting because, uh,
Speaker 6: he didn't come with Philly this weekend, but he had
Speaker 6: reunited with Kellen Moore this offseason. He was actually on
Speaker 6: Phillies practice squad, so he's one of these guys. He
Speaker 6: was with the Bengals the previous year, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he started his career with the Panthers and the Panthers
Speaker 6: let him go. The Cowboys signed him away after they
Speaker 6: had let him go. He played, he started a couple
Speaker 6: of games for the Panthers, was with them for two years.
Speaker 6: Had been drafted by the Panthers out of West Virginia.
Speaker 6: But he's one Florida then West to West Virginia, lit
Speaker 6: up everything, and I think he's going to be one
Speaker 6: of these guys where whether it's the Cowboys or he's
Speaker 6: always going to have a job in the NFL because
Speaker 6: he'll know the system and even if it's a new
Speaker 6: and learn it quickly and just always be ready. So
Speaker 6: quarter but he's practiced squad, so he'll probably take one
Speaker 6: of the spots on the game day active roster where
Speaker 6: you can.
Speaker 2: Have Johnson from practice squad, So that, I guess is a.
Speaker 5: Little bit of a roster, especially with especially with Yeah,
Speaker 5: someone was waiting for that.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, if Trey Lance and a Will Greer
Speaker 3: are your quarterbacks, I know were about to have fun.
Speaker 3: Because let me tell you something, Well, in particular to
Speaker 3: Will Greer, I think that is why teams have I
Speaker 3: think that he gave himself opportunity by playing that preseason
Speaker 3: absolutely because he just plays and it's give and take right,
Speaker 3: because I think of I think Baker is a guy
Speaker 3: that I considered Baker Mayfield is a guy that I
Speaker 3: would consider like a gun slinger, and he's he's matured
Speaker 3: and developed. Yes, he's matured and developed to a guy
Speaker 3: that is comfortable revived his career and has the right
Speaker 3: people around him.
Speaker 5: Goo O.
Speaker 3: See down there at the Bucks, and I think about him.
Speaker 3: He reminds me of him and just the way that
Speaker 3: he's free flowing. He'll run, Yes, yeah, he'll make some
Speaker 3: decisions that will make you be like and then and
Speaker 3: then it works or whatever case may be. So I
Speaker 3: agree it's fine to get him in again. He's familiar
Speaker 3: with He's also familiar with this place, yes again, which matters,
Speaker 3: especially bringing someone in given what's going on with this team,
Speaker 3: this locker room. You know, he's not gonna be divisive anyway.
Speaker 3: He probably will be good energy and stuff for the team.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's good to hear one other thing. I
Speaker 6: would just say the previous year, twenty twenty two, it
Speaker 6: was between him and Cooper Rush. He was pushing a
Speaker 6: lot of a lot of us thought that he was
Speaker 6: going to be the backup to Dak and and surpassed
Speaker 6: Cooper Rush, and then he got hurt in training camp
Speaker 6: and didn't get to play the rest of the preseason.
Speaker 6: But most of us were thinking that it was gonna
Speaker 6: be Cooper number three. And will Greg.
Speaker 3: Have a little fun here?
Speaker 5: So do y'all think she's laughing? So it's gonna be
Speaker 5: a good one.
Speaker 3: Hear me out here?
Speaker 6: I'm saying, do y'all see I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's the opportunity of maybe it's like Cooper Rush.
Speaker 2: All right, we tried it, Maybe try trailing it's up
Speaker 2: next and then.
Speaker 6: I no, uh no, they're going to give They're going
Speaker 6: to give trade if if it's not going well with
Speaker 6: Cooper Rush, Trey Lance is going to have every opportunity
Speaker 6: because you traded a fourth round pick for him and
Speaker 6: you didn't all the time. Yeah, you will only see
Speaker 6: Will Greer if you get injuries to Cooper uh and Trey.
Speaker 2: I get that, But do y'all think this isn't just
Speaker 2: I don't want to worry about what Michael McCarthy was,
Speaker 2: you know, the whole ladder. I want to know what
Speaker 2: y'all think about out of the quarterbacks we have.
