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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's the Almost Anna's podcast, and you've got me here

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Speaker 2: holding down solo. Ben has so many solo episodes himself

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Speaker 2: this week between his two events and today, I'm excited

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Speaker 2: that we this is good time to just be girls

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Speaker 2: because we have someone that we all love, Enbachlorination.

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Speaker 3: She's resoually gone through a.

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Speaker 2: Pretty difficult experience and she has a beautiful baby now

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Speaker 2: through it. Please welcome Crystal Nielsen. Hi, thank you for

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Speaker 2: having me so oh my gosh, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 2: It's been too long. I really haven't spoken to face

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Speaker 2: to face and to wait far too long.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's been since Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Vegas. What are we doing in Vegas?

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Speaker 4: Remember when we went to Vegas?

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Speaker 3: Are you not gonna talk about Nashville?

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Speaker 4: Well, we did Vegas, and I think Nashville is after that.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Naville is right after.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Both are really fun. They were they were. I

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Speaker 4: was literally just looking at photos from Vegas like you

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Speaker 4: get iPhoto memory and selfie like Miles and I popped up.

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh yeah, that was a really good time.

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Speaker 3: I love Myles.

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Speaker 2: He's so great that was okay, now that you just

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Speaker 2: put it in my head, I was thinking, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it was the time that I first met Miles

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Speaker 2: and I was like, why does he remind me so

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Speaker 2: much of Robert.

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Speaker 3: Pattinson, doesn't he?

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Speaker 2: Yes, It's like so crazy because right off the bat

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Speaker 2: you don't think that, and then you see him in

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Speaker 2: person and like his mannerisms or something, and he's Robert

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Speaker 2: Pattinson because he's very meek, you know, he's just very

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Speaker 2: like humble, and he's very Edward like you know, like yeah,

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Speaker 2: like very very mysterious spoken and mysterious very.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't suck my blood though.

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Speaker 2: You guys have been together for so long now, and

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Speaker 2: I'm just happy that you have found such happiness with him,

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Speaker 2: and you have two beautiful children. Now.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe how old Andara is.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's just so funny, like because you know,

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Speaker 4: we met so almost ten years ago, you know, like

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Speaker 4: nine years ago, and it is crazy just how fast

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Speaker 4: the time goes. And I will say, like now, being

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Speaker 4: a mom and being a parent, I'm sure you can

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Speaker 4: attest to this, just like your perspective and outlook on

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Speaker 4: life completely changes.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm like judge.

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Speaker 2: I like, IM like, awfully judge, because like when I

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Speaker 2: hear somebody complaining about something that's like so trivial, I

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Speaker 2: am like.

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Speaker 3: But you have your children and your health, okay.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you just uh, I mean especially just everything

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Speaker 4: that just being so crazy in the world, Like when

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Speaker 4: you have kids, like you're just in it so differently

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Speaker 4: right because you're thinking of them and their future, and

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Speaker 4: especially now being a mom of two, that has been

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Speaker 4: such an interesting act for me to balance and a

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Speaker 4: lot harder than I initially thought, and so much harder

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Speaker 4: than just going from zero to one. Whoever, the lady

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Speaker 4: said zero to one, No, it was harder. I was like,

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Speaker 4: that is a lie.

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Speaker 3: Who it is, and there's a lot of that.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot out. I'm like, okay, I did zero

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Speaker 4: to one. That was easy. But it was also because

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Speaker 4: my daughter was born during the pandemic, so there was

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Speaker 4: nowhere to go, nothing to do, like we were just home.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like I really like stepped into truly

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Speaker 4: like my most authentic best self, like becoming a mother

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Speaker 4: to her, and so I really thought, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 4: that'll be easy one to two.

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Speaker 3: Not at all.

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Speaker 2: Well, so many people were telling me, and when I

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Speaker 2: say so many, I do think it's like almost a

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Speaker 2: one is harder or one to two. And I am

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Speaker 2: such in the camp that one to two is harder,

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Speaker 2: other fifty percent lead you mean, the direction of truth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, and most people say though, that the third is

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Speaker 2: Oh so everybody says the third and I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 2: not even gonna try, but thank you for showing like

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Speaker 2: this for me. No, it's funny because my nanny said

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Speaker 2: always like, you guys, diould have a third you have

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Speaker 2: And then I'm like, oh, so, like they're not you

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Speaker 3: It's just gonna be that. But I know that you

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Speaker 3: may want more. Yeah, well, I know. We we'll get

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it would have to be in a non

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Speaker 2: conventional probably way correct. Yeah, all right, so let's jump

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Speaker 2: into that. You recently about how many weeks ago. Has

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Speaker 2: it been since Rowan was born.

