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Speaker 1: Good Saturday morning, on this April fourth, the thirty seventh

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Speaker 1: day of the American War in Iran. With me this morning,

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Speaker 1: Ken Harbaugh from The Ken Harbaugh Show, and Malcolm Nance

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Speaker 1: black Man, Spy gentlemen, Good morning, Good morning, Steve Ken.

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Speaker 1: We talked about on an earlier show the inevitability, the

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Speaker 1: likelihood that an American aircraft would be shot down over Iran.

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Speaker 1: That has happened. An F fifteen Eagle, a two seater

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Speaker 1: warplane carries a pilot and a backseater, the electronics warfare officer,

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Speaker 1: the weapons officer, and one of the two crew have

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Speaker 1: been recovered, the other has not. What is going on

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Speaker 1: right now inside the Navy, inside the excuse me, it's

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Speaker 1: an air Force plane in F fifteen, so it's an

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Speaker 1: air Force pilot that went down. What is going on

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Speaker 1: in the military. What's going on in the training of

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Speaker 1: the pilot who's on the ground alone. What's happening?

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Speaker 2: Well, Malcolm and I called it, We said, this is

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Speaker 2: the nightmare scenario. And if up until this incident there

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Speaker 2: were off ramps for the Trump administration, those have been

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Speaker 2: severely limited. We got someone on the ground now evading

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Speaker 2: Iranian capture, and we have open source intelligence reports that

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Speaker 2: there's a bounty out for this. I think it's the wizzo,

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Speaker 2: the weapon systems officer. They got the pilot out, but

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Speaker 2: right now Air Force CSAR Combat Search and Rescue is

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Speaker 2: running those laps looking for this wizzo. You see the

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Speaker 2: shot of the C one thirty, which is probably the

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Speaker 2: command center for the CESAR op also refueling the Pavehawks,

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Speaker 2: the H sixties that have the pjs on board, and

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Speaker 2: those I tell you, the pjs were the guys that

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Speaker 2: never had to buy a drink at the bar. If

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Speaker 2: you're a pilot in the bar and you sat next

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Speaker 2: to a PJ, you're buying them drinks all night. Because

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Speaker 2: they are the bravest people in the Air Force.

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Speaker 3: They go in.

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Speaker 2: They go in after Navy pilots too, and Marines, anybody

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Speaker 2: caught behind enemy lines. It's the pj's job to go

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Speaker 2: in on those pave Hawks, low to the ground and

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Speaker 2: pull those downed aviators out. They are the most some

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Speaker 2: of the most highly trained people in the Air Force.

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Speaker 2: But you got to understand that an F fifteen E

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Speaker 2: Strike Eagle is probably dropping bombs from pretty high up.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was, it was something special that knocked

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Speaker 2: this F fifteen out of the sky. But at this

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Speaker 2: point you're in a totally different domain of warfare. It

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Speaker 2: is Pandora's box opened. When you have pavedhawks flying low,

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Speaker 2: when you have C one thirties that are taking fire

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Speaker 2: from AK forty seven's, We're not just talking about now

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Speaker 2: one pilot or Whizzo aviator that has to be rescued.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about an entire package that is exposed and

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Speaker 2: their right to do it this way. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: Russians would never risk this much for a single aviator.

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Speaker 3: We do it because we.

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Speaker 2: Bring our people home. But things can spiral out of

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Speaker 2: control incredibly, incredibly quickly. I would love to hear Malcolm's

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Speaker 2: take on what that aviator is actually going through, because

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Speaker 2: while I went through SEER as a as a student

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Speaker 2: and I experienced the training, Malcolm actually ran it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: SEER stands for vival, evasion, resistance, and escape, and that

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Speaker 5: is the moment where guys like Ken Harbaugh, who are pilots,

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Speaker 5: who are jet jockeys or prop job pilots or special

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Speaker 5: operations soldiers get caught behind enemy lines due to circumstances

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Speaker 5: beyond their control. They get shot down, they have a

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Speaker 5: mechanical malfunction, the aircraft goes down, they get separated from

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Speaker 5: their group, and they are now what we say, you

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Speaker 5: know lost right, which is looking over strange terrain. So

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Speaker 5: they have a protocol that takes place when they shift

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Speaker 5: from their day job, which is flying an F eighteen

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Speaker 5: and they get ejected or they have to bail out,

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Speaker 5: or they crash land behind enemy lines, their job changes

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Speaker 5: to what we call a survivor. First you have to

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Speaker 5: survive the ejection, survive the down on enemy terrain, and

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Speaker 5: then you become an evader. Evader, right, your job is

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Speaker 5: to stay away from the enemy, maintain your health, communicate,

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Speaker 5: evade away from the enemy. And so what we do

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Speaker 5: is when you're on that silk, when you're on your parachute,

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Speaker 5: your job is over for job one flying airplanes.

