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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the solid Burbo boys and girls. My

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Speaker 3: in beautiful New York City the one and only Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 2: Sir, sir, how are you? I'm great, Ty, I am great.

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Speaker 2: I just took a shower, and when I take showers

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Speaker 3: I have yet to shower today. This sort of dichotomy

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Speaker 3: will be on full display as we record today's playoff

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Speaker 2: Dan, Okay, I'm trying to tie it into something related

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Speaker 2: to the playoff, Like the absence of cleanliness on you

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Speaker 2: is sort of the absence of consistent play from Oklahoma

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Speaker 2: all season long, Like you really drop the ball, like

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Speaker 3: No, it's it needs work. We could roll through this

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Speaker 3: way we've been doing this, all of our Bowl previews

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Speaker 1: Dan we had over thirteen hundred entries in that.

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Speaker 2: Yes we did. And my system of going with the

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Speaker 2: we going to be We're not recapping games on this show.

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Speaker 2: We're more looking forward to the playoff and discussing early

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Speaker 2: National Signing Day. But we are recording this after the

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Speaker 3: I can't keep all of this straight time, I know,

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Speaker 2: In any case, I am quite excited for these playoff matchups,

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Speaker 2: the playoff matchups, Dan, why don't we start there? But

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Speaker 2: Yes, So the easiest case to make is LSU most

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Speaker 2: I don't think it'll be necessarily reminiscent of the Rose

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Speaker 1: No, so it isn't. It isn't.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to take the points. I think there's too

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Speaker 2: Excuse me to think that LSU runs away like they

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Speaker 3: As my final scorer. I had a good friend of

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Speaker 3: I'm not buying into that. Because LSU's been playing in

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Speaker 2: They're familiar with it. But this is a whole different thing.

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Speaker 2: But we do agree here. We do agree on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do like that we've gotten to a place

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Speaker 3: We're going to get an angry email about that one.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's okay, We've already gotten the angry Georgia ones.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god? So is there any other kind? Also,

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Speaker 2: The gift suite includes a three hundred and ninety dollars

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Speaker 2: That was great, So it was good. Those are my

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Speaker 3: Okay, Moving on the PlayStation, the Festibal playing host to

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Speaker 3: We have the Clemson Tigers defending national champions at thirteen

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Speaker 1: Where do you stand on this game? I like a six.

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Speaker 3: I had a real hard time with this game, and

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Speaker 2: as opposed to like an impossible burger, a beyond burger, whatever,

436
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 2: a veggie burger. Sure we know that there is substance

437
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 2: to the best of their schedule with Clemson. We assume

438
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: because Clemson is performing how a great team should perform

439
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: against a lesser schedule, be it Virginia or you know,

440
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 2: tex A and m is fine. They're good enough. I

441
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 2: guess it's hard to me to say good, but it's

442
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: a it's a respectable opponent. But we haven't seen Clemson

443
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 2: pushed by anybody, I guess beyond North Caro, who is

444
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 2: another team that's fine. But after that North Carolina game,

445
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: they just they John Wick the rest of their skins.

446
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: It went nuts. Yeah, it's and so that is my

447
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: point exactly.

448
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: It's it's a hypothesis that Clemson is amazing with a

449
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 2: lot of proof, but we haven't seen it fully bored out.

450
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 3: I think we're going to see another high scoring game here.

451
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 3: And as I said a few minutes ago, yeah, I.

452
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 2: Do the two best defenses in the country.

453
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: Both defenses are really good. I don't think either is

454
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 3: good enough to keep it low scoring. And you know,

455
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 3: again to the point of Justin Fields and JK. Dobbins

456
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: and Trevor Lawrence and all these big names that you're

457
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: going to hear a lot about, thank you, Gus, I

458
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 3: think Isaiah Simmons, and not to say he's not a

459
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: big name.

460
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: He's going to be a very high draft pick.

461
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: But I guess award winner.

462
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not going to get the fanfare of some

463
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: of those other skill position players. I am watching Isaiah

464
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 3: Simmons the closest. He's a linebacker from clem and he's

465
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: kind of a tweener. He's like a blueprint for what

466
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 3: a modern linebacker should be. He's big enough to fight

467
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: through the trenches and make those havoc plays which we

468
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 3: talk about, but also quick enough to cover the pass

469
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 3: like a safety, kind of like a safety in a

470
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: linebacker's frame. I'm interested to see how Brent Venables deploys

471
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 3: his talents. How do you use him to affect Justin Fields?

472
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: Because Justin Fields has been effective not only as a

473
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 3: passer with a forty to one touchdown interception ratio this year,

474
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 3: which is amazing for a sophomore ye, but also as

475
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 3: a runner. And they have used different versions of Justin

476
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 3: Fields as needed to change the complexion of a game.

477
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: We saw it in that Wisconsin Big Ten Championship game.

478
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: Second half was an entirely different story because of a

479
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: few tweaks here and there. So how does Venables deploy

480
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: Simmons in a way that can try to contain Justin Fields?

481
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, and that's why I'm asking. That's part

482
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 3: of why I'm so confused as to which direction to

483
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: go here. Larger point being though I still don't understand

484
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: how either defense is going to contain the opposing offense.

485
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: I just think it's going to be another shootout.

486
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: So I think Clemson's defense is better, and it's I think.

487
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but my hypothesis is that I would

488
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: agree to defense. I would agree is if by the

489
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: narrowest margins, they're so good across the board, They've They've

490
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: played so many players. They have the best pass defense

491
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: in the country according to SPPLUS, and the second best

492
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: rush defense, so you have to say, well, I guess

493
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: they're vulnerable against the run. My concern about Ohio State

494
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: is one They've played closer games late against good, but

495
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: to me, not great teams, and that's fine. That the

496
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: Wisconsin game was impressive, the way they came back and

497
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: put an exclamation point on it. I think this defense

498
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: is incredible and took an incredible step forward after a

499
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: couple of sort of strange years. Given the talent on

500
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: Ohio State defense, the thing I'm most concerned about in

501
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: this game is I don't think Ohio State and their defense,

502
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: especially their secondary. I don't think they've seen a receiving core.

503
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: I think they've seen a couple of good receivers. I

504
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: think they've seen a couple of okay, fine quarterbacks. They

505
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: haven't seen Trevor Lawrence. They haven't gotten to that elite

506
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: point through no fault of their own. I just think

507
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: it's going to be new. We saw the way that

508
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 2: as soon as Clemson got that crease against Notre Dame

509
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: last season. I think this year's Ohio State team is

510
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: definitely better than last year's Notre Dame, but all it

511
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: takes is that Crease. We saw the way that game

512
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: change was Julian Love got hurt.

513
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: Yep.

514
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: We saw the way that just Notre Dame didn't have

515
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: the depth or experience to handle Clemson on offense. And again,

516
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: I think Ohio State's defense is better than Notre Dames

517
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: was last year. But there's something about the number of

518
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: ways that Clemson's offense can take over a game that

519
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: Ohio State hasn't fully been tested doing against Shape Patterson

520
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: or Sean Clifford or Jack Cone. As much as you

521
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 2: love King Cone, I think Clemson's in a better place.

522
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: And I have difficulties saying well because they did it

523
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: last year, it's a different team this year. Obviously they

524
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: get after the quarterback not as well because of last

525
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: year's defensive line. But there is something about that upper

526
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: echelon of receiver for Clemson and how well they're developed

527
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: that it just seems so automatic that I worry a

528
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 2: little bit about Ohio State's secondary. They've been beat up

529
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: the last couple weeks of the season. I assume they're

530
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: going to be a lot healthier. But that to me,

531
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: if I am, if I'm picking knits as they say, ty,

532
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: that to me might be where Clemson can separate themselves.

533
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: I think it's fair.

534
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: It's at Trevor Lawrence over justin fields, not dramatically, but

535
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: that's my ruling.

536
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: And we have to at least mention Chase Young oh

537
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: my gosh, of course, as part of this preview, and

538
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: how he might be able to change the game. Obviously,

539
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: if you can get the Trevor Lawrence, take him a

540
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: bit off them. It's not something many have been able

541
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: to successfully do because Clemson's offensive line is still pretty killer.

542
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: But that is certainly something that Clemson knows going into

543
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: this game, and I think Ohio State fans are anxious

544
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: to see unfold. If he can get to Trevor Lawrence

545
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: try to change the pacing of this that could help

546
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: them here. I do worry similarly about the Ohio State defense.

547
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: I do agree with you that Clemson's is better.

548
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: We don't fully have proof, but with it's a we

549
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: we're back to the original line of the show.

550
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: We suppose they're better.

551
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: I am picking Ohio State here, Oh, I am picking them.

552
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: I am picking them on the assumption that they'll have

553
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 3: some way, they'll figure something out to deal with the

554
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: Clemson pass rush, which I think is going to be

555
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: never ending and unrelenting in this game. I think they're

556
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: going to bring the full fury of Brent Venables Okay,

557
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: at Justin Fields in this one. But I am so

558
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: far down the rabbit hole of of Ohio State being

559
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: the best I've ever seen that I think I have

560
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: to pick them. So I think it's high scoring. I

561
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: think it's very close. I think it's last one with

562
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: the ball wins. I think it's something like forty five

563
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: thirty seven. Yeah, and again, I think you've shot beyond me.

564
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: I have it at like thirty five thirty one Clemson. Okay,

565
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: I don't know what.

566
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: What did you say the spread was? It's only a couple.

567
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: Points two and a half in favor of Clemson.

568
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: Two and ass so I think they barely cover. Yeah

569
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: and again, maybe it's I don't have any data behind it,

570
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: but we've we've watched sort of first time coaches come

571
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: into the playoff and take a couple of licks before

572
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: figuring it out. And we've seen it, you know, Dabbo

573
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: against Alabama in the I think it was in the

574
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: Peach Bowl where Kelly Bryant started, where there are there

575
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: are licks to be taken when ascending to this level,

576
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,239
Speaker 2: and the amount of experience that Clemson has in the

577
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: playoff and sort of peaking at the right time, I think,

578
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: by the narrowest of margins is the difference.

