WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: William Vick Part 4

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<v Speaker 1>A school of humans.

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<v Speaker 2>On September nineteenth, twenty twenty three, just over nine months

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<v Speaker 2>after William Vick was found dead on his bedroom floor

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<v Speaker 2>in Clarksville, Arkansas, his house caught on fire. The house

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<v Speaker 2>at nineteen fifty four County Road thirty two fifty nine

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<v Speaker 2>was where William, his wife Laurinda, and Lorenda's mother, seventy

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<v Speaker 2>two year old Martha MacLean, had all lived together. Martha

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<v Speaker 2>lived in a detached house behind the property, but in

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<v Speaker 2>a shocking twist of events, Martha had apparently tried to

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<v Speaker 2>take her own life, and she left behind a note

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<v Speaker 2>saying she didn't want to hurt anymore. She also left

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<v Speaker 2>a second note confessing to William's murder. Martha wrote in

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<v Speaker 2>her letter that she had tampered with William's prescription medication,

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<v Speaker 2>and later she said she injected him with sex of methonium,

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<v Speaker 2>a paralytic drug. Martha was close to death, but after

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<v Speaker 2>police found her struggling to breathe with drugs including razapam

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<v Speaker 2>and morphine all around her, they administered narcan on the

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<v Speaker 2>way to the hospital, and Martha survived. She was in

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital for around two weeks. After that, the prosecutor

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Phillips told William's family that he was issuing a

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<v Speaker 2>warrant for Martha's arrest, but before that could happen, Martha

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<v Speaker 2>MacLean was sent home from the hospital into Lorenda's care,

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<v Speaker 2>and then just a few hours later, Martha MacLean died.

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<v Speaker 2>After Martha's death, William's family believed that the investigation was stalling.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they got some more shocking news, this time about

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<v Speaker 2>William's eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars life insurance policy.

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<v Speaker 2>William had told his children will and Ashley that each

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<v Speaker 2>of them would be getting twenty five percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>life insurance and that Lorenda would get the other fifty percent,

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<v Speaker 2>but they found out after William's death that Lrenda was

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<v Speaker 2>now the only beneficiary of that policy, meaning Lorenda would

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<v Speaker 2>be receiving one hundred percent of the money. So it

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to some members of William Fick's family that this

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<v Speaker 2>investigation was on ice. The life insurance money was gone,

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<v Speaker 2>and William's house burned to the ground under very suspicious circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past five years of making

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<v Speaker 2>is Helen Gone Murder Line. We've talked to William's brother

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<v Speaker 2>Ted and Ted's wife Michelle repeatedly about their suspicions following

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<v Speaker 2>William's death. They had a lot of questions about Lorenda,

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<v Speaker 2>especially after learning that Lorenda's mother, Martha, was about to

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<v Speaker 2>be charged with William's murder. We've also heard from William's

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<v Speaker 2>son Will will lived with William and Larenda, and in

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<v Speaker 2>fact had left their home and moved out just a

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<v Speaker 2>week or so before his father was found dead. Will

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<v Speaker 2>said that Martha had never liked William, so that was established,

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<v Speaker 2>but everyone wondered what would be Martha's motive for wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to kill William at that time, that was something that

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<v Speaker 2>the family just couldn't figure out. As we said earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>Martha was close to death, but she lived, and after

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<v Speaker 2>surviving that apparent suicide attempt, Martha was sent home to

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<v Speaker 2>Lorenda's care. Just a few hours later, Martha was dead.

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<v Speaker 2>William's family was reeling from his death, and then after

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<v Speaker 2>that Martha's confession letter in her death that happened so

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<v Speaker 2>soon afterwards, They said Lorenda was behaving in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that made them suspicious. So over the next several months,

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<v Speaker 2>Ted and his wife Michelle, and some other members Oflliam's

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<v Speaker 2>family decided to do some of their own detective work.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked in the last episode about the ongoing litigation

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<v Speaker 2>between Farmer's Insurance company, who issued the life insurance for

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<v Speaker 2>William Vick, and the estate of William Vick. But William's

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<v Speaker 2>family got another surprise after his death. They learned that

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<v Speaker 2>William's father, who had co owned the property the house

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<v Speaker 2>was on with William and Larenda, had apparently been removed

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<v Speaker 2>from the title to the land. This was a change

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<v Speaker 2>that Ted claims his father was unaware of. Ted told

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<v Speaker 2>us that he was estranged from William for around four

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<v Speaker 2>years before his brother's death. Remember. He said that this

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<v Speaker 2>was because William allegedly gained access to their parents' accounts.

