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Speaker 1: Well, good evening, everyone, Welcome to Stinchfield. Sadly, I knew

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Speaker 1: would have to start a show guys, telling you a

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Speaker 1: lunatic assassinated one of my friends, well known conservative friends,

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Speaker 1: simply for being a voice of reason, simply for defending American.

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Speaker 2: Values and reason.

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Speaker 1: Today they shot Charlie Cook, murdered him in front of

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Speaker 1: thousands of college students, College students he dedicated a life

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Speaker 1: of saving from leftist indoctrination. It could have been Dan Bongino,

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Speaker 2: Or even Steve.

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Speaker 1: It could have been me or any of the other

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Speaker 1: hosts here on RAB. But today it was Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: Today it was Kirk. Yesterday it was President Trump. Who's tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: I've sat on stage with Charlie Kirk too many times

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Speaker 2: I pray for all of them.

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Speaker 1: So it's no secret that Charlie died today doing what

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Speaker 3: Uh So, do you know how many transgender Americans have

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Speaker 3: fitmasshooters over the last ten years.

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Speaker 4: Too many.

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Speaker 2: Moments later they would take his life.

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Speaker 1: See he was there debating young confused students at Utah

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Speaker 2: That is until that one Loane shot ran out.

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Speaker 1: The moment I saw the video, I knew that he

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Speaker 1: enraged really left wing Marxist parading as pundits. Just as

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Speaker 1: early as Yester Say vilified Charlie as a racist, all

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Speaker 1: but egging on would be shooters to take him out,

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Speaker 1: CNN got their wish listen to me, and listen to

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Speaker 1: me carefully. Democrats no longer get to claim Republicans are

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Speaker 1: the violent ones. The facts just do not support that

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Speaker 1: fake news bull crap anymore. Today's Democrat Party is the

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Speaker 1: party of violence, and every single American who calls himself

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Speaker 1: the radicals who encourage these assassins. The reality is, sometimes

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Speaker 1: I think they want a civil war. Civil war, folks,

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Speaker 1: is the last thing I want. But if it ever comes,

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Speaker 1: God bless them all. I've been trained not to ever

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Speaker 2: So here it goes. I'm mad, folks, and I'm angry, and.

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Speaker 1: I hope they take notice. They don't stand a chance

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Speaker 1: against us. So here's the real deal. Let's return this

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Speaker 1: nation to peaceful discourse. Do you hear me, Democrats, and

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Speaker 1: keep on track making America great again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, mister President, and thank you Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: Doing that is exactly what Charlie Kirk would have wanted. Now,

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Speaker 1: I actually believe this may go far deeper than just

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Speaker 2: Watch this video send to me.

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Speaker 5: Get right up, yeah, place, you would think that, so

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Speaker 5: are there's somebody on the roof right there just saying

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Speaker 1: It's hard to see, but if you look real closely,

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Speaker 2: Then to make me lose even more hope in democrats

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Speaker 1: Our friend Lauren Bobert, the Republican congresswoman from Colorado, asked

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Speaker 1: No, No, you're not going to say prayers for Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was a longtime friend of mine, as he

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Speaker 2: Been covering this all day today.

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Speaker 1: John, in many respects, I apologize to ask you to

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Speaker 7: Thank you. I'm always grateful to be on your show. Grint,

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Speaker 7: you do such a great job. We're all got a

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Speaker 7: But we have a part of the country today that

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Speaker 7: thirty one year old dad who is just a good

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Speaker 7: now justifiable. How in God's name that our school system

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Speaker 7: not gonna tolerate this anywhere. If you hate America, don't

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Speaker 2: Stop, Yeah, John, we sure do.

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Speaker 1: And as I think about what happened, here, and I

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Speaker 1: They went after Charlie's one of the loudest, most powerful voices,

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Speaker 2: This is their goal.

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Speaker 1: If they can't silence President Trump by killing them, they

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Speaker 2: Sorry John, then though, then they.

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Speaker 1: Last question for you, John, and I'm just as proud

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, if anybody can do this kind of reporting,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on tonight, and God bless you too. John.

