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Speaker 1: It's books, it's gossip. I'm shook. It's memoirs, Martinis. Celebrity

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Speaker 1: Book Club can read it while it's hot. Celebrity Book Club,

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Speaker 1: tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books. No boys

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Speaker 1: are alloud. Celebrit Book Club, say it loud and pound

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Speaker 1: Celebrity book Club. Buzz Man. I brought the queer poe

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Speaker 1: Hey best fris Hey, one of my dearest. Oh the friends. Oh, Darling,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in ages. I haven't seen you

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Speaker 1: since you've read in that tough little college in sam

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Speaker 1: Maritz in the spring of nineteen sixty eight, and we

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Speaker 1: was that when I was married to doctor Albert Becozy,

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Speaker 1: were having an affair with this terrible Egyptian artist, one

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Speaker 1: drowned in a terrible sinking. Darling. He was short, but

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Speaker 1: crazy voices. It's super theater camp over here today, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: about to get really theater camp. We're telling this because

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Speaker 1: we read Actually, this is maybe my new favorite book. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think so, even though he randomly might have read

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Speaker 1: to a different they're both our new favorite books. This

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Speaker 1: is Peggy Guggenheim's memoir. And yes, honey, that Guger and him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so the museum, you know it. It's called Out of

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Speaker 1: This Century Confessions of an Art Addict. So, okay, here's

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Speaker 1: suggestions of Nicholas Bentley, the English editor and illustrator, I

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Speaker 1: So just like in Steven's version, she's she's giving you

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Speaker 1: I thought Piggy Guggenheim like owned the Gougenheim. Yeah, the museum, honestly, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go through her. So okay, So Lawrence Vale is

465
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: her first husband, right, Um, and then she's with this guy,

466
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: John Holmes, who dies very tragically. Um. He's thrown from

467
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Speaker 1: a horse, of course, at their English home one summer,

468
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: and then for three years his wrist is broken and

469
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: it's quite painful for him. And so he finally conceeds

470
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: to get this operation done at their home in Paris,

471
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: and he dies while under anesthesia, and she's like dolling,

472
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: And of course it was the King's anesthetist. And this

473
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: is why I'm so a friend of anesthesia, like it's us.

474
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: And but I do think like medicine at this time

475
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: was just like not yeah, it was going to go

476
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: like the third Cheese and it was. It soundings so

477
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: like the thirties, but also like they're just on this

478
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: weird cost before modern medicine where it's like X rays

479
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: are happening, so like they are doing surgeries, but it's

480
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: like they're just doing them kind of badly. Yeah, and

481
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: like before they were just like giving in like Western times,

482
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 1: like cowboys were so like give them, you know, bottle

483
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: of whiskey and pass out. And now they're like, we've

484
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: created anesthetics, right, and then there's like killing someone and

485
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: then they're just fully killing someone and like and she

486
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: really and she was like and of course they all

487
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: knew that they'd killed him, and then she could tell

488
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: that all the doctors are so nervous that she's gonna

489
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: go just like full medical malpractice suit on them, and

490
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: they're being like, um, he actually was like a total

491
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: alcoholic and like his system was like bad or whatever, like,

492
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: which is I'm sure true, right, which and it sounds

493
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: like she wasn't being so grudge and insane and like

494
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: even though she's American, she's not like so litigious, and

495
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: I do respect that about her. She's American, but she

496
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: likes Europe better than America, Like she does come back

497
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: to the US after the phony warm At first, she

498
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: calls World War two the phony War, but then when

499
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: all of her like friend Bohemius Rollo's painters like are

500
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: getting put in concentration camps, she's just like, oh, the

501
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: war was awful. I mean, yeah, She's running around France

502
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the war and she's just like

503
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: and she keeps like trying to put on a gallery

504
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: show like as I was like, because you're like and

505
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: she is just like, well, okay, so I shipped all

506
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: of Max Earn's paintings and then I shipped at ken

507
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 1: Dinskate and at that time, I mean, my polocks came through,

508
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: but they got stuck in customs in Italy. Don't ever

509
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: send anything through Italy. And she was literally full key

510
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 1: trying to like put on a gallery show in Paris

511
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: and then being like oh. And then she's like at

512
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: a cafe at one point with like Duchamp or like

513
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: Becket or someone, and she was like and they were

514
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: like bombing the outer suburbs of Paris, and she was

515
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: just being like, oh God, what's that dreadful racket? And

516
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: she was like and I was still going back to

517
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: the kitchen to fetch more wine. And so then eventually

518
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: she's just like, Okay, we have to get out, and

519
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: to this point where everyone is like fleeing Paris and

520
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: everyone's like the roads are packed on it, and she

521
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: was like it was wonderful because they were barely checking

522
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: anyone's passport because everyone was fleeing. And she was like, well,

523
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: all these fools were going west because they thought the

524
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 1: Germans were coming from the east. But and everyone said, oh,

525
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: you're going to run into the Italian army and said,

526
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: oh dolly, and I doubt it. And so then she's

527
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: just like fleeing to like this random village where she

528
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: is for a while, and then they go to Marseilles,

529
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: and then they took a boat to Lisbon. But she's

530
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: being very just like I don't know, I'm also just

531
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: okay theory, like she gets scared. I mean, yes, she's rich.

