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Speaker 3: Here we go. It is Wednesday, A lot going on.

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Speaker 1: It is the Herd. And wherever you may be, and

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Speaker 1: however you may be listening, always appreciate you making us

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Speaker 1: part of your day. A lot of choices out there.

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Speaker 1: Funds today, Tony Grossi, who was I mean, let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: virtually attacked by Shador Sanders after that funny season game.

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Speaker 1: Tony Grossey has the courage to not only go back

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Speaker 1: on here in Cleveland, He'll come on our show today.

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Speaker 1: I'm here to the fand America's journalist Tony Grosey calling

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Speaker 1: it like he sees it. Hey, listen, these talk show hosts,

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Speaker 1: you got to defend them. Yeah, you basically need.

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Speaker 3: A bodyguard at this point. I mean, goodness, if you.

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Speaker 1: Were to go to the Cowboys at the Backward at Saga.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of dramas.

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Speaker 1: So it is interesting when I show up for work

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Speaker 1: in the morning, what's on my desk? And this was interesting?

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Speaker 1: It was the PFF grades for preseason Week one rookie quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Oh look, Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 1: According to PFF, easily the highest greded quarterback. Jackson Dart

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Speaker 1: was good, Jalen Milroe, cam Ward struggled, Tyler Schuck and

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Speaker 1: Quinn Yours were bad. This is, by the way, exactly

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Speaker 1: what you saw. This is what we will e all guessed. Right,

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart better than I thought. Shador looked like he

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Speaker 1: did in college. But here's the other thing, because I've

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Speaker 1: said this all week, I think he needs to grow up,

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Speaker 1: and maybe he never will. But you could argue, of

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Speaker 1: all the rookie quarterbacks, he was throwing to the weakest

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Speaker 1: receiving corps. This morning, I went and found the ten

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Speaker 1: guys who made a catch for the Cleveland Browns in

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Speaker 1: this game.

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Speaker 3: Eight are undrafted.

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Speaker 1: One of them is sal Kanella, who honestly is my

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Speaker 1: favorite Sopranos character. Ever, one of them is toa Tua

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Speaker 1: Jamary Thrash. Now I remember James Thrash, no relation to

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Speaker 1: Jamari Thrash. Gauge Larva, Dan Larva Dan. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a headache medication. The point being is eight of

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Speaker 1: the ten are undrafted. And this is what he did,

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Speaker 1: with the exception of Travis Hunter. This is what he

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Speaker 1: did at Colorado. He had to outscore teams. He had

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Speaker 1: TCU forty five forty two shootout or something like that.

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Speaker 1: He also had the worst rushing offense in college football,

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Speaker 1: It was always on shore Sanders. And when I looked

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Speaker 1: Colorado all over again. That basically he's having to carry it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, this is the opposite of JJ McCarthy's experience.

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Speaker 1: When he was at Michigan, they had the number one defense,

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Speaker 1: five FBS. Run game could rely on others throwing on

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Speaker 1: play action. Yeah, Snower didn't get to throw on play

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Speaker 1: and building his confidence, because how could he. When you

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Speaker 1: He's arguably the best player in football. Shnor Sanders, a

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Speaker 1: Shador Sanders today injured his oblique at practice. He may

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Speaker 1: practice today, so we'll see what transpires. So the other

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Speaker 1: part of the best football dynasty of my life was

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Speaker 1: you know, it felt like two different dynasties early and late.

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Speaker 1: They went ten years and didn't get a trophy, it

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Speaker 1: And I talked about it this week. The reason Lebron

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Speaker 1: Last year, the Chiefs were eleventh in point differential, eleventh

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, for the record, the Dodgers with

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Speaker 1: reality of Now you've got Hall of Fame coaches in

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Speaker 1: let's be honest about Mahomes. He's already got blown out

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Speaker 1: in two Super Bowls. He's been blown out in two

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls. Why stop because of a bad quarterback. It's

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Speaker 1: because they unraveled, because the old line, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: So you go look at Brady. Brady had the advantage

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Speaker 1: Brady had an advantage. Everybody in his division was dysfunctional

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Speaker 1: This division that Mahomes isn't is the opposite that it's

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Speaker 1: we think that they've ever had, so Andy Reid. Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid always says the right stuff was on with Kay

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Speaker 1: the dynasty part of their winning is over.

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Speaker 5: When it's all said, it's winning the game and we

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Speaker 5: was proud of them for that. And we don't listen

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Speaker 5: all the noise. I mean, you know, if you do that,

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Speaker 5: you're gonna go crazy. Then you're not gonna have fun, right.

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Speaker 1: And it's been fun so far. So again, the Patriots

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Speaker 1: in the decade long, they didn't win a super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: That's the Moss Brady Space, five and five AFC championships,

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Speaker 1: eight division titles, set records. They were still great. But

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Speaker 1: it just you're not going to do another twenty year dynasty.

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Speaker 1: It's just not gonna happen with the that good.

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Speaker 3: By the way.

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Speaker 1: Brady was, I was almost right. Brady was thirty and

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Speaker 1: three against the Bills, and by the way Mahomes is

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Speaker 1: like thirty five and five against his division. That's not

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Speaker 1: going to remain the same of the next forty games.