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Speaker 2: About this cut nineteen.

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Speaker 8: And we have got to stop the violence that we

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Speaker 8: political violence. And Senator Kennedy is exactly correct. The second

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Speaker 1: Put very very well there now. There were literally thousands

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Speaker 1: His name is Phil Lyman. He's been on the program before. Phil,

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Speaker 4: Hey Grant, it's good to see you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you doing this on such short notice.

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Speaker 9: Then there was then that it was a hate you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when I saw and I'm not showing

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Speaker 2: I'm glad they are in custody. That is a good thing.

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Speaker 9: Well, so I ran down, I ran back down, to

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Speaker 2: And so the response was very big, and there was.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just wanted to say something about Charlie.

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Speaker 1: I've known him for probably a decade. We didn't always

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful for him for that.

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Speaker 1: I want to show you this clip number sixteen of

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Speaker 2: It was so important to him and saving America.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say, you need to understand the biblical

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Speaker 1: Well, it's so true, and I'm struck by those words

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Speaker 1: She knew Charlie as well. Jen, You and I did

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Speaker 10: I am still kind of in shock. I am sad,

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Speaker 10: I am angry, I'm disgusted. You know what Charlie Kirk was,

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Speaker 10: and we knew very well. I mean, actually, the funny story, Grant,

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Speaker 10: He was a happy warrior who was a husband, who

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Speaker 10: He was very smart, whip smart, of course, and he

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Speaker 10: He would actually have a civil conversation, and for that

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Speaker 1: first a terrific friend of mine, just a fabulous guy

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Speaker 1: you and getting to work with you today is one

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Speaker 1: of the first days. I'll tell you, I've been mostly

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Speaker 1: at a loss for words.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to say anymore.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and anger has basically taken over my emotions

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Speaker 1: here and it's been really, really difficult.

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Speaker 2: So I'm grateful you're able to come on.

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Speaker 1: You know, you talked about the left, and this is

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Speaker 1: what makes me so angry real quick, if you can

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Speaker 1: play MSNB sees Katie Turr instead of just taking a

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Speaker 1: step back for a moment.

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Speaker 2: This is how they talk about Charlie Kirk on the

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Speaker 2: day he died.

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Speaker 10: Charlie Kirk is a divisive figure, polarizing, lightning rob whatever

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Speaker 10: term you.

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Speaker 2: Want to use.

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Speaker 1: Why Well, he's one of maga's most prominent voices online.

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Speaker 4: He hosts in your daily podcast.

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Speaker 2: Divisive, Polarizing.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times headline called him a right wing activist,

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Speaker 1: right wing and it can't be a conservative influencer.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is how polarized we are as a nation.

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Speaker 12: Jen.

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Speaker 1: Something has got to change otherwise, Charlie Kirk is not

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Speaker 1: going to be the last.

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Speaker 2: They are going to come for more of us, I

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Speaker 2: promise you, and it's not going to end. Well.

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Speaker 10: A story you may not have heard yet is that

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Speaker 10: the Reagan Library, which is just up the street, up

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Speaker 10: the road from our radio ranch herey in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 10: they canceled Ben Shapiro's event tonight. I don't know if

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Speaker 10: it was Ben. I know that he was friends with

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Speaker 10: Charlie Kirk. If there was a security risk, I mean,

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Speaker 10: this is terrorism at its core. The goal of the

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Speaker 10: left is to try to shut down strong conservative voices.

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Speaker 10: And so today I say to you, do not be quiet,

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Speaker 10: don't be afraid, continue the legacy of Charlie Kirk, don't

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Speaker 10: let his death be in vain, and let us continue

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Speaker 10: to speak the truth and continue to fight. And that's

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Speaker 10: the only thing we can do to honor him. I

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Speaker 10: was talking to Michael Reagan today and he said, you know,

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Speaker 10: this is going to be our generation's Robert Kennedy, and

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Speaker 10: I think he's right, accept more powerful perhaps amen to that.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm sure it's out of Ben Shapiro's hands. Of course,

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Speaker 1: no way you'd get me to cancel an event, because

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Speaker 1: that means they silenced us, that means they won.