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Speaker 4: It's been twelve weeks.

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Speaker 3: Twelve weeks, Holy moly, I was gonna guess eight.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so I think this is like the last week.

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Speaker 4: I'm technically in the fourth trimester, uh huh, which I

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Speaker 4: feel really good, Like, honestly, I feel like I've fully

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Speaker 4: recovered from my surgeries. I feel really strong now that

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Speaker 4: I've been making a little space for self care. My

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Speaker 4: And then I just really like opened up and communicated

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Speaker 4: And I would say, like having a second child really

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Speaker 4: to have little wins. And I'm specifically talking about like

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Speaker 4: for my health goals, my fitness goals, my self care goals,

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Speaker 4: my mental health goals need to be little wins that

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Speaker 4: And so giving myself that permission that I can't compare

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Speaker 4: especially like being in the gym for three hours a day,

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Speaker 4: Like that's not who I am anymore. And there's an

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Speaker 2: What'snick, what's an example of one of your small winds

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Speaker 4: So specifically, it was working out. We have like I

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Speaker 2: We could like, have you come back and do an

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Speaker 2: entire segment on winter mental health and winter wellness because

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's like an age thing.

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Speaker 2: Or because the Northeast, the East in general, actually like

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Speaker 2: a brutal winter. But it's like I feel my I

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Speaker 2: be very interesting conversation to have with you, because I'm

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Speaker 2: so jealous that you are in San Diego.

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Speaker 4: Anytime you want to come visit brand we have.

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Speaker 2: We're going guess where we're going this week with Jade

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Speaker 2: we've never gone there for vacation and not show and

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Speaker 2: we like to do a trip with Jada and Tanner

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Speaker 2: every year and the kids have never well Emmy has

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Speaker 4: So that is going to be so fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're really really really excited and to get the

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Speaker 4: I mean people like listening that's where they filmed The

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Speaker 2: But we I feel like to us who have filmed it,

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Speaker 4: Wait, and that's so special because you know you got

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Speaker 4: engaged there, like you guys both met your partners there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like that is Valentine's which is really cool.

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Speaker 4: I love that for you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks, Yeah, I'm so excited. We went for our

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Speaker 2: friend's wedding last year. She was got married in the

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Speaker 3: We have got to like actually come.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, enough about me, I want to get into

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Speaker 2: your whole fertility and pregnancy and delivery journey, which I

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Speaker 2: know is going to be like emotion filled for you.

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Speaker 3: So just I'm you know, we'll take it as we go.

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Speaker 2: So the first, first off, you it took a little

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Speaker 2: had a post that was controversial. This is like years

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Speaker 2: with Enara, well it was a surprise and you got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So then how long did it take to get

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, just going back to that post. So I

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Speaker 4: posted that in like October twenty twenty three, and we've

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Speaker 4: and what it had showed was that all my sex

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Speaker 4: hormones were completely tanked. And then I was in p amenopause,

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Speaker 4: started doing was I was working with a functional practitioner

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Speaker 4: all kind of natural stuff, but some were like boving

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Speaker 2: Wow, that is an emotional journey, that really is. And

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Speaker 2: Know, I know, it's such a hard delicate balance talking

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Speaker 4: You're allowed to have that, Like, every every feeling is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe ask me questions, because I'm gonna.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So with then Dara, I progressed like pretty quickly,

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Speaker 4: glad I wrote it all down because now I just

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00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 4: have Mommy Braden forget that. I believe it had been

440
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 4: thirty two hour or like thirty five hour. I think

441
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 4: it was forty hours total, So it was about thirty

442
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 4: five hours of me being induced and I only dilated

443
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 4: from A one to A five three and I was

444
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 4: already a one going in to the hospital, so I'd

445
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 4: only gone from a one to three in like thirty

446
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 4: five hours. So at that point was two nights to

447
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 4: the hospital were and then we're doing.

448
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 3: Did you have an abidual At this point, no.

449
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 4: I did. I was trying to do a natural birth.

450
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 2: Oh ye, paying free, pain free, Yeah yeah, but you

451
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: didn't do that with Indara.

452
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: You were like, very, I'm going to have the abidural.

453
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 4: Right I made. I was making in douce and I

454
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 4: made it to six centimeters and then I was like, hey,

455
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 4: can we talk about management?