532
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: I think that's the theory. Yeah, she is rich. I guess.

533
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm like in this like way of how people got

534
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: like rapids, like the Illuminati got rapids earlier, Like was like,

535
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: was she getting such like tea from Julia Child who

536
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: was a spy and she was like, Pa, you must

537
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: go west, pack pack the pop procolo and she's like, darling,

538
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: thank you. By the way, that duck recipe was phenomenal

539
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: and was it almagnac? You you I must get a

540
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: bottle of that. This fan fiction between Peggy and Julia.

541
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: I think that's fully true. Julius, send you here a cable,

542
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: Dolly a telegram, and she said you must get out

543
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: of the Paris and ship the paintings. Because there's one

544
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: scene in Marseilles where they were like, some police come,

545
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: some gendarmes come, And then she was like, and they

546
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: asked me if I were Jewish and I said, no, darling,

547
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm Americans, like and of course I was terrified, but

548
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: they were gonna ship me off to one of these

549
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: dreadful camps. But then they don't ship or up to

550
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: a camp. Also, Max Earns was like a camp survivor.

551
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: That part was insane. So Max Earns, who I did

552
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: look up, who is a surrealist painter? All right, we'll

553
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: talk about surrealism. But then I love the part where

554
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: she was like and whenever he would meet someone from

555
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: the camps, they would talk about it as if they

556
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: were they had all been to the same vacation in town.

557
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: Like she was jealous and she's like so and she

558
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: was it was actually crazy when being back in America

559
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: and she's like, and we're not going to gallery to

560
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: gallery and they're like going to so many restaurants and

561
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: it's like this total like return for her, and she's

562
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: like rocking around with her new husband, Max Earnst, and

563
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: she's like it was amazing to go with someone everyone recognized,

564
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: and like she's feeling so like famous, and everyone from

565
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: the concentration camps as being so like what is up,

566
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: and she's like jealous that. She's just like okay, she'd

567
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: be like, oh not you guys all in Como together

568
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: and like, okay, let's get into surrealism. Sorry, I'm like

569
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: not into it, not into it, okay, surrealist and I've

570
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: never been into surrealism. I'm okay. Surrealism to me, yes,

571
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: I know, it's like from the twenties or whatever. It's

572
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: the most like and it was like rocking van like

573
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: their minds. To me, it's so it's so straight guyed

574
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: being like whoa tripping. Yeah, it's like the invention of

575
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: like grateful dead art. Yes, it's that. To me, it's

576
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: like it's so nine, like a guy in the whatever,

577
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: like a modern guy having like a seventies poster being like,

578
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: fuck man, this is so crazy. It's it's like it's

579
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: like a girl but her face is a tree, so

580
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: it's a nineties guy into the sixties. It's that it's

581
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: the store shop therapy and province down like it's any headshop,

582
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: like it's bowls. It's literally blast blowing, like well, like

583
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: a chick's legs, legs are spread, but like her pussy's

584
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: a waterfall. It's like a staircase made of suitcases. It's

585
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: just it's like a camel is giving birth to a dude.

586
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: It's just like congrats, I'm being trippy. And it's like

587
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: she's obsessed with surrealism. It all these did like once

588
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: they all smoking opium. Oh honey, if they were smoking

589
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 1: whatever they get their hands on. So one of her

590
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: biggest regrets um is just like so she quote unquote

591
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: discovers polic and then he like really just as her

592
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: her in his later career, and there's like all this

593
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: writing and like she's never mentioned, and she's so pissed,

594
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: and like she's been flying Pollocks around from Europe to America,

595
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 1: Europe to America, like for years, darling and putting him

596
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: in a gallery, and she gave in her gallery. At

597
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: one point, she gives up like selling work of all

598
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: other artists to just focus on Pollock because she's like

599
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: so absused, and then he like doesn't mention her at all,

600
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: except then when Pollock dies, his like agent or whatever

601
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: calls her and is like, you have to be the

602
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: one to tell his wife and so they can come through. Yeah,

603
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: And even though how fab is this? Like three days

604
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: before Jackson Pollock dies, his wife comes to Venice and

605
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: calls her up and he's like, Darling, where should I

606
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: stay in Venice? And she goes, darling, Venice is full

607
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: up with the position is full. There's not a room, like,

608
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: no Airbnb is here. Because she was so hurt and

609
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: she regrets, like and she was like selling and giving

610
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: away so many Pollocks and then of course the work

611
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: really became worth something. But she's also she's regrets it.

612
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: But also it seems like she's moved on in a way.

613
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, but I'm sure maybe deep

614
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: down it really does hurt her. I think it really does.

615
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: And also because she isn't you know, obviously she is

616
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: an heiress, but is probably like, wait, what the actual

617
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: fuck I gave away? Like so many paintings, hold them

618
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: for like ten thousand dollars. Um. Wait, So speaking of toxics, realists,

619
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: so I want to I want to talk about the scene.