579
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: So there you go.

580
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: We disagree on the second one, but like I said,

581
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: I've got one confidence point on this game, I have

582
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: no confidence whatsoever in that pick being accurate. I'm really

583
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: looking forward to both of these, but this one in

584
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: particular because I just depending on which way the wind blows,

585
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: it honestly changes my opinion.

586
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we talked about running back health and hoping

587
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: for it in the previous game. Trave CTN against JK.

588
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: Dobbins is probably the best possible running back matchup we

589
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: could have hoped for in a game of this magnitude, Right, Yeah,

590
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, and both of them as well as

591
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: the rest of those rosters. Gift suite includes PlayStation four.

592
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 1: Gift package. I was gonna say it has to include

593
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: a PlayStation four.

594
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: Do you have a PS four or U Xbox?

595
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: What are you doing on PS four?

596
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: U AREPS four? Do you like it, of course I

597
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: like it, okay, Fossil Watch and Ogio shuttle pack, backpack,

598
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: History of the Bulls, celebrating the good of the game, book,

599
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: ice shake, insulated bottle to keep you hydrated.

600
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 6: Tie.

601
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: Okay, if you're going to the Valley of the Sun,

602
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: may I suggest I've said it before Pone and Pizzeria Bianco.

603
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: But I've also been told Pomo Pomo. I don't know

604
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: if it rhymes with fomo palmo pomo pizza. I looked

605
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: it up. It looks delicious. Also, Taco's chiwas chi w

606
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: as also a delight. But you know, do some research.

607
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: Don't sit in traffic for food. Figure out what's nearby

608
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: and do that. There's there's good food all over Phoenix.

609
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: I think it's an underrated food town. So enjoy yourselves

610
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: out there yourselves, especially if you're coming from the Midwest.

611
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's it's warm and gives you some time in

612
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: the pool, or play some golf something like that.

613
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: There you have it. Those are your two playoff semi finals.

614
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: We'll obviously be breaking down the national championship after these

615
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: games are over.

616
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: M but for now, this is where it stands. As

617
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: we said, earlier.

618
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: We will be doing more Bowl previews throughout the course

619
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: of the next week or so, so make sure you

620
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: stay tuned in for those. But as for now, we

621
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: didn't have any opportunity to really talk about recruiting, did.

622
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: We We The two of us did not know. And

623
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: the good news is you will get both our semi

624
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: educated opinions and also I spoke with our old pal

625
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: of twenty four to seven sports, Brandon Huffman to get

626
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: everything in order. But before we get to that tie, yes,

627
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: what were your thoughts about early signing day surprises, Notre

628
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: Dame's class, anything reinforcing more of the same. What were

629
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: your takeaways?

630
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: I was really happy with Notre Dames class good.

631
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: To be honest, Yeah, I was pretty happy about that,

632
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: and I'm glad to hear that you talked to Brandon

633
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: to get more detail on it. But I thought they

634
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: did a good job. You know, Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, LSU,

635
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: that's your top five.

636
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: Any surprises there?

637
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, the magnitude with which Clemson is

638
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: now recruiting is surprisingly and surprising in that is just

639
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: crazy scary.

640
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: Six five star recruits, according to twenty four to seven,

641
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: So not a bad haul for them. Texas A and

642
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: M jumped up and did really well for themselves. I

643
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: thought that was admirable Jimbo Fisher trying to put some

644
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: of those hard earned Texas dollars to work. Correct the

645
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: big takeaway for me, And I know you talked to

646
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: Brandon about this as well, But out of what sixty

647
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: five Power five programs, I like that, Yeah, USC finished

648
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: sixty fourth.

649
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: And part of that. Part of that is that it

650
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: was a very small class, and the way these classes

651
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: are graded is based you get a certain amount of

652
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Speaker 2: points or something per three star, four star, five star recruit.

653
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Speaker 2: So I don't know what USC's average commitment grades out at,

654
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: but there were I think there was one blue chip

655
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: recruit in this class, so that still wasn't great. Actually,

656
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Speaker 2: I asked Brandon and he'll explain, you know, his theory,

657
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Speaker 2: because my theory, I think is similar to what a

658
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: lot of people think, like you have, you know, the

659
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: uncertainty of Clay Helton's future hanging over the program. Why

660
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: can you expect them to recruit well with so much

661
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: uncertain about who's going to be the head coach? Brandon

662
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: explained it and actually made sense that it wasn't necessarily

663
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Speaker 2: that being an overwhelming reason why. But yes, I think

664
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Speaker 2: you're right, you have the usual suspects. I thought it

665
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: was interesting and Brandon touched on this too. Clemson and Alabama,

666
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: the jewel of their classes, are arguably their five star

667
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: It was a pro style for Clemson and a dual

668
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: threat for Alabama quarterbacks. Both of those quarterbacks are from

669
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Speaker 2: southern California, and the fact that they are expanding their reach.

670
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Speaker 2: You know, I think LSU has done pretty well in

671
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Speaker 2: southern California at times. Clemson did it last year with

672
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: a guy or too. Alabama's you know, obviously Najie Harris

673
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: is from I think the Fresno area, northern California. Either way,

674
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: Alabama's done well in California. But now Clemson, which is

675
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: a relative newcomer to this blue blood platform of their

676
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: they're really stretching their muscles nationally, at least going west

677
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: to California to add to the southeast. Notre Dame, I mean,

678
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: Brandon touched on it. Oregon closed really well with Noah Sewell,

679
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: the younger brother of All American left tackle penay At

680
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: a linebacker, and then Justin flow on signing Day. On

681
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: early signing Day, announcing another five star linebacker for Oregon,

682
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: Brandon touches on that. I thought Florida State thought Mike

683
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: Norvell did a good job. He flipped Chubba Purty, younger

684
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: brother of Brock from Louisville to Florida State and nicknamed

685
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: Chubba because he was born well, no, at his first

686
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: birthday he was thirty eight pounds, which the solid baby

687
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: is somewhat big at like twenty three pounds, okay, at

688
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: almost a year, so that gives you an idea of

689
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: where things lie. But yeah, he touches on USC. He

690
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: touches on some new coach stuff, some G five schools

691
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: that impressed. Penn State's class was fine, Michigan's class was fine,

692
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: but the distance between them in Ohio State appears to

693
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: be growing. The Gulf is growing.

694
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Speaker 5: Man.

695
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Speaker 1: Thirty eight pounds is like Glenn Dorsey, that's huge.

696
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: R yes, kid, that is it is dense beyond words.

697
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: It is something like how they describe space rocks like

698
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: we haven't seen it. We haven't seen anything.

699
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Speaker 3: That belongs on the absolute unit subreddit right there. Yes,

700
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: I did see that, our boy, Mike Loxley flipped rakeem Jarrett, Yes,

701
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: the five star wide out. Yeah, flipped him from LSU.

702
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: A local kid in the DMV got him to commit

703
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: to Maryland, which was a nice win for him on

704
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Speaker 3: signing day.

705
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Speaker 2: It was after the fact. But Clark Phillips, who is

706
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: a corner from I think Southern California who was committed

707
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: to Ohio State forever Jeff Hafley leaves, he has second thoughts.

708
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: He ends up flipping to Utah, which Utah has had

709
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: to get it done developing three star types. Clark Phillips

710
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: is I see here the number four corner in the CUNE.

711
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: So they are increasing their talent levels, so that should

712
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: be scary to the rest of the Pac twelve. So

713
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: there was nothing dramatic we saw, I think a big

714
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 2: win for South Carolina and Jordan Birch, the best defensive

715
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: lineman in the class. I don't know if he's signed

716
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: as of now, but interesting nonetheless, because the gulf is

717
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: only increasing between the haves and have nots talent wise.

718
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Speaker 3: The other school that really jumped out to me was

719
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech. And yeah, you know, I know Tech didn't

720
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Speaker 3: have like a top ten class or anything like that,

721
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: but this is obviously a rebuild in progress, and as

722
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Speaker 3: part of the coaching turnover. One of the themes that

723
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: we heard repeated over and over again in the preseason

724
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: was how they were really going to sell Atlanta. Sure,

725
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: it didn't feel like Atlanta as the home base for

726
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: a college football entity was being sold hard enough. And

727
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Speaker 3: when they finished top twenty five twenty fourth year according

728
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: to Yeah, according to recruiting rankings, did well with getting

729
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: the quarterback, really did hoard that that Southeast area, A

730
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: lot of Georgia, a lot of Florida kids in that

731
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Speaker 3: signing class. So maybe there's something to that.

732
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Speaker 2: Sure, Oh, there absolutely is no. I mean, especially if

733
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: you're from the Southeast, if your grades are pretty good,

734
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: if you want to be in a bigger city, Atlanta

735
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: is the option. Yeah that's I mean, I guess you

736
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: could point to Miami, but in terms of college town

737
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: and it's just not that Atlanta is a college town.

738
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: But in terms of appeal right now, I think, and

739
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: the ability to play early, even though Miami did finish

740
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: with a nice enough class, I like that. I like

741
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: it from Jeff Collins, five Yellow Jackets.

742
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: Five four star kids, not bad.

743
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: I should also be mentioned because we are going to

744
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: have to learn this Clemson's five star quarterback from southern

745
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: California who chose the Tigers over Oregon, dj Engalle. We'll

746
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: have to it right eventually, but it's there are a

747
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: lot of letters.

748
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 3: So why don't we do this? Why don't we jump

749
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: into our interview? Yeah, your interview with Brandon Hoffman. He

750
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: can break this down an alarming detail, because that's what

751
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 3: Brandon's good at. We'll rejoin on the flip side. We'll

752
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: send you and Drew mary Way and leave it there.

753
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Speaker 2: All right, Thanks, future Ty. I don't know how to

754
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: word this, but this is the partition, the portion of

755
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: the show in which we bring on our long, long,

756
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: long time friend see two. I didn't say old friend

757
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: because I respect. I respect the youthful glow of Brandon

758
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: Hoffman of now twenty four to seven sports. Brandon, we're

759
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: a day after early signing day. How's life? How you doing?