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Speaker 2: And so it's a tragedy that they canceled that event.

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Speaker 1: They should have gone on with it, in my humble opinion,

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Speaker 1: and added more security and do whatever they could do

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Speaker 1: to secure it. But this was the very day where

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Speaker 1: we need to show them that we will not be silenced.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Horn, thank you. As always, I will talk to

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Speaker 1: you and see you in the morning on AMA seventy

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Speaker 1: out in Los Angeles nine to twelve Eastern time. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on Rumble besides the radio six to

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Speaker 1: nine in LA.

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Speaker 2: All right, we are keeping an eye on this.

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Speaker 1: We'll hear an FBI agent's perspective on how the investigation

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Speaker 1: will move forward. Now, well, folks, we continue to cover

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Speaker 1: the death of my friend Charlie Kirk. He was a colleague,

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Speaker 1: and he was a special guy. And truthfully, this man

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Speaker 1: was an American hero. I'm murdered by an assassin, quite

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Speaker 1: possibly on a rooftop. It looks like there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of evidence pointing in that direction. And so if this

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Speaker 1: is the case, I believe this may go far further

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Speaker 1: than just some deranged leftist lunatic. This could have been

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Speaker 1: plotted and planned out. I've got the deep State I

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Speaker 1: want investigated. I've got CIA ties I want investigated. I've

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Speaker 1: got Chinese CCP ties that i want investigated. All of

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Speaker 1: these things are in my mind. If I'm an investigator,

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Speaker 1: no one is ruled out.

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Speaker 2: As a suspect until I can rule them out. Do

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Speaker 2: you hear me.

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Speaker 1: No one, no entity, no foreign enemy, no leftist lunatic.

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Speaker 1: They are all in my circle until we can rule

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Speaker 1: each one out one by one. This was the video

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Speaker 1: that I had gotten just moments before the show of

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Speaker 1: someone spotting someone on a roof.

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Speaker 2: Let's roll that, get right up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you think you'd already be in place.

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Speaker 6: You would think that. So there's somebody on the roof

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Speaker 6: for there, just saying he just ran from all over

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Speaker 6: my finger from over there, ran in and as are there, just.

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Speaker 1: Saying it's not an easy roof to get on. You

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Speaker 1: don't use a step ladder like they did in Butler, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: So where does the FBI go from here? They say

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Speaker 1: they have a suspect in custody. That's a good thing

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Speaker 1: I want to bring in now to discuss. Former FBI

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Speaker 1: Special agent and counter terrorism expert John Guandolo is with us.

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Speaker 2: John, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 4: Thanks very much, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, John, I know it's early, and I know

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Speaker 1: speculation is never great, But what do you make of

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Speaker 1: this from an FBI perspective, from an investigatory perspective?

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Speaker 2: Where do you go from here?

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Speaker 13: Well, so there are you know, basic investigative techniques that

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Speaker 13: are going to be followed, and the investigators on the

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Speaker 13: ground are obviously going to be canvassing for witnesses, canvassing

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Speaker 13: all the videos and all that to nail down the suspect.

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Speaker 13: But if I might, I'd like to back out a

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Speaker 13: little bit and say, my concern is what it's been

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Speaker 13: for a long long time?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 13: In the FBI and certainly in state and local law enforcement,

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Speaker 13: there is no understanding of how to put an event

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Speaker 13: like this into the broader war that America is engaged in.

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Speaker 13: And that makes the investigative process very difficult because things

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Speaker 13: that would be reasonable facts that go towards reasonable suspicion

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Speaker 13: and probable cause are not even being considered, and avenues

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Speaker 13: are not being pursued because of the lack of understanding.

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Speaker 13: And if I might, just for thirty seconds, take a

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Speaker 13: dig down a little bit. America is engaged in a

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Speaker 13: real war, and we use all kinds of things to

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Speaker 13: words and phrase ues to define it. But there is

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Speaker 13: an identifiable communist movement and an identifiable Islamic movement that

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Speaker 13: are working at the ground level across the United States.