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<v Speaker 2>Ted said that he found evidence that both William and

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<v Speaker 2>Larenda had spent money from the accounts. Ted and William's

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<v Speaker 2>mother died in December of twenty eighteen. Ted said that

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<v Speaker 2>his mother's funeral was one of the last times that

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<v Speaker 2>he saw his brother face to face their mother died.

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<v Speaker 2>Ted said that his father moved to Missouri to live

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<v Speaker 2>with him and his wife, Michelle. Ted and William's father

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<v Speaker 2>co owned the property that William and Laurinda lived on,

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<v Speaker 2>and his name was on the title. But Ted said

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<v Speaker 2>that after his father moved in with him, somehow his

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<v Speaker 2>father was taken off the title to that property. Ted

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<v Speaker 2>says that this happened without his father's knowledge, and after

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<v Speaker 2>a period of time, Ted said that his father started

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<v Speaker 2>getting phone calls, calls that Ted said were about the

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<v Speaker 2>title to the house that Ted's father co owned with

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<v Speaker 2>William and Laurinda back in Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>And then my mom passed December the thirteenth of eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>so then I heard a little funeral that we had

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<v Speaker 1>or not really a funeral, but going down to the

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<v Speaker 1>the just going down to the going down to the

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<v Speaker 1>funeral home and making the arrangement. That was probably one

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<v Speaker 1>of the last times that we had spoke. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>about a year and a half later, my dad started

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<v Speaker 1>getting phone calls. I moved my fall up here in Missouri.

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<v Speaker 1>We built him a little house beside us after my

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<v Speaker 1>mom passed, and we had him moved up here by

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<v Speaker 1>around Mark Yeah about May, yeah, April May timeframe of nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>so shortly after that, I think it was twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>About a year after that, Willy starts calling my dad saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we need you to sign over a quick claim beat

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<v Speaker 1>and so, you know, Dad lets me handle all his business.

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<v Speaker 1>And but I absolutely talked to my dad about all

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<v Speaker 1>his business. I mean, he he's the yes or no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's the final say so. So Dad brought

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<v Speaker 1>it to my attention. She's like, hey, I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 1>but Willy wants to bring you know, wants me to

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<v Speaker 1>sign a quick claim beat over to the property because

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<v Speaker 1>my mom and dad was half owner of their property.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they technically owed him about seventy grand.

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<v Speaker 2>And Ted said that William asked their father to sign

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<v Speaker 2>over his share of the property. Ted told William that

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<v Speaker 2>their father would not agree to that. That seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>be the end of it.

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<v Speaker 1>At least temporarily, And then a couple of times I

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<v Speaker 1>received a call from one of those title companies and

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<v Speaker 1>they were trying to get me to convince my father,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I can't convince my father. My father said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not signing over you know, Adeed, He's not signing

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<v Speaker 1>a deed. And that was a company out of Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, then we just stopped

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about it, probably a month and a half. Two

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<v Speaker 1>months later, didn't hear petpe out of it anymore. So.

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<v Speaker 2>Ted claims that somehow their father's name was removed from

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<v Speaker 2>the title to that property, which meant that the title

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<v Speaker 2>was in William and Larenda's names only. And this wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be the last financial discrepancy that Ted said he and

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<v Speaker 2>his family experienced in the wake of William's death. Now

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people may wonder why I'm going so

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<v Speaker 2>much into the weeds of what happened with things like

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<v Speaker 2>title changes. In addition to trying to help get justice

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<v Speaker 2>for people. My hope for this podcast is also to

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<v Speaker 2>help educate people. I want people to be aware that

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<v Speaker 2>this can happen to them, that people can and do

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<v Speaker 2>get names on things like property titles changed without the

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<v Speaker 2>other party's knowledge, and this case really is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a case study in how that can happen. In order

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<v Speaker 2>to have a valid signature, you have to rely on

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<v Speaker 2>the credibility of one person, the notary, and as we'll

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<v Speaker 2>soon see, that can be a serious problem. And then

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<v Speaker 2>even more shocking was when Ted and Michelle say they've

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<v Speaker 2>looked at the signature on that quick claim document. They

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<v Speaker 2>insisted that Ted and William's father had never signed that document,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were right because they talked to the notary.