760
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Speaker 6: Hey?

761
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: I'm good and I love the NCAA thinking of us

762
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 5: and giving us a two days off for Christmas before

763
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Speaker 5: they make us do it all over again in February.

764
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 5: But some of these guys are taking advantage of this

765
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 5: three day signing period and announcing the day after, some

766
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 5: are denouncing the two days after, and then it goes dark,

767
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 5: It goes quiet for a couple So I'm just trying

768
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 5: to get through the next couple of days and then

769
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 5: having all this fun to get to do it all

770
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 5: over again in six weeks.

771
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Speaker 1: Hooray.

772
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: And I want to be clear, you have an official title.

773
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: I just assume that they keep adding to it at

774
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven. Are you Senior Platinum Diamonds Executive

775
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: National Recruiting Director of all Operations something like that.

776
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, with maybe a little bronze in there as well,

777
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 5: just to show my youthful glow.

778
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Speaker 1: I love that.

779
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: I love that. Okay, let's start here. We are now

780
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: through the early signing period of sorts. We have All

781
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: Star Games coming up a couple of weeks from when

782
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 2: we're recording this, with a few more pretty major announcements.

783
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: But to you with the bulk of the early part

784
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: of the signing day situation in college football, done with

785
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: who made statements? Be it that their talent level is,

786
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: you know, staying extremely high, that their talent level is

787
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 2: quickly rising to a high level, or even something more negative,

788
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: that they're struggling. What were the big headline statements to you.

789
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 5: Well, I think the biggest statement obviously was cleosing for

790
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 5: I think the first time ever having the top recruiting class.

791
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 5: And I think what's been so remarkable about their run

792
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 5: under Dabos Swingeys that they've had years where the majority

793
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 5: of their team that was a part of that national

794
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 5: championship squad were about a top fifteen, top twenty ish

795
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 5: class and.

796
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Speaker 6: Now they're trending upward.

797
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 5: Yes, they did sign a number one player in the

798
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 5: country two years ago when they landed Trevor Lawrence, and

799
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 5: they got an immediate return on that with the national championship.

800
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Speaker 6: He wanted a true freshman.

801
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 5: But this year they had one of the most complete classes.

802
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 5: And this will give you a little bit of an

803
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 5: insight into what kind of recruiting juice they have. They

804
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 5: were able to get a five star kid who had

805
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 5: been a top fifteen kid with off the small over

806
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 5: the country. They were able to slow play him, bring

807
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 5: him in for an official visit the weekend before signing day,

808
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 5: offer him on the visit and get him to commit.

809
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 6: That's when you know.

810
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Speaker 5: It reminds me of the Pete Carroll USC days where

811
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 5: they would get these local kids to do that that

812
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 5: were committed to these other tactual schools and the night

813
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 5: before signing day would ignore them for eleven months and

814
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 5: then the last eleventh out or off them, they get them.

815
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Speaker 5: That's what Clemsons has been able to do. They have

816
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 5: six five stars. They missed out on a couple of

817
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 5: guys they thought they may have a chance to get

818
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 5: justin flow. Jordan Birch being one of them, would put

819
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 5: it given them. You know, almost a quarter of all

820
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 5: the five stars already. But six five stars. That double

821
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 5: what the next two teams with five stars have. Alabama

822
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 5: and LSU both have three each. But I think you're

823
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 5: now seeing what Clemson's able to do recruiting wise, and

824
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 5: you know, it doesn't seem.

825
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 6: Like they're going away anytime soon.

826
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Speaker 5: I think the one school that you look at that

827
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Speaker 5: made the statement on the other side of it, and

828
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Speaker 5: this is something that you know, you and IV and

829
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Speaker 5: West Coast guys are not you seeing that.

830
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Speaker 1: Is USC, right.

831
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Speaker 6: You know, when when you see.

832
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Speaker 5: USC twelve, you're expecting that to be kind of their

833
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 5: floor nationally. You would never think you'd see a day

834
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Speaker 5: where USC was twelveth and a twelve team conference and

835
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Speaker 5: yet here we are. They're the number twelve team in

836
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Speaker 5: the PAC twelve only have I think eleven commits. They

837
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 5: are behind schools, you know, established programs like Bowling Green, Troy, Toledo,

838
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 5: Western Michigan. And when their headline recruit is a three

839
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 5: star from southern California who they got largely because his

840
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 5: older brothers on the team, that kind of gives you

841
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 5: some insight into what kind of day USC had.

842
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Speaker 2: I want to go back to Clemson for a second,

843
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: and then we'll go back to USC and then we'll

844
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: go all over the country. But Clemson is not in

845
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Speaker 2: a conference that had, or at least the past couple

846
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Speaker 2: of years, they haven't played in huge headline games. You

847
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: hear a lot of recruits talking about going to the

848
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: SEC and that big time atmosphere, and obviously they've overcome

849
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: the fact that there aren't huge games in the ACC

850
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: or at least recently, because you're playing in January on

851
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: a huge stage. Why does that not matter for Clemson

852
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: and why does that matter sometimes for a conference like

853
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve, say that also is struggling to put together,

854
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: you know, a headline, a headline slate. Is it just

855
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: the January thing or is there something else that that

856
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: really is pulling kids to Clemson.

857
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's a combination of

858
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 5: the two. They're playing in the ultimate showcase game, the

859
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 5: ultimate big setting, whether or not it's in a college

860
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 5: stadium or most of these games seem to be in

861
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 5: NFL stadiums, it is the game that every team wants

862
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 5: to play in at the end of the year. And

863
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 5: then on top of that, they have a lot of

864
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 5: those guys sitting in the green room on Thursday nights,

865
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Speaker 5: you know, whatever town the drafts in getting drafted. And

866
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Speaker 5: so when you're at the point where you're competing for

867
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 5: national championships consistently, you're putting guys into the high rounds

868
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 5: of the NFL Draft consistently. It feels like you can't

869
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 5: turn on a Sunday night football or Monday night football

870
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 5: game without a receiver from Clemson, a cornerback from Ohio

871
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 5: State being announced. And Clemson has now put themselves in

872
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 5: the mix where they're, you know, a blue blood essentially,

873
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 5: they're a blue blood as we.

874
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 6: Look at it right now.

875
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 5: You know, five straight years in the playoffs, What is

876
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 5: this the seventh major bowl that Dabbo has been to

877
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 5: in the last eight or nine years, and what they're

878
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 5: doing recruiting wise, what's probably the most remarkable part about

879
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 5: it is is that they are spreading their wings nationally.

880
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 5: You know, you never really thought Clemson would be a

881
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 5: program that would recruit on the West Coast. Yet for

882
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 5: the second straight year they go into the Golden State

883
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 5: and they get one of the top players in the state,

884
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 5: this time getting DJ Leongaliley the number one pro style quarterback,

885
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 5: a year after they got Joseph Tangata out of Sacramento

886
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 5: at fulsome high school. So when they are able to

887
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 5: recruit the West Coast and get a premier player in

888
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 5: the West Coast like Dj, when they can go up

889
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 5: into the Northeast and into Maryland the DMV and get

890
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 5: Brian receive who's the number one player in the country,

891
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 5: continue to recruit in Florida, you know, go down into

892
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 5: Texas and get guys, get other players in the key

893
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 5: states in the southeast, and just really pick and choose.

894
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 5: I mean, they're at the point now where it's almost

895
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 5: like they're not even recruiting anymore. They're just evaluating because

896
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 5: they're going to be able to get who they want

897
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 5: if they make the right evaluation on that kid. It's

898
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 5: very much what Nick Saban's been doing the last decade.

899
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 5: But now Dabo is at that point where his coaches

900
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 5: can pretty much walk anywhere in the country. One of

901
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 5: the top players in the country in the twenty twenty

902
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 5: one classes a receiver just outside Seattle and since in

903
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 5: his top two or three. So they are being very

904
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 5: picky about who they recruit nationally, but they've got the

905
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 5: ultimate logo on their shirt. When they walk on a

906
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 5: college campus.

907
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 6: There are the high school campus. Now they have serious cache.

908
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: At USC came off of a season that ended pretty successfully. Obviously,

909
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: the twenty eighteen season didn't go super well and was disappointing,

910
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: and there's there's been uncertainty around Clay Hilton and his

911
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: staff and his job status. Is that the only thing

912
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: to blame. Is there an element of Clay Hilton and

913
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: his staff not knowing their future? So why are they

914
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: going to go out and recruit for twenty hours a day.

915
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: Why are they going to be texting kids? Why are

916
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: they going to be coordinating their recruiting staff to put

917
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: together graphics for recruits? Is there an element of the

918
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 2: fact that we didn't know his status until essentially last week.

919
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: That is just destroying USC from the inside.

920
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 5: I think that's what we are, what people are using

921
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 5: as a crutch.

922
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 6: I don't know that it's that. I think they're just

923
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 6: getting flat out at work.

924
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 5: You know, you look at the coaches that were removed

925
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 5: after last season, and he made some key changes on

926
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 5: the defensive side of the ball and made some changes

927
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 5: on the offensive side of the ball. Te Martin, who

928
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 5: had been one of their best recruiters, was let go.

929
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 5: But then they had a couple of recruiters on that

930
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 5: staff that just did a horrible job of evaluating, a

931
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 5: horrible job of recruiting, and essentially nailed it in. And

932
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 5: when you lose, you know, there was an article this

933
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 5: week about how the second year bump with the early

934
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 5: signing period is no longer there.

935
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 6: It's not a third year bump.

936
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 5: When you bring assistant coaches in in January, they're already

937
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 5: behind for the following class, and so forget the class

938
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 5: that's going to sign at that point, and you could

939
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 5: almost forget the next class. You're almost having to build

940
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 5: two years out to start building that relationship.

941
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 6: And so even though he made those changes.