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Speaker 13: Now this is going on elsewhere, like in Europe as

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Speaker 13: well well. But we know who these entities are, we

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Speaker 13: know who the organizations are, we know the way they

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Speaker 13: do propaganda, the way they communicate, And I just put

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Speaker 13: something out a few days ago on social media that

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Speaker 13: this month right now, a huge number of communists and

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Speaker 13: Jahadi organizations are hosting almost every day during September strategic

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Speaker 13: meetings to talk about how and when to go kinetic,

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Speaker 13: like mass operations inside the United States. And these are

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Speaker 13: the kinds of things that precede those things. And the

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Speaker 13: shooting at the Minneapolis Catholic School is also potentially one

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Speaker 13: of those cascading events. But if you don't know any

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Speaker 13: of that, and you don't understand these movements and the

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Speaker 13: organizations that are part of these identifiable movements as a

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Speaker 13: matter of fact and evidence, then this is just some

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Speaker 13: guy who's a quote unquote conservative, you know, hock gets

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Speaker 13: shot on a college campus and it's only a murder

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Speaker 13: investigation and it ends there. So the things you brought

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Speaker 13: up at the beginning that might actually have a play

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Speaker 13: in this, we don't even look there because we have

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Speaker 13: no idea what this is.

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Speaker 1: All right, Certainly the FBI has gone one direction. Cash

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Speaker 1: Betel and Dan Bongino trying to bring it back. They

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Speaker 1: focused on right wing extremism as the greatest threat to

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Speaker 1: this nation, which was a ridiculous thing to focus on,

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Speaker 1: took up a lot of agents' time.

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Speaker 2: So I believe that if you were to kill someone like.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, a possible motivation would be if you were

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Speaker 1: an Islamic terrorist.

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Speaker 2: To sow chaos in the United States.

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Speaker 1: That we see what happened on the House floor when

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Speaker 1: Lauren Bobert asked for prayers for Charlie Kirk, and you

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Speaker 1: got Democrats booying and saying no. People on the street

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Speaker 1: are at their offices arguing with each other over over

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Speaker 1: something like this. Do they want to spark a civil

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Speaker 1: war for us, whether it's Jihattist, whether it's the Communist

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Speaker 1: Party of China? Could that be a possibility here? It

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Speaker 1: sounds to me like what you're telling me is the

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Speaker 1: answer is yes.

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Speaker 13: No, The answer is absolutely yes. The communists. I mean,

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Speaker 13: we look at you know, just rewind five years. I've

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Speaker 13: run into a lot of people smart I would call them,

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Speaker 13: patriotic people that are not aware. BLM was created by

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Speaker 13: the largest Chinese communist front group in the United States.

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Speaker 13: It never was anything but that. And these other organizations,

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Speaker 13: these other communist organizations like Answer and Code, Pink and

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Speaker 13: Unity of Fields of a hamas organization that works directly

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Speaker 13: with these national communist groups, the DSA Communist Party, USA RevCom.

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Speaker 13: I mean, it's endless and at the ground level they're

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Speaker 13: working together. Yes, I guarantee you, Charlie Kirk, much like

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Speaker 13: the operation of Pennsylvania. These are not quote unquote Loan Woulves.

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Speaker 13: These are coordinated operations. We know that at the international level,

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Speaker 13: these things are being coordinated to the point in both

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Speaker 13: of these movements.

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Speaker 4: Let me put it this way for your audience.

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Speaker 13: It might even be the simplest way. Is what's going

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Speaker 13: on in the United States are hostile foreign powers like China,

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Speaker 13: like Iran, like Saudi Arabia, Cutter, Pakistan, Turkey are using

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Speaker 13: these networks that they control in the United States to

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Speaker 13: run these operations. So we keep treating this like it's

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Speaker 13: a one off, like these are wing nuts, like Democrats

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Speaker 13: are just crazy and they're incompetent.

