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Speaker 1: Hello everybody.

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Speaker 2: How are you welcome to another episode of I Saw

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Speaker 2: What You Did. My name is Millie, I'm Danielle, and

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Speaker 2: we are here again with you today talking about film,

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Speaker 2: talking about other things. Danielle, what's up? We got we

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Speaker 2: gotta talk about something right off the bat.

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Speaker 3: I mean we hit a nerve.

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Speaker 4: I think we hit a nerve with the joggers versus

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Speaker 4: sweatpants conversation and been receiving a lot of feedback, a

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Speaker 4: lot of feedback from y'all. The one thing that I

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Speaker 4: can say categorically across the board is that everyone seems

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Speaker 4: to agree that joggers are a style of sweatpants. And

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Speaker 4: you were correct about them being tapered at the end

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Speaker 4: instead of like the string Yeah not even that's a first,

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Speaker 4: but instead of the drawstring at the bottom. So it's

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Speaker 4: a type of sweatpants. And we have heard from people.

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Speaker 4: Someone who wrote to us has a doctorate. We've heard

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Speaker 4: from some people who are in fashion school or have

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Speaker 4: been in fashion school. We heard from somebody who was

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Speaker 4: so moved by this topic that they went and hid

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Speaker 4: in their bathroom at work to send us an email

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Speaker 4: to tell us about joggers. And we've also received a

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Speaker 4: lot of information about other countries, So joggers are they

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Speaker 4: are British?

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Speaker 3: I was wrong about that.

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Speaker 2: And also might have had some kind of relationship to

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Speaker 2: Jillian Anderson.

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Speaker 3: I think that was something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's accurate, but I was like, huh,

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Speaker 2: people were doing some hard ass research. So like the

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Speaker 2: very way, we were getting emails within the twenty four

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Speaker 2: hour span of that episode dropping.

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Speaker 3: So I'm shocked.

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Speaker 2: Because I thought it was a bit innocuous to mention it,

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Speaker 2: because I just thought, oh, we're having some fun.

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Speaker 3: No, it's serious.

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Speaker 4: People are in these street eats, man, they are serious

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Speaker 4: about this and this is the thing though, this is

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Speaker 4: the thing. Apparently they're British. It's a British thing. It's fine,

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Speaker 4: Rosemary and Time did not prepare me for this. But

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Speaker 4: even better, we got an email from someone in Australia

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Speaker 4: who said that Australians have a tendency to shorten words

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Speaker 4: and to.

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Speaker 3: Kind of use a lot of slang.

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Speaker 4: And they I guess they called joggers track pants, but

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Speaker 4: they shortened it or call it trackie decks trackies.

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Speaker 2: I knew it was gonna be something like that, track

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Speaker 2: tracky tracky decks and.

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Speaker 3: I was like, whoah, You're not just.

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Speaker 4: Going to drop that in this Instagram inbox and just

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Speaker 4: walk away as if that's not the most exciting thing

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Speaker 4: I've ever heard.

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Speaker 1: Australians continue to be the best. They are the best.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I wish we could call them tracking as I

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Speaker 2: would definitely rock some tracky decks.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you to everyone who wrote in are we

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Speaker 4: the people.

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Speaker 3: Who should be interrogating fashion right now?

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Speaker 4: Like I'm just looking around my house and wondering and

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Speaker 4: look looking at myself, but I don't know what once

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Speaker 4: your most recent shopping experience?

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Speaker 3: I said that in the Joggers episode.

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Speaker 2: I was basically like, we should not I should not

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Speaker 2: definitely be talking about fashion, and I'll tell you why,

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Speaker 2: because my most recent shopping experience, unfortunately, was that I

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Speaker 2: walked into an H and M for the first time

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Speaker 2: in a very long time. I honestly felt like I

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Speaker 2: was like they probably thought I was a secret shopper

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Speaker 2: or like an undercover police officer because there's all these

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Speaker 2: girls in there who are probably, like, you know, nineteen

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Speaker 2: years old, and I look, I was wearing my ARII

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Speaker 2: year like I was basically like, yo, I'm made looking like,

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Speaker 2: you know, one of the grumpy old men, like like

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Speaker 2: definitely like like if I was not wearing a fishing past,

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Speaker 2: I would be very surprised. But it was that thing

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Speaker 2: where I stuck out like a comical grandpa in a

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Speaker 2: movie and beautiful. I was like, I remember loving this

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Speaker 2: place like I especially in my twenties. Stuff like that

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Speaker 2: was so like, oh my god, a shirt is like

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Speaker 2: fifteen dollars. This is amazing, And they were always like

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Speaker 2: trendy and cute, but it's I'm definitely aged out, Like

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Speaker 2: there's a there's a hard line, like it happened.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what's happening in an H and M

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Speaker 4: right now. I imagine it's just like dildo straps and like,

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what's going.

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Speaker 3: On in there.

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Speaker 1: Nineties.

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Speaker 2: It's all nineties stuff, like they sell Nirvana T shirts,

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Speaker 2: they sell Aliyah t shirts, they sell like basically, if

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Speaker 2: you want to dress like you were in that Bandjade

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Speaker 2: that did that song, don't walk away, that's your story.

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Speaker 4: It's like, is it like an upscale Spencer's cause that's like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like more like did you.

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Speaker 2: Have gad zooks when you were Oh oh, my oh,

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Speaker 2: do tell, Do tell?

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Speaker 3: Is a Kadzukes is.

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Speaker 2: God Zeke's a regional thing. So god Zukes was basically

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Speaker 2: this like hip clothing store that was in the mall

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Speaker 2: that was sort of like skater adjacent, So they had

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Speaker 2: like vans. I mean, it's kind of like a Journey's

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Speaker 2: but more clothes. You know what Journeys is. It's like

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Speaker 2: the shoes. Yeah, yeah, imagine Journeys, but like more clothing

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Speaker 2: and kind of like lifestyle stuff. So if you want to,

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Speaker 2: like essentially if you were like a red Hot Chili

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Speaker 2: Peppers fan, mixed with like Vision street wear and Massimo

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Speaker 2: and but then also kind of like skater girlfriend clothes,

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Speaker 2: so you know, kind of like flowered Halter bra things.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just like, what is the store?

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Speaker 1: That's what H and M kind of reminds me of

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Speaker 1: is goad Zekes.

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Speaker 4: Put together a gad Zukes outfit right now for yourself?

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Speaker 2: What were you buying in the nineties? Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: this is so I can't even definitely into some joke shirts,

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Speaker 2: let's get serious. That is shameful. But I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: I owned a couple joke shirts. I definitely had some

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Speaker 2: kind of this is your brain on drugs?

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that? Can't like, but it was like

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Speaker 3: a like a funny.

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Speaker 2: I had a poster that was famous Brains on Drugs

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Speaker 2: and it was basically like yes, and then it had

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Speaker 2: these like eggs that were cracked in a pan and

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Speaker 2: they were like jokes like Michael Gorbchov and shit like

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Speaker 2: that was like so lame. I actually bought that at

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Speaker 2: Spencer's Gifts. But then the same day I went into

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Speaker 2: a Kadzooks and I bought a Saturday Night Live themed

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Speaker 2: shirt that was Rob Schneider and it was making copies.

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Speaker 2: It was like that character. Do you remember the the dude?

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Speaker 4: Wait, we're starting at a Schneider making guppies guy T shirt.

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Speaker 3: This is where this outfit begins. So that was real.

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Speaker 2: That's that happened in real time and in a gad zooks,

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Speaker 2: And then it would have been something like that mixed

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Speaker 2: with like either ginormous corduroys, like ginormous corduroy pants usually

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Speaker 2: male or made for men, and then a platform shoe,

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Speaker 2: either platform, wingtip platform I loved a platform wingtip or

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Speaker 2: creeper anybody.

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Speaker 1: A scoff am?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the creepers.

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Speaker 4: So Now, if you're wearing the creeper but you're also

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Speaker 4: wearing the wide leg corduroy pants, you can't even see

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Speaker 2: The goal was to have the pant hit right above

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Speaker 2: the top of the shoe, and it would kind of

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Speaker 3: Of the shoe.

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Speaker 4: You're you're just hoveringly, doesn't walk, she just hovers.

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Speaker 2: It's like a a dusters or like something like a

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Speaker 2: curtain that falls gently touches the floor, like a drape

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Speaker 2: or something that's it was drapi and then.

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Speaker 3: The cardigan.

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Speaker 2: The cardigan pulled the book together, and the cardigan was

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Speaker 2: usually like an izod thrifted thrifted cardigan's never a new cardigan,

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Speaker 2: but everything else could be new. Definitely new shoes and

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Speaker 2: the new Rob Schneider shirt. So that's my like Kadzooks

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Speaker 2: outfit like that. That was if they sold that on

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Speaker 2: the rack, I would just buy the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: But I actually did buy the shirt at Kadzukes.

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Speaker 4: I love this outfit very much, and because it explains

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Speaker 4: Gadzooks to me top to bottom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I now know what this store is all about. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was definitely like California influence. But skater meets sort

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Speaker 2: of alternative meets like kind of what's happening in the.

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Speaker 3: World, like even what's happening in the TV show.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I wish. I wish I could dress like

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Speaker 1: d every day, honestly.

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Speaker 4: Like Rainbow Suspender. See that's so, that's what H and

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Speaker 4: M is now, Because I used to go to H

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Speaker 4: and M. I used to love going in after work

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Speaker 4: when I worked in New York City. I was working

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Speaker 4: for the United Nations, and I would just like, if

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Speaker 4: you walking for the train and you can just pop

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Speaker 4: into an H and M and get like a nice sweater,

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Speaker 4: like a big fluffy sweater, or just like a simple pair.

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Speaker 3: It's just shit.

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Speaker 4: I could wear to work and just still feel like

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Speaker 4: a normal human being. And now I don't feel like

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Speaker 4: that is their brand anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting because it is like they're trying

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Speaker 2: to cover a lot of ground in that store.

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Speaker 4: Okay, look Asian, I wasn't around when I was in

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Speaker 4: high school. I in high school dressed like Michael Caine

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Speaker 4: Caine and Children of Men, just like I live in

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Speaker 4: the woods alone. The world is on fire. I have

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Speaker 4: whatever layer I can reach next to me. I've been

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Speaker 4: wearing the same like I'm just living that life and

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Speaker 4: I've been doing that since I was a teenager, and

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep it going. There was I won I

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Speaker 4: want a senior superlative. I won Most Unique for my

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Speaker 4: for my class, right, and this the guy that was

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Speaker 4: in the the guy version of it. The guy most

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Speaker 4: Unique was like, oh, we should. We weren't like really friends,

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Speaker 4: I don't think like we just kind of talk sometimes, but.

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Speaker 3: He was like, we should do all this stuff. We

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm gonna just show up that day

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Speaker 4: with what I was wearing. And what I was wearing

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Speaker 4: was a black Nike baseball cap, a home tied eyed

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Speaker 4: ratty old white T shirt, and a gigantic pair of jeans.

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Speaker 4: And I look so salty in that picture because I'm

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Speaker 4: just like, I don't care about y'all.

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Speaker 2: You're like Francis McDormand going to the Oscars. You're just like, fucking,

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Speaker 2: I don't need this pomp and circumstance. I do what

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Speaker 2: the fuck I want. Thanks for the award, Fuck.