620
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: One point, she's having an affair with Eve Tang tang

621
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: ye do ye oh tan guy. Yes, okay, that reminds

622
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: me of something else toxic you do yours. And and

623
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: she's spending this week where she knows the wife is

624
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: in Paris, and like she's also in Paris, and so

625
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: she's really trying to pick her cafes carefully so she

626
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: doesn't run into the wife. Say. She ends up going

627
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: to this cafe and of course even his wife are there,

628
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: and then she's there with her friend and then the

629
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: friend is like, oh, just go over and say hi,

630
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: and so she goes over and the wife throws a

631
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: fish at her like such a like full like I

632
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: don't know, there's like like lemon slices on the fish,

633
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: and it's just like she's in the heart of Bohemia

634
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: running in to the lover's lover and she has a

635
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: row with her, and I'm just like, and to throw

636
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: a fish at someone, to throw a fish at someone, well,

637
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: it made me. This was a little very me. Last

638
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: week and I was at a bar in the heart

639
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: of Bohemia and a painter walked in a certain painter

640
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: that my ex boyfriend may have left before. And it

641
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: was so just like, oh, dear Lord, like, however shall

642
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: this go down? And like a friend of mine was

643
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: just like, well, how are you standing here, darling? And

644
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: I was just like how am I? And I was like,

645
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: do I throw the fish? Do I go over and

646
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: throw a Martini in his face? Well, and here's another thing,

647
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: which is very very peggy. I was like, if I

648
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: throw a Martiny in his face on the Barton, is

649
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: something gonna hate me. I have a good relationship with

650
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 1: the bar man, and I certainly I won't be allowed

651
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: back in the bar. And I've caused a scene in

652
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: a row and everyone would be upset exactly who loses

653
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: there the bar? And then you can't go to one

654
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: of the best cafes in Bohemia that's actually so respectable

655
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: of you. Well, and this happened, and like Lawrence like

656
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: literally got arrested at one point for like throwing a

657
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: bottle at some guy that Peggy had had an affair

658
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: with had a cafe one partnas and then they couldn't

659
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: go back to their restaurant. So I was very just

660
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: kind of like, well, I need to kind of like

661
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: at least keep up appearances in Bohemia. I mean the

662
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: wife through the fish. But it's you know, I mean,

663
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: can you imagine that clean up, Darling. Well, if it

664
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: was just one solid fish, not pieces of flaky whitefish,

665
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a big glasking crab leg like covered

666
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: and girl like butter, I imagine it's like so much oil,

667
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: so much old that is so peggy. But it's like, right,

668
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: it's like I don't think Peggy would have done that

669
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: because it's like like she is a little bit mismanners

670
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: and so that's why you are the Peggy. And like,

671
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: I think it's good that you didn't throw the martini.

672
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: And again, also, Darling, we're in the Great Depression, or

673
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: the Great Depression is about to happen. That's a waste

674
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: of fourteen dollars. No, certainly wasn't gonna waste good throw

675
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: his martini at him, exactly. And you know, ultimately I

676
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: left with my head held high, wonderful. And there's no

677
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: greater victory, absolutely, no greater victory than leaving Bohemia with

678
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: your head still in the air. I'm going to be

679
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: able to go to every cafe you damn well, please Okay,

680
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: speaking Bohemia, I want to talk about just this little

681
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: fashion momentum of another one of her toxics real his

682
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: husband's Max Ernst. Oh and it's Marseilles stuff. Okay. Max

683
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: loved to wear fantastic clothes in Europe. Always wore a

684
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: black cape, which was very romantic. Considered him perfectly in Marseille. Once,

685
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: when I was buying a little sheepskin jacket, Max was

686
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: so jealous that I had to order one for him

687
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: as well. The furrier was very surprised, but he made it,

688
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: and when Max warred, he looked like a slav prince.

689
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: I also gave him my mother's long gown which made

690
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: him look very aristocratic, and it's like his Max Arenst

691
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: buy well. She describes a lot of the men she

692
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: likes as having like fabulous style in this way that

693
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: is kind of like fagollacious, but also like back then

694
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: men really dressed up. She was like Lawrence always wanted

695
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: to wear patterned pants, like he sounds like he's being

696
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: really really like New Gossip Girl, just always wearing like

697
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: high waisted, like war flared pants. And she was always

698
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: like Lawrence was the first man I've ever met who

699
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: didn't wear a hat, which was like insanely revolutionary of him. Right,

700
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: he's not like in a suit and a fedora. He's

701
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: in like hatchwork clad and I because I feel like

702
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: nowadays it's more bohemia to wear a hat, and it's

703
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: actually less bohemia to not wear a hat. A couple

704
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: other quotes. I really love she's talking about one of

705
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: her friends, Nellie Nellie van Doesburg. Nellie was my newest friends,

706
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: and I did not know her very well at this period,

707
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: about a year before she'd walked into my gallery and

708
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: given me a long lecture on who her husband had

709
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: been and who she was. I was not in the

710
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: least impressed. I thought she was funny. I allowed her,

711
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: little by little to force her way into my life.