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<v Speaker 2>The notary was a friend of Lorenda's and this person

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<v Speaker 2>told them that William's father was not present when she

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<v Speaker 2>notarized that quick claim document.

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<v Speaker 1>Shortly after my brother's murder, my niece's mother, just Linda,

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<v Speaker 1>not Lorenda, my brother's first wife, calls us and says, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>did you guys realize your dad? Your mom and dad

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<v Speaker 1>are off the property. And I'm like, what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how would she even know that? But anyway, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>she somehow figured out that William Lorenda was able to

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<v Speaker 1>get Mom and Dad off the property. The notary admitted it.

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<v Speaker 1>Lorenda seeked out this notary that was also a nurse

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<v Speaker 1>friend of hers, and she was also an oary, so

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<v Speaker 1>she allowed Lorenda to she signed and notarized all the

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<v Speaker 1>documents to have to quit claim deed. And then when

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<v Speaker 1>she was confronted by me over a phone call, the

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<v Speaker 1>notary she admitted it, and then we called the police

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<v Speaker 1>and the prosecutor, and at the time I was still

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<v Speaker 1>talking to the prosecutor, and so then they called her

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<v Speaker 1>in and she gave a statement and admitted, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>my father was not present and she shouldn't have allowed

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<v Speaker 1>them to do that to the deed. Now, my brother

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<v Speaker 1>was never said to have been there. Lreinda did set

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<v Speaker 1>it up. And so whether my brother was there or not,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he was physically present, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>certain he knew about that far.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, almost a year after William's death, which had been

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<v Speaker 2>quickly followed by Martha's death, Ted said that he got

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<v Speaker 2>a call on Christmas Eve in twenty twenty three from

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<v Speaker 2>someone he didn't know, a guy who had bought fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>acres of land from Laurinda after William died, and this

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<v Speaker 2>man said that William's house had burned to the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>On Christmas Eve in twenty twenty three, Ted got a

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook message followed by a phone call from a stranger.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when he says things got even more surreal.

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<v Speaker 1>After my brother's murder. I get a Facebook message from

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<v Speaker 1>my brother's neighbor. They bought fifteen acres off Florinda after

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<v Speaker 1>my brother's murder. But I get a message for him saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>do you mind if we talk? We really want to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Lrenda's kind of sketchy right now. We want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you guys. I'm like sure a call,

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<v Speaker 1>and in that conversation was in about twenty minutes, he

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<v Speaker 1>tells us the house burned down. I'm like when, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, it was September the nineteenth, But it depends

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<v Speaker 1>on what fire report you look at, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was really close to midnight because I saw I

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<v Speaker 1>did see one fire report said September the twentieth, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I saw when it said September the nineteenth. But

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<v Speaker 1>according to him, it was September the nineteenth of twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Ted says that he absolutely believed that William knew about

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<v Speaker 2>his father not being present when the document taking him

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<v Speaker 2>off the title of the property was notarized, but he

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<v Speaker 2>believes that William did not know about the beneficiary change

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<v Speaker 2>in his life insurance policy. Ted says that he believes

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<v Speaker 2>that Lrenda forged William's signature on that document just.

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<v Speaker 1>To say, Lrenda also used that same notary to forge

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<v Speaker 1>my brother's name off or not off, but basically to

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<v Speaker 1>take my niece and nephew off of that life insurance policy.

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<v Speaker 1>The same notary did the same yep, and now Willy

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<v Speaker 1>was not present for that because his name was forged. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he had no clue that his kids were coming off

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<v Speaker 1>the life insurance policy. He had literally just messaged my

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<v Speaker 1>niece and nephew because they didn't have this policy for

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<v Speaker 1>very long. I mean just months, you know, months before

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<v Speaker 1>his murder. So anyway, she got with her little buddy

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<v Speaker 1>and got that set up and got their names off

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<v Speaker 1>the life insurance policy where she was one beneficiary.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen the act, David, that the notary swore to

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<v Speaker 2>the one admitting that William and Ted's father was not

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<v Speaker 2>present when that quick claim deed was signed, and I

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<v Speaker 2>also want to mention something else, Ted pointed out. The

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<v Speaker 2>notary who basically admitted to fraud because she admitted that

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<v Speaker 2>Ted and Williams's father was not present when the quick

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<v Speaker 2>claim deed was signed. Is the same notary who notarized

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<v Speaker 2>those life insurance beneficiary policy changes, the ones that now

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<v Speaker 2>meant Lrenda got one hundred percent of the life insurance money.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was more alleged insurance fraud to come because

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<v Speaker 2>on September twentieth, a day after the house fire, Lorenda

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<v Speaker 2>filed a claim on her homeowner's insurance policy was State Farm.