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Speaker 3: You, thanks for this. I will never talk to any

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Speaker 3: of you again. Goodbye.

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Speaker 2: Also, I'm fascinated by the fact that you got a

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Speaker 2: superlative like wow, out of your entire school, you were

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Speaker 2: the most unique. That's fucking amazing.

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Speaker 4: I have always just been I just always did my

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Speaker 4: own thing. I just did my own thing. I used

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Speaker 4: to I used to be because I wanted to be

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Speaker 4: a fashion student. I applied when I first went to

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Speaker 4: school or when I graduated high school. My plan was

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Speaker 4: to be a fashion designer, and I was obsessed with

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Speaker 4: Todd Oldham and just like all the shit. So I

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Speaker 4: used to make my own clothes, and I would usually

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Speaker 4: go to thrift stores buy stuff, deconstruct it, like sixteen

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Speaker 4: candle style. But I would just also sew stuff from patterns,

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Speaker 3: High school for sure.

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Speaker 4: They were weird there the neighborhood creams. It's a good feeling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would too. We got to put that on

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Speaker 4: We're gonna monetize our high school pain. But essentially, essentially,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and thanks again for writing in and sort of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, how did I know it went so deep?

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Speaker 4: We get great mail all the time, so this first

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Speaker 4: email just cracks me up. It's from Carling, and Carling says, ladies,

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Speaker 4: year has been a struggle. One thing that always gets

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Speaker 3: Carling. Carling.

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Speaker 4: First of all, you're a nurse and I wish I

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Speaker 4: Thank you for I mean, this year. I cannot even

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Speaker 4: And the fact that Van Morrison's Last walt set is

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Speaker 4: I love that you wrote in Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: We're here for you.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll do it in an episode just because we

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Speaker 2: love it. I love it when there's something that's very

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's a two part question. I'm just

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Speaker 2: it goes. Hello, my hilarious movie crew.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're hilarious. We're a crew.

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Speaker 1: We're hilarious and a crew. This has been eating away

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Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, my best friends and I were

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Speaker 2: talking about the nineteen ninety eight classic You Got Mail.

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Speaker 2: When I was younger, I was completely enamored with this movie,

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Speaker 1: Who ruined your family business?

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Speaker 5: Aha?

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Speaker 2: Without hesitation, my friends both said yes. This shocked me

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Speaker 2: My question to you is, am I the crazy one?

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Speaker 2: The second one, Stephanie writes, do the two of you

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Speaker 2: Thank you for making me laugh every week.

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Speaker 3: All the best, Stephanie, this is war. No, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 6: This.

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Speaker 4: I am one hundred percent with Stephanie that this movie

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 4: However, the minute you meet in real life and realize

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Speaker 4: If you guys, did that movie for me should end

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll be the first to say that I've actually

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing that I also think is part of

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Speaker 4: Got Mail. So we've been on we've seen how disastrous

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: it takes all the shine off of this movie for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean honestly, Like maybe that's a little bit

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be one of those things.

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Speaker 2: Where I'm just sort of scrolling through and be like,

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Speaker 3: That you know, it is beyond you'll have the flu.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a good movie to watch when you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's like a second vaccine side effect movie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, to check that out. Start making that list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, start making that list.

441
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Speaker 2: So the second part of that email, though, is very interesting,

442
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 2: and it's that simple question of like, what's a movie

443
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: that you loved as a child, but then now you

444
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: know you obviously think it's crazy. Listen, that's like one

445
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 2: hundred thousand movies for me. Like the other day, I

446
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: was watching Home alone and I don't really know why.

447
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: I think it was my nephew's like had it on

448
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: even though it's like not Christmas time anymore, And I

449
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, this shit is fucked up? Like,

450
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I was like those parents. I mean, obviously

451
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: the plot line is that the parents forget the kid, right,

452
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: But then I'm like, still, though, that's fucking crazy. Like

453
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 2: that airline, what kind of airline are they flying? Where

454
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: they don't like check the manifest where. I mean, just

455
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: because his ticket was in the fucking garbage can doesn't

456
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: mean that they don't got to print out of how

457
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: many tickets they sold, and nobody went down the aisle

458
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 2: and been like, oh, we have an empty seat.

459
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 3: I don't know who this could be.

460
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 4: I love that Home Alone for You is now become

461
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 4: a movie about airline neglect.

462
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: I was like, there's so many It just fell through

463
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: so many cracks like his ye, like his life fell

464
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 2: through the cracks. Even that, even in the hubbub of

465
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: like one hundred thousand people in your family trying to

466
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: travel in one place, which is madness, by the way,

467
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: I would have been like, y'all can meet me in France.

468
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: I don't want this entire family here.

469
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: Even in that hubbub, you don't think one of those

470
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: people would have been, like, you know, Kevin, the most

471
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: annoying member of our family in our eyes, where is

472
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: he at? Nobody thought about it, and they were halfway

473
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: to France before the mom even thought about it.

474
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Speaker 3: So here's the thing. Also, here's here's the thing. Also.

475
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 4: I feel like, when you get to France and you

476
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 4: realize you don't have your child with you, do you

477
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 4: not pick up the phone and call the cops instantly

478
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 4: in your hometown and you're like, my kid is home

479
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 4: by himself. Can you please hang out with him. I

480
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 4: don't know, do something, call a neighbor. You can't call

481
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 4: anyone when you arrive and just be like, hey, I

482
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 4: think my kid's at home.

483
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and honestly, like, I know that Kevin is supposed

484
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: to be like our little Ferris Bueller type that like

485
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: loves the idea, is thrilled by the idea of being

486
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 2: by himself. But at that age, I would have been

487
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: crying my brain. I would have pissed my pants cried.

488
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: I would have called like the church or somebody like

489
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: is somebody I'd been like, I.

490
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 4: Would have diwed mister Yuck. It's the only number by

491
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 4: the phone. I'm dialing you, mister Yuck. I'm home by myself.

492
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: I was like, I got left.

493
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: This is gonna have repercussions for the rest of my

494
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: damn life.

495
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 4: And yet my family's gonna do it to me at

496
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 4: least two more times.

497
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 3: Just keep forgetting. Our new tradition is that I just

498
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: get left.

499
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 4: And I definitely grew up to have normal romantic relationships

500
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 4: and don't treat people I crap and bounce at every opportunity.

501
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 3: Yes, oh my gosh, yeah, that is I mean for me.

502
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 4: Movies that I'm skeptical watching now that I used to

503
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: love when I was younger. That's genuinely half of the

504
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 4: episodes we've done, so just go back and take.

505
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Speaker 1: A listen exactly.

506
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Speaker 2: I even hesitated to mention Home Alone simply because I

507
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,239
Speaker 2: literally think this about every movie, like all of the

508
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: movies we've done on this podcast, plus all the movies

509
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: I loved in childhood. I mean, there's just like the

510
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: excel file is large, is all I'm saying.

511
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a long list.

512
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, Home Alone, that's pretty that's pretty great that

513
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 4: you're like, the Home Alone is about airline neglect and

514
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 4: that is where the shit start.

515
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: And that's probably not even an original thought.

516
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure that if you go on the internet,

517
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: there's like somebody has a medium account that has talked

518
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: about this, poked all the holes in the Home Alone.

519
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: But I do love the question. I love the thought. Expert.

520
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I haven't said those two words this episode yet,

521
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 2: but if you have a question for us, please email

522
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: us at I saw.

523
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: What you did pot it Gmail right, And we love them.

524
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: We love them, we read them, we will read them

525
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: a less tell us not to and also please include pronouns,

526
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: anything you want to say about yourself, your name and

527
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: alias pronunciations, yes, for sure, and you know any other

528
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: pertinent information. We would really appreciate it. All right, let's

529
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: get into this theme for this week. And when I

530
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: tell you that, Danielle and I have been talking about

531
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 2: this all week. We have been talking about this all week,

532
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: like every day in between the last episode, We've been

533
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: like texting each other and like getting on the slack

534
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: and be.

535
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 3: Like, I can't wait to talk about this theme.

536
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: So Danielle, if it would be so kind, tell the

537
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: listeners what our theme is for this week.

538
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: Our theme this week is Headbanger's Ball.

539
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: Yes, now, I want to know something right out the game.

540
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: What is your relationship with headbangers? Headbanging metal heads heshers

541
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 2: as we call them in my group of friends.

542
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: What is your relationship to this scene?

543
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: If you will.

544
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: This is something that always surprises people about me when

545
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 4: they first meet me or were first developing our friendships.

546
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 4: I one percent was a headbanger when I was a kid. Yeah,

547
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 4: this is the music of my youth. My first concert

548
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 4: was Metallica at the Orange County Fair. I went to

549
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 4: the Monsters of Rock tor and I absolutely I still

550
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 4: love heavy metal.

551
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. Oh my god, that's

552
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: so exciting.

553
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: There's also like different eras obviously to heavy metal. You

554
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: were more kind of like we were around the same

555
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: age and I'm sure we were probably this at the

556
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: same time, but you were into the whole like eighties yes,

557
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: kind of glam metal hard rock scene, right.

558
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, because when we were little, like when I was younger,

559
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 4: I remember seeing like the poison Look what the cat

560
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 4: dragged in post rope on my friend's brother's wall. Yeah,

561
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 4: and like that was kind of the accessible medal for youth.

562
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 4: That was the youth the youth market medal was like

563
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 4: a poison and that was our way in. And then

564
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 4: that branched out to Anthrax, Sepulture, like you got into

565
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 4: the deep stuff, Metallica, Mega Death, like all of that,

566
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 4: Iron Maiden.

567
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just got into it.

568
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, you started out with like hair bands, and

569
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 4: MTV really pushed that too, because they did have a

570
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 4: show called head Banger's Ball that Ricky Rackman hosted, and

571
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: I think that it was just kind of the norm,

572
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 4: Like there were a lot of a lot of that

573
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: style was in my hometown, Like that kind of angry

574
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: white male energy was coursing through Warwick.

575
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: I totally am with you, and we will probably use

576
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: the terms hair metal and glam metal kind of interchangeably

577
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: because it was called like a lot of things. Right

578
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: for me, this scene was definitely like a middle school thing.

579
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: I was like super into MTV when I was a preteen,

580
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: and I was also like very fascinated by watching adult things,

581
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: like stuff that was definitely not made for me. Which

582
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: it's funny because I at the time was at the time,

583
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: I was sort of like interested in in a lot

584
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: of stuff that was my age. I mean, don't get

585
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: me wrong, but I was also like Memphis belling at

586
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: the same time, right, I was like interested in like

587
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: older guys, and I just really wanted the information about

588
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: what being an adult would be like, right, So, I mean,

589
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: and maybe I'm about to reveal this like horrible thing

590
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: about my younger self, but I was completely fascinated with

591
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: these like hair metal guys. I mean, I to me,

592
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: it was I was fascinated by the entire thing just

593
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: being so like sexually charged and like rockus and like

594
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: you know, and it felt at the time too, it

595
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: felt very transgressive, Like I mean, it was kind of scary.

596
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: And I mean these are like bands that were basically

597
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: like you know, they had a very extreme look. They

598
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: were a lot of times wearing makeup, dressing and very

599
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: like provocative skimpy clothing.

600
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: And I know that a lot of like glam rock.

601
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: Traditions from like the seventies were kind of influencing bands

602
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: like Poison, like certainly the New York Dolls were very

603
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: influential to a lot of these bands.

