WEBVTT - #366 Wrongful Conviction: False Confessions - Ricky Davis

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<v Speaker 1>Hi there, it's Lauren I writer, and this time I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here with some really encouraging news for anyone committed to

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<v Speaker 1>true justice in this country. Back in twenty twenty, we

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<v Speaker 1>brought you the story of Ricky Davis, a California man

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<v Speaker 1>who spent fifteen years in prison for murder he didn't commit.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of those bone chilling cases that reminds

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<v Speaker 1>you a wrongful conviction can happen to anyone. Police were

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to use deceptive interrogation techniques to convince someone they'd

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<v Speaker 1>witnessed a crime when they hadn't been there at all. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 1>this is changing. In September twenty twenty two, the actual

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<v Speaker 1>murderer was caught. He was convicted of the murder and

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced to fifteen years to life. To help make sure

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<v Speaker 1>this never happens again, California has enacted new legislation. Now

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<v Speaker 1>the state bans police from using the kinds of deceptive

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<v Speaker 1>interrogation tactics that were used to produce the statement the

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<v Speaker 1>convicted Ricky Davis. And this this new law was made

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<v Speaker 1>possible with the support of District Attorney Verne Pearson, the

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<v Speaker 1>very same prosecutor who exonerated Ricky and convicted the real killer.

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<v Speaker 1>We applaud this positive step toward justice, and I hope

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<v Speaker 1>it'll inspire sorely needed changes just like this around the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to wrongful Conviction, False Confessions. I'm Laura and I

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<v Speaker 1>writer and I'm Steve Dreson. Today we're going to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about a California man named Ricky Davis. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty five, Ricky and his girlfriend Connie found their roommate

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<v Speaker 1>brutally stabbed to death. Without any leads, the case went

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<v Speaker 1>cold for fourteen years. That's when detectives convinced Connie that

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<v Speaker 1>she had repressed memories of Ricky committing the crime. Based

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<v Speaker 1>on Connie's false statement, Ricky spent twelve years in prison

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<v Speaker 1>until very recently when he and his mother Maureen, finally

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<v Speaker 1>had something to be thankful for.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important to realize that on the road

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<v Speaker 2>to a wrongful conviction, there's a lot of road kill.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the defendant who gets wrongfully convicted. There's the defendant's

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<v Speaker 2>family who has to live with the fact that their

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<v Speaker 2>loved one is going away for a long period of

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<v Speaker 2>time or sentenced to death.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in this case, it was Ricky's mom Maureene, who

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<v Speaker 1>had to bear the brunt of that pain.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there are witnesses sometimes who are pressured to

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<v Speaker 2>lie to save their own.

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<v Speaker 1>Skin, witnesses like Connie Dahl, and they have.

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<v Speaker 2>To live with the guilt that accompanies that lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting. I mean when you think about Connie

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<v Speaker 1>and Maureene in that courtroom, one woman is being forced

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<v Speaker 1>to talk and one woman is being prevented from talking,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course the two of them have two very

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<v Speaker 1>different stories to tell about who Ricky Davis is and

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<v Speaker 1>what Ricky Davis did.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the notion of powerlessness that Maureen experienced in

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<v Speaker 2>this case is something that we see all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, while the trial is happening, there's nothing that

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<v Speaker 2>Maureene can do to stop the train from running over

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<v Speaker 2>her son.

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<v Speaker 1>And Connie's being forced to drive that train. She's a

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<v Speaker 1>victim here too. Today's story starts in El Dorado Hills, California,

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<v Speaker 1>an upper class suburb about twenty miles east of Sacramento.

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<v Speaker 1>In so many ways, El Dorado Hills epitomizes the American dream.

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<v Speaker 1>It's filled with expensive homes that back up onto lush

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<v Speaker 1>golf courses, its shopping centers are filled with luxury stores

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<v Speaker 1>and fancy restaurants. It's families, by and large, live lives

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<v Speaker 1>of privilege and peace. Ricky Davis's story is still unfolding today,

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<v Speaker 1>but it began back in nineteen eighty five. Ricky was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years old. He lived in El Dorado Hills and

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<v Speaker 1>a large home on Stanford Lane along with his mom, Maureen.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Ricky and Maureen were pretty different from their wealthy neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>Maureen had been a teenage mom by the time she

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<v Speaker 1>turned twenty. She was raising Ricky and his three sisters

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<v Speaker 1>in southern California without much support from their dad. Maureen

