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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast all.

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Speaker 2: Right kb our special guests. This week, We've got Janet

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Speaker 2: and Michelle from the Valley. Have you been watching or

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Speaker 2: I mean, did you watch season one and two?

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Speaker 3: I didn't, but this might be.

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Speaker 4: This might these girls might be the girls that get

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Speaker 4: me into reality TV because season three is coming and

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Speaker 4: season three's preview is really fun to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what we need?

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Speaker 3: We do, we sure do so.

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Speaker 2: The Valley season three premieeres April first, airing Wednesday at

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Speaker 2: eight pm Eastern Time on Bravo, with episodes streaming the

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Speaker 2: next day on Peacock. Let's see if we can get

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Speaker 2: some juicy stuff from them. Let's get them on Hi girls,

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Speaker 2: how are you hey good?

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Speaker 5: How are you good?

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Speaker 2: Michelle? I haven't talked to you in so long, and

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you the premiere. I have to

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Speaker 2: say though, because we were talking about another show that is

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Speaker 2: just so heavy and that's so so much that I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I I texted the girls this morning. I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 2: really hoping The Valley brings us some I guess the drama,

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Speaker 2: but like I need some I want to watch fun too.

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Speaker 2: It's like there's so much going on in this one

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Speaker 2: other show that we watch and talk about on the

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Speaker 2: show that I'm just like, sometimes it's just too heavy.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to watch it. I stopped watching it.

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Speaker 6: I think we feel the same way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is it a Secret Life of a Mormon Wife.

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Speaker 5: I think we're all a lot lighter.

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Speaker 6: We had so much fun together and we just like

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Speaker 6: had so many moments where we were laughing and we're like,

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Speaker 6: this is what it's all about.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I felt like last season was dark.

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Speaker 1: There were just so many dark things happening, and like

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Speaker 1: with divorce and separations and all of those, like it

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Speaker 1: just gets so heavy. And I will say, like filming

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Speaker 1: season three, this was by far the most and hardest

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Speaker 1: I laughed on camera of any time.

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Speaker 5: We've ever filmed. So I think you are going to

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Speaker 5: get a lot more of like lighter, lighter.

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Speaker 1: Topics, like you know, a lot of people like kind

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Speaker 1: of moving on from the darkness and seeing people a

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Speaker 1: new lighter, bright.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 2: I think it's hard too, because I really loved season one,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not saying I didn't like season two, but

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Speaker 2: I did struggle a bit too, because you see people

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Speaker 2: going through some really hard things like Britt and Jackson,

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Speaker 2: like you know you, It's like it's hard to be

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Speaker 2: a viewer in those situations because I just want to

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Speaker 2: call you and be like hey, like heart check, Like

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Speaker 2: there's so many people that are watching this and judging

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Speaker 2: you guys and having their opinions. We come have our opinions.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like I also feel bad in that for that

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Speaker 2: for you guys too, So how how do you guys

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Speaker 2: walk through? I mean, like you've walked through a divorce

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Speaker 2: and now having to film with your ex husband. Like

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Speaker 2: I don't envy that situation in a sis.

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Speaker 5: I mean I wake up, I'm like, how did I

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Speaker 5: just do that?

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Speaker 6: But I think back and I'm like, that was the

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Speaker 6: worst time of anybody's life. Like you know, you go

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Speaker 6: through a divorce and there's always going to be a

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Speaker 6: nasty stage and unfortunately we had to do that on TV.

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Speaker 6: And I think we've moved past that and so you

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Speaker 6: see the growth in both of us.

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Speaker 5: I'm so proud of you. I feel like you've handled

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Speaker 5: so much great.

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Speaker 1: And like, you know, even when you would have moments

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Speaker 1: where you were like you know, human being and let

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Speaker 1: like you know your anger or sadness show, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I also think that that's like beautiful and vulnerable in

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Speaker 1: so many ways too. And you you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: poised as you are and like you handle everything. Like

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Speaker 1: there's so many times where I'm like taking notes from

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Speaker 1: Michelle on how she handles things. But even when you

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Speaker 1: do have moments where your like, you know, sad or upset,

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Speaker 1: I'm like that also, like I feel like helps people

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Speaker 1: who are going through those things themselves too.

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure, Like if I had a camera in

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Speaker 2: my face when I was going through my divorce.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh my gosh, well, I was just gonna say,

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Speaker 4: like for me even just that I admire you so

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Speaker 4: much for even being willing to film postpartum.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we don't even film here. We just talk.

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Speaker 4: And there's times where I'm like, shouldn't have said that.

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't have said that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll never always go back to this.

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Speaker 2: When I was filming Postpartum, it was like I was

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Speaker 2: a week postpartum and I was crying about a butcher

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Speaker 2: box ad because my emotions were just like I'm like,

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Speaker 2: imagine like getting being on a reality show and the

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Speaker 2: film in your life so I mean.

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Speaker 4: Props, friendships have been changing. So what is it like then,

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Speaker 4: like when you when you do you watch it back?

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Speaker 4: I guess this is my first question? Or is that

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Speaker 4: too painful?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I watch everything once and then after that I

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Speaker 1: try to just like after it's aired and everything, like

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Speaker 1: I don't go back and watch like season one or two.