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Speaker 4: Your job now is to get on.

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Speaker 5: The ground, get to a safe, secure location away from

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Speaker 5: wherever your parachute and your ejection seat comes down at,

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Speaker 4: What you brought on your body, and then.

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Speaker 5: Move slowly away from that area to a secure location

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Speaker 5: to where enemy forces who will be looking for you

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Speaker 5: to the Combat Search and Rescue Coordination aircraft, which was

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Speaker 5: that C one thirty Compass Call or a C one

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Speaker 5: thirty Combat Talent aircraft or whatever aircraft is designated. Pilots

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Speaker 5: carry a system, a new system called the PRC one

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Speaker 5: one two G the PRICK one twelve G Survival Radio.

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Speaker 5: And it's not like the old radios where you just

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Speaker 4: This has satellite communications.

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Speaker 5: You can send messages up like text messages, They can

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Speaker 5: for you to go to. They can guide you. And

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Speaker 5: then if you get within visual range of an aircraft

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Speaker 4: A regular radio channels.

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Speaker 5: So that's what the pilot did, both the pilot and

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Speaker 5: the wso the weapons systems officer did, but they got separated.

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Speaker 5: The first team came in got the pilot got shot

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Speaker 5: at left because we generally don't like to try to

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Speaker 5: do double pickups, and then they could not get to

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Speaker 5: the wso, so now he is evade or she is evading,

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Speaker 5: and you are waiting to get in there, whether it's

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Speaker 5: conventional with helicopters or unconventional with seals, CIA officers, Israeli intelligence,

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Speaker 5: you know, people that we can trust and then get

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Speaker 5: them out by helicopter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the go ahead? Ken?

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Speaker 2: I was just going to reiterate how many new variables

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Speaker 2: are injected at this point. It's not again, it's not

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Speaker 2: just a pilot on the ground, it's an entire package

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Speaker 2: that is flying low now, exposed every second to enemy fire,

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Speaker 2: and this could very well spiral. We've got those reports

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Speaker 2: that the pavehawks that got the first pilot were hit,

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Speaker 2: and that pilot might have even been.

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Speaker 3: Hit inside the pave hawks.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not confident at all that this isn't going

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Speaker 2: to get much worse.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, And we had news this week that I

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Speaker 1: am not surprised about, but it was shocking to hear, nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: which was the summary firing of the US Army Chief

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Speaker 1: of Staff, four star officer Chief of the US Army

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Speaker 1: immediate retirement. What was your reaction, Malcolm when you heard

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, what's the scuttle but on what the

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Speaker 5: Well, first off, I don't know if anybody noticed, but

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Speaker 5: out and firing the senior top officer of the US Army.

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Speaker 5: The Chief of Staff of the Armed Force of the

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Speaker 5: Army is the top officer in the army. He is

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Speaker 5: part of the joint staff. He is not, you know,

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Speaker 5: a field combat commander. He doesn't give orders, but he

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Speaker 5: literally sets the guide work below the Secretary of the

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Speaker 5: Army for now the army is run right. Here's what

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Speaker 5: they're saying about him. He was fired by Pete hag

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Speaker 5: Seth because he was a He was seen as favorable

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Speaker 5: during the Biden administration. He would not repeatedly fire black

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Speaker 5: these people served some thirty years each and promoted based

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Speaker 5: on merit in the armed forces. And he hates Look,

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Speaker 5: Pete Hegseth is a white supremacist.

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Speaker 4: Period done. And he hates black people.

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Speaker 5: He hates women, and he does not believe they should

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Speaker 5: be in the Armed Forces. General Stanley McCrystal, former commander

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Speaker 5: of US Special Operations command just one week ago said

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Speaker 5: that Pete hag Seth was nothing more than a disgraced

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Speaker 5: major who was kicked out of the DC Nation Guard,

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Speaker 5: who has chosen as Secretary of Defense because he was

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Speaker 5: a personal favorite of Donald Trump, who also refused to

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Speaker 5: stand next to a black female officer at Arlington National Cemetery,

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Speaker 5: and she was in command of the unit that ran

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Speaker 4: So let's just be straight here.

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Speaker 5: We have racism and white supremacy flying left and right,

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Speaker 5: and they don't care if this hurts the good order

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Speaker 4: It's insane, Steve.