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<v Speaker 1>worked to pay the bills by waitressing. She and Ricky

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<v Speaker 1>had come to El Dorado Hills just a few years

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<v Speaker 1>before our story begins. Ricky's grandmother, a successful business woman,

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<v Speaker 1>had recently moved to the area, and she bought the

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<v Speaker 1>house on Stanford Lane for them. This family might not

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<v Speaker 1>have been classic El Dorado Hills, but they were close

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<v Speaker 1>knit and loving. No secrets, no drama, no lies. Ricky

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<v Speaker 1>had a nineteen year old girlfriend, Connie Dahl, who spent

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of nights at the Stanford Lane house. Now Ricky's

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<v Speaker 1>mom Maureene wasn thrilled with Ricky and Connie's relationship because

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<v Speaker 1>Connie had a pretty serious meth habit. Ricky smoked pot,

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<v Speaker 1>It's true, but he wasn't into harder stuff, and Maureen

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<v Speaker 1>worried that Connie would drag Ricky into trouble. But unlike Ricky,

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<v Speaker 1>Connie didn't have a stable home. Sometimes she had no

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<v Speaker 1>home at all and slept in her car. Once she

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<v Speaker 1>and Ricky started dating, Connie often spent the night at

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<v Speaker 1>Rickey's house, climbing in his bedroom window after Maureen was asleep.

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<v Speaker 1>One Friday in nineteen eighty five, July fifth, the Stanford

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<v Speaker 1>Lane house gained two more residents. Ricky's grandmother was in

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<v Speaker 1>the real estate business, and she'd recently learned that one

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<v Speaker 1>of her employees needed a temporary place to stay. Fifty

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<v Speaker 1>four year old Jane Hilton had been fighting with her

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<v Speaker 1>husband over money, and those fights had apparently turned violent.

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<v Speaker 1>When Ricky's grandmother found out about this, she offered Jane

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<v Speaker 1>and her thirteen year old daughter Autumn a spare bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>on Stanford Lane as a safe harbor. They moved in

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday, July fifth, but that harbor wasn't quite as

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<v Speaker 1>safe as it seemed. The next day, Saturday, July sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>the house emptied out, at least for the most part.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky's mom, Maureen, took off in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>day to go camping with her boyfriend. In the evening,

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky and his girlfriend Connie headed out to a party.

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<v Speaker 1>Even thirteen year old Autumn left the house to meet

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<v Speaker 1>up with some new friends, three teenage boys she'd met

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<v Speaker 1>earlier that day. For her part, Autumn's mom, Jane, stayed home.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky and Connie got back at around three thirty Sunday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>When they arrived at the house, they found Autumn outside

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<v Speaker 1>standing alone in the front yard. Autumn told them she'd

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<v Speaker 1>been home for an hour, but she hadn't gone inside yet.

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<v Speaker 1>She was worried about getting in trouble with her mom

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<v Speaker 1>for being out too late, she said, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>hoping Ricky and Connie would go inside with her. The

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<v Speaker 1>three go in together upstairs, there's no sign of Autumn's mom, Jane,

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<v Speaker 1>so Ricky and Connie leave Autumn in her room and

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<v Speaker 1>had forbid themsels. But as they walked down the hall,

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky spots blood on the carpet outside the master bedroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Where his mom, Maureen usually sleeps. She's on a camping trip,

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<v Speaker 1>he reminds himself. He pushes the door open and finds

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<v Speaker 1>a nightmare. It's not his mom, but Autumn's mom, Jane Hilton.

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<v Speaker 1>She's lying on the bed wearing only a nightgown, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's clearly dead. Jane's been stabbed thirty nine times and

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<v Speaker 1>is covered in blood. She's got defensive wounds up and

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<v Speaker 1>down her arms. One of her fingernails is missing, and

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<v Speaker 1>her hand is clutching a tuft of someone's hair. There's

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<v Speaker 1>even a bite mark on the back of her left shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky and Connie were horrified. They called the police, who

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<v Speaker 1>arrived and interviewed both of them on the spot. Ricky

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<v Speaker 1>and Connie told the police they'd been at a party

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<v Speaker 1>all night and it was pretty easy to corroborate their story.