712
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't like women very much and usually prefer to

713
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: be with homosexuals, if not with men. I really love

714
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: that she makes a distinction between homosexuals and bad because Darlin,

715
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: she's dead right, She's literally dead right, where she's just

716
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: like I'm not hanging out with like toxic Jackson Pollock painters,

717
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: like I'm hanging with homosexuals. But the next line is

718
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: women are so boring anyway, she always says. Anyway too,

719
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: She's like, and then my father died the Titanic. Anyway,

720
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: I bought seventeen paintings, so freaking iconic. Peggy, she's such

721
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: a casual faghag in this way where she's not actually

722
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: a faghag because she's not so like desperate to hang

723
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: out with gay men. She used the best kind of

724
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: fag kag because I'm sure there were like other society

725
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: women who were more like having one husband that was

726
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: an alcoholic and like beating them like after like a

727
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: gin feast, and then was like, well and I had

728
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: my like gaggle of like surrealist in society gays. Yeah,

729
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: she doesn't need to run to her gaggle after she

730
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: gets beat at at a gin down in Barcelona. She

731
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: just like has an occasional gay here and there, and

732
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: you can tell because the weight. She'll be like, oh

733
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: he was a pansy or just like, yeah, oh there

734
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: was there was a soft boy at this random village

735
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: we were living in for six months. It was dreadful.

736
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: It was the worst time in my life, but I've

737
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: never been happier, So I rather it's like she it

738
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: says she slept with over one thousand men, Darling, Yeah,

739
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, what's and what's your number again? Oh that's

740
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: from Patreon, babe. In the vip lounged we will reveal

741
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: Lili's number. Yeah, let's get a humor side ups and

742
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: I will reveal my number. I wonder if that number

743
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: means full penetration, oh of a thousand. I feel like no,

744
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: because I also feel like it's like was so opium

745
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: den and like people are falling asleep, and like it's

746
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: in a carriage maybe and like some on like a

747
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: cross atlantic flight ship. You know. I also but here's

748
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: the thing. I just I just feel like back then,

749
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: like sex was penetration or get out, like it was

750
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 1: all the way or nothing, like people weren't being so

751
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 1: like weird like side saddle hand jobs, like it wasn't

752
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: just like and then Darling, he rimmed me and we

753
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: fell asleep. Liked to see. I think Peggy is so

754
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: hand job like. I feel like she was in the

755
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: back of the cafe and she was like, and so

756
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: what I gave du Champ a hand job because I said,

757
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: let's get going. We have another gallery to go to. Well,

758
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: she never word hand job does not appeared in this book.

759
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: I really think that back then it was like you

760
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: pull up your petticoats, you have an eleventh second penetration

761
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: and you're just like, darl it was wonderful, and we

762
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: did it again an hour later at a different hotel. Okay,

763
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: can we get an extremely old person on the polls

764
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: vand jobs happen? Then we're their hand jobs in the thirties,

765
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: please sound off? Yes? Okay, well you are right, because

766
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: you know how like hello, like it's a history of

767
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: sex museum. We're like doctors fingered women to make them

768
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: come so they would like stop being hysterical because like

769
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: no woman had ever come before. That's like all the

770
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: born I watch Wait back to our like trippy anti

771
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: earnest stuff, I mean not earnest stuff surrealized us when

772
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: she she's mad at Max Ernst for never painting her,

773
00:41:54,680 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: which is rude, and he's always agreed, as someone who

774
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: has been amused several times, not being amused is the worst.

775
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: What's also the point of marrying like an alcoholic artist

776
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: if they're not going to write a song or paint you. Yeah.

777
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: She also says that she way prefers sculpture over painting,

778
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: which personally I disagree with. But that's I mean, that's

779
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 1: also a rich person thing to be so bust. Yeah,

780
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: it's like, well, yeah, I don't know, maybe right. It's

781
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: like if I I guess I am so cool ob

782
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: jarte of I love, maybe I am so okay. So

783
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: here goes when he finally paints her. And this honestly

784
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: seems like a weird, offensive painting. This doesn't seem flattering.

785
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: But one day when I went into his studio, I

786
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: had a great shock. There on his easel was a

787
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: little painting I had never seen before. In it was

788
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: portrayed a strange figure with the head of a horse.

789
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: It was Max's own head with the body of a

790
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: man dressed in shining armor. Facing this strange creature with

791
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: her hands between his legs. Was a portrait of me,

792
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: but not of me as Max had ever seen me.

793
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: It was my face at the age of eight. I

794
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: have photographed myself at this age, and lightness is unquestionable.

795
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: I burst into tears until Max he had at last

796
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: painted my portrait. He was rather surprised they'd never seen

797
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: the photos. Because my head was placed where it was,

798
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: and because it was between two spears. I named the

799
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: painting mystic marriage, and she loves this like twisted, and

800
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: it's like sounds like he's being like, I've actually never

801
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: seen you as a child, like I never saw her tvds.

802
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: Well then there's also Eve Tangui like does some surrealized

803
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: painting that just like looks like a broom like out

804
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: of coming out of a vase or whatever. And she's

805
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: just like it looks like me, please call it me.

806
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: And he was like, okay, fine, this is a portrait

807
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: of a Peggy Googenheim. Like I feel like maybe, I

808
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: mean this gets back to her hotness where it's a

809
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: little bit just like she's not really hot, but right,

810
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: she is X factor. She's got X factor, So I

811
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: feel like that's why like everyone's banging her, but like

812
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: no one's painting her. I mean I didn't want to

813
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: say it, but yeah, absolutely that's true. And I think

814
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: I think version of always surprised me never a bribe,

815
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: you know, drop my kindle. Um. We should probably get

816
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: into segment stalling, as I have a gallery show to

817
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: get to. I have to run to an opening. Let's

818
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: do segments an exhibition of contemporary temporary segments. Well we're close,

819
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: all right, what does she wear, how does she eat?