456
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: So you're telling me for forty one hours, you're starting

457
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: to feel the contractions.

458
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 4: Thirty five hours.

459
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 3: Thirty five hours, but you had so thirty five hours

460
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 3: of feeling pain.

461
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 4: So here's the deal. We had done side A zill

462
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 4: So I didn't really feel any contractions with that for

463
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 4: the first like twenty four hours, and then at twenty

464
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 4: four hours, then we because we were taking like SIDEO

465
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 4: tech I think it was an oral like Prosta landin

466
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 4: to help your cervix like ripen and so nothing really

467
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 4: literally happened for like twenty four hours. But then they

468
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 4: gave me the balloon, and the balloon was giving me

469
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 4: contractions every five minutes. So I was doing that for

470
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 4: like six hours, like with no pain management, having like

471
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 4: real contractions are I'm like, oh my gosh, like this

472
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 4: is going to fall out. It's going to fall out.

473
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 4: So they go, I'm like, can we check me? Because

474
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 4: I've been doing this for like six hours, like pain

475
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 4: full contractions every six minutes. And I will say, like

476
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 4: my biggest goal going into this birth was I wanted

477
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 4: to experience like the rule the wave of contractions. I

478
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 4: just I wanted to do that. Because I only made

479
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 4: it to six with and Dara and I didn't really

480
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 4: have like hard contractions with her. It was just uncomfortable.

481
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 4: And then they just happened to have the guy come

482
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 4: and give me the epidol five minutes later, so I

483
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 4: was like, oh, okay, that's nice, let's do it. So

484
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 4: they go to like take out the balloon, and typically

485
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 4: you would you would dilate, it would fall out right

486
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 4: when you get to like four five simeters it just

487
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 4: falls out, So it hadn't fallen off. We're like, okay,

488
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 4: it's an hour. Why So she goes to pull it

489
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 4: and it got stuck in me and the top alone,

490
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 4: and so from that point I just started bleeding a lot,

491
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 4: and things just started to really go down, honestly from

492
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 4: that point because it got completely stuck and I was

493
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 4: almost screaming in pain and they couldn't get it out

494
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 4: and they had to call and Obi to come and

495
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 4: deflate it for it to come out. It was like

496
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 4: the most painful, like just imagine the ring of fire

497
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 4: and you're stuck there for like several minutes like women do.

498
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 4: So it was just really painful. And then long story short,

499
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 4: flash flash forward, They're like, let's give you the epidural,

500
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 4: let's pop your break your water and that should get

501
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 4: things going. So it did. So they did that two

502
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 4: hours later.

503
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: Because they're not going to pop your water without the

504
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: epidural exactly.

505
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, So at like three in the morning, I was like, okay,

506
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 4: let's let's do it. Get the epidural. An hour later

507
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 4: they break my water and then two hours later I

508
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 4: was ready to push. Okay, So then it really fast. Okay, agree,

509
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 4: So with that when they realized I was ten centimeters.

510
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 4: But then there was a shift change, so they're like, okay,

511
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 4: we have to five minutes until the shift change, so

512
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 4: we're going to have new nurses come in. So like

513
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 4: my nurses had left and then we're waiting for this

514
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 4: to happen, and I could feel rowing, just drop, drop,

515
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: drop drop. I was like, oh my god, he is

516
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 4: going to be born before they these nurses even get

517
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 4: in here. Like I can feel him, He's so low,

518
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, he just stopped. So

519
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 4: the nurses came in and then I'm pushing and we

520
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 4: all thought just a few pushes he was going to

521
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 4: be born.

522
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: Did they see his head there?

523
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 4: They didn't see his head, but I could just feel

524
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 4: him so low, right, like Okay. I don't even know

525
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: if they had checked me, because everyone knew I was

526
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 4: ready to push. I think he just came in and

527
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 4: we just started pushing. I ended up pushing for three

528
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 4: and a half hours, like just under three and a

529
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: half hours, and at that point, like it was exhausting,

530
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 4: and like we were recording it, so I have like

531
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 4: all this video footage of me, and like I was

532
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 4: going back and reviewing it. Well, I think what felt

533
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 4: hard was Look, I'm so appreciative of the nurses and

534
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: the midwife that was there. I do feel and like

535
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 4: my message to like any woman like getting induced is

536
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 4: like try not to get duced, but if you have

537
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 4: to get induced, like you just need to have someone

538
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: advocating for you. Because the first question Miobi said was

539
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 4: you shouldn't have pushed for so long.