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<v Speaker 1>The hood of Ricky's car was still warm, suggesting he

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<v Speaker 1>and Connie were being on it about only recently getting

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<v Speaker 1>back to the house, and thirteen year old Autumn told

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<v Speaker 1>police she'd seen Ricky and Connie arrive home and gone

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<v Speaker 1>in with them. To these officers at the scene, it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed pretty clear that Ricky and Connie were innocent, so

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<v Speaker 1>clear that the police didn't bother to interview the other

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<v Speaker 1>people who'd been with them at the party. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>those people would have been alibi witnesses. Instead, police moved

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<v Speaker 1>on to check out the obvious suspect, Jane's husband, the

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<v Speaker 1>guy with whom she'd been fighting, but he seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>have an alibi two he'd apparently spent the evening at

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<v Speaker 1>a local restaurant. So next the police tried to find

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<v Speaker 1>the three teenage boys Autumn had been hanging out with

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<v Speaker 1>earlier that night. Problem was, Autumn only knew first names

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<v Speaker 1>for two of them, Michael and Calvin. After scanning through

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<v Speaker 1>a few yearbooks from local high schools, the detectives came

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<v Speaker 1>up with nothing. Unfortunately, that was it for the investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Without any suspects or solid leads, the case went cold

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<v Speaker 1>for four thirteen years. Fast forward from July nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five to November nineteen ninety nine. Ricky and Connie had

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<v Speaker 1>broken up long ago. Their relationship ended up lasting less

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<v Speaker 1>than a year. Since then, Connie had continued using meth

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<v Speaker 1>off and on. For his part, Ricky had spent those

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<v Speaker 1>years in and out of prison for a series of

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<v Speaker 1>relatively minor offenses, mostly drug related crimes and robbery, but

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<v Speaker 1>neither of them had ever been involved in anything close

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<v Speaker 1>to murder. In nineteen ninety nine, the El Dorado County

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff's Office decided to reinvestigate Jane Hilton's killing. Two detectives

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<v Speaker 1>were assigned to this cold case, and they started by

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<v Speaker 1>reviewing old news coverage. Their attention was caught by a

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<v Speaker 1>story that had run in a local newspaper just a

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<v Speaker 1>few days after the murder. A reporter from the paper

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<v Speaker 1>had shown up at the Stanford Lane house. Connie had

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<v Speaker 1>let her in and shown her the room where Jane

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<v Speaker 1>had been killed. The reporter asked a bunch of questions

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<v Speaker 1>about finding the body, and that's when Connie had said

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<v Speaker 1>so thing that struck these new detectives as suspicious. Connie

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<v Speaker 1>had told the reporter that Jane's body had been positioned

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<v Speaker 1>on the bed as though she were sleeping. Whoever had

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<v Speaker 1>killed Jane, Connie speculated, must have moved her body onto

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<v Speaker 1>the bed afterwards. Connie's comment was pretty obviously a guess,

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<v Speaker 1>but the police began wondering if she actually might know

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<v Speaker 1>something about the body being moved. So over the next

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen months. Between November nineteen ninety nine and February two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and one, the police decided to interrogate Connie on

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<v Speaker 1>three separate occasions. It was all caught on videotape, every

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<v Speaker 1>last word, and that videotape makes it clear the police

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<v Speaker 1>weren't aiming only for Connie. They wanted her to confess

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<v Speaker 1>to being present when Jane died, and they wanted her

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<v Speaker 1>to name her ex boyfriend, Ricky Davis, as the killer.

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<v Speaker 2>The theory was that Jane was brutally beaten and stabbed

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<v Speaker 2>to death by a man, and the man that the

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<v Speaker 2>police officers had in mind was Ricky Davis. Police officers

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<v Speaker 2>often go after ex girlfriends or ex wives on the

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<v Speaker 2>assumption that there was a bad breakup, that there's some

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<v Speaker 2>animists there that may motivate the aggrieved party into revealing

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<v Speaker 2>information that they had been unwilling to reveal at the

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<v Speaker 2>time of the investigation. Hell hath no fury like a

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<v Speaker 2>woman scorned is the thinking here.

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<v Speaker 1>Connie is first brought in for questioning only days after

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<v Speaker 1>the new cops take over the case. At first, she

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<v Speaker 1>insists repeatedly that she had nothing to do with Jane's murder,

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<v Speaker 1>that all she remembers is coming home and finding the body,

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<v Speaker 1>But right away Connie is hit with a barrage of lies.