604
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: But it was like to me, as a you.

605
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: Know, twelve thirteen year old, I was like, oh my god,

606
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: this is like so crazy.

607
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: Like when I would see the Cherry.

608
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: Pie video by Warrant, I'd be like, oh my god,

609
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: Like that is a grown woman and this is what

610
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: like grown ups do.

611
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: They just are always making like.

612
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: Sexual innu windows and they're like, you know, And the

613
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: scariest band I mean besides Metallica, because Metallica was terrifying

614
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: and for other reasons because I watched the video for one,

615
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that, but it's that thing.

616
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: Where like the other scariest band was Guns and Roses,

617
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: and I loved it. Though I loved Guns and Roses

618
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: so much, but I was like Guns and roses are unpredictable.

619
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: They're like totally wild.

620
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: They're giving you patients one day and then they're giving

621
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: you Welcome to the Jungle.

622
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then they would just do stuff like all

623
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: these antics, like all these like crazy antics of like

624
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: trashing hotel rooms and like you know sort of being

625
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: like they were always like performing for the camera and

626
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: saying like a bunch of grumpy shit and you know,

627
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: like to me, it was like bad behavior and they

628
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: were fucking they hated the establishment. They were like truly

629
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: like I think the what is the Tipper Gore thing,

630
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: the pr mc oh. Yeah, they were trying to like

631
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: rein in the music, and there was all that satanic

632
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: panic in the eighties two that I had a lot

633
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: to do with it, But it was like they hated

634
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: that stuff and they hated they were always getting hassled

635
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: by the cops since there was all this like story

636
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: right that I just thought it was a myth, the mythos, Yes,

637
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: and it was so fascinating to me.

638
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 4: I one percent am with you, And I think for

639
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 4: me it wasn't about the sexualizing of stuff.

640
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: I was into the terror.

641
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 4: I was into the fear of it, and I think

642
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: it spoke to an anger that I had as a

643
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: child that I had no outlet for about, you know,

644
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: like my family life and what happened to me and

645
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: all that stuff, and.

646
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: I just had no outlet for it.

647
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: But I kind of liked that you could be an

648
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: adult and not be part of the norm. Like that

649
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: was impressive to me to see that, like these adults

650
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 4: live by their own rules and do their own thing

651
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: and kind of have their own ethos and their own

652
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 4: way to be. And I thought that was so cool

653
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: to me that it was like, you know, you could

654
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: go out and make music and be who you were

655
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 4: and scare the fuck out of people if you wanted to,

656
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 4: and it was fine.

657
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

658
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: And then there was like, of course, the people that

659
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: I saw in the neighborhood and people i'd see at

660
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: the mall that were like metal heads, and I was

661
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: just like fascinated by them, Like there was a group

662
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: of them in my neighborhood, and it was like, you know,

663
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: they seemed to share some characteristics, Like the guys in

664
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: my neighborhood were in the heavy metal. They wore black

665
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: pretty much exclusively black concertations, with black jans.

666
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: And black boots.

667
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: They were sort of they were all dabbling in science fiction,

668
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: so a lot of dungeons and dragons, a lot of fantasy,

669
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 2: a lot of science fiction books. So they just kind

670
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: of became this like type of person to me that

671
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: I thought was super fascinating, you know, I thought for

672
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,239
Speaker 2: the most part, I was like, they're scary, but they

673
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: also seem smart, so that's you know, I don't know,

674
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: I don't like, I want to hang out with them

675
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: if they let me, but I don't.

676
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 4: You know, well, I like that anti social aspect of it,

677
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: and I think that it was you know, I did

678
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 4: like it, and I because I felt and I'm like, oh,

679
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: here's a music that's mirroring that, but also you know,

680
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 4: a style that mirrors it.

681
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: And it's you know that you.

682
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 4: Know that classic that old chest that you wear black

683
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 4: on the outside because that's how you feel on the inside.

684
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: So it's just me just cliche in all over town.

685
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, I really and I it's also it's inexplicable

686
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 4: as a like ten year old black kid in the

687
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: middle of the country, like in the middle of a

688
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 4: very country town, how that came to be like my

689
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: defining musical love at a very young age that I

690
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 4: am telling you I went to concerts.

691
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 3: I know it's different now.

692
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 4: I know that afropunk exists and there's like a whole

693
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 4: wide world.

694
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: Of people to access.

695
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 4: But when I was a kid up until i'd say

696
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 4: my mid twenties, I was the only black person I

697
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 4: ever saw at a metal show.

698
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only one. Yeah.

699
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: I haven't been too many metal shows because, as I

700
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: will reveal, I was basically really kind of into the

701
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: like I was into the hair bands, and then I

702
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: kind of stopped.

703
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: I did not follow that.

704
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: Passion at all as it got more into like thrash

705
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: and like and then black metal and stuff.

706
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: I was not.

707
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: I'm very uneducated about any other type of metal except

708
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: for hairbands of the eighties.

709
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: I know a little bit about that, But you.

710
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: Know, I there's something though to that scene in particular

711
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: that is basically of its own time and place and

712
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: would be very hard to replicate. I think they've tried

713
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: a few times, Like there seemed to have been, especially

714
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: in the late nineties and maybe early two thousands, there

715
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: was this kind of like weird resurgence of metal of

716
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: like hair band metal, and I think it was like

717
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 2: a nostalgia because I remember it's like mullet appreciation started

718
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: coming back into the culture, and like you know, there

719
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: was a lot of like heavy metal parody stuff going on,

720
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: and I think it was just kind of a cyclical thing,

721
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: but it was never like that, like the way that

722
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: it was where it was like everybody was doing it

723
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: in earnest.

724
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 4: Well, if you want, if an alien dropped to Earth

725
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 4: and was like, tell me about a particular time capsule

726
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: moment in your life, and how do I learn about it,

727
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 4: it would be eighties metal and I would give them

728
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: the dirt by Motley Crue to read.

729
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, one hundred percent. Like I had different eras

730
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: of my childhood, but the hair metal one was a

731
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 2: big one, Like I to sickly remember in seventh grade.

732
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: That was my big hair metal year was seventh grade.

733
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: So but I love that we share that though, because

734
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if a lot of younger people necessarily

735
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: know about this era, and so that's why it's kind

736
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: of like, you know, it was kind of fun for

737
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: us to talk about it. I hope it doesn't alienate

738
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: too many people because it's crazy, but.

739
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 4: It's a wild time and I'm glad that we have

740
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: these movies that we picked to talk about it. I

741
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 4: think your movie is very directly about the scene and

742
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 4: this time and this moment, and I think I think

743
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 4: the reason I picked the movie that I picked is

744
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: because it's kind of about the dark underbelly of like

745
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 4: who are these metal heads in real life? Like when

746
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 4: they are not at shows? Like this is who these

747
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 4: dudes become or have been the whole time.

748
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: So I'm excited.

749
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's interesting that they're both documentaries. I will

750
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: say that, Yeah, I don't think have we done documentaries yet?

751
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I do think we've done one yet.

752
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: This might be our first all documentary episode. So I'm excited.

753
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: Well, why don't you start by telling us about your movie?

754
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: So my movie for the theme of Headbagger's Ball is

755
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: a documentary that was made in nineteen eighty eight. It

756
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: was directed by Penelope Spheris and it is called The

757
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: Decline of Western Civilization, Part two, The Medal Years.

758
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 5: What if you don't make it as a rock star? Oh?

759
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 6: I will?

760
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 5: But what if you don't in ten years, what are

761
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 5: you going to be doing? See?

762
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: I will though, see you?

763
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 5: What if you don't make it?

764
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: But I will?

765
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 5: I will make it for sure. I'm not going to

766
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 5: quite until I do.

767
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: The main key is perseverance, and I will persevere.

768
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 3: That question is on in my mind.

769
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 5: The minute you doubt is the minute you lose it.

770
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to start off with giving you like the

771
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: info that you need, and then we're going to get

772
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: into this movie. Okay, So this is the second film

773
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: that was made in this legendary documentary trilogy. I would

774
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: say that Penelope Spirris made that started in the early

775
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties and it was called The Decline of Western Civilization.

776
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 3: So these documentaries kind.

777
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: Of gave an overview of life in LA I guess

778
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: in the eighties and nineties, as it was related to

779
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: like music, so punk rock, rock and roll, and just

780
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: kind of like focus on those kind of music related

781
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: subcultures within Los Angeles, right, And the first one came

782
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: out in nineteen eighty one, and it was, you know,

783
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: about bands like X and the Germs and Black Flag

784
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: and that kind of punk subculture in LA at the time.

785
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 1: Which actually hadn't really been shown before in this way.

786
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: So it was kind of.

787
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: Revolutionary and then declined too.

788
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: Obviously, what we're about to talk about, we'll get into

789
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: that in just a second, but then Declined three came

790
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: out in the late nineties, in nineteen ninety eight and

791
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: focused on you know, unhoused gutter punks that were living

792
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles and up until I would say the

793
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: last five or six years, I mean it was fairly recent.

794
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: They were notoriously hard to find, like I would say

795
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: that they were true underground films. Like I remember the

796
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: first time I saw the first Decline movie. It was

797
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: basically from like a third or fourth generation bootleg VHS

798
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: tape that was like at my friend's boyfriend's house, and

799
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: it was just like this thing that it's like, oh,

800
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: we had a copy of The Decline of Western Civilization.

801
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: This is a big deal, right, And they were released

802
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: on Blu Ray, like only about five or six years ago,

803
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: like I said it, and they were out of circulation

804
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: for a really long time. And Penelope actually did a

805
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: little tour when she when they came out, and she

806
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: presented the movies in various cities. And that's how I

807
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 2: actually met her, when she came to presented Emory in Atlanta,

808
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 2: and she actually came to TCM and everything.

809
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: It was awesome.

810
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: But she she's had such an interesting life and career,

811
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: Like her family history is super interesting, and I just

812
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: encourage everybody who's listening to, like, you know, either watch

813
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: videos of her talk or like read about her. She

814
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: basically got started in filmmaking by making these short films

815
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: with Albert Brooks for.

816
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: The first season of Saturday Night Live.

817
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: And you know, she made the first Decline documentary shortly

818
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: after that, and basically right after, like a few years after,

819
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: she made what well what my friends and I used

820
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: to call the Original Suburbia, which was a narrative film

821
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: about punks in la And you know, because there was

822
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: a Suburbia that came out in the nineties that I

823
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: think people would.

824
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: Get those confused and I'm like, no, it's the original Suburbia, man.

825
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: And then eventually she had a big Hollywood career in

826
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: the nineties.

827
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, she directed Wayne's World, which.

828
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: Was huge, and she did a lot of kind of

829
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: those big comedies that were kind of like S and

830
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 2: L adjacent, like she did Black Sheep with David Spade

831
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: and Chris Farley, and then she directed the film versions

832
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: of like The Little Rascals and The Beverly Hillbillies. And

833
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: I mean she was a writer on Roseanne at one point.

834
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: I mean, she just has had such an interesting career,

835
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: and I mean I didn't hang out with her too

836
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: too much when she was in Atlanta, but from our

837
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: interaction she's a super cool lady. I mean, she has

838
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: this great look and she's got this kind of great,

839
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: like no bullshit vibe about her, Like she kind of

840
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: reminds me of this like cool, tough punk rock mom.