Speaker 3: Who do you feel from what you've seen, could be
Speaker 3: a starter?
Speaker 6: Should be Again, this is not like I'm not supposed
Speaker 6: to go. I think that they will and and I
Speaker 6: would do the same thing. You go with Cooper Rush
Speaker 6: until you are eliminated.
Speaker 3: Because I didn't let him play. Yeah, and will be
Speaker 3: the emergency guy. But we're saying that, we're saying the
Speaker 3: right thing. But listen, I'm.
Speaker 6: Thought because because here's the thing right now, there's no
Speaker 6: question in my mind that Cooper Rush gives this team
Speaker 6: the best chance to win right now, right now if
Speaker 6: you pay better, and this staff and everybody in this
Speaker 6: building owes it to every single player and every single
Speaker 6: coach to give these guys the best opportunity to win.
Speaker 6: And that's why they're going with Cooper Rush. So I'm
Speaker 6: sorry if the entertainment value is not what you may
Speaker 6: want it to be on Sunday or Monday nights, We've
Speaker 6: got a couple of those coming up on the schedule.
Speaker 6: But I really believe that that's why it's it's going
Speaker 6: to be Cooper unless again, with the injury.
Speaker 5: We know about this injury, how significant.
Speaker 6: Don't put the fact that Jerry alluded to. Of course,
Speaker 6: he alludes to a lot of things that everyone's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna but but but I didn't. I don't
Speaker 6: want to answer for everyone, But do you have an answer?
Speaker 6: I know wants to see more Lance because you got
Speaker 6: to see what you got.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean if Cooper Rush because that
Speaker 3: I didn't know that information, that would make sense. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think the receivers got to play better anyway, But
Speaker 3: I think there was some clean pockets. There was some
Speaker 3: opportunity if he wasn't feeling welled. I wasn't privy to
Speaker 3: that information before because his play was his play last week.
Speaker 3: We can't negate like what we saw in that sense.
Speaker 3: So if he's gonna, because I will say, if he
Speaker 3: comes out this week and place that way again, then
Speaker 3: he doesn't give you the best chance.
Speaker 6: Right and and then then you can justify yes, yeah,
Speaker 6: so that you can justify.
Speaker 5: To watch the film information.
Speaker 2: Also, don't you if his there's a next strain like,
Speaker 2: I just don't want you already lost your starting.
Speaker 3: Quarterback and struggled with that two with the shoulder and
Speaker 3: the neck situation.
Speaker 5: A kind of connected.
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want it.
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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna go to Bonnie Joe chuse.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bonnie, she's over it.
Speaker 2: The season continued, Will it be time to let Mike
Speaker 2: McCarthy go, And again, let me throw this out there,
Speaker 2: just disclaimer, because I want nobody running with our words.
Speaker 5: Yes, this is.
Speaker 2: Not what's going to happen, this is not what's been said.
Speaker 3: This is just our opinions.
Speaker 5: I'm not Michael Parsons, so people won't care as much
Speaker 5: about what I say. But no, well, girls get yeah, well,
Speaker 5: of course the obvious. He's not under contract, right, So
Speaker 5: that's number one. Number two. I just think we've seen
Speaker 5: what is going on with the personnel of the coaching staff.
Speaker 5: I'd love, in a perfect world to get a young
Speaker 5: offensive mine. That's my like a McVeigh shanahan. People are
Speaker 5: even saying, what's his name, Cliff Kingsbury, thank you. He's
Speaker 5: OC over at Washington. I don't know if he's in HC.
Speaker 5: So there's that that we sometimes we're not sure. Maybe
Speaker 5: dcs make better head coaches, But in my mind, yes,
Speaker 5: I think it's I think the players are from what
Speaker 5: I have heard and seen that maybe they're ready to
Speaker 5: move on to the next chapter. I'm trying to say
Speaker 5: that is trying to honest walk the line. I've just
Speaker 5: you know, that's my opinion. It's honest, and that's saying
Speaker 5: I don't like macarthy. I've seen you what he's done.
