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Speaker 2: On September nineteenth, twenty twenty three, just over nine months

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Speaker 2: after William Vick was found dead on his bedroom floor

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Speaker 2: in Clarksville, Arkansas, his house caught on fire. The house

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Speaker 2: was where William, his wife Laurinda, and Lorenda's mother, seventy

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Speaker 2: a shocking twist of events, Martha had apparently tried to

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Speaker 2: saying she didn't want to hurt anymore. She also left

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Speaker 2: her letter that she had tampered with William's prescription medication,

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Speaker 2: the hospital for around two weeks. After that, the prosecutor

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Speaker 2: After Martha's death, William's family believed that the investigation was stalling.

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Speaker 2: Then they got some more shocking news, this time about

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Speaker 2: William had told his children will and Ashley that each

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Speaker 2: seemed to some members of William Fick's family that this

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Speaker 2: investigation was on ice. The life insurance money was gone,

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Speaker 2: and William's house burned to the ground under very suspicious circumstances.

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Speaker 2: is Helen Gone Murder Line. We've talked to William's brother

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Speaker 2: Ted and Ted's wife Michelle repeatedly about their suspicions following

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Speaker 2: especially after learning that Lorenda's mother, Martha, was about to

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Speaker 2: be charged with William's murder. We've also heard from William's

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Speaker 2: son Will will lived with William and Larenda, and in

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Speaker 2: week or so before his father was found dead. Will

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Speaker 2: said that Martha had never liked William, so that was established,

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Speaker 2: but everyone wondered what would be Martha's motive for wanting

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Speaker 2: the family just couldn't figure out. As we said earlier,

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Speaker 2: William's family was reeling from his death, and then after

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Speaker 2: We talked in the last episode about the ongoing litigation

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Speaker 1: And then my mom passed December the thirteenth of eighteen,

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Speaker 2: a case study in how that can happen. In order

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Speaker 2: and they were right because they talked to the notary.

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Speaker 1: Shortly after my brother's murder, my niece's mother, just Linda,

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Speaker 2: Then, almost a year after William's death, which had been

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Speaker 1: After my brother's murder. I get a Facebook message from

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Speaker 1: my brother's neighbor. They bought fifteen acres off Florinda after

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Speaker 1: and in that conversation was in about twenty minutes, he

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Speaker 1: tells us the house burned down. I'm like when, and

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Speaker 1: he's like, it was September the nineteenth, But it depends

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Speaker 1: then I saw when it said September the nineteenth. But

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Speaker 2: Ted says that he absolutely believed that William knew about

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Speaker 2: that Lrenda forged William's signature on that document just.

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Speaker 1: To say, Lrenda also used that same notary to forge

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Speaker 1: my brother's name off or not off, but basically to

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Speaker 1: The same notary did the same yep, and now Willy

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Speaker 1: he had no clue that his kids were coming off

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Speaker 1: the life insurance policy. He had literally just messaged my

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Speaker 2: They figured out that Lorenda was overpaid by over thirty

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Speaker 2: Lorenda Vick committed theft of property when she was paid

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Speaker 2: A bench warrant for Lorenda's arrest was issued on December third.

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Speaker 2: According to Ted and Michelle, the prosecutor, Jeff Phillips said

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Speaker 2: One thing I can say is Larenda said I would

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Speaker 2: In March of twenty twenty four, the judge awarded Ted

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