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Speaker 2: They're not.

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Speaker 13: They're very well organized, and the Democrat leadership is the

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Speaker 13: leading edge of this communist movement. So the fact that

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Speaker 13: this is not merely.

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Speaker 4: Pol This is a war.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I take salas in the Cash Battel is

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Speaker 1: at the helm. If anybody knows that this could be

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Speaker 1: a possibility, Cash Battel and Dan Bongino do. You may

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Speaker 1: have some other agents in there that are oblivious to

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Speaker 1: it all, but those two guys do know that, and

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Speaker 1: I hope they listen to what you're saying, because I

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Speaker 1: do think this is really all a strong possibility that

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Speaker 1: needs to be vetted out. John Guandola, thank you for

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Speaker 1: your services country as a former FBI agent, and certainly

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the program tonight.

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Speaker 13: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Great Absolutely, I mean that's absolutely chilling, folks when you

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Speaker 1: think about it, and you know that they're gonna want

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Speaker 1: you to think, all right, it's a leftist lunatic, and

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Speaker 1: it may be, but it could be far deeper than that.

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Speaker 1: You know, he named CCP and jihadis Chinese Commuist Party

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Speaker 1: in Jihannas Deep State.

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Speaker 2: Do not rule them out either. They are so angry

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Speaker 2: with President Trump.

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Speaker 1: They want chaos from all of us, and certainly if

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Speaker 1: you want chaos, killing Charlie Kirk is a good way

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Speaker 1: to cause him.

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Speaker 2: Really is all right, we'll be back up next.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk a little bit about something Charlie

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Speaker 1: Kirk would want us talking about, and that is that

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Speaker 1: young lady killed in North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what Charlie Kirk would want us still

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Speaker 1: talking about. Irena, the young lady killed in North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: IRENA's the roots got on your screen right there. Killed

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Speaker 1: by a deranged animal. Fourteen times arrested, four time fellon Well,

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Speaker 1: apparently he was recorded by his own family saying this

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Speaker 1: from inside jail after being arrested for the murder of

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Speaker 1: that beautiful young lady.

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Speaker 11: Listen, the material used my body instead, lady, and so

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Speaker 11: she just got stabbed. Yeah, you know that's not me

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Speaker 11: I'm talking about just for no reason. But since they

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Speaker 11: did that, since they did that, now they got to

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Speaker 11: investigating my body is supposed to they want to do

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Speaker 11: all that. Now, I got to investigate.

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Speaker 2: The material in his body killed her. It wasn't me.

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Speaker 1: It was the material in my body. Clearly mentally ill,

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Speaker 1: unless he's faking it. Either way, I really don't care.

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Speaker 1: I want him to have the death penalty.

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Speaker 2: I really do.

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Speaker 1: Many say, oh, let him rot in prison. It's worse punishment.

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Speaker 1: Let him go meet God. Run the next clip of him.

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Speaker 11: She's from the Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: She's from Russia, and you know they got a war.

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Speaker 2: They had a war going on against the United States.

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Speaker 11: So I'm just trying to understand out of all.

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Speaker 12: People, that's it.

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Speaker 11: Ain't I don't have nothing. They just last out on her.

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Speaker 11: That's that. That's what happened. They last at on her.

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Speaker 11: Well was working the album? Who was working? Who was

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Speaker 11: whoever was working in the material? They last out on.

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Speaker 2: He's deranged, the material in his body, all right, no

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Speaker 2: secret that he was deranged. You know who else is deranged?

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Speaker 2: This judge Stokes who let him go? I call her

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Speaker 2: a judge. She doesn't even have a law degree. Do

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Speaker 2: you believe you can have a.

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Speaker 1: Judge in a city like Charlotte, North Carolina with no

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Speaker 1: law degree appointed by a Diversity, Equity and Inclusion clerk.

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Speaker 2: Apparently this is Congress from Mark Harris.