820
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: What does she live? How does she live? How does wanderve?

821
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: What does she wear? I mean she wears the fashions

822
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: of the times, right, but she's wearing these like long addresses. Um.

823
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: But then this part was amazing. Didn't fabric Swalton fabrics?

824
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: And she's always get as a getting things in her travels,

825
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. She's getting a gorgeous sheepskin

826
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: fur from a furier Marseille. But then she's going to

827
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: Arabia and is like getting there. So there's a Gaki show.

828
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: She talks about what my favorite heard when she talks

829
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: about shop eating Cairo, how it takes weeks to buy

830
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: something because you're haggling with the merchants for literally weeks

831
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: on and you and you have to play it so

832
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: cool and like go back to the merchant the next

833
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: day and just be like, Darlina absolutely shan't pay you

834
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: six hundred Greek franks for this earring and he's like, no,

835
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: come back, come back, come back. And then the next

836
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: day she's like, fine, I will pay this, okay. So

837
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: she is up southed with earrings and at one point

838
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: she has a big gala, she wears one earring by

839
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: one surrealist maker and then another like earring by like

840
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: a Cubist or something like that, and then she's like,

841
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: and that was to signal to everyone that I was

842
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: bipartisan between the surrealists and the abstract expressionists or wow,

843
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: to imagine that your earring choice could rock a gala

844
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, to sort of be the she was

845
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: the Switzerlton if you were, oh of the opening. So

846
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: in a way, she is like funky Cambridge mom earrings

847
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: if she's wearing these like chunky wooden like surrealist earrings

848
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: about like embellishment, you know. And I think this was

849
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: like true for just like rich women for a very

850
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: very long time. I would say, until like up until

851
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: Jill Sander, up until like you know, until Eileen Fisher,

852
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: up until like the influence of more Japanese design minimalists

853
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: in women's wear and Western women's wear. Like I would say,

854
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: like the tradition has always been like you know, brocade

855
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: and embroidery and like runes furs and like a mix

856
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: of a lot of like definitely jewelry from like North

857
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: Africa and Arabia, and like she loves like Southwestern jewelry

858
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: and South American jewelry and like accessories from everywhere, right,

859
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: silks from India, silks from Japan. It's like the style

860
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: of a woman who travels absolutely and I and I

861
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: and like and you know, there's still women to this

862
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: day if you go to the you know, the met

863
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: opera whatever, are still like swathed and right. So it's like,

864
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: well and then someone's like, oh, where'd you get that?

865
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, well, me and Max we took

866
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: a cross t yes, if I may, okay. So one

867
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: thing that I've always noticed, like which women going in

868
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: opera are always a little bit like want to wear

869
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: something like a little bit Asian in this way where

870
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: it like doesn't have like buttons on the front or something,

871
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: or like you know some some like reference to a

872
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: traditional cheap power like some sort of kimono like dress.

873
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: I feel like it's very popular at like an expensive

874
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: like huge scarf. Yeah, East, I feel like she is

875
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: maybe not as that, and she's a little bit more

876
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: just like Chanel, she's a little more cinched, cinched flopper.

877
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: I think like those come off in the earrings. Else

878
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: feel like she is. I know, it's the time she

879
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: is wearing like longer pieces. She's wearing longer pieces. She's

880
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: also very custom. Everything feels custom. Everything is like a maker,

881
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: Like I went to a Furrier like and like she

882
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: always talk about Lawrence would like bring very unique fabrics

883
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: to these men's wear designers and Savo Row and they

884
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: would be shocked. They'd be like, what where did you

885
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: get that man wants to make pants out of this

886
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: clown material out of some like shiny clown fabric and

887
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: like when the what do you call it? When? Then

888
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: her Merseies Furrier was also shocked that like her other husband,

889
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: Max Uns, wanted to wear a vest. So it's like

890
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: as feel like her husbands are inspired by her, which

891
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: is more style of the day, and her husbands look

892
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: funkier because they're doing it in a men's wear away

893
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: and people are a little more shocked. Multiple husband, she says,

894
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: like thought that she was like had bad style, so

895
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: she'd be like Laurence always thought that, like I didn't

896
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: dress up enough and I was like a total slab

897
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: and I need to like wear more clothing, and like

898
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: also on homes not that too, and like all these

899
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: guys are just like literally like kick it up a

900
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: notch pecky. Here's the thing, because I actually don't think

901
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: she was being flapper dress. Like I feel like she

902
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: was wearing like this big, longer dress and weird wooden earrings,

903
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then they were like, oh,

904
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: there's all these other hotties were flappers, John I believe.