540
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: Well, I was wondering where was your Where was the Obi?

541
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 4: The Obi wasn't there. The midwife was delivering with an

542
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 4: assistant nurse.

543
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: Okay, I also delivered with my midwife because I had

544
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: such a good relationship with her that she was the

545
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: one who like pulled her out, both of them out. Yeah,

546
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: you pulled both boys out, but I did have then

547
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: Obi in the room with both of them as well.

548
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, my so my Obi, my last two weeks my pregnancy,

549
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 4: she had a medical family emergency, so she was out

550
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 4: and so yeah, it did seem like all things that

551
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 4: could go wrong were starting to go wrong. So she

552
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 4: wasn't there, so it was just someone I didn't know,

553
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 4: and at the hospital, I delivered. Midwives deliver and then

554
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 4: if the Obi needs to come in, she'll come in, Okay.

555
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 4: So anyways, like kind of the quick version is, I

556
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 4: was on a gas mask. I was basically like feeling

557
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 4: extremely woozy, like on the verge of passing out, and

558
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 4: I was pushing every like three contractions.

559
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 3: But you're still being pain free because they have a girl, yes, yeah.

560
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 4: But I was just in this. I was extremely weak

561
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: and like you see footage of me wearing an oxygen mask,

562
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 4: like trying to push. I had no energy. And then

563
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 4: finally I was like and I kept asking the midwife.

564
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, can you check him, Like I

565
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: feel like he's not moving, and she's like she would

566
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 4: check me. She goes, oh, we moved just a teeny

567
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: tiny bit, like keep going, And I know she was

568
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 4: giving me words of encouragement, but I actually don't think

569
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 4: she was being honest with me because he wasn't moving.

570
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 4: Because when I finally was like three hours and twenty minutes,

571
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 4: I go, Okay, he's not coming. I know that. Can

572
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: you have the midwife come in to see if we

573
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: can vacuum him out? Because that's what the midwife suggested,

574
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 4: So she came in and checked me, and as she

575
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 4: checked me, she said that he was stuck in my pelvist.

576
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 4: So this whole time he'd been stuck.

577
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: But this is a different, different or same girl.

578
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: This is the ob So the midwife was delivering, so

579
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: she went to go get the o B came in

580
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 4: to check me to see if we could just vacuum

581
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 4: and pull him out. And like me, I'm a holistic person,

582
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 4: like I'm not for a vacuum okay, but that's the

583
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 4: point we were at there. I'm like, he's not coming.

584
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be like roll me into the r

585
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: After two hours, we needed intervention.

586
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 4: So she came in and checked me and she goes,

587
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 4: he's he's so low, but his positioning he's stuck. So

588
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 4: she goes, I'm gonna try to rotate him. So she

589
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: stuck her hand in and grabbed him and was trying

590
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 4: to rotate him, and at this point I kind of

591
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 4: blacked out. Yeah, I don't know if I screamed or what.

592
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 4: It was extremely Yeah, imagine a hand going up and

593
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 4: grabbing your baby and rotating them. And when she pulled

594
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 4: her hand out, it was blood, right, blood gushed out, blood,

595
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 4: all this blood and clots and so at that point

596
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: it was code pink. And all these medical staff came

597
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 4: in and were wheeling me into the R while trying

598
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 4: to have me sign paperwork.

599
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: What's Miles doing?

600
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 4: I think, just setting there in shock, you know, like

601
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 4: I knew something was wrong, and I think so. We

602
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 4: don't know if her trying to rotate him had caused

603
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: my uterus to rupture or if it had ruptured before,

604
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 4: because my energy, like I was fading very fast and

605
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 4: had been for a while. So yeah, that being in

606
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 4: the o R was extremely traumatic. Definitely the most horrific

607
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 4: thing I've been through.

608
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: I'm just so sorry you had to go through this.

609
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: I remember reading the post and feeling weak, like actually

610
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: feeling like I have to just so and I see

611
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 2: it so visually the way that you explain it, and

612
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: it's such a nightmare, and I'm so so sorry that

613
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: you had to go through this and that you are

614
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: being just like such a toughee going and explaining this

615
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: to us right now.