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Speaker 12: Well, these magistrates, as I understand, are somewhat appointed. I

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Speaker 12: mean she's not even elected. She's appointed, if I understand correctly,

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Speaker 12: by a clerk. And I think you've got to just

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Speaker 12: follow follow the line and look from from there.

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Speaker 2: To the clerk that that appointed her.

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Speaker 12: I assumed that work has the responsibility for the individuals

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Speaker 12: that she appoints the service, these magistrates. And again, where

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Speaker 12: did the breakdown occur.

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Speaker 1: The breakdown occurred the moment she was appointed. And this

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Speaker 1: is a real problem with all of these judges. I

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Speaker 1: want to bring in now to discuss this. Former US

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Speaker 1: Navy jag officer, a former Special assistant to the United

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Speaker 1: States Attorney and twenty twenty six Republican Senate candidate for

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, Don Brown is with us.

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Speaker 2: Don, it's great to have you back on the program.

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Speaker 4: Brian, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 14: I've got a little air traffed in the background of

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Speaker 14: this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Too bad.

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Speaker 3: It's a hard day.

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Speaker 14: I didn't know Charlie that well.

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Speaker 4: This spend some time with him.

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Speaker 14: If the let us think that Charlie Kirk's desk is

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Speaker 14: in the slowest and we're coming at you harder than ever.

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Speaker 14: We're going to draw up on his life and I

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Speaker 14: just spoken praying for his wife and his kids tonight.

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Speaker 14: And it's a hard day for us. We're gonna come

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Speaker 14: out stronger. We're going to dedicate our work to them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. We're not

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Speaker 1: going to let this silence us. I will ask you this.

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Speaker 1: You're in North Carolina out as a woman who doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a law degree become a judge.

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Speaker 2: Well, the.

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Speaker 14: It is a flaw in the legal system in North County.

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Speaker 14: These magistrates are appointed for political reasons. As my friend

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Speaker 14: Park Harris pointed out, They're not elected like regular district

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Speaker 14: court or Superiority Court judges, or even Court of Appeals

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Speaker 14: in Supreme Court judges or in North Carolina. They're not

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Speaker 14: appointed by the legislature. It is a political plumb job.

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Speaker 14: And obviously this particular magistrate is highly incompetent. And this individual,

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Speaker 14: this murder and the stub had been you know, revolt

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Speaker 14: on a revolving door at.

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Speaker 4: Least fourteen times.

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Speaker 2: This is a big problem.

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Speaker 14: North Carolina has the death penalty, but no execution has

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Speaker 14: been carried out since two thousand and six.

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Speaker 4: That is a travesty.

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Speaker 14: We've got to get out of the carrying out these

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Speaker 14: executions swiftly and publicly. And the City of Charlotte has

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Speaker 14: to blame a lot here too.

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Speaker 2: Grant. I have to tell you this light.

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Speaker 14: Rail system has become a cesspool and a magnet for

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Speaker 14: criminals and thugs when it was put in back when

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Speaker 14: Pat McCrory the Republican mayor. When I moved to the

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Speaker 14: Shaw area in the early mid nineties, there was a

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Speaker 14: sick to five Republican majority on the city council. That's

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Speaker 14: going to hell in a handbasket. Now the Democrats have

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Speaker 14: taken police officers off this light rail. There aren't a

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Speaker 14: security officers. You know, you have thugs getting on the

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Speaker 14: light rail in downtown and come out in suburbia. And

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Speaker 14: I've caught on President Trump, and I'll do this again,

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Speaker 14: mister President. Send the National Guard in to stabilize the

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Speaker 14: cesspool of a Charlotte light rail. Put a soldier on

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Speaker 14: every train. If Charlotte cannot get us act together and

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Speaker 14: manned those cars police officers within the next sixteen sixty days,

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Speaker 14: it should be shut down. We got to protect our

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Speaker 14: people and we got to get tough on crime. You

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Speaker 14: can't put up with this full type of situation. We

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Speaker 14: have political appointees who don't know what they're doing serving

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Speaker 14: the magicacy.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what President Trump and the National

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Speaker 1: Guard will have to work cut out for because it's

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Speaker 1: not just Charlotte North Carolina. It's probably the top twenty

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Speaker 1: five blue cities across America. Need the National Guard called

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Speaker 1: in and notice I said, they're all blue cities. Don Brown,

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Speaker 1: I wish you the best of luck in your race

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Speaker 1: for the Senate in North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on tonight. Thank you, Grant.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate you. God bless hanging here.