942
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 5: You couple those with the uncertainty in his job, it

943
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 5: certainly doesn't create a positive scenario, you see. But what's

944
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 5: really happening is the team's down. I don't think it

945
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 5: has so much to do with Helton and in the

946
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 5: job instability. The team has not been remarkable really since

947
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 5: that roseball game against Penn State three years ago. You know,

948
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 5: they were one of the more underwhelming eleven and two

949
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 5: conference chart what was it ten and three conference champions

950
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 5: two years ago when they won the Pac twelve but

951
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 5: then lost in the Cotton Boldohose State and it seemed

952
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 5: like the storyline every week was you know, Sam Darnold

953
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 5: and was he going to turn.

954
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 6: The ball over? They were, you know, even then, they

955
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 6: weren't wowing people.

956
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 5: And just at that point, Oregon had had Willie Taggart,

957
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 5: even though he had left, they had been placed with

958
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 5: Mark crystal Ball. Oregon started to take off with their

959
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 5: recruiting in southern California. Washington was starting to really take

960
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 5: off with their recruiting in southern California. Then Arizona State

961
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 5: comes in the next year and brings Antonio A Pearson

962
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 5: staff with his Southern California ties, and now they start

963
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 5: making the or in fact, it was right around the

964
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 5: same time he comes in and he starts making the

965
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 5: rows into southern California.

966
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 6: So now all the Southern California kids are seeing all.

967
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 5: This attractive pro these pre attracted programs outside of Southern California.

968
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 5: Chip Kelly does whatever he's doing, and Clay Helton's doing

969
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 5: what he he was supposed to be able to do,

970
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 5: and it's not working, and all the rest of the

971
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 5: Pac twelve is being able to infiltrate South in California.

972
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 5: But then the national programs are coming in. Ohio State

973
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 5: has five guys from the West Coast and four from California.

974
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 5: So it's not just so much the instability and the

975
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 5: uncertainty around play Heelton, it's the program just doesn't look

976
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 5: like you know, it's trending upward, and guys are more

977
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 5: attracted to playing elsewhere, and if they're going to stand

978
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 5: in the Pac twelve, they'd rather go play at Oregon,

979
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 5: They'd rather go play at Washington, they'd rather go play

980
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 5: at Arizona State, and those three schools incidentally are trending up.

981
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: We're recruiting wise, What were the biggest surprises to you

982
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: in terms of flips, in terms of new coaches, in

983
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: terms of somebody finishing strong, and in terms of somebody

984
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: not finishing strong. What sort of even with how dialed

985
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: in you are, made you sort of raise an eyebrow

986
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: on Wednesday.

987
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I.

988
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 5: Got to say that Justin Flow committed to Oregon. It

989
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 5: wasn't a surprise so much. Oregon had definitely been trending

990
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 5: that way. But you know, Daniel and I are again,

991
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 5: we're both for Southern California. We've seen this movie so

992
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 5: many time. Even when USC was at its most down,

993
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 5: they still would be able to pull one or two

994
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 5: guys that nobody thought they were going to get, and

995
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 5: they would still find a way to pull them in.

996
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 5: And you just thought, you know, even though Organ was

997
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 5: in this position a couple of years ago, David Williams,

998
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 5: they had been in this you know, in years past.

999
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 5: You had essentially the d Anthony Thomas moment of this

1000
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 5: modern era with Justin Flow spurning USC to go to Oregon.

1001
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 5: And the fact that see was even in it to

1002
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 5: get an official visit was big because they weren't even

1003
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 5: in the top five a few weeks ago. But then

1004
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 5: when they got the official visit, and they got the

1005
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 5: last official visit. You just started to think, Okay, here

1006
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 5: we go again, and he spurns it and he goes

1007
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 5: to Oregon. So I think the big surprise is, you know,

1008
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 5: just how easy organ has made it recruiting in southern California.

1009
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 5: That's two years in a row now that they've taken

1010
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 5: the number one player on the West Coast who happens

1011
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 5: to be in Southern California out of schools that USC

1012
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 5: has recruited, out of region's USC has recruited well and

1013
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 5: taking the top player. And the interesting thing is this

1014
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 5: is not the fourth time in the last ten classes

1015
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 5: that Oregon has got the number one player in the

1016
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 5: West who happened to be from California. Three times they

1017
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 5: were players that were from southern California and the other

1018
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 5: was the younger brother of an SC player. Oregon is

1019
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 5: continuing to make inroads in the state of California, northern

1020
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 5: and southern. So I think the surprise was just how

1021
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 5: easy it was for them to end up getting a

1022
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 5: justin Flow, you know, Florida, there was a lot of

1023
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 5: targets that they were waiting on and that they thought

1024
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 5: they were going to be in play for and didn't sign.

1025
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 5: I don't think really anybody yesterday of significance the one

1026
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 5: that's the surprise to me. I mean, we're used to

1027
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 5: seeing them in the top five, top ten basketball recruiting rankings.

1028
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 5: North Carolina they're in the top twenty, number nineteen. Mac

1029
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 5: Brown is wound and willing people down there in Chapel Hill.

1030
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 5: And you know, there's always one or two schools that

1031
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 5: you don't really expect to see in the top twenty,

1032
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 5: and North Carolina is one of them.

1033
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 6: But the other one was South Carolina.

1034
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 5: You know, considering the year will much Champ had and

1035
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 5: considering just the up and down nature of his coaching

1036
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 5: regime at South Carolina, for them to be able to

1037
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 5: get a commitment yesterday from Jordan Birch, top five player

1038
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 5: in the country. Now they're still waiting for his letter

1039
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 5: of intent, but they got his commitment. LSU felt really

1040
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 5: good about getting him. You know, Clemson had been in

1041
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 5: the mix heavily for him. He had all the usual

1042
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 5: suspects and a foreign eight South Carolina team was able

1043
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 5: to get and more significantly, I mean he was he

1044
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 5: is from Columbia, so they definitely had the homeful advantage.

1045
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 6: But those are the kind of guys that have been.

1046
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 5: Going to Clemson, those elite in state kids, and Will

1047
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 5: Mushamp was able to pull that surprise. Now he just

1048
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 5: needs to get that letter of intent to make that official.

1049
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 5: But you know, I think it's more of a surprise

1050
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 5: to see who are some of the teams that closed

1051
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 5: well that were not used to seeing, and more importantly,

1052
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 5: the team.

1053
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 6: That closed as poorly as possible.

1054
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 5: That we're always used to seeing being one of the

1055
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 5: best closers when it comes down to signing day.

1056
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: So one of the things the early signing period does

1057
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: is it makes it crazy difficult. And you alluded to

1058
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: this talking to sc but for new coaching hires to

1059
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: get traction with, you know, existing commits and at the

1060
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 2: same time they're navigating the ability to forge new uncommitted

1061
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: recruit relationships or figure out who he might be bringing

1062
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: on from his old job that he just left. Is

1063
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: there a new coach in this cycle who did an

1064
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: impressive job early on, at least so far after the early.

1065
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 6: Period, Yeah, I would say Florida State for certain.

1066
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 5: Mike Norvel was able to get a couple of key

1067
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 5: in state kids to stick with Florida State, which was

1068
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 5: always the toughest task when you're replacing a coach. He's

1069
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 5: keeping some of the highly rated commits who might have

1070
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 5: wandering ice in at that point to stick on board.

1071
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 6: He was able to flip two quarterbacks.

1072
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 5: If Florida State hadn't signed a high school quarterback since

1073
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 5: the class of twenty seventeen, he comes in and immediately

1074
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 5: flips Tate Rodamaker from USF out of Valdosta, Georgia, and then,

1075
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 5: more importantly yesterday, he was able to flip Chubble Purdy,

1076
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 5: who had been a long time commit to Louisville younger

1077
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 5: brother of Rock Perty at Iowa State, because of Norville's

1078
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 5: ties into Arizona when he was at Arizona State as

1079
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 5: their offensive coordinator. He was able to get Purdy to

1080
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 5: take an official visit over the weekend and then got

1081
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 5: him to commit to him yesterday. I think that the

1082
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 5: big thing for him was, you know, keeping Smela kai

1083
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 5: Wideman on board.

1084
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 6: He'd been committed since May. He's one of the premier

1085
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 6: receivers in the country.

1086
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 5: They haven't again, he hasn't said his letter of intenting,

1087
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 5: but he hasn't gone elsewhere. They've been able to keep

1088
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 5: the majority of their commits, and speaking of keeping the

1089
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 5: majority of their commits, the other coach who had it

1090
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 5: as good of a first signing day as you possibly

1091
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 5: could ask for as Jimmy Lake at Washington. Washington did

1092
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 5: not lose one commit at all when Chris Peterson was

1093
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 5: announced his retirement or announced he was leading the secession

1094
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 5: plan that Gen Cohen had in place to replace Chris

1095
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 5: Peterson with Jimmy Lake allowed for a smooth transition. He

1096
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 5: didn't lose any commits and actually gained a commit from

1097
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 5: a dB who had kind of opened things up a

1098
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 5: little bit in the earlier part of fall. And a

1099
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 5: lot of it was was Jimmy Lake even going to

1100
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 5: be there? Was he going to leave for another coordinator

1101
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 5: job or another head coaching job. He ended up committing

1102
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 5: last week, So Washington ends up with plus one on

1103
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 5: their commit list, and so he has the highest rated

1104
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 5: class of any coach that's in his first class. I

1105
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 5: think Arkansas Sam Pittman had a couple of key commitments

1106
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 5: that he was able to get down the stretch, So

1107
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 5: you know, a lot to be excited about if you're

1108
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 5: Arkansas as well.

1109
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 6: But I think you know he did.

1110
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 5: The hard part is there was a couple of schools

1111
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 5: that lost guys because they lost assistant coaches, and one

1112
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 5: of those was Ohio State. With Jeff Hafley leaving Ohio

1113
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 5: State to go to Boston College, you know, their class

1114
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 5: is still kind of up in the air. He was

1115
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 5: named so late, but Ohio State lost the commitment this

1116
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 5: morning from Clark Phillips, who was a top forty player nationally,

1117
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 5: the top five cornerback in the country, and Haley had

1118
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 5: been his primary recruiter.