Speaker 5: He's proven he's actually I was looking at the stat
Speaker 5: that's funny. He's actually has the most wins on the
Speaker 5: road as the head coach is Mike McCarthy when he's
Speaker 5: in Green Bay. So I just I don't know, it's
Speaker 5: just not working sometimes not clicking.
Speaker 6: Most road wins, and then the last couple until this year,
Speaker 6: the home home is where the Cowboys were making.
Speaker 5: We can't perspect the home field.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not her field advantage for us first four years. Yeah,
Speaker 6: So that's tough ch correct.
Speaker 3: It's a hard thing to answer, but I find it.
Speaker 6: I'll give my honest opinion on it. At this time,
Speaker 6: there's eight games to go. I find it disrespectful that
Speaker 6: people bring it up this time. And I get it,
Speaker 6: and I know that in media that that's what we
Speaker 6: get to do. But I'm telling you, as someone that's
Speaker 6: in the building that's been around this for thirty four years,
Speaker 6: it boils my blood a little bit, it really does.
Speaker 6: I find it so disrespectful and you because I well,
Speaker 6: I'm everybody knows I'm a softy, but we did we do.
Speaker 5: At the end of the season, right, We're not talking
Speaker 5: about right now, right, yeah.
Speaker 6: This is yeah, I'm talking about the end of the
Speaker 6: season as well. Because now Mike, Mike has a couple
Speaker 6: daughters who were who were still school age. Your quarterbacks
Speaker 6: coach has three little kids. One of them's about to
Speaker 6: turn a year old, the youngest one. And so when
Speaker 6: someone says one of the names of the coaches to me,
Speaker 6: I don't see them. I mean, yes, in my mind's eye,
Speaker 6: I see them out on the field, but I also
Speaker 6: see them Saturday after practice with their families here, which
Speaker 6: they do a really cool thing here in relationship, another
Speaker 6: personal relationship, different them. So so I I am biased,
Speaker 6: and I'm biased the other way. I'm biased for these people.
Speaker 6: So I'm sorry that I'm not toss in Helen Brimstone
Speaker 6: and adding to this, But but my perspective is different,
Speaker 6: and and I don't like change for the sake of change,
Speaker 6: And I don't like to see families having to relocate
Speaker 6: and kids get pulled out of school. And let's be honest,
Speaker 6: Mike Zimmer is not working with a full deck this year,
Speaker 6: and neither is Mike McCarthy. Yeah, So I don't think
Speaker 6: that you take three consecutive twelve win seasons and sweep
Speaker 6: it aside. Would it be exciting if you get like
Speaker 6: a Ben Johnson or one of these hot Kingsbury or something.
Speaker 6: I think it would fire up the fan base and
Speaker 6: it would get media and.
Speaker 7: Help.
Speaker 12: But you're talking about you're talking about as a new
Speaker 12: coach everything every either yes, yes, and is that yeah,
Speaker 12: But until the personnel gets better.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna better. Yes, go ahead, comment, you got it.
Speaker 2: I can agree with that one hundred percent agree with that.
Speaker 2: And I say that because I mean, you do see
Speaker 2: when players get cut and you have built relationships with
Speaker 2: them or whatever and they leave, it does suck. And
Speaker 2: but I think it's it's kind of hard because you're
Speaker 2: dealing with the business side of it. Yeah, of course
Speaker 2: we're not on the business side of it, thank god, But.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to deal.
Speaker 2: You have to look at like the business side of
Speaker 2: it and whether or not you're bringing in wins, which,
Speaker 2: of course michaemccarthy has twelve one seasons and three straight seasons,
Speaker 2: but when you look at this year, it's not really
Speaker 2: the same. Again, the personnel has not been there and
Speaker 2: that is not on Micha McCarthy.
Speaker 6: So it's like you.
Speaker 2: Look at the business side of it, but then you
Speaker 2: look at the humanizing side of it and you see
Speaker 2: it how well he connects.
Speaker 3: With these guys.
Speaker 2: You see how much these guys love him. You see
Speaker 2: what he's done with Dak Prescott and how he's just
Speaker 2: improved him over the last couple of years as well.
Speaker 2: And it's I'm kind of like down the middle, like
Speaker 2: I don't know how, I don't know if I've decided
Speaker 2: if like it's like all right, time to go and
Speaker 2: get rid of Mike McCarthy, or it's you know, I
Speaker 2: haven't really just to nail that.