841
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: Huge fan of that. All Right, So now that I've

842
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: sung the praises of Penelope, let's get into this Decline film.

843
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: So quite honestly, like I could talk about this movie all.

844
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: Day and night.

845
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: For so many reasons. It is such a rich text,

846
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: that's all I have to say. So I presented this

847
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: movie for some students at UCLA last summer.

848
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: We were still under quarantine, so it was like a

849
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: zoom class.

850
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: And if somehow we were in that class in our listening,

851
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: I apologize because I'm about to repeat myself, which is

852
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: that to me, the decline of Western civilization to the

853
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 2: Middle Years, it feels like we've just found hard evidence

854
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 2: of this ancient race of people that no longer exist,

855
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: possibly from another dimension.

856
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 4: I do wonder like I have been watching this again

857
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 4: this time wondered did any were there any parents that

858
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 4: came out of the scene, like people who met at

859
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 4: Gazaris who were like, you know, having kids. I just

860
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: don't know where they went. I don't know where they went.

861
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: Hard to say, you know, like I feel like, do

862
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: you remember that movie The Wrestler with Mickey Roh. Yeah,

863
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: it feels like those are the logical Like that movie

864
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: somehow gave us the after of all those people living

865
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: in that scene, and I was like, Okay, I know

866
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 2: this is a fiction film, but now I understand because

867
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: I I honestly am like I hope they are all alive.

868
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: I really do. But also like, wow, can't you imagine

869
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: having been in this documentary at all?

870
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: I know, I know, like what, how how do you

871
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: even explain? What do you explain? I'll let you get

872
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 4: into it, but wow, well.

873
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's basically like a Mondo movie to

874
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 2: me at this point, It's like Faces of Death.

875
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 6: It.

876
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: So this documentary, if if you haven't seen it, focuses

877
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: on like a handful of these LA based hard rock

878
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: and glam metal bands who are in various states of

879
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: professional success. So like you have bands like Poison and

880
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: Faster Pusycat, who are in this documentary and they were

881
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: super famous in this era.

882
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: And then you have the smaller bands like Seduce.

883
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: And Odin bands like that, who were in LA and

884
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: kind of working towards that goal, like they wanted to

885
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: be famous and successful. And then you intercut these stories

886
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: with interviews with very very famous musicians like Ozzy Osbourne

887
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: and Alice Cooper, Steven Tyler and Joe Perry from Aerosmith,

888
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: and Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley from Kiss and Lemmy

889
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: from Oterhead, and they're kind of seen at this point

890
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: in the documentary as the elder.

891
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 3: Statesman of this scene.

892
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: And then of course you have like interviews with fans

893
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: and club owners and concert promoters and other and people

894
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: who are just sort of living through this glam metal scene.

895
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: In LA and in general.

896
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: There's just so much bravado and outrageousness, and everybody in

897
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: this documentary is just like young, and a lot of

898
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: them are drunk and high and they're barely clothed, and

899
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: it's like hyper male, hyper straight. Besides the fact that

900
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: there's actually kind of interesting things going on with.

901
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: Gender in this scene.

902
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is I don't even think they

903
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: even really know that beyond the idea that they're just

904
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: copying kind of like the New York Dolls or Mark

905
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: Bowlen and whoever. And I'm actually sure people didn't even

906
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: know them right.

907
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: Like it was.

908
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 4: I don't think it was intentional at all, because it's

909
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 4: such It was such a misogynistic scene and the way

910
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 4: that they talk in the movie even replicates that misogyny.

911
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

912
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: I mean, there's like a big question in the movie

913
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: about men wearing makeup, and there's no answers, like nobody

914
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: can kind of explain what they're doing other than they

915
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: just feel like, oh, it's because of David Johansson from

916
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: the New York Dolls or whatever I think Bret Michael

917
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: says it. But it's like they're not even kind of

918
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 2: conscious of what this is, like what they're representing. It's

919
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: very interesting and there were there's also women in this

920
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: documentary and you know, not all of them are in

921
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: that groupie girlfriend role, and a lot of them are musicians,

922
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: like the woman from Vixen is in this documentary, and

923
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: you know, they have their own agency in point of view,

924
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: which I love. I love that that's a part of

925
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: this documentary. But you know, there's a lot of MACHIESE

926
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: mo and just like bad behavior and like the Bill

927
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: Gazari contest, which is a lot like I mean, even

928
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: to this day, I was like, damn, that is fucking crazy.

929
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: But I think that Penelope as a filmmaker, I think

930
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: that she's she's in this documentary. She's you can tell

931
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: she's in it, right. She goes into it and tries

932
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: to diffuse this a little bit, which is deeply fascinating

933
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: to me. I think that's like one of the most

934
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: fascinating parts of this documentary because when it comes down

935
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: to it, like there's a lot of people like Dave

936
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: Mustaine I think talked about it. There's other like you know,

937
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: metal historians throughout the years that believe that this documentary

938
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: basically killed the hair metal scene because a lot of

939
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: people in this documentary came off looking like fucking idiots,

940
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: right yeah, And Penelope is in this documentary asking questions

941
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: of them and like taking in the task for a

942
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: lot of the spectacle that right that they're presenting. And

943
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: there's this scene, there's a famous scene with Chris Holmes

944
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 2: from Wasp and his mom Aga by the pool.

945
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 4: This man is in a pool, drunk off his ass,

946
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 4: talking about orgies, and then his mom is just like

947
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 4: right there.

948
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like pouring bottles of vodka on himself.

949
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like he's like sitting on a float

950
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: and he's just sort of like his mom is just

951
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: kind of sitting in a chair by the pool, and

952
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 2: she's like, I don't even know what the actual like

953
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: her what she was thinking.

954
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: I would have loved to know what she was thinking.

955
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: But Penelope, you know, she's the director, and she's like

956
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: calling him by his name, asking him why he's drinking,

957
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 2: if he's hiding pain, like he's you know, she's kind

958
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: of calling him out a little bit. And there is

959
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: the part where he starts like chugging vodka and it's

960
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: just sort of like very unsettling.

961
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: But you can tell that she's in it.

962
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: And because of that, like there's some kind of moral metronome,

963
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean, Like there's somebody at

964
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: least saying like, all right, this is maybe not the

965
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: way you're supposed to live your life, right, Because there's

966
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: also this really incredible sequence in this documentary where Penelope's

967
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: asking the people the simple question of.

968
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 5: What if you don't make it as a rock star, because.

969
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: Everybody of course has these like rockstar aspirations. Everybody wants

970
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: to be like Gene Simmons, right, and everyone is simply

971
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: astounded by this question, like they're basically like, uh, I'm

972
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: gonna make it?

973
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?

974
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 4: Literally not there's not a single person that doesn't think

975
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 4: they're gonna make it. And there's so many people in

976
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 4: that documentary that I've never heard of because they didn't

977
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 4: make it.

978
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: Right, right exactly, Like we know now that a lot

979
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: of these people actually.

980
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 3: Didn't make it.

981
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: But the idea that she just kind of put this

982
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: question in their mind like what's your plan B, She

983
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: kind of forces them to sort of examine themselves.

984
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: And to me, that's very interesting.

985
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: That's a very interesting technique, and it does she is

986
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: asking the question that we're all asking in our heads, right,

987
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: like we're not just thinking it, Like she's doing the

988
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: work for us, which I think is like, as a documentary,

989
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 2: that's a very interesting technique to use.

990
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you can't help but wonder like how long

991
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 4: can this last? This is all very like the folly

992
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 4: of youth, right, And then you know the people who

993
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 4: have made it, like Ozzy and Lemmy and you know,

994
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 4: and Motorhead and like all these people who have made it.

995
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 4: In the eyes of these hair bands who want to

996
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 4: make it, they had a whole different set of responsibilities,

997
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 4: and they came from different situation, likes a different situation,

998
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 4: and you know, they didn't have a model, so they

999
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 4: didn't play music like this because they thought this is

1000
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 4: I'm going to be rich and famous. They played while

1001
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 4: they were working jobs at factories and shit. And then

1002
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 4: you have this group of people who are like, I've

1003
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 4: never had a job, and this is all I want

1004
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 4: to do and all I'm ever.

1005
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 3: Going to do, and I'm definitely going to be famous.

1006
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 4: And I have to say, like, it reminds me a

1007
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 4: lot of when I watched it this time, I was

1008
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 4: thinking a lot about kind of modern day fame, because

1009
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 4: that's the same thing that you hear, that same kind

1010
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 4: of ethos that so many people have right now, which

1011
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 4: is like, there's no way I'm not going to make

1012
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 4: it and I'm going to be famous at any cost,

1013
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 4: or like, you know, I'm going to get famous doing

1014
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: what I want to do, and that's just it. And

1015
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: it was very interesting and she she is a great filmmaker,

1016
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 4: and I think that this the reason that part of

1017
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 4: the reason that these documentaries have survived is that and

1018
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 4: gone from a place of you know, obscurity where you

1019
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 4: couldn't find them to having a blu ray release is

1020
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: that she really she has a strong voice, and she

1021
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 4: has a great sense of humor. There's this one scene

1022
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 4: where somebody talked about I think it was a faster

1023
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 4: Pussycat singer who she asked, why do you have all

1024
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 4: those scarves on your mic stand? And he said it's

1025
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 4: because it looks cool, and then they cut to Stephen

1026
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 4: Tyler and he's like, yeah, he deserve a royalty for that,

1027
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 4: because I started that. And then they go back to

1028
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 4: this guy and she's like, well, why do you have

1029
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 4: him on there? He's like, well, I blow my nose

1030
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 4: on them. And then she cuts to like a crowd

1031
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 4: scene where this woman is like draping herself in the

1032
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 4: mic stands, not scarves, Like that's a great sense of humor, yeah,

1033
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 4: And that's I.

1034
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: Think ultimately what she brings to the documentary is the

1035
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: sense of humor.

1036
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: Because part of me is like, you know, it doesn't

1037
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: surprise me that this essentially killed hair Metal because somebody is.

1038
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: In there saying like this is outrageous.

1039
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: Like if it was gonna be just like a really true,

1040
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: like direct cinema document I think it would be hard

1041
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: to watch, Like it becomes less entertaining if like nobody

1042
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: is sort of like again, sort of being this metronome

1043
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: throughout the documentary that's like pulling these people out of

1044
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: these like rock and roll fantasies that they're in to

1045
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: just answer simple questions about life. And they're like, oh,

1046
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: I've never had a job, and I have nowhere to live,

1047
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: and my band isn't making any money. Like the fact

1048
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: that she's in there just going by the way is

1049
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: deeply fascinating.

1050
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: Again, I just think it's really interesting.

1051
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 4: I also, well, I think that that's part of what

1052
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 4: she brings to the table as well, is that that

1053
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 4: like you're referring to as a metronome, which I like,

1054
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 4: But she is mirroring what I think a lot of

1055
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 4: people at the time were asking, which is like, how

1056
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 4: do you sustain a life like this? How does your

1057
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 4: body sustain all the drugs and alcohol you're putting into it?

1058
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 4: How do you live day to day?

1059
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 3: Like what do you eat?

1060
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 4: What do you do, like, how do you how are

1061
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 4: you a person in the world if this is your

1062
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 4: only goal? Is like this destructive mayhem of a scene.