616
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 4: You know, it's just it's uh, I like to I'm

617
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 4: happy to talk about him, to come on the podcast

618
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 4: to talk about it, because like going in, I was

619
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: so against the section, didn't want to see section. And

620
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 4: I heard a lot of stories of like emergency sea

621
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 4: sections and a lot of moms saying like, hey, like

622
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 4: now I love this scar because it saved my baby,

623
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 4: and I'm like I could never. I could never you know,

624
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: like my body having a huge scar, and now like

625
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 4: I went through this experience and I do feel so

626
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 4: tremendously grateful, and I've had to do a lot of

627
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: emotional work around because seeing the scar and just recovering

628
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 4: from a sea section, especially in an emergency, because they're pulling

629
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: all your organs out of your body like I And

630
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: to go back to that, I think like important thing

631
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: to talk about is like you're just really manhandled extremely hard,

632
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 4: and so the recovery is so much harder. But like

633
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 4: for Miles, well for me, like the stand the stand

634
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: standing like hardest part was like it felt like people

635
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 4: were like punching my upper stomach and they were, and

636
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 4: so I didn't know this was Miles. I thought it

637
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: was the anesthesiologist, but I was actually like convulsing off

638
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 4: of the table and shake and like just moving like

639
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 4: this because they were cutting and then pulling. People on

640
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 4: both sides were pulling you open. People were punching my

641
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 4: upper stomach. And then because he was so low, someone

642
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 4: had to go in through my vagina and push him

643
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: higher because they couldn't get him out, and so they

644
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: had to cut into my left rectice abdominus horizontally because

645
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: they could my abs were too tight to pull him through.

646
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 4: And then from there he was vacuum suctioned out of

647
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 4: me through the cut through the say section. And so

648
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: the big issue is of why this was an emergency

649
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: was because because of how long he was in my telvis,

650
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 4: because of the induction, because of all the medicine like

651
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 4: potocin that I was on, because of just his positioning

652
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: my uterus ruptured and causing an emergency situation where we

653
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 4: didn't know if he was going to make it because

654
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 4: of was he following blood, did he have oxygen? And

655
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: he had like things I hadn't shared is like his

656
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: placenta had prematurely detached from the uterus and that's where

657
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: they get you know, their nutrients in their oxygen, right,

658
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 4: so that had been pre detached and they had to yeah,

659
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: push him out and then they just took him and

660
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: wheeled them away and took him to another hospital.

661
00:32:59,320 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

662
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 4: So I didn't know like that minute, like waiting for

663
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: him to cry, like is he okay? Like how long?

664
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: At what point did the uterus rupture? Like how much blood?

665
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 4: And because of his positioning, it was keeping the blood

666
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: from coming out of me. So again we didn't know

667
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 4: how long he'd been in what kind of.

668
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: State and did he he did he make any sounds?

669
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 4: So after like forty five seconds he cried for the

670
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 4: first time. But I mean it was a full blown

671
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 4: emergency situation. And so once he was delivered and we

672
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 4: heard him cry, they wield him up to nick you

673
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 4: to put him into a state of therapeutic hypothermia to

674
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: assess to stop any potential brain damage that could have happened.

675
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 4: Because they did his first app ar test it was

676
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: a two out of ten.

677
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: What's the app dar does I remember? What's the testing?

678
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 4: I don't remember brain activity yeah, I think it's like receptivity,

679
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: like how I can't speak to it. But it's like

680
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 4: the first test they do out of it's out of ten,

681
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: and he was a two out of ten. And then

682
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 4: they ran his gas levels and he was borderline but

683
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 4: just over the border of the of his oxygen was

684
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 4: really really low, so they thought there could be brain damage,

685
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 4: so they put him on took him away to put

686
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 4: him on ice, basically into a yeah state of hypothermic hypothermia.

687
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: So were they doing this at the hospital that you

688
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: were at or did?

689
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: And then that's how they sent him in the ambulance.

690
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 4: So they wheeled him away to nick you and started

691
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 4: this treatments and I told Miles like go with, go

692
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: with and go with him. And then they put me

693
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 4: under to repair my uterus. So then I went completely under.

694
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 4: And when I was going under, this whole time, I

695
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 4: was just praying. I was just like, please God say

696
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 4: my uteru. It's like, please God say my uterus and

697
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 4: my baby of course, but like once he was out,

698
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: it was just like, please say this. And they didn't

699
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: know if they were going to be able to because

700
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: the sergeant told me my uterus how it had robbed.

701
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 4: She not just like a clean cut, like when they

702
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 4: do an incision, it's like just a clean cut. She

703
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 4: said it was roadkill. It had completely just exploded and

704
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 4: they weren't able to put it together and it wasn't

705
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 4: holding stitches, so they put me under. They called in

706
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: a specialist who, like a miracle, happened to be ten

707
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 4: minutes away, and she was able to come with the attendance.