Speaker 5: Though, because it is like, at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: football is a business, but at the same time, there
Speaker 5: is the human element to it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 5: We've seen that with Jerry Jones that he's very close
Speaker 5: with you know, Red, with Jason Garrett and you know,
Speaker 5: whoever it may be. And sometimes people say that hurts
Speaker 5: an organization, you know, So I don't know, it's tough.
Speaker 2: And you just and Christy headed on the nail too
Speaker 2: because she said that, you don't know, with bringing in
Speaker 2: it's gonna it's gonna make a difference. It's gonna make
Speaker 2: a difference or not. Again, you have to start with
Speaker 2: the person.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and we don't know what that looks like
Speaker 5: exactly right and different things.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 6: It could be much greater, or it could take a
Speaker 6: few years.
Speaker 5: And maybe it's a couple of pieces and it's just
Speaker 5: it's not the coach. I don't know what the problems.
Speaker 5: We don't know.
Speaker 3: I was listening to y'all.
Speaker 6: I've made me feel bad. No, I'm not to do that.
Speaker 6: You asked, And I'm trying to bring a different perspective.
Speaker 5: Because you have and you have a relationship with them.
Speaker 6: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate the transparency. I was able to connect
Speaker 3: with some of the coaches who were here previously, and
Speaker 3: I do understand the human element of it as well.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: I remember even hearing Joe Witt talk about I don't
Speaker 3: want to move my girls again. I don't want to
Speaker 3: have to do that. What I will say about what's
Speaker 3: going on with Mike McCarthy, and this stems back to
Speaker 3: even when dan Quinn was here, the constant conversation of
Speaker 3: always dan Quinn going to be the take over the
Speaker 3: job next year. That causing contention just and I just
Speaker 3: believe that every coach is in this building right now
Speaker 3: came into an unfortunate situation from the start this year.
Speaker 3: The lack of depth because of them not attacking free agency,
Speaker 3: the amount of and you Christy, you mentioned you know
Speaker 3: the stress that it puts on the coaches. This puts
Speaker 3: the way that the Cowboys are run, puts a lot
Speaker 3: of stress on their scouts as well. Yes, they don't
Speaker 3: have the opportunity we're seeing unfortunately, which happens in draft.
Speaker 3: You're not always going to be right about everyone. But
Speaker 3: we're seeing really that the draft class from last year,
Speaker 3: not this year, last year really hasn't supplemented in the
Speaker 3: way that you needed them to. And that's a trickle
Speaker 3: down effect and that comes back to your scouting department.
Speaker 3: But also too, you need free agency to help bridge
Speaker 3: that gap between those rookies as they develop and they
Speaker 3: get better. So I do agree that I think that
Speaker 3: there's some systematic things that are not being done well
Speaker 3: enough to benefit these coaches so they can maneuver how
Speaker 3: they need to. I feel like we have quite a
Speaker 3: few coaches here on one one year deal since that
Speaker 3: brings me to my second point is I understand the
Speaker 3: human element of it. But when you're taken one year, dear,
Speaker 3: you know what's up?
Speaker 6: Yeah, truer point. These are all the big boys. Yes,
Speaker 6: their big boy pants, and everybody knows. They know that
Speaker 6: coaches are hired to be.
Speaker 3: Fired and it's and it's And this is something I
Speaker 3: can speak to personally. As I have tried to look
Speaker 3: into what avenues I wanted to pursue my career and
Speaker 3: things like that, what I've learned is that coaching is
Speaker 3: it's not a stable thing, and you can't you cannot
Speaker 3: become content in coaching. So with that being said, I
Speaker 3: I think that Mike McCarthy and those people, despite the
Speaker 3: fact that it is harder on their families and stuff,
Speaker 3: there probably is planning and stuff in place for those things.
Speaker 3: So I empathize, but I trust that they have a
Speaker 3: plan for that. Number one, But number two, I do
Speaker 3: think that we are at a crossroads with philosophy, with
Speaker 3: just the way how again, how things are run. I
Speaker 3: think we are at a crossroads with what's happening up
Speaker 3: top and what is trickling down to the coaching staff.