1063
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 4: And it was so nothing drove that point home harder

1064
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 4: to me than when she asked She was asking them

1065
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 4: how they consider girls. And you know, because so many

1066
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 4: of these these folks in the UH documentary or like,

1067
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 4: we do it for the ladies and we like to

1068
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 4: fuck and blah blah blah, and it's all about sex

1069
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 4: and relationships. So she was asking them about that, and

1070
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 4: it was so interesting to me because none of these

1071
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 4: men think of themselves as sex workers, but they were

1072
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 4: all The next sentence out of their mouth would always be,

1073
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 4: but I did have sex with somebody for a sandwich

1074
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 4: or something like that.

1075
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 3: I have sex for groceries.

1076
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 4: And I'm like, you know, like like women can't come

1077
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 4: to the house unless they're carrying a bag of groceries,

1078
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 4: and you know, they'll just take and take and take

1079
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 4: from women and the way that they see themselves. She

1080
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 4: she just put that in my head, basically, And I

1081
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 4: think that's the beauty of her directing and her being

1082
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 4: at the helm of this is that she was already

1083
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 4: answering questions that I hadn't even thought.

1084
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 3: Of yet, Yeah, exactly.

1085
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 2: And I think it is like a part to me,

1086
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: it seems, just based on the short interactions that I've

1087
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: had with her, is just like it's a part of

1088
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: her personality sort of care a little bit really, And

1089
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: you know, it's no surprise that she sort of has

1090
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: done documentaries about young people that are involved with music,

1091
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: and you know, she kind of, to me seems like

1092
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: a person that would kind of be the mother of

1093
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: them in a weird way. And so in this way,

1094
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: she's kind of asking those questions because she's kind of

1095
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 2: like it's a concern of mine as a human being,

1096
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 2: you know, to like ask you about, you know, what

1097
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: you're planning on.

1098
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 3: Doing with your life.

1099
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: But here's the other thing that's so interesting too, because

1100
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: there's this other.

1101
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: Technique that she uses in this documentary.

1102
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: Where she essentially is filming the two guys from Kiss,

1103
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: so Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley, and these very stagy

1104
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: setups where Gene Simmons is kind of like hang out

1105
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: in front of this like trashy lingerie store on like

1106
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: Hollywood Boulevard or something, and Paul Stanley is in bed

1107
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: with like three women and they're all wearing like skimpy

1108
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: lingerie and they're just sort of like hugged up on him.

1109
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: They're like staring at him as he's talking and petting him,

1110
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: and it's just fucking outrageous.

1111
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: It's just like, to me, it's.

1112
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: Just really that interview particularly, really underscores the kind of

1113
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: absurdity of what these people were doing at this time,

1114
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: and it's just the pageantry of it, right right, And

1115
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: I'm not actually certain of this, but it feels like

1116
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: the Kiss guys like thought that this was so badass

1117
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: of them to have been, like, you know, I'm interviewing

1118
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: in bed with like a bunch of hot ladies who

1119
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 2: are like worshiping me.

1120
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 4: Well, they thought they were being subversive, but they were

1121
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 4: just being again, Like, I think that misogyny is part

1122
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 4: of what killed hair metal in a way, because it's like,

1123
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 4: if this is your ideal, this is what you're aspiring

1124
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 4: to with your music, is to live this lifestyle, it

1125
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 4: just looks sad and disgusting and like degrading to women.

1126
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And just the pomp and circumstance of it

1127
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 2: I think just got too much. Because you see this

1128
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: thing where you're like, oh my god, there's like the

1129
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: guys from Kiss and they just look like they're in

1130
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: you know, a soft lit porno, like right before the

1131
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 2: sex happens, and you're just so of like, how am

1132
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: I supposed to take any of these people seriously?

1133
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just like, this is totally absurd.

1134
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: And that's the thing I think, like hair Metal, it

1135
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 2: was sort of always teetering on this like are these

1136
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 2: people in on a joke or not? Right? But honestly,

1137
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: like the documentary just made them look like a bunch

1138
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: of assholes, right, Like no one knows if they were

1139
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: in on the joke or if they were performing, but

1140
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: it was that thing where like, straight up, if it

1141
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: was a document of that scene, like they looked like

1142
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 2: fucking idiots.

1143
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: Right.

1144
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 4: Well that's a good question though, Like I didn't do

1145
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 4: you think they were performing or do you think it

1146
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 4: was just like they cause I think they made themselves

1147
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 4: look like assholes, Like I don't think she set out

1148
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 4: to make them look like dicks exactly, but she just

1149
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 4: filmed them being who they were, And so I wonder

1150
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 4: if there's any animosity towards her about it, that should

1151
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 4: really just be turned back on themselves. You know. I

1152
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 4: just I don't know what the fallout of this movie

1153
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 4: was or what the reception of this movie was in

1154
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 4: the scene, but I do think that she absolutely succeeded

1155
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 4: in showing the he's like braddy shitty men for who

1156
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 4: they were, and that is a triumph.

1157
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, but also at the same time,

1158
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: like she's showing the bad behavior and calling a little

1159
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 2: bit of it out, but she's also like she understands

1160
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: that it is a pageant, Like she understands that it's

1161
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: a circus, at least in my opinion, because there are

1162
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: moments where she's basically like, you know, like there's that

1163
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: whole thing that happens with Ozzy Osbourne where he's in

1164
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 2: the kitchen and he's preparing breakfast and he starts talking

1165
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 2: about drug use, and then there's a scene of him

1166
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: like pouring the orange juice and he spills it and

1167
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: apparently that was stage like that actually didn't happen. So

1168
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: there is a moment where I'm like, I think she

1169
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: definitely understands the like there is some kind of pageant

1170
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: to this scene, and she gets that that's a pageant,

1171
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: and that's kind of a funny joke, right, But for

1172
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: the most part, these guys do make themselves look like assholes.

1173
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is that I really think it's

1174
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: telling that the interview with Dave Mustaine.

1175
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: Of Megadeth is at the end.

1176
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel.

1177
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: Like maybe it's this like symbolic end of the glam era,

1178
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: Like you can certainly sense that Dave Mistain is not

1179
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: what Poison is about, you know what I mean, Like

1180
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: he's like, this ain't me. And I think that's very

1181
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: interesting that it comes at the end.

1182
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 4: It draws a very interesting line under that whole decade

1183
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 4: of music because then you know, grunge wash grunge was

1184
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 4: hot on the heels of heavy metal. This came out

1185
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 4: in eighty eight, so like within four years Nirvana was

1186
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 4: going to be huge.

1187
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1188
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, Like I think that it's it's It is

1189
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 4: a very interesting line to draw under that that documentary

1190
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 4: to end with this guy who's like the most I

1191
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 4: don't want to say real, but like to end with

1192
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 4: this guy that's just like I'm not having any of that.

1193
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 3: We're here for the music. I'm Dave Mustain.

1194
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 4: I like to drink beer, shound to a microphone and

1195
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 4: I love my parents and that's all I'm here for.

1196
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: Aha, Right, It's like, yeah, it's less flash, it's more

1197
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: just like the pure energy.

1198
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: And honestly, like for me, I mean as much as

1199
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: we can.

1200
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 2: Sit here and critically deconstruct like the scene in the

1201
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: in the documentary and the function of the documentary, it

1202
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: is nostalgia for me and for you, I'm sure because

1203
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 2: it was that that high era of hair metal, and

1204
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: there is like I mean, I'm never gonna not love

1205
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: seeing like big bangs and you know kind of and

1206
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: and I say that this is a record of people

1207
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: that don't exist anymore. But I gotta be honest, there's

1208
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: definitely some stragglers. Like I went to the Rainbow in

1209
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: La like pretty much like a month before the pandemic.

1210
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 2: I went there with some friends, one of my friends

1211
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: from out of town who's a big metal head. He

1212
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 2: was dying to go. And there are people who are

1213
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 2: still living that lifestyle. Like just go to the Rainbow

1214
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: on the Sunset Strip and you will see all these

1215
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: people who are still living that life.

1216
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: So it endures in some way.

1217
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, that is wild.

1218
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is definitely a nostalgia movie for me, and

1219
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, I don't need to, Like

1220
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 4: you said, we could deconstruct this all day long. I'm

1221
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 4: constantly in a battle with you know, my feminism and

1222
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 4: my music choices. And it's fine, Yeah, I get through.

1223
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 4: But I think that this is just such a moment

1224
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 4: that explains so to me. It explains so much about

1225
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 4: why I am the way I am. And it's nice

1226
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 4: to have a document that's like, here it is, guys,

1227
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 4: this is this is where it started.

1228
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 3: Ah, here it is.

1229
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that that does that for you.

1230
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 4: It's so fun and we're not look again, we might

1231
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 4: have to do it like an extended episode of the

1232
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 4: Decline of Western Civilization too, because we haven't even talked

1233
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 4: about de meddling.

1234
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: Oh I know.

1235
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 2: I was like the choice to like bring in the

1236
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: lady cop that like try to give us the like

1237
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: information about the devil Horns of the six the three Sixes.

1238
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 3: I was like, what, it's all the sixes. You can

1239
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 3: see them right here. I was like, I actually don't

1240
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 3: see that, but thank you.

1241
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 4: That just that there was a program that existed to

1242
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 4: get the treating heavy metal like a cult that you

1243
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 4: had to get your kids out of just blew my mind.

1244
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 4: But again, like the Satanic Panic, like that extension of

1245
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 4: it was just this is an extension of it, and

1246
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 4: it just was very funny to see.

1247
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this. I'm glad you picked this movie.

1248
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 3: Oh thanks, I'm glad that you loved it too.

1249
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 4: Going back to my roots. Yeah, well, it's like you said,

1250
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 4: it's a it's a document. It's a living document of

1251
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 4: a time that doesn't exist anymore.

1252
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1253
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to talk about it. I I want

1254
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 2: to hear everything you have to say about it, because honestly,

1255
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: oh my god.

1256
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 4: All right, So my choice for head Banger's Ball is

1257
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 4: a documentary that came out in nineteen ninety nine, directed

1258
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 4: by Chris Smith, and it's called American movie.

1259
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 6: I'm broke man, I got to get cats tomorrow, and

1260
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 6: dude's talking about making a feature film.

1261
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 3: The name of film is Covin.

1262
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 5: Covin.

1263
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 3: That's the proper pronunciation of Covin.

1264
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 5: Sounds like oven man, and that's just it doesn't work.

1265
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 4: Oh boy, all right, look a synopsis of this film,

1266
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 4: because we're just gonna have to start there and go

1267
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 4: and go from from we need a foundational point.

1268
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 3: So I give this synopsis. I understand.

1269
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 4: This film is about the director following a man named

1270
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 4: Mark Borchardt who's a Milwaukee based working class guy. We

1271
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 4: follow this guy for three years as he struggles to

1272
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 4: finish his independent film Northwestern by struggling to finish his

1273
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 4: independent horror film Coven. But at its core, this to

1274
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 4: me in this recent viewing is a film about elder Abese.

1275
01:02:55,120 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 4: So Chris Chris Smith actually met Mark Brush while he

1276
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 4: was editing his student film at University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee,

1277
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 4: and he had a film called American Job that was

1278
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 4: part of his i think his thesis, and so that's

1279
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 4: how he met Mark and decided to follow him as

1280
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 4: a subject. And Chris Smith, by the way, has gone

1281
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 4: on to he wrote and direct the Fire Festival documentary

1282
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 4: on Netflix. Oh yeah, and he also worked on i

1283
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 4: think directed all eight episodes of the Disappearance of Madeline Macon.