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Speaker 1: He's not winning thirty five. I'd be surprised if he

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Speaker 1: won thirty. And that's not a knock on Mahomes or

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid j Mac. Sometimes I read these stories, Wait, hold.

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Speaker 3: On that Tom Brady's that thirty and three again.

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Speaker 1: But the Bills were dysfunctional, the Dolphins are always average,

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Speaker 1: and the Jets were mostly dysfunctional.

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Speaker 3: And that's not a knock.

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Speaker 1: But remember when years ago the Colts were in the

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Speaker 1: Franchises are just not interesting, But there are two. The

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Speaker 1: matured issues. I hated the legendary draft room nonsense, the

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Speaker 1: speeding tickets rolled me nuts. I did not love him

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Speaker 1: coming up to you. So let's go to that moment.

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Speaker 1: You're outspoken, you don't last as long as you do.

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Speaker 1: You've got to be credible in the market. So what

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Speaker 1: did you say that it had them a whole riled up?

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Speaker 8: You know, I don't know if there's anything specific.

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Speaker 7: It's just that since he arrived, I've treated him as

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Speaker 7: just one of the ninety players. He's got these lesion,

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Speaker 7: these incredible legion of fans who think the Cleveland brown

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Speaker 7: season is all about Shador Sanders this year, and I haven't.

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Speaker 7: I've stayed away from that mentality, although although we talked

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Speaker 7: Shudor constantly on our ear, I have to be fair

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Speaker 7: to you know, what else is going on with the team.

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Speaker 7: And there have been a few things I questioned the

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Speaker 7: first time at Rooking mini camps, say, Dylan Gabriel and

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Speaker 7: Shudur Sanders on the field together that first day. I

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Speaker 7: came away and said, I understand why the Browns took

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Speaker 7: Dylan Gabriel ahead of Shuder Sanders. I thought Gabriel did

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Speaker 7: some things that Sanders at that time didn't do. I'm

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Speaker 7: not sure there's one smoking gun thing that I said

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Speaker 7: to get him riled up. And that was the first time.

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Speaker 7: You know, we've been in this camp for three going

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Speaker 7: on four weeks, and after that game was the first

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Speaker 7: time he said anything to me.

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Speaker 1: Fourth on the depth chart after that performance, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like the depth chart should be

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Speaker 1: based on performance. Everybody else is hurt staying healthy as

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Speaker 1: a skill. Were you surprised he was still fourth?

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Speaker 7: The reason I say no, Colin, is because I think

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Speaker 7: the Browns are following their script of their training camp

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Speaker 7: and one performance wasn't going to affect the next day.

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Speaker 7: That performance will probably well, obviously will affect his whole

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Speaker 7: body of work when they evaluate everything. But the thing is,

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Speaker 7: Dylan Gabriel hasn't had his opportunity yet. They evaluated Gabriel,

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Speaker 7: you know what, the forty spots fifty spots higher in

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Speaker 7: the draft, and they want to be fair to their

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Speaker 7: own evaluation of them, and they want to see Gabriel

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Speaker 7: on the field before they make any adjustment to the

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Speaker 7: depth chart. I think that's coming after this week. They're

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Speaker 7: here in Philadelphia practicing against the Eagles. Gabriel is scheduled

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Speaker 7: to start that game in all likelihood, and the coach

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Speaker 7: said today finally for the first time, the plan was

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Speaker 7: to have each of the rookies start one game in

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Speaker 7: pre season, so I think that's why they haven't adjusted

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Speaker 7: his either snap counts in practice or the rotation.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they'll keep four quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I've speculated they'll move Kenny Pickett at the d end

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Speaker 1: of camp or trade deadline or someone. What do you

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Speaker 1: make about keeping four quarterbacks?

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Speaker 8: I think it's very possible.

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Speaker 7: You know, with sixteen guys on the practice squad, that

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Speaker 7: they can keep four quarterbacks on the fifty three and

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Speaker 7: accommodate the positions that they sacrifice then on the practice squad.

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Speaker 7: I think they're very disappointed and frustrated that Pickett has

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Speaker 7: not gotten on tape during game action to show everybody

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Speaker 7: what they might see in him that they think highly

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Speaker 7: of them. But his hamstring problems have set back any

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Speaker 7: idea of trading him or a market for him. But

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Speaker 7: I can see them going into the season with all

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Speaker 7: four and just seeing what happens around the rest of

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Speaker 7: the league. You know, Pickett does have some redeeming qualities

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Speaker 7: for the right team. I mean, he's in his fourth year,

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Speaker 7: he's been with two other teams, He's been a first

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Speaker 7: round pick. He just hasn't been able to show this

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Speaker 7: camp what the Browns saw in him.

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Speaker 1: So I've said through the year, I don't like my

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks to be too light and unserious. Johnny Manziel was

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Speaker 1: too goofy, Baker was too cocky. But I like confidence,

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Speaker 1: and I get a lot of pushback on that, but

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Speaker 1: I always say I've been pretty good at seeing it.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't like Will Levis and the Gun Show.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was arrogant again, confidence, arrogance and silly.