Speaker 3: So part of me is like everything you guys said
Speaker 3: is accurate. But I also am just like, go live
Speaker 3: y'all's life. I know I'm not trying to be mean.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be but you guys just mentioned
Speaker 3: with the way that this team is run, it puts
Speaker 3: immense stress on the coaching staff to elevate what they
Speaker 3: have around them because they don't attack things the way
Speaker 3: that you need to, and so it's always going to
Speaker 3: be a damper on the coaches. It's always going to
Speaker 3: come back on them until they're whatever coach. If it
Speaker 3: does happen there there needs to be a marrying of
Speaker 3: the front office and the coaches in a way that's
Speaker 3: like we understand what you want to do, like the
Speaker 3: coaches need to be able to implement the stuff that
Speaker 3: they want to do to forward the team as well.
Speaker 3: So for me, for me, Mike McCarthy is great. He's
Speaker 3: I always vouched for him. I've always thought he was great.
Speaker 3: I love how empathetic he is to the players.
Speaker 5: How much can tell you you can tell.
Speaker 3: But I do think that maybe some of his philosophies,
Speaker 3: some of the things that he wants to do are
Speaker 3: not within the realm of what the NFL looks like now.
Speaker 3: So if you were to bring him back, are is
Speaker 3: he willing to be open to some of the change.
Speaker 3: Is he willing to be open to some of the
Speaker 3: things that would make even a lesser roster be able
Speaker 3: to perform like.
Speaker 5: An old school mentality?
Speaker 3: Now new school intelligence coming fund necessarily, but just okay
Speaker 3: with moving forward because I don't it doesn't take rocket
Speaker 3: science to see that a lot of the philosophies and
Speaker 3: the way they run the ball and the schemes and
Speaker 3: the lack of motion. I mean, they have literally been
Speaker 3: bottom of the league in motion as the rest of
Speaker 3: the league, every good offense in the league, and it's
Speaker 3: just like trying to hammer in something, and every coach
Speaker 3: has their philosophies and what they like to do. Is
Speaker 3: he willing to train some of those things? If not,
Speaker 3: then there's a whole nother conversation. But I just think again,
Speaker 3: this whole situation has been unfortunate for the players because
Speaker 3: of how things are. I feel for the I feel
Speaker 3: for the young linebackers. I feel for these young players
Speaker 3: that need guidance. Mozsie Smith doesn't have a nose. Tackle
Speaker 3: too poor into him to teach him the game there's
Speaker 3: just there's a lot of things that the coaches don't
Speaker 3: have control.
Speaker 5: Over that it's to you, you said to all the
Speaker 5: football scouts.
Speaker 3: No, I just I just unfortunate to begin with. I
Speaker 3: do think that you are at a crossroads with Mike
Speaker 3: McCarthy and some decisions have to be made.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing though, about the changing and philosophy.
Speaker 2: If Mike McCarthy is willing to change, I don't know,
Speaker 2: because no I saw. But you look at last year
Speaker 2: and they were at the bottom of the league in
Speaker 2: motion and you saw how they changed it and look
Speaker 2: at what happened. They had one of the best, the
Speaker 2: best offense in the NFL in twenty twenty three. So
Speaker 2: I mean you I feel like he's willing to But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he also needs the offensive It's also to the
Speaker 3: offensive line. It's also to the pre snap penalties. It's
Speaker 3: also like this all ties into you have a lot
Speaker 3: of Yeah it's a lot, but you got a lot
Speaker 3: of young players on adults not doing doing I've been
Speaker 3: in the league years stuff.
Speaker 5: And making an impact immediately, and if they don't, there's
Speaker 5: all the pressure again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there is whoever coaches here has to any
Speaker 3: whoever coaches here is going to be navigating some things
Speaker 3: that are different and they have to be cool with
Speaker 3: accepting some of that stuff. And it does cause contention.