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Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with the successful prosecution of

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Speaker 2: the war. I could possibly understand it if it was

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Speaker 2: analogous to Lincoln firing me to get a better commander

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Speaker 2: in wartime. This is about the president not wanting to

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Speaker 2: stand next to a black female general. There were four

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Speaker 2: promotions on that promotion board of African Americans and women

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Speaker 2: that Pete heg Seth struck, and to his enormous credit

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Speaker 2: the chief of staff. The chief of staff said, this

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Speaker 2: is a line for me. These people deserve those promotions,

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Speaker 2: and I know you can only fall on your sword once,

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Speaker 2: but this seems like an appropriate time to do it,

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Speaker 2: but in the middle of a war, it just again

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Speaker 2: is a damning indictment of heg Seth's utter incompetence and

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there's no possibility that this is

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Speaker 1: in reaction to a proposed airborne invasion or any type

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Speaker 1: Army Chief of Staff thinks is madness. You're certain that

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Speaker 1: the resignation and the firing and the way that it

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Speaker 2: I'm fairly confident. There's no way to be totally certain.

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Speaker 2: But if you look at Pete Hegseth's pattern in this area,

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Speaker 2: he makes these culture war decisions almost whimsically, and this

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Speaker 2: is in that same vein. I mean, I could almost

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Speaker 2: respect it if it was a difference over strategy, but

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Speaker 2: it is a difference born of his deep seated inherent racism.

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Speaker 2: And I think I think that's enough of an explanation here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, look, yeah, sorry, Steve.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, Malcolm.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say he also fired the top chaplain

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Speaker 5: black male, a black man who was from an evangelical

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Speaker 5: Baptist denomination. But Pete Headset is a white supremacist evangelical

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Speaker 5: and he just summarily fired him the top chaplain in

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Speaker 5: the Armed forces. And there's word out that he will

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Speaker 5: to remake the chaplain's core into an evangelical organization that

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Speaker 5: will be prostolytizing the members of the armed forces to

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Speaker 5: support evangelical white supremacist activities. This is just mind boggling. Yet, look,

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Speaker 5: the commander, this chief of staff of the Army may

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Speaker 5: have done what we say in the Navy on my rank.

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Speaker 5: In the Navy, we have anchors, and when we're ready

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Speaker 5: to end our careers over.

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Speaker 4: What's right and wrong, we call it dropping our anchors.

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Speaker 5: I think this guy, through his stars down was like,

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Speaker 5: bring it right, what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 4: Destroy me?

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna have things to say when this is done.

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Speaker 5: I hope that when this is all over and done

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Speaker 5: with in twenty twenty nine, we get a new president.

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Speaker 5: I think one of the first acts of a new

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Speaker 5: president who has common sense would be to reinstate every

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Speaker 5: general or flag officer who is fired under Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: back to their position, give them four years of back

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Speaker 5: pay and allow them to reinvent the army and rein

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Speaker 5: still honor indignity to the service.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'd be funny, you should mention this. I've given

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Speaker 1: Why why have we not heard from senior, retired, well

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Speaker 5: you know, don't be picking down into these stars or

439
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Speaker 5: coming out with some civilian psycho fans, like the guy

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Speaker 5: who's Secretary of the Army, who I understand is about.

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Speaker 4: To be kicked out.

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Speaker 5: Driscoll was like a captain in the army and they

443
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Speaker 5: made him secretary of the Army. I'm a I'm a

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Speaker 5: senior enlisted I'm not qualified for any of those jobs.

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Speaker 5: And now they want to The guy who they chose

446
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Speaker 5: a secretary of the Navy had an erotic art collection

447
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 5: that Trump liked, who has never even seen a sail boat.

448
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 5: So this psycho fancy for civilians at the top of

449
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Speaker 5: the government, maybe that's what needs to end, you know,

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Speaker 5: and that the civilians we choose have experience in those fields.

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Speaker 3: No argument here.

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Speaker 4: It's a.

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Speaker 1: Question that you raised earlier. It's about character, and you

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Speaker 1: talked about the honor integrity of the of the force,

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Speaker 1: and I yeah, and I just think just talking about

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Speaker 1: young men in general, I'm gonna try to do this

457
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Speaker 1: off the top of my head. I'm gonna see if

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Speaker 1: I might screw it up. I was an eagle Scout.

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Speaker 1: I'm a sinner. I'm not I'm not a holier than

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Speaker 1: now person. But I know that, and I'm conscious of that.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in a different era and in that

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Speaker 1: different era as a as a boy. If you were

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Speaker 1: involved in these organizations and millions were, you were steeped

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Speaker 1: in some concepts. And you know, for the Scout was trustworthy, loyal, helpful, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean,

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Speaker 1: and reverent. I think were the things you were trying

466
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Speaker 1: you were trying to trying to be trying to aspire to.

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Speaker 1: You have the most loathsome character conceivably imaginable in Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump as the commander in chief of an institution for institutions,

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Speaker 1: the Navy, the Army and the Marine Corps that are

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Speaker 1: steeped in values, steeped in the values of honor and integrity.

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Speaker 1: He's been president twice. I tend to look at this

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Speaker 1: through the prism of we the people, have imposed Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump on these institutions, right, Donald Trump didn't do it

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Speaker 1: to the Marine Corps, the Navy, or the army. We

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Speaker 1: did it right. We made them the commander in chief. Right.