1119
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 6: When Hafley left.

1120
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 5: He ended up taking an official visit to Utah and

1121
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 5: then announced this morning he was signing with Utah. So

1122
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 5: that's the other thing that you see is you see

1123
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 5: some of these coaches when they leave that positional unit,

1124
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 5: now maybe somebody has to pick up the slack late

1125
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 5: to get recruiting at that position. And I think that

1126
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 5: that's where you know, Ohio State's class is so strong

1127
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 5: they can handle the loss of Clark Phillips, but it's

1128
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 5: still is one of those eleventh hour losses that they're

1129
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 5: not prepared for. It kind of makes adding another guy

1130
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 5: late that it makes it more difficult.

1131
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: One of the things that was pretty evident in watching

1132
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: some of the conference championship games is the talent disparity

1133
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: Ohio State over Wisconsin. And you know, for going back

1134
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: a couple weeks too, I mean you have Ohio State,

1135
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan. There's just a talent discrepancy

1136
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: in that conference between the top and the near top.

1137
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: Obviously a huge one in the ACC between Clemson and Virginia,

1138
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: a pretty big one though it was a close game

1139
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: between Oklahoma and Baylor, a pretty evident one between Oregon

1140
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: and Utah if you watch that game and Oregon Washington

1141
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: was obviously a closer game. But where in the country

1142
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: at the top of conferences did you see because of

1143
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: this early signing day And it's obviously a small sample,

1144
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: but the talent either close or separate even further with

1145
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 2: obviously the SEC being pretty narrow between LSU and Georgia.

1146
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, the.

1147
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 5: Easy answer for me to say, well, the SEC when

1148
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 5: you've got Alabama two, Georgia three, LSU four Texas, I

1149
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 5: mean six of the top eight schools are from the SEC.

1150
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 5: But where it starts to become a gap is that

1151
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 5: you know, then Florida's a few spots behind you got

1152
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 5: South Carolina, but then it starts to become a while

1153
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 5: before you see more brand names in the SEC. The

1154
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 5: Big ten though, you've got Ohio State well in front.

1155
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 5: You know, Penn State's probably Penn State. Michigan we're about

1156
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 5: nine ten spots back. But I think the gaps continuing

1157
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 5: to widen between Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State.

1158
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 5: You know, the Big Twelve, it's always going to be

1159
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 5: Texas and Oklahoma with the best two classes, and they

1160
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 5: have again once again the best two classes in the conference.

1161
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 5: I think the surprising thing, and you know, we've talked

1162
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 5: about this before, the bunk. You really see when you

1163
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 5: have successful x tie, it happens in the next cycle.

1164
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 5: So you know, Baylor has this great season and they're

1165
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 5: not really all that high in the rankings that they're

1166
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 5: outside the top fifty, right and Oklahoma, you know, Techlas

1167
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 5: Texas are continuing to widen the gap from a talent standpoint,

1168
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 5: but that's where the coaching I think makes up for

1169
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 5: it with the school like Baylor. So you know, the

1170
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 5: Big twelve, it's kind of two that are really standing

1171
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 5: out and everybody else the PAC twelve, Oregon and Washington

1172
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 5: are the two teams that for really three straight years

1173
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 5: now have had the best classes in the PAC twelve.

1174
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 5: But you know, Stanford has always been a top twenty

1175
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 5: five program in terms of recruiting. Right now, their biggest

1176
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 5: thing is where's everybody going? You know, they added a

1177
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 5: bunch of guys. I think they had their thirteenth guy

1178
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 5: to go to the portal with kJ Costello. But you

1179
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 5: know the Pac twelve, Oregon is starting to distance themselves

1180
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 5: a little bit more. You know, them and Washington are

1181
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 5: distancing themself more with the talent there. And then of

1182
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 5: course you got Clemson. I mean, Florida State's always going

1183
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 5: to be able to recruit well, even when Willie Tiger

1184
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 5: seems to be imploding. But this year the gap between

1185
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 5: Clemson and Florida State was probably the widest it's ever been.

1186
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 5: There's twenty teams in between those two schools in North

1187
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 5: Carolina and Miami are ahead of Florida State. Now, obviously

1188
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 5: part of that was because of the coaching change, but

1189
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 5: you know, when Clemson is continuing to lap the rest

1190
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 5: of the ACC, there's got be somebody else that has

1191
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 5: to make it somewhat competitive recruiting wise.

1192
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: In recent years, we've seen guys like PJ. Fleck, Willie Tagger,

1193
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 2: Tom Herman finds success recruiting to G five schools and

1194
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: have seen that success carry over to different extents when

1195
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: they've gotten Power five jobs. So is there a current

1196
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: G five coach that this year or even over the

1197
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 2: course of these past couple classes where you file it

1198
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 2: away and say, yeah, this guy resonates with and develops recruits.

1199
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think And we just talked about him a

1200
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 5: little bit with Mike Norvell. So he's the easiest answer

1201
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 5: because I thought he was a really good recruiter and

1202
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 5: he was at Arizona State. He's done a great job

1203
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 5: of developing and turning Brady White into the quarterback that

1204
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 5: he's become at in Memphis, who came with him when

1205
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 5: he left Arizona State. And so you know, now he's

1206
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 5: in a much easier market to recruit. You know, when

1207
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 5: you're in Memphis in recruiting, you know you have to

1208
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 5: deal with those Memphis kids looking at Ole miss going

1209
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 5: to Mississippi State. Plus then you have Tennessee on the

1210
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 5: other side of the state that's trying to recruit. Now

1211
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 5: he's not having to battle I mean, yes, he's gonna

1212
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 5: have Miami and Florida that he's going to have to

1213
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 5: battle the other schools that will recruit Florida. But he's

1214
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 5: doing it with a Florida State logo on a shirt

1215
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 5: other than a Group of five school And so I think,

1216
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 5: much like we've seen PJ. Fleck able to take that

1217
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 5: that recruiting effort and energy he had at Western Michigan

1218
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 5: to Minnesota, I think the Revel's going to be able

1219
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 5: to do it on an even brander scale because he's

1220
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 5: at a program like Florida State. I think if you know,

1221
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 5: if you look at another guy that you know, they

1222
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,959
Speaker 5: didn't have the season that I think they had hoped

1223
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 5: for this year, but Jeff Bromitt Purdue, they have another

1224
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 5: top thirty class again and he had a great recruiting

1225
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 5: class a year ago with a lot of true freshmen

1226
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 5: that really starred for them. This year George Carloftis they

1227
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 5: had the receiver bell I mean, and again another top

1228
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 5: tripping out and they had you know, they had another

1229
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 5: top thirty class this year. So he been able to

1230
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 5: take that and again it's easy to recruit a Big

1231
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 5: ten than it was to conference to USA. I think

1232
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 5: so I think the one coach that you know, Blake Anderson,

1233
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 5: is a name that I think his energy and his

1234
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 5: efforts is.

1235
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 6: Going to be evident.

1236
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 5: Here's kind of a wild card one to me that

1237
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 5: that I think, you know, I don't see him leaving

1238
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 5: just yet, but when he does, it's Nick Rolovich a

1239
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 5: Hawaii I don't think there is a more perfect match

1240
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 5: for a West Coast program, just in terms of what

1241
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 5: he will do to market his program, the energy and

1242
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 5: the love he has for his alma mater.

1243
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 6: But the reality is Hawaii is.

1244
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 5: Never going to be able to have the resources, never

1245
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 5: going to have the money to afford assistance. I mean

1246
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,439
Speaker 5: there was a year under dorm Chow where they didn't

1247
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 5: even recruit during the spring evaluation period on the mainland

1248
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 5: because they couldn't afford to send coaches over there. Now

1249
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 5: Rolovic has done a better job of getting funding because

1250
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 5: he's in alumni, he's got that passion for the university.

1251
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 5: But if Nick Rolovich ends up at a Power of

1252
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 5: five conference in the next couple of years, I think

1253
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 5: you're going to be able to see just what he

1254
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 5: can do when he's got the resources backing him up.

1255
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 5: Because he's almost a one man marketing show himself at

1256
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 5: Hawaii again meaning.

1257
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 6: That it's his alma Marterr. There's the emotional tize there.

1258
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 5: But if he decides that, you know, eventually he wants

1259
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 5: to go somewhere where he can you know, be the

1260
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 5: guy at a major program where he's got the resources

1261
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 5: in place. I see him being that PJ. Fleck type

1262
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 5: of guy where his energy is just so noticeable that

1263
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 5: recruits are going to be running through walls to play

1264
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 5: for him.

1265
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: Anybody do a good job of evaluating. Obviously not at

1266
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: a powerhouse, but you know, even a couple of years

1267
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: ago we talked about PJ. Fleck and he brought in

1268
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 2: Rashad Bateman from Georgia, where the some guys just have

1269
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 2: a really great eye for not off the beaten path,

1270
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: but like, oh, that three star can develop into something

1271
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: anybody else that's sort of ball eligible seven and five,

1272
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 2: eight and four coaches who you really like admire from

1273
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,959
Speaker 2: an evaluation standpoint at at a power five school right.

1274
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, I mean there weren't seven to five this year.