Speaker 3: When when when when when When you as a coach,
Speaker 3: want to conceal an injury and then you hear it
Speaker 3: being announced, it's this is it's not always. They need
Speaker 3: to be together what however it works, and that's the scouts,
Speaker 3: the draft and philosophy, all that needs to be together
Speaker 3: because right now it feels like people are doing or
Speaker 3: have been doing, kind of what they want to do
Speaker 3: or what they deem best, and that's just not clearly
Speaker 3: hasn't resonated well in the field.
Speaker 5: They said that sorry real quick. Aaron Rodgers did say
Speaker 5: that Mike McCarthy does the best in adversity, that he's
Speaker 5: really good when he's when he's I guess you know,
Speaker 5: the hot to see whatever you want to say.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's always had. You know, there were years in
Speaker 6: Green Bay where they were decimated with injuries. But this year,
Speaker 6: with what's happened with the defensive end position and the others,
Speaker 6: it's just it's a contract year and timing is everything
Speaker 6: in life, and for these coaches, this is a bad
Speaker 6: year to be in the last year of your contract. Well,
Speaker 6: for when you have these injury situations.
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Speaker 6: The Texans.
Speaker 5: It's your town.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, h Down comes to Dallas, Texans.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be the battle of who runs Texas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be fun to watch Christy break down
Speaker 2: the different approaches taken by the Cowboys and the Texans
Speaker 2: and how it's paid off with joke Mixing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So what happened was the Texans, we're gonna be
Speaker 6: without Devin Singletary because he took a they he had
Speaker 6: been their starter and he went for bigger money with
Speaker 6: the New York Giants, and so they wanted to a
Speaker 6: veteran and they ended up getting Joe Mixon from the
Speaker 6: Cincinnati Bengals. Remember this a Pro Bowl running back who,
Speaker 6: along with Joe Burrow, leads him to a Super Bowl
Speaker 6: and you know, all these thousand yard seasons, and they
Speaker 6: got him for a seventh round draft pick.
Speaker 5: A lot of those because the off the field problems.
Speaker 6: That's true, that's true. But they got him back in
Speaker 6: March for a seventh round pick, and they immediately signed
Speaker 6: him to a contract extension. The Texans did three years,
Speaker 6: twenty seven million dollars, thirteen million of it guaranteed. But
Speaker 6: even before going for Mixing, they got out bid on
Speaker 6: Saquon Barkley. They had a budget in mind, and they
Speaker 6: offered him. I believe that they offered thirty three million
Speaker 6: to Saquon Barkley. Wow, and Saquon took the bigger money
Speaker 6: from Phililadelphia.
Speaker 5: And uh, I don't think I remember that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well with the Yeah. So anyways, so Mixing's cap
Speaker 6: hit this year is five point five million dollars and
Speaker 6: uh yeah, and how well has he been doing through
Speaker 6: this first half of the season. First NFL player to
Speaker 6: run for one hundred yards and five of his first
Speaker 6: six games with a new team. So, whether it's a
Speaker 6: rookie and you're a new your new team in the NFL,
Speaker 6: or you get traded or leaving free agency and join
Speaker 6: a new club, first ever in NFL history to rush
Speaker 6: for one hundred yards and five of his first appearances
Speaker 6: with a new franchise. So yeah, so he's coming here.
Speaker 6: So the Texans were aggressive. They were very aggressive, and
Speaker 6: it's paid off for him so far.
Speaker 5: I really did.
Speaker 3: I love that for them. Good for them.
Speaker 6: Where should we have.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was imtant. I would assume it was.
Speaker 3: They were aggressive because it's important, like c. J. Stroud
Speaker 3: continues to develop, to develop. We've seen that he is
Speaker 3: different this year. I'm not gonna act like he's like
Speaker 3: bad or anything. He's not, but he is. He's learning,
Speaker 3: he's learning, he's learning, and a good running game is
Speaker 3: literally always going to help a young quarterback. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And he's good out of the backfield catching the ball,
Speaker 6: he can outlet.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So this is would you say they got for
Speaker 3: him again?
Speaker 6: Seventh round pick?
Speaker 3: All right, let's just time.
Speaker 6: We're gonna be breaking down the matchup.
Speaker 3: We feel real confident.
Speaker 6: Appreciate that I'm the softy.
Speaker 5: Yeah that's true.
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