905
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: I mean it was Lawrence made her get a flapper

906
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: dress made by this French designer that was like one

907
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: of the hottest setters in Paris in the twenties when

908
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: they used to throw parties for all of Bohemia. I

909
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: was like, you actually need to go get like this,

910
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: Like he basically was just like you have to get

911
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: your ass to Rachel Komy right now to get this

912
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: dress if we're gonna entertain at my house, Like, I

913
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: don't want to see you not in the Komi of

914
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: the day. So I guess she is. She's fashioned, but

915
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: she is not. She's of the time, but she's not

916
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,479
Speaker 1: about it right. And there's he like he's probably seeing

917
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: all these like you were conventionally attractive girls. Here's the

918
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: more serious question. Part of me feels like she would

919
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: find deplorable, like the yoga pant style of today, she'd

920
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, people simply don't get dressed anymore. I

921
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: don't know. But but then I'm like, maybe she would

922
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: be so like cashmere sweatpants. I think, yes, she would

923
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: like find like yoga pants, like she wouldn't wear that

924
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: to a gallery. But I feel like she would be

925
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: like living in an insane cashmere sweatpants set, you know.

926
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: Or would she still just be more like these are

927
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: my custom Tibetan silk pants and just be more Cambridge mom,

928
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: yeah ladder or like so Issy Miaki, like full head

929
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: to toe Issy gallery opening, I'm a fabulous woman of

930
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: a certain age. Yeah, I feel like she'd be in

931
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: I think it's honestly a combo. Like she would have

932
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: a pair of like maybe just like a tan cashmere

933
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: pant that she would travel in. But then she'd be

934
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: walking around the house in her like Tibetan silks that

935
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: Pegheen had bought her. She had them into pants, and

936
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: then it'd be like Issy pleaded, like my daughter bought

937
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: me these pants on her honeymoon. She's dead now, But okay,

938
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: what does she eat? What does she eat? I don't

939
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: know if she like he never mentions food, she does

940
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: talk several times where she was like, I'd lost so

941
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: much weight and everyone thought I was wasting away. I

942
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: want to say, there's a time where she's like talking

943
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 1: about a veal. Though there's time when she talks about

944
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 1: how she ate nothing but lamb because like the cooks

945
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: forced her to eat lamb, and then she was like, then,

946
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: no gardener Jonathan raised this pig and they absolutely adored

947
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: this pig and it was terrible to have to eat

948
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: it spaking, and then she's like she talks about how

949
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: they're like, so we killed this one of our best friends,

950
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: this poor little pig, but then all the meat turned

951
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: green on the train to Paris. Okay, so it's just like, okay,

952
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: so you killed your like families family pig and then

953
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: didn't even eat the meat. I feel like there's a

954
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: lot of time where she references not eating. Yeah. I

955
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: think honestly, it's like more like she is like being

956
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: fabulous and like she's like, is definitely drinking. But I

957
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: also think these things she's doing where she's like is

958
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: being more celebrity and like drinking less than others because

959
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: she's seeing all these guys were so wasted and it's

960
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: like your memory is actually popping. I feel like you're

961
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: having more of a like vermouth with soda, slow sipping

962
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: the cosmo over the course of three hours, as Duchamp

963
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: is just like black out. And then there's like a

964
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: huge cassoulet and there's a fish and she's like having

965
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: a bite of it, like she would definitely be more

966
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: like vegetarian or like I don't need red meat, like

967
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: I think she would be vegetarian in this day she's

968
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: but she's more like even just diddying and like forgetting

969
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: to eat entirely. Yeah, like it's there and she's like, oh,

970
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: the spread was wonderful. Figs lamb fish and that is

971
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: just kind of talking. Yeah, she's talking. She's holding courts,

972
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: she's having one bite of a of a pigeon cassulet done.

973
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: How does she live darling fabulously as possible, taking in everything.

974
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean, as we said, it's like it is. I

975
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: feel like at times it's more fabulous than others, and

976
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: sometimes maybe it does get a little great gardens with

977
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: all of her like wooden dolls and stories, so many

978
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: dolls in storage. I like the part when she's living

979
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: in the cottage that Gramman has renovated generously that they're

980
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: living in England, and she describes it as being terribly cold,

981
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: except for the one room with a stove so long

982
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: she can sit inside, and it's like this old fashioned cottage.

983
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: And she's like, at one point he renovated it, but

984
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: like somehow like renovated it so that she couldn't get

985
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: her like massive costume chest out. And I'm just picturing

986
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 1: this like massive, like oh god, that's very cold, plated,

987
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: longo huge Mickey Blanco like in college, like have this

988
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: huge steam trunk like like that, but like five times bigger,

989
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: and it's full of so many scarves and flapper hats

990
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: and like headbands, and her daughters and like her ex's

991
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: new wife's daughter are playing dress up with it. But

992
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: it's just so large. Like it's also Bethany in this

993
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: way where it's like she just has this weird one

994
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: bedroom and like the up breist side and like with

995
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: so much costume chest and but it's like she's always

996
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: waiting for the bigger, fabulous house, but is most of

997
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: her time in some other place that's weird and smaller.