1275
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 5: They were within a game of playing for in the

1276
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 5: College Football Playoff, but that's Utah. And again, I mean

1277
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 5: you look at that backfill that they had with Zach

1278
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 5: Moss and Tyler Huntley. These are guys that are overlooking

1279
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 5: the state of Florida by the Big Three and then

1280
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 5: even by the Big two after the Big Three, and

1281
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 5: they go to Utah and they flourished for three years

1282
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 5: in that offense, and you know, they've done such a

1283
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 5: great job. And this is what I think the Pac

1284
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 5: twelve has long feared, what's going to happen when Utah

1285
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 5: starts pulling in good recruiting classes, because I don't think

1286
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 5: anybody can evaluate and develop like Utah has been these

1287
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 5: last few years. And now they signed with four of

1288
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 5: the top five players in the state of Utah. They

1289
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 5: flip in Ohio state commit. They land three Army All Americans,

1290
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 5: which is one more than they've ever had combined in

1291
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 5: the previous nineteen years. And now they've been able to

1292
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 5: you know, again, they've been able to recruit their state

1293
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 5: a little bit better. Now those kids that have left

1294
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 5: the PAC twell are left Utah to play at other

1295
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 5: Pack twelve schools they're now staying. They had an in

1296
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 5: state kid that had been a long time Texas commit,

1297
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 5: they flipped him. They had one kid that had every

1298
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 5: pack twelve school offer plus Notre Dame Michigan, LSU Texas.

1299
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 6: He stays home.

1300
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 5: You know, they were able to get the top player

1301
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,479
Speaker 5: in New Mexico. They were able to go into southern

1302
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 5: California to a couple places that and get guys that

1303
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 5: were a little bit overlooked. They go down to Texas.

1304
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 5: They've been going into Texas, they've been going into Florida

1305
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 5: under Kyle Whittingham and finding some gems that end up

1306
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 5: coming in and be an instant I PAC guys. And

1307
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 5: now they have one of their better classes. They're ranked

1308
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 5: thirty six nationally with the recent editions. They had two

1309
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 5: four stars commit today, and you know it's only good

1310
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 5: for eighth in the PAC twelve, but when you're Utah

1311
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 5: to finish in the top forty, that's remarkable because at

1312
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 5: one point they were ranked twelfth in the PAC twelve

1313
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 5: this year and they were playing for the conference championship.

1314
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 5: So again, now the PAC twelve's getting to see what

1315
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 5: some success is going to be able to translate to

1316
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 5: for Kyle Whitningham and the staff.

1317
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 2: Are there any assistance You mentioned Antonio Pierce earlier at ASU.

1318
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 2: I think he's the linebackers coach, but position coaches coordinators

1319
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: who stood out this year as being particularly successful and

1320
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 2: should command hiring attention moving forward forward, at least partially

1321
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: because of how well they've they've resonated on the recruiting trail.

1322
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 5: Well, I think, you know, the one that I would

1323
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 5: have used would be Jeff Athlete. You know, the class

1324
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 5: that he was putting together at Ohio State at one point,

1325
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 5: you know, he had the league DBS locally and nationally,

1326
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 5: he had the top safety from the west out of

1327
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 5: Arizona to the number two corner out of California, you know,

1328
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 5: And so he wasn't just recruiting local. He's a New

1329
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 5: Jersey native, he's from the northeast, and yet he was

1330
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 5: resonating nationally. And I think, you know, that's something that

1331
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 5: Boston College has got to be giddy about that he's

1332
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 5: got some national jews. You know, I don't know if

1333
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 5: Boston College is going to recruit nationally to start, but

1334
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 5: they're certainly going to try because he's got the connections

1335
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 5: around the country. But if you're going to talk about

1336
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 5: what assistant coach is probably positioning himself to this, it's

1337
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 5: on the other side of the Hallway at Ohio State,

1338
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 5: and it's Brian Hartline. In his first class, his first

1339
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 5: full recruiting class.

1340
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 6: He's ranked as.

1341
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 5: The number one recruiter in the twenty four to seven

1342
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 5: recruiter rankings. He's got six commits at the receiver pot.

1343
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 5: He's got four receivers coming in.

1344
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 6: He's got six.

1345
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 5: Guys that he's in charge of. But he has three

1346
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 5: of the top five receivers in the country already committed.

1347
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 5: Ohio State. That got the top player in Texas and

1348
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 5: Jackson sent Agiba. He's going to end up being the

1349
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 5: state player of the year, shattering Texas receiving records. I mean,

1350
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 5: when you think about that for a second, you know,

1351
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 5: the great state of Texas football, and you're about to

1352
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 5: get a guy who owns every major receiving record. Julian Fleming,

1353
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 5: who they got out of Pennsylvania. They were able to

1354
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 5: stay of off penn State, continuing to try to get

1355
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 5: him to stay home.

1356
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 6: G Scott out of Washington. That was another big one.

1357
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 5: And you know, Hartline was a guy that was an

1358
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 5: interim coach during the last year of Urban Meyer before

1359
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 5: he was moved into that role. And in his first

1360
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 5: four recruiting class, he's going to have the best class

1361
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 5: at any position group in the country, and he's in

1362
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 5: line to have the top recruiting rankings. But then, you know,

1363
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 5: you look at some of the guys that we're used

1364
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 5: to seeing. You Todd Bates, the defensive line coach it

1365
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 5: comes and he's always been able to recruit really well.

1366
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 5: Carl Scott, who's a dB couch Obama, and they don't

1367
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 5: have him just recruiting dbs, they have him recruiting a

1368
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 5: number of positions. The one guy that you know, it's

1369
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 5: started to become a rising star out west, and I

1370
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 5: know you've probably been a fan of it, was Dante Williams.

1371
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 5: You know, he's not just a fantastic DV recruiter, but

1372
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 5: he was the point man on Justin Flope. And so

1373
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 5: you have him, you got Keith Hayward, you got Ken Wilson,

1374
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 5: Joe salavea plus and Diablos on that defensive staff with

1375
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 5: a lot of ties all over the West coast, and

1376
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 5: Dante Williams is the one who was key in bringing

1377
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 5: Justin Flow to Oregon. So you know, he's kind of

1378
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 5: a new name. He had been doing a great job

1379
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 5: at recruiting when he was at Santaese State, did a

1380
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 5: good job at Arizona and then Nebraska, but when he

1381
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 5: got to Oregon, it was like, you know, free Dante,

1382
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 5: and he got to really start to show just what

1383
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 5: his chops are like this year by getting justin flow.

1384
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 5: And I think that, you know, I don't see that

1385
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 5: he's going to necessarily be a head coach in a

1386
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 5: few years, but he's putting himself into coordinator territory just

1387
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 5: like I think Heartline. You know, he he's going to

1388
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 5: be with Ryan Dave for a long time. But heartline,

1389
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 5: with his ability to relay. I mean, you talk to

1390
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 5: these receiver commits, they just they glow about him. He

1391
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 5: played there, he played in the NFL. They feel this

1392
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 5: connection with him, and he's a very fast rising star

1393
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 5: in coaching and certainly in recruiting.

1394
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: The past couple of years have been pretty mixed in

1395
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 2: terms of quarterback classes. I think it was maybe a

1396
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 2: couple of years ago where it was particularly down. And obviously,

1397
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 2: ranking quarterbacks seems to be the biggest wild card because

1398
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 2: of the sheer number of variables involved in success. So

1399
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 2: are there guys who is it a good year for

1400
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 2: quarterbacks this year? Finally, I know, there's a couple of

1401
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 2: big ones out west, and we had a couple move

1402
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: later on in the process. I know, obviously you mentioned

1403
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 2: Chubba Pardi to Florida State. I think Oregon signed a

1404
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 2: blue chip quarterback from the South in addition to another

1405
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: one from out west. But are there guys who slid

1406
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 2: under the radar because of injury, school size, growth spurt, transferring, whatever.

1407
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 2: How is this year in quarterback?

1408
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 6: It was solid. I wouldn't say it was great.

1409
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 5: I mean, you had two kind of generational quarters out

1410
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 5: of southern California in Bryce Young who spurned SC to

1411
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 5: go to Alabama, with DJ Youngalley going to Clemson. But

1412
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 5: then you know CJ. Stroud who's going to Ohio State

1413
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 5: out of Ranch Gamonga. You have those three and then

1414
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 5: it kind of drops out west, and then nationally you

1415
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 5: got a couple of guys in the state of Texas

1416
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 5: Hudson car out of Lake Travison Austin who's going to

1417
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 5: ut got Haynes King, who one of the top dual

1418
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 5: threat quarterbacks in the country. He's going to A and M.

1419
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 5: So you know, Texas had a couple of really good

1420
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 5: quarterbacks that are both stand local but then you have

1421
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 5: the West Coast schools that are the West Coast programs

1422
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 5: that the three best quarterbacks are all going to, three

1423
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 5: teams that have won a national championship in the last

1424
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 5: five years. In fact, I think Ohio State, Alabama and

1425
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 5: Clumbs that are the only three schools that have won

1426
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,879
Speaker 5: national championships in the playoff era, and three Southern California

1427
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 5: quarterbacks are going there. So if it weren't for Jay Butterfield,

1428
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 5: who's you know. And interestingly enough, one of the major

1429
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 5: reasons Oregon was able to get J Butterfield was because

1430
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 5: Stanford had a quarterback that they signed in twenty eighteen,

1431
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 5: Tanner McKee, who went on an LDS. He's coming back

1432
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 5: this year. They never offered j Butterfield, whose father was

1433
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 5: a former starting quarterback at Stanford. Any other year they

1434
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 5: probably would have offered him, and he goes to Stanford instead,

1435
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 5: He's going to Oregon. And then, like you said, Robbie

1436
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 5: Ashford was the kid from the South who had been

1437
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 5: a long time all miscommitted. He's also he's an under

1438
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 5: armourer football American and an under armer Baseball American. One

1439
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 5: of the best duals for guys. So That's the one

1440
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 5: thing Oregon's going to have to worry about is what's

1441
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 5: going to happen in June if he gets drafted. You know,

1442
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 5: will he go to the baseball route where he go

1443
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 5: and play football. But Oregon was able to get two

1444
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 5: good quarterbacks in this class, and that'll help them when

1445
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 5: they lose a guy like Justin Herbert.

1446
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean the Eliteal eleven this year was okay.

1447
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 5: I mean, I would say one of the best signings

1448
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,560
Speaker 5: that you can really look at yesterday was by a

1449
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 5: group of five school and that's Evan Prater, who's going

1450
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 5: to actually be playing in the All American Ball in

1451
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 5: San Antonio. He's from Cincinnati and he's going to Cincinnati.