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<v Speaker 1>Police tell her that a witness had placed her in

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky at the homicide scene, although no one had. Police

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<v Speaker 1>tell Connie that DNA established her presence in Jane's bedroom,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it didn't, and they tell Connie that the

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<v Speaker 1>hares found clenched in Jane's hand belonged to Ricky. Another lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Police had actually lost those hairs. They were never tested

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<v Speaker 1>at all.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that you were present in the house when

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<v Speaker 2>this happened. I know I was not. We already know that.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean, Well, like.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, you know, we've got all kinds of physical

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<v Speaker 3>evidence I happened. Yes, Oh my god, there's no way.

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<v Speaker 1>Over time, though, the police's cascading lies begin to break

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<v Speaker 1>Connie down. Like most of us, Connie has no idea

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<v Speaker 1>that police are allowed to lie during interrogations, So after

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<v Speaker 1>hearing all this apparent evidence of her own involvement, Connie

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<v Speaker 1>starts questioning her memory of what happened all those years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, if I was there, I had no memory of that.

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<v Speaker 1>She's desperately trying to make sense of what they're say saying,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually tells the investigators that maybe she was there

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<v Speaker 1>and just couldn't remember it. The investigator suggests that Ricky

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<v Speaker 1>had programmed her memory so that Connie would blank out

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<v Speaker 1>her recollections of the crime. She agrees, maybe I have amnesia.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't have watched that happen. That would have been

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<v Speaker 3>Oh if I've witness for that happening, that or at

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<v Speaker 3>least you wouldn't I blanked it out.

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<v Speaker 2>They are absolutely confusing the hell out of her. They

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<v Speaker 2>are causing a crisis of confidence where she begins not

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<v Speaker 2>only to doubt her memory, but she can't really distinguish

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<v Speaker 2>between what she actually remembers and what she thinks she

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<v Speaker 2>might remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators warn Connie that if she doesn't somehow recover her memories,

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<v Speaker 1>they might have to interrogate her again, and they say

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<v Speaker 1>that could lead to her arrest. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>they imply that Connie will receive leniency, even immunity from

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution if she provides them with a statement right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first one to jump on the bandwagon, I always

0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.160
<v Speaker 3>con sieius ride right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what happens here is that the police provide

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<v Speaker 2>incentives to adopt their preconceived theory, promises of leniency or

0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:24.120
<v Speaker 2>threats of harm, suggestions that the first person to jump

0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:27.640
<v Speaker 2>on the bandwagon is going to get the best deal,

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<v Speaker 2>and that if she doesn't jump on first, someone else

0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.360
<v Speaker 2>is going to take your spot and she's going to

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<v Speaker 2>get punished more severely.

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<v Speaker 1>These tactics work. Connie breaks and agrees to confess, to

0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.120
<v Speaker 1>say that she helped Ricky kill Jane, but she has

0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.160
<v Speaker 1>no idea what to say about the crime. Remember, Connie

0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:54.560
<v Speaker 1>wasn't actually there to help her out. Investigators feed Connie

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<v Speaker 1>everything they know about Jane Hilton's murder and everything they

0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:02.320
<v Speaker 1>think happened too. Here's the story that Connie ultimately agreed

0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to repeat. She said she was there while Ricky and

0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Jane were arguing about whether Jane's daughter Autumn could go

0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:12.160
<v Speaker 1>out that night. During the argument, Connie said, Ricky punched

0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Jane in the face. The altercation escalated. Eventually, Connie went

0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.200
<v Speaker 1>downstairs and acted as a lookout while Ricky stabbed Jane.

0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Then Connie said she came back to the room and

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<v Speaker 1>helped Ricky move Jane's body onto the bed.

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<v Speaker 2>So, to me, what makes this case different is that

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<v Speaker 2>we have a sort of recipe, if you will, for

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<v Speaker 2>a persuaded false confession. What's unique about a persuaded false

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<v Speaker 2>confession is that the suspect comes to doubt their own memory.

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<v Speaker 2>They get to a place where they think the police

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<v Speaker 2>officers are telling me I committed this crime. They're telling

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<v Speaker 2>me they have evidence that proves that I committed this crime,

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<v Speaker 2>but why can't I remember it? And when a suspect

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<v Speaker 2>gets to that place of uncertainty, the police officers provide

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<v Speaker 2>an answer. The events that you saw were so traumatic

0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:15.480
<v Speaker 2>that they caused you to repress these memories, and so

0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the interrogation becomes an exercise in pulling these memories out

0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:28.240
<v Speaker 2>of the suspect's mind. But they're not real memories. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>At times, Connie's language reveals her own uncertainty. Even while

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<v Speaker 1>she's confessing.