708
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: Of anatomy stuff.

709
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: It truly was we're just going to call on the specialist,

710
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: so happens to be ten minutes away.

711
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 4: I mean, just like a miracle, and they were able

712
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: to save my uterus, which I'm so extremely grateful for,

713
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 4: and you know, that whole experience is so yeah. So

714
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 4: then when I when they woke me up, I mean

715
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: it was extremely traumatic, Like me and miles of seeing

716
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 4: each other, we just broke down sobbing, crying. I couldn't

717
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 4: move because of all the I had like three different incisions,

718
00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 4: like internally point three different points of incisions, and I

719
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 4: mean we just teld each other and started crying. And

720
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 4: then they were like they were like I was just

721
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 4: in a hallway, you know, like coming to be And

722
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 4: that was a really crazy experience of we're just sitting

723
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 4: there like waiting for news on like is our son

724
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 4: going to be okay? Like is there brain damage? Is

725
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 4: he going to make it? And then they told us

726
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 4: that they're going to transfer him to another hospital. So

727
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 4: they did wheel him down in an incubator and I

728
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 4: couldn't even sit up though, because I was just cut

729
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: in half. So I just got to stick at my

730
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 4: finger and have him like hold my finger through the incubator,

731
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: and like we took a picture and that was like

732
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 4: my first moment, like meeting my baby. And then they

733
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 4: took him to a hospital. So just the first forty

734
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 4: eight hours was I couldn't leave the hospital, you know,

735
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 4: because of the state I was in, and so we

736
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 4: were luckily able to view him through a life feed camera.

737
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 4: Oh my god, the hospital.

738
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: So sad and so special. It's like that is such

739
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: an emotional statement, I know.

740
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just like all the wires on his head

741
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: and the helmet and you're like, this is a little

742
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 4: baby and he's like in a diaper, like in an

743
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 4: ice matt like basically, like it was really hard because

744
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: it goes against everything the baby should experience, you know.

745
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. Well, now

746
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: let's let's fast forward to where you guys are today.

747
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: Everybody's good. It truly was an insane miracle.

748
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,959
Speaker 4: Yeah.

749
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: The fact that your body had to be manipular like

750
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: that to get him out, and like everyone is just

751
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: in recovery mode.

752
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: Now, hmm, is really something I.

753
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 4: Think like going through that, you know, like as soon

754
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 4: as I was home, uh, and then as soon as

755
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 4: like we just spent the nine hours a day at

756
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 4: nick you yeaing up going and spending the day in

757
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: a queue, and like balancing that with another kid who

758
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: really needs you, yeah, and doesn't understand what's going on,

759
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: that was super tricky. But like once we got Rowan home,

760
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 4: it was like I don't want to go anywhere. You

761
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: just want to be home with my baby. And he

762
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 4: skinned to skin and so you know, I felt like, hey,

763
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: at some point, I just need to take this experience

764
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 4: and put it in a box on a shelf because

765
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 4: I'm so grateful that we're both here and safe and

766
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 4: can finally like have our time together. So I felt

767
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: that I did have to kind of put this away

768
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 4: until I was just in a place where I was

769
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 4: ready to process everything. Yes, my evers I'm talking about it.

770
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: Is still in the box because I know that I

771
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: do not want to speak for Jade, but she also

772
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: had a dramatic birth, so did Raven. Not to freak

773
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: everyone out here that we've had to a handful of

774
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: bachelor dramatic births, but I know that with Jade it

775
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: kind of crept up later in the year. Yeah, and

776
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: took a toll on her mental health.

777
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think women a lot of women have DM

778
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 4: me saying it took years for them to really address it.

779
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: I will say like, yeah, this is my first time

780
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 4: talking about it. So it did like bring up definitely

781
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 4: some emotions, Like ahead of this interview, whe I'm like,

782
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, we're going to talk about I hadn't

783
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: actually talked The only time I've really talked about it

784
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: was when I wrote the post and then I just

785
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 4: and then I just directed people to it. I was like,

786
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 4: this is it, Like, this is the whole story, like

787
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 4: and it was very therapeutic to write it. So this

788
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: will be something I'm going to hash out in therapy.