1284
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 4: So he's still still doing his thing, as is Mark,

1285
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 4: which we will get into. So who is Mark Burchard?

1286
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 4: Why did they follow this guy around? Mark is a

1287
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 4: man in his thirties who delivers newspapers from his car.

1288
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 4: He has a girlfriend named Joan, but he also has

1289
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 4: three kids with a woman named Alyssa, and it's unclear

1290
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 4: about if their relationship is still going or not. He

1291
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 4: has recently shown his three children, all of whom are

1292
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 4: under the age of ten. It looks like Apocalypse now

1293
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 4: to the point where the kid can quote from the film,

1294
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 4: where one of the youngest children can quote for the

1295
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 4: film the horror is the horror.

1296
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah.

1297
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 4: There's also a scene where he's hanging out with his

1298
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 4: daughter and they're just kind of laying on the floor

1299
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 4: and she has a purple headband around her face and

1300
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 4: she I didn't nowhere just goes shit. Man, all I

1301
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 4: can see is purple. And he's like, did you just

1302
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 4: say shit? And she's like nope. And he's like, I'm

1303
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 4: not mad if you did. And I'm like, you should

1304
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,439
Speaker 4: be mad if she did. Like, who is this dude?

1305
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 4: Is horrible person, horrible dad. He's kind of a functional alcoholic.

1306
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 4: He has a terrible attitude, and he's super selfish, like

1307
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 4: he treats everyone in his life like shit to serve

1308
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 4: his own selfish purposes, which is to make these movies.

1309
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 4: So again, this is a man who has heavy duty responsibilities,

1310
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 4: but his main focus in life is to make these movies.

1311
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 4: And the way he does that is by hiring his friends,

1312
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 4: relying on his mom to be his camera person. Sometimes

1313
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 4: his best friend, who is the best sidekick of all time.

1314
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 4: We're going to get into that. That's when Mike does

1315
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 4: the music. He just takes and takes and takes. He's

1316
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 4: borrowing from credit cards to pay, you know, robbing Peter

1317
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:11,479
Speaker 4: to pay Paul.

1318
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 3: So to speak.

1319
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 4: He's just kind of a mess in this movie, and

1320
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 4: he's so scattered that you genuinely start out. At the

1321
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 4: start of this film, he's talking about this independent movie

1322
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 4: in Northwestern He seems to have a plan, he's got actors, everything,

1323
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 4: and then he just has no money. So he's like, oh,

1324
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 4: this finish this other movie which is called Covin, but

1325
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 4: he pronounces Covin throughout the movie. And it is so great.

1326
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 4: It's like nails on a chalkboard. To me, I figured

1327
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 4: it would.

1328
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: I was like, if anybody is gonna be taking this

1329
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 2: guy to task for the coven Coven.

1330
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 3: Thing, it's Daniel Henderson.

1331
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 4: It's me and Robert Richard George, who's one of the

1332
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 4: actors in his film, and.

1333
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 3: They have all.

1334
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 4: They have a small interview scene and he says Covin

1335
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 4: and Robert Richard George is like Kevin. That's the proper

1336
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 4: pronunciation of Covin sounds like oven man.

1337
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 5: And that's just it doesn't work.

1338
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:07,439
Speaker 4: It's like you can tell that he's just like at

1339
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 4: his wits end with this dude. So yeah, he just

1340
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 4: Mark is not He's not a good dude. He's not

1341
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 4: a good dude. He's the way to encapsulate. This way

1342
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 4: I've been thinking about this is that he's like the

1343
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 4: hyper little kid in your neighborhood who was always describing

1344
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 4: like an epic bike ramp trick that he was going

1345
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 4: to do, and it just got more complicated and more impossible,

1346
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 4: and he just never got out of that energy. Like

1347
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,479
Speaker 4: that is just the energy he carries through life.

1348
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 3: Now. Yeah, it's like childlike delusion, right.

1349
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 4: Completely completely because he started making films. He got a

1350
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 4: super eight camera from you know, some guy down the

1351
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 4: street and started making films when he was younger, which

1352
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 4: is sweet.

1353
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 3: You know, I think that a lot of people get

1354
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 3: their start that way.

1355
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 4: You never know what's going to like, you know, click

1356
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 4: click over the creative juices to your lifelong dreams and

1357
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 4: goals and desires. You never know, so he this is

1358
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 4: his focus. However, based on what his own family says

1359
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 4: about him, his brother at one point says, I always

1360
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 4: thought he would grow up to be a serial killer,

1361
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 4: a stalker, or just plan someone's death. So I feel

1362
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 4: like the emotional component is missing there for him to

1363
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 4: take this passion to the next level. But what do

1364
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 4: you think about? How about his relationship with his family?

1365
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 4: Like watching this film now, as someone who's closer to

1366
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 4: the parents, how did you think of Like what do

1367
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 4: you think about because his family seemed to me to

1368
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 4: both simultaneously pity him and just be absolutely furious with him.

1369
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's the former for sure.

1370
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: Like I think that they've they've made their peace with

1371
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: the fact that he's just gonna be who he is.

1372
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 2: Like I think they're like, well, we got these other sons.

1373
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 3: Ah, Like this guy, you.

1374
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: Know, he's kind of just has like singular thinking, you

1375
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like he's gonna barely get by,

1376
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,439
Speaker 2: but he's going to be really passionate about one fucking thing.

1377
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 2: And you know, I don't even think it's possible for

1378
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: us to kill it, Like we just can't kill it.

1379
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 2: So let's just let him be it, and you know,

1380
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 2: we're going to try to help in the way that

1381
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: we can, but honestly, like we just have to like

1382
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 2: shield ourselves from the rapid fire fucking passion slash, you know, enthusiasm,

1383
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 2: because yes, I don't think that they're I mean, I

1384
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 2: think at one point the dad, I think it's the

1385
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 2: dad who mentions that he just like didn't like school

1386
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 2: and he was sort of like, you know, maybe a

1387
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 2: little bit of a problem child, right, So I feel

1388
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 2: like with that, like you're basically setting a stage for

1389
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 2: this kind of for this kind of scenario where he's

1390
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: going to be like, well, he's probably going to live

1391
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 2: at home or live close to home.

1392
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: He's going to like lean on his parents or his

1393
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: family for money and for things like that. And you

1394
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: know it's.

1395
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 2: Because he's just he believes that he's going to be

1396
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 2: like the next Spielberg or the next George Ramiro or

1397
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: you know, because he's a big horror movie guy. So

1398
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: that's that's kind of my read on the family. But

1399
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 2: now the uncle.

1400
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 4: Though, well, yeah, there's a family member, oh boy who

1401
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 4: has been just suckered in by this dude, And I

1402
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 4: am so confused about what is happening here, We're gonna

1403
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 4: have to talk about Uncle Bill. Now, Uncle Bill is

1404
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 4: eighty two. He is he is Mark's uncle, like he

1405
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 4: is his father's brother. And at one point his father says,

1406
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 4: you know, Bill, I don't know like he used to

1407
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 4: be a scholar or like he hinted at some point

1408
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 4: that he had some kind of like life of the mind.

1409
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,919
Speaker 4: And Bill in the current state when this movie begins,

1410
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 4: is he's living in a trailer. He is kind of

1411
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 4: showing signs to me of he's like he's sunndown, Like

1412
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 4: he's showing signs of dementia for sure. Sure, and Mark

1413
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 4: is just dragging him to a bank to you know,

1414
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 4: sign checks, and it is this is where the elder

1415
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 4: abuws angle to me comes in, because I feel now

1416
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 4: like watching this that I was like, Holy, this man

1417
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 4: has no idea what's happening. He keeps asking questions that

1418
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 4: are not getting answered, and he can't even understand the

1419
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 4: answers when he gets them, and he apparently in one

1420
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 4: interview scene says he has like two hundred and eighty

1421
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 4: thousand dollars in the bank because the director is asked

1422
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 4: flat out like how much money do you have? And

1423
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 4: he's like, uh, about two hundred and eighty thousand dollars,

1424
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 4: And to me, I think, either that's true and this

1425
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 4: man has worked his entire life. He's one of those

1426
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 4: like hard one midwesterners who just saved every penny and

1427
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 4: worked his ass off, or the dementia has hit and

1428
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 4: he has twenty eight dollars in the bank and can't

1429
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 4: tell the difference. Right, It's never exactly clear, but he

1430
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 4: does have money to give to Mark for this movie,

1431
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 4: and he keeps writing checks and he keeps the thing

1432
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 4: that bothered me the most is that Mark keeps calling

1433
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 4: him an executive producer, like you're the executive producer of

1434
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 4: this movie, and I'm like, this man does not know

1435
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 4: what day it is.

1436
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 3: He's not an executive producer.

1437
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 4: Like there is a scene, a Thanksgiving scene where Bill

1438
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 4: comes over. This is so indicative of this whole film

1439
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 4: and every relationship in it.

1440
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 3: When you see this scene, because.

1441
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 4: It's Thanksgiving, both mom and Dad have fucked off to

1442
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 4: have dinner elsewhere, like with his brothers, or like you

1443
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 4: get the feeling that Mark's not invited, like he's not going, Yeah,

1444
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 4: everyone else is fucked off. He's made his own like

1445
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 4: raw looking turkey. He invites his friend Mike over, he

1446
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 4: invites Uncle Bill over, somehow ends up bathing Uncle Bill

1447
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 4: after a hefty amount of peppermint schnops with sprite, which

1448
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 4: is Uncle Bill's drink. Wow, and he it is just

1449
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 4: like he's laughing at him, and he's just kind of

1450
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 4: like you can tell that this is a guy who

1451
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 4: does know what's happening. And Mark just think it's so funny,

1452
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 4: and I'm like, this is not funny, dude, you are

1453
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 4: taking advantage of this guy.

1454
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 2: Well, and it did make me think too, Like on

1455
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: the executive producer tip, like just how many executive producers

1456
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 2: that are listed in films, Just how many of them

1457
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 2: are like fucking reluctant family members with like some lottery

1458
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 2: winnings or like a trust. It's like, you know, to me,

1459
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 2: that to me was the the funny part of calling

1460
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 2: somebody an executive producer.

1461
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: You think about, you know, oh, this is like a

1462
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt or something.

1463
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 2: Pet's an executive producer, your uncle who doesn't want to

1464
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 2: give you the fucking money, but you've worn him down

1465
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,839
Speaker 2: so much that now he just is the executive producer.

1466
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 2: I just wonder if that that cannot be an isolated incident.

1467
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 2: This has to be happening so much in film history, right, Oh.

1468
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 4: I bet it's happening right now for Instagram accounts where

1469
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 4: people are like, if you just buy me four hundred

1470
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 4: dollars ring light, Like, I'm gonna be making these videos

1471
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 4: and you're gonna be the executive producer.

1472
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:07,719
Speaker 3: On my YouTube channel.

1473
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 4: It's so bleak, And I think you're absolutely right, Like

1474
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 4: because that's the other thing that his dad says when

1475
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 4: he's talking about his own brother, where he's like, nobody

1476
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 4: in our family has ever been able to get a

1477
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 4: dime out of that guy, not a single die.

1478
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 3: So for some reason he's into this thing.