0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I think I did that, I probably did that. I

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<v Speaker 2>seem to remember that. There's a tentativeness that you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have if they were real memories, and we see that

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<v Speaker 2>throughout Connie's interrogation.

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<v Speaker 1>Telling LYE, when Connie's not fed information, she can't get

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<v Speaker 1>anything about the story right. She's not able to tell

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<v Speaker 1>the police what the murder weapon looked like where Ricky

0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:02.800
<v Speaker 1>got it or how he disposed of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The detectives are shaping her memories. They are feeding her

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<v Speaker 2>facts and their final story here is really their story.

0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:19.480
<v Speaker 2>It's their preconceived theory of the crime come to life

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<v Speaker 2>through the words of Connie Doll.

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<v Speaker 1>Strangely enough, the police don't arrest anyone right away. Instead,

0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.159
<v Speaker 1>they leave Connie alone for a while and interview Ricky himself.

0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.880
<v Speaker 1>He vehemently denies any involvement whatsoever. So the police come

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<v Speaker 1>back to Connie in January two thousand to see if

0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.760
<v Speaker 1>she can give them any more information, and they remind

0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.639
<v Speaker 1>her that the more details she can provide, the better

0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:48.159
<v Speaker 1>off she'll be. During this interrogation, officers play Connie the

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<v Speaker 1>crime scene video that was recorded the night Jane died

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<v Speaker 1>to see if they can quote refresh her memory. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen this video myself, and it's horrifying. It's almost

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<v Speaker 1>totally sign Island. As the videographer walks from room to room,

0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.359
<v Speaker 1>ending up in the bedroom where Jane died, the camera

0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:11.240
<v Speaker 1>documents every wound, every injury, from her missing fingernail to

0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.480
<v Speaker 1>her eyes which were still open. It's the kind of

0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.040
<v Speaker 1>crime scene that makes even people who see this all

0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:21.720
<v Speaker 1>the time sick to their stomachs. Connie watches the video

0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.840
<v Speaker 1>and agrees to add more detail to her story. She

0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.080
<v Speaker 1>says she heard Jane plead for her life, but Ricky

0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.639
<v Speaker 1>didn't listen. She says she heard Jane make gurgling noises

0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.399
<v Speaker 1>as Ricky stabbed her, and after the attack, Connie says

0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.600
<v Speaker 1>she saw Ricky covered in blood. The police still don't

0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:43.320
<v Speaker 1>arrest Connie, but they also don't leave her alone. Instead,

0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.680
<v Speaker 1>they come back a third time in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>one to try to get even more details. This time,

0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.000
<v Speaker 1>detectives tell her that she'll either be charged with a

0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:56.600
<v Speaker 1>misdemeanor accessory type thing, or she'll go down as a

0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.840
<v Speaker 1>full blooded half partner in the murder. It all de

0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.639
<v Speaker 1>on her credibility. Now. Connie's got two young children. The

0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.600
<v Speaker 1>police tell her that if she continues to cooperate, she'll

0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.600
<v Speaker 1>be able to go home to her kids. But they

0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.960
<v Speaker 1>warn her saying I don't know isn't going to help

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<v Speaker 1>you at all.

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<v Speaker 2>They bring up the subject of her children repeatedly throughout

0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:23.879
<v Speaker 2>the interrogation, and the message to Connie is crystal clear,

0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.480
<v Speaker 2>if I don't tell them what they want to hear,

0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.959
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to lose my children, so they play on

0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.960
<v Speaker 2>her emotions as a mother. These kinds of tactics are

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<v Speaker 2>very common when a woman is a suspect or a witness,

0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:43.880
<v Speaker 2>because police officers know that most women would walk across

0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.480
<v Speaker 2>a field of glass in order to protect their children.

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<v Speaker 1>To satisfy her interrogators, Connie adds another detail to her story,

0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's a big one. She wasn't just a lookout.