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Speaker 1: Forty nine and a half percent. We have these institutions

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Speaker 1: that everybody claims to esteem. We we we we let

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Speaker 1: the soldier, the sailor, the airman, the marine on the

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Speaker 1: plane ahead of the million mile flyer. We have all

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Speaker 1: of these performative attributes. But we will let that young

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Speaker 1: soldier on the plane first, right, But we'll vote for

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump to be his commander, to be his to

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Speaker 1: be his commander in chief. Day day one, going into

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon, after four years of this eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: years in total, thinking thinking about the force. But where

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Speaker 1: where where do you start, senior chief?

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Speaker 4: Well, day one, day one.

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Speaker 5: The first thing you got to think of is one

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Speaker 5: You're going to have to do a perch. This is

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Speaker 5: going to have another perch.

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Speaker 1: I want, I want to ask you I'm gonna ask you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you a Predie.

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Speaker 1: You've convinced me on Millie Milli is the Secretary of Defense.

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Speaker 1: But the compromise here is is I mean it, it's

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Speaker 1: the last one. It's we're not going to have another

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Speaker 1: four start. In fact, we're putting it into legislation. We're

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Speaker 1: not We're not having another unless there unless we got

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Speaker 1: a George Marshall out there again, we're not. We're not

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Speaker 1: having We're not having another general as the as the

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Speaker 1: secretary of Defense. So I've so, I've made you along

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Speaker 1: with Millie, we have one of the most outstanding executives

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Speaker 1: in the country. Is the is the Undersecretary of Defense,

503
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Speaker 1: is the deputy secretary. But but where so, so we

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Speaker 1: have that guy who understands the military as a career officer.

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Speaker 1: Where where do we start?

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Speaker 5: If you're going to put this in the legislation, please

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Speaker 5: put in the legislation actual standards for the person who

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Speaker 5: is chosen as these positions. Say that if you want

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Speaker 5: to handle a trillion dollar budget, you have to be

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Speaker 5: a person who is handled at least one hundred million

511
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Speaker 5: dollars one hundred billion dollars right, who knows how to

512
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Speaker 5: handle money, who has some industry or a former you know,

513
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Speaker 5: and you can even be you could even be a

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Speaker 5: major in the National Guard, but you better have handled

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Speaker 5: one hundred million dollars right, and that they have some standard.

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Speaker 5: Same thing for secretary of the Navy. You have some

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Speaker 5: association with the navy. Other than that you have a

518
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Speaker 5: you know, rubber ducks in your bathtub. And this is

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Speaker 5: the problem everybody wants to you know, the you know,

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Speaker 5: have these people who are chosen through the friendship of

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Speaker 5: the president based on the integrity of the president. What

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Speaker 5: if you got to legislate so that if a president

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Speaker 5: has no integrity, the legislation.

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Speaker 4: Will make sure that person's there. And you saw what

525
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Speaker 4: he did with Tulci Gabbert.

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Speaker 5: She wasn't qualified to be Director of National Intelligence.

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Speaker 4: All people was qualified.

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Speaker 2: She was not.

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Speaker 1: All of these people are All of these people are

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Speaker 1: unfit beyond beyond measure. But but talk talk to me,

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Speaker 1: guys about where do you start on the honor, the integrity,

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Speaker 1: the restoration of ethics, lawful lawful warfare as concepts that

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Speaker 1: that are that are that are seriously held with with

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Speaker 1: with the allies I mean where, where where do you

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Speaker 1: start looking? Where this will be?

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Speaker 3: I think you have to start. Yeah, it's not complete.

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Speaker 4: Let me finish my last thought.

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Speaker 5: I would reswear in everybody in the armed forces and

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Speaker 5: we would have a constitution only day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say exactly the same thing Steve

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Speaker 2: about teaching the Constitution. It is unconsonable that we ask

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Speaker 2: young men and women in this country to swear their

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Speaker 2: lives to a document, to pledge to support and defend it,

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Speaker 2: and die if necessary in supporting and defending it, and

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Speaker 2: don't ask them to read it, much less understand it.