1479
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 4: With Mark, and I think it's truly because you can

1480
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 4: tell in the casting scene he basically just brings his

1481
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 4: uncle pictures of women that he's thinking of casting to

1482
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 4: look at, and that seems to be enough for him

1483
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 4: to sign over thousands of dollars.

1484
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got the gift of gab and the gift

1485
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: of persuasion for sure.

1486
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 4: And the gift of annoyance more than like that guy

1487
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 4: asking me for anything three times in a row, I'd

1488
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 4: be like, fine, just taking it out of my face right, Yeah.

1489
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 3: No, it's true.

1490
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, if you really had curtailed

1491
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: this into a different career, you know, you could probably

1492
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 2: have been a successful business manner like a lawyer or

1493
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,759
Speaker 2: some the way that you're able to just like convince

1494
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 2: people to do your bidding. Because that's the other thing too,

1495
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 2: is that there's so many different people in this movie

1496
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 2: where he's proposing these like outrageous scenarios and they just

1497
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 2: go through with it, Like the fucking guy who has

1498
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,759
Speaker 2: to put his head through the safe door.

1499
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 4: Okay, there's a scene where Mark is genuinely grabbing someone

1500
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 4: by the shoulders and shoving his head into the door

1501
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 4: underneath the sink, the kitchen sink, and Ken, who's a

1502
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 4: totally different friend we're going to talk about in a second.

1503
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 4: Ken has scored it. He scored it to make it

1504
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 4: easier to break. He hits this guy's head into the

1505
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 4: door at least ten times before he realizes it is

1506
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 4: too thick to break.

1507
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 3: So then they cut it down.

1508
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 4: They basically have to cut the door in half to

1509
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 4: get it to work. But this is again after they've

1510
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 4: already done this like ten times.

1511
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then in this final scene.

1512
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 2: It's already broken for the most part, and they just

1513
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 2: like put his head through it, I guess as a technicality,

1514
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 2: but exactly, you know, amateur filmmaking man like gotta love

1515
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,480
Speaker 2: it or you're just sort of like fuck it, like let's.

1516
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 3: Just keep going right and that.

1517
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 4: And that's what's interesting to me about it is because

1518
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 4: I think a lot of amateur filmmaking has all of

1519
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 4: these elements to it, like you just do what you

1520
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 4: can to get the shot, and you know, do do

1521
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 4: what you gotta do. But he takes it to such

1522
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 4: an insane level with like the professional equipment and that,

1523
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 4: like he kind of puts the cart way before the

1524
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 4: horse for most of this film, And so it doesn't

1525
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,600
Speaker 4: read so much as amateur filmmaking as it does like

1526
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 4: this grandiosity or this arrogance you know that he has

1527
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 4: because he's not just doing this with like a handheld,

1528
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 4: like a handicam Like he's going out and buying like

1529
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 4: professional equipment.

1530
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 2: Now I hesitate to call amateur filmmaking. I mean it

1531
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 2: is independent filmmaking, for sure, but it's said thing.

1532
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 3: Where like yeah, you're you're absolutely right.

1533
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 2: Amateur filmmaking would be more like I don't actually know

1534
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 2: what I'm doing.

1535
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 3: But it is clear that this guy had.

1536
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: I mean you listen, when I saw the shelf of

1537
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 2: film books that they pan over, I was like, I

1538
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 2: know this guy. I fucking know this guy one hundred

1539
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 2: times over. Like, go into a guy's house and you

1540
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 2: see like screenwriting books, books about making movies, biography is

1541
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 2: of like directors, like all this stuff, and you're like, oh, yeah,

1542
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 2: this is the self taught guy. Like he's got some

1543
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 2: fucking opinions about some shit, and you know, he's making

1544
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 2: his own movies and they're probably horror movies. And he's

1545
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 2: definitely not scoring a fucking door before he puts his

1546
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 2: you know, he's not doing it enough, and then we'll

1547
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 2: destroy it and then you know, put it in the

1548
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 2: final cut. So it's that thing where you're like, yeah,

1549
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily amateur, but it's like it's delusion, right,

1550
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 2: I mean, we are talking delusion, but it's also.

1551
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: Just sort of like the goal, the goal of what.

1552
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 3: He wants is so big.

1553
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 2: It's so big, and the reference points for what he's

1554
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 2: doing are so big that you know, you would you said,

1555
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: he sounds like when you're hearing him talk that he

1556
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 2: is like Cecil bes Mill, Like, you know, like he's

1557
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 2: making this huge epic production, but he's scrapping together three

1558
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 2: thousand dollars from an uncle at the end of the day.

1559
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 2: And there's something to that, there's something interesting to that.

1560
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 4: There is it's a fine line between delusion and I

1561
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 4: don't know how to say, like it's it's a fine

1562
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 4: line between delusion and persistence.

1563
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, it is fu a very fine line.

1564
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 4: But this is also someone who, like he says at

1565
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 4: one point that just with a completely straight face, like, yeah,

1566
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 4: we're gonna do fifty two shots in the next six hours, which,

1567
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 4: as someone who has been on actual professional sets, is insane. Yes,

1568
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 4: it is insane to think you can accomplish.

1569
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,480
Speaker 3: Even half of that in six hours.

1570
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 4: So, like, it's part of that grandiosity, and it's part

1571
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 4: of that delusion where he's just like, like you said,

1572
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 4: he's just so confident in his abilities, which have yet

1573
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 4: to be proven, that he's willing to just make these

1574
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 4: grand claims and do whatever he can to live up

1575
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 4: to them. He doesn't ever dial it back, he doesn't

1576
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 4: ever adjust. It's always this is the goal. The goal

1577
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 4: is absolutely wild, and that is the only goal at

1578
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 4: all like you were never gonna adjust it well.

1579
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 2: And he also does have that like pyramid scheme thinking,

1580
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 2: which is that, oh, in order to do this thing,

1581
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 2: I need to do this thing, sell a certain amount

1582
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 2: of units at this amount, and then that'll fund the

1583
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 2: next thing, which is a tramp. And that to me,

1584
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 2: you know, because there's also that scene where I felt

1585
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 2: this shit. I have to say I felt that shit

1586
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 2: where you mentioned it, where basically he's ripping open his

1587
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 2: mail and he's talking about like all the.

1588
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: Bills that he owes for he owes the irs.

1589
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: But then a humongous smile comes across his face and

1590
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 2: he jumps for joy when he realizes has he got

1591
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:01,600
Speaker 2: like a master card.

1592
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 3: In the mail.

1593
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 2: And I've been there, like I've been in a credit card.

1594
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 2: Who the fuck gave me a credit card? Now I

1595
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 2: can eat for like a couple months, not realizing that

1596
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 2: credit cards is not free money, right exactly.

1597
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1598
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 4: And also, and this is again, this is what's so

1599
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 4: funny to me about that scene, but yet also infuriating,

1600
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 4: because that's the line I walk with this guy throughout

1601
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 4: this documentary and hilarious, infuriating.

1602
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 3: He gets his credit card.

1603
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 4: Not once does he think maybe I'll buy my kids

1604
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 4: some clothes, or like maybe I'll start, you know, paying,

1605
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 4: maybe I'll buy some groceries for my mom whose house

1606
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 4: I'm living it like he never it's always like I

1607
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 4: can now put this into the movie. Yep, he doesn't

1608
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 4: borrow enough money from his uncle to even like fund

1609
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 4: a life. If his uncle has that, if Uncle Bill

1610
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 4: has that much money, how is he not just like,

1611
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 4: can you just straight up give me ten thousand dollars

1612
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,520
Speaker 4: to do this whole movie right now?

1613
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 3: Who is this nickel and dime shit?

1614
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 4: Because it's part of his grandiosity, it is part of

1615
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 4: his thought process that like, if I get this little bit,

1616
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 4: I can turn it into double Like you said, he's.

1617
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 3: Just got He's he's his own pyramid scheme.

1618
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 2: Being your own pyramid scheme is the message.

1619
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 4: And then look we have Mike who's kind of his

1620
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 4: best friend. And Mike is a cautionary tale that is

1621
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 4: walking and sitting right next to him in the living

1622
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 4: room that he can't even see. Mike is so wild.

1623
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 4: I've never seen anyone like this on screen. I haven't

1624
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 4: met people like this in real life. I've grown up

1625
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 4: with some people like this. He is so wild Mike

1626
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 4: is kind of a very gentle, curly haired you know,

1627
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 4: like wears tied kind of like a it might be

1628
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 4: a headbanger, might be, you know, just like you know,

1629
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 4: he loves music like a Zeppelin dude.

1630
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 3: Like he just loves guitar and he's actually kind of.

1631
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 4: A virtue I don't want to say virtuo so, but

1632
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 4: he's actually like a really good guitar play. The problem is, Mike,

1633
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 4: in the retelling of his own story, almost died because

1634
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 4: his friendship with with Mark was solidified through partying and

1635
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 4: he doesn't party anymore. So throughout the movie you see

1636
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 4: Mark just disregarding that, just like, let's go buy some beer.

1637
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 3: Good friend.

1638
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 4: So he's kind of like stuck with in this situation

1639
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 4: that he's created that got kind of a hell of

1640
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 4: his own making. But he's he's kind of brained it.

1641
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 4: Like I think there's something to the amount of partying

1642
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 4: and drugs he did. In his own story, he talks

1643
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 4: about being on the hospital bed waking up and wanting

1644
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 4: to take more acids, so he's like looking through his

1645
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 4: pockets for the acid that was in there while he's

1646
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 4: hooked up in the hospital. All these machines like he

1647
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 4: partied hard and maybe too much.

1648
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're a person who is in the hospital

1649
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 2: and all you can do is think, when can I

1650
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: drop acid in this hospital? You might have a slight problem.

1651
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 3: You gotta call someone. You gotta call someone.

1652
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 4: And he does, to his credit, his AA sponsor, who

1653
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 4: he goes to buy a Scratchers with because scratchers and

1654
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 4: you know, the lottery is his thing now.

1655
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 3: His AA sponsor takes.

1656
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 4: Him to get Scratchers right before they go to the

1657
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 4: Gambler's anonymous meeting.

1658
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 3: So he's got a plan, he's got it worked out.

1659
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: That feels also very pubid schemy.

1660
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 4: Everyone in this movie is their own payramid scheme.

1661
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 3: It is wild.

1662
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 4: And so he's just kind of this silent, this kind

1663
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 4: of silent vessel behind Mark than the whole movie. And

1664
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 4: there's a scene where they're trying to get Uncle Bill.

1665
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 4: He's trying to get Uncle Bill to say a couple

1666
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 4: of lines in a car it is true, Mayhem, it

1667
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 4: is fifty takes. This old man's outside in the cold

1668
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 4: in a car. His dentures are loose and clacking around

1669
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 4: in his mouth, and Mark's just like, we.

1670
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 3: Gotta get it, we gotta get it.

1671
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 4: We gotta get it, and finally this guy finally builds

1672
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 4: like this is for the birds, I'm done. And the

1673
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 4: whole time this is happening, Mike's just in the background chuckling,

1674
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 4: like he's just laughing at the whole scene.

1675
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's just he's seeing.

1676
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 4: Something that I don't know what he's he's seeing from

1677
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 4: his perspective, but he is just a silent vessel that

1678
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 4: is here in this film to showcase just how hyper

1679
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 4: in insane Mark.