0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.040
<v Speaker 1>She says she was in the room during the murder

0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.199
<v Speaker 1>and tried to intervene. And remember that bite mark on

0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the back of Jane's shoulder. Connie ends up saying she

0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:08.120
<v Speaker 1>was responsible for it, that she accidentally bit Jane during

0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:14.320
<v Speaker 1>the struggle. Finally, Connie's story was good enough. On May

0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.879
<v Speaker 1>twenty first, two thousand and two, based only on Connie's confession,

0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:22.479
<v Speaker 1>the El Dorado County District Attorney's office filed murder charges

0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:26.320
<v Speaker 1>against Ricky Davis. And here's the thing. When those cops

0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.359
<v Speaker 1>told Connie she wouldn't be charged, turns out they were

0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:34.640
<v Speaker 1>lying again. Connie was charged with murder II as an accomplice.

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<v Speaker 1>A few months later, prosecutors told Connie that if she

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to testify against Ricky a trial. She could plead

0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.800
<v Speaker 1>guilty to manslaughter and get a huge reduction in her sentence.

0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.879
<v Speaker 1>They decide exactly how much of her reduction. After she testified,

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<v Speaker 1>With no good options left, Connie pled guilty and agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to take the stand.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't like her to start with.

0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:12.640
<v Speaker 1>That's Maureen Klein, Ricky Davis's mother. Remember, she's always had

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<v Speaker 1>an opinion about Ricky's ex girlfriend, Connie.

0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:20.040
<v Speaker 3>Ricky and I have always been very close. He had

0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:24.320
<v Speaker 3>a horrible father, so I think the closeness was because

0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.040
<v Speaker 3>I was all Ricky really had. Even as a teenager,

0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.480
<v Speaker 3>he would call me his best friend. So this situation

0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:33.359
<v Speaker 3>was extremely devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and two, Maureen learned that Ricky was

0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:40.000
<v Speaker 1>being charged with murdering Jane Hilton, based on the testimony

0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.800
<v Speaker 1>of a girl he dated fourteen years ago. Mariene couldn't

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:47.080
<v Speaker 1>believe it. She knew her son was no killer and

0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the police had seemed to acknowledge his and Connie's innocence

0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.919
<v Speaker 1>years ago. As she processed the news, Maureen struggled to

0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.360
<v Speaker 1>understand why Connie would falsely confess.

0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Connie had problems obviously and she let the detectives talk

0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:05.280
<v Speaker 3>her into believing that she had something to do with

0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.080
<v Speaker 3>the murder. I was very angry at Connie, and I

0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:12.000
<v Speaker 3>couldn't believe that she was lying this out not lying.

0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't understand how somebody could convince you that you

0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.920
<v Speaker 3>participated in a murder that you didn't.

0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:23.240
<v Speaker 2>The idea that Connie would confess to a murder she

0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:28.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't commit, it was impossible for Maureen to believe. I

0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:33.360
<v Speaker 2>understand and sympathize with Maureen about her anger towards Connie,

0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:37.760
<v Speaker 2>But Connie's a tragic victim in this too. She didn't

0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:41.800
<v Speaker 2>start out by naming Ricky Davis as a murderer, and

0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.520
<v Speaker 2>it was only the lies and the manipulation by the

0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.840
<v Speaker 2>detectives in that cold case squad that gave her really

0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:52.720
<v Speaker 2>no choice but to change her story in ways that

0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:55.840
<v Speaker 2>pleased them, or else she was going to lose her kids.

0:22:56.600 --> 0:23:00.359
<v Speaker 1>After Ricky was charged, Maureen sat down and watched Connie's

0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:04.360
<v Speaker 1>interrogation videos. As Maureen watched, she began to see how

0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:08.439
<v Speaker 1>police manipulated Connie. She started realizing that the problem was

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.000
<v Speaker 1>much bigger than her son's ex girlfriend.

0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.359
<v Speaker 3>Connie did stay in the starting of one of the

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.440
<v Speaker 3>interviews that she had been up on MES for twenty

0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:21.600
<v Speaker 3>four hours prior, so that in itself, I would think

0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:27.280
<v Speaker 3>they wouldn't have interviewed her at that time, but they did. Anyway,

0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.159
<v Speaker 3>she would say exactly what they actually sold it to.

0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:33.200
<v Speaker 3>You could tell that they would turn off the recording

0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:36.680
<v Speaker 3>and get her back on track. They did tell Connie

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:40.200
<v Speaker 3>that once Ricky was convicted that she would go free,

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:44.480
<v Speaker 3>and I guess they threatened her with her children and stuff.

0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:48.440
<v Speaker 3>I didn't believe anything would come of it because I

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.200
<v Speaker 3>knew Ricky had no part of it. I knew he

0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:51.760
<v Speaker 3>was innocent.