998
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: She's in a weirdo okay, because she's constantly moving is

999
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: a thing. She's always in some location for eight months,

1000
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: and like half the time she's in a house that

1001
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: she's like rented from a friend. She's setting it up

1002
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: with all her furniture that she's taken out of storage

1003
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: that was in like smuggled and customs and it's like

1004
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: waiting for her and andorra. So it's like I think,

1005
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: I feel like it's actually quite chaotic. And the way

1006
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: she lives is just like there are tons of steamer

1007
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: trunks and boxes and clothes being unloaded. And there's a

1008
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: point later and I think that speaks to this in

1009
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: the book when she's talking about her Venetian because she

1010
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: lives in Benice first of her life. That's where her

1011
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: collection is. Where she talks about the couches being covered

1012
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: in plastic, which is so actually like the house Britney

1013
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: Murphy died in, and it's like actually kind of creepy

1014
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: and fully hoarder. Also is it very rich? This is

1015
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: a rich person to do against small dog rich person

1016
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: thing to do where they have so much staff and

1017
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: so much going on that like the little dogs are

1018
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: like shitting and pissing inside and like they're not going

1019
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: for a formal walk, yeah, and it's just like there

1020
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: are ship lounges that are getting like covered by lahst

1021
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: terry or shit. I know. So it's like so I

1022
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: basically I feel like we're saying that she's very not

1023
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: like the way that we think of like say a

1024
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: Miami collector today who I feel like, has such a

1025
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: modare and design house that's like so clean and like

1026
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: maybe has chargers everywhere in the dining room, but like

1027
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: mostically it's just like empty. I think it's like dark,

1028
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: and it's like tons of paintings, tons of furs, tons

1029
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: of silks. It's not so creepy in this way, but like, yeah,

1030
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: she could use Half of the rooms are like two

1031
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: single beds pushed together like she's sharing. She's sharing a

1032
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 1: bed for a week with like her cousin sister's new husband,

1033
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: and like the kids always walking in on them. And

1034
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: then sometimes she'll be like time at her Venetian house

1035
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, it was so Unvenetian of me

1036
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: to do that. But she loves a garden. Yeah, she

1037
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: had this gorgeous garden. So I think some parts of

1038
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: the house are like gorgeously manicured. I do like when

1039
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: she talks, and she is being so aware and so

1040
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: woke at the beginning when she's talking about how the

1041
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: servants quarters at her childhood home was like gross, and

1042
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: she's been like, I went up there was literally terribly

1043
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: cramped and crowded, and like the lighting was awful, and

1044
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: just like they had to climb over like so many

1045
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: ladders to get into their bedrooms. I felt terrible. No,

1046
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: And that's why she trains her gondoliers to be art handlers, right,

1047
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: because she wants them to have through good baths and

1048
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: that career, darling, which brings us two who are you

1049
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: in the book? Are you in the book? I mean

1050
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: the ways in which you're Peggy. It's madness, I know,

1051
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: but I really do hope that I am. I mean

1052
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: I aspire to be her more. Keep on reading this,

1053
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: keep on being more Peggy, pushed to be your own Peggy.

1054
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah. Sometimes, you know, I have always fears,

1055
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: Oh God, I'm not living enough, I'm not going out

1056
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: there enough. I'm not just saying fuck it, and you know,

1057
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: and just like and just having the affair, right, I'm

1058
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: too afraid, But you really just have to go forth

1059
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: and have the affair. It's mostly a fair base is

1060
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: because she's also is like solving sometimes in a room

1061
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: that like her like trippy male pain her boyfriend isn't

1062
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: painting her, and it's just like, well, yeah, that's sad. Yeah.

1063
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: But sometimes then she's like also at a furrier or

1064
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: that it's also feel the pain and feel the sadness

1065
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: and then like go to the dentist and spend the

1066
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: day going to the dent Yeah. I also do wish

1067
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: that I just had a little bit my inheritance was

1068
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: a little bit larger, But I mean the same in

1069
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: a sense where I just like truly for polite decades

1070
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: out on, never even had to consider making an incoming.

1071
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: There was just always so much more money available and

1072
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: just always so many more trusts, and I could always

1073
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: just be like and I'm supporting like ten different artists

1074
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: while also opendy museums. But at the same time she

1075
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: here's what's crazy. It is like she does kind off

1076
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: I feel like go broke sometimes and she is always

1077
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: like bargaining, Like she's like my financial art advisor told

1078
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: me to like bargain this painting for this because I

1079
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: was like cash poor. So she is a lot of

1080
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: the times cash poor. But then it's like one of

1081
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: her many uncles just like move some of the trust

1082
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: around and then she's fine. Yeah. She also is being

1083
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: like fake arress where she's like, I literally have no cash,

1084
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: which is also so you when you don't go to

1085
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: the ATM and you're like, wait, I have no cash

1086
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: cash right now? Well, because her the whole thing is

1087
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: that like her father like didn't get as much money

1088
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: as the uncles in like a big upset, right because

1089
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: he hadn't like signed over as well before he went

1090
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: on the Titanic or something. Yeah, and then at the

1091
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: end of the book she was like and that was

1092
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 1: the only time ever she does like some art deal

1093
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: that I didn't regret like my dad losing his fortune.