1680
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark can get exactly.

1681
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 2: I was thinking that Mike was probably the metronome of

1682
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:41,600
Speaker 2: this film, Like he's basically like he's the ying to

1683
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 2: the yang of Mark, right, because Mark is so high key,

1684
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 2: he's so insane and he's going fucking book that you

1685
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 2: have to have a guy like Mike to balance out

1686
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 2: the energy, right.

1687
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 4: It's so true, Like universally it is true, like you

1688
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 4: have to have that, and he is just I mean,

1689
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 4: this is a pair of friends, and this documentary is

1690
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 4: so worth watching for all of these you know, intricate

1691
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 4: little moments and seeing all these relationships and how everyone

1692
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 4: is kind of beholden too or you know, this is

1693
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 4: where Mark is kind of a master manipulator because everyone

1694
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 4: in his life is beholden to his vision. Yeah, and

1695
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 4: he's getting everyone to kind of do his bidding and

1696
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 4: help him with what he needs and what he wants

1697
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 4: to do to get this movie made. And it's kind of,

1698
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 4: you know's there's a lot of abusive relationships that are

1699
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 4: that are in this film that are being replicated and

1700
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,919
Speaker 4: showcase because this one guy has to make this movie.

1701
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1702
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 2: So who's the Ken guy? He was the guy that

1703
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 2: was in jail, that like went to jail. Did they

1704
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 2: ever talk about why he was in jail?

1705
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: I forgot. I had been a long time since I

1706
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: seen it.

1707
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 4: So Ken is a childhood friend who, according to Mark's mother,

1708
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 4: is a bad influence. And she says she's like, there

1709
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 4: are a bad influence on each other. And halfway through

1710
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 4: the movie, Ken goes to prison. He gets arrested, and

1711
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 4: Mark goes and bails him out. And there's no indication about,

1712
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 4: you know, what this guy does or did, or how

1713
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 4: he's helpful to the film, or if he knows if

1714
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 4: he's doing anything with his life.

1715
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 3: Nothing at all.

1716
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 4: He's just kind of a dude who's around who they've

1717
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 4: known since they grew up together.

1718
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like they mentioned that the detectives were waiting

1719
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 2: for him, and I was like, he must have done

1720
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 2: some shit, Like I don't know what it is. I mean,

1721
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 2: it's kind of fascinating that they don't reveal what it is.

1722
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 2: But honestly, I was like, damn, something went down, and

1723
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 2: you know, I was like, I guess they're not going

1724
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 2: to close up that hole.

1725
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: I guess we're just going.

1726
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 3: To let be left wondering. Maybe legally they couldn't because

1727
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 3: it's probably an ongoing kid.

1728
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 4: And it is.

1729
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:52,879
Speaker 3: It's like there's all these layers.

1730
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 4: That's the other other thing that kind of comes through

1731
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 4: loud and clear is that there are so many layers

1732
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 4: to this because there are people in his life who

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01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 4: are more interesting thing than him that he's not even

1734
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 4: focusing on. Yeah, like I want to know everything about,

1735
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 4: you know, the actors in this movie, Like who's acting

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01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 4: for him?

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01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, definitely the actors.

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01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 2: And I also like the girlfriend is also a very

1739
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 2: interesting character because she seems kind of like a normal person,

1740
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 2: like almost you know, and uh, you know, maybe that's

1741
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 2: it too, is that he's like he is definitely like

1742
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 2: his energy is so kind of almost chaotic that he

1743
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 2: almost has to surround himself and people who aren't the opposite, Yes,

1744
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 2: just docile, and that's and like that's to me what

1745
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 2: the girlfriend seems like too, is that she seems like

1746
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 2: kind of a metronome for him too.

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01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and it is I just feel like this again,

1748
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 4: Like I know I set this up in the beginning,

1749
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 4: but this feels to me like the other the living

1750
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 4: reality of Headbanger's Ball, Like this is this is what

1751
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 4: happens when you're like, I'm definitely gonna make it, nothing

1752
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:57,600
Speaker 4: will stop me.

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01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 3: This is what happened, I know.

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01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 2: And that's I think the kind of funny connection that

1755
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 2: these two films have is that it is we keep

1756
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 2: saying the word delusion, and maybe that is the word

1757
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: to use, but it's basically people who are insanely passionate

1758
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 2: about something and they believe that they will succeed no

1759
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 2: matter what, and nothing everything that happens to them is

1760
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 2: just a temporary setback to the goal of them being

1761
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 2: famous and rich and loved and well known. But then

1762
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 2: you watch them in the moment and it's kind of like,

1763
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: Dude, don't know if what's gonna happen for you?

1765
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 4: There's a moment in this movie where after professing, you know,

1766
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 4: left and right all over the place that he's never

1767
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 4: going to have a job and blah blah blah, and

1768
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 4: he starts working at this cemetery. And there again where

1769
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 4: I think the director has a very good sense of

1770
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 4: humor because he just lets Mark tell these very pointed

1771
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 4: stories and then we'll just cut away. So there's a

1772
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 4: story that he tells about how he has to go

1773
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 4: and like clean up someone's shit in the bathroom at

1774
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 4: the cemetery, and it is so funny. It's funny the

1775
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 4: way he tells it is funny, but it's also very

1776
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 4: revealing because it's just so bleak and looks like he

1777
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 4: realizes how bleak his life is, but it doesn't stop him.

1778
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 4: It's like that perseverance, that delusion that walks the line

1779
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 4: with perseverance. I don't know, it's just it's a very

1780
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 4: funny moment.

1781
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was like a legendary movie when it came

1782
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 2: out for me because I was in film school and

1783
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 2: basically we were like, Okay, uh is this us?

1784
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 3: Are we?

1785
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 5: Are?

1786
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 3: We this guy?

1787
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 1: And he would to be honest with.

1788
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 2: You that sort of like mythic filmmaker story is obviously

1789
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 2: very appealing to people, like it's kind of the story

1790
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 2: of people.

1791
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 1: Like ed Wood and like wrs and Wells.

1792
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 2: And just sort of these like people, these like maniacal

1793
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 2: directors that are sort of just like I'm doing my

1794
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 2: movie and I don't give a fuck who's you know,

1795
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 2: stay out of the way, and you know, I think

1796
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 2: that's a like a myth or a legend that is

1797
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 2: appear link to people in film, like.

1798
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 3: Honestly, right, it's crazy.

1799
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I remember at the time that it came out,

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01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 2: I saw it at the movie theater on campus at

1801
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 2: my at my college, and I was like, oh my god,

1802
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,599
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is who I hang out with,

1803
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 2: If this is me, I'm very confused about who I

1804
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 2: am right now.

1805
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 3: I want to know the numbers.

1806
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 4: I want to look at the books and see, like

1807
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 4: what was the dropout rate after that movie showed on

1808
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 4: your camp?

1809
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 3: How many people just packed it in? Or like I

1810
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 3: am not going to be that.

1811
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, hard to say.

1812
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 2: I certainly didn't quit, so must have must have set

1813
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 2: off something in me. But I yeah, this kind it

1814
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 2: it's so good. It's like as a documentary, it's so

1815
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 2: fascinating and as part of this like theme that we

1816
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 2: have this week, it's it's perfect. It really is the

1817
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 2: like true life. I'm a head banger, right, I'm a

1818
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 2: head banger.

1819
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 3: Get me out of here. Oh this is so much fun.

1820
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 4: True we could talk about this era and this type

1821
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 4: of person forever, but this was so fun.

1822
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 2: We have to do it on a bonus, like I

1823
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 2: feel like that would be the bonus is sort of

1824
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 2: like just memories of hair.

1825
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, Aquinet stories, Aquinet tears.

1826
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also too, I have to say Mark had

1827
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 2: the I just saw a brief glimpse of it.

1828
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 3: Do you remember when people would.

1829
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,599
Speaker 2: Wear those like multi colored belts that were made of

1830
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 2: like hemp or something, and they would like fold it

1831
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 2: over and they would just be like hanging off like

1832
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 2: they folded it over, and it would just be like

1833
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 2: peeking out from like under the shirt, and I would

1834
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 2: be and I remember going, like everybody I know has

1835
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 2: that look, and he has that look, and I.

1836
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 1: Like screamed when I saw it.

1837
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, the fashions in this film are something else, so

1838
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,759
Speaker 4: so so great and also like very.

1839
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: I could not fitigure out what year it was, like

1840
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:01,680
Speaker 1: I had to.

1841
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 2: Keep reminding myself, I'm like, yo, it's like the late nineties,

1842
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 2: it's not nineteen eighty two.

1843
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 3: It brings this.

1844
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,679
Speaker 4: It does bring that kind of like lost in time

1845
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 4: energy to it. Though, Like again, this is such a

1846
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 4: specific kind of moment and person that I also was like, wait,

1847
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,799
Speaker 4: this is I was in high school, Like I graduated

1848
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 4: high school and this game.

1849
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Oh my god, so fun it too.

1850
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 3: This is great.

1851
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, thank you for bringing your film. I could again,

1852
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 4: We'll do a bonus or something. But this was so

1853
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 4: much fun.

1854
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 3: Oh my god, so much fun. We got to talk

1855
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 3: about that the Metallical one video, and.

1856
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a whole other episode, to be honest, that's

1857
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:42,919
Speaker 2: a whole other episode.

1858
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

1859
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 2: Well, let's remind the listeners where they can find us

1860
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 2: on social media.

1861
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 4: You can find us on Twitter and Instagram at I

1862
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 4: Saw pod.

1863
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 2: And if you want to email us, hit us up

1864
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 2: at I Saw we did pod at gmail dot com.

1865
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:02,560
Speaker 6: And yeah, what about the movies for next week? Huh

1866
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 6: oh next week? I can't wait. I can't wait for

1867
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 6: any of the weeks. I love I just we did

1868
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 6: good picking these themes in movies.

1869
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 2: I gotta say, I mean not to to our own horn.

1870
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 2: But we always like doing the episodes. There's never an

1871
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 2: episode where we're like, fuck, we gotta do this episode

1872
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 2: with these fucking movies.

1873
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 1: No, we love it.

1874
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,640
Speaker 4: It's like a little gift from the past, from our

1875
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 4: past selves that we've given to our future selves. And

1876
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,640
Speaker 4: I dig it exactly next week, our movies are do

1877
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:31,759
Speaker 4: your homework, guess the theme. But our movies are Wonder

1878
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 4: Boys released in New Year two thousand and the Ice

1879
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 4: Storm from nineteen ninety seven.

1880
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, guess it if you dare.

1881
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 3: This is a hard one to guess.

1882
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 4: I know that people are gonna try, and they might

1883
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 4: put together an element of it, but maybe try.

1884
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is another one of these like deep within

1885
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,600
Speaker 2: the recesses of our brain, and we just pray that

1886
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 2: it makes sense what it happens.

1887
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 3: Oh, what a sign off. We pray that it makes sense.

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01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:14,719
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening, Bye bye. This has been an exactly

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01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 4: right production. Our producers Alexis Amorssi, our engineers Annalise Nelson.

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01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 4: Our social media manager is Taren Maza. Our theme songs

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01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 4: by Tom bry Fogel, artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive

1892
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,839
Speaker 4: producers are Georgia Hart Stark, Karen Till, Gareth and Daniell Kramer.

1893
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,840
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1894
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:34,639
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1895
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,439
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