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Speaker 1: There are times I've said with Shade or he's a

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Speaker 1: little unseerious for me, A little playful?

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's my take is that history shows you

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Speaker 1: that serious, driven, focused, almost obsessed guys do well in

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Speaker 1: this league. What do you make of that comment that

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Speaker 1: he's a bit unseerious.

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Speaker 7: I think he's got a playful personality.

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Speaker 8: You know, he's brilli.

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Speaker 7: I've constantly said this since I met him at the Combine.

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Speaker 7: You cannot leave a conversation with Shador without smiling. I mean,

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Speaker 7: he is a very positive and playful guy. I don't

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Speaker 7: think that gets into a the way of his job.

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Speaker 7: I think that endears him to teammates. He's it's a

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Speaker 7: it's a different kind of charisma about him, So I

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Speaker 7: find him really charming as a as a young young person.

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Speaker 7: Actually I have Okay, I have not had confrontations with him.

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Speaker 7: You know, that was an interaction and that was the

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Speaker 7: only time he said anything to me that he was

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Speaker 7: even hearing things or reading things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is interesting. The obviously they have two

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Speaker 1: first round picks. They want to get a quarterback. Boy,

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Speaker 1: it's a good quarterback class Cade club Nick at Clemson

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Speaker 1: and Drew Aller and nuss Meyer and obviously Arch Manning,

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Speaker 1: and I mean they Cleveland's looking for a quarterback and

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Speaker 1: it's the year to be looking for a quarterback. Finally,

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Speaker 1: Tony Groci for the radio audience, a very very very

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Speaker 1: popular and renowned Cleveland host and former newspaper guy. It

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Speaker 1: looks like to me in this division they're like a

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Speaker 1: four win team. It's a it's not an easy schedule.

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Speaker 1: It's not any division. But I've said before, like when

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning left, there are years in a franchise when

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Speaker 1: four wins is okay. And this is the year for Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Let's say they go four and thirteen. I worry about

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Speaker 1: Haslam being impulsive. Is Stefanski held in high enough regard

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Speaker 1: that if they're really bad and get the number two pick,

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Speaker 1: that Stefanski maintains this job. It seems obvious he would.

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Speaker 1: But the history of.

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Speaker 3: Cleveland and Haslam is they make moves that surprises.

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Speaker 1: So let's say there three and fourteen, does Stefanski retain it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is where I think Haslam's maturity comes in.

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Speaker 7: I think that decision has already been made. I think

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Speaker 7: both Stefanski and Andrew Berry are part of the solution

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Speaker 7: of bringing the Browns out of the Deshaun Watson era.

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Speaker 7: You know, they still have a few years of salary

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Speaker 7: cap ramifications no matter what happens with Watson from here

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Speaker 7: on out, So they need to go to the young

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Speaker 7: rookie quarterback contract way to get out of this thing.

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Speaker 7: And I think HASLM is relying on this partnership to

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Speaker 7: see it through. In effect, he's not holding them accountable

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Speaker 7: for the mistake that the Deshaun Wathington trade has been.

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Speaker 8: And I don't have any doubt that.

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Speaker 7: The scenario you're describing will not be the end of

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Speaker 7: this partnership. It's really they're the guys that are going

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Speaker 7: to lead them into the next quarterback era. Whether that's

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Speaker 7: the Dylan Gabriel or Shoulder Sanders era, or the Leonora

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Speaker 7: Sellers or that next crop era. I think HASLM is

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Speaker 7: determined that this is this is the plan, and he

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Speaker 7: said before the draft, if we don't find the guy

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Speaker 7: this year, we'll keep looking for him.

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Speaker 8: And you know, people want.

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Speaker 7: To do to start and they got to find out

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Speaker 7: about him.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's a long season.

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Speaker 7: The Browns had played nine starting ports the last two years.

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Speaker 7: Both of these guys are going to get there, you

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Speaker 7: know their tress rehearsals.

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Speaker 8: So we'll see how it plays out. But I agree

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Speaker 8: with you.

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Speaker 7: I don't think you can let that quarterback class next

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Speaker 7: year pass you by, no matter what happens this year.

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Speaker 8: To be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: No, it's it is a great one.

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Speaker 1: So we have Jalen Hurts gave Shadu a ride in

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Speaker 1: a golf cart today joint practices, which is good to see.

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Speaker 1: Apparently they had they had a long conversation.

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Speaker 3: We got to run. Tony Grossi has been kind enough

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Speaker 3: to take time. He's a busy guy. There we go.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you're going to take advice from

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Speaker 1: any young quarterback, take it from Jalen Hurts, who's twenty

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Speaker 1: seven going on forty seven. It might as well bring

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Speaker 1: a briefcase to the podium. He's one of the most

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Speaker 1: mature young men that is. I don't know if I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen a guy who is better at the podium

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Speaker 1: in a loud, relentless market in Philadelphia's media is brutal,

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Speaker 1: and Hurts has mastered it. Tony, thank you for stopping

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Speaker 1: by your great.

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Speaker 3: Tony G.

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Speaker 8: Thanks Colin, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Of course, support those radio guys seen him.

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Speaker 1: Mark