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Speaker 2: I made a movie about this that was the number

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Speaker 2: one documentary in the country after looking at January sixth,

549
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Speaker 2: than the number of veterans who participated in an attempt

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Speaker 2: to overthrow our government and who thought they were on

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Speaker 2: the right side, who thought they were the ones supporting

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Speaker 2: and defending the constitution because they didn't understand it. Even

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Speaker 2: as an OCS graduate, I understand at the academies and

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Speaker 2: at ROTC you get some rudimentary training in the Constitution,

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Speaker 2: but that's probably it. At Officer candidate school, I wasn't

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Speaker 2: asked to read the document that I was about to

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Speaker 2: pledge my life to defend Malcolm. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: they do much at boot camp or a school, but

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Speaker 2: it's not enough. It's certainly not enough when you have

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Speaker 2: the oathkeepers composed primarily of veterans who think they're the

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Speaker 2: ones defending the constitution. I think we need to get

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Speaker 2: back to that basic principle. The oath of office is

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Speaker 2: to the Constitution, not to a president, certainly not to

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Speaker 2: a Christian nationalist ideal for this country. But it seems

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Speaker 2: like we have been infected by these competing these competing loyalties,

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Speaker 2: and the loyalty can be the only one thing, which

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Speaker 2: is the Constitution.

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00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Also, to be honest, I think that there has to

570
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Speaker 5: be a call out. You know, the problem with progressives

571
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Speaker 5: never trumpers, people who are middle of the road. I

572
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 5: was conservative most of my life is that we want

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Speaker 5: to move on.

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Speaker 4: It cannot happen this time.

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Speaker 5: We have to literally throw Maga up there with the

576
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Speaker 5: klu Klux Klan and all the rest, and the people

577
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Speaker 5: in service who buy that want to get out. Get out.

578
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Speaker 5: We have to have a constitution, only a constitutionally loyal force,

579
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Speaker 5: right and explain why this was bad? Why January sixth

580
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Speaker 5: was bad, you know, and people say, WHOA, you're politicizing

581
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Speaker 5: the Armed forces. It's political now, it's political. And I've

582
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Speaker 5: got people up there in the members of the Armed

583
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Speaker 5: Forces today telling me Trump is the greatest president that's

584
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Speaker 5: ever lived. Really, you never heard of Washington, You never

585
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 5: heard of Lincoln, you never heard of Kennedy or Fdr.

586
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Speaker 4: Truman fought in World War One.

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Speaker 5: Eisenhower was Supreme Commander of World War Two. It's time

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Speaker 5: to recalibrate the Armed Forces back to being American force

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Speaker 5: with American values.

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Speaker 1: How important do you think it would be day one

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Speaker 1: for an order to come down that pulls the plug

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Speaker 1: on Fox News being played in every pax on every

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Speaker 1: base and every officers club NCO club. Right, that's under

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Speaker 1: the jurisdiction of the commander of the base and thus

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Speaker 1: the chain of command. I would do that in a second.

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Speaker 2: Yeah done, Yeah, I would too. I it would have

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Speaker 2: to be. The messaging would be all important. But Fox

598
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Speaker 2: News is a is a propaganda outlet. It has no

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Speaker 2: place infecting the minds of especially you know, more impressionable

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Speaker 2: soldiers and sailors in the in the ward rooms and

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Speaker 2: mess halls. I mean, it's played on aircraft carriers, and

602
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Speaker 2: it has no business there, and it puts the lie

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Speaker 2: to this notion that there's some type of liberal cultural

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Speaker 2: dominance in this country. You go to any truck stop

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Speaker 2: in America, it's not MSNBC that's playing in the you know,

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Speaker 2: in the in the dining room there. You go to

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Speaker 2: most wardrooms across this country, and look, I've've been to

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Speaker 2: them recently. It's still Fox News. We are fighting an

609
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Speaker 2: uphill battle against this disinformation campaign.

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Speaker 1: I'll sink this bullshit out of the military in a year.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: I think so. And here's how you do it.

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Speaker 5: Okay, there are three resources which when I was a

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Speaker 5: young sailor, way back when, in the oldie days, you know,

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Speaker 5: the early eighties, we had these resources and we just

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Speaker 5: don't use them. No public, no commercial cable television channels

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Speaker 5: on armed forces stations. Right, you can do that on

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Speaker 5: your own time, on your own don We had AFN

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Speaker 5: Armed Forces Network, and I would take Armed Forces Network.

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Speaker 5: We have all these journalists, we have all these military

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Speaker 5: people and have them re introduce the stories of what's.

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Speaker 4: Going on in the force.

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Speaker 5: We had the Stars and Stripes newspaper, which Trump tried

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Speaker 5: to shut down in his first term. He also tried

625
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Speaker 5: to shut it down last year. Now he wants them

626
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Speaker 5: to purge themselves of journalists. Stars and Stripes should be

627
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Speaker 5: the only document that's allowed to be sold on military basis.

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Speaker 5: And because I used to I remember going into any

629
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Speaker 5: base around the world, Diego Garcia would have two day

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Speaker 5: old Starts and Stripes float in from Japan and we

631
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Speaker 5: would read.

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Speaker 4: That because it had Calvin and Hobbs. But it educated

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Speaker 4: us to a certain extent.

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Speaker 5: And of course, is Radio Liberty Radio Free Europe, which

635
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Speaker 5: legislation said that it cannot be used and couldnt be

636
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 5: broadcast in the United States bullshit. That needs to be

637
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Speaker 5: changed to where it will become an independent organization.