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.879
<v Speaker 1>Maureen was right that Ricky was innocent, but she was

0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.960
<v Speaker 1>wrong that nothing would come of Connie's story. In June

0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:01.760
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five, Ricky went on for Jane Hilton's murder.

0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 1>Prosecutors called Connie Dahl as their star witness. From his

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:10.359
<v Speaker 1>seat at the defense table, Ricky watched Connie testify. He

0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 1>hadn't seen her in almost twenty years, and he couldn't

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 1>believe what he was hearing. Connie knew he was innocent.

0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 1>The two of them had discovered Jane's body together somehow,

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:24.199
<v Speaker 1>though the system had put them on opposite sides. For

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.879
<v Speaker 1>her part, Maureen sat in the front row of the courtroom,

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 1>right behind Ricky as prosecutors told the jury an unthinkable

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>story about her son.

0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:36.400
<v Speaker 3>The way they portrayed him, like he was some vicious animal,

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 3>that was hard to take. I was surprised that the

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 3>jurors believed Connie. To me, she didn't sound very credible.

0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 3>The way she answered was what she was told to say,

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:52.240
<v Speaker 3>but they did believe her. Obviously, I couldn't say anything.

0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 3>At times, I wanted to yell out or react, but

0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:58.680
<v Speaker 3>I knew that if I did, I wouldn't be allowed

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 3>in the courtroom. So it was a helpless feelings.

0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 1>In exchange for Connie's testimony, prosecutors agreed that her sentence

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 1>should be reduced to times served. The next day, she

0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 1>walked free, but Ricky. Ricky wasn't as lucky. Based on

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Connie's false testimony, Ricky was convicted of murdering Jane Hilton.

0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 1>He was given a sentence of sixteen years to life.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like a bad movie. I mean, no systems perfect,

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 3>but there was just no way I thought it could

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 3>be convicted under the circumstances. But he was everything about

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 3>my life. Changed in the moment that he was convicted.

0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:49.439
<v Speaker 3>It seemed to me my whole personality changed. I became

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 3>angry at everything I wish I was detecting. It's nothing

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 3>but horrible things in their life. I mean, I'm sorry

0:25:57.760 --> 0:25:58.879
<v Speaker 3>that that's the way I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>After his two thousand and five conviction, Ricky Davis was

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 1>sent to a California prison hours away from Eldorado Hills.

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>His ex girlfriend, Connie was free, but she never shook

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 1>her meth habit. In twenty fourteen, Connie died of an overdose.

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:20.680
<v Speaker 1>For her part, Maureen moved out of the Stanford Lane

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 1>house she couldn't be there alone and started living with

0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>her mom. Every month, Maureen drove to visit Ricky in

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.920
<v Speaker 1>prison year after year after year.

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:32.679
<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot of bad people and they deserve

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 3>to be in there, but there's seems to be a

0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:39.919
<v Speaker 3>lot that shouldn't be in there. With no money, you're

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 3>going to do time period. That was just cut and dry,

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 3>and that pretty much is the way it is. It's

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:51.680
<v Speaker 3>the same with different nationalities. They don't get the same

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 3>justice that a rich white person does, and that's wrong.

0:26:56.480 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Shortly before Connie's death, the Northern California Innocence Project agreed

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>to take on Ricky Davis's case, and in twenty fourteen,

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 1>attorneys from the project sought DNA testing on a host

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>of items from Jane Hilton's murder scene. The crime lab

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.879
<v Speaker 1>started with that bite mark on the back of Jane's shoulder,

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the mark that Connie told police had been left by

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 1>her teeth. Whoever left that mark bit through Jane's nightgown.

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 1>Sure enough, the lab found saliva on the nightgown and

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 1>developed a full DNA profile of an unknown male. Obviously,

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the bier was not Connie Dull and it wasn't Ricky

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:36.439
<v Speaker 1>Davis either. Next, the lab tested DNA from skin cells

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 1>that were left underneath Jane's fingernails from when she'd scratched

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 1>her attacker whose DNA was it? The same unknown man

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>who'd left his saliva on Jane's nightgown. The profile was

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.920
<v Speaker 1>run through the local and national DNA databases with no luck.

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 1>The attacker couldn't be identified, but it was crystal clear

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that whoever had killed Jane Hilton was not Connie or Ricky.

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Ricky's attorneys fell a post conviction petition based on this

0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:05.879
<v Speaker 1>new evidence. In twenty nineteen, the court threw out Ricky's conviction.