789
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: But you know, it also is important for women to

790
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 4: talk about it because some like sometimes we just don't

791
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 4: know what our experience is going to be and hearing

792
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 4: stories and kind of preparing ourselves and knowing like, hey,

793
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 4: when you get to three hours of pushing, like that's

794
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 4: too long, Like yeah, you it's too long. Two hours

795
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 4: is too long. So I just wish I would have

796
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 4: known a little bit more about that, like so that

797
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 4: I could have advocated for myself more. But I was

798
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: so against getting a C section. I was willing to

799
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 4: keep pushing. And now like my perse my wisdom is

800
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 4: now different, right.

801
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 2: Yes, I wanted to add something in there about that.

802
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: My sister because of her baby, was breach and I

803
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: mean he was just sitting really tight and comfy in

804
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: the opposite direction, and yeah, they were like you're gonna

805
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 2: have uh, you're definitely gonna need a sea section.

806
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: So she got one.

807
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: And because it's not an emergency sea section, and she

808
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: did go like along with the advice, she had the

809
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: greatest experience. And this is not like and I say, like,

810
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: because she went, you were never really you know what

811
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: I mean.

812
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: It's completely different. An emergency CEA section versus scheduled city

813
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 4: section are completely different.

814
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: That's what I'm doing, That's what I want to like

815
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: convey here, is that like, if you're out there pregnant

816
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 2: and you're being told that you have to have the

817
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: sea section, it's like, if it is scheduled, it can

818
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: be so smooth and such a delightful experience. She was

819
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: walking around a day later she recovered in an honestly

820
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: of a weird way because she was like decorating his

821
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: room when he was a couple of weeks earlier, Just

822
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: like decorating his room when she got back and walking

823
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: around and like living a normal life, and it was

824
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: like bizarre to see a major abdominal surgery that to

825
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: heal from it so amazingly. But like, just if you

826
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: get news that you might need a see section, it

827
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: is not an awful thing. If it's scheduled, it can

828
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: be a wonderful thing.

829
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 4: And like, honestly, I'm like, if I would have known

830
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: the birth was gonna go this way, which section got, Yeah,

831
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 4: Like you're totally I love that you made that point,

832
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 4: because I think we can feel like, oh, if I'm

833
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 4: not breastfeeding, I'm a failure. If I have to, I'm

834
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 4: a failure, and I'm not, and it can be a

835
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: really beautiful, great experience. And so I will just say

836
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 4: on that I had an emergency c section. It was

837
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: completely different, and I made it. I've survived, and I'm

838
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 4: feeling great. Yes, And you know, we women are tough.

839
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 4: We're meant to do hard things.

840
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: So tough.

841
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: How is big sister and Dara adjusting? Speaking of little women.

842
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 4: She's doing great. You know right now she's reading or

843
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: like learning to read, and she's writing her letters. So

844
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 4: I think that has just given her so much confidence

845
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 4: and helps her feel like I'm not a baby. I'm

846
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 4: not trying to compare myself to a baby and fight

847
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 4: for a baby. I'm getting attention in other ways. Yeah,

848
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 4: so she's great, But you know, I think initially there

849
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 4: was just it was really hard on everyone. So that

850
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 4: was tough having like an older child to attend to

851
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 4: and care for. But it's just the important stuff I

852
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 4: thank God for, like my in laws who just support.

853
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: Going to ask go with you much.

854
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, my mother in law came in where I'm like,

855
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 4: you're gonna stay, Like we're gonna be in the hotel,

856
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 4: like one night, it's gonna be quick, easy delivery six.

857
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: Days later, oh my goodness.

858
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, like have your support people leading to your

859
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: support people, and yeah, it takes a village, like, we're

860
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 4: not meant to do this on our own.

861
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: No, not at all.

862
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So that is kind of all I have.

863
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 2: As far as you talking about your pregnancy and delivery,

864
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: I'm really really grateful that you felt comfortable enough with

865
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: me to do this here, and I just want you

866
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 2: to enjoy that baby and to relax. Is there anything

867
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: else you want to talk.

868
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 3: About before we let you go?

869
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Motherhood's amazing and as difficult as our experiences in

870
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 4: it can be, it's so worth it to all the

871
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: women afraid of pregnancy and afraid of being moms that

872
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 4: they'll lose themselves in and lose their bodies. Like who

873
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Speaker 4: you find, who you become on the other side of

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Speaker 4: it is so amazing, And I mean, it really is

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Speaker 4: the tough stuff that define us and make us really

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Speaker 4: appreciate like who would become? Miles told me this quote

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Speaker 4: that he had heard. I can't quote who said it,

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Speaker 4: but like, when before God made David king, who did

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Speaker 4: he what did he give him as a challenge Goliath?

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00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 4: Before he could become king? He had to fight Goliath?