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Speaker 4: That is operated by United States government dollars.

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Speaker 5: Pass legislation so that no future White House can change it, right,

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Speaker 5: and then you make those three organizations the only place

641
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Speaker 5: that US government workers are allowed to have access to

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Speaker 5: during the daytime.

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Speaker 1: One of the challenges I've talked about on these shows

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Speaker 1: and these programs, if you've run political campaigns, one of

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00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: the things you got to figure out how to do

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00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: is connect with people on how much things cost and

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Speaker 1: try to convince them that there's a relation between what

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Speaker 1: they pay in taxes to what things cost, and that

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Speaker 1: something that's a billion or a trillion is something that

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Speaker 1: should matter to them, even though mostly people can't comprehend

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Speaker 1: what a billion and a trillion is. And so this

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Speaker 1: is the best method that I have ever come up with,

653
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Speaker 1: though there may be a better one for explaining the

654
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Speaker 1: difference between a million and a billion or a trillion.

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Speaker 1: One that resonates with me, which is that if I said, guys,

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Speaker 1: will see you in a million seconds, that's twelve days

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Speaker 1: from now. And if I said see in a billion seconds,

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Speaker 1: that's in thirty two years. And if I say I'll

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Speaker 1: see in a brillion seconds, that's in thirty two thousand years.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference between a billion and a trillion. So

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Speaker 1: we have a trillion dollar defense budget, which is a

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Speaker 1: relatively new phenomenon. Haveing crested that number. We have a

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Speaker 1: trillion dollar defense budget that it is not possible, has

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Speaker 1: not been possible for the Defense Department to pass an

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Speaker 1: audit right It's it's too big to audit at some level.

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Speaker 1: And now the Department of Defense, with this last Trump

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Speaker 1: budget is a trillion and a half request. And Malcolm

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Speaker 1: you said earlier, you said, you know, you don't come

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Speaker 1: from a progressive background. You're a US Navy senior chief.

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Speaker 1: You said you considered yourself a conservative. My politics was

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Speaker 1: always I was a moderate, but I was a fiscal conservative,

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Speaker 1: and I still think of myself as a fiscal conservative.

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Speaker 1: I would I would chop my hand off before I

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Speaker 1: voted for a trillion and a half dollar Pentagon budget

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Speaker 1: if I if I was in the Congress. But the

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Speaker 1: fact that Trump is asking for half a trillion dollars

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Speaker 1: in addition to the trillion dollars that we've just recently crushed,

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Speaker 1: it's just, it's just, it's incomprehensible. It is an incomprehensible

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Speaker 1: and staggering amount of money. What and by the way,

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Speaker 1: we're producing how many surface ships this year? How many

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Speaker 1: submarines are coming off the line, how many cruisers, how

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Speaker 1: many destroyers, how many how many frigates, how many tanks,

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Speaker 1: how many aircraft are being me I mean, it is

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Speaker 1: it is a number that that that that frankly exceeds comprehension.

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction to it?

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Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, In that trillion and a half

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Speaker 4: dollar budget, I may be.

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Speaker 5: An old salty as senior chief, but I know how

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Speaker 5: to effing read, and I've had to manage budgets myself

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Speaker 5: with my sailors. There are forty two forty two forty

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Speaker 5: two Trump class battleships, which isn't a thing. It doesn't exist.

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Speaker 5: It's a painting concept paint that is being laid out

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Speaker 5: in that budget.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 1: There's money led. There's not even a naval drawing right,

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Speaker 1: There's not a navl there's not a there's a concept.

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Speaker 5: Painting that was done on check GPT right, and we

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Speaker 5: at the same time he cancels the Constellations class frigate,

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Speaker 5: which we desperately need, desperately. The purge needs to be

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Speaker 5: absolute right. All decisions made in the previous four years

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Speaker 5: are gonna be overridden. The F forty seven fighter is

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Speaker 5: gonna be made some other number than the F forty seven.

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Speaker 5: These are vanity projects of madness. They are out there.

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Speaker 5: Pete Hegseth is believed to have actually traded on this.

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Speaker 5: I would say the US government military budget needs to

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Speaker 5: be rolled back right.

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Speaker 4: First fiscal year.

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Speaker 5: You are being rolled back to twenty twenty, right, and

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Speaker 5: you are going to have to operate within that budget.

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Speaker 4: All defense contracts.

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Speaker 5: Are gonna be reviewed and gonna be frozen for a

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Speaker 5: minimum of six months. Right, every gap that came from

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Speaker 5: this insane white House is gonna be purged.

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Speaker 4: So if you guys got lead time money. Oh and

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Speaker 4: one other thing that I would do, This is why

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Speaker 4: I should be in Congress.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: The other thing that I would do is we're gonna

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Speaker 4: claw back dollars.