1094
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: So I think for her entire life she was still

1095
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: just like what the fuck my cousin. My cousin's way

1096
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: richer than me, yes, and like she is regretting like

1097
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: but even richer. I think that she wouldn't have had

1098
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: the motivation to just like be in Zamia and like

1099
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: start so many galleries, and she would have just been

1100
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: too comfortable. It's all about being a middle heiress, yes,

1101
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: which is why you should be happy with your inheritance

1102
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: because you're a middle heiress. I was also worried that

1103
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: I was like John Honton this way where I'm like,

1104
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, I've had writer's block for five years

1105
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: and then I die in my surgery and you're staring

1106
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: at the painting and I'm staring at the painting, and

1107
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: I've just like, and I've never written my magnum opus,

1108
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: and now I'm dad, well, don't go under anesthesia, and

1109
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: before I've written, Okay. I mean I feel like parts

1110
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: of me are also Peggy, Like I feel like I

1111
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: am holding court in Bohemia. Absolutely. I feel like I'm

1112
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 1: a loss of a gallery girl. Yeah, I guess I'm

1113
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: like I'm a mix between Peggy and Montreal. Because he

1114
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: once asks her at sixty six where the nightclub is, I'm, honey,

1115
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: at sixty you're still gonna be dancing, still going darling. Um.

1116
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you're also Peggy because you are a hoarder.

1117
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: In this way, you're Peggy, but you're also John Holmes

1118
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: for a second, which I'm also worried that I am.

1119
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: Because they loved records, and Grandma built in their English

1120
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: cottage a whole section for all her record collection. Oh,

1121
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: and he's being like built in gorgeous, built in. No. No,

1122
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm pegging this way also because I think, right my

1123
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: style is going to be like, well, I went to

1124
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: the Southwest and now I'm a cowboy. I think I'm

1125
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: more peggy in my affairs, but you're more peggy and

1126
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: like you're collectoring because it's like I'm a little bit

1127
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,959
Speaker 1: more minimalist and you're a little bit more like all

1128
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: the dolls, all the vintage signs, all the records, just

1129
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: like in your house is a museum. Yeah, and I'm

1130
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: still like finding we're drawing in a thrift store, being like, okay,

1131
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: outside of art, I'm collecting. Okay, done, And between the

1132
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: two of us we make one Peggy Googenheim at four

1133
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: point zero man skate balls. I absolutely give this book

1134
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 1: ten out of ten Miro Gorgeous paintings that I got

1135
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: for a steel Darling Darling, I give my abridged book

1136
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: to ten out of ten. Joseph Cornell Conceptual Boxes, which

1137
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: we didn't even talk about how that was like such

1138
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: an assignment for me at my conceptual high high school

1139
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: where we like had to make box art inspired by

1140
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: Joseph Cornell. It was like you had to hide a secret. Right,

1141
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: it was like one we had to have a secret,

1142
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: but another one was like, no, you had to create

1143
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: a box. So you're it's kind of like a diama,

1144
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: but it's a little more like box art. It's a

1145
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: whole thing, okay, inventing boxes. Um. I would, I would

1146
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: just to our readers, if you readers, to our listeners,

1147
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: if you want to listen to this book, if you

1148
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: want to read this book, please read out of this Century,

1149
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: the non abridged version, like the book should be four

1150
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: hundred pages because it is a lot juicier than the

1151
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: like quietly abridged version. All right, absolutely read this book.

1152
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: Um you guys, thank you so much for listening to

1153
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: another amazing episode of CBC The Pond. We encourage you

1154
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,160
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1155
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,880
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1156
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: Biden's art career and his new opening at a gallery

1157
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Speaker 1: and soho, and we are also discussing the new hit

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1161
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Speaker 1: week we will be reading Yeah, let's get a little

1164
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: more manly. Um. We're doing awesome actor and ceramicist Seth

1165
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: Rogen's book, Your book. Fuck Yeah, There's something I love

1166
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: more than weed men and hanging out and those are

1167
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: what I associate with Seth Rogen. So light up, but

1168
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: dooby and we'll see you in the bomb room. It's

1169
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: a great transition from like surrealist mail art to like

1170
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: the Ultimate fucking duty, the ultimate Surrealist Seth Rogen. All right,

1171
01:03:49,560 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: Best Best Celebrity Book Club is presented by Prolog Projects.

1172
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: We could never agree on a contract and it killed

1173
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,439
Speaker 1: me to this day. The show was produced by Meg

1174
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: Vanamee who had it, who had large shoulders and a

1175
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: tiny waist, and all the men of Daughterood. It made

1176
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: me terribly jealous, with editorial support from Leon Napok, who

1177
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: was about seven feet tall and had a bird like nose,

1178
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: and of course all the women were mad about him too.

1179
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: For some reason, I was never attracted to him, and

1180
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: it killed him. Andrew Parsons, with whom I went to

1181
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: bed with several times during the war. It was a

1182
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: war thing, darling, and that was that. And of course Madeline,

1183
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: Captain Madeline was always terribly jealous of my relationship with Leon.

1184
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: I think it killed her that he saw me as

1185
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: worldly and intellectual, and he thought she was a simple

1186
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: girl from Cannes. A production managers perceive Helen another simple

1187
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: girl from cann although I must say her Italian was

1188
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: better than mine. Original theme song by Stephen Philip's hors

1189
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: It was in fact the only song he ever wrote,

1190
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: and he always managed to bring it up at parties.

1191
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: Artwork by Teddy Blanks at Chips n Y. I was

1192
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: an early collector of his, and I must say I

1193
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,919
Speaker 1: believed in him when no one else did. Of course,

1194
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: then years later he was the talk of the town

1195
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: before he killed himself in nineteen forty two.