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 1>That was great news, but Ricky's fight wasn't over. Even

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:13.880
<v Speaker 1>though the DNA excluded Ricky, prosecutors weren't ready to drop

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.439
<v Speaker 1>charges until they knew whose DNA it was, so they

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<v Speaker 1>began preparing to retry Ricky for Jane's murder, and Ricky

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<v Speaker 1>had to stay behind bars. But in the meantime, prosecutors

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<v Speaker 1>tried a brand new method to identify the DNA, genetic genealogy,

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<v Speaker 1>and it led investigators back to someone whose name they

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't heard in twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 2>Genetic genealogy searches public databases like ancestry dot com and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three in meters to look for matches to evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that's found at a crime scene. Police officers start examining

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<v Speaker 2>the family trees and look for people who have a

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<v Speaker 2>connection to the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 1>In Ricky's case, the process led the DA's office to

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one years old Michael Green, who is Michael Green.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out he was one of the three teenagers that

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<v Speaker 1>Jane's daughter Autumn had been with the night her mother

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<v Speaker 1>was killed at Long Last. Twenty five years after Jane's death,

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<v Speaker 1>the authorities had found her killer. In February twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Green was charged with Jane's murder and was booked

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<v Speaker 1>into the El Dorado County jail. He entered a plea

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<v Speaker 1>of not guilty and is awaiting trial today now. Because

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<v Speaker 1>Green's case is still unfolding, we don't have clear answers

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<v Speaker 1>yet about why he attacked Jane or how he did it.

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<v Speaker 1>We just know the DNA was his. That's pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>to case closed. On February thirteenth, twenty twenty, a judge

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<v Speaker 1>declared Ricky Davis factually innocent and dismissed the case against

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<v Speaker 1>him after serving twelve years for a murder he did

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<v Speaker 1>not commit. Ricky walked out of prison right into the

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<v Speaker 1>arms of his mom.

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<v Speaker 3>Ed exonerate him, which he said that was the first

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<v Speaker 3>time he had ever done it. That was such a

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<v Speaker 3>great feeling. And didn't see him walk out of the jail,

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<v Speaker 3>It's the crazyest thing. Everybody was there to hear him

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<v Speaker 3>coming down and how getting him and stuff. To see

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<v Speaker 3>him smiling because he was happy instead of having to

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<v Speaker 3>go back into the sales as I was leading him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it was fantastic. Steaming.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, the same couldn't happen for Connie. She remains in

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<v Speaker 1>death a convicted participant in Jane Hilton's murder.

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<v Speaker 2>There were two wrongful convictions here, and this DNA evidence

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<v Speaker 2>proved that Connie's story was false. It also proved that

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't bite Jane Hilton, so she deserves to be

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<v Speaker 2>exonerated posthumously.

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<v Speaker 1>This year, Ricky Davis will be spending its first Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 1>in nearly twelve years with his mom Maureen.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll make dinner Thanksgiving turkey. That's the only prime

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<v Speaker 3>of year I can afford it. But his sisters and

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<v Speaker 3>nephew will be here, and that'll be nice. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>the best cook, to tell you, but it's more having

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<v Speaker 3>everybody together and happy. That's the best part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Ricky's a very affectionate person. When he comes in and

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<v Speaker 3>hugs me, it's best stealing in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel lucky.

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<v Speaker 3>You're blessed every time I look at him.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Hey, Ricky, how are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I am doing good?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you see good?

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<v Speaker 3>Hi? Laura?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about those first moments of freedom, what it

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<v Speaker 1>felt like to walk up those doors longtime con Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen the video.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people there.

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<v Speaker 1>That I saw you eating some pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you went right for the comfort food.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what are your top is of choice?

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<v Speaker 2>Lagusa, all the good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see your mom much these days?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>I do. Yeah, I love her very much.

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<v Speaker 1>I just thank seeing her. Since we're talking about food

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<v Speaker 1>and pizza and everything else. Is there something your mom

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<v Speaker 1>makes for you, something she used to cook that you

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<v Speaker 1>missed and that she can make for you again, Not

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<v Speaker 1>that you're out.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a funny story for that, you know. A

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<v Speaker 3>few days after I was out, I tell her. You know, Mam,

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<v Speaker 3>I vision waking up in the morning if you couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>net breakfast, And she says, while you were envisioning this,

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<v Speaker 3>did you vision a different mom?

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Strong to the end. I love it.

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