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Speaker 5: We're going back and if we find the slightest waste,

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Speaker 5: fraud and abuse, we are going to petition and sue

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Speaker 5: you for it, right, or will just eliminate you as

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Speaker 5: a defense contractor what they tried to do to you know, uh,

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Speaker 5: to the company that did AI its name is Gatesman

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Speaker 5: right now anthropic right by designating them an enemy of

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Speaker 5: the United States up there on par with Chinese intelligence

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Speaker 5: because what they wouldn't kick back money to you or

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Speaker 5: wouldn't meet your ideological goals. Anyone that maintains an honor

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Speaker 5: standard IGS can show us where the money spent.

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Speaker 4: You're getting it. But again, other things need to happen.

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Speaker 5: To nationalized SpaceX, nationalized Talenteer, nationalized anyone you know that

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Speaker 5: was a vassal state, of Donald Trump and.

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Speaker 3: Steve this one point.

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Speaker 2: This trillion plus dollar budget isn't even buying us a

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Speaker 2: military that is suited to the modern battlefield. That's the

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Speaker 2: worst part of it. Look, I could accept that we

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Speaker 2: need to spend a lot of money on our military

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Speaker 2: if it worked, But we can't even stop a twenty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars head from breaking through all of our defenses

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Speaker 2: and hitting a base in Kuwait with no overhead protection.

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Speaker 2: We are shooting down twenty thousand dollars drones with million

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Speaker 2: dollar interceptors, sometimes two and three of them. We are

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Speaker 2: losing the next war as it is unfolding in front

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Speaker 2: of our eyes. And I would venture to say this

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Speaker 2: might be sticking my neck out too far. But the

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Speaker 2: best military in the world right now in terms of

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Speaker 2: their efficiency and their ability to spend dollars wisely and

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Speaker 2: their ability to take on a superpower is Ukraine. There

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Speaker 2: was an exercise against NATO that involved ten Ukrainian drone operators,

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Speaker 2: Operation Hedgehog in twenty twenty five last year, and the Ukrainians,

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Speaker 2: with ten people, decimated NATO armored brigades. We're walking into

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Speaker 2: that with our eyes shut, and we are seeing the

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Speaker 2: effects of it in the war with Iran right now,

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Speaker 2: where we have no answer to these cheap drones that

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Speaker 2: they're sending in swarms to attack population centers much less

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Speaker 2: American basis. We can't even keep our troops on base

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East right now, We're putting them up

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Speaker 2: in hotels. We can't even position our carrier battle groups

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Speaker 2: where they need to be because we are so unprepared

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Speaker 2: for the drone threat and the modern battlefield. And we

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Speaker 2: want and we're expected to give the Pentagon another one

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Speaker 2: point five trillion dollars.

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Speaker 3: It makes no sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable, unbelievable moment of incompetence and lunacy. I wrote

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Speaker 1: about this today. There's a FEMA senior executive who claims

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Speaker 1: to have been teleported by the hand.

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Speaker 2: Of God to a We can't disprove it, Steve.

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Speaker 1: One evening and no, it cannot be disproven. The New

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Speaker 1: York Times did an investigation, went and interviewed all of

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Speaker 1: the personnel at all three room Georgia waffle Houses, and

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Speaker 1: none have any reelection recollection of his manifesting suddenly in

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Speaker 1: the restaurant fifty miles from home. There it is no

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Speaker 1: one at waffle House remembers FEMA official who says he

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Speaker 1: teleported in. But that guy is no bigger a whack

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Speaker 1: job than Pam Bondy or Christy Nome or Pete Hegsath

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Speaker 1: or Cash Patel or Robert Kennedy or any of these people.

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Speaker 1: And so government of the people, by the people, for

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Speaker 1: the people, uh, by we the people has become government

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Speaker 1: of the whack job, by the whack job, for the

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Speaker 1: whack job. Yeah, and the clean up of that, I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't know how you achieve it. I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure where you start. It's like looking at

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Speaker 1: the hurricane clean up. What's the first ship you pick up?

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Speaker 1: You gotta start, you gotta start somewhere. Yeah, the Bulldozer.

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Speaker 1: I personally think it's the it's with the it's with

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Speaker 1: the it's with the East Wing and this emboxed stuff.