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<v Speaker 2>A fire investigator who was a State Farm representative came

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<v Speaker 2>out to examine the home and in their report it

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<v Speaker 2>was stated the property quote suffered complete collapse and prolonged

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<v Speaker 2>burning of all structural components and contents end quote. Lorenda

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<v Speaker 2>said she was out of state at the time of

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<v Speaker 2>the house fire, but she gave State Farm, the insurance company,

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<v Speaker 2>a list of property that she claimed was lost in

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<v Speaker 2>the fire. She said that the property had an estimated

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<v Speaker 2>value of eighty two thousand, eight hundred and six dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, this is all according to the affidavit.

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<v Speaker 2>State Farm reviewed the list. They lowered the estimate a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. They calculated the loss based on Lorenda's list

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<v Speaker 2>at sixty one thousand, four hundred and nine dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>seven cents. So they paid Lorenda out. They gave her

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<v Speaker 2>two payments of five thousand dollars each, and then another

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<v Speaker 2>payment of fifteen thousand dollars. They gave her more additional checks,

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<v Speaker 2>one for almost nine thousand dollars. That one was meant

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<v Speaker 2>to replace the value of an antique govern one of

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<v Speaker 2>the items on her list, and then another final check

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<v Speaker 2>for another twenty seven thousand dollars. Meanwhile, Ted was getting

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<v Speaker 2>frustrated by what he saw as a lack of progress

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<v Speaker 2>in his brother's death investigation. So after having conversations with

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<v Speaker 2>the process Cocuter, Ted said he believed that the prosecutor

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be uninterested in pursuing the fraud charges, so

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<v Speaker 2>he made a call himself to the Arkansas Insurance Department's

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<v Speaker 2>Criminal Investigation Division. Sue Johnston picked up the phone. She

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<v Speaker 2>was an insurance investigator, and she started looking into the case.

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<v Speaker 2>As y'all know, we talk a lot about cold cases

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<v Speaker 2>every single day. I talk to families that are frustrated

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<v Speaker 2>about lack of progress in these investigations. And one avenue

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<v Speaker 2>that families ask about a lot is civil court. They

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<v Speaker 2>want to know, can you file a lawsuit against the

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<v Speaker 2>person you suspect may be involved in a murder? And

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<v Speaker 2>the answer is yes, sometimes you can. Sometimes justice starts

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<v Speaker 2>with following the money. She actually went around and interviewed

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<v Speaker 2>Lorenda's neighbors, and the neighbor said Lorenda did not have

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<v Speaker 2>the items she put on her list in the house

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<v Speaker 2>at the time of the fire. The neighbor said they

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<v Speaker 2>knew this because this person and several other people had

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<v Speaker 2>actually helped Larinda move all this stuff out. That's confirmed

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<v Speaker 2>by the affidavit that before the fire, Lorenda had several

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<v Speaker 2>people help her move a lot of stuff outside, including

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<v Speaker 2>some of the stuff that was in her itemized list

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<v Speaker 2>that she provided the insurance company. The people who helped

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<v Speaker 2>Lorenda remove those items from the house are part of

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<v Speaker 2>public record. They were interviewed by the investigator, Sue Johnson.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the affidavit, the interior of the house was

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<v Speaker 2>basically empty when the fire happened. These people told the

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<v Speaker 2>investigator they had helped Lorenda move and that except for

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<v Speaker 2>a mattress on the floor and some toiletries, that house

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<v Speaker 2>was empty. So a claim specialist was asked to recalculate

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<v Speaker 2>the personal property loss based on the testimony of these people.

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<v Speaker 2>They figured out that Lorenda was overpaid by over thirty

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand dollars. In the affidavit, it stated quote between

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<v Speaker 2>October six, twenty twenty three, through November eleven to twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>Lorenda Vick committed theft of property when she was paid

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<v Speaker 2>by State Farm Insurance for items she included in her

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<v Speaker 2>claim that she alleged were destroyed in a fire that

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<v Speaker 2>were not actually present at the time of the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>A bench warrant for Lorenda's arrest was issued on December third.