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Speaker 2: Brother.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely you two sir, and we appreciate you coming on again.

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Speaker 1: You know, I watched seven minutes of this video of

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Speaker 1: her being killed.

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Speaker 2: It did take.

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Speaker 1: Bystanders a minute and twenty seconds roughly to render her aid.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it was that they didn't want to

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Speaker 1: help her. I think they didn't understand what had happened.

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Speaker 1: It was virtually silent the way he stabbed her and

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Speaker 1: slit her throat. Very very sad.

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Speaker 2: All right. Up next, Real America's Voice, White House.

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Speaker 1: Correspondent Brian Glenn with his reaction to the Charlie Kirk assassination.

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Speaker 1: You know, folks, I think I'm a lot like all

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Speaker 1: of you when it comes to the death of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: Now the assassination. I'm gutted, I really am. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a loss for worse.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, I'm not on my game.

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Speaker 1: I apologize for that, I really do, but I want

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Speaker 1: to send a message to those on the left. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if this was a left wing lunatic or

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Speaker 1: killed him. It could have been a foreign entity, it

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Speaker 1: could have been Deep state CCP.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I do know this. Leftists, so

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Speaker 2: called pundits, encourage this crap.

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Speaker 1: Just yesterday, CNN was vilifying Charlie Kirk as a racist,

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Speaker 1: all but encouraging and egging on leftists to take him out.

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Speaker 1: This is Van Jones. He ought to be ashamed of himself.

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Speaker 15: And for Charlie Kirk to say we know he did

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Speaker 15: it because she's white, when there's no evidence of that,

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Speaker 15: it's just pure race mongering, hate mongering.

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Speaker 2: It's wrong.

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Speaker 15: Then he says that if something like that had happened

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Speaker 15: the other way, there'd be sweeping changes and pos on society.

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Speaker 15: Where is the George Floyd Policing Act. It didn't pass

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Speaker 15: even when you had a white police officer.

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Speaker 1: Murph, He's mad because what Charlie said is true. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that kind of rhetoric calling people name is like racist.

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Speaker 1: I know Charlie personally, I'm not a racist.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that much. I want to bring

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Speaker 2: in now someone else.

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Speaker 1: Who knows him very well, Rav Chief White House correspondent,

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Speaker 1: my other friend Brian Glenn.

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Speaker 2: Brian, welcome with a program. Thanks Grant, Brian.

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Speaker 1: I can't help but notice you were in Butler when

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Speaker 1: President Trump nearly lost his life. Now we got Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: This could have been anyone. I just wondered how you're processing.

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Speaker 16: This well like others that have been following this story

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Speaker 16: since it happened. I mean, our hearts are broken, there's

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Speaker 16: no mistaken about that. I was on a flight coming

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Speaker 16: back from Chicago with Attorney General Pam Bondi and RFK

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Speaker 16: Junior as they had a story about raiding a Chinese

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Speaker 16: vape manufacturing plant. When I got the news of that

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Speaker 16: Charlie was shot. I am not only am I heartbroken,

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Speaker 16: but Grant, I gotta be honest with you, I'm not

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Speaker 16: surprised because you see how toxic the left is towards conservatives,

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Speaker 16: towards President Trump, towards Republicans in general.

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Speaker 2: And I agree with you.

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Speaker 16: We don't really know who was behind this assassination, but

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Speaker 16: regardless of who it is, there's one thing that's clear.

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Speaker 16: Charlie Kirk preached the Gospel to youth, to young Americans,

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Speaker 16: the youth of our country. He preached peace, love, compassion.

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Speaker 16: He did it in a very articulate way that people

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Speaker 16: would understand it.