1452
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 5: That is one of the better quarterbacks that a group

1453
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 5: of five school has signed really in the last five

1454
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 5: or six years. And I think he's going to be

1455
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 5: a star there for Luke Fickle. And so you know,

1456
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 5: it's again it's kind of sobering and indicting when you

1457
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 5: know you have the Big three in California they all

1458
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 5: leave the state and then one of the best quarterbacks

1459
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,799
Speaker 5: nationally is a guy going to a group of five school.

1460
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 5: You know, it just quarterback recruiting is impossible almost these days.

1461
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 5: If you don't start a kid as a true freshman,

1462
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 5: he'll be in the portal before you're opening game. And

1463
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 5: so coaches always have to recruit with the mentality that

1464
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 5: I am probably going to lose this guy, and it's

1465
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 5: no longer I may lose this guy. You almost have

1466
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 5: to operate with the understanding like you probably will.

1467
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 6: Lose that guy.

1468
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,560
Speaker 2: Wow, what position was strong? What was deep? What was impressive?

1469
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 2: Where do you see talent spreading across the country? Position wise?

1470
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 6: It's easy because.

1471
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 5: This is always probably the most ranked position, which is receiver.

1472
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 5: But this really is kind of a renaissance year for receivers.

1473
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 5: I mean, there's just so many special, elite pass catchers

1474
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 5: all throughout the country in Texas and Florida, you know,

1475
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 5: in California, but then it states that you wouldn't necessarily

1476
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 5: maybe think are producing great receivers, but Washington and Pennsylvania

1477
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 5: both heavy leade receivers, and I think that you know,

1478
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 5: with the rise in seven on seven over the last

1479
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 5: few years, you're seeing in obviously the spread offenses and

1480
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 5: more and more offenses using three and four receivers at

1481
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 5: a time. You're seeing kind of the receiver position, the

1482
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,440
Speaker 5: importance at it, and just how easy.

1483
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 6: It is to play as a true freshman.

1484
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 5: We're seeing so many guys play ass true freshmen, and

1485
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 5: it's not just the receiver position per se, but it's

1486
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,560
Speaker 5: also those athletic receiving tight ends. No longer are you

1487
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 5: finding the big rumland stumbling, traditional inline tight end. You're

1488
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 5: finding the six foot five, six foot six two and

1489
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 5: forty and fifty pounds that you're flexing out wide and

1490
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 5: throwing the ball to them. I mean, the National Player

1491
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 5: of the Year by gator Rade was a tight end,

1492
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 5: Eric Gilbert out of Murria to Georgia who's going to LSU.

1493
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 5: And there is seven eight super freaky, elite type of

1494
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 5: tight ends in this class. So it's really a pass

1495
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 5: catcher game right now. And this is one of the

1496
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 5: best classes in terms of you know, true receivers, slot receivers,

1497
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 5: tight ends, you know traditional you know the why is

1498
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 5: the inside receivers. It's becoming more and more like just

1499
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 5: the requirement to bring in three or four receivers in

1500
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 5: each class and play those guys as freshmen, and Ohio State,

1501
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 5: you know they are well ahead of of everybody else

1502
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 5: with their receiver class with Julian Fleming, Jackson, stiph Dejiba,

1503
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 5: Angie Scott, and you know, they lose some receivers, but

1504
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 5: then they got a Garrett Wilson to come in, They

1505
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 5: got a Chrystal Lobby for another year, and now you're

1506
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 5: bringing in three elite receivers. You know that receiver position

1507
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 5: that's total high sted. But nationally is seeing probably its

1508
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 5: most golden era right now.

1509
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,759
Speaker 2: Was twenty nineteen, and I guess going into twenty twenty,

1510
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 2: what is creativity? What is relentlessness? You know, what are

1511
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 2: the teams that are staying ahead of the curve, staying

1512
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 2: ahead of the pack. What are they doing to sort

1513
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 2: of separate themselves, essentially from from schools who are not

1514
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 2: putting as much focus and resources into recruiting. What does

1515
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: the modern recruiting office look like.

1516
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 6: Well, you know there's a ton of people.

1517
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 5: You're seeing recruiting staff that sometimes have eighteen to twenty

1518
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,520
Speaker 5: five part time full time staffers.

1519
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 6: You have analysts.

1520
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 5: You know, it was it wasn't long ago where we

1521
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 5: had the era of you know, a grad assistant who

1522
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 5: was in charge of recruiting as well as helping with

1523
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 5: the offensive game plan on a week.

1524
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 6: Now you have six to eight.

1525
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 5: Undergraduate recruiting assistants, and then you have a director of

1526
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 5: on campus recruit you have a director of high school relations,

1527
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 5: you have a director you know of recruiting strategies. So

1528
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 5: you're seeing more and more schools put the resources in

1529
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 5: having in eighteen to twenty two person recruiting staff so

1530
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 5: they can handle the high amount of unofficial business that

1531
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 5: that school's hosting, they can handle when the coaches are

1532
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 5: going on the road, they can have a plan in place.

1533
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 5: And so you're seeing, you know, more and more schools

1534
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 5: using the spring, the unofficial business in the spring, or

1535
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 5: their own spring game as kind of the big one.

1536
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 5: Oregon has been doing as good a job of any

1537
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 5: school in the country of having their spring game being

1538
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 5: kind of the marquee event for recruits that they have

1539
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 5: so many recruits that are coming in on their own

1540
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 5: dime for that unofficial in April to see the spring

1541
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 5: game the seahawksin stadium, you know when and it's not

1542
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 5: like it's a Nebraska spring game where there's seventy five

1543
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 5: thousand people in the scenes or you know, a Southern

1544
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 5: an SEC spring game, but it's getting these kids to

1545
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 5: come to Oregon on their own dime, unofficially and seeing

1546
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 5: the energy of practice. And you know, when you talk

1547
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 5: to a kid that's on an unofficial visit after the

1548
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 5: trip's over, you you asked, what was the highlight? And

1549
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 5: it's before they even get off the elevator in the

1550
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 5: football facility. They're overwhelmed by thirty to forty assistant coaches

1551
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 5: and admins yelling, screaming, cheering for them as.

1552
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 6: They get out of the elevator, before they even started

1553
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 6: the visit.

1554
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 5: So you're already starting with one foot ahead, one step

1555
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,759
Speaker 5: ahead of everybody. You can see, you know, the pictures

1556
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 5: that we've seen, the videos that go viral of the

1557
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 5: photo sessions on the unofficial visits, and you've got the

1558
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 5: organ straate, the condition coaches and the assistant coaches, and

1559
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 5: they're getting these guys hyped up and letting these guys

1560
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 5: just be themselves be there. You know, they're essentially branding themselves.

1561
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 5: You know, I looked at what like Oklahoma was doing

1562
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 5: yesterday with each player having their own personalized branding logo.

1563
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 5: You know, you saw how so many schools are using

1564
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 5: signing Day as a chance to let their marketing team

1565
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 5: get loose and really show their creativity, and so social media,

1566
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 5: personal branding. Those are the programs the schools that are

1567
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 5: ahead of the curve in that stage, and that in

1568
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 5: those steps are the ones that they're signing the big

1569
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 5: time classes when maybe they don't necessarily have the eleven

1570
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 5: one season and the glut of first round draft picks

1571
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 5: to sell.

1572
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 6: This is how they're selling it.

1573
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 5: I mean, the puppets that Baylor was doing yesterday, how

1574
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 5: genius and how brilliant was that. It's it's quirky, and

1575
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 5: you could even say it's got a little bit of

1576
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 5: cheesiness to it.

1577
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 6: But it worked. Everybody was talking about what Baylor was doing.

1578
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 5: People were talking about syracuses, you know, they're the superhero graphics.

1579
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 5: They were talking about what Notre Dame was doing, what

1580
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 5: Oklahoma is doing, you know.

1581
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 6: And so the more these kids see the.

1582
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 5: Excitement out a program on social media, because these kids

1583
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 5: are I have two teenagers myself, they're glue to social media.

1584
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,520
Speaker 5: And so these recruits who have thirty forty thousand followers

1585
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 5: that are you know, speaking the gospel of their school,

1586
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 5: they're seeing the excitement kids are wanting to go on

1587
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 5: their own to take unofficial business to school and then

1588
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 5: they're wowed themselves.

1589
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 6: And that's what the creativity is.

1590
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 5: It's allowing these kids to be themselves, to have that

1591
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 5: personal brand. You know, it still helps to win, and

1592
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 5: it still helps put guys in the NFL. But when

1593
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 5: you don't have that in you, or you don't have

1594
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 5: a long history of that, you look for the other

1595
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 5: angles and those are schools that are being creative and

1596
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 5: it's impressing in wowing kids and leading to those kids

1597
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 5: committment and being a part of that program.

1598
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 2: Ties not on the line, but I'll throw him a

1599
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 2: bone here. Notre Dame finishes with what looks like a

1600
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 2: top ten class in terms of the average commitments or

1601
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 2: average signee rating. What does Notre Dame's class look like

1602
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 2: and who could possibly get on the field pretty early

1603
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 2: for the Irish.

1604
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 5: Probably one of my favorite players in this entire class,

1605
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 5: you know, regardless of position, is Tosh Baker. He's the

1606
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 5: number one offenseve lineman out on the West Coast.

1607
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 6: He is a just dad.

1608
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 5: I mean, he's basically Ronnie Stanley, but what eight years

1609
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 5: later a former he is a basket I wouldn't say's

1610
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 5: former basketball player. The kids still playing basketball. But that

1611
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 5: was a big thing for him, is he was doing

1612
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 5: AAU hoops for the Oakland Soldiers, you know, being the

1613
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 5: longtime Arizona based Oakland Soldiers. Apparently he's out in Arizona,

1614
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 5: but he was. You know, if you follow AAU basketball,

1615
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 5: you know the Open Soldiers are a prominent program nationally.