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Speaker 1: But wow, I mean, there's just no way through this

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Speaker 1: without introducing the concept of character back into the back

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Speaker 1: into the culture. It's that we're just living this era

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Speaker 1: of confluence with social media and artificial intelligence and the

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Speaker 1: corrupt corporate media and MAGA and the twenty first century,

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Speaker 1: and it's all collided into a character of apocalypse and here

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Speaker 1: we are. But I just can't help but think that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to sail in that direction in order

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Speaker 1: to figure out the right route to fixing all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: But at any rate, Malcolm, last word for you on

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Speaker 1: A thirty seven. What should we look forward to in

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Speaker 1: the next week? And the issue we didn't talk about today,

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Speaker 1: but I suspect we all think is bearing down is

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Speaker 1: the escalation where we will see a introduction of regular

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Speaker 1: combat forces marine US Army into the theater of operations

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Speaker 1: sometime soon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: What was missing in the conversation yes today for most

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Speaker 5: Americans is the fact that we lost the F fifteen

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Speaker 5: to E over southwest Iran. We lost an A ten

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Speaker 5: Warthog aircraft over the Strait of Hormuz, most likely to

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Speaker 5: a shoulder fired missile on an Iranian Revolutionary Guard patrol boat.

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Speaker 5: A second one was damaged and had its engine blown off.

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Speaker 5: That was what was missing in all this discussion about

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Speaker 5: the F fifteen. More aircraft were shot down and damaged

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Speaker 5: yesterday than any day in the war. The Iranians are

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Speaker 5: adapting now, and I think they have a national strategy

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Speaker 5: to escalate US losses. Trump is going to lash out,

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Speaker 5: and that may be invading the southern straight of Hormuz Islands,

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Speaker 5: invading Carg Island, like he put out in his truth

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Speaker 5: social tweet where he flip flopped from just the night before,

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Speaker 5: now he wants to take Carg Island in their oil.

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Speaker 5: We are looking at mental illness disguised.

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Speaker 4: As foreign policy, so expect it to get worse.

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Speaker 1: Captain Quig meets Gallipoli, Ken Ah, what.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna channel Seth Moulten here, who I think had

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Speaker 2: the best quote of the week. When asked to help

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Speaker 2: us understand the mindset of Donald Trump, he said, I

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Speaker 2: can't help you there.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a child psychologist.

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Speaker 1: Damn well, people ask me all the time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: over these many years, I've given that answer off, and

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Speaker 1: which is, why do you think Trump is doing this?

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Speaker 1: No idea. I'm not a psychiatrist. I know I don't

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Speaker 1: run a mental health facility. Well again, always a great

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Speaker 1: way to spend an hour on Saturday morning with all

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Speaker 1: of you, and thanks for all of our guests You've

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Speaker 1: gotten on Malcolm nan At black Man Spy, Ken Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: So many of these issues are steeped in values, and

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Speaker 1: you can't talk about values without talking about character. And

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Speaker 1: you can't talk about any of these people, from Trump

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Speaker 1: to hagsath On down without talking about the character apocalypse.

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Speaker 1: And so we are looking at damage being done to

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Speaker 1: our country, across our country, to the American people, to

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Speaker 1: so many different people, to so many of our different institutions.

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Speaker 1: But the institutions of the military in this country go

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Speaker 1: back to all the way before the beginning. Remember everybody

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Speaker 1: that the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps are all

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Speaker 1: already two hundred and fifty years old. They had that

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Speaker 1: birthday last year. These institutions are older than the the

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Speaker 1: United States of America, and they are precious, and they

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Speaker 1: are vital, and they are deeply, deeply, deeply important for

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Speaker 1: the future of the country. And what's happening to them,

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Speaker 1: the vandalizing of them, in my mind, exceeds by orders

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Speaker 1: of magnitude the very serious vandalism at a lot of

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Speaker 1: other important institutions, but none, none remotely approaching the national

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Speaker 1: importance of the United States Army, the United States, the

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Speaker 1: United States Marine Corps, the United States Air Force, the

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Speaker 1: United States Coast Guard, which have all been desecrated and

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Speaker 1: at some level hobbled by the the lack of honor,

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Speaker 1: the lack of integrity, the lack of judgment, and the

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Speaker 1: lack of competence that has been imposed on them by

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Speaker 1: the American people with the most reckless vote in American history,

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Speaker 1: which was the one to make Donald Trump for the

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Speaker 1: second time the commander in chief of those armed forces.

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Speaker 1: And so here we are at war. Here we are

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Speaker 1: in a war that is quickly becoming a quagmire with

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Speaker 1: no way back and no way out but through. And

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Speaker 1: we'll continue to talk about it every Saturday throughout these

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Speaker 1: days of crisis. I'm Steve Schmidt with the warning Malcolm

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Speaker 1: Nance black Man, Spy Ken Harbaugh of the Ken Harbaugh Show,

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Speaker 1: two of the best, Please subscribe to them. Pay attention

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Speaker 1: to what they are saying. You will be smarter, your

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Speaker 1: friends will be smart, and your family will fight less

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Speaker 1: because you will all agree with one another about the

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Speaker 1: things we should all agree with one another about. Have

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Speaker 1: a good afternoon, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Thanks everyone,