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<v Speaker 2>On December third, twenty twenty four, a warrant was issued

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<v Speaker 2>for Lorenda's arrest on the charges of felony theft of

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<v Speaker 2>property related to the alleged taking of property out of

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<v Speaker 2>her house prior to the fire. Now, because these charges

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<v Speaker 2>involved theft of property valued at over twenty five thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a Class B felony in the state of Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 2>If convicted, Lorenda could face five to twenty years in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>And a fine of.

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<v Speaker 2>Up to fifteen thousand dollars. From what we've been able

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out, it seems that currently Lrenda is in Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where she lived before and apparently where she moved

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<v Speaker 2>back to after William died. The authorities have been notified

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<v Speaker 2>and there is a warrant out. Ted started the Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>page Justice for William Vick. He has been doing media

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<v Speaker 2>outreach since William's death and it's been working. Local newspapers

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<v Speaker 2>have picked up the story. On Thursday, December fifth, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four, the headline in the Courier newspaper read Johnston

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<v Speaker 2>County woman accused of theft of property. The main story

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<v Speaker 2>in the paper was about the alleged insurance fraud and

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<v Speaker 2>the over thirty two thousand dollars that Lareinda allegedly took

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<v Speaker 2>from State Farm. So what's happening with the case now?

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<v Speaker 2>According to Ted and Michelle, the prosecutor, Jeff Phillips said

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<v Speaker 2>that pressing charges against Martha would not stop him from

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<v Speaker 2>filing charges against Larenda or anyone else if he suspected

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<v Speaker 2>that they were involved in William's death. But since Martha died,

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<v Speaker 2>there doesn't appear to have been a lot of movement

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<v Speaker 2>on this case. So does the prosecutors still plan on

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<v Speaker 2>filing criminals charges against Larinda. We don't know for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and the prosecutor has not answered our request for comment.

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<v Speaker 2>As we said last week, the life insurance money from

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<v Speaker 2>William's farmer's insurance policy amounts to eight hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 2>four thousand dollars. Meanwhile, that money is sitting in an

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<v Speaker 2>account and is the property of the Arkansas court system

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<v Speaker 2>until this case is adjudicated. Basically, it's stuck now. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to point out again, and this is very important,

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<v Speaker 2>we are only hearing one side of the story. We

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<v Speaker 2>haven't heard Lorenda's. She's under no obligation to talk to anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>No charges have been pressed against her or anyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>No arrests have been made in connection with William's homicide.

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<v Speaker 2>We have contacted Lorenda. She told us she did not

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<v Speaker 2>want to comment, and she referred us to her attorney.

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<v Speaker 2>We contacted her attorney for comment and so far we

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<v Speaker 2>have not received a response. Ted did win another legal

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<v Speaker 2>victory when he won a judgment against Larnda for the

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<v Speaker 2>land that his father had co owned with William and Larnda.

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<v Speaker 2>On October twenty third, Ted posted an update on the

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<v Speaker 2>Justice for William Vick facebook page. He wrote that there

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<v Speaker 2>had been a property auction and that he and his

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<v Speaker 2>family had purchased the land to keep it in the family.

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote, quote, selling on the courthouse steps just doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>bring the most dollar, but that is absolutely okay with me.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing I can say is Larenda said I would

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<v Speaker 2>never own that land. Guess she was wrong. Not only

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<v Speaker 2>do we own the property. There is still a sixty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars judgment against her for stealing from my father,

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<v Speaker 2>but she has been wrong in a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>In March of twenty twenty four, the judge awarded Ted

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<v Speaker 2>and his family sixty thousand dollars for that land. He

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<v Speaker 2>says he doubts Laarnda will ever pay that judgment, but

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<v Speaker 2>he considers it a moral victory. The civil cases against

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<v Speaker 2>Larenda continued. Her next court date was set for later

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<v Speaker 2>in December, and a warrant has been issued for her arrest. Sadly,

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<v Speaker 2>the fraud case for just over thirty thousand dollars is

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<v Speaker 2>moving faster than the potential murder case. So far, no

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<v Speaker 2>one has been arrested or charged in connection with William

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<v Speaker 2>Vick's homicide. That story in the Courier about the civil

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<v Speaker 2>charges filed against Lorenda closes with the line quote at

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<v Speaker 2>press time, Lorenda Vick has not been taken into custody.

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<v Speaker 2>End quote. I'm Catherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone Murder Line.

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