1616
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 5: So he was playing as a six foot eight two

1617
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 5: and seventy five pounds capital he's playing as a center.

1618
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 5: And at the school he was at Pinnacle High School

1619
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 5: in Phoenix, they had Nicco Mannion who was a McDonald's

1620
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 5: All American.

1621
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 6: Now at Arizona.

1622
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 5: You know, Tosh Baker is the big guy down low.

1623
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 5: So you watch this guy with this with these magical feet,

1624
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 5: this big guy and he's got these just these magical

1625
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 5: footwork that is coming from his basketball background. And now

1626
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 5: you put him at left tackle and you just know

1627
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 5: that as he continues to add weight and strength, he's

1628
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 5: got a chance to be a really special left tackle,

1629
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 5: much like Ronnie Stanley was in Ronnie Stanley too was

1630
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 5: a high school basketball player who played with an eleague

1631
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 5: guy when he was a Bishop Borman but realized once

1632
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 5: he got to college, hey I'm going to be a

1633
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 5: future first rounder focused on football and.

1634
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 6: Ended up being a top ten pick.

1635
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 5: That's a guy that I think Notre Dame fans are

1636
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 5: going to be really excited about because he's never spent

1637
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 5: an entire offseason dedicated exclusively to football and now he's

1638
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 5: going to have that. But this is another day. You know,

1639
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 5: they like their linemen. They do love those big, physical guys,

1640
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 5: but they also love the guys to get into the

1641
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 5: end zone. And one guy who's going to be expected

1642
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 5: to do that a lot is the number one all

1643
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 5: purpose back in the country. I think Chris Tyree out

1644
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 5: of Virginia, he picked for Notre Dame over Oklahoma, look

1645
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 5: like he might end up at Oklahoma. But the number

1646
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 5: one play all purpose back. I mean, he can be

1647
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 5: used in so many ways. He can be a return guy,

1648
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 5: he can be a slot receiver, you can put him

1649
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 5: in the backfield, use him for ender rounds, and he's

1650
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,560
Speaker 5: coming to Notre Dame. They've also got out one of

1651
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 5: the top five receivers in the country, even though Ohio

1652
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 5: State kind of has the monopoly there. They've got the

1653
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 5: number four receiver in Jordan Johnson out of Missouri. They

1654
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 5: have the guy who I think is probably the best

1655
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 5: pure all around tight end. And Michael Mayer. I know

1656
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 5: that Derek Gilbert's ready ahead of him because of the athleticism.

1657
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 5: But Mayor is that guy that you know, he's the

1658
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 5: Notre Dame tight end that we've been seeing for the

1659
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 5: last thirty to forty years. Will block you one play

1660
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 5: and then he'll run, he'll route you on the next way.

1661
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 5: And then another kid that they got out of Hawaii.

1662
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 5: One of the last time they got an elite linebacker

1663
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 5: at the State of Hawaii, it was man Titeo. And

1664
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 5: here they come back in twenty twenty, getting Jordan Bottello

1665
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 5: out of Saint Louis High School to a tongue by

1666
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 5: low Marcus Mariota School. And here's a kid that Notre

1667
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 5: Dame was able to get, largely because Brian Pollion was

1668
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 5: the primary recruiter for Mantiteo, and he went back to

1669
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 5: Hawaii and he was the primary recruiter for Botello and

1670
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 5: again going into.

1671
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 6: Hawaii to get and this guy, he's ruthless and punishing.

1672
01:21:54,520 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 5: I mean, he's every bit the physical just manium act

1673
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 5: that justin flow is, and maybe even a little bit

1674
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 5: more because he's had to off the field issues with

1675
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 5: some altercations where some guys decide they want to try

1676
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 5: to step up to him. So he's actually suspended for

1677
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,600
Speaker 5: his last, yeah, his last high school game, which is

1678
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 5: this week, and he gains Saint Thomas Klins. He doesn't

1679
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 5: get to play in it because of an altercation. But

1680
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 5: you know, he's that physical guy that's going to come

1681
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 5: in and be that enforcer in the middle of the

1682
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 5: defense for Notre Dame.

1683
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 2: Fair enough, and obviously we're still in the middle of

1684
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty class. But I'm sure you as are

1685
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 2: every as every coach in America already looking at twenty

1686
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:37,440
Speaker 2: twenty one. So between I guess the expected and the unexpected,

1687
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: it it was I guess exploded off the blocks for

1688
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one recruits.

1689
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 5: Well, you know you're gonna like to hear this because

1690
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 5: they are a school that you are fond of yourself.

1691
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 5: It's organ you know, and part of the reason that

1692
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 5: they've been able to recruit so well is in that

1693
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 5: class for twenty twenty one is they've already put the

1694
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 5: majority of their twenty twenty class together, so that allowed

1695
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 5: them to really start to turn their attention to the

1696
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one class. So out west, I mean, Oregon's

1697
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 5: got four four stars already. They got the number one

1698
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 5: player in the state of Oregon and Keith Brown, who's

1699
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 5: at eleven on. They've got seven the gee who's back

1700
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 5: in southern California.

1701
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 6: He's played in New York.

1702
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 5: They've got Kyron Warehudson, whose older brother Keon is a

1703
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 5: defensive lineman at Orgon right now, so they're a top

1704
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 5: ten class in the twenty one class. And you know

1705
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 5: tis not here, but let's throw another bone right now.

1706
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 5: Notre Dame's the top the list in the twenty twenty

1707
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 5: one class with seven commits already, all four stars. They've

1708
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 5: got a quarterback who is a really fascinating quarterback named

1709
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 5: Tyler Buckner out of San Diego. He got hurt on

1710
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 5: the opening series. He didn't start as a freshman. He

1711
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 5: gets brought up to varsity with about ten to twelve offers.

1712
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 5: He was a really high level acrosse player as a youth.

1713
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 5: Gets brought up to varsity as a sophomore. On the

1714
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 5: opening series of the opening game of the season, he

1715
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 5: tears his ACL so he misses his whole sophomore year,

1716
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 5: but comes back and just shows in the offseason the

1717
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 5: dynamite in his arm.

1718
01:23:58,280 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 6: He commits to Notre Dame in.

1719
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 5: March, comes back and has just a amazing junior season

1720
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 5: both running the ball, and you would never been able

1721
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 5: to tell this guy missed the sophomore year with an

1722
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 5: ACL injury because of the way he ran, and was

1723
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 5: the San Diego County Player of the year. So they've

1724
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 5: got you know, he's the top five TOPI two player

1725
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,640
Speaker 5: nationally and Leak quarterback, so they've gotten a lot of

1726
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 5: help already in the offense side of the ball. A

1727
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 5: couple of receivers committed, a tight end, committed, a quarterback, and.

1728
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:24,839
Speaker 6: A couple of offensive alignments.

1729
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,959
Speaker 5: So you know, this is the solid verbal top ten rankings,

1730
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 5: but it's you know, that's how it's looking. And then

1731
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 5: of course the usual suspects already starting strong for twenty

1732
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 5: twenty one Ohio State two, Texas three, Florida, Miami four

1733
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 5: and five. And then kind of a surprise there Wisconsin

1734
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 5: sitting then early at the number six position, and I

1735
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,879
Speaker 5: think that you know, again, like we talked about North Carolina,

1736
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 5: these are schools. Wisconsin is one of those schools that

1737
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 5: they usually have the upper hand because of their ability

1738
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 5: to evaluate and develop, but if they start getting some

1739
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 5: good recruits coming in, you know, that could be a

1740
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 5: problem for that division in the Big ten.

1741
01:24:58,560 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 6: Wow.

1742
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 2: All right, Brandon Uffan, thank you very much for your time.

1743
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,560
Speaker 2: That was exhaustive but not exhausting. There is a difference.

1744
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 2: Be sure to follow Brandon. Be sure to find all

1745
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 2: of his work on twenty four to seven Sports. This

1746
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 2: is a year round thing, as everybody listening knows, and

1747
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 2: nobody does it better than Brandon. Brandon, thank you very

1748
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 2: much for your time.

1749
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: Dan.

1750
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 5: I appreciate always great talking to you, and please sell it.

1751
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 6: Ty said, hello, alrighty, Dan, there you go.

1752
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: There is the huff he's back.

1753
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 2: Oh man, the bast the best undefeated. Yeah. Alarming detail

1754
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 2: like you predicted, and interesting hearing his thoughts about new coaches.

1755
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 1: I was.

1756
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 2: I'm always interested to hear what modern recruiting departments look like.

1757
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 2: And I'm glad he touched on that because it's one

1758
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 2: of the reasons people have pointed to where Urban Meyer

1759
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 2: wasn't fully sold on USC that the infrastructure of their program,

1760
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 2: including the recruiting department with Ohio State and Florida before that,

1761
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 2: taking so many steps to be so completely all in

1762
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 2: for recruit in the student athlete experience. It's fascinating to

1763
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,600
Speaker 2: hear how many people are employed to either completely or

1764
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:11,799
Speaker 2: crazosly operate in the recruiting world social media and everything

1765
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 2: like that. So fascinating stuff. And glad he got to

1766
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 2: point out some smaller schools and some Power five programs

1767
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 2: that don't necessarily get the attention that they deserve and

1768
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 2: what they've done on the recruiting trail.

1769
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 1: So always great. All right, well, that was a lot

1770
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 1: of fun.

1771
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 3: Thank you again to our friend Brandon Huffman twenty four

1772
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 3: to seven for stopping on by giving us some of

1773
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 3: his perspectives. Yeah, that's your playoff preview, that's your signing

1774
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 3: day recap. We will be back in a few short

1775
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 3: days to talk about other Bowl action.

1776
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: But Dan, in the meantime, I think that's I think

1777
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 1: that's all I got.

1778
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 3: It's all I got as well, for that guy over there,

1779
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 3: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Ty Hilton Brand.

1780
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 1: We will catch you all talk more bulls in a

1781
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: few short days. In the meantime, stay solid, Pie