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Speaker 4: And like, so it's these difficult things really shape us,

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Speaker 4: and I as hard as it was. I wouldn't trade

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Speaker 4: it for anything and love who I've become. It's made

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Speaker 4: me appreciate my family, lean into my husband, like there's

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Speaker 4: just so much beauty on the other side of hard things.

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Speaker 4: So I just really want to encourage women to, you know,

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Speaker 4: not be afraid of that.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for saying that. And also I do I

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00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: do remember now that we talked about addressing the experience

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00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: of your family and whether that's something that you still

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00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 2: want on the table now that they advise that you wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Be able to carry the baby.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they did tell me that because of my surgery.

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00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 4: So when we're in the hallway, the surgeon came out

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00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 4: and told me that my uterus was roadkill. We become roadkill,

897
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Speaker 4: and due to the severity of it, that she strongly

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Speaker 4: advises that I not get pregnant again because they don't

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Speaker 4: know if my uterus would be able to maintain the

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00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 4: integrity of the stitches, and because it was the length

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00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 4: of my entire uterus that it split. So that was

902
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 4: really hard hearing that we won't be able to get

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Speaker 4: pregnant again, because the plan was to get pregnant within

904
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Speaker 4: a year of giving birth to row in. So I

905
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Speaker 4: have recently kind of given away the baby girl clothes

906
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Speaker 4: I've been holding on for this other little girl. I've

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00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 4: been hoping, would you know, yeah, come into our life,

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00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 4: but also feeling I just don't know what God's plan

909
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Speaker 4: is going to be for us, like if there will

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Speaker 4: be a third yes, No, I don't know, and he

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00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 4: has the beauty in life. It's like, we don't know,

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Speaker 4: and you know, so I'm just really surrendering to what

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Speaker 4: that chapter is going to look like for us. And

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Speaker 4: so I've been releasing all the baby stuff and just

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00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 4: know like I don't want to hold onto that energy.

916
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Speaker 4: I just want to keep it open, fluid and moving.

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00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 4: So we'll see, all right, we will all right.

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Speaker 2: Well, it just I feel like I need to like

919
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Speaker 2: hug you or this is a very weird thing to

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00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: do to just leave this interview by being like, so

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Speaker 2: I'm going to press the end button on zoom.

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Speaker 4: You know, send me some pictures when you're at.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, gracious, anything that you have about his

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00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 2: personality that you can already see. It's hard in three

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Speaker 2: months in but in three months is when you start

926
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: to see like maybe a little smile, anything, that you

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00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: like want to share that is a delight about him

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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean he's smiling and he's

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00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 4: beginning to just kind of talk and like who back

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Speaker 4: with us? And you know, we've done so much testing

932
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Speaker 4: on him, we had to take him to so many

933
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Speaker 4: neurology appointments, and he's perfect.

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Speaker 3: They say, I mean that's just awesome, just so so odd.

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Speaker 4: Yes it is. I'm just I'm just so grateful, you know,

936
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 4: like being a boy mom is and a girl mom

937
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 4: is just it's everything I could have ever asked for.

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Speaker 3: Wait till he gives you the boy kisses.

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Speaker 2: Because my sister was so funny because she was she

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00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: loves to watch Dawson when he does his bedtime routine,

941
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Speaker 2: like via the camera, and she's like watching him like

942
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: just some mother me with affection. And she's like, what's

943
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: that age that Freud said that boys are like in

944
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Speaker 2: love with their mothers. And she's like, I think he's

945
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: there right now, and then I look it up and

946
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: it's like three to five, so he's back in the

947
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: middle of that and like he just ones he like

948
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: pet my face and like stroke my hair and just

949
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Speaker 2: like grab me and like be like like the biggest

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Speaker 2: most like dramatic kisses.

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Speaker 4: They're hilarious, so sweet, I hear. Boys they just will

952
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 4: always love their moms. Yeah, I always love them. Wonderful.

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Speaker 2: It's a wonderful thing and I'm glad that you get

954
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: to experience that. And then everybody is just doing so well.

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Speaker 2: So I love to you, guys, Say hi to miles

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Speaker 2: from me and I will hopefully talk to you sooner

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Speaker 2: than this past gap in speak.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and send me those pictures.

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00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: Obviously, like there's been messages here and there, but like

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Alrighty love that.

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Speaker 4: All right, great to see girl.

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Speaker 3: Bye, see you all right, guys. Until next time. I've

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Speaker 3: been Ashley.

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