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Speaker 5: No, like it's once I've gotten it, it's the past.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I also like want to remember

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Speaker 1: and really live in like the truth of that. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: filming like season when I was pregnant, season two, I

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Speaker 1: and just kind of like starting to feel back to

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Speaker 1: my normal self. I will say like season three is

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Speaker 1: the most I've felt like my genuine self on camera

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Speaker 1: because it was like, you know, my babies like one

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Speaker 1: feeling like I don't know, like I was I could

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is there anything that you've said postpartum, divorce,

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Speaker 4: any of it? That you're like, I shouldn't have said that.

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Speaker 5: Oh totally a million times.

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Speaker 6: I've never thrown at anybody in my life.

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Speaker 5: How did I do that?

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Speaker 3: Why am I here?

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Speaker 2: I mean trauma, the you know, it was just like not.

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Speaker 5: For the enough.

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Speaker 6: And I did have a couple of glasses of wine

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Speaker 5: There there it is. But there she is, there she is.

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Speaker 5: I wish i'd do that, but we learn. Yeah. I

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Speaker 5: think if you don't have regrets, then you're not self aware.

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Speaker 1: Like if you're if you're just going through this and

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Speaker 1: you're like zero regrets, wouldn't change a thing. Like I

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Speaker 1: think that's part of this experience is watching yourself back

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Speaker 5: I don't want that to happen again.

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Speaker 1: So I think it is like a it's a gift

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Speaker 5: And I think you're not doing that, You're not doing

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Speaker 6: I think we're really good at that and taking accountability

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Speaker 6: and even like I'll tell her if she did something wrong,

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Speaker 6: and vice versa and we own it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who do you think has the hardest time taking accountability?

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Speaker 6: That's a tough one with this group, I will say,

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Speaker 6: like the whole, I feel like the ones who.

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Speaker 5: Is like La La, Michelle, Brittany and I.

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Speaker 1: We have like a very good girl group in that sense,

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Speaker 1: and when one of us is doing something, we're not

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Speaker 1: afraid to be like, look, I get where you were

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Speaker 1: the way it came off, the way you said it,

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Speaker 1: Like I would like, you know, revisit that, or if

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Speaker 1: I were you, I would like apologize for this. Like

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Speaker 1: There's been plenty of times where we've gone to each

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Speaker 5: Even and sometimes it's like, oh, you're right.

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Speaker 1: Like so I feel like all of us take the

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Speaker 1: most accountability and the rest of the group, you know,

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Speaker 1: they have their moments.

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Speaker 3: How did this show come to be? Was this a group?

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Speaker 3: Because you guys have some pretty rich history.

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Speaker 4: So is this a group that goes all the way back?

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Speaker 4: I'm a new Valley Girl. Okay, I gotta tell you,

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Speaker 4: I'm not a reality TV fan at all. I did

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Speaker 4: don't reality Well, like that's why Mormon Wives is like

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Speaker 3: But I really enjoyed.

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Speaker 4: This little cast of characters that y'all have. But you're

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Speaker 5: It's kind of crazy.

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Speaker 6: We all have just completely different stories and somehow we're

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Speaker 3: You can tell that. That's why I think I like it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was Britain to really put it together.

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Speaker 1: which is moved to the valley, like buying a house,

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Speaker 1: starting a family, like marriage, kids, and so naturally there

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Speaker 1: was a group of us that were always like at

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Speaker 1: each other baby showers and like in those kind of

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Speaker 1: this little nugget that's crazy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And like so we all.

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Speaker 1: Just kind of were at like those events together and

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Speaker 1: it was like that kind of stage of life, and

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Speaker 1: Brittany came to all of us and was kind of like,

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Speaker 1: would you guys, you know, if we built a show.

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Speaker 5: About our lives and where we're at now, would you

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Speaker 5: guys be interested? And we all kind of were like, well,

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Speaker 6: Like, yeah, I never thought it would actually happen.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned it to me.

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Speaker 6: But she was always the brains of everything and she

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Speaker 5: So it was just like go to Britney's house.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, literally every holidays of like that, she goes above

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just a combination of that.

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Speaker 2: Michelle, your ex has his new girlfriend on the show.

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Speaker 2: Was there a convo before that or him and her?

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Speaker 2: No before her, like for her coming on the show

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Speaker 2: did he because I feel like that's the respectful thing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Janet, you're starting the season you and Kristen

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say you see moments of that.

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Speaker 1: There are people on our show who have said, like,

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Speaker 5: Lives, and I feel like we have to do that

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Speaker 1: See that like there's a camera right there, and it's like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is tricky because there's people that have been

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Speaker 2: How has it been having Laala and Tom come on?

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Speaker 1: I think it's been a really good energy. Laala, first

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Speaker 5: She's the best narrator.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think we're like having a drink or whatever,

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Speaker 2: What did I do?

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Speaker 3: The La La line is open sober sister on duty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Schwartz is just like such a goofy,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Tom and I have a lot of interaction

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Speaker 5: It's like we're both divorced, we're both single.

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Speaker 2: And like, Michelle, you're not because I saw you kind

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Speaker 5: And now I feel like if you.

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Speaker 5: I have a list. I'm very clear minded.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, there's no there's no non negotiables.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I love that, Janet, You're so sweet, You're

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Speaker 5: She's like, you know what, he was really great, he

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for me, it's like I want to find my

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure he comes.

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Speaker 2: Well, I love you, girls, and I cannot wait to

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Speaker 2: watch the fun with a little drama. So thank you

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Speaker 2: for coming on. We know you a crazy press tour,

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Speaker 2: so go kill it, and thank you for spending some

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Speaker 5: Thanks for.

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Speaker 2: Bye girls, Bye bye

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