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Speaker 2: And they don't want that.

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Speaker 16: See, whoever's behind this assassination truly does not like this country.

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Speaker 16: They aren't a follower or Jesus, and they simply want

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Speaker 16: to eradicate us from this whole conversation. And I don't think,

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Speaker 16: to be honest with you, and I walk past all

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Speaker 16: these people in front of the White House almost every day.

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Speaker 2: They don't want a conversation, Grant. They want to shut

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Speaker 2: you down. They want to shut you up.

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Speaker 16: And I think Greg Guttfield on the five earlier today

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Speaker 16: said it best. And I'm not going to drop the

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Speaker 16: F bomb, But if they think that this is going

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Speaker 16: to make us go away, they got another thing coming.

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Speaker 16: We're going to be stronger after this. And God bless

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Speaker 16: Charlie Kirk's family. To kids, it's just heart raking, it

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Speaker 16: really is, Grant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. I don't think it's going to

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Speaker 2: silence anybody out there.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, I try to put myself in

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Speaker 1: the other side shoes often to see how I would

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Speaker 1: react compared to them. If this was reversed and a

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Speaker 1: left wing pundit was killed, they would be wishing it's

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Speaker 1: a make America Great Again.

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Speaker 2: Person wearing a red hat.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 2: I mean this from the bottom of my heart, Brian.

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Speaker 1: I'm not hoping it's anybody, whether it's a jieh Hottist,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a left wing Kamala Harris supporter, whether it.

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Speaker 2: I just want them caught.

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Speaker 1: I'm not hoping it's anybody they hope because they always

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Speaker 1: want the story, and I'm sick of them wanting the

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Speaker 1: story at the expense of people's lives. And they're willing

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Speaker 1: to take people's lives. I think, and many times and

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Speaker 1: encourage people to take lives for the story.

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Speaker 2: And I give you the last word. I agree with you.

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Speaker 16: And I'm still got questions on Thomas Crooks, who attempted

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Speaker 16: to shoot President Trump. I've got questions across the board

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Speaker 16: in regards to this, and I'm with you regardless who

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Speaker 16: it is. I want accountability. But let's just put every conservative,

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Speaker 16: every influencer, every TV host, anybody that's in this MAGA

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Speaker 16: movement that's in a public eye, put your head on

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Speaker 16: a swivel and protect yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know the saddest part of all of this, and

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Speaker 1: I was talking about this, Brian, is even if Charlie

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Speaker 1: had his head on a swivel, even if he was

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Speaker 1: carrying a firearm, he wouldn't have seen it coming. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if they're gonna come and get you, they're gonna come

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Speaker 1: and get you. As what happened to President Trump, he

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Speaker 1: had God's hand on him. Charlie has God's hand on

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Speaker 1: him now, and that I know now. Brian Glenn, thank you,

880
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: my friend.

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Speaker 2: It's always good to see you.

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Speaker 16: Grant God blessed.

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Speaker 2: Thank you absolutely. All right, folks, final thoughts on all

884
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 2: of this. Just a horrible day in the conservative world.

885
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: It really is. We're back in a flash. Welcome back

886
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: to everyone. Sad day.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you that my New York Yankees,

888
00:46:52,440 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm proud of them. Look what they did tonight. It's

889
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: a quick video, but Charlie Kirk on the JumboTron thirty

890
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Speaker 1: one years old, and then President Trump truthed out this

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Speaker 1: today in honor of Charlie Kirk, a truly great American patriot.

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00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: I am ordering all American flags throughout the United States

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00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: lowered to half masked until Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Evening at six pm.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I still can't believe that I'm

896
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: not going to see Charlie. I'm not going to talk

897
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: to him, doing an event with him, sit on a

898
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: stage with him again, go on his program him, come

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Speaker 1: on mine. It is a tough day, to say the least,

900
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: but we move forward because that's what we do. We're

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Speaker 1: Americans and will stay tough, and we pray for his family.

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Speaker 1: Stonfield's Army Rolls will see you tomorrow.